Author Topic: Time for an RPS. (Read 6230 times)

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #120 on:** March 15, 2003, 10:23:49 PM »

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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
If you want to play that ridiculous turn til puke game with a bit of challenge, do it in a 190A8.

If you want to do that BnZ, run, cherry pick kind of game, why don't you do it in an FM2? That would be a bit of a challenge.

-- Todd/Leviathn

sax · « **Reply #121 on:** March 15, 2003, 10:46:40 PM »

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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
Lazs, you seem obsessed by planes that can turn like God (even better than any spit) at any speed (FM2). Maximun speed doesnt matter, basically you are looking for the easiest and fastest way to get at the enemy six. If you want to play that ridiculous turn til puke game with a bit of challenge, do it in a 190A8.

Difference is you don't have the speed to leave in an FM2 if the fight goes sour. Meet 2 spits at 4k merge in a FM2 then same in late model plane, chances are probably not in the FM2's favor.

And yea I know there are some of yas out there that could kill 2 spits in a goon with one hand tied behind your back but the average player wiyh patience will do better in the late model versus early model.

akak · « **Reply #122 on:** March 16, 2003, 03:19:48 AM »

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Originally posted by sax
Difference is you don't have the speed to leave in an FM2 if the fight goes sour. Meet 2 spits at 4k merge in a FM2 then same in late model plane, chances are probably not in the FM2's favor.

But that's the whole point of the challenge because who just knows, you might get lucky and win.

Ack-Ack

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #123 on:** March 16, 2003, 05:47:08 AM »

Dead Brain Flying, why should I? Am I asking for RPS just because there are some planes faster than others? Am I asking to have 90% of the players hidden behind a pair of hispanos and living in a perpetual black out turn with no concept at all about what E amagement is? no.

lazs2 · « **Reply #124 on:** March 16, 2003, 08:54:01 AM »

mandoble... both the spit one and spit five will outturn the fm2. You of course wouldn't know that. I rarely get on anyones six.. I can't hit anything that is directly in front of me.

whatsa matter wildthing... the arena too tough for you? have to cherry pick? come down and get me.. I am easy to find... heck... I will probly be busy with someone who likes to fight and you can test my SA.

Beetle makes a good point... i don't see where all that many guys are big LA7 students historicly... In fact I find it hard to believe that, in the MA all these pee 51 pilots are on some kind of history thing. Same for the dee 9... especially the dee 9 since only a dozen probly ever got off the runway.
lazs

-ammo- · « **Reply #125 on:** March 16, 2003, 09:15:53 AM »

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Originally posted by WldThing
Thats your best excuse? Dont want to come in higher then you in the CT or the MA...Dont want to have less fuel than you...Dont want to have less ammo than you. You know all those things that make a person lose a fight..So get some balls and take me to the DA and teach me a lesson.

Lazs, he will just shut his motor on and off while stall fighting you, making you wonder "what the heck is he doing?"

lazs2 · « **Reply #126 on:** March 16, 2003, 09:29:24 AM »

ammo.. the guy is all about unfair advantage... he can't live without it. He might kill me in the arena but he will never fight me. I really don't want to learn the gamey "skilz" required to do duels.. they are pretty useless in the fun arenas anyway.
lazs

NoBaddy · « **Reply #127 on:** March 16, 2003, 09:33:52 AM »

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Originally posted by Rude
I am sick of people runnin away...can't believe I'm saying that, but it sucks to fly around beneath everyone trying to be a good target only to get ignored.

Rood...

Think....NEW deodorant!!

Urchin · « **Reply #128 on:** March 16, 2003, 10:28:50 AM »

Have to disagree with you there Lazs- the whole point of a 'duel' is to minimize 'unfair advantages'. Same plane, same fuel load and ammo load, brings the contest down to two things- merge skill and flying skill. Going to the dueling arena is probably the best way to tell who the better pilot is, in my opinion.

nopoop · « **Reply #129 on:** March 16, 2003, 11:13:21 AM »

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Originally posted by Rude

I am sick of people runnin away...can't believe I'm saying that, but it sucks to fly around beneath everyone trying to be a good target only to get ignored.

A month or so back at the time when the 13th was doing their FM2/Spit V time fighting in the weeds we had a good turnout fighting them in pizza, havin a great time and Drex stopped in for a few.

Being a good target he just kept killin cherry pickers that dropped by over the fight, one after another after another...

He just looks so..vulnerable

I think it's his "regular boys" haircut myself..

He should get some tattoo's, hit the gym and quit shaving..

