Nath's ban; quickie questions to HTC

[Kieran]

 

Originally posted by Animal:
Thats right Rip.
If Nath hadnt been such a good pilot, people would have not cared for his behaviour in the first place.
Its the fact that he pissed them off and he beat them, too.

Er, no. I think Rip meant that no one would be defending him if he wasn't a great pilot.

There have been others that have been tucked into a closet before, and you didn't see this kind of response. None of them had a sliver of Nath's talent, either.

[mrfish]

 

Originally posted by elstevie:
gunman26?ha-ha hee-hee tough guy on the buffer sounds like a little girl on RW.
Tune him in you will see    

bwahahaha lmao  

[Tjay]

Is there a case here for some customer feedback? I realise that HT had the final word but how about HTC setting up a mechanism by which we, the paying customers, have some say in this?
HTC can't police the arena all the time, but we can. If there was a PUBLIC way of reporting these guys,two things might happen:
1. HTC would quickly become aware of individuals who were pissing off the community at large but who he may not have personally come across.
2. The individuals concerned, seeing their names coming up on this 'board' all the time and knowing what the implications are, might -just might - decide to back off.
I appreciate that one or two people might try to use the system to conduct private vendettas against individuals who they just don't like. But 'posts' of this nature would soon be exposed for what they are by the lack of any supporting testimony. So the guys doing it would just look pretty stupid and soon get the message.
How about it?

[Jekyll]

 

Originally posted by Dingy:
I think the difference is that Nath personally attacked the staff at HTC whereas the other idiots you mentioned are just being obnoxious.  

So my take on the guidelines are thus: if you are going to call ANYONE an amazinhunk, make sure they dont work for HTC.

-Ding

OK so let me get this clear in my head.  There is a guy on these boards who regularly posts about the 'idiotic perk point system'.

Now my dictionary defines an 'idiot' as, inter alia, "a mentally retarded person .....", and an 'idiotic idea' as "a thought or concept put forward or proposed by an idiot".

Now the perk point system was, of course, an idea of HT's.  Therefore, this individual is directly criticising HT as an idiot each and every time he posts about the 'idiotic perk point system'.

Has he been threatened with banning?  Has he been emailed by HTC warning of a possible life ban if he continues to complain?

Was it because Nath made his comments on open channel, where up to 260 people could see what he was saying?  Well, how many people read THESE boards, and read of the complaints about the 'idiotic perk point system'.

OK, insult the developers and expect to be banned - that's fine.  But does it apply to everyone?

[Thunder]

I have no comment on Naths banning..... but he is one of the most skilled pilots I ever fought or flew with. It is a loss for the game not to be able to fly against the few great ones that come along. I wish he had not behaved the way he did and I accept HTCs desission. There is a lot to learn from fighting with pilots like NathNBP but there is a very important lesson for us all to learn. We all need to show each other and HTC staff.....RESPECT & COURTESY ...
 
<S> NathBDP... (as a pilot)... if you ever read this.

Thunder

[Glasses]

<cough> double standard<cough>

[Yeager]

but he is one of the most skilled pilots I ever fought or flew with. It is a loss for the game not to be able to fly against the few great ones that come along.
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Jeepers Thunder, he wasnt like scop or anything  

SCOP IS GOD! KILL KILL KILL!!!!

Y

[Dead Man Flying]

 

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Sometimes its not a matter of who deserves to be banned, but rather who asked for it.

The other week, Citabria went off on Channel 1 after being shot down in a Tempest.  He managed to insult both those of Japanese heritage and homosexuals in one sentence while also throwing out a number of other colorful words.  This went on for five minutes.

He then insisted that he hoped such actions would result in his banning.

You can't "ask for it" any more clearly than that IMO, and yet to my knowledge HTC did not ban him for it.  It does raise some questions of double standards.

-- Todd/DMF

[SethK]

Originally posted by elstevie:
gunman26?ha-ha hee-hee tough guy on the buffer sounds like a little girl on RW.
Tune him in you will see


gee i wonder why i say half the toejam i do

bring it on sissy...ill stomp a mudhole in ya

[LePaul]

Nath has been in the chat room a few times, and struck me as pretty civil, maybe even humbled about being punted.  Dunno, whether Nath will ever be allowed back into Aces High rate up there with 'Are there such things as ghosts?' and 'Are there really UFOs?".  In short, I don't know the answer and don't suspect we'll really ever know.  Nath ran his mouth off pretty good to the boss-man (i was online when he was doing this) and all but played chicken with HiTech to be banned.  He lost, and he's out.  Does he have regrets?  Probably.  But those are the rules, and HiTech can make exceptions as he sees fit.  Not what WE see fit.

