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Offline JensK

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« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2003, 03:11:36 AM »
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I appologize for prompltly deleteing your account per your email request. I also apologize for sending you a confermation that your account was deleted. I also apologize for not sending you the TOS aggrement before deleteing your account to make sure you knew that once deleted accounts are completed for the month.

I also apologize for not presonaly calling you to make sure you truly wished to delete your account, or if you were just having a bad day.

Once again realy sorry for deleteing your account, if in any way we can take longer in deleting your next account please let us know how, we would love to serve you better.

HiTech


Isnt this childish behaviour? Not very respectable!

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« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2003, 08:37:15 AM »
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From this judge's card...HTC is in the wrong.


Well actually, regardless of what anyone thinks of HT's message or how HTC handles this, there's only one judge here and that'd be HT.  It's his company, and as this is an issue affecting his company, it would be for him to judge the right and wrong of the situation.  You can think he's wrong all you want, but unless he thinks he's wrong, it really doesn't matter.
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« Reply #32 on: October 28, 2003, 09:08:06 AM »
Any problem I've had with HTC's customer support I've taken up with HiTech and have found him to be quite professional about how it was handled and to be extremely polite.  What I haven't done is preceded the attempt with a "let's rally the bbs behind me" type of post in order to highlight the company's inadequacies.  

Sorry to those feeling HT was out of line for replying like he did, but "the customer is always right" died with the invention of the internet.  Now, the customer is usually a tard.  Especially when they complain about prompt and accurate service.

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« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2003, 09:12:25 AM »
HT Rocks!:aok

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« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2003, 10:06:26 AM »
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Ah here comes the style...pig piling on an upset customer...dude, you're better emailing direct.  The cheerleaders will eat you alive.


Surely you are not suggesting there are any sycophants on this board?  Where in heck would you get such a crazy notion?

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« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2003, 10:25:09 AM »
SOB,

I don't expect you to understand about responsibility.  Just because it is Dale's company does not give him a right to act any he pleases to his customers.  It's his responsibility to act professionally at all times as his actions reflect upon his company.  Responsibility comes with the power, and Dales actions were inappropriate, though not something I wouldn't expect on this board, just not from the head of the company.

The customer isn't always right, in fact, 90% of the time they're either wrong or lying.  It's still not my place to tell them that even though I have the authority and usually the desire.  No matter what the medium used for business, customer service is an important part oftentimes more important than the product (i.e. insurance...you can't see or touch insurance, it's a service).  HTC has had a good record with me, but this is a black mark on their record.  With any luck Dale and Fullback have sorted this out privately and the only remaining posts will be the yammering of some of the whiny loudmouths on these boards.

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« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2003, 10:31:48 AM »
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Just because it is Dale's company does not give him a right to act any he pleases to his customers.  




Yeah, it does.

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« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2003, 11:08:11 AM »
There are whiney lodmouths on these boards!!!???:eek:

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« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2003, 11:39:13 AM »
Golfer, the former Director of Communications in me would agree with you, especially if HTC was a large corporation. But it's not. What it is is a small company run by enthusiasts, for enthusiasts. Combat flight simulators are a niche product. The closest you will likely see to a corporate focus in this genre is, well… not many jump to mind.  Where the $$$ are concerned this is a dormant, low upside niche compared to the mass appeal RPGs like that new Star Wars product. There seems to be more leeway in the boxed sim area, but I would still like to see IL2s numbers compared to GTA Vice City's, especially after the console port.

Were HiTech a corporate CEO (say for a company like EA) he would likely never respond in person to anything on a BBS. Someone like me (in my former life) would craft the appropriate response after my underling brought it to my attention, run it by him via e-mail, sign his name and give a sterile, easily dismissed reply post. However, rough edges and all, the community knows that HiTech himself reads the boards, cares about what is written and takes the time to respond. In this environment, IMO, that is preferable from a brand loyalty standpoint to the alternative. I would also, as a customer, rather see additional budgetary dollars spent on development vs. communications. As long as HTC delivers with both the product and a high level of customer service (generally lacking in today’s corporate environment) then HiTech’s response is a non issue and likely a net positive. Were HTC failing to deliver, then it becomes a different matter entirely. Just my usual waste the morning $.02. Plus, frankly, it’s just plain refreshing to see candor for a change.

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« Reply #39 on: October 28, 2003, 12:57:48 PM »
Sigh,to be honest,anyone with any problems with HT or HTC should e-mail them,NOT post it on the forums,you do that and you get what you deserve in my opinion.Im here to have fun and get a break from real life crap,the BBs aint the place for this kinda sht stirring.
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« Reply #40 on: October 28, 2003, 01:11:15 PM »
it's just a ploy to divert your attention away from the late release of ah2 :)
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« Reply #41 on: October 28, 2003, 02:00:03 PM »
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SOB,

I don't expect you to understand about responsibility.  Just because it is Dale's company does not give him a right to act any he pleases to his customers.


Yes, it does. It's his company, and he is free to run it any way he wants to. Just as you, or any of his other customers, are free to decide that you are not being treated as you feel you should be, and to take your business elsewhere on the basis of that decision.

Fullback asked for his account to be cancelled. He didn't ask for his account to be cancelled at the end of the month, or at the end of the current billing cycle; he asked for it to be cancelled. If I had gotten that request, I'd probably have done exactly the same thing HTC did -- cancelled it as of the date of receipt. The response may have been more curt than I would have sent back, but without knowing what was going on there on that particular day, I have no basis upon which to render a judgement.

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« Reply #42 on: October 28, 2003, 02:16:30 PM »
Golfer:

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The customer isn't always right, in fact, 90% of the time they're either wrong or lying. It's still not my place to tell them that even though I have the authority and usually the desire. No matter what the medium used for business, customer service is an important part oftentimes more important than the product (i.e. insurance...you can't see or touch insurance, it's a service). HTC has had a good record with me, but this is a black mark on their record. With any luck Dale and Fullback have sorted this out privately and the only remaining posts will be the yammering of some of the whiny loudmouths on these boards.


This statment is correct.
But dosn't apply to the sittuation.

Once a topic/complaint/whine/ what ever you want to call it is brought to a board not in the form of wanting somthing from us, i.e. somthing we could assist him in. But in the form of trying to notify everyone else about what he thought. We are no longer dealing with customer service, we now are dealing with a persone trying damage HTC.

There are many ways to deal with these issues, from locking a thread, removeing bbs privs, disscussing it , giving a very direct response to an issue as i am with you now. All these forms I have used in the past and which method I choose realy depends on the situation. When somthing in my view goes totaly over the top as in this post and the "dolt" post I choose to take a more outragous method.

As to customer service I belive that it starts with attitude from the top down. It's why when I'm in the office on week ends I answere the phone to help people. It's why if other people are busy in the office, I take the support calls. It's why I read this bbs to keep up on issuses. But please try to understand "whining" in a public forum covers more issues than just servicing that customer , because the people who have to read the "whining" are also customers and maitaining a decent level of suvility on the bbs is servicing those customers.

Imagine what your bussness would be like if all your customers talked to each other all the time.


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« Reply #43 on: October 28, 2003, 02:41:39 PM »
Wow.  That's amazing.

You had a chance to re think, make it better, and you blew it.

Golfer had it spot on.  Its too bad you interpet it the way you did.

He didnt damage HTC, but you certainly changed my impression of you.

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« Reply #44 on: October 28, 2003, 02:52:32 PM »
Sometimes a customer/client is an bellybutton and not worth the trouble to satisfy.