Author Topic: A Public apology, source of my warps found (Read 2170 times)

vorticon · « **Reply #15 on:** March 24, 2003, 01:23:02 PM »

im a kid and i love the idea of snooper software...(of topic of course)

you should have thought about the fact your snooper software and your warps coincided earlier though

ccvi · « **Reply #16 on:** March 24, 2003, 01:26:17 PM »

Does this mean I can warp at will by pressing alt-s?

Kanth · « **Reply #17 on:** March 24, 2003, 01:53:20 PM »

Being denied privacy and being denied access are two seperate things entirely.

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Kanth by inserting a surveillance software he effectively denied his child any access to content he/she considers private.

So yes, he told her "You better not browse any nasty sites OR.."

"You better not type anything bad to a chat OR.."

"You better not take my creditcard and order crack online OR.."

You get the picture.

wetrat · « **Reply #18 on:** March 24, 2003, 02:56:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
I'm a parent.. But I'm not going to deny my child access to anything that's out there..

Simply because the world is what it is, and trying to hide the fact won't make it any different. In fact it may make him naive and unprepared for the reality.

I will however talk about the subject with him when he grows a bit older to understand, and try to explain the way things work. I know wipass has good intentions and he clearly loves his child a hell lot.. But he has a very different approach to mine obviously. I'm going to informy my kid about everything possible, not leave him in the dark.

If he's like I was when I was young, he can handle the information and make his own logical conclusions about the world.

Sounds a lot like my dad.

Kevin14 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 24, 2003, 05:38:14 PM »

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Originally posted by ccvi
Does this mean I can warp at will by pressing alt-s?

Lol, I hear it costs perks though

DamPhyno · « **Reply #20 on:** March 24, 2003, 06:12:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Simply because the world is what it is, and trying to hide the fact won't make it any different. In fact it may make him naive and unprepared for the reality.
...I'm going to informy my kid about everything possible, not leave him in the dark.
...If he's like I was when I was young, he can handle the information and make his own logical conclusions about the world. [/B]

I found my 11 year old daughter checking her webmail account one day...I came into the room and found her sitting in front of the computer, looking guilty, monitor off, computer on.

I asked her what was on the screen... "Nothing"...
I turned it on, and it was the front page of a porn site...

I asked her what it was...
Angrily, she told me..."They sent me this email that said (xyz)...but all they want is my MONEY! Besides, these girls are so *UGLY*!"

*ROFL*

The way I see it?
I did well.
I have a child that:
Can see a sales pitch from 5 miles.
Is not offended or embarrased by nudity and sexuality.
Yep, she's prepared to be a teenager...

I feel sorry for the kids she'll date...they'll have no idea what hit them.

SlapShot · « **Reply #21 on:** March 24, 2003, 07:15:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
I'm a parent.. But I'm not going to deny my child access to anything that's out there..

Simply because the world is what it is, and trying to hide the fact won't make it any different. In fact it may make him naive and unprepared for the reality.

I will however talk about the subject with him when he grows a bit older to understand, and try to explain the way things work. I know wipass has good intentions and he clearly loves his child a hell lot.. But he has a very different approach to mine obviously. I'm going to informy my kid about everything possible, not leave him in the dark.

If he's like I was when I was young, he can handle the information and make his own logical conclusions about the world.

As a father of 5 (2 daughters) and a grandfather to 2, I have also used similar software when my daughters started to become internet savvy. I needed to make sure that they were not getting prayed upon in my absence and I didn't want to have to be looking over their shoulder all the time. They had accounts on AOL so I also blocked them from AOL chat-rooms, but I left AOL IM available to them.

Siaf__csf

Explanation of any subject with any child will only be fruitful if the child has the capacity to understand what it is your talking about, and secondly, do you really want to get into a in-depth discussion with a 10 yr old girl about cyber-sex, internet pediphiles, rape, etc. Not me ... I waited until I felt they had the capacity to understand these subjects and at the same time, not scare or confuse the daylights out of them. I turned my software off when the youngest turned 16.

The computer in my house is not a "right", but a "privilege", that myself and my wife have complete autonomous control over. The right to privacy on my computer is lost the second your fingers touch the keyboard.

You want to use my computer, then there is a price to pay. You don't like it ... get your own house, your own computer, and your own DSL line.

Arlo · « **Reply #22 on:** March 24, 2003, 08:44:02 PM »

Where is it implied anywhere in this thread that he leaves his kid in the dark? No ... this is protection. In a world where's there's easy access to all sorts of stuff that you are *supposed* to protect them from ... maybe you need to consider one very important thing. Maturity. Education does not supplant it.

Now .... Wipass explained that he thinks he found a possible source of warpage in the game caused by a proggie on his machine. He went so far as to explain the nature of the proggie. You've had your cow. And the cow said mooo. You really don't want to hear what I think of your "let the child run free and someday explain things to it - hopefully before it's not too late" philosophy.

