Author Topic: Time for an RPS. (Read 6234 times)

NoBaddy · « **Reply #135 on:** March 16, 2003, 08:11:12 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Are you being too hard on the B&Z guys? Remember there are three distinct forms of fighting - T&B, B&Z, and E-fiting.

In point of fact...there are only 2. Angles and Energy. B&Z is an Energy tactic. Personally, I perfer the Rope to B&Z.

As a confirmed alt monkey (everyone knows the best 'nanas are at the top of the tree

), I am curious to know how anyone thinks that a RPS would influence game play? Seems to me, just because you put everyone in a Spit1 does not mean that everyone will turn and burn.

I have seen at least one reference to cherry picking. The funny thing about cherry picking is to be successful at it...there has to be guys out there flying like cherries

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nopoop · « **Reply #136 on:** March 16, 2003, 08:38:35 PM »

The RPS sucks plain and simple.

Gee the first week is a wonderful example of diversity. Ya got the Spit 1, the 109E, the Zeke...

By the end of the week we'd get the P40..

Times that by the current census of 500 or so in the Main...

Few would fly the zeke so you end up with 400 Spit 1's and Emils in the Main..

Until everyone figures out which plane was "better"

Than it would be 2 to 1 in favor of "that" plane..

Wow, WHAT FUN !!!

Been there, done that..

I'd quit, flat out quit.

NoBaddy · « **Reply #137 on:** March 16, 2003, 09:19:58 PM »

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Originally posted by nopoop
Few would fly the zeke so you end up with 400 Spit 1's and Emils in the Main..

I can hear 'em yellin now..."PERK THE EMIL".

nopoop · « **Reply #138 on:** March 16, 2003, 09:26:01 PM »

You got it NoBaddy !!

It is UGLY.

Hornet · « **Reply #139 on:** March 16, 2003, 09:29:02 PM »

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The funny thing about cherry picking is to be successful at it...there has to be guys out there flying like cherries .

since when have we ever had a shortage of that?

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #140 on:** March 16, 2003, 09:30:05 PM »

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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
Dead Brain Flying, why should I?

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Why should Lazs turnfight in anything other than an FM2? It was you who suggested he try turnfighting in a plane that doesn't excel at it. So I'm suggesting you try to fly your brand of flying with something that isn't well-suited for it. Why so defensive unless you're a bonafide hypocrite? Nice ad hominem BTW.

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Am I asking for RPS just because there are some planes faster than others? Am I asking to have 90% of the players hidden behind a pair of hispanos and living in a perpetual black out turn with no concept at all about what E amagement is? no.

Frankly, I don't care one way or another about a RPS. There will always be a fastest plane, a best accelerating/climbing plane, a best turning plane, a most lethal plane no matter what the planeset. This has nothing to do with your suggestion that Lazs fly a plane ill-suited to what he enjoys doing, however. Nor does it have anything to do with your refusal to do the same.

-- Todd/Leviathn

nopoop · « **Reply #141 on:** March 16, 2003, 10:16:31 PM »

Half the fun of flyin a turner is killin the E's that blow it.

When that happens, the music plaaaays..

Life simple pleasures..

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #142 on:** March 16, 2003, 10:26:11 PM »

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Originally posted by nopoop
Half the fun of flyin a turner is killin the E's that blow it.

Aye. I feel, at times, that I'm a con man in Aces High. It's all about the BnZers/E-fighters having you right where you want them.

-- Todd/Leviathn

beet1e · « **Reply #143 on:** March 17, 2003, 01:35:53 AM »

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Originally posted by NoBaddy
In point of fact...there are only 2.

I don't agree. B&Z is decidedly different from the 109 type of "E-fiting". Try flying a 109Gx like a 190 or P47, and you're going to come to grief - took me a long time to learn that! T&B is different again (Spit V, N1K etc.) so I maintain that there are three different combat "styles". "Energy" is a more generic reference which effectively combines B&Z and E into the same category. That, I feel, is misleading to say the least.

Other than that, I liked your analysis of cherry picking! In a plane like the 109G10, you've got speed and e-retention, but the elevator is not responsive. Almost all of my kills result from stealth - easier in a gaggle than 1-on-1. But it can follow a zooming plane up, and catch up to it just as it's running out of E at the top of its zoom. I even got a 163 like that.

Nopoop! Yes I know - the WB week 1 was terrible, but an RPS need not start at 1939. It could start at 1942, for example. I was always surprised at how popular early war combat was over at WB. Crappy guns (made worse by iEN's terrible connects), no jabo aircraft (you know how I like dangly bits!) and no viable buffs - if you like that sort of thing. But it would be nice to have an arena in which it's not 1945 every day of the tour. Perhaps AH2 will address this?

