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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Rich46yo on April 12, 2015, 11:10:15 PM
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Ive come home from work the last two nights hoping for some good gaming on Fri. and Sat. nights. Bother night we've had griefer's bombing HQs. Heres the thing. Without an HQ you dont know if its one M16 attacking a base or 30 enemies. Maybe not a problem when we had the numbers of old, tho I NEVER remember this kid of HQ griefing back them.
But now? Its like an automatic reduction of 25% of the player base. I know cause I look! HQ griefing is killing whats left of this game. When you have only an hour or two to play you cant use them just trying to find a 1/2 decent fight, or resupping a GD HQ.
Theres no reason for me to pay for a month, only get to play a few hours a weeks, and have to deal with this HQ BS!
Honestly how in hell do you think you'll get new players in the game?
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Ive come home from work the last two nights hoping for some good gaming on Fri. and Sat. nights. Bother night we've had griefer's bombing HQs. Heres the thing. Without an HQ you dont know if its one M16 attacking a base or 30 enemies. Maybe not a problem when we had the numbers of old, tho I NEVER remember this kid of HQ griefing back them.
But now? Its like an automatic reduction of 25% of the player base. I know cause I look! HQ griefing is killing whats left of this game. When you have only an hour or two to play you cant use them just trying to find a 1/2 decent fight, or resupping a GD HQ.
Theres no reason for me to pay for a month, only get to play a few hours a weeks, and have to deal with this HQ BS!
Honestly how in hell do you think you'll get new players in the game?
Yep last time I was on, hq was down most of the time. Then nits started floating 8-9 lanc fleets as low alt missions because nobody could intercept them. Everyone was complaining how stupid it was. I logged. Yesterday I didn't even bother to play again.
HTC needs to harden the HQ so that it will take at least 3-4 full sets of lancs to kill or get rid of the radar blinding ability once and for all.
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I love the hq . but for the sake of hitech. please make it hardened!! it seems you guys don't care about the current version of the game.
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The HQ is 150% harder than last week.
Read the threads :old:
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Sorry to inform you Zack but for most of us, especially the non Canadians, the HQ is not in your underpants.
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The people who say "Up and defend it" are flat out ignorant.
2 of us upped and had 14 kills between 2 birds....HQ still went down (that's not including the other 4-5 people who upped to defend.
FesterMA, the HQ is pretty much undefendable....don't know how easy the fix would be...but a spawn into the HQ would make resupping it at least more efficient....sector plus flight in a goon is no way to spend a night in a COMBAT simulator.
Also get rid of town resupping, saw 10+ M3s resupping a town...that's 10 players avoiding combat.
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The people who say "Up and defend it" are flat out ignorant.
2 of us upped and had 14 kills between 2 birds....HQ still went down (that's not including the other 4-5 people who upped to defend.
FesterMA, the HQ is pretty much undefendable....don't know how easy the fix would be...but a spawn into the HQ would make resupping it at least more efficient....sector plus flight in a goon is no way to spend a night in a COMBAT simulator.
Also get rid of town resupping, saw 10+ M3s resupping a town...that's 10 players avoiding combat.
-1 sorry junky i enjoy my 3.75 gv perks from resupping twn and throwing the enemy's timing off...unless of course our city and or AAA strats have been hit hard then I don't bother...PS M3 drivers in no way avoid combat. .I've killed planes and other M3s with the troops in my M3 while resupping ..and get killed allot as well. .the average life expectancy of an M3 driver is 7 min...which is 3 min longer than when I up a plane :neener: :devil
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If the HQ is down when I log on, I just log off.
Its too hard to find a fight.
What's the point of staying on and wasting my time ?
At least the scenarios can't be ruined by the playstation/xbox children.
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:rofl
you could not make the above up :rofl
I saw a bendy stick on one of the trees and decided to log :rofl
You need dar to find a fight :rofl
Its Bruvs fault
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Town resupply is stupid. Why up to defend a base when you can run an ant size gv in to supply it? Doesnt make much sense to me in a game focused on combat.
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Don't post this garbage here... what do you think the Mr. ButtheadHQbomber is going to do? Say "Oh gee, I'm sorry for ruining the game". Nooooooo. Mr. Butthead is going to belly laugh a bit, then log on and up a set of Lancs bound for HQ. Ever seen Spongebob when Patrick is running around laughing like a fool? This is who you're dealing with... they simply do not care about anything other than killing HQ and irritating everyone (but their own, and sometimes them to). Can you reason with Patrick? No. IQ is required for reason. Better to send an email or message HTC. CALL them for crying out loud. Really, all day, every day, call call call email message email email call... annoy them. Then when they tell you they're annoyed, ask'em if they ever play AH while HQ is down. :x :bolt:
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Don't post this garbage here... what do you think the Mr. ButtheadHQbomber is going to do? Say "Oh gee, I'm sorry for ruining the game". Nooooooo. Mr. Butthead is going to belly laugh a bit, then log on and up a set of Lancs bound for HQ. Ever seen Spongebob when Patrick is running around laughing like a fool? This is who you're dealing with... they simply do not care about anything other than killing HQ and irritating everyone (but their own). Send an email or message HTC. CALL them for crying out loud. Really, all day, every day, call call call email message email email call... annoy them. Then when they tell you their annoyed, ask'em if they ever play AH while HQ is down. :x :bolt:
Warms up lancaster engines...
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Warms up lancaster engines...
case in point
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I agree the HQ stuff is nonsense, just the other day around 11 PM in FesterMA, all three countries had their HQ down for over 60 minutes...two of them over 100
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I always wondered why the strategically most important asset has the weakest anti-aircraft defense. Heck, a v-base has more ack guns than the HQ! Please surround the HQ for 20 miles with so much AA that is makes Hanoi during the Vietnam war look undefended.
Why does it only take 1 set of lancs to kill an HQ anyways? Shouldn't it be significantly higher than that? Should require a large bomber force to even dent it.
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HQ is set far enough back that it can be defended, there's TOO many people JUST looking to fight, which means fewer to defend HQ. I don't log because HQ is down, that's ridiculous. Listen to teammates, watch the logs, you can find where stuff is happening. It's perfectly accurate for a combat game.
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If it's down and you don't like it come to midwar for a bit.
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HQ is set far enough back that it can be defended,
On Fester, this is very difficult against a skilled HQ raider unless you keep a cap over it. A NOE raider is almost invisible until too late, and even a raider at altitude can easily hide in the radar noise of the frontlines due to the map layout. Once you would know there's a HQ raider it's very difficult to get him in time, even if you are in tower & ready, thanks to the distant airbases.
I don't log because HQ is down, that's ridiculous. Listen to teammates, watch the logs, you can find where stuff is happening. It's perfectly accurate for a combat game.
That works to some extend at US prime times. During my main playing hours there are harldy battles at all. Air cons are mostly single sets of buffs or the odd Jabo here and there.
Also HQ downtimes are greatly often extended here, as you can basically forget any resupply effort with so few players online.
When I log in and there is neither any darbar nor any actuall battle to be found I log off immediately . My time is a limited commodity these days. I'm not going to fly goons for an hour anymore.
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Only good thing about this weekend's HQ basing was watching a 262 go down that was shooting goons resupplying HQ. We all got a good :rofl when he went down and lost all those perks.
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If it's down and you don't like it come to midwar for a bit.
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/now_zpsc8dvuulv.jpg)
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(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/now_zpsc8dvuulv.jpg)
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For anyone who has never played during the off hours, these numbers are very deceiving. It may say 48 people in the MA, but more than half of them are usually afk. So technically there's only around 20 people in the MA in that screenshot. 20 people divided into 3 teams, you basically never see anyone else. :(
As a mainly off hour player right now I know the struggle you and others go through Snailman.
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Didn't it used to take 40,000lbs of bombs to drop an HQ? What does it take now?
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Didn't it used to take 40,000lbs of bombs to drop an HQ? What does it take now?
Virtually the same, it's 37,500 iirc
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there's TOO many people JUST looking to fight
:rofl
if too many players seeking combat in a combat game, and not nearly enough players doing menial tasks like orbiting hq or flying resupply is a problem for a game based on player vs player combat.. i don't know wtf to say.. maybe the genre is dying after all...
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:rofl
if too many players seeking combat in a combat game, and not nearly enough players doing menial tasks like orbiting hq or flying resupply is a problem for a game based on player vs player combat.. i don't know wtf to say.. maybe the genre is dying after all...
I think it is. Very few people actually want to play against other people. MMO open world sandbox PvP just doesn't draw a lot of numbers, which is a damn shame because it needs them to work at its best.
Wiley.
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
Planetside2 is a perfect example. It went through 2 server merges that I saw. That would equate out to roughly a 75% drop in player population from launch. And it's free.
Wiley.
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Planetside2 is a perfect example. It went through 2 server merges that I saw. That would equate out to roughly a 75% drop in player population from launch. And it's free.
Wiley.
it is sill profitable, has hundreds of thousands of steam users and is seeing adaptation to the ps4 so it's far from dieing.
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it is sill profitable, has hundreds of thousands of steam users and is seeing adaptation to the ps4 so it's far from dieing.
Sure. It's doing fine, mostly because it's F2P.
Still doesn't change the fact that it is 25% of what it once was. At peak, AH had ~600 people in the arenas during primetime. Arguably, AH has retained more of its peak numbers than PS2. ;)
I get what you're saying, Nuke, and you're pretty much right, but compared to the rounds-based games like Counterstrike and suchlike... *googles CS:GO player numbers* ...half a million vs ~5000 for Planetside 2 over the last 24 hours.
See my point?
Wiley.
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well CS:GO profits from the very active pro scene, while going competitive on planetside is very difficult. As games go mainstream now people want to play the games they see on tv...
I see your point but I still think the lack of development is more hurting AH that the death of the genre. See all the loyal customers above that consider leaving the game just because of the lack of good meta game, they are not leaving for another game and will probably stop playing alltogether.
I once wished for tools that would allow us to play competitively AH, I got laughed at.
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well CS:GO profits from the very active pro scene, while going competitive on planetside is very difficult. As games go mainstream now people want to play the games they see on tv...
I see your point but I still think the lack of development is more hurting AH that the death of the genre. See all the loyal customers above that consider leaving the game just because of the lack of good meta game, they are not leaving for another game and will probably stop playing alltogether.
I once wished for tools that would allow us to play competitively AH, I got laughed at.
I think we're both right. ;) :cheers:
CS was just an example. COD or BF or any of the other rounds-based games could just as easily be substituted.
My pet theory is the open world games just aren't popular. If you compare open world MMO PvP to rounds-based stuff like CS or COD or any of the rest of the FPS's, it's orders of magnitude smaller. It's just the nature of the game, very few people want this style of gameplay compared to what those other games offer.
What sucks for guys like me is, I don't enjoy the rounds based stuff like CS or WT or whatever. For me online is pretty much a game like this or nothing. If this place shuts down it's very unlikely I'll go to WT. for example. The only game on the horizon atm for me that could replace AH for me is Star Citizen. And that's iffy.
PS2 is really the only other game I can think of that's like AH, other than WBs which makes this place look positively crowded.
Wiley.
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Well I solved my problem by quitting. Im not paying for a game with this kind of game play.
When the next version comes out I'll see if anything is rectified. As it is now its just a waste of time.
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Well I solved my problem by quitting. Im not paying for a game with this kind of game play.
When the next version comes out I'll see if anything is rectified. As it is now its just a waste of time.
Getting close myself
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I like that this game is MMO and not round based. You really need the bombers and tanker and fighters all in the same arena all fighting for the same cause. Plus in a round base model squads will be disbanned the game won't have the same feel. It makes the game whole and more Interesting with a big map. I'm sure Hitech and them will fix the HQ problem. Obviously it does need some adjusting.
Once the #s fill up on the maps the level of play becomes very competitive and very fun and there are battles going on all over the place. It is crazy exciting. We just gotta market the new version well enough.
From what I've heard there will be changes to the new game that many of us have been bickering about. I'm sure alpha and HTC team have heard our concerns.
With many hopes the new AH will take off and collect a lot of new/older players and keep them around.
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Once the #s fill up on the maps the level of play becomes very competitive and very fun and there are battles going on all over the place. It is crazy exciting. We just gotta market the new version well enough.
That's assuming there's a large playerbase that would play if only they knew about it. That's a pretty huge assumption.
Wiley.
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There is a bit of a risk HTC is taking letting this problem continue to fester. AH is habit forming. Let the numbers continue to decline and at some magic, members number the house of cards will collapse as if a big earthquake hit the fragile structure. Like quitting smoking, you invest your habit needs in something else.
Players are getting tired of a very few making the game part of AH difficult to play. The game is out of balance. Other adjustments have been made in the past to balance the game.
HTC stubbornness on this issue in AH2 is questionable.
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Lot of you folks are so worthless in-game that to see you come in here at whine like your opinion matters is comical. The majority of this game community lacks the ability to adapt and overcome. You cant accomplish things without a horde. For the true aces of this game your so useless in tatical id rather fight you then fly with you.
Make the HQ harder and we will attack with endless waves. You help grow our hate fir your precious game play. We suffered in the beginning when we came to this game and learned to overcome. Now that we know the character behind the man we seek destruction.
Continue on :t
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Lot of you folks are so worthless in-game that to see you come in here at whine like your opinion matters is comical. The majority of this game community lacks the ability to adapt and overcome. You cant accomplish things without a horde. For the true aces of this game your so useless in tatical id rather fight you then fly with you.
Make the HQ harder and we will attack with endless waves. You help grow our hate fir your precious game play. We suffered in the beginning when we came to this game and learned to overcome. Now that we know the character behind the man we seek destruction.
Continue on :t
and yes let your hate continue to grow while HTC does nothing. I want this..... i dont care for most of you. For those who i do they know who they are and some arent even players i fly with. But the rest can kiss my six. I give all a chance for my respect and admiration. I go to the end of the earth for those i see worthy and lower myself to serve them. But for my enemies both in real life and this game.... eat worms and enjoy your burning HQ
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and yes let your hate continue to grow while HTC does nothing. I want this..... i dont care for most of you. For those who i do they know who they are and some arent even players i fly with. But the rest can kiss my six
You're a credit to the community, Junior.
Wiley.
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You're a credit to the community, Junior.
Wiley.
Wiley i feel the same for you. People like you create a monster like me.... the rest just quit.
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Lot of you folks are so worthless in-game that to see you come in here at whine like your opinion matters is comical. The majority of this game community lacks the ability to adapt and overcome. You cant accomplish things without a horde. For the true aces of this game your so useless in tatical id rather fight you then fly with you.
Make the HQ harder and we will attack with endless waves. You help grow our hate fir your precious game play. We suffered in the beginning when we came to this game and learned to overcome. Now that we know the character behind the man we seek destruction.
Continue on :t
Do you also write press releases for ISIS? lol
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I have found this thread....
I have found it worthy of my time....
I have found most in this thread unworthy of my respect....
All your base are belong to us
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and yes let your hate continue to grow while HTC does nothing. I want this..... i dont care for most of you. For those who i do they know who they are and some arent even players i fly with. But the rest can kiss my six. I give all a chance for my respect and admiration. I go to the end of the earth for those i see worthy and lower myself to serve them. But for my enemies both in real life and this game.... eat worms and enjoy your burning HQ
Call me when you're knocking down HQ's in arenas that have two people in it.
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Do you also write press releases for ISIS? lol
:x
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Call me when you're knocking down HQ's in arenas that have two people in it.
I wish HQ's had manned guns and a greater ability to defend it.
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and yes let your hate continue to grow while HTC does nothing. I want this..... i dont care for most of you. For those who i do they know who they are and some arent even players i fly with. But the rest can kiss my six. I give all a chance for my respect and admiration. I go to the end of the earth for those i see worthy and lower myself to serve them. But for my enemies both in real life and this game.... eat worms and enjoy your burning HQ
You look like a subscriber HTC could well do without. You 'skill' means nothing if the end result is less happy subscribers.
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This HQ Stuff needs to go. Also What lazer said about resupplying the town with one gv is just stupid lol. I've seen guys had a cv next to the town and spawn right next to town in LVT's. They are not even into the town but they drop supplies not far from the town and town get resupplied. Really? Things really need to change.
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"And with this I open the Berlin Olympic Games"
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You look like a subscriber HTC could well do without. You 'skill' means nothing if the end result is less happy subscribers.
It looks like once again I again strike emotion in the heart of the hater. The problem is not HTC, it is not myself. It lies in within you. You pay to play.
Not once has this community united against status quo. After years of the beat downs tptb learned how to handle this crowd and i back hem 100%.
There is no reason behind all of the maddness. We simply play. You people are so easy to play the blame game. I simply prey on your weakness in this forum to ignite debate.
I will never attack the person or cross a line of disrespect. I love the game and know how great it will be. Now keep puking nothingness and focus on me :neener:
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It looks like once again I again strike emotion in the heart of the hater. The problem is not HTC, it is not myself. It lies in within you. You pay to play.
Not once has this community united against status quo. After years of the beat downs tptb learned how to handle this crowd and i back hem 100%.
There is no reason behind all of the maddness. We simply play. You people are so easy to play the blame game. I simply prey on your weakness in this forum to ignite debate.
I will never attack the person or cross a line of disrespect. I love the game and know how great it will be. Now keep puking nothingness and focus on me :neener:
You're right. You convinced me to drop my subscription again. HTC will thank you.
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You're right. You convinced me to drop my subscription again. HTC will thank you.
once again focus on me.
Your like a drug addict who wants the high but doesnt want to deal with the side effects.
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Can anyone determine hours for all players in tanks vs ground vehicles in a tour? Some days I think I logged into World of Tanks
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Can anyone determine hours for all players in tanks vs ground vehicles in a tour? Some days I think I logged into World of Tanks
Only GV vs Planes is possible. In fact, I did that (and posted it) many times. Comparing individual vehicles (or planes), or sub classes, is not possible.
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See Rule #4
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1: Quadruple the hardness of the HQ.
2: Install large flak batteries that are player controlled that have dot dar capability.
3: Give us more than just 88mm flak batteries. Also give us control of a few of 128mm flak 40 batteries as well, duel mount.
4: Quadruple the amount of low alt ack around the HQ, with manned guns for a few of those as well.
5: Win!
:D
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1: Quadruple the hardness of the HQ.
2: Install large flak batteries that are player controlled that have dot dar capability.
3: Give us more than just 88mm flak batteries. Also give us control of a few of 128mm flak 40 batteries as well, duel mount.
4: Quadruple the amount of low alt ack around the HQ, with manned guns for a few of those as well.
5: Win!
:D
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ROFL
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Its like watching a worm with salt on it
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of couse there a problems and do you think how the majority of you are trying to solve it that something will change. You're all diddlying insane. Everyone of you fighting this.
