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Offline Dead Man Flying

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« Reply #195 on: March 19, 2003, 02:17:38 PM »
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Lasz, it is not very difficult to find out I'm refering to the spit plague.


Oh, see.  I wasn't aware you were referring to Spits.  After all, none of the Spits I've ever seen literally turn on a dime (when both planes are slow, Zeros outturn any Spit; when both planes are fast, many planes will outturn Spits including but not limited to P-51s, P-38s, P-47s, 190s, Typhoons, and more).  Also, no Spit I've seen kills with literally one round of 20mm (about 8 rounds of 20mm concentrated into the stabilizers at convergence is about the minimum required for a kill).  And certainly no Spit I've ever seen eternally holds energy (Spit IXs hold energy relatively better than Spit Vs, and both far less so in the vertical than many planes in the game such as the 109G10, P-38, P-51, and more).

Except for the Spit XIV, Spits don't have a sustained speed anywhere near as fast as your ride of choice.  Not that you're counting that fact.  And I'm not even gonna figure out where a Spit I fits into your above description other than to note that one shot kills with it are pretty much impossible short of a pilot kill.

I await your enlightened response as to how the planes you fly require far greater skill.

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« Reply #196 on: March 19, 2003, 03:47:02 PM »
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wildthing... face it... you are a wuss...  you pick the most untouchable plane so that you can run away.   even then... you don't do all that well in the arena.   you are either afraid or unskilled so you need the huge advantage...  obviously... you feel threated that I might either expose you for the wuss you are or worse... take away your ability to fight lesser planes with the advantage you musrt have to even do as well as you do..


LoL ive never been called a Wuss before..But who better to get called a wuss but by the puss himself..Cant wait for you to open your chute...
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« Reply #197 on: March 19, 2003, 04:37:43 PM »
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Now, let's go 1v1.  Coalt if you like.. or give either one of us an advantage.. I do not care.  Your high FM2 won't ever touch my low pony.. never get a shot.  Why?  because I won't let you..I'll take the fight to your compression speed...and do a low break turn and escape(or any other assorted move)... then depending on what you do, I'll reverse and re-engage.


If you are fighting co-alt with an FM2, compression will never be a factor. The alt of the fight will not be within the compression zone of the FM2. It takes quite a bit to compress an FM2. Never have compressed one yet and have made some sreious dives in that machine.

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If you don't go to compression speed.. I'll simply take my 50 mph and leave.


Here is the part the Lazs is getting at. The FM2 has worked his balls off getting the pony into a disadvantaged position and when the pony driver finally realizes that ... zoom ... bye bye. Extends ... rinse and repeat. VERY ANNOYING. No final consequence for your mistakes because you can always run when the going gets tough. No satisfaction for the FM2 pilot who just out-flew you.

Get yourself into the same position in a similar/like plane and there is no ... zoom .. bye bye .. you are dead and you deserve to be dead. You were out flown and the reward is your plane in flames. This is gratifying.

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My high pony won't be able to get a gun solution on your low FM2.. even if I have all day..why? because you won't let me, unless you make a mistake. But  then mistakes are irrespective of plane type. You'll duck that FM2 until I've pissed away all my E, and then I'll be forced to retire, or risk a knife fight with a better turning plane.


You forgot one last option ... run with your 50 mph advantage. This is akin to sunning yourself on the beach and that gawddamn horsefly, that bites like a badger, keeps biting you everytime you just settle in and get comfortable. Eventually the fly will go away or make a mistake and you will kill the bastage, but nevertheless ... ANNOYING !!!

I have listened to many of Lazs rants for the past year and always understood his rants to be him trying to tell me what I should fly, how to fly, and how to play this game. This "rant", I believe is not that. He is not asking HTC to change anything that would effect how you or I want to fly or play this game. What he is asking for is an addition, and frankly, I like the idea and would participate in his "side" area and also play in the "regular" area as I see fit. More for my money !!!
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« Reply #198 on: March 19, 2003, 05:05:43 PM »
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Lasz, it is not very difficult to find out I'm refering to the spit plague.



