Author Topic: Why the Israelis will prevail (Read 3290 times)

rc51 · « **Reply #60 on:** March 31, 2003, 05:50:11 PM »

Look at the Jew's in history.
If you are one i think you can see how they might just be a little trigger happy.
No one group of people have been more persecuted in history than the hebrew.
From the bible till now.
If the palestinians would stop all the terror tactics i think over a long period of time it might work it self out.
So look at the jew's as the kid that got beat up all the time in school and when they grew up they learned how to fight and vowed NEVER again!!!
I think you have to be a Jew to fully understand.

Frogm4n · « **Reply #61 on:** March 31, 2003, 05:51:27 PM »

24hour cerfews while tanks roll around the streets sounds like a fun way to live. i bet its really fun when they remove you from the home of your family for the past few hundred years(most eastern cultures value this far far far more then we do) so they can make room for some settlers from new york just looking for some Lebensraum. Suicide bombers are disgusting people, but so are people that use tanks to fire on children and bulldozers to roll over protestors.

It really dosnt matter who started it, but the fact is it wont stop till you do some ethnic cleansing or you give them a damn country to live in.

rc51 · « **Reply #62 on:** March 31, 2003, 05:53:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Frogm4n

It really dosnt matter who started it, but the fact is it wont stop till you do some ethnic cleansing or you give them a damn country to live in.

Thay have a country ISRAEL

Nashwan · « **Reply #63 on:** March 31, 2003, 05:56:12 PM »

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Thay have a country ISRAEL

Palestinians are not allowed to become Israeli citizens, except for a handfull who manage it by marriage.

That's the problem, they aren't allowed any state, not a Palestinian one or to be part of Israel.

Frogm4n · « **Reply #64 on:** March 31, 2003, 06:00:32 PM »

rc51 i really suggest you read up on the way they are treated. Isreal is not their country. Their country was repo'd like many had their homes taken from them. Its like if mexico came into texas and with the backing of the US and the UN said "well this is our land god gave it to us 2000 years ago". and then you were kicked out of your home so a mexican could live there.

rc51 · « **Reply #65 on:** March 31, 2003, 06:04:24 PM »

LOL I think this country always has and always will belong to the AMERICAN INDIAN!

Batz · « **Reply #66 on:** March 31, 2003, 06:22:14 PM »

Akiron that link is a to an orginisation run by senior members of the Israeli government, military and Mossad.

They estimate near 800 palestinians civilians killed. That most likely is a lo number.

Israel is a Zionist state, Zionism is on par with Nazism. The head of that Zionist state is run by war criminal. Branding any resistence to the Israeli occupation and subjugation of Palestinian land and people as blanket terrorism is naive.

The Palestinians simply respond to Israeli aggression with the tools they have available. They have no army, no planes no missiles etc.

Equating the type of "terrorists" action by palestinians to those of Al Queda or even in Iraq is wrong.

Israel creates any hatred d toward them by indiscriminately targeting any non-Israeli who gets in their way.

The very action by which the Palestinian "terrorist" use are the same used by the Zionist to help force a Jewish State. The very same ones.

The Zionists have continue to expand the territory not as result of wars forced against them but through settlements, bulldozers and guns.

Israel is only a fgriend of the US as long as the checks keep coming in. I **** umm lets arm the palestinians to the same degree we aided the Iraelis. The you cant whine about "terrorism" when the pals meat the Israelis with equal force.

Israel makes palestinian hate through its actions toward the Palestinian people. They deserve what they get. If the average Israeli citizen is concerned over terrorist then they would elect a government who has a general interest in an independent Palestine.

Driving bulldozers through the home of Palestinians, rounding them up and expelling them with no trial, responding to rock throwing with machines guns and all the current tactics used by the Israeli war criminals wont stop "terrorism" It will ensure it continues forever.

Nashwan · « **Reply #67 on:** March 31, 2003, 06:27:25 PM »

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Zionism is on par with Nazism.

No it's not. Zionism, at it's worst, seeks to displace the Palestinians to create a Jewish state, not exterminate them.

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LOL I think this country always has and always will belong to the AMERICAN INDIAN!

It certainly used to, but it doesn't now. Turning it over to the American Indians now would disposses 250 million people, who aren't personally responsible for what befell the American Indians.

Animal · « **Reply #68 on:** March 31, 2003, 06:32:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Nashwan
No it's not. Zionism, at it's worst, seeks to displace the Palestinians to create a Jewish state, not exterminate them.

Displace at all costs. Extermination if necessary.

Your arguement was also used by the NAZI. The only reason Israel is not murdering Palestinians on the scale the Nazis did is because it would leak to the rest of the world inmediately.

Batz · « **Reply #69 on:** March 31, 2003, 06:33:54 PM »

I have heard Zionist call for the extermination of the palestinians. They want living space for their "chosen few" just because they havent be able to practice extermination doesnt mean they are "against" it.

Nazism arrived at a "final solution" to the jewish question in Europe after exploring many other means to remove them.

Do you think if Sharon could get away with it he would exterminate as many palestinians as possible?

X2Lee · « **Reply #70 on:** March 31, 2003, 06:40:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Batz

Do you think if Sharon could get away with it he would exterminate as many palestinians as possible?

No, do you think Saddam could get away with opening daycare centers all over the United States?

Batz · « **Reply #71 on:** March 31, 2003, 06:50:37 PM »

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No, do you think Saddam could get away with opening daycare centers all over the United States?

Your attempt at being cute aside Sharon is war criminal look it up.

Nashwan · « **Reply #72 on:** March 31, 2003, 07:02:22 PM »

Zionism does not address Arabs at all. It ignores them, and their needs.

Zionism is more like the American "manifest destiny" doctrine. The purpose isn't to eradicate the Arabs, or even move them out of the way, the purpose is to settle the territory of Israel.

Nazism saw Jews themselves as a problem. Whilst there was some attempt to simply displace them, it wasn't because they were in the way, and preventing German expansion. The Jews themselves were percieved as the problem.

If there were 10 million Jews and 1 million Palestinians, Israel would have given them citizenship long ago, and the place would be peaceful now.

For Zionism, the goal is to get the land. The problem is the Palestinians are in the way.

For Nazism, the goal was to get rid of the Jews. The problem was how best to do it.

That's a fundamental difference.

Animal · « **Reply #73 on:** March 31, 2003, 07:09:32 PM »

Yeah huge fundamental difference, but in practice, it turns out to be quite similar.

Batz · « **Reply #74 on:** March 31, 2003, 07:13:32 PM »

Only in the wording. Applying the 2 one can easily arrive at the same point.

No Nation is prepared to take displaced palestinians. Take the current situation back back 60 years and there very well could be "palestinian death camps". They arent dealing with a general "Arab" question. Not all Arabs are palestinian. For the longest time Jordan didnt want "palestinians" in Jordan.

The problem is to what to do with the "Palestinians" that currently reside on their "promised" land. I have read Zionists call for this and I think if the world wasnt watching Sharon would get right to it. That and a growing population of "non-Zionist" jews in Israel and around the world that can envision a future palestinian state.