Time To Do Away With AWACS Datalink?

[Fatty]

I agree.

Let's keep the current dar, but add altitude information as well.

[hblair]

Nothing personal maverick. Sorry if I went overboard.

But it's hard to be serious when you post stuff like this:
 

The dar feature in this game is an option. By that I mean, all you have to do to ignore it is not open your clipboard. Don't like it? Don't use it just like combat trim. Please just don't advocate taking something away merely because you don't like it.

Do you guys not see what we're saying? We're not talking about what you or I see on our clipboard, but the way the powerful radar we have affects the dynamics of the main arena. It inhibits organized raids to the point that they are rarely successful. I'm talking about balancing it out so the strat guys can have fun AND the furballers can have fun. What part of that do you not understand? You're trying to argue a one dimensional point with out even recognizing that yes, in fact, there is a big picture here to also take into account -balancing it out so all players can do their thing with a reasonable chance of success.

[hblair]

Originally posted by Fatty:
I agree.

Let's keep the current dar, but add altitude information as well.

Hey yeah, good idea. Also, I want to know what pilot I'm up against. Would make it cool as all get out! I like that idear. They had that tacknology in WWII. My uncle said so!
 

[Reschke]

Nifty,

If I remember correctly the radar the Brits used during the early parts of the war could not separate bombers from fighters. They could however tell by the size of the radar return in the area the approximate number of planes in the raid. This coupled with the fact that they knew how the Germans flew and what routes and bases their bombers came from helped them more than the radar returns. I remember reading where several of the radar operators (women btw) became so good at estimating the altitude based on the radar returns they saw that RAF Fighter Command trusted them to vector the fighters into that part of the sky. As a result the radar operators became even better in that area.

Now I would like to see an altitude display on the dot radar in the towers only. While the bar radar representing a vector and estimated altitude information being passed on by the tower radar shown on your clipboard.

One thing I don't like is Rips idea of all planes at all altitudes within 25 miles of a field being visible on radar. I would go for something like a 10 mile radius of the base though but 25 is to big since the sector grids are only 25 across (right?).

[funkedup]

Am I reading Maverick wrong or is he saying that there should never be any changes to the MA?

[lazs1]

So hblair... you are saying that the current dar does not allow you to sneak up on someone or to gangbang or to milkrun a field?
lazs

[Gadfly]

Just a note to Mavrick-Combat Trim, Auto takeoff, etc are a personal choice, i.e. they affect only the person who chooses them.  AWACS data, on the other hand, has an effect on you, no matter if you look at your clipboard or not, kind of like turning off icons on your FE..

[Apache]

"Radar, where is that buff formation?!"
"Radar, where is that buff formation?!"
"Radar, where is that buff formation?!"
"Why the @#$% isn't radar answering?!"
"Will someone please go to a tower & man the radar?!"
"SOMEONE PLEASE VECTOR ME IN!!!!!"
"Radar, you said the buffs were at 10,5,5 heading north!"
"You don't know your @#$ from a hole in the ground!!!"
"Sheesh. Everybody wants to fly! Why won't you man the @#$% radar?!"

Yeah. Would be a lot of fun wouldn't it?

[funkedup]

I have a simple solution that uses the personal choice principle.  How about a setting that can only be changed offline (like the video settings).  This is the No Radar button.  When you choose this setting, you do not have access to the in-flight radar screen.  And your aircraft does not show up on enemy in-flight radar screens.  Then I could truly ignore radar as Maverick states.

Let the short-attention-span/visually-impaired crowd play their game, and the rest of us will play ours.  Seems like an ideal solution.

[ 11-29-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]

[K West]

Love that idea best of all those proposed Funkedup.  Very much so.

 That would allow me to hunt (or be hunted, for if I'm not on radar I certainly do not get radar info from the host) with my own instincts versus simply vectoring towards the enemy "dots" as displayed by the "all seeing" arena radar.

 And folks who want radar can certainly have it.

 Westy

[ 11-29-2001: Message edited by: O'Westy ]

[Revvin]

I'd like no radar at all inflight but at the very least I'd like to see no dar under say 300-500ft so we can fly NOE for a reason other than 'its fun'

[Apache]

<S> Westy.
I disagree with your interpretation of the MA. The MA is about just that, the fight. Why did HT put in the effort of coding the radar such as he did? IMO, it was to facilitate the ease of entering into battle. Yes, I said ease and thats not about WWII air combat, I know, but put restrictions on people and they are going to get bored.

For example. What if someone were to do a sim about law enforcement? Chasing bad guys, shooting it out with drug dealers, car chases down crowded highways, facing a suicidal suspect face to face and all the on the spot decision making. Lots of action!!

Guess what? I can tell ya from experience. If it was made "realistic", 90% of the game would bore you out of your skull.

[funkedup]

Revvin you mean doing things other than finding the nearest furball can be fun?  And that changing the "radar rules" might encourage more diverse behavior of this sort, and lead to more fun for many players?  Blasphemy!!!  

[ 11-29-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]

[hblair]

Lazs, not even worth responding too. Not trolled in the slightest. Try harder.

Apache, I've started a thread
for your re-education.

 

[Maverick]

Originally posted by funkedup:
Am I reading Maverick wrong or is he saying that there should never be any changes to the MA?

Yes funked you are reading me wrong. I NEVER said that.