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Offline OIO

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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2003, 11:14:16 AM »
"noone will care about public opinion."

I disagree.

The public of the western powers will "forget" about it in about 2 months after the war is over and/or the coalition forces leave Iraq. The reasons are simple: Its over and jumping and screaming does not pay their bills and it doesnt really affect their lives or pride. All those protesters are indeed "useful idiots" as Stalin (or was it Lenin?) once said.

But the Arab public opinion, thats the powder keg. They hold grudges dating back to the 12th century. Their governments keep them under control by directing their anger towards the west. The west is responsible for their poverty, for everything. Then you get an even deadlier mix into the pot.. religion. Stomping Saddam is = to stomping Islam, stomping Bin Laden is = stomping Islam, supporting Israel = stomping Islam... its a very vicious cycle.

If there is ONE thing that I hope the Iraqis get from this, is the SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. That one thing alone is what has those arab/islamic countries so fuked up imo.

Invading Iraq just added a few lbs of TNT to the keg. And that will in turn generate more terrorrists which may pop up more al-queida type groups.. properly funded and supported under the table by Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, etc.
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« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2003, 12:00:01 PM »
Easiest defensive strategy for a "Your Momma" attack is the tried and true.. "she's dead" retort.
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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2003, 12:38:50 PM »
What OIO said makes alot of sense.

I think what happens in Iraq over the next year will determine success. But saddam is gone and sanctions will be lifted, so results so far seem positive to me.
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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2003, 12:53:57 PM »
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Easiest defensive strategy for a "Your Momma" attack is the tried and true.. "she's dead" retort.


In this case it's true. But thanks for playing.
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Offline Rasker

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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2003, 04:26:15 AM »
No.  the fact that Saddam signed a cease-fire agreement after committing aggression in 1990 and broke the terms thereof justifies his removal and the liberation of his victims.
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Offline Defiance

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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2003, 06:20:47 AM »
Hiya's,

No

Check previous UN res's
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« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2003, 07:25:52 AM »
I can't give an answer to this just yet. I'm pondering, and it's probably too early to say. The war has turned out pretty much as I expected - including the fact that Saddam has not been taken alive. Quite how the 55 most wanted have disappeared without trace is a mystery to me. But I think the CIA knows more than the public is being told. Quite a lot more.

I tend to view this war as Part 2 of 2. Part 1 was in 1991, of course. We stopped the war, on condition that certain conditions were met. The conditions were not met, and so we were justified in going back in. No fresh 2003 UN mandate required.

The BIG mistake was not finishing the job in 1991.

RC51 - you forgot to post a picture of your gun. :rolleyes: :D :p
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« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2003, 09:11:16 AM »
lol @ this war and this thread.
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« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2003, 10:18:24 AM »
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No.  the fact that Saddam signed a cease-fire agreement after committing aggression in 1990 and broke the terms thereof justifies his removal and the liberation of his victims.


And, by God, we gonna free them little off-white dudes if we gotta kill every last one in the process!!
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Offline Martlet

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« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2003, 10:50:45 AM »
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And, by God, we gonna free them little off-white dudes if we gotta kill every last one in the process!!


collateral damage has been light.  The majority of Iraqis support us being there.  

The bottom line is, that Iraq will become one less country that it is easy to launch terrorist aggression from.
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Offline Thrawn

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« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2003, 08:09:24 PM »
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Your inability to post anything but your unsupported opinion shows you have no basis for forming it on your own.


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The majority of Iraqis support us being there.  



Martlet, you make this too easy.
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« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2003, 08:37:06 PM »
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"noone will care about public opinion."

I disagree.

The public of the western powers will "forget" about it in about 2 months after the war is over and/or the coalition forces leave Iraq. The reasons are simple: Its over and jumping and screaming does not pay their bills and it doesnt really affect their lives or pride. All those protesters are indeed "useful idiots" as Stalin (or was it Lenin?) once said.

But the Arab public opinion, thats the powder keg. They hold grudges dating back to the 12th century. Their governments keep them under control by directing their anger towards the west. The west is responsible for their poverty, for everything. Then you get an even deadlier mix into the pot.. religion. Stomping Saddam is = to stomping Islam, stomping Bin Laden is = stomping Islam, supporting Israel = stomping Islam... its a very vicious cycle.

If there is ONE thing that I hope the Iraqis get from this, is the SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. That one thing alone is what has those arab/islamic countries so fuked up imo.

Invading Iraq just added a few lbs of TNT to the keg. And that will in turn generate more terrorrists which may pop up more al-queida type groups.. properly funded and supported under the table by Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, etc.


Change a few words and most of the above can directly apply to western govn'ts and cultures. Except maybe that the church now plays a much smaller role in todays govn't and the corporations pretty much are lead policy makers.

The only difference being it's acceptable for western govn'ts to invade and export and endorse terrorism and use WMD but not the other way around.

Might as well just pull down your pants and bendover and wait for the bite with policies like that.

I'm just not looking forward to the next long weekend gas hikes, war over oil is great cause it's cheap as hell when it's going on.

ops back on topic....

WDM in Iraq of course there is... will they be found, just go there and take a depth breath and report back in a few years.

Iraq must glow in the dark now with all the DU and chemical and biological debris from three wars, i feel sorry for the people especially the children since some cancer rates have gone up over 1000% and with no modern medicines or facilities to easy their suffering.

Not only Iraqi's are suffering many thousands of  coalition troops were exposed to chemical agents during the GufWar in '91. Saddam didn't use WMD in the Gulf War is was the bombing and destroying of the stored caches and the resulting fallout which exposed the majority of the troops.

Adding to that the GulfWar Veterans Assiciation has recently asked for Rumsfeld to resign over the whole WDM dealings with Iraq.

The govn'ts and companies invovled in giving Saddam the technology to justify a war should be held accountable for their actions if not withdrawn from any further dealings with Iraq. WMD are cheap you can have buy a good biological arsenal for under $2000 it's the  equipment to manufacture the base stock that is were the money is.


Greed it makes the world go around and around and around...

no that's oil stupid!
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Offline Arfann

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« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2003, 09:06:38 PM »
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collateral damage has been light.  The majority of Iraqis support us being there.  

The bottom line is, that Iraq will become one less country that it is easy to launch terrorist aggression from.


Define "light". You see a hundred or so US and a few thousand Iraqi deaths and you see "light" numbers. I gotta assume you never saw up close and personal what casualties look (and smell) like. That's a bunch and a group for zero gain.
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« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2003, 10:21:35 PM »
No
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« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2003, 10:25:27 PM »
Any WMD found in Iraq will have been planted there by the CIA and PNAC, I triple guarantee you!
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