Religion & Science

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Stang
Ok, maybe I missed the response somwhere, but the great library of Alexandria was NOT burned by Christians.  The library burned in 47BC I'm pretty sure, and Rome was not Christian until Constantine came to power in Rome after the battle of the milvian bridge, which was in the early 4th century AD (350+years later).  

So you're saying... no christians Before Christ?

Don't know if I buy that.  

[Stang]

Yeah, exactly

[Maniac]

Religion is for weak people....

[midnight Target]

In A. D. 391, riots instigated by fanatical Christians damaged the collection heavily. During the years between disastrous events, the library collection had been gradually restored.

[Hortlund]

LOL @ MT who doesnt seem to understand that his 'lil quote there doesnt really say anything to support his little crusade.

[midnight Target]

I don't know why, but I will attempt once more to be rational in the face of the your juvenile attacks Horty.

I wrote:

Some have speculated that the burning of the Library of Alexandria (by the Christians) may have cost us thousands of years of stored knowledge.

You Wrote:

(And MT...in your little crusade against Christians here, you should at least avoid making stuff up as you go. The library of Alexandria was gone in 20BC ...nice try trying to pin that on the Christians tard)

Followed by my correction of your historical knowledge...(excerpted for convenience)

During Julius Caesar's Alexandrian campaign in 47 B. C., Caesar set fire to ships in the port. The fire spread to the library, which was called the Museum at that time............In A. D. 391, riots instigated by fanatical Christians damaged the collection heavily. During the years between disastrous events, the library collection had been gradually restored........ Early in the year A. D. 642, Alexandria surrendered to Amrou, the Islamic general....... On the orders of Omar, Caliph of Baghdad, the entire collection of books (except for the works of Aristotle) stored at the Library of Alexandria were removed and used as fuel to heat water for the city's public baths.
 

So when you said the Library was GONE IN 20BC... you were..........WRONG!

Now what exactly is my crusade? And do you have anything constructive to add to the discussion?

[Syzygyone]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
So you're saying... no christians Before Christ?

Don't know if I buy that.  

Everyone knows they were called Pre-Christians then!
Sheesh!:rolleyes:

[Syzygyone]

Originally posted by Hortlund
LOL @ MT who doesnt seem to understand that his 'lil quote there doesnt really say anything to support his little crusade.

What I don't understand is that you have time to waste exchanging barbs with MT but you don't have time to respond to crucial Diplomacy Press.

[Hortlund]

To be honest MT, I dont know if you are deliberately acting dumb do get out of the discussion or if this is how you truly are.

The Library of Alexandria burned to the ground sometime BC. After that, a new library was built. If something happened to that library, another one was built. Then another one, etc etc. Because there is a library in Alexandria right now. But THAT is not THE Library of Alexandria, because THE library of Alexandria burned to the ground before the year 0. Get it?

Now when ppl are talking about the prizeless knowledge that was lost when the Library of Alexandria was destroyed, they are talking about THE library of Alexandria. Undoubtedly, knowledge is always lost when librarys are destroyed...heck I bet even some knowledge was lost when the library of Sarajevo was destroyed in the Bosnian war.  

But the reason your quote wont help in your crusade here is because
a) the real Library of Alexandria was destroyed hundreds of years before 391, and
b) Your quote doesnt really say anything other than that the (new) library was damaged during some riot, it doesnt really say what was damaged, how much was damaged, or whether those riots had the specific goal of destroying the library of Alexandria or whatever.

And no one can possibly have anything constructive to add to your crusade, since your crusade is nothing more than bitter ramblings by a tard. Sorry.

[Wanker]

God, Allah, Buddha(insert your diety of choice here) are all products of the mind....the imagination. It makes people feel better to believe in some higher being that loves them and takes care of them. If that makes you feel better, great. I have no problem with people who believe in a diety, as long as they don't use that belief to justify their oppression of a people whose beliefs differ, or those who don't have the faith.

