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« Reply #60 on: February 24, 2004, 12:49:24 PM »
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Now, if you would mosey over to the Middle East, you'll find all manner of god-fearing folks who jump at the opportunity to meet their god.


Don't you mean to say...

you'll find all manner of god-fearing folks who self explode at the opportunity to meet their god.

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« Reply #61 on: February 24, 2004, 12:57:25 PM »
Kieran, I didn't mean to portray all Catholics as anti-Semetic.  Not sure where this comes from.

Frog...he may be just another man to you and I...but to pious Catholics he is much, much more.  If he claims it is the truth..then millions upon millions of Catholics worldwide will think so too.

THAT is how he differes from you and I...his influence.
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« Reply #62 on: February 24, 2004, 12:58:03 PM »
That and we dont crap our pants.

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« Reply #63 on: February 24, 2004, 01:02:49 PM »
Frog your colostomy bag doesn't count.

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« Reply #64 on: February 24, 2004, 01:03:21 PM »
My mom said it did!

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« Reply #65 on: February 24, 2004, 01:08:02 PM »
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That and we dont crap our pants.


ROFL...sorry to any Catholics out there that might take offense, but that was funny.
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« Reply #66 on: February 24, 2004, 02:44:45 PM »
let's bump it through Easter :)
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« Reply #67 on: February 24, 2004, 03:24:32 PM »
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So you are saying your outlook on life has changed and this movie moved you spiritually?

:aok

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« Reply #68 on: February 24, 2004, 04:26:23 PM »
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Funked...two dictinctly different points I was making, sorry I wasn't clear.

The first point is that he (Mel) has a "bias" against Jewish people by virtue of his membership in this sect.

The second point is that for those Christians who take this film as the "truth" and act out on their emotions and actually hate (or hurt) Jews because they were "responsible" for Jesus' death are idiots.


Curv ... I watched the Diane Saywer interview with Mel and got a complete OPPOSITE opinion of what Mel believes in and what his church is all about.

He was asked point blank if he was ant-semetic and he said to the effect ... "that the covenant of my faith does not allow it. If you have true christian beliefs, and I am a true christian, then I cannot harbour hate for the Jews."

The highest ranking Jewish Rabbi in the US said that he whole-heartedly believe that this movie does not promote anti-semetisim, but believes that the simple masses could take what is portrayed in the movie and use it to spark anti-semetisim.
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« Reply #69 on: February 24, 2004, 05:27:32 PM »
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I bet it is torn apart by a religious leader for being blasphemous before the critics ever get a hold of it.


Not this one.

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« Reply #70 on: February 26, 2004, 07:55:07 AM »
I really did not know what to expect. I was thrilled to have been
invited to a private viewing of Mel Gibson's film "The Passion,"
but I had also read all the cautious articles and spin. I grew up
in a Jewish town and owe much of my own faith journey to the
influence. I have a life long, deeply held aversion to anything
that might even indirectly encourage any form of anti-Semitic
thought, language or actions.
 
I arrived at the private viewing for "The Passion," held in
Washington, DC and greeted some familiar faces. The    environment was
typically Washingtonian, with people greeting you with a smile but
seeming to look beyond you, having an agenda beyond the words. The
film was very briefly introduced, without fanfare, and then the
room darkened. From the gripping opening scene in the Garden of
Gethsemane, to the very human and tender portrayal of the earthly ministry of Jesus, through the betrayal, the arrest, the scourging, the way of the cross, the encounter with the thieves, the surrender on the Cross, until the final scene in the empty tomb, this was not simply a movie; it was an encounter, unlike anything I have ever experienced.

In addition to being a masterpiece of film-making and an artistic
triumph, "The Passion" evoked more deep reflection, sorrow and
emotional reaction within me than anything since my wedding, my
ordination or the birth of my children. Frankly, I will never be
the same. When the film concluded, this "invitation only" gathering of "movers and shakers" in Washington, DC were shaking indeed, but this time from sobbing. I am not sure there was a dry eye in the place. The crowd that had been glad-handing before the film was now eerily silent. No one could speak because words were woefully inadequate. We had experienced a kind of art that is a rarity in life, the kind that makes heaven touch earth.

One scene in the film has now been forever etched in my mind. A
brutalized, wounded Jesus was soon to fall again under the weight of the cross. His mother had made her way along the Via Della Rosa.  As she ran to him, she flashed back to a memory of Jesus as a child, falling in the dirt road outside of their home. Just as she reached to protect him from the fall, she was now reaching to touch his wounded adult face. Jesus looked at her with intensely probing and passionately loving eyes (and at all of us through the screen) and said "Behold I make all things new." These are words taken from the last Book of the New Testament, the Book of Revelations.  Suddenly, the purpose of the pain was so clear and the wounds, that earlier in the film had been so difficult to see in His face, His back, indeed all over His body, became intensely beautiful. They had been borne voluntarily for love.

