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Offline Pongo

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« on: May 17, 2003, 12:14:05 PM »
"US troops will be given orders to arrest any Iraqis who carry or sell guns, it was announced today. The move is an attempt to end the chaos caused by gangs of looters and bandits."

LOL
Democrocy in Iraq evidently means a different thing than it means in America. Isnt a well armed populace a cornerstone of American Democracy?

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Offline Holden McGroin

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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2003, 12:32:26 PM »
"A well armed militia, being necesarry for the security of a free state, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Iraq is not yet a secure, free state.

An armed populace is meant as a balance to a totalitarian regime, and the second amendment was written with the idea of a relatively law abiding populace in mind.  It was not written amidst the chaos of anarchy.

Nice shallow argument though.
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2003, 12:36:50 PM »
Now you're just being retarded, Pongo.  But I appreciate that!


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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2003, 01:21:15 PM »
OK
there are two brainwashed idiots on record.
more?
We really should get everyone on record for when the US stops invading forign coutries for a while and these boards go back to thier usual fair of  automons debating gun control.

The silly thing is...and even holding his head should get this.. most gun owners in the states insist they need guns because the goverment cant really protect them and if society crumbles they will need a gun to survive in the anarchy that follows.
Yet in Iraq. Where the US has gone in and created that very situation that is the fear of every member of the NRA the republican administration of the conquored state declares it an offence simply to own a gun.Where there is absolutly no protection of the individual by the state they are to arbitrarily make a criminal of a man who totaly needs a gun to defend his family and property.
Yet we all know..and have heard time and time again..all this will do is disarm the law abiding..yet where is the out cry against it by the brainwashed gun loving masses?
Line up o ye brainwashed masses. Be counted. Support your down troden breathern in your newly "liberated" colony of Iraq.
Many have been the american that has touted on this board that they were willing to die to bring the freedoms they enjoyed to the people of Iraq. Why then not this fundimental American freedom?This symbol of who is a free man and who is a subject.
Why deny the Iraqi shop keeper the means to defend his family from the very real and present threat they face and that the US Army admits they can do almost nothing about.
When you take your dead children to the police station in Baghdad they only give you a death certificate. There is no investigation at all.

The Iraqi people know better then any non Native and non slave American every has, what it is like to live under a despotic oppressive goverment. Yet you deny them the means to protect themselves against that very thing. And of course. the american "press" is quiet.
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Offline Holden McGroin

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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2003, 01:43:43 PM »
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OK
there are two brainwashed idiots on record.
more?

The silly thing is...and even holding his head should get this..

non Native and non slave American every has,  


Excellent debating tactics.  When eloquence escapes you, call people names.

And as I have Pima heritage,  'Non-native' does not apply to me, and I have not lived under an oppressive regime as a Native American.

Now: please list the historical precedant for a military operation not attempting to disarm the opposition, and when that opposition was hidden among the populace, disarming the populace.

I can list historical precedant for the US military leaving defeated countries better operating democracies than before the US military was involved, and those democracies choosing to deal with personal gun ownership for themselves.
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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2003, 01:45:45 PM »
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We really should get everyone on record for when the US stops invading forign coutries for a while and these boards go back to thier usual fair of  automons debating gun control.


Pongo, normally, I wouldn't post anything that would be offensive to Canadians as a whole. And I still won't... In the past I've viewed you as somewhat intelligent.

But YOU are more brainwashed than you accuse others of being.

I suppose those people in Iraq would be happier being massacred by a brutal dictator than they would if they were "banned" from carrying weapons.

Your argument holds as much water as a seive, and your spewing forth of absolute nonesense has made me question your motives.

I see your post as nothing more than a ranting, aimed at your Anti-United States semtiments...

I'm disappointed :(
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2003, 01:47:12 PM »
I'm a brainwashed idiot because I understand the folly of comparing apples to oranges?

Are you angry today Pongo?  Perhaps you should take a stroll through the gardens or gaze out at the ocean for a while.  It's really pretty relaxing.


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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2003, 01:52:05 PM »
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I can list historical precedant for the US military leaving defeated countries better operating democracies than before the US military was involved, and those democracies choosing to deal with personal gun ownership for themselves.


None of these countries in the past reacted in the same way that the citizens of Iraq have done. There was no mass looting and lawlessness in Japan, for example.
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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2003, 02:01:33 PM »
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None of these countries in the past reacted in the same way that the citizens of Iraq have done. There was no mass looting and lawlessness in Japan, for example.


So what is your point?  That because Iraqi's have rioted they should keep their guns????
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2003, 02:14:51 PM »
The point is that one can't really compare Iraq to any other country where the U.S. successfully installed another form of government.
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2003, 02:16:22 PM »
Possibly,  time will tell.
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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2003, 02:19:42 PM »
I don't see what all that has to do with the fact that I own guns simply because I wanted to buy them.

I agree with you though Pongo, there's no reason to treat Iraq citizens like common Europeans.
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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2003, 02:44:06 PM »
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Originally posted by Pongo
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Democrocy in Iraq evidently means a different thing than it means in America. Isnt a well armed populace a cornerstone of American Democracy?

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According to Lazs more guns = less crime...So let them have their guns....
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2003, 02:54:39 PM »
It's sad to see people so desperate to point out the difficulties in trying to overthrow a regime and install a new gov't that they liken the current state of affairs in the US to Iraq.

Completely different environments.
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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2003, 03:01:12 PM »
I disagree with this developement.  All free iraqis should be able to defend themselves against lawlessness just as I can do here in the free state of Washington.    

This is why I support the 2nd amendmant.

Bad developement.  I hope the people restoring Iraq succeed.
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