Why do you whine so much about a plane that is amongst the easiest to shoot down in the MA?  Do you really suck that bad that you have to try to limit what other people fly so you can be some what competitive?


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« Reply #199 on: March 19, 2003, 05:06:40 PM »
Quote:Here is the part the Lazs is getting at. The FM2 has worked his balls off getting the pony into a disadvantaged position.  

Worked his balls off? Says who? This could easily be a guy that happened upon a low pony that just finished a fight... gimme a break.  Quit adding stuff to my scenario just so you have something to argue about.

Quote:If you are fighting co-alt with an FM2, compression will never be a factor. The alt of the fight will not be within the compression zone of the FM2.  

How the hell do you know?  You're assuming a coalt fight means turnfight.. stop assuming. Additionally, the compression comment was relating to his high FM2. specifically: "Your high FM2 won't ever touch my low pony.. never get a shot."  And please explain what you are trying to say in that second sentence.

Quote: You forgot one last option ... run with your 50 mph advantage.

No I didn't: You'll duck that FM2 until I've pissed away all my E, and then I'll be forced to retire.

Did you even read my post before you started arguing?


Quote: Here is the part the Lazs is getting at. The FM2 has worked his balls off getting the pony into a disadvantaged position and when the pony driver finally realizes that ... zoom ... bye bye. Extends ... rinse and repeat. VERY ANNOYING

Should I get annoyed because turnfighters keep turning, causing me to not be able to kill them? They grab while I'm trying to  kill someone else, then they keep trying to kill me.  Should I get annoyed at that? Puhleeze.

Get yourself into the same position in a similar/like plane and there is no ... zoom .. bye bye .. you are dead and you deserve to be dead. You were out flown and the reward is your plane in flames. This is gratifying.

I know, let's all fly the same planes at the same alt.  ::roll eyes::
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« Reply #200 on: March 19, 2003, 05:49:26 PM »
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Why do you whine so much about a plane that is amongst the easiest to shoot down in the MA?  


I know this is too much for you, but 75% of the spits are flown by newbies, does that mean the "plane" itself is an easy target? I know, too much for you ...

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« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2003, 06:08:22 PM »
Just for the heck of it, I flew a mission just now in a P40E.  No re-arm... 9 kills   lol.  Maybe the pony just isn't the plane I should be flying.   lol
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« Reply #202 on: March 19, 2003, 07:15:12 PM »
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I know this is too much for you, but 75% of the spits are flown by newbies, does that mean the "plane" itself is an easy target? I know, too much for you ...



Excuse me if I'm wrong but weren't you whining about the Spitfire being able to turn on a dime, have unlimited energy, can kill in one shot and takes no skill to fly?  So with your view on the Spitfire, pilot experience shouldn't be an issue since a newbie would be just as effective in it as a veteran pilot.  I know, it's a little to hard for you to understand.  That's why I'm starting to think you just love hearing the sound of your own whines.

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« Reply #203 on: March 19, 2003, 07:54:33 PM »
Wait.. I thought 75% of ponies were newbies.
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« Reply #204 on: March 19, 2003, 08:43:31 PM »
someone needs to streak in an early war plane to put this thing to rest.

what would it take? 100+? 125+? There are guys who'll put it up.

its the pilot not the plane...it would be interesting to poll veteran players about what they want when grabbing early war rides. I'd bet its the challenge. I know if I take a spit5 and all dorkas and 51s suddenly have a 2k hard ceiling then I suddenly become the "tard" and the 51 guys become "brave" for flying that high-wing loaded plane on the deck vs spits.

It's all relative BS...who pays 14.95 for parity anyway...its those fights when you come out of the 5v1 alive, or you sucker that guy out of his 20k alt adv that you remember, where u get better.
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« Reply #205 on: March 20, 2003, 12:15:26 AM »
Someone tell me an early war plane to fly, I'll do my best 'fly like a popsicle' and see if I can get a streak of 100+ in it.  

BTW, no offense Steve- getting a streak of 100+ is pretty tough.  I've only done it once in a 190A5, and mine wasn't as long as yours- mine was only 105 kills.  I just hated it, I hated flying as cautiously as you need to to have a big 'streak'.

