Starwars, and George Lucas.

[Nifty]

like I said in the other thread, a lot of it has to do with Lucas' directing in this one.  The acting is just like Lucas wants it over Ep I and II.  It's the style he's going for.  You can tell the guy hadn't directed a movie in forever.

Also, he's a horrible editor, at least on Ep II.  He cut out some scenes that would have gone a long way to making the romance between "gay boy" and "hot chick" more believable and not so, well, forced.  (no pun intended.)

We have grown up, but I still enjoyed Ep I and II.  I just thought the directing and editing were very subpar.

[Pongo]

Originally posted by udet
Anynody sees the analogy between how Palpatine got to power and how Hitler did it?

That gives 1930s Germans to much credit. They knew they had a dark sith lord at the helm.
But there are elements of the rise of national socialism in it. and elements of Lincon and US federal power.

[OIO]

Actually, I think the only things worthy of being seen in both of the new SW movies can be summed down to a few scenes.

-anakin as a kid being separated from his mother as obiwan picks him up.
-any scene where amidala was alone (not with gay boy)
-most of the scenes where the other jedi are in.
-jar-jar race fighting the droids (except the goofy parts jarjar was in)
-lightsaber duels
-cloners and their intro of bobba fett (pretty neat!)
-the clones vs droids battle scene (woot!)
-yoda kickin arse
-palpatine's scenes (how he manipulated senate and got control was quite cool)

the rest of the 2 movies was utter crap.

[Saurdaukar]

Originally posted by udet
Anynody sees the analogy between how Palpatine got to power and how Hitler did it?

There are WWII analogies everywhere - hell Star Wars is practly 1930-1950 in space.

Everything from the obvious, "Storm Troopers," to the more obscure, Lucas using British flight recorders from WWII to judge what the "chatter" should sound like (note: Red One, Red, Two, etc), to some that are open for debate... you can make a whole thread out of this stuff.  The uniforms, the names, "super weapons," death/labor camps, etc etc etc.

[gofaster]

Originally posted by Saurdaukar
[rant]
I dont want to know how the Force works... dont spend 5 minutes explaining it to me... Ben's explaination in the first movie was enough... open for debate... the stuff than makes a fan base a cult.  There is nothing to debate with the new movies.  Its around us, teh rock, the tree, it binds us, makes us grow... ****ing awesome.  It is not the result of a symbiate (sp?) relationship between little bugs in your blood stream and your brain, or whatever the **** Lucas was smoking... and we can now measure the number of these little parasites?  (Theres more of that ST crap... get out the Imperial Tricorder Master Kenobi... **** off)
[/rant]

You know, you just reminded me of why I hated Episode I so much (besides Jar-Jar and the bad CGI effects and the uninspiring starfighter design) and that's the fact that Lucas porked up a perfectly good mysticism.  

In Episode IV, "The Force" surrounds all things, binds us, makes us grow, pretty much is in everybody and if we apply ourselves and work hard and train then we can harness this wonderful new power and make something of ourselves and become successful, too.  In essence, hard work will pay off.  In Episode I, that mysticism is replaced with a more cynical property - you can work all you want to but you'll never succeed unless these little things in your blood over which you have no control are in sufficient quantity.  In short, you're either born with talent or you're not, and no amount of work is going to fix that.  So, therefore, if we fail at elementary school math we should just throw in the towel and admit that we'll be coal shovelers for the rest of our lives?  We have no control over our destiny?  That's just a bit too depressing.  And our children are hearing this claptrap.  What effect do you think its having on them?

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by udet
Anynody sees the analogy between how Palpatine got to power and how Hitler did it?

Not really.  The analogy between Palpatine and Augustus Caesar appears much more obvious IMO, even if Lucas models the Empire itself around Nazi Germany.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Wlfgng]

all the Star Wars movies are crap with regards to acting and story line.. it's all about the effects and most of today's movie goers aren't easily impressed any longer.

The latest movie isn't any different than the first.. crap actors, crap story line       but still fun.

