Author Topic: Time To Do Away With AWACS Datalink? (Read 2595 times)

funkedup · « **Reply #60 on:** November 29, 2001, 03:30:00 PM »

OK

Apache · « **Reply #61 on:** November 29, 2001, 03:32:00 PM »

hehe hblair. I may be not only be in left field but completely over the fence but the debate among friends is fun tho ain't it

funkedup · « **Reply #62 on:** November 29, 2001, 03:32:00 PM »

BTW Everybody read my first post again. I'd like to see revised and more realistic radar in the MA. But I'm not insisting on it. If it's really going to spoil the fun of a lot of people, then don't change the MA. If HTC could set up a viable alternative to the MA (something the CT is not) with more realistic settings I would be all for it.

However I do think that the predictions of doom for an AWACS-free MA are a bit overmodeled.

[ 11-29-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]

Maverick · « **Reply #63 on:** November 29, 2001, 03:36:00 PM »

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Originally posted by funkedup:
I have a simple solution that uses the personal choice principle. How about a setting that can only be changed offline (like the video settings). This is the No Radar button. When you choose this setting, you do not have access to the in-flight radar screen. And your aircraft does not show up on enemy in-flight radar screens. Then I could truly ignore radar as Maverick states.

Let the short-attention-span/visually-impaired crowd play their game, and the rest of us will play ours. Seems like an ideal solution.

[ 11-29-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]

I can agree to this with only one modification. Your plane doesn't show up on a radar active FE, your shots don't do any damage, and your plane doesn't take damage from a radar "active" player.

Betya there is an easier solution. It's called going to the "other" arena and have strat, scores and what not else active there. That way you could gain your perks, play your game and leave the MA alone. I really don't give a whit about scores and see no reason why the "system" for the point hounds can't transfer between the MA and everything else other than the TA. That way the players who DO care about scores don't lose a thing and have no real reason to force their idea of game play on the MA.

Would that work Funked?

Am0n · « **Reply #64 on:** November 29, 2001, 03:38:00 PM »

keel, keel, keel the dot dar..

[ 11-29-2001: Message edited by: Am0n ]

K West · « **Reply #65 on:** November 29, 2001, 03:38:00 PM »

Damn I'm not fast enough. I'd edited my post to remove my anaolgy Apache but not fast enough I see

I'm for logical realism but not bone deep realism such as strapping me in a metal seat for four hours and making the room 0 deg F. so I have to wear a full flight suit while flying AH.

IMO tower dar is a gameplay compromise but the inflight radar we have now is, in my opinion, way over the wrong line as regard concessions for playability. It's right up there with digital range counters on icons, auto retracting flaps, lack of pilot fatigue from repetative Hi-G's and also the auto trim being enabled during blackouts/redouts and when wounded.

Westy

Apache · « **Reply #66 on:** November 29, 2001, 03:41:00 PM »

Lol Westy.

Nice counter argument. My brain is too slow to respond now. Long day. I'll get ya tomorrow.

Agreed Maverick.

funkedup · « **Reply #67 on:** November 29, 2001, 03:45:00 PM »

Maverick I think I made my last post while you were posting. Read it if you missed it. The answer to your final question is HELL YES.

I've proposed this several times.

Hobodog · « **Reply #68 on:** November 29, 2001, 03:45:00 PM »

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Originally posted by funkedup:
DAR also lets the rampant gangs find easy meat.

And 400 aircraft in a 256 by 256 mile area was not an unreasonable density in WWII.

Now is that 400 aircraft FLYING? or just 400 aircraft.

Revvin · « **Reply #69 on:** November 29, 2001, 03:58:00 PM »

Funked you're right what you said on the thread in AGW, most people who want inflight dar are just worried about losing their training wheels and once they're off would'nt think twice about all the fuss they made in the first place. Seem's most people here use the excuse it would be harder to find a fight..wtf? you have fingers..how hard is it to type 'where is the fight guys?' for the sake of others laziness the rest of us have to suffer with unrealistic arena setup and thats what it boils down to at the end of the day.

-ammo- · « **Reply #70 on:** November 29, 2001, 04:24:00 PM »

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Originally posted by funkedup:
If HTC could set up a viable alternative to the MA (something the CT is not) with more realistic settings I would be all for it.

