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Offline gofaster

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« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2003, 01:15:24 PM »
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There have been a lot of aircraft laundry lists posted lately -- a veritable index listing from some Aircraft encyclopedia. While I hope that all the significant and insignificant WW2 planes are added someday, from a practical standpoint what are the critical holes in the planeset? What are the FIVE most pressing NEWadditions. Here’s the criteria:

1. The plane had to have seen at least somewhat significant service in WW2 -- No G55 perk planes.

2. It has to be basically competitive in the MA (on the order of a MC 205 or FW-190A8) -- no hanger queens.

3. It has to fill a reasonable role in the CT (most likely a late-war CT setup, given the preceding criteria).

4. You have to explain your choices.







Ki-44 Shoki (translates to "Demon").  The only Japanese aircraft built specifically as an interceptor, it married high speed and climb at the sacrifice of maneuverability.  It was the only Japanese aircraft capable of operating at the altitudes where the American heavy bombers flew.  Prototype first flew in 1940 and was a disappointment, but revisions and modifications to the design yielded a fighter capable of reaching 16,000 feet in just over 4 minutes.  The Ki-44-IIb carried four 12.7mm machine guns (equivalent to four .50cals, more or less) and had a max speed of 376 mph at 17,000 feet.  The Ki-44-III carried four 20mm cannons and had a bigger, more powerful motor.  Just over 1,100 Shoki's were produced and served in China, Burma, India theatre, in Sumatra, and later in defense of the home islands against the B-29 raids.

The Ki-44 production ceased when the Ki-84 entered service.

Mitsubishi G4M Betty bomber.  Mainstay of the Japanese Army bomber fleet.  Max bomb load was 1,000kg. Armament was four 20mm cannons and two 7.7mm MGs.  Just say no to Ju-88 substitutions!

P51B with a Malcolm hood.  I'm tired of looking around canopy framing!

Dewoitine D.520.  You'll never have a true Fall of France scenario with a French fighter such as the Dewoitine D520.

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« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2003, 01:29:02 PM »
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The T 34 because we need at least some choice for an opposition to the Panzer (and hopefully one day a Nip tank as well). It's true that the MA is "non aligned"; but most squads have some semblance of historicity; The Whermacht needs a counter part. It's one of AH's more obvious "points of imbalance".


I'm thinking Soviet T-34/76F

Sherman Calliope (unguided rocket racks bolted over the turret)

and Pershing (probably perked) .  

The Japanese Chi-Ha tank is not something that could survive in the MA.  

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« Reply #32 on: October 28, 2003, 01:30:42 PM »
I know this argument may be getting stale, but I the JS-1 and JS-2 would be extremely good counterparts to the Tiger and (if we're lucky enough to get them) the Panther. The later varients of the Joseph Stalin carried some of the War's heaviest tank guns, as well as armor that was all but impregnable by anything short of point blank fire from German 75s and 88s. Check out the following link for some great information about this series. Pay special attention to gun trials involving the soviet guns verses captured German Panthers and Tigers.

http://www.battlefield.ru/is2_1.html[/URL]

Shells going clear through Tiger turret armor and nearly coming out the other side!? Something I'd like to see very much considering my own (and many others') experiences with Panzer 75mm shells bouncing off Tiger armor harmlessly time and time again at ranges less than a 1000 yards.

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« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2003, 03:36:06 PM »
I'm not that much of a historian, so I'll save myself the heartache of listing something incorrectly.  However, I think the game could benefit from a few additional airplanes/vehicles along these lines:

1. A Perked bomber that is useful.  B-29 or otherwise.  That arado is only useful if you are attacking an HQ, and the bombload is horrible.

2. Something to combat a panzer, from what I understand, a sherman was really not powerful enough to stand up to a panzer or tiger 1 on 1, which is why they were so mass produced.

3. From what I understand the P-40N was the most widely used of the P-40 model, perhaps toss the less used E version and replace it with the N so more folks fly it.

Everything else is a good bonus, but I think these are needed, especially the bomber, I'm sure I'm not alone when I say that I'm sitting on a bunch of useless bomber perks.  
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« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2003, 05:01:57 PM »
1 - Douglas A26 Invader: 355 mph, 6000 lbs of bombs, 8 five-inch rockets.  A good late-war (perk?) bomber.  Basically a six-pack of whoopass.

2 - Curtiss SB2C Helldiver: Destroyed more Japanese targets than any other plane.  Sort of fits in the TBM/SBD role, so maybe not needed per se, but would be a fun alternative.

3 - Bell P63 KingCobra:  Better than the P39, flown by the Russians.  37 mm Cannon, .50 cals and three 500 lb bombs.  Fast, aerobatic, probably a blast to fly and sexy as hell.

4 - Fairey Firefly:  Hella fast, 4x20 mm cannons (Brit Niki?), 16 rockets or 2x1000 lb bombs.  Can you say JABO?  I knew you could ;)

5 - Consolidated B-24 Liberator:  12,800 lbs of bombs, 290 mph at altitude.  Deadly.  Maybe a perk plane.

