Author Topic: Could someone rethink the way porking fuel works?  (Read 1400 times)

Offline DrDea

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« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2003, 02:56:39 PM »
Im not sure but that may well have been scarcasm.:rolleyes:
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« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2003, 03:19:15 PM »
Can't say I've noticed all the forward fields having the fuel porked before.  If it is all porked then I'll run a resupply M3 or take a goon in there.  Quite often our entire squad will do a supply run and the field is back up pretty quickly.  It just takes cooperation and spending 15 - 20 minutes isn't much if it's helping everyone.  If you can't resupply then either fly a plane that's good on 25% or 50% fuel or take off from another field that does have 100% fuel.  You may not be able to do many attacks but you should at least be in a position to defend.  Additionally you can always rearm at the porked field having flown there from somewhere else.  I think people forget that!

Having more fuel targets would be quite interesting.  I fly the Tyhoon primarily and you always need 75 or 100% fuel if you're planning on going anywhere and RTBing successfully.

However, if I'm constantly defending from the invading rascals (;)) then of course I'm going to go and pork their fuel to give me a bit of breathing space!  Very rare for me to make a suicide run, I always intend to RTB.
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« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2003, 03:25:50 PM »
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Resupplying hardly does anything at all... and I really doubt resupplying bases in a goon is urchin's idea of a good time.


Simply ask for help, afterall the game is all about cooperation.  If everyone chips in then the base will be back up in no time.

It might not be everyones idea of a good time, but you have to take the rough with the smooth.  Just need team work that's all.
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« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2003, 03:27:33 PM »
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Maybe Trinity should be modified to include a Furball Valley to the east of Tank Town.  That way, the Bishops could capture all of those bases the same way they capture all of the Tank Town bases.


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« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2003, 03:29:36 PM »
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Simply ask for help, afterall the game is all about cooperation.  If everyone chips in then the base will be back up in no time.

It might not be everyones idea of a good time, but you have to take the rough with the smooth.  Just need team work that's all.


/sarcasm on
>gasp<   you mean people are suppose to actually use TeamWork in this game???
/sarcasm off

There ya go... your base got porked... you and a couple of buds up some goons or M3's from nearby and resupply... it's not that hard

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« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2003, 03:40:52 PM »
I'll say it again.. The answer to everything in this game is...


No perk points awarded unless a sortie is landed successfully. People will reconsider their one way trips, people will consider using ACM versus HO attacks ect....

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« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2003, 04:24:48 PM »
Batz has it, make fuel harder to kill.  We have the same "fuel targets" for the MA that we had versions and versions ago.  May have been ok when there were 100 online max, not when there is 500+ online.  

Just make it tougher please.

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« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2003, 04:27:42 PM »
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Resupplying hardly does anything at all... and I really doubt resupplying bases in a goon is urchin's idea of a good time.


I disagree wetrat. I have run many supply sorties, both M3 and C47, and they do make a difference.

If anyone is looking for perkies to get themselves a ride in a Tiger, then resupplying a base with an M3 is a quick way to get them. I have, at times, gotten more than 5+ perks for a single resupply run. You have to shoot down a lot planes and buildings to get that many perks in one sortie.

I don't know of anyone that really thinks that resupplying bases is their idea of a "good time", but some of us do it to help out the country/friends, some just whine.
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« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2003, 04:31:32 PM »
Who told this game is about cooperation?

We get our cooperation by joining squads. Both Urchin and wetrat were and I were in a squad. Cooperation to us meant clearing each others 6, draggin etc.....

It has nothing to do with the land grab.

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« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2003, 04:41:01 PM »
cooperation does not directly correlate to "land grab".

If you all are fighting hard/furballing from a base that gets porked and you want to continue to fight from that base, then a cooperative effort by some could put the base back together again.
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« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2003, 04:45:35 PM »
Rresup goons are fine but give points for it .75 for risking you prettythang isnt woth it
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« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2003, 05:12:56 PM »
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cooperation does not directly correlate to "land grab".


Sure it does. Folks are using the "land grab" and "war winning" as reason to justify pork and auger. Playing c47 delivery boy is a counter to that.

If folks enjoy bombing stationary objects then they should love it if ht gives umm a few more.

Adding additional fuel tanks isnt hard. We get more fuel, pork and auger gets more things to collide into.

Sounds fair to me.

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« Reply #42 on: April 15, 2003, 07:00:59 PM »
The problem is, as I said 'all or nothing', the same line of argument can be done for Fighter, Bomber, Vehicle hangars.. barracks and towns! It doesn't makes sense a field is removed of its aircraft/vehicle capabilities by just destroying a few structures.. it also doesn't make sense that the ground troops available for capture attempts rely on two three base structures.. it also doesn't make sense just 10 troops in a dead town can capture it.. etc etc..

 If the 'change' in the line of what Batz suggests is done, then so should it be done with everything. We're talking about a huge scale change/modification to the current strat system here.

 So, if such a large scale change should be done, it might as well be changed into something far better. Obviously some more ideas are needed than to just increase the number of structures.

 ...

 The MA is not a 'realistic' warfare by anymeans, but it is undeniably a fantasized/simplified form of clash between three hostile nations. You can't deny that whatever you choose to do with one's 15$ amount of time in the MA, the environment which it is done is inevitably a part of the 'grab-the-land-and-win' type of war game.

 One can always go into the DA for pure combat purposes. Why people don't do that much, is pretty obvious - there aren't many variables and factors in a preset, small scale engagement environment like the DA - people can meet different(though still limited vis-a-vis 'MA nature') situations in MA, and that's why they like it. It also gives a collective purpose for a number of people to why they are flying.

 So IMO, this small debate about the fuels, when digged into deeper, inevitably has to touch the surface of the debate on the overall strat system of Aces High Main Arena! :eek:

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« Reply #43 on: April 15, 2003, 07:15:31 PM »
IMO, if some one wants to negate the fighters at a field, he should go there and destroy the fighter hangars. Same for bombers, same for vehicles. Not just negating half the planeset by suiciding against fuel depots.

If we want to add a realism note: can you see the fuel depots when you refuel your car at a gas station? not, of course, it is underground. Same may be applied to medium and large air bases. Visible fuel depots at these bases may represent less than 25% of the total available fuel. Underground fuel depots  are not marked saying "BOMB HERE", but carpet bombing (with BIG bombs) a field may destroy some of these underground depots.

Small fields may have a single underground depot with 50% of available fuel, and the rest into normal (visible) fuel depots.

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« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2003, 08:30:16 PM »
Kind of a good idea mandoble.