Ban in 3... 2... 1....
I do it cause im done with you. Its you people who kill the game. The players are the blood the devs are the heart. If the blood is corrupt the heart keeps pumping but the body dies.
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of couse there a problems and do you think how the majority of you are trying to solve it that something will change. You're all diddlying insane. Everyone of you fighting this.
Ban in 3... 2... 1....
I do it cause im done with you. Its you people who kill the game. The players are the blood the devs are the heart. If the blood is corrupt the heart keeps pumping but the body dies.
I'll take some of what this guy is smoking.
The people have spoken, it's obvious that the majority of people want to see a change with the HQ(If there are more who don't visit the BBS that's their fault...just like when people don't vote for the president).
Now HTC, is obviously busy with Aces High 3 to do any major changes to Aces High 2...but I would almost consider the HQ as a game breaking bug from how many threads/people we have seen saying it "forces them to log"
I think the "quick" fix is to add a GV spawn into every HQ on all maps...so the griefers can still go about knocking it down, but at least it would be easier to bring it back up.
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I'm sorry but flying 1 pair of bombers to a HQ and ruining everyone's fun experience, while not using it to your teams advantage (obviously because wars haven't been won) is the most easiest part to be good at, at the game. Same goes for killing the CV during huge battles as well as killing FHs for no reason at a base during a large furball.
You make me sick!!!! Sick I tell you. The sad part is that it is the easiest part of the game and you think your all high and mighty for it. I think it is just lame. For all of you who bomb the furball bases FHs and then don't capture the base (while ruining the fun fight) I hate you, I hate you all!!!
Not to mention, I don't understand why you can't go bomb somewhere else, ans easily capture a base that no one even sees. You get all the strat points for score, you can take base after base with no one noticing, and yet what do they do? Attack the FHs at a furball base that does nothing for no one and instead makes the war effort even more troubling than just simply capuring bases where no one is at. I just don't understsnd it personally.
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What Wizz has "wizzed" by is the old adage "The Customer is Always right".
Of course, they aren't, but in the end without them, there is not product. Right or wrong, if enough people leave due to what they deem as "horrible game play", and there is no product. The task for the product developer (HTC in this case) is to balance the changes to the product to the max benefit. If everyone was quitting because there was no rainbow colored tanks, then if it were me, I would paint a tank in rainbow colors if I wanted to stay in business. Of course, if this is just a very vocal minority, and no one is actually leaving, then it's fine. Wizz, if you can't understand that simple concept, I got nutt'n left for ya.
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Its like watching a worm with salt on it
The who in the where now? :headscratch:
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What Wizz has "wizzed" by is the old adage "The Customer is Always right".
Of course, they aren't, but in the end without them, there is not product. Right or wrong, if enough people leave due to what they deem as "horrible game play", and there is no product. The task for the product developer (HTC in this case) is to balance the changes to the product to the max benefit. If everyone was quitting because there was no rainbow colored tanks, then if it were me, I would paint a tank in rainbow colors if I wanted to stay in business. Of course, if this is just a very vocal minority, and no one is actually leaving, then it's fine. Wizz, if you can't understand that simple concept, I got nutt'n left for ya.
I dont mind taking the heat for my opinion. Nit one person can argue against your points.
but HTC has not budged on HQ. So one day a group of guys decided it was time to make good use of how easy HQ is to take down. I decided to aid in this because doing it your way like everyone else isnt getting it done. At the same time i learned to deal with it. Now i dont care if my Hq is down i still can play... and rest easy no one can shade me :x
See yall think because i argue gainst you i am dumb. that i dont see the picture but your wrong. I see it but the way things are its not going to change and thats fine. I do things my way. If you dont like it come find me and stop me. Otherwise get back in the game you once loved and try to enjoy it. If you dont like your HQ down start killing Hq's and get revenge. Its great!!!
You see as a rook we deal with hordes, we get ganged up on both fronts when you ser we are the greatest threat. We deal with so much just like you. Do we complain? Most of the rook nation does not for a reason!
Rooks start sounding off in this thread your displeasure with game play and HQ dropping please
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I too, either log off or Gv when HQ goes down, mostly just logoff.
Game just isn't fun without dar it becomes like clue or 20 questions.
What if HQ came back up 100% after 10 min just like a Cv ?
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I too, either log off or Gv when HQ goes down, mostly just logoff.
Game just isn't fun without dar it becomes like clue or 20 questions.
What if HQ came back up 100% after 10 min just like a Cv ?
I might be mistaken...but it used to be down for 15 minutes flat
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I might be mistaken...but it used to be down for 15 minutes flat
45 minutes, but resupplyable.
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I like that this game is MMO and not round based. You really need the bombers and tanker and fighters all in the same arena all fighting for the same cause. Plus in a round base model squads will be disbanned the game won't have the same feel. It makes the game whole and more Interesting with a big map. I'm sure Hitech and them will fix the HQ problem. Obviously it does need some adjusting.
Once the #s fill up on the maps the level of play becomes very competitive and very fun and there are battles going on all over the place. It is crazy exciting. We just gotta market the new version well enough.
From what I've heard there will be changes to the new game that many of us have been bickering about. I'm sure alpha and HTC team have heard our concerns.
With many hopes the new AH will take off and collect a lot of new/older players and keep them around.
My guess is all you've heard is "wishful speculation". I tend not to believe anything I hear unless it comes from HTC themselves. Even then I wait to SEE it before I'll fully believe it. HTC is very good at only letting out what they are doing for sure, stuff that has been written in stone for a few months before they let it out. Even then, I give them the benefit of the doubt as "stuff happens".
The HQ problem can be fixed in a minute (harden HQ). It can be tweaked over the following week or two until a nice balance is found so that it can still be taken down, but requires a few more players, there by generating a fight to do so.
If they can be believed, we have lost a few more players. Not being able to find a fight is one of the causes given. How many more will have to leave before HTC does something about it?
I spent time jumping from flashing base to flashing base to see what was where. More often than not it was a set of high buffs porking the centers of towns. I even went through a dozen or so drop tanks running up and down the corridor between the city and HQ, scoring a few kills on some A20s hitting the city. Very boring afternoon into evening. Almost jumped in a buff myself to work on some bombing achievements. Dar finally came up and stayed up later in the evening and a number of fights broke out.
So after spending 8 hours contemplating canceling my subscription, I had 2 hours of fun that knocked that idea out of my head.
Personally I think HTC is wasting their time with the new version. If game play isn't brought back to the point where its fun again, they will release the new version to the last 50 subscribers.
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45 minutes, but resupplyable.
Better then 120 minutes :aok
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Better then 120 minutes :aok
Isn't that not factoring in city downage though? I was under the impression city affected it?
Pretty sure it was above 45 the last time I cared enough to .dt the HQ.
Wiley.
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Isn't that not factoring in city downage though? I was under the impression city affected it?
Pretty sure it was above 45 the last time I cared enough to .dt the HQ.
Wiley.
This is how it's now - 45+city. Junky contemplated on how it's used to be, and that was 45mins flat (minus resupply)
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I will stay as long as they keep the doors open on HTC..my reasons are simple..the game is playable and enjoyable as is and as demonstrated in the last 2 Memorial flights that I've participated in..the aces
high community as a whole is second to none..and that is what makes it worth my 15 bucks. .IMHO
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Yep last time I was on, hq was down most of the time. Then nits started floating 8-9 lanc fleets as low alt missions because nobody could intercept them. Everyone was complaining how stupid it was. I logged. Yesterday I didn't even bother to play again.
HTC needs to harden the HQ so that it will take at least 3-4 full sets of lancs to kill and get rid of the radar blinding ability once and for all.
A slight edit to your post. This will solve the problem. Make the HQ worthy of destroying, by rewarding the attackers with a tangible benefit, instead of it's current role as "griefer's paradise".
Trolls are banned from the bulletin board, yet scurry about freely in the MA, intentionally ruining the fun of paying customers. If someone shoots you down and you get mad, that's your problem. If someone purposefully shuts down the darbars just to piss people off, that is a game problem.
And still the complaints fall on deaf ears.
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Seems now, every time Hitech posts picture updates on the goodies he is creating in the alpha to let you know what's coming, or how far along he has things. Some dork has to open one of these doom and gloom threads with everyone piles on taking polar sides to it. And then all of the thinly veiled threats by players of a.) thinking of quiting or else. b.) was going to quit but, some nebulous change of heart but, you see I might have, so you better listen to my whines or else. Change itty bitty a-z or else......
There is only Hitech doing code on AH3.
AH2 has run it's course.
Making changes to AH2 means watching for the fallout that will precipitate over weeks. AH3 then is a factor of those weeks behind schedule. The game AH2 is what it is. AH3 courtesy of the screen shots and posted films is not.
If you are going to leave you will leave. If you are going to stay you will stay. Hitech is building AH3, give him a break and put a cork in it. The door at AH swings both ways 24x7.
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Anytime a legitimate complaint arises, here comes Bustr:
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Seems now, every time Hitech posts picture updates on the goodies he is creating in the alpha to let you know what's coming, or how far along he has things. Some dork has to open one of these doom and gloom threads with everyone piles on taking polar sides to it. And then all of the thinly veiled threats by players of a.) thinking of quiting or else. b.) was going to quit but, some nebulous change of heart but, you see I might have, so you better listen to my whines or else. Change itty bitty a-z or else......
There is only Hitech doing code on AH3.
AH2 has run it's course.
Making changes to AH2 means watching for the fallout that will precipitate over weeks. AH3 then is a factor of those weeks behind schedule. The game AH2 is what it is. AH3 courtesy of the screen shots and posted films is not.
If you are going to leave you will leave. If you are going to stay you will stay. Hitech is building AH3, give him a break and put a cork in it. The door at AH swings both ways 24x7.
All of the screen shots of the new version show GRAPHIC updates. While that is nice and pretty and all none of them have showed anything pointing out possible game play changes.
New graphics are to help bring in new players, those that seem to think pretty pictures are more important than the actual game. I would be willing to bet that most players already play with lowered graphic setting now and really couldn't care less how pretty everything is. It is the game they want to play.
So now game play continues to changed as it is human nature to look for a better way. It's time for HTC to make changes so that all their hard work is not just pushed aside as being irrelevant to the way the game is played today. They should continually "steer" the game along it's course and not just let the players drive it off a cliff.
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Think CT light.
HiTech
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:noid
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So it would be possible to have HQ full up in 10 or15 min. Seems like that would work, people who get excited by bombing HQ could do it and the ones that want to be able to figure out were to fly can go get a sandwich and Dar will be back up.
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Think CT light.
HiTech
CT, or "Combat Tour" was going to be a bit closer to a role playing type of set up. You were going to have to start at the bottom and work your way up through the ranks. As higher ranks were achieved you would open ablities to run bigger and better missions. Think our "achievement" system with rewards.
The only way that addresses any of the issues that seem to be the leading factors of people leaving is if EVERYONE is too busy trying to move up the ranks to continue with the HQ drops and the population/ENY issues and such. On top of that not everyone is going to be "into" that type of play. I just got my second star and how long have we had that system in the game?
Griefers are going to grief, adjustment due to low numbers, these are the problems that need to be looked at.
So it would be possible to have HQ full up in 10 or15 min. Seems like that would work, people who get excited by bombing HQ could do it and the ones that want to be able to figure out were to fly can go get a sandwich and Dar will be back up.
The only problem with that is that an HQ bomber..... if he RTBs won't even be landed by the time HQ would be back up. The issue isn't that HQ drops dar... well to most people, the issue is one guy can sneak in with out a chance of getting caught and knock it out. There is no defense other than spending your "play time" circling HQ. And should you find some people who actually think that could be fun, you'll need a couple, one to watch high, and one to watch low.
Hitting HQ shouldn't be removed as an option, but it should be MUCH harder to take out. Make it so it takes 3 guys in formations to drop it. Now you need a mission to drop HQ. Now you need a few extra buffs to cover for possible loses. Now you need fighter cover to get those few guys through. Now you have a bigger chance of the mission being spotted and a defense time to be mounted. now you have COMBAT!
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I will stay as long as they keep the doors open on HTC..my reasons are simple..the game is playable and enjoyable as is and as demonstrated in the last 2 Memorial flights that I've participated in..the aces
high community as a whole is second to none..and that is what makes it worth my 15 bucks. .IMHO
I'll be there too scott :airplane: :joystick:
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now you have COMBAT!
And that's not what they're looking for. If everything goes spectacularly according to plan, most strat bombers don't want to get within range of an enemy aircraft.
Wiley.
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Bomb their HQ. Simple and elegant. Unless flying bomb trucks is beneath some of you. If it is, stop complaining, and fly a bomb truck. FLAME ON!! :bolt:
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If the HQ is down when I log on, I just log off.
Its too hard to find a fight.
What's the point of staying on and wasting my time ?
At least the scenarios can't be ruined by the playstation/xbox children.
Same here. Haven't been on in days. The griefing gets old.
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Some parameters that should be easy to change:
1. Increase damage to destroy.
2. Decrease down time.
3. Increase benefit of resupply, i.e. increase time reduction to 10 minutes per box from 4 minutes.
Improvements that require coding:
1. Adding ack, manned or otherwise.
2. Adding radar coverage. Big radar coverage.
3. Adding a 163 runway at the HQ itself.
4. Always put a vehicle spawn very close to HQ.
On many maps, the HQ is far from an easy resupply point, with radar free routes available. This would require some map redesigns.
This post is looking like a wishlist post, so, what the heck: Give us an Me 323 with increased resupply ability.
For the record, the game is still great. Frustrating at times, yes, but still the most fun I have on a computer.
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Well I solved my problem by quitting. Im not paying for a game with this kind of game play.
When the next version comes out I'll see if anything is rectified. As it is now its just a waste of time.
I am thinking the same. Would like to update my skins first but....the Dar Griefing and oversized maps with frontlines that barely move is hard to take.
:salute
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I'm sorry but flying 1 pair of bombers to a HQ and ruining everyone's fun experience, while not using it to your teams advantage (obviously because wars haven't been won) is the most easiest part to be good at, at the game. Same goes for killing the CV during huge battles as well as killing FHs for no reason at a base during a large furball.
You make me sick!!!! Sick I tell you. The sad part is that it is the easiest part of the game and you think your all high and mighty for it. I think it is just lame. For all of you who bomb the furball bases FHs and then don't capture the base (while ruining the fun fight) I hate you, I hate you all!!!
Not to mention, I don't understand why you can't go bomb somewhere else, ans easily capture a base that no one even sees. You get all the strat points for score, you can take base after base with no one noticing, and yet what do they do? Attack the FHs at a furball base that does nothing for no one and instead makes the war effort even more troubling than just simply capuring bases where no one is at. I just don't understsnd it personally.
Couldn't agree more.
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I'll be there too scott :airplane: :joystick:
Great! Enjoy playing with yourselves. (Pun.)
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Ok now I understand.
There is only one Dr. Frankenstein cooking up a new monster you will be forced to play with soon, like the new abomination or not. You guys still want to keep the mob going to burn the castle down over the old monster who is about to be put out to pasture along with your unresolved grievances. And you want Herr Doktor to stop ignoring your mob howling for the old monster's head, while he's sewing together a new monster you haven't been consulted about.
So which is it? You guys want to burn the castle down over the old monster? Hang the Doktor over your grievances? Or sew together the new monster your selves? Or all three at the same time?
None of you know how to make monsters. None of you are Doktors of monster making. And only one person in this soap opera has ever made monsters before. And he ain't a member of your pitchfork and torch parade. And it's still not really clear which one you want to hang more, him or his monster.
I think an average person by this point would walk away from this thankless no win scenario.
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I'm going to post this again so that people can learn how to create and find fights
If the dar is out, and you have a group of squadies on, go to the middle of the map and pick 110s or any other attack destroyer like 38s or 47s, and rick roll a base!
You can go NOE, high or right off a CV!
The catch is!
Enemy planes might roll! The other team may take notice and fight back!! TAAADAAHH a fight, ladies and gentlemen.
Or you can do my favorite and simply tell the other team over 200 you and your group of fellas are about to go bust up a base! And talk tons of crap as you are tearing down their base. The enemies will come!
If you can't find a fight, start one!!
No comment about the after hours. I just talk crap until people start to look for me.
Just gotta figure out how to find fights. Go to basses that are flashing and look around. Ask people. Pm someone on the other team for god sakes.
I admit.. Sometimes it can be dull. I understand what you guys are saying completely. Wizz is just trying to be the bomber version of Skyyr hahahaha! No pun intended.
You can do it!! The fights are out there! Don't be afraid to up in that big red horde you pansies. Die for your countries!
Thank you and happy hunting! :joystick:
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. . .AH2 has run it's course. . . .
That is like leading a race then a few feet from the finish celebrate your win only to be overtaken at the finish line.
As long as AH2 is game to play, attention should be given to its play to the very end.
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Great! Enjoy playing with yourselves. (Pun.)
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AH2 is still in production, and to keep existing player base happy, just increase the effort to bring down a HQ
A single player should not be able to do it.
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AH2 is still in production, and to keep existing player base happy, just increase the effort to bring down a HQ
A single player should not be able to do it.
Whatever happen to Me-163's around the HQ? When I quit playing 4 years ago people wouldn't dare unless they had 10+ formations because 15 Me-163s would scramble... When the B-29 came into play, only those with enough buff points would laugh and bring a B-29 to 32k over HQ and swat off the Me-163s.. I always sat and waited at night waiting for some con's to try to hit HQ, usually it was some funny bunny that was in a P-51 at 32k or Spitfire.
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I only pull for the Longhorns when they play a team from California. ;)
Go Spurs!
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I don't believe game play has actually changed to any great degree. Its clear that as MA numbers come down access to combat has changed/decreased.
I am not sure that HQ attrition is manifestly increased over previous years.
Its clear that whilst there can be so many and often conflicting "routes to fun" within the game play model then as numbers decrease this conflict increases.
What is clear is that the game play model is old (nearly 20 years old!) that during the cycles of player turnover those leaving are now greater than those joining.
This (one presumes) is the core point of AH3 development............ i.e. the reversal of such a trend.
Of course we all have our wish lists regarding game attributes we would like to see added or changed. However what (IMO) we see, is that the overriding development ambition should be one related to increasing the MA population.
Hence regardless of whether we like or dislike the coming changes, the test is that it induces a player turnover where more people join and fewer people leave. Because then we will see access to combat increase regardless of the detailia of the game play mechanisms.
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Whatever happen to Me-163's around the HQ? When I quit playing 4 years ago people wouldn't dare unless they had 10+ formations because 15 Me-163s would scramble... When the B-29 came into play, only those with enough buff points would laugh and bring a B-29 to 32k over HQ and swat off the Me-163s.. I always sat and waited at night waiting for some con's to try to hit HQ, usually it was some funny bunny that was in a P-51 at 32k or Spitfire.
