Author Topic: Comparison: Berlin 1989 vs Baghdad 2003 (Read 3115 times)

Boroda · « **Reply #76 on:** April 15, 2003, 12:41:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
LOL!

OK.. you used the term "invade" in defense of your country and our military. Tell me how there can be invasion without occupation boroda.

Please show me where in this thread I said that US troops occupy Europe.

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Originally posted by Mini D

Then... go back to hiding behind technicalities. Act as if the governments of Eastern Europe were not puppet governments held in place by the threat of military response. No... you can't. American presence in Europe and Soviet presence in Eastern Europe are in no way the same thing. Not even remotely Boroda. The fact that you even try to draw similarities is simply ludicrous.

They were in no way the same thing. Finally USSR/Russia withdrew troops from Europe, and US never did so. USSR wasn't the first to start "free democratic elections" with "democratic" candidates supported by occupation troops in Soviet occupation zones in Europe and Far East.

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Originally posted by Mini D

Let's put it this way...

How many governments in Europe completely changed when American forces were pulled out of their country? Please, find one. We do not have troops in every European nation. We do not have sovereign rights in any European nation. Surely you can see the difference boroda. You can't be that obtuse.

MiniD

American forces were pulled out of any country in Europe?!

Mini D · « **Reply #77 on:** April 15, 2003, 12:46:42 PM »

Ah boroda. You're ignorance abounds. Do you even have any idea what countries the U.S. does and doesn't have troops in? Or any idea what countries the U.S. has removed all of its forces from? I mean really. You aren't just spewing rhetoric again are you?

And "Pupet government" aplies in spades to the soviet era Eastern European governments boroda. Poland was the first country to finally break from the party line mindset... and it wasn't Russian presence that helped that occur.

MiniD

Smut · « **Reply #78 on:** April 15, 2003, 01:03:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Frogm4n
explain to me how servering in the military was such a horrible sacrifice. We have a volunteer army, you are not sacrificeing anything when you know your going to have to travel for your job. you dont hear a buisness man saying what a great sacrifice he made for his country because he had to work in the tokyo office for 6 years.

WOW that's pretty offensive to this former cold warrior.

I didn't sacrifice anything? I lived an "upper middle class life" while overseas?

You sir haven't a clue what you are talking about. If you think working on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier, at night like I did is the same thing as working in an office in Tokyo...WOW.

If you think the living conditions aboard ship are "upper middle class"...WOW again.

I've had the misfortune of watching men die for their country. I've lost aircrew that I greatly respected. Tell me again how these people, and their loved ones didn't sacrife anything?

If you think the cold war was bloodless or a county club, you are sadly mistaken.

-Smut

Boroda · « **Reply #79 on:** April 15, 2003, 01:06:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
Ah boroda. You're ignorance abounds. Do you even have any idea what countries the U.S. does and doesn't have troops in? Or any idea what countries the U.S. has removed all of its forces from? I mean really. You aren't just spewing rhetoric again are you?

And "Pupet government" aplies in spades to the soviet era Eastern European governments boroda. Poland was the first country to finally break from the party line mindset... and it wasn't Russian presence that helped that occur.

MiniD

You fail to name European countries where US troops were withdrawn, so ask me? Even fail to name France?...

Now please tell me any country where political regime changed when the US troops were there, remaining neutral. And compare it to the Soviet/Russian list.

The discussion is pointless. We lost the economical and propaganda warfare (strange that we could compete at all, given the state of affairs after WWII), so all the lies about my country automaticaly became true in the eyes of an average american.

I wonder how long will it take to declare that USSR was an ally of nazi Germany?...

AWMac · « **Reply #80 on:** April 15, 2003, 01:07:39 PM »

I'd like to see the World from Boroda's point of view but I just can't seem to get my head that far up my arse.

Smut · « **Reply #81 on:** April 15, 2003, 01:20:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
I wonder how long will it take to declare that USSR was an ally of nazi Germany?...

I dunno, let's have the Poles answer that one.

And now a questionof my own - Who trained the Luftwaffe prior to ww2?

-Smut

Frogm4n · « **Reply #82 on:** April 15, 2003, 01:38:34 PM »

did his game start with a C and end in a burg?

Sabre · « **Reply #83 on:** April 15, 2003, 01:40:52 PM »

Your hero, Frogm4n?

Smut, he doesn't understand. He can't. His statements are a kin to saying that Japanese Americans interned during WWII were at best "inconvenienced." After all, they got free room and board too, and lived in a private, gated community will lavish ammenities. No sacrifice there, eh?

As I said, truly amazing.

Mini D · « **Reply #84 on:** April 15, 2003, 01:41:00 PM »

Boroda... you're the one claiming the presence of U.S. forces in Europe. The ball's in your court. I can think of 4 European countries where the U.S. maintains bases. That leaves a whole lot where we have no presence at all. I can also think of bases closed in 3 other countries for various reasons including a request by the host nation. The main point being that we did not dictate our presence in those nations. This is the main difference between the Soviet occupation and our presence.

So... show all these forces you claim the U.S. has still left over there. Get the list over 4 countries if you can.

MiniD

Ike 2K# · « **Reply #85 on:** April 15, 2003, 02:06:39 PM »

(let me try to compare Berlin and Baghdad)

Berlin: People were happy, BUT Germany is stagnating (economically) because of reconstruction in the east and most people want to leave the "Fatherland" to go to USA.

Baghdad: People in Baghdad were happy too but arabs in Palestine and Egypt are angry and frustrated because they were expecting suicide attacks when US marches through baghdad. The citizens of Iraq were obedient and they dont commit crimes like here in USA when Saddam was still in power.

Boroda · « **Reply #86 on:** April 15, 2003, 02:07:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Smut
I dunno, let's have the Poles answer that one.

And now a questionof my own - Who trained the Luftwaffe prior to ww2?

-Smut

So it already began.

Very nice.

Too bored to answer this crap again.

Sixpence · « **Reply #87 on:** April 15, 2003, 02:33:03 PM »

I don't think they can be compared. If I am correct, Germany invaded Russia. Russia wins the war and Germany becomes theirs. If you are a believer that Isreal should keep it's conquered land,then maybe you believe Berlin belongs to Russia? I guess it's just what your individual opinion is.

Iraq was ruled by it's own citizen.

The people of Germany were caught in a cold war between to superpowers.

Hopefully, the results will be similar, a unified country.

BTW, a big ~~to the Berlin Airlift. If not for that there would have been no wall to tear down.~~

Ike 2K# · « **Reply #88 on:** April 15, 2003, 04:31:30 PM »

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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH GIT THAT DING DONGS AWAY FROM MEH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

Ike 2K# · « **Reply #89 on:** April 15, 2003, 04:39:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Frogm4n
...........(cold war) was an economic battle (between the socialist system and the capitalist system) that we benifited greatly from dont fool yourself.

you're right, cold war is also a political battle between the communist system and the democratic system and