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« Reply #206 on: March 20, 2003, 12:49:25 AM »
None taken Urchin...after I hit 125, I started flyin like a scared girl... was truly relieved to get blasted  
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« Reply #207 on: March 20, 2003, 09:01:44 AM »
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None taken Urchin...after I hit 125, I started flyin like a scared girl... was truly relieved to get blasted  


Steve....

This is what Lazs is referring to....late war planes flown in a manner avoiding agressive fights....the disengagment is what is frustrating....anything wrong with that? No, of course not....each player should fly the style they choose in order to have fun.

Lazs's point is this....when you have a group of early war or late war planes fighting agressively, it's fun....it's not fun to fly around and play dodge ball with late war planes. If one decides to engage, loses it's advantage and then runs, that's not fun for the guy in the slower ride. Lazs, along with others, simply desire an area or arena within the arena where more parity exists...it's not a personal afront to you or your plane of choice or your style of fighting.

Now, will Dale change it? Probably not....so in response to that, I find myself in my pony, in the weeds, hoping for just one good fight without interference from other higher and faster planes....I die alot, my score is a non-issue to me.

I used to fly just as you now do....dying sucked, killin enemy and LANDING those kills were my priority....I enjoyed the game and could care less what anyone thought of my methods...piss on em is what I used to say...I actually enjoyed their whinin. Then I realized that my skills were so one dimensional and that when forced to get after it, I lacked the skills necessary to compete in a situation where I didn't have the advantage or couldn't disengage, I no longer was satisfied with my limited skillset.

Each of us here has the right to prefer whatever style floats their boat....for some to criticize others without offering up an alternative solution, is selfish and whiney imho....one thing about Lazs, he has remained consistent in asking for what he believes would be fun...can't really criticize that.

My suggestion for you and others is to walk in his shoes for a tour...it will open your eyes and reveal your weaknesses in short order....I did it and I'm most certainly a much more complete human being having lived like a wild man rather than a sky accountant.:)

And please don't tell me about dying alot....I have members in my sqd and know others in the sim that have the skillset to deal with 3v1 engagements and walk away the victor...it is this that I'm going to continue to pursue until I quit flying these sims or they put me in the dirt....I'm an old hasbeen that still can't accept mediocrity...it's my personal problem, but at least I have a goal eh?:)
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« Reply #208 on: March 20, 2003, 09:11:50 AM »
steve.. i thoink you are still missing my point.. all that you say is true and skill of the player is still the largest factor... you do admit tho that having planes with 50 mph advantage in the sam arena with early war planes is not ... parity.

why have parity?  why have perk planes?  a well flown 51 can easily dodge a 262... the 262 is meat if he is low and tangled up and a 51 has an alt advantage.

look.... quite simply... it's not that I CAN'T kill 51's in a spit 5 or fm2 or -1a it's that I don't like doing it.... It is no fun... get it?  it is a lot of work in some cases or luck and stupidity on the part of the 51 in the other cases you mention... neither of those make for goo dearly war plane fights.

when you mix the 51's in with the slow planes you are destroying the ability of the slow planes to fight the kind of fight they are good at and like to do... if they find a place (cv close to field say) to fight an early war fight..... you (figuratively you) come over and B & Z the players and..... well.... annoy them... you ruin their fight ... their arena experiance.... you can ruin their fun easily but they really can't ruin yours...

wildthing... I don't have a key mapped to "bail" so you might have a little trouble shooting my chute.   bailing is more for your ilk I believe wussy boy.   now why don't you just run.... er  "extend" along little boy.
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« Reply #209 on: March 20, 2003, 01:15:41 PM »
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wildthing... I don't have a key mapped to "bail" so you might have a little trouble shooting my chute.   bailing is more for your ilk I believe wussy boy.   now why don't you just run.... er  "extend" along little boy.
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Why are ya calling me a wussy boy?  I believe i did challenge you to a duel which you havent said a word too..So i believe you are misinformed about who the wuss is..But again you would hate to lose to a p51 dweeb such as myself, that would ruin your reputation of having such a big mouth eh?