First, the price had been upped to 100 perks. Which is enough to limit it's usage because contrary to some common myth the majority of players doesn't have ten thosuands of perks available.
Second, while large formations will create attention, single players can easy slip by. Especially as on several maps you will only get a HQ warning when it's too late already, even for Me 163s. On maps like Fester or SMFA the HQ base is too far away from the HQ to get there in time,
Third, it's not like a HQ raider is inbound every 5 minutes. Someone trying to sit at/near HQ for raiders to show up may have a very boring afternoon for a huge part. But with the extended downtimes, it only need one raider to bring it down for up to two hours.
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I am not sure that HQ attrition is manifestly increased over previous years.
It has due to the significantly increased downtime. Instead of 45 mins you now can often see 100minutes and more, with more limited resupply efficiency to boot. If you add in less players available for defense and resupply (this noon, when I logged in, we were a total of 13 players in the LW arena!), the impact has been gone up a lot.
This is even more emphasized by the fact that with few players, there are harldy any batles that you can find just by going to the flashing bases.
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It has due to the significantly increased downtime. Instead of 45 mins you now can often see 100minutes and more, with more limited resupply efficiency to boot. If you add in less players available for defense and resupply (this noon, when I logged in, we were a total of 13 players in the LW arena!), the impact has been gone up a lot.
This is even more emphasized by the fact that with few players, there are harldy any batles that you can find just by going to the flashing bases.
Thinking out loud....
Should down-time and resupply effectiveness be dynamic and proportional to player count?
Wab
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A few simple clicks and maybe 3 minutes of time in arena settings would fix the problem. My opinion is to treat it like.any other hangar @15 min downtime and triple hardness. Or else just untie the HQ from all radar.
:old: On second thought, if HQ is down , instead of radar down make all the armchair generals
...,...na just a random thought
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A few simple clicks and maybe 3 minutes of time in arena settings would fix the problem. My opinion is to treat it like.any other hangar @15 min downtime and triple hardness. Or else just untie the HQ from all radar.
:old: On second thought, if HQ is down , instead of radar down make all the armchair generals
...,...na just a random thought
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Thinking out loud....
Should down-time and resupply effectiveness be dynamic and proportional to player count?
Wab
No, because that would require a baseline assumption that all players are relatively equal in capability and/or teamwork.
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:)
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More suggestions for improving game play due to HQ dropping:
1. Hide it. I do not believe that the Air Defence HQ in the UK during the war was all that hard of a target. It was SECRET.
So, just take it off the map. It is still there in game, just harder to find.
2. Dispersion. The Eastern front was a huge area and must have had multiple air defence headquarters.
3. Beat the dead horse some more. Harden it (the German solution).
If the HQ is down and it is off peak time, up a Jabo aircraft, fly to a hostile base, bomb the radar tower and wait. I find that someone will usually up to see what is happening.
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More suggestions for improving game play due to HQ dropping:
1. Hide it. I do not believe that the Air Defence HQ in the UK during the war was all that hard of a target. It was SECRET.
So, just take it off the map. It is still there in game, just harder to find.
2. Dispersion. The Eastern front was a huge area and must have had multiple air defence headquarters.
Well... if you're gonna go there, in what Unicornian lala land does knocking out an HQ disrupt an entire country defense system? I mean, other than this one. Blasting HQ and killing dar is set up in this "game" to support nothing other than certain types getting that thrill up their leg. It's about muny stoopid.
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I'm going to post this again so that people can learn how to create and find fights
If the dar is out, and you have a group of squadies on, go to the middle of the map and pick 110s or any other attack destroyer like 38s or 47s, and rick roll a base!
You can go NOE, high or right off a CV!
The catch is!
Enemy planes might roll! The other team may take notice and fight back!! TAAADAAHH a fight, ladies and gentlemen.
Or you can do my favorite and simply tell the other team over 200 you and your group of fellas are about to go bust up a base! And talk tons of crap as you are tearing down their base. The enemies will come!
If you can't find a fight, start one!!
No comment about the after hours. I just talk crap until people start to look for me.
Just gotta figure out how to find fights. Go to basses that are flashing and look around. Ask people. Pm someone on the other team for god sakes.
I admit.. Sometimes it can be dull. I understand what you guys are saying completely. Wizz is just trying to be the bomber version of Skyyr hahahaha! No pun intended.
You can do it!! The fights are out there! Don't be afraid to up in that big red horde you pansies. Die for your countries!
Thank you and happy hunting! :joystick:
This is a nice idea and I believe it works - When there are enough players on. I log on to less than 40 people in game and usually 50% in flight. Let's presume the others are in GV's and not AKF and also presume side numbers are even. 20 people in flight divided across 3 teams........7 each..... 3 of those are in buffs doing milk runs.....good luck getting a group together to do any serious harm and provoke a fight.
And if the 3 did decide to up and try to turn the tide they would likely be met by GV's in flakkers because it is only 1 notch harder than milk running buffs and a long way from the skills required to actually take off and fight. Or maybe they would not be met at all because the enemy dar is down and you are now just one of 5 bases flashing.
Off hours is terrible and there is little can be done to change it but the presence of dar bars to make the fights easier to find may be a step in the right direction. For me, there is either a fight or there is not. I ask on 200 for DA. If no one wants to I log off.
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The role of radar is two fold in game and sometimes these conflict.
It has a defence function that enables defenders to gauge accurately the size and location of incoming forces and intercept before they strike at ground targets. Killing radar either via the HQ or locally blinds the defending forces and makes the attack more efficient.
It has "an access to fun" function. In as much as it enables players to "find each other" in order to enjoy combat. Killing radar either via the HQ or locally blinds players such that access to combat is less efficient.
Finding mechanisms that separate the above such that both are efficiently achieved without prejudicing each other should (IMO) be the objective.
Radar rings rarely over lap such that dot indication only extends some 15 miles from a given friendly base it can be destroyed by hitting a single target.
Darbar is map wide but it is not very accurate and is only indicated by sector.
Base flash is map wide but it does not differentiate between ground and air threats.
There is no warning of a naval threat unless someone spawns to activate one of the above.
IMO we could re shuffle the balance somewhat just with settings.
Double if not treble the range of radar rings so we get massively overlapping dot radar.(earlier dot indication, easier to find combat, less attritable)
Treble if not quadruple the range of darbar but set it to "range" not map wide. (Still good range of warning without "deep sight" of enemy forces behind their lines)
Double HQ hardness. Remove darbar from the HQ attrition list (is this possible under arena settings?)
At terrain build level
We could add an uncapturable vehicle field (without spawns) immediately adjacent to the HQ. It would provide radar cover and access to repair, and its "supply buildings" would add and additional required attrition element if the HQ raid was to sustain any long term depletion of HQ services.
At a coad level.
Find a way that base flash differentiates between land/sea/air attack.
Find a way that bomber formations show up differently on dot radar.
and
Enhance the audio / radio warning system.....
an example is below.
In addition to "base under attack" we would have (once launched) a longer range warning of "enemy approaching" but enhance this to "enemy <type> approaching" where by we know if we are being advised re aircraft, vehicle or ship. This is then enhanced further with a simple compass bearing from our present location. "enemy <type> to the <bearing>" where by we are additionally advised whether this enemy is currently to the North, East, South, West.
The range may be as far as 3 x icon range. The warning would switch off (or change to a sort of "enemy <type> nearby") once the enemy was within a visual range. This range may change by ride.
The warning could be both audible and written. The frequency could be set by the player from the clipboard. The "Type" could be filtered by the player at the clip board. (or indeed an appropriate radio channel has to be tuned to in order to receive them {10= aircraft, 20=vehicles, 30= ships, 40 = all})
The warning would be limited to the nearest enemy unless that enemy "Type" had been switched off at the "Type" filter.
In this way we are guided to combat even without radar.
we simply listen/ read the "Enemy <type> to the <bearing>" guidance until we find it.
Our FE has all the data it needs to do this.
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All this complaining..... Get organized people.
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Funny thing is that some of the idiots who keep bailin'n bombing HQ are also complaining about low numbers...
:cheers:
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Funny thing is that some of the idiots who keep bailin'n bombing HQ are also complaining about low numbers...
Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuup
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Funny thing is that some of the idiots who keep bailin'n bombing HQ are also complaining about low numbers...
:cheers:
And there is the problem, very few of these guys fly back home. It gets very frustrating to climb to altitude catch the raiders and then have them bail when they see you coming. Do not let these idiot HQ bombers fly to HQ bomb then bail to do it all over again.
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I dont think "any" of them fly home. Some on purpose, or maybe most. Some cause there is nobody to fight them due to the pop numbers. I didnt quit solely due to the poor game play but also due to my work schedule. If I have one night to fly in Aces High is gets pretty aggravating to have greifers bombing HQs.
And it didnt take me posting about it for them to find out what they are doing to the game. Between the chatter on 200 and the the players logging off there is no doubt they knew exactly what they were doing and what reaction they were getting. This thread is not "hot off the presses news".
Miserable. Simply miserable. That a few morons are allowed to impact the game like this is terrible. I mostly hung around for the community, which has always been great, but in the end I expect to be able to find good fights. And now its very difficult.
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No doubt these type people can't resist yanking a pacifier from a sleeping babies mouth just to wake them up and hear them cry.
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Now you are getting a bit silly. ;)
The HQ, just like factories, hangars and CV's are legitimate targets set up by HTC for players to attack and to destroy. As much as I think it sucks for gameplay under current circumstances, you are blaming the wrong people for playing a mechanism put there deliberately. And there's only one instance who could adjust this mechanism. Screaming at other players won't do nothing.
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you must defend your headquarters. But I'm with the rest when it should take at least 3 sets of bombers to kill it. 3 sets of bombers coming in makes it worth the time to climb to kill them.
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I think it should be hardened. but at the same time AvA always has good fights when theres people there. If all these people compaining about HQ went there then the AvA would have tons of fun factor appeal. or the DA or the MWA even. I log about 2.5-3 hours aday typically in the AM with numbers in the 30s-50s and have no problem finding fights. Just cant get your way all the time so make due and start a fight.
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I think it should be hardened. but at the same time AvA always has good fights when theres people there. If all these people compaining about HQ went there then the AvA would have tons of fun factor appeal. or the DA or the MWA even. I log about 2.5-3 hours aday typically in the AM with numbers in the 30s-50s and have no problem finding fights. Just cant get your way all the time so make due and start a fight.
:airplane: :headscratch: I am a little confused about this bomb and bail thing! I realize someone is trying to shut down DAR for our side, but does the bail count against the bailing bomber pilot?
I never have any trouble finding a fight!!! It always seems to follow me around like a little puppy! Last night was good example, as some Rook friends and I upped some B-17's as we do when I am in the game, 95% of the time.
At one time, down to two sets of aircraft, Poppseed and I had 6, count them, 6 bad guys on us, with only one fighter escort, GSX somebody, and we got to our targets 2 sectors deep in "Indian" country, fough our way to the target and while we didn't hit all the hangars, we did kill 3 of the 4 fighter hangars we were assigned.
Upon departure from target area, they finally killed all of Poppy's aircraft, because he was trying to help defend me, as my wing man. I finally got one aircraft home after several other Rooks intervened.
DWI and Snailman were two of the opponents involved in the attacks on us, so the opposition was first quality and we still managed to fight them off to some degree.
I recant this mission just to point out, there are plenty of fights in the MLW arena, but you first have to do something to draw attention to your chosen "play ground"!
Get you 2 to 4 sets of any of the bombers, head somewhere and soon you will be engaged!
I to, get frustrated by the DAR killing HQ attacks, but I think Hi Tech is well aware of what is going on and I am sure he is planning something to correct the situation!!!
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:airplane: :headscratch: I am a little confused about this bomb and bail thing! I realize someone is trying to shut down DAR for our side, but does the bail count against the bailing bomber pilot?
It counts against their score big time and reduces their perks earned (which are miniscule for a killed HQ anyway). But like many (probably even most) players, they don't care about score anyway.
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I care about score to a certain extent. under 500 and im happy.
ET is right. I mean yesterday when Poppiseed ET and my self were in 29s we had pursuers but GSX beat them back and we had enough speed to get away. Had we been in slower buffs it may have been an engagement.
Another mission i had 4 others meet me on the rwy with some type of ords 10 minutes later we come to a field and within 2 minutes theres 4 uppers and BOOM the furball began. which turned in to an all out rook bish brawl lasting 2 hours and we lost A 70. but emptiness turned to war just like that. starting a fight is easier than finding one. My answer to your riddle is start one it doesnt take much espically if you go for the bish they like to defend.
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Seems like HQ down time being limited to 10 or 15 min. would be an easy fix for HTC . . . if he wanted to do it.
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I think of it this way:
There seems to be two groups in the argument, those who want to fly fighters and find fights, and those who fly bombers/attackers and are hitting the HQ, preventing the fighter guys from finding fights, or at least making it much more difficult.
The thing of it is, there isn't an equal mechanism for the fighter types to hit something, and make finding targets/fun for the bomber guys more difficult. All things being equal, if there was a target building that could be strafed or rocketed by fighters, which removed the HQ from the map, and made the Headquarters unit mobile, as it would be in war - would we not be hearing similar complaints from bombers, saying "we can't find anything to bomb, because the targets aren't on radar anymore, and they are mobile".
Point being, there IS no such equal option for fighter types to take vs the bombers. One of the primary functions to stimulate air combat (what the game used to be about), air contact radar, can be essentially shut off by in game actions (bombers), while there is no option for players to shut off the ground targets on that same radar map, and similarly affect the targeting/fun for the bomber pilots. Air target tracking intel can be affected, but not the intel regarding the ground targets.
That is really the bottom line IMO, it seems like a double standard to those who have voiced complaint about finding a2a fights, that "their" way of playing can be affected by in game play, while the way those doing that affecting play (bombers) similarly cannot.
I do think this will all be addressed in the new version, at least I'm hoping. I haven't complained about the no radar thing, but that's mainly as I don't put much time in, I can understand how those flying 3 or 4 hours a day could get sick of the dar being down, and not really having a way to stop it (no, orbiting waiting for bombers over the HQ isn't what most fighter types would consider "fighting" ).
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This is exactly why the game is degrading. This HQ issue has been discussed on these forums for YEARS now, Becoming even more prevalent in the past 8 months. Emails and phone calls have been made to HTC also. But NOTHING has been offered by HTC, No comment, No solution. Infact .. not even an acknowledgement. MANY grat players, have offered MANY great ideas to solve this problem, but without ANY feeback from HTC, we can only assume they have been ignored.
(forgive me if this has been addressed by HTC, I don't read the forums nearly as much as I used to. But since I have not personally seen a response, and people are still complaining about the exact same issue, I can only assume it has not)
So their customers are left frustrated and ignorant to the future of the game. I have seen so many long time players who contributed immensely to this game, simply throw up their hands and leave.
I used look forward all day, to getting home and playing. Last month I hardly played at all, this month I think I've logged in 3 times, and quite frankly.. I was a little peeved when I saw HTC billed my card this month, because I had planned to suspend my account for a few months, maybe even cancel completely.
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The nature of the game allows the game play to evolve and this will probably be cyclical in nature over time. I believe that the biggest challenge is that everyone has a finite life in the game......eventually at some point all players will lose interest and leave(for various reasons).........some people will come and go and some will be gone for good.......hopefully others will take their place to keep it going for those that remain....that will be the challenge for the new format....:old:
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Ill restate to upp with your wingman/men and drop just a couple of bombs on a base and you will have a fight
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Seems to me there should be a variable on damage and timings depending on how many people are logged on. In days of old when you had 4-500 people online, dropping HQ to enable captures made sense. Theses days when you have 25 people on, dropping HQ is a smartasses milkrun.
I am about a year from being able to come back into the game. I hope it is still around.
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I had a 3 year break from AH. I've been back for about a year now and I've noticed that the HQ bombing is pretty rampant since my return. There hasn't been a day that I'm on when I see the strats flashing. I don't understand why the change all of a sudden.
On a side note, I've also been accused of cheating pretty much once a week in a PM. Have you seen my score???
This isn't a complaint, just an observation. The reason why I returned was because I did miss out on the flying. I still suck, but for $15 dollars a month, it's still pretty fun.
Looking forward to AH3. :aok
Obie
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The game play lately sucks!
Not seeing it.
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You are seeing it though Nef. Look at the numbers for special events. Even FSO isn't what it used to be. The best advertising for special events is a vibrant and full main arena. Combine the drop in numbers with the state of gameplay in the MA and it hurts all over.
To sell Special Events the game has to give people a reason to get hooked. When even the long time diehards are logging in and logging off right away thanks to the idiocy of a few, that's not a good sign.
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Not seeing it.
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb180/ralphmunnich/41715FRANCE.jpg) (http://s205.photobucket.com/user/ralphmunnich/media/41715FRANCE.jpg.html)
Two things, one, how often do you see that in the mains? As that picture is named "41715FRANCE.jpg" I'm thinking that is a shot from a scenario, not the mains. There are the occasional buff raids, but more often than not it is a lone buff sneaking in to either milk run citys, or drop HQ for sh$ts and grins.
Second, not a lot of people would call that a fight. Some who are good at shooting would call it a turkey shoot, other , like the majority of the players would call it suicide hope to take one or two with them knowing they wouldn't have the time to get back to them anyway.
Whats the point of having over 100 planes when players only seem to use 8 or 10 of them?
Whats the point of having 30 vehicles if players only use 3 or 4 of them?
Whats the point or having an HQ that can be flatten by a single player?
Whats the point of having a mission planner if all anyone ever does is "grab the fastest cannon bird with bombs and run noe to yada, yada, yada"?
Game play is going to change as different types of players migrate through the game. However, when things get twisted out of what you SHOULD be able to expect in a COMBAT game that "takes the art and science of vintage WW1 and WW2 air combat and sets it in a high intensity online multiplayer environment. Hundreds of players simultaneously battle it out against each other in massive aerial dogfights and bomber raids.", adjustments must be made or we will continue to see the slow exodus of players that we have been watching for a while now.
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You are seeing it though Nef. Look at the numbers for special events. Even FSO isn't what it used to be.
Numbers are Numbers, that's it. FSO is FSO whether the numbers are 50 vs 50 or 250 vs 250. Right now it hovers at 125 vs 125 and me and my squad are having a blast.
Two things, one, how often do you see that in the mains? As that picture is named "41715FRANCE.jpg" I'm thinking that is a shot from a scenario, not the mains.
It is from FSO, which happens every Friday Night. It may not be an 8th AF bomber raid every Friday, as it changes from month to month, but the fights are there and they are planned and usually well executed.
