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Offline canadagoose

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« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2003, 06:13:03 AM »
Well I found out how to be a hero. All I have to do is say anything that qualifies as a whine in someone elses view. Anyhow my hats are off to the Rooks for the organization that went to that night, guess that explains what happened to them all the night before when the Bish got the reset because they were too disorganized see they missed a chance to stop them. I would say my major beef is that when there are five hundred plus players on the small maps just don't work, when it is about three hundred they are ok but after that the whole arena turns into a street brawl. I am fairly new but the big push for new players a couple of months back seems to have changed the gameplay and so far I am not impressed with the effect.

Salute Rooks for the plan, and I am already drooling at the chance for revenge.

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« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2003, 06:43:23 AM »
Canada Goose,

You are quite right about small maps. Which is why HTC is starting to implement the larger maps. There are three in play right now (Trinity, Pizza, Infinity) but there needs to be more to replace the small maps. More people need to design and submit some to increase the available large maps.

As for the numbers the RJO (23 Rooks squads) plan one roughly once every three weeks or so and have been doing this for almost 2 years. Basically it large combined ops where one squad hosts and directs the others. So this is not a common problem of massive imbalance. It was a planned thing and their was a lot of effort put into getting squads to turn out for last night. Things should be back to normal in the arena until the next one several weeks from now.

I am not sure of the Knight and Bishop perspective but we started off with a plan of a massive bomber strikes on all the Bishop facilities. We started the night by sending out 100+ bombers with escorts against the Bishops strats. Then siezed several bishop fields and then GrimmCAF (CAF were hosting and he was the CiC for the event) turned us and instead of continuing to go after Bishops had us stop, do a 180 and attack the Knights. Was quite a thing to see the Rooks actually stop a drive and almost all turn and attack the other country instead of continuing against the one that we just had hit with 600,000+ lbs of bombs.

Was fun for us and don't worry its not a common occurance. You can't really organize something like this to happen every night, once a week, etc.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2003, 06:45:32 AM by ghostdancer »
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« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2003, 06:56:16 AM »
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Stay in canada,  ya never been really free so you don't know what it is to have a free choice in selecting where,when and who you play with.

and stop whinning , just join the unbalanced side and sit down.

god i'm awful.

actually i like canucks, i've riden a few of them when i was at Whidbey Island.


what is it with this guy? first he claims brits have no freedom of speech and now the canadians? sheesh he really needs to read his own laws to see who are the ones who made distributing certain undesirable materials illegal. The US has quite a few laws which on the surface totallly contradict their own freedom of speech claims. The word moron keeps popping into my head whenever i read bfreeks dross.
In the UK freedom of speech is so clear cut that we dont even bother to think about it.Its only the Americans who seem to keep bringing it up.I can say whatever i desire in the UK yet in the US I'd be arrested for flying a nazi swastika outside the whitehouse.(not that i would want to wave that trash of course)
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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2003, 07:02:07 AM »
Rooks and RJO!    LOL, its so nice to see someone take it to the Bish.

Now, is there a joint operations command for the Knights?   Or are they organizationally challenged?

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« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2003, 07:07:43 AM »
as a Knight 262's were 91 perks... Was a hoot flew all 262 sorties
 many targets few kills but gave me a chance to practice flying the rocket... The Rook numbers never achieve last nights so its not worth squeaking about....If it was so bad should have went to the CT for some action where they balance by choice...
 Some kids have to be given ideas what to do for fun others find ways to entertain themselves... There is less of the later...

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« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2003, 07:27:43 AM »
You should have seen the cost for a 262 on the Rook side. Almost hit 600 .. was like 597. F4U-1Cs were going at 26 points.
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« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2003, 08:14:38 AM »
Why don't the RJO annouce when this is going to happen next?

See if the kNights and Bish can do the same to have a true clash of countries.

(of course. 750 people in the MA would be a nightmare for HTC)


Anyway, WTG on a well laid plan Rooks. I did'nt like being on the receiving end, but got in some good sorties, and flew a cheap 262, cutting some bombers in half. Still fun!

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« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2003, 08:34:20 AM »
Hmm .. not a bad idea actually. We have also talked about if there was something similiar among the Knights or Bishops about asking to rent the SEA for a night and have the two organizations go head to head. Like a next step up from a squad duel .. a country duel.

But let me fire off a note to the other RJO squads about the idea of announcing one ops before hand and then letting the Knights or Bishops get ready for it.
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« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2003, 08:57:42 AM »
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Tonight for at least 5 hours I was in the MA when the Rooks had a numerical advantage of better than two to one. .... If Hitech is going to continue to get numbers of players like this on they need to do some forced parity in the countries as far as memberships. ... I know if the play is like tonight on a regular basis it will drive some away the game, myself included.


It was an organized anomaly, a gathering of Rook squadrons under a coordinated command.  You noticed that there were 8 to 12 attackers over each base along the front, rather than 20 or so pilots over just 2 or 3 bases as is the norm in the MA.  It happens once a month, and is refreshing after getting hammered by Bishops the other 28 nights.