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« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2003, 05:12:36 PM »
Dornier 335
Dewoitine D 520
Lockheed Hudson
Short Suderland

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« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2003, 07:40:21 PM »
P-39Q-10 or P-39N-1 in Russian colors of course

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« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2003, 04:15:58 AM »
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Dewoitine D.520.  You'll never have a true Fall of France scenario with a French fighter such as the Dewoitine D520.


By the Time of the Invasion of France in May 1940 only 36 D.520's had been delivered for squadron service. However, they Vichy French forces continued to build them for use eventually building 905 of the type.

They did see some action against Allied forces during the Invasion of North Africa but it was pretty limited.

As for the "Fall of France" scenario - the Hurricane Mk1 has very similar performance but it would be nice to have the real thing I agree.
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« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2003, 06:57:07 AM »
For fall of france you need MS406 or MB152  or if  you want to do it like crapware WWIIol put a Hawk and no french plane.

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« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2003, 09:27:57 AM »
Fighters

Japan

1. Ki-84 - desperately needed for ToD, events and the ct and would get main time.

2. a6m3 - Needed for the ToD, events and the ct

US

3. p39N (or any variant except the q) - Needed for the ToD, events and the ct

4. p38g/j -  Needed for the ToD, events and the ct

VVS

5. Yak-9D - Needed for the ToD, events and the ct


Just the tip of the iceberg. The main is hardly a critera I would use. With the exception of the ki-84 most of the planes that will see regular usage are already in the main. Unless HT goes crazy and introduce wonder birds.

Top 5 Bomber

1. Betty
2. B25
3. He 111
4. Pe2 (fighter variant Pe3)
5. SM.79 Sparviero (however I agree with Brady in that the CANT Z 1007 would get more use)

Then finally fix some of the Hybrids

109g6 add mw50 designate 109g14
New early G6 model

F4U-1 (fix FM to match) and add F4U-1a

Spit 9 - Either get rid of the 50s and rockets and designate our current spit "Spitfire F.Mk IX" (merlin 61) or redo the FM (merlin 66) and designate "Spitfire LF.Mk IX". Or add a new model so we can have both.

I can go on and on but I think the above would make one of the best addons to AH ever.

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« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2003, 09:53:26 AM »
b24
b25
b29

3 bombers that can withstand the MA

ki84 one of the most produces japanese planes

early p38s would be nice
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« Reply #41 on: November 16, 2003, 10:25:06 AM »
Prop Fighters

1. P38-F  -  It is the first aircraft of the 38's, and the subsequent variants get heavier while their performance declines.  

2. Ki-84  -  Needs no explanation.

3. Migg-3  -  It's performance is adequate and it will definitley become a  niche once we learn it's advantages / disadvantages

4.  Mc 2000  -  We definitely need a new Italian representative and I feel that this one fits the bill perfectly.

5.  P-39  -  If sheer numbers mean anything, then we can not leave it out.

6.  Me410  -  A nice night fighter for when they fix the night.

7.  P-61 or F6F-5N -  For night fighting

8. F8F  -  but slap 130 perks on it.

9.  Ki-27  -  Have to have it for early scenarios.

10.  Brewster Buffalo  -  Again an early scenario must have.


Buffs

1.  Pe2  -  The russians need representation, and this aircraft adequately fits the bill.

2. B-25  -  Only if forward gun nose is selectable.

3.  A-26  -  THis aircraft is uber, and without a doubt gonna rock the MA if allowed.

4.  He-111  -  From pure historical perspectives we have to have it.

5.  Emily  -  Japanes good all around buff.

6.  B-24J  -  Ya know, it is kind of redundant, but this aircraft will fill a void in the scenarios, as they are much weaker strength wise, then 17's

7.  Do-17  -  A good early war buff.

8.  Il2 later variant -  will be more survivable then the current set.

9.  Ju-87G  -  Can you say gun packs!

10.  Halifax  -  The lanc is not the only brit buff worth flying.


Jets

1.  He-162  -  Will be fun to fly and provide an interesting option for scenarios

2.  Meteor  -  It was there, so why not allow it too...

3.  P-80  -  It was operational.

4.  Japanese version of the 262.


GV's

1.  Sherman variant

2.  JS2 series

3.  T-34/76

4.  M-26 -  allied perks

5.  Churchill

6.  Japanese tank ???

7.  French tank for scenarios

8.  pz 3  -  for scenarios

9.  m3a1  -  for scenarios.

10.  Panther  -  too significant to leave out.
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« Reply #42 on: November 16, 2003, 05:10:21 PM »

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« Reply #43 on: November 16, 2003, 08:44:19 PM »
I haven't seen the D4Y or B7A listed. Those would be my choices.

From a SEA point of view, IJN Carriers are near useless post 1942.

For the MA they probably wont find much use though. Although the B7A is blazing fast for a torp plane (if you're into that).

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« Reply #44 on: November 19, 2003, 06:43:54 PM »
i dont understand the desire for a p80. It was historically insignificant to ww2. Did it even ever see combat? The meteor you can make a case for, but your reaching when it comes to the p80.
my choices would be
1)brewster buff
2)g4m
3)p39
4)ki84(for MA dweebs)
5)mc2000 or pe2