Hornet · « **Reply #130 on:** March 16, 2003, 12:10:22 PM »

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ammo.. the guy is all about unfair advantage... he can't live without it. He might kill me in the arena but he will never fight me. I really don't want to learn the gamey "skilz" required to do duels.. they are pretty useless in the fun arenas anyway.

lazs, I usually agree with a lot of your stuff but your argument against WT is pretty weak.

You call the alt monkeys timid no skill guys - I agree with that. But now co-alt/co-E 1v1s are for the "timid" too? I like furballs as much as the next guy...but the rare times I get a 1v1 I like em even more.

It's the difference between lobbying HT for gameplay changes that promote good fights and lessen cherry picking versus just lobbying to support your own preferred kill method. You can cherry pick both from alt or in a furball with the same result; hitting guys with SA overload that don't see you coming. Both take about the same level of skill, and involve about the same amount of actual "fighting" imo.

WldThing · « **Reply #131 on:** March 16, 2003, 02:19:07 PM »

Sad Sad Lazs....I pity your poor excuses...Ill be the better guy here and let you think what you wanna think...Just remeber your nothing more than a trash talking dirtbag that thinks he has any "skills"..

And your misconception of a P-51 pilot being a hi alt dweeb is nothing more than a sterotype statement..I have spent more on the Deck in a P51 then you have in your FM2.

beet1e · « **Reply #132 on:** March 16, 2003, 02:41:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Hornet
You call the alt monkeys timid no skill guys - I agree with that.

Are you being too hard on the B&Z guys? Remember there are three distinct forms of fighting - T&B, B&Z, and E-fiting. The 190 and P47, for example, are B&Z planes and therefore rely on altitude to create the Boom, and speed to effect the Zoom afterwards. There's no way that a P47 could engage a N1K in a co-alt turn fight. Does that make the N1K pilot more skilled than his Jug counterpart?

The 190 is a plane suited to vertical manoeuvres: Get directly above your prey, dive, use the excellent roll rate in the vertical plane to determine your direction upon exit from the dive - in the direction of the con - and catch up/blow him away. Again, a 190 would not be best suited for co-alt turnfighting, but I don't think that means its pilot is less skilled than a Spit V or N1K pilot. B&Z is a different type of skill from T&B. You can't compare apples and oranges.

Then we have the 109s. They are not B&Z planes! I have died enough deaths to be able to tell you that!!! 109s are e-fiters. (I had a job to understand that till =bbgn= from WB helped me) If you get them going too fast in a dive, you can't get out of it. Here we have a plane that is great for co-alt engagements and has good e-retention - zoominess. I'm still working on my 109 skills - 18k/1d this TOD. I am mediocre, and struggle with SA on a computer interface, so I have always (since 1998) erred towards B&Z/e-fiting. That 18/1 k/d stems from knowing when to attack and when to steer clear. Also B&Z is much more effective when working as a group than individually.

nopoop · « **Reply #133 on:** March 16, 2003, 04:40:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
Going to the dueling arena is probably the best way to tell who the better pilot is, in my opinion.

Well I agree in some ways and disagree in others..

I've only been off to the DA on a couple of occasions. The first was the 2 on 2 tourny where our opponents were AKNimmitz and AKCurly. Great fights, had a good time.

The second was a drop in and I flew a couple duels in Spit V's.

I love a good one on one fight, always have. Win some, lose some, but all are a good time. I just don't like appointments, I fly when I fly.

I did find that if I was to spend anytime at all in the DA, the addition of a buttoned enemy paddock view is a necessity. Blackout lead turns with the con centered in that little circle of light that's left is a nice little feature that was used in the Spit duels. Would I use it in the arena ?? Prolly, on a rare occasion.

Is dueling the best way to tell who the better pilot is ??

It's one way, probably the only way unless you fly with someone and watch him work.

There is no arena SA required in the DA. While that being good for what you do there, it eliminates quite a large chunk of what makes a good pilot.

The score system is useless in adding any kind of information that has any worth. Beyond who knows how to score.

Everyone knows who the good sticks are out there.

Kinda silly in the end. You'll know one when you come up against one..

I've come across quite a few in my tenure here. Not many I've fought hang in the DA. Don't know why, maybe it's where I fly.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #134 on:** March 16, 2003, 06:16:34 PM »

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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
Dead Brain Flying, why should I? Am I asking for RPS just because there are some planes faster than others? Am I asking to have 90% of the players hidden behind a pair of hispanos and living in a perpetual black out turn with no concept at all about what E amagement is? no.

Just because you have run into limitations in your own flying ability that's no reason to whine and pout about what others are flying and try to limit what they can fly just so MANDOBLE can by happy.

Ack-Ack