v1.04r1....The Good and the Bad...my opinion only

[Mox]

 

Originally posted by cabby:
What a crock.  Another example of Liberal Brainwashing.  What ever happened to Free Speech for all???  And what tome do you "beat"??  

So, we have to accept some moron's offensive behavior simply because the moron is bereft of any religion, ethics, or beliefs(or manners, considerartion for others, or what we used to call class )?  Like hell.

Offensive bozo's should be kicked-out of the game.

Cabby
[/B]

Cabby, Are you saying you support having religion in this game?  What would that help?  Many people believe in many different types of religion and it's up to them to live there life the way they choose to as long as they do not break (maybe I should say get "caught breaking") any laws.

I'm not saying I believe that you must tolerate morons all though you and I both know we have to do it every single day of our life in some form.  You can be a moron without even getting relgion involved.

Cabby, when you find a world with no morons or a world where you don't have to deal with morons let me know because I know a lot of people that would like to move there.

"BTW, some people's morals and ethics are superior to others"  Isn't this just a matter of opinion?  What I feel as morals may be completly different than what you feel is "superior"?

I agree that "Offensive Bozo's" should be kicked out of the game but again I'm a realist the all mighty dollar will not allow this.  

Mox

[-ammo-]

WTG cabby and badger.

It is funny to me that when someone talks about the Bible or being a Christian some say they are going to far...stepping on their toes. LOL


Mox said--

Cabby, Are you saying you support having religion in this game? What would that help? Many people believe in many different types of religion and it's up to them to live there life the way they choose to as long as they do not break (maybe I should say get "caught breaking") any laws.

Exactly MOX, By talking about Jesus Christ or the Bible would I Be breaking any laws? If that is my lifetstyle why should I remain quiet about it. For a fact their are those that type out as fast as they can profanity and other ludeness. I just squelch them but I say that to say it goes both ways. IT doesnt have to help anything.. or be constructive.. its just the way a Christian thinks.

BTW 1.04R1 rocks!

JMO

ammo

[This message has been edited by -ammo- (edited 09-19-2000).]

[Spitboy]

 

ROTFLOL, evidently you don't read AGW !!

Hey Rip, why don't you worry less about AGW and more about the turmoil here within your beloved Aces High?

Sure, I see whiners and complainers on AGW. But they are whining and complaining about game issues - primarily about the pros and cons of historical arena setups. Unlike AH, where I have seen in the past three days:

-7 threads on abusive behavior in the arenas
-1 thread on players abusing the training arena
-MANY threads pointing out glaring inaccuracies in the FM, including planes flying without wings, planes doing impossible climbs while perpendicular to the ground, trim problems, etc.
- Several threads complaining about warping, server connects and micro-warps
- And a ncie thread about why someone thinks Citabria is a loser.

Compare that to the last three days of AGW, why don't you? There's trouble in paradise, Rip, whether you like to believe it or not. I've seen several reasonable people make reasonable requests for folks to tone it down in the arenas. And then I've seen folks jump all over em.

I had the chance to fly several hours in the AH arena last week, and I noticed the same type of abusive, annoying behavior others are complaining about. That was one of the reasons I lost interest in MacAW - we had a player who just enjoyed himself by abusing others, and driving them from the game. While AH itself is not bad, I really don't care much for that type of community. Maybe you do, I dunno.

Don't really have the time to justify a $30 account, since I only have a few hours a week to fly right now. But even if I had time, I'm not certain I'd get an account until HT does something to clean up the arenas. I left the playground back in elementary school.

Spitboy -SW-



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[NUTTZ]

I was a "monitor" "air police" of AW3, The community really didn't like us, they felt it was an "us" verses "them". I really think it had a nightmarish effect on me AND the community.  
I like the way the community sets the standards, and self polices. Seeing both side of this coin, trust me on this one, it's pretty good the way it stands now.
Any and all internet based games will receive their share of "unrully" and verbally abusive people ( notice i didn't put an age factor in here). We all have a squelch button, althou there are people that say the squelch is not the answer, i don't think " hall monitors" are. I personally haven't squelch anyone sofar.
My best advice if you don't want to squelch , is Not to feed the fire of these people and let em die out. some just look to irritate just because they can. 99% of the people on AH are really great people , the other 1% are, well, you know.
Suggestion:  grow thicker skin, if little ones are present , squelch when you can. But asking to "police" the AH airwaves is DEFINATELY not the answer. Remember AH is world wide, and multi languages are used at all times of day.  what is a " curse" in one language may not be in another, and filtering all languages may be impossible. Besides i would HATE to get booted or warned because i used the word "crap" or "shit" before face planting.
NUTTZ

[Hangtime]

Yah have ALL gotta be kidding; Right??

Badger puts up a good post, askin for some sensibility and courtesy from all players, new and vets, young and old...

Sounded ok to me. Lets think about his point.. the rest of this nonsense is just loudly and indignantly agreeing with Badgres point, which I think we all agree with up to where he mentions monitors.  

Badger.. I understand from whence you come; and I agree; some of us vets have been less than kind as of late.. duly noted. I'll try harder.  

But; we are HUMAN, and last time I checked makin mistakes and spewing fer a few moments was not all that damn unnatural, given the endeavor we've taken up as a hobby.

That noted, I respectfully suggest that the implementation of thought police in our hobby would be a cure far more damaging than the symptom..

We're on line to kill the red planes. We can all turn off the radio traffic from redland with .squelch 100 command.

I'm hoping that someday soon we will have a feature that will allow us to completely remove the text buffer. Think of it.. no distractions. Then we can concentrate entirely on killin the red planes. Which is what we all wanna do anyway.. right??

 

Hang

[Mox]

 

Originally posted by -ammo-:
WTG cabby and badger.
Exactly MOX, By talking about Jesus Christ or the Bible would I Be breaking any laws?