FYI-- Pyro was in the CT last night and stated they have plans on doing a major overhaul of the CT, He was looking for suggestions and discussed this for some time. If you would like to see a film of this conversation, give me a PM and I will shgoot the 1 Mb film (zipped) your way. We may have a solution for you non-dar boys in the CT yet. Or would you consider using the CT....?

DingHao2 · « **Reply #71 on:** November 29, 2001, 04:55:00 PM »

"A comprehensive mission planner lets you organize or join other players to accomplish strategic goals."

That's right on the first page. Notice to the furballers: to accomplish strategic goals [/i]. Huh? That statement says that AH's emphasis is to be on strategy. Air combat in WWII can be related to chess; in a tough situation, you must use strategy and skill. Furballing was a rare occurance in WWII (it's common in AH) and with radar inflight, you can always find the fight. That's why is it that furballing for hours is scorned. Only nightfighters had airborne intercept radar in WWII. Since all planes have airborne radar in AH, where's the difference between a day fighter and a nightfighter? So what use is a mission planner if the enemy can find you immediately, vector to you independently of ground based radar, and cut you to pieces.

"Organized special events for the ultimate in team play, strategy, and historical flavor."

Historical flavor. And not just in special events and the CT; it says for the ultimate in. In other words, for even more. So there should be a good deal of realism to be found in the MA, too. Does historical flavor mean everybody should get airborne JSTARS or AWACS or JTIDS? No. Fighters in WWII were not always able to find the foe. All too often, flights returned empty-handed. Only with close ground-air coordination were day fighters able to go straight to the fight, as shown in the Battle of Britain.

"HiTech Creations was founded with a simple philosophy by Dale "HiTech" Addink in 1999. It's not to create a large corporation, a vast gaming network, or a line of online games. It's just to create one game, but one that is better than any other like it."

Simply put, Aces High is currently very similar to other online simulations.

funkedup · « **Reply #72 on:** November 29, 2001, 05:01:00 PM »

Ammo that's good news, but I'm not surprised. I know that HTC are very busy and I'm grateful they are willing to devote resources to things like the CT and Events.

Aiswulf · « **Reply #73 on:** November 29, 2001, 05:24:00 PM »

If the CT was a viable alternative to MA then I'd sure fly in it.
I am one who dislikes the GPS inflight radar but don't let it get in the way of my enjoyment. If CT was setup for strat and points and a less gamey radar then I'd be all over it

Apache · « **Reply #74 on:** November 29, 2001, 07:34:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Revvin:
Funked you're right what you said on the thread in AGW, most people who want inflight dar are just worried about losing their training wheels and once they're off would'nt think twice about all the fuss they made in the first place. Seem's most people here use the excuse it would be harder to find a fight..wtf? you have fingers..how hard is it to type 'where is the fight guys?' for the sake of others laziness the rest of us have to suffer with unrealistic arena setup and thats what it boils down to at the end of the day.

Unrealistic arena setup? Give me a break. The MA is full of game play concessions. This argument has no weight.

To truly confound. If the CT were setup as funked has suggested, yep, I would be there. Contrary to what may be believed, I'm not implying that the fantasy arena applies to everyone. I prefer fighting people who know how to fly a 109 or 190 instead of spit v spit or f6f v f6f. As the CT is now, I'm not interested.

I believe the MA should be left as is. New people enter the MA all the time and are truly lost. I agree, the radar is unrealistic, however, they "need" the radar concession. Once the CT is setup properly and becomes populated, then absolutely, I am in agreement to the radar suggestions...in the CT, not the MA.

Put yourself in the shoes of HT. He needs players, continuously. Not all players are experienced online flight simmers. Its imperative HTC maintain an "insta-action, training, newbie, quake, gaming arena", ie, the MA. (Let me qualify this last statement. I do not call those who want a quick hour of simple dogfighting as a quaker. I hope my intent is clear. Darn typed word has no voice inflection

) There is obviously a market for it.

In turn, there is an obvious need for a more stringent, "realistic" arena.

PS. I left my training wheels in WB

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