At the end of the film, after we had all had a chance to recover,
a question and answer period ensued. The unanimous praise for the film, from a rather diverse crowd, was as astounding as the
compliments were effusive. The questions included the one question that seems to follow this film, even though it has not yet even been released. "Why is this film considered by some to be
'anti-Semitic?" Frankly, having now experienced (you do not "view" this film) "the Passion" it is a question that is impossible to answer. A law professor whom I admire sat in front of me. He raised his hand and responded "After watching this film, I do not understand how anyone can insinuate that it even remotely presents that the Jews killed Jesus. It doesn't." He continued "It made me realize that my sins killed Jesus" I agree. There is not a scintilla of anti-Semitism to be found anywhere in this powerful film. If there were, I would be among the first to decry it. It faithfully tells the Gospel story in a dramatically beautiful,sensitive and profoundly engaging way. Those who are alleging otherwise have either not seen the film or have another agenda behind their protestations. This is not a "Christian" film, in the sense that it will appeal only to those who identify themselves as followers of Jesus Christ. It is a deeply human, beautiful story that will deeply touch all men and women. It is a profound work of art. Yes, its producer is a Catholic Christian and thankfully has  remained faithful to the Gospel text; if that is no longer acceptable behavior than we are all in trouble. History demands that we remain faithful to the story and Christians have a right to tell it. After all, we believe that it is the greatest story ever told and that its message is for all men and women. The greatest right is the right to hear the truth.

We would all be well advised to remember that the Gospel
narratives to which "The Passion" is so faithful were written by
Jewish men who followed a Jewish Rabbi whose life and teaching have forever changed the history of the world. The problem is not the message but those who have distorted it and used it for hate rather than love. The solution is not to censor the message, but rather to promote the kind of gift of love that is Mel Gibson's filmmaking masterpiece, "The Passion." It should be seen by as many people as possible. I intend to do everything I can to make sure that is the case. I am passionate about "The Passion."

Mel Gilbson stated he did not appear in his own movie, by his
choice, with one exception: It is Gibson's hands seen nailing Jesus
to the cross. Gibson said he wanted to do that because it was
indeed his own hands that nailed Jesus to the cross (along with all of ours.)

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I got this by e-mail this morning.

This review, written by someone who appears to have many of the same feeling I do about Judaism, makes me really want to see this film.

I'm happy to note that my fears regarding anti-semitism appear to be unjustified.

I still have a problem with the film being billed as The Truth, but I will reserve judgement until I see it.
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« Reply #71 on: February 26, 2004, 08:11:08 AM »
The people most angered and speaking out against the story of this film are those that have thought themselves into a very uninspiring form of non-belief, or should I say -believe that they are simply animals with no chance at a lasting spirit.

What a drag it must be to think of oneself as simply an animal with a spirit that dies forever with the body.

Have at it, your fate is gauranteed :aok
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« Reply #72 on: February 26, 2004, 09:13:13 AM »
I saw The Passion of Christ.

Its moving. It isn't what I was wanting, though. I wanted truth in every way... maybe my expectations were too high.

I am a voracious reader. One of my favorite authors is James Michener, who wrote historical novels. His research is/was always exhaustive in every single detail. It means a lot to me in terms of my enjoyment. I like to see the same thing in movies, especially a movie about Christ.

In the film you see the nail pounded through the timber of the cross that Jesus was crucified on. The nail was longer than the timber was thick, so it came out the other side. The camera showed blood seeping and dripping from the distal end of the nail out the other side. This is quite impossible under the circumstances. It was an oversight that kind of ticked me off. I give this as an example of some trivia that stole from my enjoyment.

Making a film about the last hours of Jesus Christ is necessarily a tableau rather than a story that has time to develop characters and so on. This film relies heavily on what you already know and believe. You wouldn't really get it if you didn't already know the story. It isn't the kind of story that stands alone.

Overall, I thought it was simplistic. The portrayal of Christ's suffering was a bit overdone. I noticed one scene where you can see that the actor portraying Christ is wearing a rubber flesh suit - allowing us to see lacerations in real time during his scourging. I didn't think that was necessary. At the same time, I felt there was not enough examples of Christ's giving, and compassion. The movie needed more of that.

I did get angry with the Jews in this movie, who are portrayed not very attractively, other than Jesus, Mary and some others. There is an ugliness to all the antagonist characters. Almost all the Romans were sadistic brutes, with yellow teeth. I don't buy it.

Maybe it was symbolism, but it detracted from my experience because I would rather see something that I can believe was actually the way it was in the time of Christ, which leads to my next point.

The single thing that contributed most to this film is the language that was spoken. I really like this aspect of it . As a child I was forced to go to Mass every morning before school, 1st through 12th grade. The Mass was spoken in Latin, and the nuns and priests who educated me taught me the language in school (or as much as I could absorb  ). I enjoyed recognising some of the words spoken, ie: "veritas" which meant "truth" in those times. That is the root of our modern word "veracity", which means having the quality of truth.

Its worth seeing...
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« Reply #73 on: February 26, 2004, 10:41:05 AM »
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The people most angered and speaking out against the story of this film are those that have thought themselves into a very uninspiring form of non-belief, or should I say -believe that they are simply animals with no chance at a lasting spirit.

What a drag it must be to think of oneself as simply an animal with a spirit that dies forever with the body.

Have at it, your fate is gauranteed :aok


wow yeager your full of pride and quite boastfull. Isnt that sin? You seem very vindictive as well, almost excited that our souls are not saved and yours is. Not quite the christian you make yourself out ot be.

Maybe you should follow Jesus's teachings and lead by example of being a good person instead of proclaiming how your soul is saved and everyone else's is not.

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« Reply #74 on: February 26, 2004, 11:16:00 AM »
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