I hardly fly in the MA, over 15 years in this game. The Main Arena stopped doing it for me in 2004 or so, I want historical fights and more realistic settings with squad mates who put mission over squad accolades.
If the Main Arena was a historical battlefield arena, I would be there, but it's not, so I am not.
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On a side note, I've also been accused of cheating pretty much once a week in a PM.
While there had always been such accusations in AH, the depth and frequency has (imho) really gone through the roof.
When I joined AH, trhe occasional nutbag ranting about that (or 'hacking') would have met some serious flak on the country channel. These days, not anymore.
I remember two recent nights in tank crater were literally everybody on my team but me agreed on the 'fact' that this game is totally hacked by players like DR7 and others. I was speechless.
In my opinion, this is far more damaging to the game than any other thing in AH. But there's also not much that you, as an individual player, can do about that anymore. Even detailed explanations about game mechanisms don't help when new players learn from well established large squads that abotu everything is hacked and everyone cheats on them.
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Nef, some can't get into the Special Events because they only have a short time to play.
And sometimes the historical match ups make for some pretty lame fights. Like F4F vs Zeros, that one was terrible because the zeros historical tactics actually made them timid...because they didnt have to fight....then there is the buffs flying above 25K...seen about 4 threads in the past year.....
The one event that doesn't change (except day of the month because we only have one host) is KOTH. You can expect to find good fights in there even if the MA is getting stale. Would like to see it get back to Fri and Sat.
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Nef, some can't get into the Special Events because they only have a short time to play.
And sometimes the historical match ups make for some pretty lame fights. Like F4F vs Zeros
I beg to differ. :old:
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It is from FSO, which happens every Friday Night. It may not be an 8th AF bomber raid every Friday, as it changes from month to month, but the fights are there and they are planned and usually well executed
...and at 5am :noid
Not that it matters pretty much to me personally, as I, being in total opposition to you, have given up on special events years ago anway ;)
For me it's all about the MA, and during my usual times it's now between less than 20 at noon, about 80-120 during prime and maybe 160 at late evening during the week.
Some gameplay mechanisms that had been put in for substantially higher player counts start to fail with numbers that low, notably the combination of HQ downtime, large maps and 12 hour rule.
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Numbers are Numbers, that's it. FSO is FSO whether the numbers are 50 vs 50 or 250 vs 250. Right now it hovers at 125 vs 125 and me and my squad are having a blast.
It is from FSO, which happens every Friday Night. It may not be an 8th AF bomber raid every Friday, as it changes from month to month, but the fights are there and they are planned and usually well executed.
I hardly fly in the MA, over 15 years in this game. The Main Arena stopped doing it for me in 2004 or so, I want historical fights and more realistic settings with squad mates who put mission over squad accolades.
If the Main Arena was a historical battlefield arena, I would be there, but it's not, so I am not.
I'm not telling you anything you don't know in regards to my interest in history. Bottom line for me is the survival of special events is getting people invested in the game and creating an environment that encourages them to explore all aspects of AH. New folks start in the MA not special events. If the MA isn't healthy the health of special events suffer.
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Make the HQ an object that must be scouted in order to know the location???
Oh, and harden the kg requirements...
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I hardly fly in the MA, over 15 years in this game. The Main Arena stopped doing it for me in 2004 or so, I want historical fights and more realistic settings with squad mates who put mission over squad accolades.
The Main Arena is the life's blood of events. Without it, events and Aces High itself will eventually die. Even if events ran for 3 hours a day, every day it would still only amount to 12.5% of the total Aces High time. Hard to sell a game that runs less than 13% of the time in today's gaming world.
I agree with you on the historical fights and mission orientated scenarios. In addition, I fully support the concept of mission over squadron and over personal glory, but even that is disappearing in events. The last FSO I attended I was told on range that a certain squad was there to get kills and I should stay out of their way. That was the last time I flew in FSO and I'm not sure I want to return. It is disappointing because the 412th are a good group of guys, but I'm simply not enjoying it.
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That's a shame Del, we sure do miss ya.
I can't argue with anything you, Guppy or Lusche says.
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Ill restate to upp with your wingman/men and drop just a couple of bombs on a base and you will have a fight
This does work in some cases.. but what you end up with is a few guys not allowing an upping con to get any E... they get bored with the lack of competitive offering and go elsewhere...usually the tower to wait for a real fight...even a base take can be better than this....
I do this often as I am a self proposed defender of bases for the side I am on... but when I can't even get to 1500ft each time I flag it as I am not going to be somebodies patsy... the few(not the squad) doing this think it is great but the single guy just puts it up as lame play.... Hmmm well i should actually stipulate here that these are my thoughts and feelings...I will up a few times and put up the best fight I can but if it becomes a futile operation I will stop... many times I have done this exact thing and then a couple of others will up with me and the guys "looking for a fight" leave...I guess the odds just get too real for them... Don't get me wrong...not saying this is what you do...but I have done this for a long time now and it is the majority... But i do it because there are those times that a real awesome fight happens... love multicon V me fights when I am offered a little grace...I die a lot but there can be some great stuff happen...
I also do it as it can be the only action I see at my general login time
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Not seeing it.
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The HQ crutch is not necessary for fun gameplay.
Just ask on channel what is where and you get an answer.
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The HQ crutch is not necessary for fun gameplay.
Just ask on channel what is where and you get an answer.
It's more than just the HQ being down. The constant killing of HQ is just one of the symptoms of how the game play has changed.
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The HQ crutch is not necessary for fun gameplay.
Just ask on channel what is where and you get an answer.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8586/16605158046_f743a6b2f4_c.jpg)
It's a symptom of the rot in the game.
If HQ was being taken out as a tactic when it comes back up wouldn't you see a bunch of attacks going all along the front of the team that took out HQ? They know it went down. With no dar there is no need to climb to alt, or hide NOE. It is the perfect time to grab as many bases as you can.
But we don't see that, what we see is some A holes having their fun ticking off all the other players who are trying to play a game. We seem to lose more and more ticked off players every week and lucky us we get to keep the A holes. :rolleyes:
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It's a symptom of the rot in the game.
I can't be to blame :old: ; I've hardly had time to follow the stock market (my favorite past time) with nursing school (finals in 3 weeks); let alone play games.
My professors keep playing reindeer games; I have a rot nose though.
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Anyone who references SpongeBob Squarepants in an argument shouldn't be allowed to play this game. :neener:
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Seems everyone has a different view on how the game play is going or play styles. I always viewed the Main Arena as nothing more then practice for scenarios, fso's and snapshots. Since 2002 I've always seen people days before an FSO event flying their "event ride" to practice, as vOid once pointed out "why not familiar yourself with the ride you are going to be flying in the events?". I used the Main arena to challenge myself also, flying Ki-84s and C.205s in a late war arena was much more challenging then it seems. I believe it made me a better pilot, as there was no aircraft I couldn't fly without regard in any situation or scenario.
The Duel Arena was nothing more then challenge myself to learn to fight more efficiently, when my gunnery improved - I was able to show you could down 8 planes in a C.202 on a random sortie. Could I pull it off always? course not, but I gave myself expectations that in any scenario I would be confident enough I could handle any mission.
FSO, Snapshots and Scenarios was just where I put it all on the line. I left the game almost 3 years ago today because of personal reasons - it wasn't because the "main arena" was changing, it has always changed since 2002 - I pretty much learned the game play was turning "sour" when the Muppets had to put up a dogfight mission in the Main arena because frankly everything at this point was to "NOE undefended bases". There was no fighting spirit left in the game it seemed, of course there are people like Del and Latrobe who I flew with that always gave you a good time, even if it was once a week it made it worth it. Sorry I cannot comment on the gameplay now, I've been lurking only hoping to have an interest in coming back, but for three years now my thrustmasters warthogs have sat untouched. I guess I can say I lost all "interest", only because when I could fly - there were not very many fights going on, of course the loss in players attributed to that.
I think in my best opinion its because players like me; have chosen to move on - as much as I wanted to stick around (I didn't pay $500 for thrustmasters for nothing), I just lost all interest and hope.
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I finally got to play between 2-6pm est time yesterday afternoon and I have to say it was impossible not to find a fight. I was fighting on the bish and we were getting swarmed by both sides for hours. I was having fun fighting both fronts when one side got a lil smaller. I had plenty of action and plenty of enemies to shoot down. Was a lot of fun and never a dull moment. Maybe it was because I was on the Bish side, but we definitely had a lot of action!
If you only have an hour or a short time to play, switch to the team that is getting jumped. Sometimes you can find all sorts of awesome action or huge fights with tons of red guys to shoot.
Just gotta find the fights and don't take the whole chess piece loyalty too seriously. There are many fights to be had! :old:
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I finally got to play between 2-6pm est time yesterday afternoon and I have to say it was impossible not to find a fight.
I was lucky if I found a fight between 2-4pm EST, usually I would end up switching countries to find the fight, but when it died down then it was time to log since the whole time switch. Once a week I would get lucky to walk into a furball when I logged in, but it was starting to get more rare the more I stayed around, and this was years ago.
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Make the HQ an object that must be scouted in order to know the location???
Oh, and harden the kg requirements...
That wouldn't be historically accurate. We all know that Bletchley park and the aerial command bunker was clearly marked to Hitlers map via postal address from Churchills get-well card. :devil
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I was lucky if I found a fight between 2-4pm EST, usually I would end up switching countries to find the fight, but when it died down then it was time to log since the whole time switch. Once a week I would get lucky to walk into a furball when I logged in, but it was starting to get more rare the more I stayed around, and this was years ago.
Granted it was Sunday. However, there was also a SEA event going on as well that took about 60 -100 people. So really in truely the fights are there. On a weekday I don't think the #s would be as high, but there are still fights. I usually log in after work between 5-6 before my GF nags me to log off, and most of the time I switch to the team that is getting owned and go battle the hoard. I mean it is a lot of fun and I normally find more than I can chew. Sometimes it is slow, and thats when I wish we had more people playing. All it takes is 350 people in the MA to have a heck of a time.
Alls I'm saying is that there really isn't that much of a lack of fights. It just takes a little bit of understanding and experience to make the best out of it and go fight against the team that is mass hoarding.
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I left quiet some time ago, mainly because of personal reasons,work, life,love and the pursuit of happiness.
I never found a problem finding a fight, we would intentionally up from capped bases or near a capped base, if HQ was getting hit, we would just up 163 and have a hoot. Reading all this seems like that there's a rift between the older," glory and Honor" crew and the current day gamers. To be honest I really never cared if HQ was down or not, if it was down I just upped bases near where a fight was and headed that way. The best times are when all three sides are dog fighting and you save an opposing team pilet and then you know he's thinking he's safe and then you get him too!!
Everyone,when they first start is excited and thrilled with the learning curve and then as time progresses and skills improve, then at some point boredom sets in because as BB King says "THE THRILL IS GONE"
It's how you make the transition that determines how you come to interpret the game as a whole.
Aces High has always been what you make it, good or bad.
HAIL!!
Das Ficker/Creton
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I never found a problem finding a fight, we would intentionally up from capped bases or near a capped base, if HQ was getting hit, we would just up 163 and have a hoot.
How do you have a hoot in the 163 when the HQ raider went NOE to his target and bails after drop? ;)
How do you find 'the fight' when you are not playing during US times, when the only targets on your front are single high/med alt raiders here and there, which are effectively hidden with no darbar? When there are no battles with "capped fields"?
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It's more than just the HQ being down. The constant killing of HQ is just one of the symptoms of how the game play has changed.
I'm not entirely convinved HQ are being more attacked these days. What has changed is the impact of each single incident - HQ used to be down for 45minutes and was easy to resupp. HQ mostly were back up before the HQ raider (if he survived) could even get home. Now downtimes easily cross the 100 minute line.
We have much less players, which often significantly reduces the ability to resupply the HQ. It also means less battles/enemies you can find even with HQ down.
As I said before, there are gameplay mechanisms which were designed for greater player numbers and now really begin to be a burden.
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...We seem to lose more and more ticked off players every week and lucky us we get to keep the A holes. :rolleyes:
And, again, they are the same complaining about low numbers ! :old:
If HTC Just authorize us to create a thread where we ll post films with those A-Holes bailing after bombing, im sure the bailing a-holes population will be divided -at least- by 10 ! :devil
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If HTC Just authorize us to create a thread where we ll post films with those A-Holes bailing after bombing, im sure the bailing a-holes population will be divided -at least- by 10 ! :devil
...Why?
Wiley.
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Because no bailer likes to be sent under the light, where their name is exposed, their reputation torn to pieces and their hypocrisy exposed (when they blame game numbers on one hand, then bail undamaged after bombing or when an enemy is closing on them on other hand) ! :old:
...Why?
Wiley.
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Game play is not the issue... :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Because no bailer likes to be sent under the light, where their name is exposed, their reputation torn to pieces and their hypocrisy exposed (when they blame game numbers on one hand, then bail undamaged after bombing or when an enemy is closing on them on other hand) ! :old:
Respectfully, the ones I've seen called out publically didn't seem to care one bit. Maybe I've missed seeing the ones that felt shame.
Wiley.
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I know I bomb HQ on occasion. I do not bomb and bail. That is deplorable. I will die like a warrior. I do, however, get tired of being fodder for the elite. I see several problems with Aces High. I will address the inaccessibility to new players and those that lack experience. I don't say skill, because a lot of you just know how to do Aces High. Skill is definitely involved, but I think experience plays a bigger role. Skill makes it so you know the ways of ACM, instinctively. Experience adds onto skill to enable the player to de ack a field, or knowing when to drop flaps and chop throttle. That is knowing the game. I personally fall into the skill, not experience group. This is where the problem arises.
With the few people we have coming here from games such as War Thunder and WOWP, they have the skills to fly aircraft effectively. But they come here and have to start all over at square one. They don't have the experience to know what is going on in the arena. Then to add on to that, they have to deal with a community that is less than welcoming. You treat all newcomers as turds that don't deserve the time of day, let alone squad invites or fly alongs. And when you finally let newb fly along, you all seem annoyed by the whole "ordeal." I know I will be called a whiner, but I have been playing this game off and on for almost 5 years ish now. I can say the community has gone down, as well as the numbers.
I love this game. I enjoy what little time I can commit to it. But seeing threads such as this one makes me deeply saddened. All I see is finger pointing and assigning blame to others. I know I do my part to make the game a better place. I don't bomb and bail. I don't run from an advantage. I may run when I lose advantage. I try to fly in a way that helps the team. But I am just one player. And not too terribly great, either. But I do what I can to keep this great thing going. I fear some of you have lost that passion. I play because I love this. I don't care what I do. Bomber, fighter, re supply, tanks, it doesn't matter. I love engaging in combat with all the people on here. I love being a part of something. But I hate the elitism and those that are unable to change themselves to adapt. HQ down, figure out a new way to find a fight. Up a bomber and take a field. Do something besides getting on the forum and complaining about it. Instead, get on the forum and tell all of us what you did to mitigate the situation. That would be much more helpful.
TLDR, Quit complaining and get to flying. Take everyone you can with you. You need it and Aces High needs it.
My in game name is shake307. Hope to see you up there. :salute
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I know I bomb HQ on occasion. I do not bomb and bail. That is deplorable. I will die like a warrior. I do, however, get tired of being fodder for the elite. I see several problems with Aces High. I will address the inaccessibility to new players and those that lack experience. I don't say skill, because a lot of you just know how to do Aces High. Skill is definitely involved, but I think experience plays a bigger role. Skill makes it so you know the ways of ACM, instinctively. Experience adds onto skill to enable the player to de ack a field, or knowing when to drop flaps and chop throttle. That is knowing the game. I personally fall into the skill, not experience group. This is where the problem arises.
With the few people we have coming here from games such as War Thunder and WOWP, they have the skills to fly aircraft effectively. But they come here and have to start all over at square one. They don't have the experience to know what is going on in the arena. Then to add on to that, they have to deal with a community that is less than welcoming. You treat all newcomers as turds that don't deserve the time of day, let alone squad invites or fly alongs. And when you finally let newb fly along, you all seem annoyed by the whole "ordeal." I know I will be called a whiner, but I have been playing this game off and on for almost 5 years ish now. I can say the community has gone down, as well as the numbers.
I love this game. I enjoy what little time I can commit to it. But seeing threads such as this one make deeply saddened. All I see is finger pointing and assigning blame to others. I know I do my part to make the game a better place. I don't bomb and bail. I don't run from an advantage. I may run when I lose advantage. I try to fly in a way that helps the team. But I am just one player. And not to terribly great, either. But I do what I can to keep this great thing going. I fear some of you have lost that passion. I play because I love this. I don't care what I do. Bomber, fighter, re supply, tanks, it doesn't matter. I love engaging in combat with all the people on here. I love being a part of something. But I hate the elitism and those that are unable to change themselves to adapt. HQ down, figure out a new way to find a fight. Up a bomber and take a field. Do something besides getting on the forum and complaining about it. Instead, get on the forum and tell all of us what you did to mitigate the situation. That would be much more helpful.
TLDR, Quit complaining and get to flying. Take everyone you can with you. You need it and Aces High needs it.
My in game name is shake307. Hope to see you up there. :salute
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i think i agree with everyhting you said.
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Fly and have fun and don't be a dick...Aces High only rule
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Fly and have fun and don't be a dick...Aces High only rule
I consider porking hq and milkrunning as being a dick.
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Because no bailer likes to be sent under the light, where their name is exposed, their reputation torn to pieces and their hypocrisy exposed (when they blame game numbers on one hand, then bail undamaged after bombing or when an enemy is closing on them on other hand) ! :old:
A "hall of shame" with links to films might suffice.
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Speaking of gameplay, this was the LW when I logged in a few minutes ago:
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/lw2204151324cest_zpsuiwzcame.jpg)
And guess which county was under attack exclusively?
Yes, the rooks. Bish and Knights are both hurrying to grab rook bases while there's no one there to defend them. Big WTG's are given after a base gets captured that way.
The same thing that long ago happened to EW and later to MW as well, and didn't exactly help both arenas...
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Speaking of gameplay, this was the LW when I logged in a few minutes ago:
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/lw2204151324cest_zpsuiwzcame.jpg)
And guess which county was under attack exclusively?
Yes, the rooks. Bish and Knights are both hurrying to grab rook bases while there's no one there to defend them. Big WTG's are given after a base gets captured that way.
The same thing that long ago happened to EW and later to MW as well, and didn't exactly help both arenas...
I logged on and then off again pretty quick 2.5 hours before your post. At that time there were 28 in game and 3 on the Rooks. Bores the f*&k out of me.
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oh - I think I need to make a point here - before all the 'what a great opportunity for a fight' guys hop in.