[crowMAW]

GTO...thank you.  Ever since seeing Episode I and hating every minute of it (almost walked out it was so bad), I've not quite been able to put my finger on why it was so different.  I even went back and watched the full trilogy too see if the others were as bad and I had just not realized it at the time.  But you hit the nail on the head.  

Episode IV was somewhat childish...but very well executed and decently acted.

Episode V grew...it was more mature than III.  And the acting was still decent...well, except for Luke's final scream drawn straight from the William Shatner School of Overacting (anyone else notice that you could probably overlay Luke's screamed "NOOOOOO" on top of Kirk's screamed "KAAAAAHN" and have a nice harmony).

Despite the cute fuzzies in Episode VI, it was a good wrap up of the characters.  And I guess I immediately "got" the purpose of the Fazzy Bears: things are not as they seem; a theme that permeated the whole movie.

But Episode I was for the pre-pubescent and depended to much on sentimentality.  YUCK!  There was no growth from the previous movies.  Maybe this was Lucas' intent...it is sad if true.

And unfortunately, Episode II was only slightly better than Menace.  Primarily from the all but completely missing Jar-Jar (The Intergalactic Rastafarian).  At least it did provide some good "universe" development by filling in some of the politics despite the very poor execution of character development.

One other pet peeve...in IV-VI they worked hard to develop new alien languages.  It was very innovative.  Why did everyone in I & II speak English with some contrived accent?!

[SOB]

Damn, I can't believe I missed Ep. III!


SOB

[lord dolf vader]

fourth one was so bad i wont be seeing any others, or buying altererd crap. felt like my dog died after jar jar walked on screen.

no right to feel that way but i did.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Ewoks were so cool, they even had their own movie...
-SW

[GtoRA2]

You are right they are all aimed at that age group.

Thats why I am pissed. WE are the fans my age group, not a bunch of snot nosed brats!  LOL He should have made the movie for us, not for dumb kids who could care less about Star wars. Ask a kid, they don't car. Ask most 25 to 35 year old males and you will see it in their eyes, they loved it.

Lucus messed up, and went for the kiddies again, when he should have aimed it at US!  

Still Glad to see I am not the only one...

That he has to mess with the old movies before the come out on DVD pisses me off so bad!

[Reschke]

I can see it being aimed at guys 25-35 years old. The love scene would go sort of like this. Plus we could only watch it if we had Vivid DVD.

Anakin: "So what do you do for a living?"
Amidala: "I am a Senator of the Republic for my home planet."
Anakin: "Cool! Wanna go get a drink?"
Amidala: "No way lets just screw right here in front of the bar in my speeder."

Cut to undressing and kissing with some grubbing then Amidala goes down on Anakin and the John Williams score is replaced with something from "Debbie does Dallas 2000". Bow chika wowow...

After the customary facial Anakin pulls back and admires his handy work and high five's Obi Wan for coming in through the backdoor simultaneously.

[Sandman]

This article pretty much ruined the entire series for me.

FWIW... Episode five is the best, IMHO.

[Saurdaukar]

Originally posted by gofaster
You know, you just reminded me of why I hated Episode I so much (besides Jar-Jar and the bad CGI effects and the uninspiring starfighter design) and that's the fact that Lucas porked up a perfectly good mysticism.  

In Episode IV, "The Force" surrounds all things, binds us, makes us grow, pretty much is in everybody and if we apply ourselves and work hard and train then we can harness this wonderful new power and make something of ourselves and become successful, too.  In essence, hard work will pay off.  In Episode I, that mysticism is replaced with a more cynical property - you can work all you want to but you'll never succeed unless these little things in your blood over which you have no control are in sufficient quantity.  In short, you're either born with talent or you're not, and no amount of work is going to fix that.  So, therefore, if we fail at elementary school math we should just throw in the towel and admit that we'll be coal shovelers for the rest of our lives?  We have no control over our destiny?  That's just a bit too depressing.  And our children are hearing this claptrap.  What effect do you think its having on them?

Fantastic explanation... hit the nail right on the head.