Author Topic: Time for an RPS. (Read 6676 times)

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #165 on:** March 18, 2003, 12:33:55 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
mandoble... let's use the 262 as an exagerated example... certainly you should be able to "terrorize" (i think annoy is the more acurate term but let's not quibble over semantics).... you should be able to "terrorize' 5 100 mph slower planes... how much skill does that take???? about zero.. it is a matter of degree... if you are flying a dee 9 in the arena and "terrorizing" 5 earl/early mid war planes.... big whoop.... you should be.. don't expect me to be impressed tho.

Do you really think we are here trying to impress you? LOL. Sorry Lazs, you are the one that, after encountered several times in MA (burning P38/P51), are not going to impress me at all with your early plane sheet retorica.

lazs2 · « **Reply #166 on:** March 18, 2003, 02:17:03 PM »

mandoble... sorry, I didn't understand what you are saying... are you saying that I think you are trying to impress me? I don't think that... I am merely saying that it is not impressive to keep 5 slow planes under you in a plane with a huge advantage.

wildthing... I am sure you have probly killed me (although you do tend to "embelkish")but am equally sure that we have never fought. I can't believe that you are saying that you aren't getting a huge advantage by simply flying a pee 51 in an arena that is mixed and .... are you and mandoble saying that everything is fine as it is? I

It sure does appear that both of you are afraid to lose helpless targets and that self interest is your only motive.
lazs

WldThing · « **Reply #167 on:** March 18, 2003, 02:33:16 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I can't believe that you are saying that you aren't getting a huge advantage by simply flying a pee 51 in an arena that is mixed

LOL your a joke...Where the hell did i say this?

And you dont get any advantages flying an FM2? I dont know how many times im gonna say this and have been a fool to have even had this discussion with you. But grow some balls or put your tail behind the legs and run off like the puss you seem to be.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #168 on:** March 18, 2003, 04:38:47 PM »

lazs2, a 109F 5000 feet over another 109G10 will be clearly faster. A SpitV 5000 feet over a SpitXIV will be clearly faster. A P47D11 5000 feet over a P47D30 will be clearly faster and, of course, a SpitI 5000 feet over a SpitI will be clearly faster. You can't force a CO-E MA even with a RPS.

icemaw · « **Reply #169 on:** March 18, 2003, 05:30:52 PM »

ANY plane can beat any other plane. If you can fly your plane in its envelope better than the enemy can fly his in its envelope. If you move out of your envelope your gonna get killed every time. No rotating plane set will ever change that.

If you have doras and pony flying around at 20k you better not try and take a p40 up there cause your gonna get killed. Take that same p40 fly around at 7k and have them high ones come down to you. Make um miss get them turning and guess what you killed um. If you get a vet in same pony or dora and he wont take his plane out of its envelope you are never going to kill him. At the same time he is not gonna get a chance to shoot you unless you make a mistake.

Blame the plane set from now tell the end of time it will never change the fact that YOU yes YOU are to blame for your death.

So the next time you up your 109e or p40 or f4f etc etc and your chasing a dora around guess what you aint gonna kill him not now not tomarrow not with RPS not with THC not with PVC or even TVP.

So take out some TP and wipe your nose and dry your eyes. The big bad DORA dweeb is just your imagination he cant hurt you if you dont let him.

Of coarse this is just my opinion YOU could be wrong. Then again maybe I am right.

NoBaddy · « **Reply #170 on:** March 18, 2003, 06:10:39 PM »

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Originally posted by akak
Which by the way is really nothing more then a re-write of John Boyd's Aerial Attack Study

Ack-Ack

If I had met John Boyd....I would probably be more impressed.

NB

Steve · « **Reply #171 on:** March 18, 2003, 06:19:34 PM »

heheh icemaw AMEN

akak · « **Reply #172 on:** March 18, 2003, 10:47:41 PM »

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Originally posted by NoBaddy
If I had met John Boyd....I would probably be more impressed.