In these times with so few on, it simply does not work that way. As soon as a fight develops they simply go to another base. 28 people and 600 bases - you get it I am sure?
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Didnt you hear the man? Quit complaining and get to flying. Take everyone you can with you. You need it and Aces High needs it.
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Speaking of gameplay, this was the LW when I logged in a few minutes ago:
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/lw2204151324cest_zpsuiwzcame.jpg)
And guess which county was under attack exclusively?
Yes, the rooks. Bish and Knights are both hurrying to grab rook bases while there's no one there to defend them. Big WTG's are given after a base gets captured that way.
The same thing that long ago happened to EW and later to MW as well, and didn't exactly help both arenas...
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I logged on and then off again pretty quick 2.5 hours before your post. At that time there were 28 in game and 3 on the Rooks. Bores the f*&k out of me.
So in theory we could have a situation where tens if not hundreds of players log in only to log out again because the numbers are low. The irony.
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So in theory we could have a situation where tens if not hundreds of players log in only to log out again because the numbers are low. The irony.
But in practice it ain't that way ;)
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Exactly. Why all the moaning?
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Exactly. Why all the moaning?
Your point? The moaning is about a few dweebs doing irritating stuff that makes people log off in disgust. That then leads to having low numbers and people logging due to that. Then when people log off enough times, they cancel subscription. Big problem.
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HQ being down all the time does suck but what can ya do. HTC isn't gonna change or fix it so you can either suck it up and drive on or quit simple as that. If you wanna fix things I can say that some folks made some good points and the main one is that this community has gotten an elitist attitude beyond what I see in other games for sure. It used to be that very few new folks were lone wolves for long. They found a squad themselves or were snatched up quick to fill the ranks. Now I log on and see quite a few new guys just flying and dying.
200 is just a mess as it has always been with most of the crap talk beyond belief. It is something I think never added one lick to the game nor does it lend itself to making things any better for new folks. This game has always relied heavily upon self promotion through it's player base. It seems folks have gotten lazy about it. I think the best way to combat the lousy game play is through numbers. The more folks you have on the less troublesome the problems would be. It is a MMO so it was never designed to be played by just a handful of folks it was designed to be played by large numbers and the problems you see now would not exist or be severely limited in scope. All I can say is we can sit and complain or at the very least try and mitigate the problem within the limits of our abilities and to me that is recruitment into the game and nurturing folks who are new so that they stay...
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Thanks M1A1. He brings up some good points. Truth be told, I fly at the worst times. The wee hours of the morning. Probably be there tonight. ENY punishes me. But do I care? Not really. I am just happy for the fact that I get to engage in WW2 aerial combat. Doesn't matter what I fly. I actually love the C205 :eek:. The point I am trying to make is that I am fairly new. I would love to get on and fly with all of you. A few nights ago, I took part in an i-16 raid with the 49th. It was awesome. I don't play as often as I should. I feel guilty about that. But maybe I can change myself to better accommodate time. And finally, this thread needs to die. It is doing nothing for us.
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HQ being down all the time does suck but what can ya do. HTC isn't gonna change or fix it so you can either suck it up and drive on or quit simple as that. If you wanna fix things I can say that some folks made some good points and the main one is that this community has gotten an elitist attitude beyond what I see in other games for sure. It used to be that very few new folks were lone wolves for long. They found a squad themselves or were snatched up quick to fill the ranks. Now I log on and see quite a few new guys just flying and dying.
200 is just a mess as it has always been with most of the crap talk beyond belief. It is something I think never added one lick to the game nor does it lend itself to making things any better for new folks. This game has always relied heavily upon self promotion through it's player base. It seems folks have gotten lazy about it. I think the best way to combat the lousy game play is through numbers. The more folks you have on the less troublesome the problems would be. It is a MMO so it was never designed to be played by just a handful of folks it was designed to be played by large numbers and the problems you see now would not exist or be severely limited in scope. All I can say is we can sit and complain or at the very least try and mitigate the problem within the limits of our abilities and to me that is recruitment into the game and nurturing folks who are new so that they stay...
....and thats what is happening. Slowly more and more players have decided they have had enough and just quit. If there was a big advertizing campaign going on and we had people join up just as fast it wouldn't be an issue. However the numbers continue to drop. There is a certain number of players that MUST be in the arena to generate "fun". To little and you can't find the fights, too many and it becomes a cesspool (the reason for the arena split years ago). During Euro prime time it is falling below that magic number these days.
If things are pointed out as the reason why players are leaving (players stating on the boards that they have had enough due to this issue and are canceling their subscription), wouldn't it be a good thing to look into this?
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If your one of those that say suck it up...or quit...your borderline retarded.
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Some of these replies really irritate me.
We need to support the game ? To me.. that is exactly what threads like this are ! The PLAYERS see something grossly wrong and request that it be fixed for the good of the game, but they are ignored !
There is always going to be some kind of complaint. But when the majority has been complaining about one specific issue for SOOOO LONG.. it deserves to be looked into.
And the kick in the arse is, it's such an EASY fix. a simple tweak in the Arena settings.. and viola ! FIXED, over and done with !
#1 FIX THE HQ ISSUE just harden it so it takes at least 3 sets of Lancs to drop it.
#2 ELIMINATE CHANNEL 200 it does nothing for the game other than create drama and bad blood. There is no reason opposing sides need real time coms.
#3 BAN RUAML that's just a given :D
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I've truly enjoyed this game for nearly a decade. So much so that I formed a Squad and even had a Squad Page. Over the years there were even many scores of players that learned their bombing skills through the training I offered (both piston and turbine). I say this only to convey the investment of time, effort and heart put into this fun and well thought out game. probably less than a many of you, but more than a lot of others.
When I first found out about AH I didn't even have a computer, I watched the commercials. That was enough, I knew I would be playing it when I got my computer. In fact I purchased my system sooner because of the AH commercials. One thing I remember of the time when I was a nube here was there were between 6 & 7k Subscribers and more than 600 Squads. At times one couldn't just login to the main arena as easily as one wished being that there was room for only 600 players, eventually ushering in the era of the multiple arenas including dual LWAs.
Being in a medical situation that keeps me home 24/7, I found myself logging in from 10 to 20 hours at a stretch. Ya, I was hooked. And for nearly 10 years I've watched a lot of changes occur, some good and some not so good. But nothing so bad that players in the community couldn't come together, petition and get change. Unfortunately, over the last several years, the one change HTC made that no amount of players can do anything about is when HTC began to rest on their laurels and slow the commercials to a stop. No problem, subscribership remained steady! For the time being. Even with Subscribers bringing in new players total numbers began to drop. As subscribership dropped, small issues became larger issues while the needle on the fun meter began to fall for many. Myself included.
So what do I think the problem that has impacted the game more than any other? HTC putting the weight of new subscribership on the shoulders of existing players. Threatening to leave? No. I already have. I will, though, continue to pop in now and then to see what you fine people are saying. What HTC's real longterm intentions are is what's the most puzzling to me. It's appears like they've invested all the big money they intend to and are just coasting to the end. So I don't think it's the game play or the Players. Only time will tell. <(S)> and Good Hunting
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#2 ELIMINATE CHANNEL 200 it does nothing for the game other than create drama and bad blood. There is no reason opposing sides need real time
There is no reason to eliminate Channel 200, if you don't like the channel don't tune to it. That's why the global chat channel was moved to Channel 200, so those that want to take part in the open chat can tune to the channel.
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There is no reason to eliminate Channel 200, if you don't like the channel don't tune to it. That's why the global chat channel was moved to Channel 200, so those that want to take part in the open chat can tune to the channel.
Agreed
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There is no reason to eliminate Channel 200, if you don't like the channel don't tune to it. That's why the global chat channel was moved to Channel 200, so those that want to take part in the open chat can tune to the channel.
frankly I could care less about the mindless chest thumping on 200. but you cant deny it is a negative influence on the game.
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frankly I could care less about the mindless chest thumping on 200. but you cant deny it is a negative influence on the game.
:rofl
how can something that you can easily turn off be a detriment to the game?
with all due respect......
I would say you are mistaken...
the old game play....the old Graphics.....the FTP games that are out..... are far more detrimental to the game then channel 200....
combine insanely awesome graphics with Free to Play....
I would bet money no one ever left AH over 200
(on second thought.... I may lose because I wouldn't be surprised in this modern world someone would get offended at something they are not REQUIRED to partake in)
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frankly I could care less about the mindless chest thumping on 200. but you cant deny it is a negative influence on the game.
Most of those mindless chess thumpers would smack you around in game....so are they truly mindless? :devil
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Most of those mindless chess thumpers would smack you around in game....so are they truly mindless? :devil
don't listen to junky he's a bully :devil :rofl
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don't listen to junky he's a bully :devil :rofl
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DA NOW
I'll be along shortly..
Or not
Best to send chest 5 humps to DA to cool their heels
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If your one of those that say suck it up...or quit...your borderline retarded.
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Not retarded at all. Just making the point that no one has a gun pointed to anyone's head making them stay. As for the insult you made about my intelligence that is part of my point!. You could have just as easily stated that you disagreed yet you had to insult me. I find that childish in the least. Truth be told you actually are part of what drives folks away. Then again it is a free country, and you are allowed to show that you have the intelligence of a wad of bellybutton lint. So as we see stupid insults only escalate and do nothing for the game nor the community. Trolling for your entertainment while seemingly amusing to you, is not the way to attract new players and keep them. Then again what do I know because I am retarded??
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Hmm if the majority of players don't like something and the only answer to fix it is to suck it up or quit, that doesn't seem like a very smart business decision for HT lol.
Perhaps there aren't enough complainers or do people really just quit without complaining when nothing changes. Questions... JF Sebastian... where can I find him?
(http://fusionanomaly.net/bladerunnerroybatty.jpg)
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There is no reason to eliminate Channel 200, if you don't like the channel don't tune to it. That's why the global chat channel was moved to Channel 200, so those that want to take part in the open chat can tune to the channel.
I think that's the issue tho. Many people would like to talk cross country and get to know the rest of the community, but then you have all those A holes causing problems with bullying and such.
Keeping 200 is good for the community, keeping it clean and monitored even better.
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If your one of those that say suck it up...or quit...your borderline retarded.
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Not retarded at all. Just making the point that no one has a gun pointed to anyone's head making them stay. As for the insult you made about my intelligence that is part of my point!. You could have just as easily stated that you disagreed yet you had to insult me. I find that childish in the least. Truth be told you actually are part of what drives folks away. Then again it is a free country, and you are allowed to show that you have the intelligence of a wad of bellybutton lint. So as we see stupid insults only escalate and do nothing for the game nor the community. Trolling for your entertainment while seemingly amusing to you, is not the way to attract new players and keep them. Then again what do I know because I am retarded??
Your answer was a "Shut up and color". This may be a personality flaw of mine but if something is wrong, I speak up, and keep speaking up about it (It doesn't matter who you are, told privates their wrong and I wouldn't be afraid to tell a General he's wrong). So when every HQ thread comes along I jump in and offer my 2 cents, that it is flawed....in hopes that the same mistake isn't repeated in Aces High 3, most of us have figured out that HTC isn't going to change Aces High 2...but if we identify problems with Aces High 2, maybe they will fix them in Aces High 3(like the 12 hour rule or HQ). "The first step to solving any problem is to identify the problem"
This is why saying suck it up or quit is retarded(you can replace retarded with stupid if your looking for a different word).....is your suggesting killing your fun as well. Unless you truly like fighting against buildings and auto guns (more power to you) then what your saying will kill the game, slowly it will die and people will get tired of killing auto guns. There is no legit reason to say a "shut up and color", with asking for HQ to be hardened at least HTC will know to make that as a fix in AH3. Your literally telling people to shut up and quit....come on man think about it.
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I never had a problem with 200. Ive almost never used it or paid attention to it.
I get a kick out of those who say they have never tuned it yet still call for it to be abolished. :O Explain that one to me?
Its mostly harmless fun and watermelon chat. Its about 99 out of 100 why new players arent kept.
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What I'd suggest is those calling for the abolishing of 200 are the ones who need to step back and take a look at why they play the GAME. 200 at it's best is where folks from all sides get to talk and share the wealth so to speak.
Going back to my Airwarrior days, it was talking to the guys I was fighting against that lead to a lot of friendships and ultimately a new squad. There wasn't this silly notion that the guys flying for the other side were bad guys, just opponents to fly and fight against.
All the people who take this game so seriously that they worry about spies, people giving things away on 200 or who knows what else, need to relax and remember this is and will remain a game.
No one really dies, the cartoon airplanes are free. Enjoy the cartoon combat, get to know folks, maybe share a little WW2 history and get over thinking you are ever going to win the war, as there is no war, and the game goes on forever.
We talk about the AH Community all the time around here. Building it and adding to it takes interacting, not closing things off and hiding within individual countries or squads.
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Reasons I still play aces high ever since air warrior died; the actual realism of the flight models and bullet ballistics, the actual challenge of mastering the game, it's not easy.
If there was a better online ww2 combat simulator out there, we'd all already be playing and aces high would be dead.
As for getting better gameplay; try switching countries. Don't be tied down. Sometimes it's really fun to be a bish and conquer all. Sometimes it's awesome to be a knight and bust bish missions and rack up perk points galore. Sometimes it's awesome to be a rook and fly with your dad, who plays the game. Or be a rook and fly an awesome et37 bomber mission.
Also, don't hesitate to change your name, that's always fun. It's fun trying to get those perks saved up to fly a b29 or 262.
There's plenty of stuff to do to keep it interesting and mess with people's head all at the same time.
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What I'd suggest is those calling for the abolishing of 200 are the ones who need to step back and take a look at why they play the GAME. 200 at it's best is where folks from all sides get to talk and share the wealth so to speak.
Going back to my Airwarrior days, it was talking to the guys I was fighting against that lead to a lot of friendships and ultimately a new squad. There wasn't this silly notion that the guys flying for the other side were bad guys, just opponents to fly and fight against.
All the people who take this game so seriously that they worry about spies, people giving things away on 200 or who knows what else, need to relax and remember this is and will remain a game.
No one really dies, the cartoon airplanes are free. Enjoy the cartoon combat, get to know folks, maybe share a little WW2 history and get over thinking you are ever going to win the war, as there is no war, and the game goes on forever.
We talk about the AH Community all the time around here. Building it and adding to it takes interacting, not closing things off and hiding within individual countries or squads.
Well said. Except the spy part.. that's just cheesy. :aok
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What 200 needs is a permanent squelch list. I don't get why this is so hard to implement.
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What 200 needs is a permanent squelch list. I don't get why this is so hard to implement.
:airplane: Goodness Sakes! I didn't mean to get a up roar started! I think the post by Seano pretty much says it all and I agree with you sir, about the squelching of players. Maybe that is the answer! I do intend to start listening on 200, just to see what all the excitement is about and I can and will squelch someone who is using abusive language or just being an "bully".
I think what a lot of people tend to forget is, there are some very young people on here and I think it is highly disrespectful of an adult to use some of the language that I hear sometimes on regular VOX chann's. I guess I am just to old fashioned for the modern young guys who think that kind of language impresses people. It doesn't impress me and I doubt that it impresses anyone else.
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What 200 needs is a permanent squelch list. I don't get why this is so hard to implement.
This is true. You would basically be able to fine tune your 200 channel, one door knob at a time. :D
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:airplane: Goodness Sakes! I didn't mean to get a up roar started! I think the post by Seano pretty much says it all and I agree with you sir, about the squelching of players. Maybe that is the answer! I do intend to start listening on 200, just to see what all the excitement is about and I can and will squelch someone who is using abusive language or just being an "bully".
I think what a lot of people tend to forget is, there are some very young people on here and I think it is highly disrespectful of an adult to use some of the language that I hear sometimes on regular VOX chann's. I guess I am just to old fashioned for the modern young guys who think that kind of language impresses people. It doesn't impress me and I doubt that it impresses anyone else.
Don't squelch bullying, report it!
The other thing, is it isn't the adults that are using that "language" its the kids! teens through the 20's (I know most 20+ THINK there adults, but they are not and will understand when they get older). They think it makes them "cool", "hip" or what ever word they use these days. All it does is make them look immature, but they will learn that too when they get older.
200 can be fun, just learn to spell SQUELCH :D
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Politics and religion aside, most of the issues on 200 stem from hypocrisy.
Everyone wants to vulch and brag about it, but vulch those same players and they'll go berserk on 200. Everyone wants to gang, but no one wants to be ganged. Everyone wants to to win a head-on, but beat someone in a head-on and you'll never hear the end of how the person who killed them has "no skill."
The problem with 200 isn't the channel, it's people.
Frankly, I believe that when such scenarios break out, all parties should head to the DA or shut up. It gets to the heart of the matter: someone was offended because they think they're better than their opponent. If you want to tell another player how good you are, you should have no problem proving it 1v1 in the DA. Can't do it? Then you're not really that good and have no room to talk. A lot of people like talking big, but few will attempt to back it up (and even fewer can successfully do it).
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What 200 needs is a permanent squelch list. I don't get why this is so hard to implement.
there isa permanent sqealch.
Its called Channel 100
As I said in another thread I have no compassion whatsoever for anything people complain about seeing on 200 considering it was created for the purpose of being able to talk about things that werent deemed acceptable on the default channel to begin with. You had to choose to be there.
If something were on TV that you didnt want your children to see or hear. Would you keep that channel tuned or would you change the channel?
Would you keep watching the playboy channel if your 4 year old walked into the room? Probably not.
200 should come with a disclaimer. And perhaps a MUCH better idea for those with kids that play would be something akin to parental controls on TV where you can limit what channels your child has access to.
I say a MUCH better idea because
Ive been here what, 13 years and for the entirety of that time this debate has raged almost continually. Despite (to their credit) every effort by HTC and the community that object to curb such activity it has persisted here as well as in just about any other online game you can name.
10 years from now we will still be having this same debate. The simple solution seems a parental controls. and a disclaimer for 200 that you are choosing of your own free will to have that channel tuned that there may be some statements you find objectionable or offensive. As such. you choose to deal with whatever is on there just as you would choose to continue watching nudity on the playboy channel by not changing the channel.
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I tuned my radio to channel 200 and now i don't like it but i can't squelch it! OMG what am i gonna do??? If this is you guys making a joke it's kind of funny. If you're not making a joke and you're serious, it's really funny.
And stop calling this game Aces High 2. Aces High 2 hasn't been around for years.
Couple months ago this guy tried to pose as somebody who had just heard of aces high. His habit of referring to the game as AH2 totally gave him away.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,369874.0.html
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Not everyone feels the need to DA or that they need to prove anything by going there.
I have my reasons for not going to DA and they have nothing to do with fear. If they did. I would avoid people in the MA and I dont do that.