If that is my lifetstyle why should I remain quiet about it. For a fact their are those that type out as fast as they can profanity and other ludeness. I just squelch them but I say that to say it goes both ways. IT doesnt have to help anything.. or be constructive.. its just the way a Christian thinks.

[This message has been edited by -ammo- (edited 09-19-2000).]

I never mentioned a certain religion nor did I even mention Jesus Christ.  

I don't think anyone can give me one example of how religion of ANY kind would make this game better (for everyone).  It 'might' make it better for the ones that 'believe' exactly the way you do but what about the rest of the world?  

Ammo,  As long as you are not closed minded to listen to other peoples believes in game then maybe it would work.  I for one think that at some point talking about religion in game or on a game related bbs would cause a problem for some players.

Why not just leave it out, that way nobody gets all freaked out because we just agreed religion brings nothing to the game?

Maybe my choice of the words on my original post was not the best and I apologize if I offended you or anyone else.

After re-reading Cabby's post, I would certainly agree if we had free speech for ALL, it would be a much better place, although alot of people couldn't handle it.  Religious persacution has been around for many years and in today's society it still exist, then there's the whole other can of worms called PC "politicly correct".

Mox

[This message has been edited by Mox (edited 09-19-2000).]

[Apache]

I am gonna concede to the will of the community in the aspect of "no police". I listen to those whose opinions I respect.

I don't think, however, that we were uttering nonsense, but simply our thoughts on the matter as any family member would have the right to do in a thought provoking discussion.

I still don't like the foul language tho.

Squelch it is.

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Apache
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[Mox]

 

Originally posted by Apache:

I don't think, however, that we were uttering nonsense, but simply our thoughts on the matter as any family member would have the right to do in a thought provoking discussion.
I still don't like the foul language tho.
Squelch it is.

I agree Apache and salute for saying in a productive way.  Many of us will agree to disagree on this topic but I feel most if not all of us are posting for the same reason, we feel strongly about this sim!

Mox



[This message has been edited by Mox (edited 09-19-2000).]

[bloom25]

I'm just throwing out a suggestion here...

Maybe we could have a type of "community enforcement system" in the game.  Here's my idea:  Give players a command they could type if they feel someone is acting inappropriately.  I.E. .censor (username).  If the server received a large number of requests from different users, that person would receive a warning pop up.  If the server continued to receive yet more .censor commands, that user would receive a message saying something like "You behavior has been deemed inappropriate by a majority of the community.  Your account has been locked from the arenas for a period of 1 hour."  The server could then write this information to a log file.  If problems continue and the user receives even more arena lockouts HTC could send them an e-mail saying that their account is on probation.  Any further incidents requiring ejection could then justify HTC to ban the user.

It seems to me that this gives some power to the community as a whole.  The warning box could be set to a low level of .censor commands received, but the temporary lockout would be set MUCH higher.  I think the warning would likely cause most users to cool off.  Temporarily locking out their account from the arena should definately make them think about what they are doing.  They would also be aware that repeated incidents could result in probation or a termination of service.

IMO this is better than community moderators because it does not give any user more power than another.  (Avoids the "I pay my $30 a month just like you" problem. )  It also avoids potential problems in the future between the user and the moderators online at the time.

Once again, this is just an idea I came up with.  Please don't think you'll hurt my feelings or something by telling me that it stinks.



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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS

[Pongo]

Are you guys all talking about one event that you all experianced?  
Man am I tuned out of this thing or what.
The arena has been polite in my opinion.  Absolutly no different to me than any 2 week period in Janurary. Some clowns. A racist the other night. People playing big ego man....
same old same old.  
I see mostly (99%)salutes and jokes.
Course I dont notice any diff in the flight model either, so maybe I wouldnt see the change.

[Torque]

I KILL MORE IT'S GREAT.

[Creamo]

One more night of pure fun logged, and for once was insulted more than ever. (it's kinda rare actually.)

Still, got BOTH their planes and chutes next sortie...what a riot. They laughed about it and I started supper and logged...

What you guys are so excited about, dunno. Maybe I should be more anal and hate something.

Anyway, GoodNite, gotta have a snack and not care about anything but a movie.

[Maniac]

Did .Squelch stop to work in 1.04r1?



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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-

[Naso]

 

Originally posted by bloom25:
I'm just throwing out a suggestion here...

Maybe we could have a type of "community enforcement system" in the game.  Here's my idea:  Give players a command they could type if they feel someone is acting inappropriately.  I.E. .censor (username).  If the server received a large number of requests from different users, that person would receive a warning pop up.  If the server continued to receive yet more .censor commands, that user would receive a message saying something like "You behavior has been deemed inappropriate by a majority of the community.  Your account has been locked from the arenas for a period of 1 hour."  The server could then write this information to a log file.  If problems continue and the user receives even more arena lockouts HTC could send them an e-mail saying that their account is on probation.  Any further incidents requiring ejection could then justify HTC to ban the user.

Great idea, and more, please add a censor list !!

<Naso start typing names on a paper>

uhmm....

Torque
Hangtime
Ram
Mitsu
Fariz
Kieren
Menedew
...  

Seriously, this kind of function can be easly tourned in a weapon to ostracize or eliminate people for different reasons than the arena behaviour.

For sure the great pilots will be targets of this, not bad for me, so THEY STOP TO SHOT ME DOWN every 5 minuts!!!  

<Joke, almost>

[leonid]

Badger,
I hear ya.  It bums me too that players get so bent or parochial.  I've found the squelch command helps a little, but that keeps me from hearing it.  The abuse is still going on.

I tend to think of it as a simple case of mutual respect.  No need for anything more.  Respect based on the fact that we are all equally human.