Forgotten Battles

[Manedew]

quick lists of things wrong with FB- things which makes you realize what HTC does right

 
 -No stall Horn ( your supposed to tell stall limits by screen shaking or Force Feedback,  BAH!)
 -Worst view system this side of the Pecos (no 6 view, yet allows 'no cockpit')
 -Crappy netcode (compared to AH) warp is handeled badly IMO
 -Stutters while loading objects (I have 128 MB vid card and 512MB sys mem-shouldn't stutter)


Pro's that make FB's worth seeing
 - Eye Candy,
 - gunnery (but with crappy view system this can be a con too)

[Pongo]

Have to dissagree with you jeezy. The gunnery system in AH is better and feels more realistic except at the extremes of range. Ah makes 700 yard + shots too easy. FB makes 200 yard shots too hard. But overall AH feels more right to me. And B17s were indeed shot down by 4 cannon interceptors in single passess. Quite regularly.

[MoMoney]

Maybe its just me but I feel no difference in FB's P-47- fully loaded or unloaded.  Take a different amo-load in AH and you will notice.  FB's flight models are way overrated.  I think some of the slow speed elements of the model may be better in FB's.  One thing about FB's.  Get slow-drop flaps and gear.  Ok-now go full throttle-hell-even dive! What happens? Nothing!  You speed will not change very much.  Like gear and flaps are magical speed breaks or somthing.   Crappy flight models really.  FB's has attracted a lot of "johnny come latelty's" with all the eye candy and all of a sudden-they become experts in FM's.  A joke really!

[Creamo]

-Worst view system this side of the Pecos (no 6 view, yet allows 'no cockpit')

Do you have TrackIR or a mouse? Good grief.

Il-2 fails marginally in the 6 view as it doesn’t compensate for torso movement in the hat views, as where AH exploits it, and doesn’t support mouse or TR at all. Yet you benchmark AH in comparison?

Your wrong, and HTC is right for catering to the gameplay tastes of the masses. I’d like a realism change however, and more features like IL-2  provides.

[Zigrat]

i dont think the view system is that bad as long as you fly on servers where you cant turn off cockpit. you can increase speed of snap view in ini file so it is very similar to aces high

i think gunnery is not too bad it takes getting used to. i am a pretty good shot with the taters now in the 109, took a while to get used to though.

i agree the pauses (only online) suck. i think it has to do with loading a new skin. mabye i need more ram or mabye that wont even help. well 512 mb of ram is only 40 bucks now (isn't that just sick)???

the FM is adequate I would say. aces high hits the numbers better IMO but feels a little too much like you're on rails, i think il-2 has a little more dynamic feel to it.

[CyranoAH]

Am I the only one that finds that there is no torque in FB? Just kick full throttle while on the ground and there you go, straight ahead and no sign of torque.

Daniel

[MoMoney]

When do I get off Probation?

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

There's quite a few issues with FB's FM... hopefully they'll fix it by the first patch, considering most of the omissions are in Il2, it's annoying to see they were either removed or not linked in the FB FM calculations.

No Torque, too little drag on certain planes, too much drag on others, apparently no weight with ordinance and no drag with external ordinance, and a couple other issues I've seen I can't remember right now.

I hope these missing features are from bugs or will be put back in during a patch.... and not a move towards the CFS series type of FMs.

Especially considering their are difficulty settings that can be toggled: "Torque and Gyro Effects" and "Gyro Effect" for things that aren't working in the game...
-SW

[Reschke]

I like both games for what they are...games. I don't profess to know exactly what a WW2 fighter or bomber flies or shoots like. I do however see the pluses and minuses of both games. For instance someone mentioned making a single pass on a B-17 and shooting it down in AH. Well I have tried that several times in F4U-1's and been successful in downing an entire 3 plane cell with less than 60% of my ammo gone. I have done it with P-47's in AH as well and used roughly the same ammo on the kills. I have noticed torque when running up the engine and have to compensate with the rudder on roll out.

The one bad thing about FB is this for me. With a 128MB video card, 512MB System RAM and the options not turned all the way up (just a couple clicked off for graphics speed) I still get pauses in gameplay when the enemy aircraft first pop into my views. Then I get a couple of others when either me or the enemy open fire the first time. I have had pauses last as long as a full minute or as short at 3-5 seconds depending on the terrain. I have noticed sound stutters as well and I know what that is caused by in my system.

System is as follows:
AMD 1.4 T-Bird
512MB PC2100 DDR
GF4 Ti4400 128MB
ASUS A7V266
IBM 13.6GB 7200 rpm
Maxtor 80GB 7200 rpm
Diamond MX300 (getting very long in the tooth with this one)

[MoMoney]

WHEN DO I GET OFF PROBATION??????

[jEEZY]

I enjoy AH for what it is: a balanced game.  However, at times AH's graphics (eye candy to some) seem dated, its gunnery a bit too easy to master, and FM that don't feel right (slow speed approaches is when it feels most unrealistic).  I play both and enjoy both, perhaps in a few months FB will fade--which it will--but I will still play AH because I enjoy the human element (and lots of it).  BUT, imo AH has some issues that should be addressed that would increase its future viability.

In response:  I doubt there was ever one instance of a b-17 exploding into thin air on one pass--perhaps being mortally wounded yes, but total and abrupt destruction no?  Perhaps with a well placed 88mm flak shell or a direct hit on an O2 bottle--but please total destruction?  Sorry I dont have the time to research this more to flesh out this issue a bit more would make an interesting paper: B-17's Survivability and the Leathality of the Luftwaffe Cannon: A Study. But alas my thesis was on Car Culture and its effect on American Armour tactics in the western front 1944-45.

FB is not the valhalla of games, but neither is AH--both have thier short comeings and strengths.

jeezy

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Are you saying planes don't go up in balls of fire in FB after a single pass?

I've gotten pretty good at taking He111s, Pe2s and Pe8s(The closest thing to a B17 in FB) out in a single pass with a Fw... the A4 or A5 model.

Just hit 'em in the bomb bay, and there's nothing left of 'em... sometimes they'll take out nearby Pe8s, your wingmen and you if you get too close.

There's plenty of accounts from WWII of B17, B24, B25, and B26 pilots watching their group or element leader, or wing elements disintegrating during fighter attacks. Flak never fired at bomber formations when fighters were attacking...
-SW

[MoMoney]

YES YES- When You get Slow !!!  Thats where FB's is good and AH is arcade like.  The rest of the flight envlope is much better in AH........................WHE N DO I GET OFF PROBATION???

[MoMoney]

I HAVE SOMETHING REALLY AMAZING TO SHARE WITH THE COMMUNITY AND I WANT TO POST IT.  I CANT WHILE ON PROBATION.  PLEASE TAKE ME OFF PROBATION OR SOMBODY CAN POST IT?  ITS AMAZING FIRST_HAND ACCOUNT OF FRIEND IN SAUDI DURING BOMBING!

[Furball]

Originally posted by MoMoney
I HAVE SOMETHING REALLY AMAZING TO SHARE WITH THE COMMUNITY AND I WANT TO POST IT.  I CANT WHILE ON PROBATION.  PLEASE TAKE ME OFF PROBATION OR SOMBODY CAN POST IT?  ITS AMAZING FIRST_HAND ACCOUNT OF FRIEND IN SAUDI DURING BOMBING!

WHAT?! you drunk/drugged up crazy bast!