Other then that. There is no consequence to loosing in the DA. Whereas in the MA you can gain or loose in both rank and score.
Ho kills are not a big show of skill. Skyyrs killed me by Ho and Ive returned the favor in kind. I've also been killed by complete noobs by HO And have killed complete noobs by it.
In fairness to Skyyr. And considering our history. just to go on record. I used to rag on him all the time about his tactics and did indeed say he was no skill. But in all honesty at the time he was of lower skill. He has indeed improved in leaps and bounds since then and now I consider to be one of the better pilots in the game. And Ive noticed he also doesnt always opt for the HO shot as his very first option and he still gets his fair share of kills. THAT is the show of skill.
To Skyyr I give my compliments. Alejandro you are no more <S>
Coming from me. Considering our history. I figure thats a pretty big endorsement as it is intended to be.
My opinion.
HOing on the first merge or in situations in the MA where you outnumber your opponent 2V1 3V1 etc is something of a classless act. Yea you can do it. But just because you can doesnt mean you should. Int eh middle of a furball or if you are outnumbered. Anything goes.
HOing reguarly also doesnt do anything to improve your skill level.
Anyone that doesnt beleive that I offer this challenge. Dont HO in any circumstance for one tour. Then come and try and tell me you didnt become better because of it
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there isa permanent sqealch.
Its called Channel 100
Oh RLY? So if a couple of tards spam bs every day you disable the whole channel and can't chat to anyone anymore. I like your solution. It's so simplistic that it's either genius or stupid. I'll leave it to the readers to decide which one yours is.
It's almost as good a solution like the one of those who recommended to just quit the whole game if they don't like the nonsense on 200 lol.
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Not everyone feels the need to DA or that they need to prove anything by going there.
I was flying drunk the other night (no surprises there) and someone picked me while I was limping home with a pilot wound. I commented on it and he seemed rude and aggressive so I called him to DA.
Despite my drunkedness and rusty gameplay I was fairly sure I would beat him. He seemed really on edge and rude the whole time, even choosing which field to take off was almost a verbal fight.
He chose P51s and we both took off. He took off immediately without agreeing so I just quickly selected 50% of fuel (why so much I don't know) and also took off. When we fought to my surprise he was able to outturn me. I took the fight vertical at first but to my surprise couldn't handle the plane at stall speed. I managed to shoot him good a couple of times but then the fight degraded to a turn fight on the deck and I was losing fast.
In the end he had one snapshot and killed my pilot.
After the fight I realized that in the rush I had missed that I had two drop tanks on the whole time in addition to the 50% fuel lol. I usually don't use drop tanks in the pony but in the previous pony flight I went two sectors looking for a fight with a certain player on MA.
So yes, I learned that it's not good to DA while drunk at least. :noid :rofl
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there isa permanent sqealch.
Its called Channel 100
As I said in another thread I have no compassion whatsoever for anything people complain about seeing on 200 considering it was created for the purpose of being able to talk about things that werent deemed acceptable on the default channel to begin with. You had to choose to be there.
If something were on TV that you didnt want your children to see or hear. Would you keep that channel tuned or would you change the channel?
Would you keep watching the playboy channel if your 4 year old walked into the room? Probably not.
200 should come with a disclaimer. And perhaps a MUCH better idea for those with kids that play would be something akin to parental controls on TV where you can limit what channels your child has access to.
I say a MUCH better idea because
Ive been here what, 13 years and for the entirety of that time this debate has raged almost continually. Despite (to their credit) every effort by HTC and the community that object to curb such activity it has persisted here as well as in just about any other online game you can name.
10 years from now we will still be having this same debate. The simple solution seems a parental controls. and a disclaimer for 200 that you are choosing of your own free will to have that channel tuned that there may be some statements you find objectionable or offensive. As such. you choose to deal with whatever is on there just as you would choose to continue watching nudity on the playboy channel by not changing the channel.
So instead of forcing a few bad apples to follow the rules your suggesting everyone who has a problem with bad apples avoid the social side of the game and not interact with two thirds of the game play population.
Great solution :rolleyes:
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Not everyone feels the need to DA or that they need to prove anything by going there.
I have my reasons for not going to DA and they have nothing to do with fear. If they did. I would avoid people in the MA and I dont do that.
Other then that. There is no consequence to loosing in the DA. Whereas in the MA you can gain or loose in both rank and score.
Ho kills are not a big show of skill. Skyyrs killed me by Ho and Ive returned the favor in kind. I've also been killed by complete noobs by HO And have killed complete noobs by it.
In fairness to Skyyr. And considering our history. just to go on record. I used to rag on him all the time about his tactics and did indeed say he was no skill. But in all honesty at the time he was of lower skill. He has indeed improved in leaps and bounds since then and now I consider to be one of the better pilots in the game. And Ive noticed he also doesnt always opt for the HO shot as his very first option and he still gets his fair share of kills. THAT is the show of skill.
To Skyyr I give my compliments. Alejandro you are no more <S>
Coming from me. Considering our history. I figure thats a pretty big endorsement as it is intended to be.
My opinion.
HOing on the first merge or in situations in the MA where you outnumber your opponent 2V1 3V1 etc is something of a classless act. Yea you can do it. But just because you can doesnt mean you should. Int eh middle of a furball or if you are outnumbered. Anything goes.
HOing reguarly also doesnt do anything to improve your skill level.
Anyone that doesnt beleive that I offer this challenge. Dont HO in any circumstance for one tour. Then come and try and tell me you didnt become better because of it
what.... :headscratch:
he still HO's..... runs as soon as he loses position...never tries to fight it out.....
he may be an all right stick, he is a great HO shot..... but he has no honor...no respect.... no integrity..... and deserves nothing but disdain.
he is a sad individual who needs a psychiatrist for his narcissism.
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See Rule #14
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So instead of forcing a few bad apples to follow the rules your suggesting everyone who has a problem with bad apples avoid the social side of the game and not interact with two thirds of the game play population.
Great solution :rolleyes:
Excellent answer sir :salute
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Politics and religion aside, most of the issues on 200 stem from hypocrisy.
Everyone wants to vulch and brag about it, but vulch those same players and they'll go berserk on 200. Everyone wants to gang, but no one wants to be ganged. Everyone wants to to win a head-on, but beat someone in a head-on and you'll never hear the end of how the person who killed them has "no skill."
The problem with 200 isn't the channel, it's people.
Frankly, I believe that when such scenarios break out, all parties should head to the DA or shut up. It gets to the heart of the matter: someone was offended because they think they're better than their opponent. If you want to tell another player how good you are, you should have no problem proving it 1v1 in the DA. Can't do it? Then you're not really that good and have no room to talk. A lot of people like talking big, but few will attempt to back it up (and even fewer can successfully do it).
First paragraph, spot on. Second, not so much. It is not, nor will it ever be, "everyone".
I find 200 entertaining and would hate to see it go. I don't have to agree with it. That's the beauty of it.
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First paragraph, spot on. Second, not so much. It is not, nor will it ever be, "everyone".
I find 200 entertaining and would hate to see it go. I don't have to agree with it. That's the beauty of it.
Jeep, as much as I don't care for Skyyr, I agree with most of that quoted post.
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Jeep, as much as I don't care for Skyyr, I agree with most of that quoted post.
I agree wth you on both points sir. Only thing I intended to point out that "everyone" is overstating the second parapraph. I know it is because I do not do what he says "everyone" does. I have done those things yes, but not with the feeling of accomplishment he notes "everyone" has. I hate ending up in a horde but generally help until I am down then go elsewhere. I have vulched for a base take, but it has no feeling like actually fighting an aircraft win OR lose. And HO is generally a tactic I will use as a last resort in base defense where you can barely get wheels up before a con is on you. But I feel no skill on my part was used nor gained.
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I agree wth you on both points sir. Only thing I intended to point out that "everyone" is overstating the second parapraph. I know it is because I do not do what he says "everyone" does. I have done those things yes, but not with the feeling of accomplishment he notes "everyone" has. I hate ending up in a horde but generally help until I am down then go elsewhere. I have vulched for a base take, but it has no feeling like actually fighting an aircraft win OR lose. And HO is generally a tactic I will use as a last resort in base defense where you can barely get wheels up before a con is on you. But I feel no skill on my part was used nor gained.
Exactly. Semantics come into play by the same people and they fail to realize that they are contributing to the problems, that they are pissed at. It's been that way for years and will always be the one constant in this game.
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the idea that the DA solves the gripes about gangers and crap is ridiculous. you are assuming that the vulched is saying "if it werent for the ganging, i'd beat you". maybe they just see it as lame, easy mode play. the DA is crap anyway, there is no consequence for losing.
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Just came from MA, going to go find something else to do - Country dar went down within a few min. of map change.
I really hope this is addressed in the new release. Its just not worth playing without dar.
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Oh RLY? So if a couple of tards spam bs every day you disable the whole channel and can't chat to anyone anymore. I like your solution. It's so simplistic that it's either genius or stupid. I'll leave it to the readers to decide which one yours is.
It's almost as good a solution like the one of those who recommended to just quit the whole game if they don't like the nonsense on 200 lol.
Dude. 200 was created so that you COULD talk about the very things you hate.
It was made so that you had to choose to tune into 200. It is not the default channel for a reason.
Do you CHOOSE to tune in channels on your TV that show programs you dont like just because a lot of people like the programming?
Do you expect MTV, QVC, or any of hundreds of other channels to change their programming simply because you dont like it? Or do you voice your displeasure by tuning into another channel.
A lot of people like "The Big Bang Theory" I find the show annoying at best. Yanno what I do when its on. I change the channel.
Remember. You chose to tune into 200. Nobody forced anyone to tune there.
If enough people tune out and one of the other channels becomes filled with other people who feel likewise. Then by default that other channel becomes the primary channel people like to use
Same principle as TV network ratings
If everyone that didnt like what they saw on 200 simply tuned back to the default channel Then everyone would have what they wanted.
On the other hand. If everyone that didnt like what they saw on 200 and tuned to say 100 and found that vast majority of people stiull tuned into 200. Then that tells us that 200 is the way the players want it to be and shouldnt have to change to suit a minority
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So instead of forcing a few bad apples to follow the rules your suggesting everyone who has a problem with bad apples avoid the social side of the game and not interact with two thirds of the game play population.
Great solution :rolleyes:
Well lets put it this way. Ive been here since 2002.
You have been here since at least 2005.
Do you ever remember a time where this debate or complaints about the goings on what was going on hasnt taken place?
If it hasnt changed in 13 years I highly doubt it ever will.
And AGAIN. 200 was created for exactly the reasons people complain about. It was done so people wouldnt have to be subjected to "the bad apples" if they didnt want to be. 200 is NOT the default channel that is in place for people to take part in "social side of the game." It is a chosen channel The fact people Choose to remain on 200 when it is not the default channel. Tells us that the majority of people who are on 200 do not mind the goings on.
As I stated elsewhere. 200 is a train wreck. Problem is people love to watch a train wreck.
I dont take part in 200 a whole lot. Some bantering here and there. A comment here and there and most of the time Im so busy doing other things I barely notice whats on there. But what I do see I simply shake my head and say to myself. It is what it is. It is what the channel was created for.
And like I said. in the 13 years Ive been here it hasnt changed in spite all efforts to change it. Kinda like the war on drugs. Nobody likes excessive drug use. But they see the war as a loosing cause and as such pointless.
Better idea would be to put a disclaimer and for all the people who dont like whats on 200. Tune to channel 100. If there is someone specific on the other side you want to talk to that isnt tuned to your channel. there is always the PM option. Nobody is being hindered to socialize in the way they see fit. If enough people do that then the debate is over and everyone wins.
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what.... :headscratch:
he still HO's..... runs as soon as he loses position...never tries to fight it out.....
he may be an all right stick, he is a great HO shot..... but he has no honor...no respect.... no integrity..... and deserves nothing but disdain.
he is a sad individual who needs a psychiatrist for his narcissism.
Everyone knows the distain Ive had for Skyyr. Its no secret. Maybe you are experiencing something different then I am. I am just saying what I am personally experiencing..
Does he still HO. Yes. But I dont always see him to it as his first option and often Its situation appropriate.
Yup he runs. Just like the rest of us when its prudent to do so. But Ive also seen him turn and fight. In fact Ive seen him turn and fight 2-3 people at the same time. In fact I witnessed it just the other night.
I get accused of running a lot too. But thats not often the case in reality. Often I am just trying to either get back some E or create enough separation where I can turn and fight without getting blown out of the sky in the proccess.
As for running. I see a TON of other people who do worse. One pass then if they dont get the kill run to ack types.
Skyyr definitely isnt one of those
No he's a decent stick. He still has some flaws as we all do and one in particular Im waiting for him to figure out on his own
Honor, respect, integrity. Still quite a ways to go but he's getting there. The very fact That Im defending him here to some extent is at least a small testament to that. And I wouldn't say that if I didnt believe it to be true. I'd have no problems telling a woman that yes her butt looks big in those jeans.
narcissism..... Well. Nobody is perfect LOL But honestly Ive seen some degree of improvement there as well. In fact myself and someone else were just discussing that very subject just last night.
I wont say Skyyr has been reborn pure. Far from it.
But on the other hand he's not what he was either.
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Everyone knows the distain Ive had for Skyyr. Its no secret. Maybe you are experiencing something different then I am. I am just saying what I am personally experiencing..
Does he still HO. Yes. But I dont always see him to it as his first option and often Its situation appropriate.
Yup he runs. Just like the rest of us when its prudent to do so. But Ive also seen him turn and fight. In fact Ive seen him turn and fight 2-3 people at the same time. In fact I witnessed it just the other night.
I get accused of running a lot too. But thats not often the case in reality. Often I am just trying to either get back some E or create enough separation where I can turn and fight without getting blown out of the sky in the proccess.
As for running. I see a TON of other people who do worse. One pass then if they dont get the kill run to ack types.
Skyyr definitely isnt one of those
No he's a decent stick. He still has some flaws as we all do and one in particular Im waiting for him to figure out on his own
Honor, respect, integrity. Still quite a ways to go but he's getting there. The very fact That Im defending him here to some extent is at least a small testament to that. And I wouldn't say that if I didnt believe it to be true. I'd have no problems telling a woman that yes her butt looks big in those jeans.
narcissism..... Well. Nobody is perfect LOL But honestly Ive seen some degree of improvement there as well. In fact myself and someone else were just discussing that very subject just last night.
I wont say Skyyr has been reborn pure. Far from it.
But on the other hand he's not what he was either.
I respect your opinion :salute
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This is a virtual world and the personalities that play in it are just as virtual, choosing to be anyone they want in order to fill their needs at any particular time......you will never really know anyone in here unless you meet them in person.....and very few will want the virtual to interact with the real..... :old:
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This is a virtual world and the personalities that play in it are just as virtual, choosing to be anyone they want in order to fill their needs at any particular time......you will never really know anyone in here unless you meet them in person.....and very few will want the virtual to interact with the real..... :old:
this guy is on some serious herb :rock
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I wont say Skyyr has been reborn pure. Far from it.
But on the other hand he's not what he was either.
He is being assimilated.
These things take time.
You cannot resist the Borg.
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Well lets put it this way. Ive been here since 2002.
You have been here since at least 2005.
Do you ever remember a time where this debate or complaints about the goings on what was going on hasnt taken place?
If it hasnt changed in 13 years I highly doubt it ever will.
And AGAIN. 200 was created for exactly the reasons people complain about. It was done so people wouldnt have to be subjected to "the bad apples" if they didnt want to be. 200 is NOT the default channel that is in place for people to take part in "social side of the game." It is a chosen channel The fact people Choose to remain on 200 when it is not the default channel. Tells us that the majority of people who are on 200 do not mind the goings on.
As I stated elsewhere. 200 is a train wreck. Problem is people love to watch a train wreck.
I dont take part in 200 a whole lot. Some bantering here and there. A comment here and there and most of the time Im so busy doing other things I barely notice whats on there. But what I do see I simply shake my head and say to myself. It is what it is. It is what the channel was created for.
And like I said. in the 13 years Ive been here it hasnt changed in spite all efforts to change it. Kinda like the war on drugs. Nobody likes excessive drug use. But they see the war as a loosing cause and as such pointless.
Better idea would be to put a disclaimer and for all the people who dont like whats on 200. Tune to channel 100. If there is someone specific on the other side you want to talk to that isnt tuned to your channel. there is always the PM option. Nobody is being hindered to socialize in the way they see fit. If enough people do that then the debate is over and everyone wins.
I have been here since 2001, MDJOE was my name before Fugitive. Channel 200 was made as a cross channel that must be tuned, there by accepting what goes on on 200. However, there still are rules. Those rules are being violated. Players are being bullied and are leaving. Losing those players, and GAINING the reputation of players who chase away new players is not a good business model. If HTC like losing people then I suppose they could ignore the whole thing.
Not the way I would go however.
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I fear that HTC will eventually decide to just eliminate 200 or any cross talk possibilities all together
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I have been here since 2001, MDJOE was my name before Fugitive. Channel 200 was made as a cross channel that must be tuned, there by accepting what goes on on 200. However, there still are rules. Those rules are being violated. Players are being bullied and are leaving. Losing those players, and GAINING the reputation of players who chase away new players is not a good business model. If HTC like losing people then I suppose they could ignore the whole thing.
Not the way I would go however.
I think you are over stretching this. 200 isn't the problem. It is a video game, crap will always be talked no matter what you do. If you can't handle it become better at the game and beat them in the skies or detune 200. It is really that simple. Channel 200 is not the biggest reason why people are leaving the game. However, the crap talking rudeness should be minimized and hopefully people will learn to change their charactor in a small community where people actually fight against the same people over and over again. This community is very different than any other game.
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I think you are over stretching this. 200 isn't the problem. It is a video game, crap will always be talked no matter what you do. If you can't handle it become better at the game and beat them in the skies or detune 200. It is really that simple. Channel 200 is not the biggest reason why people are leaving the game. However, the crap talking rudeness should be minimized and hopefully people will learn to change their charactor in a small community where people actually fight against the same people over and over again. This community is very different than any other game.
Thats the point, those that are pushing the rules. There are not enough MODs nor are they strict enough to curb the excess. Newbies don't know how to squelch and so get bullied and leave. Other just get tired of the same old BS and both on the channel and in game play and leave.
If there are issue causing people to leave wouldn't it be smart to look at them?
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I have been here since 2001, MDJOE was my name before Fugitive. Channel 200 was made as a cross channel that must be tuned, there by accepting what goes on on 200. However, there still are rules. Those rules are being violated. Players are being bullied and are leaving. Losing those players, and GAINING the reputation of players who chase away new players is not a good business model. If HTC like losing people then I suppose they could ignore the whole thing.