There was a time (before December, 2002) when numerical advantage was consistently with the Bishops and the Rooks were consistently scarce.  HTC did do something about the unbalanced gameplay and introduced the weighted perk scale whereby the side with the most players gets the fewest perk points per mission and perk rides cost the most points to buy.  For Rooks last night, a Me262 was costing just under 500 perk points and our perk multiplier was somewhere around 0.82.  Meanwhile, 262s were on special clearance prices for Knights.

The Bishops still tend to have more pilots at any given time, but the numbers gap has closed slightly as individual players switch sides to take advantage of the perk system.  I think the biggest beneficiary of this new style of side switching is Rookland.  New players usually jump to the side with the most players (Bishops, for example) in order to take advantage of the "safety in numbers" strategy.  Then, after awhile when they've gotten some skills and want to build a perk bank and try the perk rides, they jump to the side with the fewest players, which is usually the Rooks, in order to build perk points faster and get perk rides cheaper.

The Rooks also have one advantage in being smaller - Rook pilots keep seeing the same other Rook pilots each night and there comes a feeling of familiarity with each other, which breeds cooperation.  Its hard to be anonymous when you know you're going to see that guy tomorrow night.  The guy whose kill you steal today might be the guy who refuses to bring you supplies tomorrow night when your Tiger is dead in its tracks.  

And of course there's the retribution factor.  After rolling across the map unchecked last night, I fully expect Rooks to be rolled upon tonight, and the night after that, and the night after that, which really wasn't too much different from what was happend two nights ago, and the night before that, and the night before that.  If I'm not mistaken, Bishops won the last 2 or 3 resets of this week's map.

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« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2003, 09:15:09 AM »
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It's like Aces High is chess, and the Rooks are the chessmasters!

-- Todd/Leviathn


yes I agree levi....they are the Chessmasters of Cherry Picking and Individualistic flyin......last time I was rooks I prefered gettin my teeth pulled out WITHOUT novacaine.....


just imagine if they win 2 in a row.......King of the World....eh levi:rolleyes:

enjoy....:p

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« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2003, 09:20:37 AM »
"If I'm not mistaken, Bishops won the last 2 or 3 resets of this week's map."

True, but the guy that started this thread was a Knight. Last night might not have been so bad if the rooks had not bravely decided to change course and bully the already smallest and overwhelmed country.  (I suppose the chances of success must have looked a lot better.)

Side balance is a problem more times than not lately.  However, nobody forces anyone to be a whipping boy.  If you don't like getting gang raped, join the other side or (as I did) log off.  It's a big world out there.

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« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2003, 09:22:33 AM »
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Hmm .. not a bad idea actually. We have also talked about if there was something similiar among the Knights or Bishops about asking to rent the SEA for a night and have the two organizations go head to head. Like a next step up from a squad duel .. a country duel.

But let me fire off a note to the other RJO squads about the idea of announcing one ops before hand and then letting the Knights or Bishops get ready for it.


I like the SEA idea. Its like "TOD/SquadOps" but with unrestricted planesets.

The problem with pre-announced JO in the MA is that one squad could get on there early and trash everything beforehand. :(

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« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2003, 09:28:41 AM »
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"If I'm not mistaken, Bishops won the last 2 or 3 resets of this week's map."

True, but the guy that started this thread was a Knight. Last night might not have been so bad if the rooks had not bravely decided to change course and bully the already smallest and overwhelmed country.  (I suppose the chances of success must have looked a lot better.)

Side balance is a problem more times than not lately.  However, nobody forces anyone to be a whipping boy.  If you don't like getting gang raped, join the other side or (as I did) log off.  It's a big world out there.


You know, that gives me an idea.

RJO with MAW and Damned.

Hitting the Bishops.

From 2 sides.

The naval powerhouse would be amazing.

How long would it take to get the reset?  Think we could do it in less than 4 or 5 hours?

Would the MAW and Damned be satisfied with hitting Bishops without getting the benefit of the perk points from a reset?

Not that I have any say-so.  Heck, I was barely a contributor last night.

Something to consider....

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« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2003, 09:30:17 AM »
So eh... Bish... when are we going to do this?  I need to pad my score after last night.

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« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2003, 09:31:50 AM »
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You know, that gives me an idea.

RJO with MAW and Damned.

Hitting the Bishops.

From 2 sides.

The naval powerhouse would be amazing.

How long would it take to get the reset?  Think we could do it in less than 4 or 5 hours?

Would the MAW and Damned be satisfied with hitting Bishops without getting the benefit of the perk points from a reset?

Not that I have any say-so.  Heck, I was barely a contributor last night.

Something to consider....



my my my...already been tried on infinity.....why you think we call it infinity......:D

still takes ya weeks...crooks/nits working together to even come close to resetting  Bishops.....