As for multiple arenas not working, I tend to agree - although WB has it with WB2.77 and WB3 - 10 people in each arena - lol.

akak · « **Reply #144 on:** March 17, 2003, 01:53:29 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
I don't agree. B&Z is decidedly different from the 109 type of "E-fiting". Try flying a 109Gx like a 190 or P47, and you're going to come to grief - took me a long time to learn that! T&B is different again (Spit V, N1K etc.) so I maintain that there are three different combat "styles". "Energy" is a more generic reference which effectively combines B&Z and E into the same category. That, I feel, is misleading to say the least.

Agreed, BnZ is different than a Rope-A-Dope or any other Energy tactic but it still doesn't change that BnZ is just another form of Energy fighting. The chief component is Energy, that's why both styles are considered forms of Energy fighting.

Same goes with TnB fighting, it's just another style among many that makes up Angles fighting, since the object in all the styles is to gain angles on your opponent.

Ack-Ack

lazs2 · « **Reply #145 on:** March 17, 2003, 08:09:04 AM »

wildthing... first I proved that you were either a liar or just stupid about your statement that you fly FM2's and spit 5's just as much as the fast planes and that you have no trouhble finding a fight... now...

you claim that you spend more time on the deck fighting in your pee 51 than I do in my fm2... again... you are either a liar or delusional.

hornet..dueling is a different skill than the arena... period. I have nothing against 1 v1 in the arena. I do it often. they are short and.. I nearly allways start with the disadvantage of speed and alt. In the arena, even one on one... you still need SA tho. you have to kill fairly quickly or get out fairly quickly before you are overwhelmed. Some of those fights are pretty good. I prefer a little more action is all. I don't think that I am alone.
lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #146 on:** March 17, 2003, 08:11:45 AM »

ack ack... B & Z with a plane 50 to 100 mph faster and starting out with a huge alt advantage is indeed "energy" fighting but you you only have to have the energy budget sense of a democrat with tax money to do it.
lazs

J_A_B · « **Reply #147 on:** March 17, 2003, 08:15:34 AM »

Shaw calls BnZ a form of E-fighting.

I disagree with that opinion.

True straight BnZ wastes huge amounts of E relative to your opponent (it allows him to equalize E-state pretty quickly), and it also fails to really use E as a means of gaining position.

What BnZ does is maintain speed and separation and make it easier to maintain combat formation, all of which are important in actual multi-plane dogfights. I consider BnZ to be its own unique form of combat flying.

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I think Lazs would be more at home in a WW1 game....all turnfighting all the time, and no fast planes bother him. An added bonus for him would be the lack of any serious bombers.

J_A_B ---> likes the big fights, but also appreciates the need for different planes/flying styles to keep the game from being boring

lazs2 · « **Reply #148 on:** March 17, 2003, 08:54:23 AM »

jab... got no problem with letting everyone fly their plane to their strengths... Got no problem with B & Z even tho, as you point out, it is a very wasteful energy fight that only works when you have a huge advantage in energy.... a very simplistic style requiring the least amount of skill of any type.

Where we may part ways is... I believe that we need a place for the early war planes to fly unmolested by those who would click "huge energy advantage" in the hanger.. To be touchy about skill, or lack thereof, when you fly such a plane in a mixed arena is the sad part of this thread.

If we had say, early, mid and late war areas in the arena.... I would probly spend about half my time in the early and about 40% in the mid and maybe 10% in the late. The fight is more important than the plane to me... mostly I flew the -1a before the fm2... I have a lot more time in it than the fm2 and I did ok with it as and energy fighter.. and... believe it or not... I am aware of energy in the fm2..

a tiny bit more to flying early war planes than simply turning in really tight little circles... at least, most of the time.
lazs

MwCaps · « **Reply #149 on:** March 17, 2003, 08:55:09 AM »

My Two Cents:

I do hate the p-51 and d9 runners, but I've been saying this since I played AW, running/E Fighting is essentially the same thing as turning in your Spit/Zero, it is using that plane to its best ability.

About RPS:

I think this would be a very good idea...I don't think its really fair to allow so many late war aircraft to be up at the same time, why did they even bother with early war planes? HTC had to know that planes like the Spit and La7 would dominate the arenas with their speed and turning ability. Flying an early war plane against late war hot rods like the La7 is asking to die, sure there are pilots who can kill and survive in them, but thats just the top echelon of all AH Pilots, the average joe will get his bellybutton handed to him trying to fly one. Well theres my opinion, but what do i know ?