Not the way I would go however.
Ok then you very well know that this has been going on for as long as we both have been here and dispite all efforts continues to this day and will for the foreseeable future.
Short of getting rid of text in its entirety. What do you suggest that is actually going to work that hasnt already been tried?
Its a lost cause to stifle it we will just be here at yet another future date repeating the same arguments like a bad broken record of hamsterdance.
Regardless of the rules. 200 is still a choice and not the default. Rather then repeat everything I just said about changing channels. Just refer to those. If enough people are objectionable to the goings on on 200 and simply switch back to default. The argument becomes irrelevant
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I fear that HTC will eventually decide to just eliminate 200 or any cross talk possibilities all together
Honestly. That is about the only way I see that will actually stop the goings on.
In the end it doesnt matter a ton to me as I dont use 200 a whole lot anyway
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It's easier to bury the heads in the sand and wish it away. Why on Earth would the guilty be given the boot?
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Honestly. That is about the only way I see that will actually stop the goings on.
In the end it doesnt matter a ton to me as I dont use 200 a whole lot anyway
personally I'm addicted to it. ...I can't belive they don't charge extra for it. .just sayin..you just have to put everything you see on 200 into perspective. ..
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Ok then you very well know that this has been going on for as long as we both have been here and dispite all efforts continues to this day and will for the foreseeable future.
Short of getting rid of text in its entirety. What do you suggest that is actually going to work that hasnt already been tried?
Its a lost cause to stifle it we will just be here at yet another future date repeating the same arguments like a bad broken record of hamsterdance.
Regardless of the rules. 200 is still a choice and not the default. Rather then repeat everything I just said about changing channels. Just refer to those. If enough people are objectionable to the goings on on 200 and simply switch back to default. The argument becomes irrelevant
Yes it has been going on forever, I think however that it has been getting far worst.
200 was always "ruff and tuff" that is why HTC moved it from channel 1 to channel 200, in essence making people accept that it can get ruff. But over the last couple years we have had more and more internet tough guys show up and make a career at being annoying, instigating little bullies. How long did it take to close down the "Kill Club"?
There are rules, no religion, no politics, yet both can be seen blasted across the radio nightly. No swearing has always been an iffy issue. Some nights it's ok, other mutable instantly. Of course it is much harder to monitor over vox but that is probably the place it's needed the most. I know kids are far from that innocent these days but there are still those who try to teach their kids not to sound like 2nd hand scum by dropping the F bomb every other word. How many kids are going to be allowed to subscribe if their parents walk in and hear that crap blasting out of their headsets?
The point is it has gotten worst and it needs to be cleaned up. Much like the game play, if you don't watch over it people will find a way to screw it all up. If you don't have controls in place and use them there is no tell what the environment will morph into. From a business stand point I'd think you'd want to keep the environment and game play in a place that keeps the most people happy and comfortable. Alienate people and watch the subscriptions drop.
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Dude. 200 was created so that you COULD talk about the very things you hate.
It was made so that you had to choose to tune into 200. It is not the default channel for a reason.
This is not accurate. 200 all ways existed as a cross country channel just like all 2xx channels.
After channel 1 was closed a player had the bright idea of getting everyone to tune 200 for old channel 1 text traffic there by skirting our idea of closing the general chat channel. We had no way of preventing this use other then to close all cross country traffic (I still consider this at times). Later we changed 200's color after it had already become the general chat.
HiTech
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(I still consider this at times).
HiTech
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Disabling channel 200 will have a direct effect on minimizing the community feel of Aces High.
Those that take Aces High so seriously that they need to spy will not be affected by eliminating cross country communication. Frankly, if they are going to pay for an additional account then using text messages, Ventrilo or some other software outside of Aces High is a very small hurdle to jump.
I would;
1. Decrease the threshold number of people required for a mute and decrease the amount of time someone is muted.
2. Employ more moderators. Btw, those poor guys deserve a medal for the bullcrap they deal with on daily basis.
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2. Employ more moderators. Btw, those poor guys deserve a medal for the bullcrap they deal with on daily basis.
Yup.
- oldman
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Disabling channel 200 will have a direct effect on minimizing the community feel of Aces High.
Those that take Aces High so seriously that they need to spy will not be affected by eliminating cross country communication. Frankly, if they are going to pay for an additional account then using text messages, Ventrilo or some other software outside of Aces High is a very small hurdle to jump.
I would;
1. Decrease the threshold number of people required for a mute and decrease the amount of time someone is muted.
2. Employ more moderators. Btw, those poor guys deserve a medal for the bullcrap they deal with on daily basis.
agreed!
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2. Employ more moderators. Btw, those poor guys deserve a medal for the bullcrap they deal with on daily basis.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
That is true, though. There should be more mods out there.
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Disabling channel 200 will have a direct effect on minimizing the community feel of Aces High.
Those that take Aces High so seriously that they need to spy will not be affected by eliminating cross country communication. Frankly, if they are going to pay for an additional account then using text messages, Ventrilo or some other software outside of Aces High is a very small hurdle to jump.
I would;
1. Decrease the threshold number of people required for a mute and decrease the amount of time someone is muted.
2. Employ more moderators. Btw, those poor guys deserve a medal for the bullcrap they deal with on daily basis.
Fine. Go for it. But Ill bet a months subscription that a year from now. We are having the same argument.
Whats that definition of insanity again?
I personally dont care one way or the other. I dont spend all that much time on 200. Im much more tired of seeing the arguments about 200 then I am of anything Ive seen on 200
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How about 250 for Ladies and Gentlemen ..... where even being a little rude or somewhat slightly vulgar gets you muted and displaying bad taste gets you an official warning..........
:police:
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Fine. Go for it. But Ill bet a months subscription that a year from now. We are having the same argument.
Whats that definition of insanity again?
I personally dont care one way or the other. I dont spend all that much time on 200. Im much more tired of seeing the arguments about 200 then I am of anything Ive seen on 200
Until the Community is willing to police itself, I would double your bet. It's funny because everybody on Rookland knows a few people who will openly drop multiple f-bombs and they protect them. I have never witnessed this on Bish/Knight. One would surmise that "it happens on all three", when in fact it does not. Simple things like that, are preventable and while do not affect myself and most others. The questions are: Were they new? If so, did they say "screw this" and cancel? I would imagine over the years, while rare, with even one person leaving because of it, is one too many.
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People act out because they seek the response they get.
Think about it, because therein lies how you end the acting out.
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Until the Community is willing to police itself, I would double your bet. It's funny because everybody on Rookland knows a few people who will openly drop multiple f-bombs and they protect them. I have never witnessed this on Bish/Knight. One would surmise that "it happens on all three", when in fact it does not. Simple things like that, are preventable and while do not affect myself and most others. The questions are: Were they new? If so, did they say "screw this" and cancel? I would imagine over the years, while rare, with even one person leaving because of it, is one too many.
Naa. Happens in knitland too. I'd even venture to say ti would be easier to list those that havent partaken then those that have. Its probably the same all over because our countries are only make believe. There is no different culture between knit/rook bish as there is say between the USA and Tibet and Egypt
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How many players who complain about vox and chan 200 utilize .report often?
Less complaining. More reporting.
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Politics and religion aside, most of the issues on 200 stem from hypocrisy.
Everyone wants to vulch and brag about it, but vulch those same players and they'll go berserk on 200. Everyone wants to gang, but no one wants to be ganged. Everyone wants to to win a head-on, but beat someone in a head-on and you'll never hear the end of how the person who killed them has "no skill."
Funny thing about people... they tend to assume the way everyone else sees the world is the same as the way they see it.
I can't say I haven't done all 3 - doubt many here can - but there's a big difference between an occasional out-of-character misstep and making a habit out of playing like a coward. And there's an even bigger difference when you're bragging about playing like an arse. I can't recall one time ever bragging about doing any of the above, nor can I remember any of the MANY players I respect here bragging about such actions either.
Personally speaking, when I'm making a fool of myself on 200, it's usually because I'm calling out players that are skillful enough not to have to engage in such BS but do so anyways. That's the real shame IMO... skilled players that have the ability to fight a good fight but choose to act cowardly / fight dirty instead.
In the end, we all have different views on what gameplay should entail. I try my best to remind myself, before opening my mouth, that not everyone is in it for the same reasons I am. Sometimes it works, most times it doesn't. But at least I try. Perhaps you should do the same the next time you assume everyone suffers from the same lack of character evidenced above.
Speaking of character, I had the pleasure to fight ZENSEN today... who after making a bad move and losing advantage, went OUT OF HIS WAY to avoid his own ack, further losing advantage in the process, just to continue an otherwise awesome fight. As far as I'm concerned, he won that fight (with his honor intact), regardless of whos plane went down first.
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Player: Kill him, shoot his brains out!!!
<ok daddy>
Player: Kill him, <f expletive>
<booo hoooo, he said a bad woooooord>
See the irony here?
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How many players who complain about vox and chan 200 utilize .report often?
Less complaining. More reporting.
Said "f bombers" over the last seven years? Multiple .reports, with screenshots/videos. Zip, Zilch, Nada and the silent majority endorses it with silence.
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This is not accurate. 200 all ways existed as a cross country channel just like all 2xx channels.
After channel 1 was closed a player had the bright idea of getting everyone to tune 200 for old channel 1 text traffic there by skirting our idea of closing the general chat channel. We had no way of preventing this use other then to close all cross country traffic (I still consider this at times). Later we changed 200's color after it had already become the general chat.
HiTech
With all due respect. And I am certainly not tryingto get into a pzzing match with you but
That is not exactly the way I remember 200 comming into being
I point to this thread as at least partial evidence which in part went like this
My argument was pretty much the same then as it is now. I still wouldnt mind being able to turn text off completely
My responce to a post made by "Mugzeee "
Only thing is its probably a pretty safe bet that the majority of players couldnt care less about whats typed on channel 1 and by placing the "shoe on the other foot" and making again what probably is the majority of players type out the squelch command. Is simply wetursing the few that complain about it.
Like I said before. I rarely pay any attention to the text buffer at all and wouldnt mind if it went away completely. I'd actually like a way to turn the whole thing off as it very presence I find annoying.
But I think a better and more fair approach all the way around would be to have a way to either turn Chan 1 on or off individually in the same way you would set the stall limiter or tracers.
Then like those things.Those that want it can have it. those that do not, dont have to
It also followed along the lines of
To those who think this is a knee jerk reaction. It's not, I wrote the stuff to disable channel 1 on april 13.
We had been planing on disabling channel 1 over the last year. Had AHII not frozen AHI code it would have been implemented in AHI some time ago.
To those who think we do not understand communication in online games, we do. It's was not a simple choice to disable channel 1, Pyro and I have playing online for close to 15 years, we well understand the chat roll/fun of channel 1.
As AH has evolved and grown some problems have changed the game dynamics. When we had 300 people in an arena the world was small enof where peer pressure and us getting involved could keep the down side of channel 1 in check. Now with 700 online, people start to feel anonymous and feel they have rights to abuse things.
2. The volumn of trafic has changed and starts to become overwhellming. Anyone rember when I removed kill messages and changed them to end of sortie only? This was also to dimisish text trafic.
So the sky is not falling, We just decided the the detriments of channel 1 outwighed the advantages.
1 thing we might implement is a .s GameId command, this would then brodcast <S> GameId over channel 1 even with it disabled.
HiTech
Thank you hitech for your very cordial and proffesional response.
I do not agree or like the fact that it looks like there will not be code written to allow channel 1 to be turned on or off at each players discretion in order to keep all players in the game satisfied one way or the other however I for one will not keep beating this horse or offering suggestions that have already been mentioned. I believe that after all that has been written by everyone on this post, there is really nothing left to say.
The ball is in your court......in fact it is your ball :D
Please continue to give some thought to what so many are requesting. The .s command seems ok but really will not resolve the communication factor loss.
Again, Thank you for your courteous and proffesional response to our concerns. FBRaptor
Raptor the point is by tunning 200 it can still be the global chat channel. Changing 200's color I am cosidering but the big difference is you have to make a very small effort to tune to 200.
Funny no one even considered that voice is also be live on channel 200?
HiTech
It then went along the lines of
Found CH 1 turned on again , and this morning Kev and others were able to help me and we did testing and compared results over CH 1 , ..... this testing went on for almost an hour and , the result was.... that I was able to make continual HO pass's thru dog fights that were being fought by the Knights and Bish players
"flying as a Rook " and was able to see and test results of video card in game settings . No one from either side fired a shot at my Tempest !!! . because I was able to ask for and get help from both sides . in the AH 2 arena . only jab I got on CH 1 was " who is in The spac ship pilot in Tempest ? must be a ROOK ! ... LOL
I answered It's me , ALT helps make up for my crappy flying skills alittle ! . Good fun !!!
Any way thanks to the open Channel ONE and the great Beta testers CREW on board in AH 2 this morning , my Screen freeze problems are history , the results and settings changes made with "others " help thru CH 1 have seemed to have corrected the problems and struggle I have had ingame since Beta 36 release .
Again I want to thank you people who were in the Arena this morning helping me sort this out " In real time "
Best Regards
CHECKERS
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Tuning 200 seems to work fine, and it makes the all-country voice option the user's choice instead of a game default. If any of the all-player chat ever turns litigious, this should help fireproof Aces High.
It is much more immersive to fly without the deluge of all-country personal chat that often has nothing to do with the game. Eliminates a lot of screen clutter.
Especially for those so concerned with perk points and no external views, not automatically hearing (viewing) enemy radio chat is a lot more realistic (a Tokyo Rose might be an exception).
Humble sticks like me now can better enjoy our occasional victories over the minority of motor mouths whose whines are louder than their achievements.
Even <S> were getting a little too expected. Now a truly exceptional encounter still can be acknowledged, and the extra effort will make it more special instead of routine.
Excellent explanations by HiTech and Pyro. Always impressive how Aces High keeps positively evolving.
the entire thread can be read here
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,118207.105.html
Like I said. I am not trying to get into a pzzing match with you. So please dont take it that way. I am simply pointing out where I might have gotten that impression.
I digress
It also points out another point Ive been making. This has been going on a long long time. 11 years from the posts of the threat I just quoted and We see the very same arguments now we saw then.
I respect your efforts. I really do. And I doubt very much you receive many complaints about me.
But the only thing thats changed though is the channel we are talking about.
I just dont see what else that can be done that will work in the long term. Its become that definition of insanity
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Having a cross country channel IMO is an unfortunate necessity, as in ANY online game, people typically want to communicate with "the other side", for various and obvious reasons. I don't think eliminating the ability for players to have comms with the opponent teams/players would do the game any favors - I can't even think of a game where communicating at least in some for with your opponents is impossible, and that's what "banning" 200 would do. I can understand wanting to "keep it clean", and this is really only possible with mods (obviously), so I agree with others when they state "more mods" instead of "removing channel" is a better option.
I didn't know that all the 200 channels were cross country.
So, after reading what HT wrote about how 200 came into being, I'm curious as to what has stopped another "player" from spearheading a movement to have a free for all on say channel 209? Moderators and those players who are sensitive wouldn't have to tune it if it bothered them, and it would give those who feel the need to spam or say things that gets the mods involved on 200 a place of their own to act out, and only if/when it became popular enough to become common knowledge would it likely be in danger of being modded or shut down (IMO). I'm not advocating this really, I'm just more than surprised that it hasn't happened since the ch1/200 thing over 10 years ago.
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Having a cross country channel IMO is an unfortunate necessity, as in ANY online game, people typically want to communicate with "the other side", for various and obvious reasons. I don't think eliminating the ability for players to have comms with the opponent teams/players would do the game any favors - I can't even think of a game where communicating at least in some for with your opponents is impossible, and that's what "banning" 200 would do. I can understand wanting to "keep it clean", and this is really only possible with mods (obviously), so I agree with others when they state "more mods" instead of "removing channel" is a better option.
I didn't know that all the 200 channels were cross country.
So, after reading what HT wrote about how 200 came into being, I'm curious as to what has stopped another "player" from spearheading a movement to have a free for all on say channel 209? Moderators and those players who are sensitive wouldn't have to tune it if it bothered them, and it would give those who feel the need to spam or say things that gets the mods involved on 200 a place of their own to act out, and only if/when it became popular enough to become common knowledge would it likely be in danger of being modded or shut down (IMO). I'm not advocating this really, I'm just more than surprised that it hasn't happened since the ch1/200 thing over 10 years ago.
Maybe a teamspeak channel for all of AH where cussin' is free and almost recommended? :x
Imagine watching Deadwood with censor beeps on every bad word. It would have to be renamed as beepwood.
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200 is good for cross country banter; however I honestly found it useless - one time I had someone in the AvA squelch me simply because the person went on 200 and said "Hey 109, come out of the ack chicken!" - three P-38s were trying to vulch me and I responded "come down and get me shirley"...... I was muted for 60 minutes over it.
Apparently I was "disrespectful, ever since I stopped going to the AvA and pretty much de-tuned 200 since it was frankly a joke.
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200 is good for cross country banter; however I honestly found it useless - one time I had someone in the AvA squelch me simply because the person went on 200 and said "Hey 109, come out of the ack chicken!" - three P-38s were trying to vulch me and I responded "come down and get me shirley"...... I was muted for 60 minutes over it.
Apparently I was "disrespectful, ever since I stopped going to the AvA and pretty much de-tuned 200 since it was frankly a joke.
Try coming back to the AvA .. We have a new group of moderators and we actually are having fun again. Give it a try ..
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what.... :headscratch:
he still HO's..... runs as soon as he loses position...never tries to fight it out.....
he may be an all right stick, he is a great HO shot..... but he has no honor...no respect.... no integrity..... and deserves nothing but disdain.
he is a sad individual who needs a psychiatrist for his narcissism.
Translation: :ahand
33-10.
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Try coming back to the AvA .. We have a new group of moderators and we actually are having fun again. Give it a try ..
I've been pondering on coming back, I was going to wait until the new graphics and design comes out and wait for the feedback. I just hope numbers can rise when the new stuff comes out; Its been probably 6+ years since I was in the AvA, I really missed flying with JG54.
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With all of the other channel 200's available, wonder if anyone has actually setup a super secret cross country channel that only the hmmmm, something like BluBerry's faux squad site invite?
Wonder why the uber resident denizens of ch200 don't agree to another channel in the 200's where they can VOX and text each other to death like Flame Warriors? Might save some wear and tear on the poor Mods. But, 200 is really a stage to show off on since it's now notorious like knowing where the local cat house is located. I doubt anyone would really bother tuning every 200 channel to see if anything was on. Just call it the PizAnt channel and let word of mouth direct the Ants or cats to it.