NB

I don't think John Boyd gets out all that often anymore on the account he's dead and all. But if you're a member of the military or work for the DoD you can request a copy if his book at the Maxwell AFB library.

ack-ack

mia389 · « **Reply #173 on:** March 18, 2003, 11:09:35 PM »

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Originally posted by WldThing
Huh mia?

This was a quote from a person

And i said get a faster plane..Which meant get a faster plane and you wont need to fight them. Read before you post.

Yes that makes sence, and damn wldthing your touchy aint ya!!! If everyone leaves there spits,nikis,hurricanes, everyone will be flying fast planes

SirLoin · « **Reply #174 on:** March 19, 2003, 04:41:09 AM »

Lasz,just curious..How many perk points (Ftr) do you have?

lazs2 · « **Reply #175 on:** March 19, 2003, 09:00:53 AM »

sirloin... 10,000 or so. why?

Icemaw... and mandoble you miss the point entirely. I have no trouble with any plane. I don't ask for any plane to be perked and... simply because I find late war planes that are 50 mph faster than the average to be annoying and unbalancing does not in any way mean that I find them invincible. Annoying means less fun for everyone except those doing the annoying and... I believe if they had any sense they would realize that they are being somewhat unfair about the whole thing and thus... their 'victories' are tainted.

wildthing... face it... you are a wuss... you pick the most untouchable plane so that you can run away. even then... you don't do all that well in the arena. you are either afraid or unskilled so you need the huge advantage... obviously... you feel threated that I might either expose you for the wuss you are or worse... take away your ability to fight lesser planes with the advantage you musrt have to even do as well as you do..

So... come and get me.. I fly AH and can be found there. I'm sure you can maybe beat me at water polo but that wouldn't prove anything.. even when I beat you in the game we play it won't prove that I am right or that you are wrong. What proves I am right are the stats and common sense... If yiou would stop being so selfish for a moment you would see that. If you can't see the inherant advantage in flying a plane with a 50 mph advantage over the average plane then you are every bit as dumb as you appear to be. geeze... a lieing dummy... why do i bother? I'll give you a hint... the guys trying to get "streaks" don't try it in p40's or even fm2's. fm2... you know the fm2... the plane you claim to fly as much as the pee 51?

lazs

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #176 on:** March 19, 2003, 09:33:39 AM »

lazs2, planes that turn on a dime, kills with single hits and never loose E are much more annoying and do not require any kind of skill at all. We have an MA full of them.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #177 on:** March 19, 2003, 09:57:19 AM »

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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
lazs2, planes that turn on a dime, kills with single hits and never loose E are much more annoying and do not require any kind of skill at all. We have an MA full of them.

Wow, I sure wish you'd tell me which planes in AH turn on a dime, kill with single hits, and never lose E. They sound perk worthy, especially that no-E loss thing. Does that mean you can point them straight up like the Me-163 and go to 40k in five minutes?

Mandoble, you yet again undermine any credibility you have by making statements like this. Not only are they inaccurate, but by omission you're suggesting that the plane you fly and the way you fly it are somehow "better" or more skillful. Give it a rest already.

-- Todd/Leviathn

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #178 on:** March 19, 2003, 10:11:37 AM »

DMF, is your reaction indicating you are flying one of these planes?

Rude · « **Reply #179 on:** March 19, 2003, 10:47:38 AM »

Here is my contribution to this discussion....oh boy!

My take is that it's not so much the planes being flown, but rather the pilots who fly them....example.....

Last night the 13th was upping in 51's and grabbing 3-5k....we headed directly to an enemy field which was spawning at a 2-1 advantage in numbers....they came in higher and with E. Now we died every hop, but we killed alot of enemy. It was not the traditional way to fly the mustang, but we had a blast and some great fights.

I think what Lazs is saying is that to him and probably to the majority here, including myself, to spend time grabbing alt to find a fight is boring....to grab 5k just to have late model faster rides play pingpong with you is boring as well....when you do have an enviroment where like-minded pilots fight the same fight, it's alot of fun.

To expect the pilots to all behave in the same manner is unrealistic....to ask for an area where plane type dictates the style of fight is not.

Make any sense?