Unfortunately, througout history, we(meaning the humans on this planet) have used their belief in a particular diety to justify imperialistic and/or oppressive behavior, and countless wars have been waged over religious differences.

As much as I would like to agree with my faithful friends, I believe that, unfortunately, there is no divine being, no diety, no God. So instead of relying on the power of God to works things out for us, I wish we would all start relying on the power of each other, as compassionate and thinking individuals, to solve the problems of today and tomorrow. "We're all in this together" seems to me a fitting phrase to describe our situation here on earth. There is no "God's plan" or "God's will". There is only "your plan" and "my plan" and "our will". Only by relying on the power of the people, and having faith in each other, can we continue to make this world a safer and more peaceful place for us all.

[Syzygyone]

Originally posted by banana
blabbity blah blah blah ......

No disrespect Wank, but you were sounding pretty touchy feely there so I just summarized the whole thread for ya', so's you could join me in telling Hortlund:

 TO ANSWER HIS G#$^%#*AMN DIPLOMACY PRESS

THANKS!;)

[Wanker]

LOL Syz, Hortlund hasn't answered my Diplomacy press, either.

[Syzygyone]

Originally posted by banana
LOL Syz, Hortlund hasn't answered my Diplomacy press, either.

That tears it then.  I'm gonna send him some bangers and fries but no Guiness!

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Hortlund
To be honest MT, I dont know if you are deliberately acting dumb do get out of the discussion or if this is how you truly are.

The Library of Alexandria burned to the ground sometime BC. After that, a new library was built. If something happened to that library, another one was built. Then another one, etc etc. Because there is a library in Alexandria right now. But THAT is not THE Library of Alexandria, because THE library of Alexandria burned to the ground before the year 0. Get it?

Now when ppl are talking about the prizeless knowledge that was lost when the Library of Alexandria was destroyed, they are talking about THE library of Alexandria. Undoubtedly, knowledge is always lost when librarys are destroyed...heck I bet even some knowledge was lost when the library of Sarajevo was destroyed in the Bosnian war.  

But the reason your quote wont help in your crusade here is because
a) the real Library of Alexandria was destroyed hundreds of years before 391, and
b) Your quote doesnt really say anything other than that the (new) library was damaged during some riot, it doesnt really say what was damaged, how much was damaged, or whether those riots had the specific goal of destroying the library of Alexandria or whatever.

And no one can possibly have anything constructive to add to your crusade, since your crusade is nothing more than bitter ramblings by a tard. Sorry.

I may be accused of acting dumb, but that just means I can stop while you have to live with it constantly.

Now read this carefully and

The history of the library falls into five stages. From its founding in 306 B.C.E. to about 150 B.C.E., it was populated by a large band of scholars from all over the world who lived on generous stipends from the Ptolemaic rulers of Egypt. These scholars applied Aristotle’s scientific method to every conceivable area of investigation, from the humanities to the exact sciences. The second period, which lasted from 150 B.C.E. to 30 B.C.E.—a turbulent time, when the Mediterranean world was being swept by the tidal wave of Roman conquest—was characterized by a radical shift from Aristotelian empirical research to the idealism of Plato. A new interest in religion and metaphysics came about, in an attempt to understand the meaning and purpose of life.

From 30 B.C.E until about 150 C.E., the teachings of the Jewish philosopher Philo Judaeus and the rise of Christianity most influenced life at the library. And during the next (fourth) phase, which lasted until 350 C.E., religion became increasingly important in the cultural life of Alexandria, with many systems of belief competing for supremacy: Christianity, the Hellenistic Judaism of Philo Judaeus, the Paganism of Rome, Gnosticism, the Roman brand of Iranian Mithraism and the Hellenistic Neoplatonism of philosophers such as Plotinus, Porphyry (c. 234-305 C.E.) and Hypatia (355-415 C.E.). The fifth and final phase, which lasted until the Arab conquest in the seventh century, was dominated by Christian theology and philosophy.

I will accept your apology in writing.

[Hortlund]

MT...sue your parents or your teacher or whatever...