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
I'm a parent.. But I'm not going to deny my child access to anything that's out there..

Simply because the world is what it is, and trying to hide the fact won't make it any different. In fact it may make him naive and unprepared for the reality.

I will however talk about the subject with him when he grows a bit older to understand, and try to explain the way things work. I know wipass has good intentions and he clearly loves his child a hell lot.. But he has a very different approach to mine obviously. I'm going to informy my kid about everything possible, not leave him in the dark.

If he's like I was when I was young, he can handle the information and make his own logical conclusions about the world.

wipass · « **Reply #23 on:** March 25, 2003, 03:00:32 AM »

I Didn't expect many replies, and certainly not concerning the software.

Anyway, I am not denying my child any access to the internet at all, She is 14, she knows about sex (in a 14 year old way) and she knows about the existence of pornography, she can surf the web to her hearts content, she can talk to her pals online and send and receive emails. She decides where the boundaries are by thinking "would Dad agree with what I am doing".

She is as street wise as a 14 year old can be, she reads daily newspapers and takes an active interest in the world around her, she is completely aware of the existence of perverts and sexual deviants. However, as arlo so eloquently put it

"Maturity. Education does not supplant it"

Siaf__csf I am assuming that your Child is quite young, as they change over time so do we,

wipass

hogenbor · « **Reply #24 on:** March 25, 2003, 03:51:52 AM »

I think wipass found a good comprise between freedom and education. There are loonies out there... harmless ones like us who get excited about WWII aviation, and harmful ones who get off on chatting with curious 14 year olds who love a bit of attention.

I also saw examples of loonies who combine those two but I won't mention any names :-D

ccvi · « **Reply #25 on:** March 25, 2003, 05:21:37 AM »

maturity is just a result of many different experiences.

internet porn is just one of those experiences, therefore good for maturity.

also, it can be very educational (anatomy etc.)

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #26 on:** March 25, 2003, 05:42:10 AM »

Yeah Wipass he's only 2 but already plays Disney online

"Explanation of any subject with any child will only be fruitful if the child has the capacity to understand what it is your talking about, and secondly, do you really want to get into a in-depth discussion with a 10 yr old girl about cyber-sex, internet pediphiles, rape, etc. Not me ... I waited until I felt they had the capacity to understand these subjects and at the same time, not scare or confuse the daylights out of them. I turned my software off when the youngest turned 16."

My approach to that problem is that when the kid is too young to understand the real explanation, it's suffice to say to him/her that there are sick people out there and they should take care when talking to strangers, especially on the net. Then later on when the 'why' question comes out, further explanation takes place if necessary.

I won't try to protect my kid by eavesdropping his activities. I value privacy highly and I'm going to grant my kid just that. If he has active interest in something, he's old enough to handle it.

Naturally I'm not going to let him see horror movies on tv etc. when he's clearly too young and will be scared.. But the day he wants to see a horror flick himself, I'll offer to see it together.

I know that if I ban it, he'll rent one and watch it with friends anyway - without my support. Just like I did when I was a kid

BNM · « **Reply #27 on:** March 25, 2003, 06:22:09 AM »

Sounds like you're doing a good job raising your kids wipass. Keep on truckin'... As for some others here, you are the problem with society today. Flame away but I won't throw pearls before swine. IE: I will not waste my time replying to why I say that as you most assuredly could not comprehend the answer... but I digress.

bj229r · « **Reply #28 on:** March 25, 2003, 10:15:53 AM »

Crumb-crunchers HAVE no rights, unless of course ya include the right NOT to get flogged fer not doin homework/chores. But seriously, ya can protect your kid from the harsher parts of the world without making them live in a sealed-off shell. THAT is a parent's job. When they turn 18 and get out of house (unLESS you are paying for their college) let em make all the stupid g'damn decisions they want. THEN you can say, with conviction.."WE TOLD YA SO!"

humble · « **Reply #29 on:** March 25, 2003, 11:28:54 AM »

wipass <<>>

Both for care and love your exibiting for your family and your taking a moment to post an explanation here. Anyone who questions your actions regarding your daughters well being is sadly misinformed. About 12 years ago I ended up putting my step daughter (14 also at the time) under "house arrest" for a couple weeks because I was really concerned about a particular "friend" she was seeing...I got all kinds of grief from well meaning friends and nieghbors...right until this kid took a nieghbors daughter over a cliff with him one night a month or so later...I'm getting ready to go to her masters graduation instead of visiting a head stone...and trust me she's no "model child" She was still wild and moved out at 17...but I delayed stuff til she was a bit better able to handle her often bad choices....and she's the 1st to thank me for being a "hard ass" way back when. You can't chose the road they travel ...but you can put up a few roadblocks if you need to:).

All the Best