Gunman is getting up there on the amazinhunk list.  I've flown with him as a Bish and now fly against him as a Knight.  Both times I couldnt beleive the things he was saying.

What is clear to me is that since Nath got throw out, the effort to moderate the main arena has disappeared.  For a while, radio channel 1 was so sweet and nice, I thought you guys were going put the local florists outta biz, wanting to buy each other purty-little-flowers    But now its back to its old self, with a few notables like Gunman pissing people off.  Where, I ask, is the moderators?

2 cents aired  




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BD-5 "T" (TurboProp) 90% complete, first flight in 2001 (We hope!)

[Robert]

I try not to post to these boards to much or for the matter of fact talk on
the radio in the main arena. Every time I do it starts a major stink for some
reason. When some one owns a business and they are having trouble out of the
employees or the customers the OWNERS have to step up and make and example out
of someone to try and calm things down. To me Nath was the example that didn't
change anything. The radio buffer in the arena is still bad.
If Htc lets Nath come back they will be showing a sign of weakness.
THEN AGAIN Everyone deserves the chance to redeem themselves for the mistakes they make.
This is a very tough judgement call for HTC that im glad i don't have to make.
I myself think Nath deserves another chance. If I were HTC I would let him come
back but if I so much as heard one whine one whimper out of him he would be gone
for good.

RWY

[Dago]

I am sorry to say this, but some of the posts in this thread strike me as a little pathetic.

Whether Nath was any good in AH is absolutely irrelevant. Completly irrelevant. What happened to him was of his own doing, his behaviour went way over the line.

Have others behaved badly? Yes, absolutely.
Have they been banned? No, certainly not all, if any of them.  

Why is that and is it fair?

Maybe they weren't observed by HTC.  Maybe they are guilty of just one or two occasions of bad judgement.  Maybe they weren't stupid enough to repeatadly poke HT in the eye.

Is it fair that Nath got banned and not the others?  It doesnt matter. Nope, not a bit. He did what he did, and now he pays the price.  Guess what?  Life isn't fair. Damn near nothing is fair.  The plain simple fact is that Nath did what he did and now he has to accept the consequences. REGARDLESS of the fact that others have acted badly and not been banned.  

To say "so and so did this" or "some other guy did that" as a reason Nath shouldnt be banned is ridiculous.  

Should gunman26 be banned? I havent heard his nonsense myself, I normally squelch ch 1, but from what I hear, hell yes he should. But dont use this one jerks sorry case of arrested mental developement as an excuse for Naths behavior.

My opinion is this, everything else is irrelevant, he was warned, he continued to act badly, and he pays the price.

Dago

[AKDejaVu]

 

You can't "ask for it" any more clearly than that IMO, and yet to my knowledge HTC did not ban him for it. It does raise some questions of double standards.

No, double standards have nothing to do with it.  If anyone would have gone of on HT that day the same way Nath did, they would have been banned.

Being warned and doing it anyways is an open invitation.

Let me point out.. I'm not saying one deserved it more than the other.  I'm just saying that one didn't know when to shut up.

AKDejaVu

[rosco-]

  You know whats kind of funny?

  Hes been banned for how long now? And you mention his name in a thread and its guaranteed to land 50 to 100 replys  

 Nath the guy people love to hate  

[Dead Man Flying]

 

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
No, double standards have nothing to do with it.  If anyone would have gone of on HT that day the same way Nath did, they would have been banned.

Really?  Then what's this I keep reading about how Nath's perma-ban was not the result of one single incident but rather the culmination of months of anti-social behavior?  Which is it?

 

Being warned and doing it anyways is an open invitation.

Sure.  I've never once argued that Nath's actions didn't deserve banning.  What StSanta's arguing -- and I agree with him -- is that others have behaved in similarly disruptive ways without suffering the same consequences.  If the only way to warrant a ban is through a direct attack on a HTC employee, then I see a future full of disruptive players ruining the game for others with impunity.

-- Todd/DMF