How bad is this Administration...?

[-ammo-]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
The christian god and the muslim god are one in the same.

uhhh.. no,  However when Allah starts claiming Jesus as his son and that he has all the attributes that God the Father gave him, we might have to rethink that.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by JBA
knocked that one clear into the next state. Nice job.

How do you figure?

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by -ammo-
uhhh.. no,  However when Allah starts claiming Jesus as his son and that he has all the attributes that God the Father gave him, we might have to rethink that.

As a christian you belive Jesus is the son of God. Jews and Muslims dont think he is the son of the very same god. Who is right?

Is the jewish god, as in the old testament god of abraham and Moses etc, the father of christ?


If so then its the same god for all three relgions.

Also who is more important, christ as son of god, or big daddy god himself?

[GRUNHERZ]

The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51

How did this Jerry Fallwell quote make it into the Koran?

[Sandman]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
How did this Jerry Fallwell quote make it into the Koran?

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by DmdNexus
Your point being? What?

let me guess... what you're implying...
Because they are ALL Islamic  extremists... there's no solution...

throw up your hands... give up...if they are Palestinian they must be terrorists?

meanwhile it's ok to do what to these "Terrorists"?

Exterminate every man, woman, and child who happens to be Palestinian?

Isn't that a rather extreme attitude?

People aren't just born extremists... their life circumstances and cultures motivate them to take up those positions...

Israeli had a lot to do with cultivating the terror they are not suffering from.

Why do so many people hate America?

Why does America support so many dictators and terrorists... Pinochet... the Shar of Iran... OBL... Sadam (yes we did... Mr. Evil him self)

Ohh man, I love it how people, me too sometimes,  automatically take any disagreement and blow it up like you did in this post...

Anyway what I was saying is that palestenians have used terror for decades even before the recent explosion of settlements and all these dire econoic privations. If you remember back in the day, when he wasnt occupied with writing his nobel acceptance speech Mr Arafat was quite a terrrorist... So I think it's clear to me that the palesnians, unlike say gandhi, mandela or mlk chose the path of violence rather early. My greatest hope for peace is that they give up violence, because while tanks and helicopters of liberal democratic countries (and frankly thats what israel is) are great at defeating hordes of armed men and blowing up bomb factories they are pretty useless against unarmend non violent resistance.  If the palestenians, and I mean all of them all the hizbullah/jihad groups and plotical figures,  used non violence in striving for realistic goals, like for example not demaning destruction of israel, this would be over in short order and they would get a state and and gain mountains of goodwill even from america.  I feel the emphasis is on them as its very hard to sympathyze with people who deliberatly target school busses.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
We actually have a house in the islands. We're related 2nd gen through marriage.

Interesting...

[drone]

Originally posted by -ammo-
uhhh.. no,  However when Allah starts claiming Jesus as his son and that he has all the attributes that God the Father gave him, we might have to rethink that.

The hipocracy of the christan religion --

[-ammo-]

Originally posted by drone
The hipocracy of the christan religion --

There is no hipocracy in my statement, maybe a little sarcasm though.  They cannot be the same God, because of the different doctrines.

[Lizard3]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ

Is the jewish god, as in the old testament god of abraham and Moses etc, the father of christ?

If so then its the same god for all three relgions.

No. Wrong. If you look into it you'll find that its not the same "GOD". As I tried to explain earlier, the Arabs didn't use the Old Testament as a basis for Islam. Just because the old testament claims that the Arabs are a decendent of Abraham 1)doesn't make it so. 2)doesn't meen they had Him in mind when they created or were "devinely inspired" to creat Islamism.

They worshipped all kinds of stuff. After most them were united more or less under a central rule they became more or less all Islamic. It didn't happen over night or as a direct progression from say Judaism to Islamism.

Suprised the hell out of me. I had always assumed the same thing. And it doesn't have anything to do with "doctrin" either. The Jews and the Christian religions share little in doctrin yet claim the same God.

[DmdNexus]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Ohh man, I love it how people, me too sometimes,  automatically take any disagreement and blow it up like you did in this post...

Anyway what I was saying is that palestenians have used terror for decades even before the recent explosion of settlements and all these dire econoic privations. If you remember back in the day, when he wasnt occupied with writing his nobel acceptance speech Mr Arafat was quite a terrrorist... So I think it's clear to me that the palesnians, unlike say gandhi, mandela or mlk chose the path of violence rather early. My greatest hope for peace is that they give up violence, because while tanks and helicopters of liberal democratic countries (and frankly thats what israel is) are great at defeating hordes of armed men and blowing up bomb factories they are pretty useless against unarmend non violent resistance.  If the palestenians, and I mean all of them all the hizbullah/jihad groups and plotical figures,  used non violence in striving for realistic goals, like for example not demaning destruction of israel, this would be over in short order and they would get a state and and gain mountains of goodwill even from america.  I feel the emphasis is on them as its very hard to sympathyze with people who deliberatly target school busses.

I agree with you. My statements are rhetorical for a reason - to show the absurdity of looking at the Pal/Israel issue as a simplely a black and white issue. It is not. The Israelis are just as equally culpable.

Arafat is a terrorist..

and so is Sharon.

I'm amazed he wasn't charged with war crimes by the Hague regarding his involvment with the massacre at Jenin.

Basically, Sharon had his troops surround the refugee camp, preventing any one coming in (like reporters and the IRC), and locked all the escape routes, and then opened the gates for the Christian militia to walk in and do the killing.

For those of you unaware of this here are some
http://www.counterpunch.org/boyle0606.html
http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/07/05/9360.html
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/feb2002/sab-f22.shtml
http://search.csmonitor.com/durable/2001/07/30/p7s1.htm

I'm amazed because the US had intercepts of communications between Sharon's units and the Christian Militia co-ordinating this massacre. Those intercepts are probably degauzed by now.
Won't be able to do a FOIA until 2013...

If the Palestinians totally disarm.... it will be tough for the Israelis to justify both their military and economic war against the Palestinians.

[GRUNHERZ]

Counterpunch, Pravda and the World Socialist Webiste are not what I would call viable, reasonable or blanced information sources...  I dont know the reputation of the Christian Science Monitor but I do know thae church that runs it has a history of odd behavior and belifs that even lead to deaths of its members.

I think that you should be more careful and thoughtful in choosing your sources, for example one should not cite the KKK for racial statistics...

That said what Sharon did at Sabra and Shatila was an obvious nazi style warcrime made all the more shameful considering he was Jewish..

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Lizard3
No. Wrong. If you look into it you'll find that its not the same "GOD". As I tried to explain earlier, the Arabs didn't use the Old Testament as a basis for Islam. Just because the old testament claims that the Arabs are a decendent of Abraham 1)doesn't make it so. 2)doesn't meen they had Him in mind when they created or were "devinely inspired" to creat Islamism.

They worshipped all kinds of stuff. After most them were united more or less under a central rule they became more or less all Islamic. It didn't happen over night or as a direct progression from say Judaism to Islamism.

Suprised the hell out of me. I had always assumed the same thing. And it doesn't have anything to do with "doctrin" either. The Jews and the Christian religions share little in doctrin yet claim the same God.

Then why does Islam consider Jesus a prophet of Allah?

[NUKE]

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and so is Sharon.

I'm amazed he wasn't charged with war crimes by the Hague regarding his involvment with the massacre at Jenin.

LOL, maybe because there was no masacre at Jenin.

[DmdNexus]

Originally posted by NUKE
LOL, maybe because there was no masacre at Jenin.

Aproximately 800 refugees killed, mostly elderly, women and children.

It's in the links.