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« Reply #75 on: August 02, 2003, 09:38:51 AM »
No problem with a seperate black history class if..... there is funding and every other ethnic group has the same opportunity to have a seperate history.   I really think that hispanic history is at least as important to the U.S. as black history for example.    If you only have "history" and "black history" offered then you have no right to get upset when people point out the racism involved in the concept...  you have no right to play the racism card when people point out how silly that is and how.... racist.   Also... If I am hiring an engineer I would want the one who took 30 or 40 extra science classes instead of the one who took 30 or 40  extra "black" classes or gay classes or pottery making or tiedye shirt making or ...

Why couldn't we simply have an extensive library and allow everyone in school to use it?   Perhaps one term paper could be on whatever "culture" in American history the student wanted it to be on after he did the research...  bet they would learn more.  
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« Reply #76 on: August 02, 2003, 11:24:34 AM »
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If I am hiring an engineer I would want the one who took 30 or 40 extra science classes instead of the one who took 30 or 40  extra "black" classes or gay classes or pottery making or tiedye shirt making or ...


Sorry, Affirmative Action will not allow the use of common sense in the hiring of indivduals to private firms.  Your post and IP address have been recorded and sent to top officials at AA.  Have a nice day!  ;)
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« Reply #77 on: August 03, 2003, 09:09:41 AM »
My grand daughter is half "hispanic" (whatever that means).... I can see why she needs to know about history.   If she were to study any extra history I would think that black history would be less interesting to her than "hispanic" history... as a bonus... "hispanic" history would actually be useful and be a large part of the American historical experiance.   When talking about railroads, asian history should probly be touched on.

"Black history"   what a bunch of crybabies.
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« Reply #78 on: August 03, 2003, 02:55:42 PM »
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My grand daughter is half "hispanic" (whatever that means).... I can see why she needs to know about history.   If she were to study any extra history I would think that black history would be less interesting to her than "hispanic" history... as a bonus... "hispanic" history would actually be useful and be a large part of the American historical experiance.   When talking about railroads, asian history should probly be touched on.

"Black history"   what a bunch of crybabies.
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Lazs, my wife is half white, half hispanic.  I asked her what she thought of the whole history issue and her reply, "History sucks."  :D
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« Reply #79 on: August 03, 2003, 05:06:53 PM »
I'm all for 'black history' as long as all other ethnic groups are represented in similar electives.

 Although, in most of the history classes I went to we never really discussed the race of the person.  sometimes if they immigrated here you would get hints ( "he immigrated from Germany in his 20's", a fairly safe bet he was white)

but nobody sat up there and said " ‘poor Richards almanac’ was written by Ben Franklin. A white man "
basically we studied what happened the names of the key players and what they contributed.

  when race was mentioned it usually was to point out that the person was of a minority group.  I found the mentioning of the race of the person kinda condescending and insulting to the man (sort of like 'he accomplished these great things in spite of his race'. instead of letting his deeds speak for him, and ignoring the irrelevant)

  I'd think a special class in black history would be an amplified version of this.  if I felt my race (or ethnic group, gender, religious group) wasn't fairly represented, my push would be to point out people who where overlooked,  the greatness of their contributions and have it included in the regular history class.  

having a regular history class and a separate class for black history would tend to give the impression that the historical contribution of blacks(or others) couldn't compete to stand out in a regular class and need  a special class oriented just on them for their contributions to be noticed (not true at , but that is the impression I’d expect people to take from the situation).  

to me a special class for black history while not providing them for all the other groups gives the appearance of the black contribution as sort of a 'special Olympics of history',  if I was black I imagine I'd be terribly offended.

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« Reply #80 on: August 03, 2003, 06:11:45 PM »
I think that learning about  US history through examining diverse cultural perspectives could be a good thing for education. Im still not sure if creating seperate versions of US history will better prepare the young students for their futures but thats a matter for the educators decide. I think a semester or year long project based on minority studies would be a fair idea to impliment. Basically you study your comon US history, then you also have to turn in a long report based on your chosen minority history, due at the end of the semester or year. Thats what I would do if I were a teacher, to the dispair of all my students, f*k, more homework!

Course that report should be like at least 25% of your overall grade for HS US history.

Most important thing I think is to stay on the same page in class.
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« Reply #81 on: August 04, 2003, 08:58:27 AM »
American history? Two, three hundred years? Seems to me you could fit it all in, white, black whatever you want. Try doing history in an average European country. 1000 years shall we say, not to mention world history on top of that.

It seem to me that this argument is not so much about teaching or history as about current politics and racism and the way some Americans seem to get themselves so contorted over this issue.   America is a country of amazing contrasts, absurd political correctness and absurd prejudice. Meanwhile life goes on as it always has for most normal middle of the road  people.

History has always  been used and abused for the purposes of the person teaching it at the time.

Interesting that this whole thread was started by a Swede and helped by Grunherz.

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« Reply #82 on: August 04, 2003, 10:08:13 AM »
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...but thats a matter for the educators decide.


Mr. Coffee, that's the most dangerous statement in the entire post.:eek:
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