It's like small towns back when the concept of "other side of the tracks" meant something. As long as those from the other side of the track kept their sins on the other side of the tracks, harmony reigned for the larger population of the law abiding. From time to time things got out of hand and the Sheriff would intervene while the other side of the tracks moved to a new location.
The fact that Hitech has had to get into this POST and talk about the past means the Sheriff is involved. You cannot control man kinds baser nature for very long. You can only manage it. Ch200 has been an other side of the tracks solution all of these years. Now you dorks are breaking the first rule of fight club and screwing a good thing. You never talk about the local cat house and then no one cares about it.
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Not only does the game play suck, but now 200 is the reason the game is dying...this is great...
This is the most pathetic thread I have read so far...I had stayed out of this...
If the game sucks so bad quit...if you don't like 200 don't tune to it...
I like the idea of a un-moderated channel that way you see what ppl really think...but OH NO...you might hurt someone's feelings...
Do any of you ppl that complain about 200 and the trash talk realize that this is a COMPETITIVE WAR GAME...
Do you want competition? Do you want someone playing against you that has that same competitive spirit that you do?
Do you want someone that just bails when you get on their six? Or do you want someone to try their freaking hardest to get you off their six?
This post will probably be a rule violation I'm sure...but this is the most pathetic display of weakness I have ever EVER witnessed on this board...
Cry and freaking whine...boo hoo I'm getting HOed, no one fights my way anymore, 200 runs ppl off from the game but they have to choose to tune to it, but its killing the game...OMFG
Cry Cry Cry...but you know what...when I play I HAVE FUN...I ALWAYS HAVE FUN....I never have problems finding fights...I never just run away from a fight be it 1 on 1 or freaking 10 vs me...and i'll run my mouth on 200 till the freakin world looks level too...I have a competitive side that makes me want to win and when I get shot down I reup and try again...
Why don't you crybags go play freaking Mario or World of Warcraft or whatever freaking stupid crap that someone with no competitive nature would play...
I love this game and you people will see me playing till the lights are turned off on me...just like I have been since 2005...
Go cry somewhere else where somebody actually cares how you feel...and let the men (or boys) play their game...
Disclaimer: This post does not represent the attitude of the entire Anti-Horde squadron...but its pretty damn close... :salute
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Do any of you ppl that complain about 200 and the trash talk realize that this is a COMPETITIVE WAR GAME...
Trash talk crosses the line though when players like splitter start spewing racial/ethnic slurs at you on channel 200 just because you blew up his flak panzie.
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Do any of you ppl that complain about 200 and the trash talk realize that this is a COMPETITIVE WAR GAME...
Do you want competition? Do you want someone playing against you that has that same competitive spirit that you do?
Do you want someone that just bails when you get on their six? Or do you want someone to try their freaking hardest to get you off their six?
Being competitive and a somewhat decent behaviour are not mutually exclusive to each other.
A lot of folks using "competitive game" just as a weak excuse.
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Used to be a lot more "WTGs" and "<S>"'s on 200 then there is now. There used to be a whole lot more "TY's" after the <S>'s were given too. This game is classier then most, yet, it used to have more class as well.
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Trash talk crosses the line though when players like splitter start spewing racial/ethnic slurs at you on channel 200 just because you blew up his flak panzie.
There is no place for racial/ethnic slurs in the trash talk I am speaking of...
Being competitive and a somewhat decent behaviour are not mutually exclusive to each other.
A lot of folks using "competitive game" just as a weak excuse.
Using the game as an excuse to use derogatory language or racial slurs and such is weak and those that do that sort of thing need to be .reported and muted...
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With all of the other channel 200's available, wonder if anyone has actually setup a super secret cross country channel that only the hmmmm, something like BluBerry's faux squad site invite?
Wonder why the uber resident denizens of ch200 don't agree to another channel in the 200's where they can VOX and text each other to death like Flame Warriors? Might save some wear and tear on the poor Mods. But, 200 is really a stage to show off on since it's now notorious like knowing where the local cat house is located. I doubt anyone would really bother tuning every 200 channel to see if anything was on. Just call it the PizAnt channel and let word of mouth direct the Ants or cats to it.
It's like small towns back when the concept of "other side of the tracks" meant something. As long as those from the other side of the track kept their sins on the other side of the tracks, harmony reigned for the larger population of the law abiding. From time to time things got out of hand and the Sheriff would intervene while the other side of the tracks moved to a new location.
The fact that Hitech has had to get into this POST and talk about the past means the Sheriff is involved. You cannot control man kinds baser nature for very long. You can only manage it. Ch200 has been an other side of the tracks solution all of these years. Now you dorks are breaking the first rule of fight club and screwing a good thing. You never talk about the local cat house and then no one cares about it.
Here's the problem. No matter what channel is used it will very quickly become the channel everyone goes to.
couple of reasons.
Everyone agrees a train wreck is a terrible thing. Yet everyone loves to look at a good train wreck.
And I'd still be willing to wager that the large majority of people really dont care about whats on 200. I typically dont. But I dont spend a ton of time looking at or talking on it either. Im either paying attention to what Im doing. Chatting on squad vox. Or watching TV
So that leaves a vocal minority that do care. And more importantly HTC cares. And in the end thats the only group of people that have to care for it to matter.
So what will happen is a new channel is created All of a sudden the majority heads there for the train wreck and then the ones that do care will head there too because the old clean channel will be so unpopulated that they will no longer feel like part of the community and just like watching a train wreck. Everyone wants to be where the crowd is. Thats why the split arenas was so unpopular with so many people. This is all just human nature.
Anyway. Pretty soon the people who want to see it clean will start complaining all over again about what they see and we will be right back here again. As I have also said. "The definition of insanity".
for those that do not know what I mean. Its doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
I favor having a separate free for all channel and one where rules are strictly enforced. Strict as in screw up once and your bounced from the game for the rest of the day. (24 hour day)
Place a disclaimer on each with a check box that must be checked stating your read the rules whenever you tune into one or the other what to expect. You choose one. You follow the rules to the letter. You choose the other and you're on your own. You dont like what you see? Learn the squelch command because complaints fall on deaf ears (just like flame warriors).
Add a parental control option to keep the parents happy and you're set.
Someone recently at FW said about it "This place breaks people" Thats pretty accurate. Not everyone can or wants to handle what goes on there. We can be brutal to one another. Some stay. Some dont and come back here. Some leave then come back... over and over again. But you know what you're in for when you get there. You choose to stay or leave. "Choose" being the operative word here.
Some post on both boards. There and here. Those that do know the deal for each. There its a free for all. Here its not.
You post here you post according to HTC rules. You post there you take what comes with it good or bad.
I'd like to see that just to see how many choose which channel. And it does have the novelty of having not been tried
The above being unlikely.
Everyone seems concerned over the direction of the game. To that effect you have a choice.
You can be an asset or a liability.
Nothing wrong with a little bit of good natured razzing. But ya gotta know when to stop. Some dont
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Theres banter trash talk and then there is calling someone a *&^%*& %^&*($ because you got vulched, or he bailed, or he ran to ack.
Lots of good positive stuff on 200 and plenty of inappropriate negative stuff. Sometimes its hard to believe that almost all the players are adults. I have an 8 year old son that goes goes with me to a lot of adult activities. Hunting camps, competitive shoots, dirt bike groups, snowmobile trips, offroading, etc. with rarely an issue witnessing inappropriate, impolite, or rude behavior by an adult.
He only gets to play AH offline.
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From what I Imagine, most people are more behaved face to face, although I can't say I've met many people that I had initial met over the internet.
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We old guys have a problem. Ch200 and responses to it by older players is like the southern towns where the older population got ordinances voted in by the town council who often were the same age as them to enforce morality on teens and 20 somethings. It was usually because they did't like the way the kids acted, talked or that they wouldn't listen to them.
Just like the mayor's wife of a town in a dry county. Discovering the local hooch shack just over the county line in the wet county that happens to run along the rail road tracks. (This is one of the origins of the other side of the tracks.) Where even her husband the mayor has been visiting for the last decade. And no one is willing to point out to her that she is a hypocrite trying to get it closed down ostensibly because she is the head of the local lady's auxiliary at the church. But, in reality because she is pissed at her hubby and all the young men from her community not living up to her fantasys about reality.
Wanting ch200 closed down or an alternate channel with draconian rules is simply legislating the depth of personal intolerance towards stoopid kids. The worst on ch200 is simply stupid, not something needing draconically imposed morality to balance piqued personal biases.
The hooch shacks were simply moved to another location a few miles down the county line, or the men of the dry county drove into the wet county at night and voted with their wallets. You manage human nature, not hold a gun to it's head because you don't like what comes out of it's mouth in a kiddy game. That is a swine wearing a dress and lipstick called morality, to hide that it has a tattoo on its side from the intolerance is us motorized wheel chair gang.
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You can NOT close down channel 200, nor move it as it is part of the "social" aspect of the game. You can however clean it up! I don't think anyones talking making it "church ready" on 200 but some stuff is way over the line.
Trash talking is trash talking until some people go over the edge and it becomes bullying. That limit/line has gotten blurred over the years and some people need to be reminded where that line is. 4 or 5 years ago Twinboom use to spend half his game time muted. The stuff he got muted for back then is pretty much acceptable behavior these days.
Bullying people and having them "rage quit" doesn't help the game. I'd rather see a dozen fumbled fingered newbies asking endless questions that to see one or two A holes get their kick bullying them. If we can teach newbs how to play, maybe its time to teach A holes that its time to grow up.
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This is beginning to gather momentum towards the toilet. :aok
200 doesn't kill subscribers. People kill subscribers. Moderate properly and this is a non-issue. Properly requires time, purpose, leadership and an ability to stay focused. Josh Hamilton would not be a good Moderator. He would be a good player.
See how that works?
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:rofl
CH 200
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I tuned to it a couple of times, and quickly got bored with it. So I detuned it. Haven't had it tuned in 2-3 years now. Do NOT need to get rid of 200, just have to get rid of the people who screw it up.
Till it's "cleaned up", I won't bother. I generally chat with others via PM any who. :)
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This is beginning to gather momentum towards the toilet. :aok
200 doesn't kill subscribers. People kill subscribers. Moderate properly and this is a non-issue. Properly requires time, purpose, leadership and an ability to stay focused. Josh Hamilton would not be a good Moderator. He would be a good player.
See how that works?
Ooh!! Ooh!! include me to. I'm lazy and would just hit the ban button every time I remembered to log in and read ch200....... :O
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Ooh!! Ooh!! include me to. I'm lazy and would just hit the ban button every time I remembered to log in and read ch200....... :O
Perfect! As long as you don't attempt to explain yourself every time you ban someone. There isn't enough room in the text buffer... :neener: :bolt:
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This is beginning to gather momentum towards the toilet. :aok
200 doesn't kill subscribers. People kill subscribers. Moderate properly and this is a non-issue. Properly requires time, purpose, leadership and an ability to stay focused. Josh Hamilton would not be a good Moderator. He would be a good player.
See how that works?
I don't and my example were repeat offenders over the last 7-8 years blatantly cussing out players on range vox. Yes, that will have a larger effect, than 200.
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Perfect! As long as you don't attempt to explain yourself every time you ban someone. There isn't enough room in the text buffer... :neener: :bolt:
:rofl
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Perfect! As long as you don't attempt to explain yourself every time you ban someone. There isn't enough room in the text buffer... :neener: :bolt:
Oh No....it would be point, click, point click, point, click until I got bored. It would be Hitech's job to splain da pain.......... :O
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You can NOT close down channel 200, nor move it as it is part of the "social" aspect of the game. You can however clean it up!
Dude. I like you
I respect you.
But Ive been seeing that very same statement in various forms including that exact statement about "we can clean it up" going way back to even airwarrior days. Now we're going back almost 20 years. Admirable thought. But it hasnt had a lasting effect yet. Time and time and time again cleaning it up has been tried. and time and time and time again we end up exactly right here all over again
Im not defending what anyone has done or said on 200. Like I said. Its a train wreck.
But at some point it is going to have to be recognized that despite all efforts. Its just not going to happen. That may not be the desirable view. But if rationally thought out it is the only realistic one. History says so.
Time to try something new. Maybe that wont work either. But at least its better then doing the same thing thats been tried for years and years and we know hasnt worked
Give the idiots a place to bludgeon each other if thats what they want to do. Keep another channel clean and strictly enforced. Where civil people can play in peace.
I think you'd be surprised that when you take away the shallow end and have no lifeguard to rescue you at the swimming pool how many people would opt for the lifeguard after a while.
The way I predict it would go down is something like this. Initially, a lot of folk would move to unprotected channel. Stay a while. Then say the hell with this and move to the protected channel. There would be a core group of ruffians who would populate unprotected and it would get terrible ugly for a while with everyone testing out their newfound freedom. Then even that would largely calm down as everyone kinda punches them self out. you would have flair ups and a couple of people who are total buttwipes. But the rest of the channel would gang up on those and they woudl either mellow or leave. Course you may end up with a diehard or two. But those would be pretty much shunned by the rest of the group
Beauty of a clean channel is you wont have to see whats on the unprotected channel even if its directed at you. and if they come into the clean channel and start. They are gone very quickly.
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We old guys have a problem. Ch200 and responses to it by older players is like the southern towns where the older population got ordinances voted in by the town council who often were the same age as them to enforce morality on teens and 20 somethings. It was usually because they did't like the way the kids acted, talked or that they wouldn't listen to them.
Just like the mayor's wife of a town in a dry county. Discovering the local hooch shack just over the county line in the wet county that happens to run along the rail road tracks. (This is one of the origins of the other side of the tracks.) Where even her husband the mayor has been visiting for the last decade. And no one is willing to point out to her that she is a hypocrite trying to get it closed down ostensibly because she is the head of the local lady's auxiliary at the church. But, in reality because she is pissed at her hubby and all the young men from her community not living up to her fantasys about reality.
Wanting ch200 closed down or an alternate channel with draconian rules is simply legislating the depth of personal intolerance towards stoopid kids. The worst on ch200 is simply stupid, not something needing draconically imposed morality to balance piqued personal biases.
The hooch shacks were simply moved to another location a few miles down the county line, or the men of the dry county drove into the wet county at night and voted with their wallets. You manage human nature, not hold a gun to it's head because you don't like what comes out of it's mouth in a kiddy game. That is a swine wearing a dress and lipstick called morality, to hide that it has a tattoo on its side from the intolerance is us motorized wheel chair gang.
On the other hand. You dont get drunk and rowdy and cuss at a church or school. You go to a bar for that.
A place for everything
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This is beginning to gather momentum towards the toilet. :aok
200 doesn't kill subscribers. People kill subscribers. Moderate properly and this is a non-issue. Properly requires time, purpose, leadership and an ability to stay focused. Josh Hamilton would not be a good Moderator. He would be a good player.
See how that works?
And again. This has been tried again and again and again without lasting effect. We always end up right back here having the exact same debate.
You can keep plugging and filling that dry rotted leaky tire all you want. But eventually your gonna have to buy a new tire
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200 is not relevant to the original debate IMO. Whilst it may play a more minor influencing role.......
The core topic is access to, and quality of, gameplay
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The way I predict it would go down is something like this. Initially, a lot of folk would move to unprotected channel. Stay a while. Then say the hell with this and move to the protected channel. There would be a core group of ruffians who would populate unprotected and it would get terrible ugly for a while with everyone testing out their newfound freedom. Then even that would largely calm down as everyone kinda punches them self out. you would have flair ups and a couple of people who are total buttwipes. But the rest of the channel would gang up on those and they woudl either mellow or leave. Course you may end up with a diehard or two. But those would be pretty much shunned by the rest of the group
Exactly this occurred in the AvA some years ago. A small but abusive group drove quite a number of players out of the arena. "I don't need this" was a common refrain. Attempts to moderate the abusers were met with the same sort of thing you've seen in these threads over the years: "This is a competitive game and this is the way people compete;" "What are you, some sort of sissy that you can't take a little smack talk?" People didn't bother to respond, they simply voted with their feet.
If you're going to have cross-country communications - or even same-country communications - you have to have moderators, or you end up with handful of mouthy people who finally get bored and leave when everyone else is gone.
- oldman
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This is exactly why the game is degrading. This HQ issue has been discussed on these forums for YEARS now, Becoming even more prevalent in the past 8 months. Emails and phone calls have been made to HTC also. But NOTHING has been offered by HTC, No comment, No solution. Infact .. not even an acknowledgement. MANY grat players, have offered MANY great ideas to solve this problem, but without ANY feeback from HTC, we can only assume they have been ignored.
(forgive me if this has been addressed by HTC, I don't read the forums nearly as much as I used to. But since I have not personally seen a response, and people are still complaining about the exact same issue, I can only assume it has not)
So their customers are left frustrated and ignorant to the future of the game. I have seen so many long time players who contributed immensely to this game, simply throw up their hands and leave.
I used look forward all day, to getting home and playing. Last month I hardly played at all, this month I think I've logged in 3 times, and quite frankly.. I was a little peeved when I saw HTC billed my card this month, because I had planned to suspend my account for a few months, maybe even cancel completely.
This^ :aok :aok :aok
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Exactly this occurred in the AvA some years ago. A small but abusive group drove quite a number of players out of the arena. "I don't need this" was a common refrain. Attempts to moderate the abusers were met with the same sort of thing you've seen in these threads over the years: "This is a competitive game and this is the way people compete;" "What are you, some sort of sissy that you can't take a little smack talk?" People didn't bother to respond, they simply voted with their feet.
If you're going to have cross-country communications - or even same-country communications - you have to have moderators, or you end up with handful of mouthy people who finally get bored and leave when everyone else is gone.
- oldman
Only my way they dont have to leave the arena. Simply switch channels then you dont have to even see what the abusers have to say. And if they say it in the clean channel. They are gone for the night.
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I think trying to fix anything for AHII is not a priority for The guys at HTC. I mean why worry about it if they are getting ready to release a new version. It is to me like trying to fix up your old car when you are buying a new one. Why put the time and effort into it? While it may cause some folks to leave the new version my drive subscriptions up again and the loss is recouped with new blood so it is a trade-off they seem willing to make. While it may suck in the end it is what it is. I sympathize with folks as I would love to have new/better game-play but in the end it is a game and you never will make everyone happy. I will for myself tough it out and wait for the new version as the game has become more about the folks in the game than just the game itself. Flying with my squaddies and the others in country are what really make the game to me. It is like going to a bar where you know everyone and even though you do the same thing again and again it is fun and enjoyable because of the people not the activity..
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I don't and my example were repeat offenders over the last 7-8 years blatantly cussing out players on range vox. Yes, that will have a larger effect, than 200.
My answer stands...read it again. "Properly moderate" and this issue goes away.
Now do you see????
Hint: proper moderation removes those players you are attempting to make a point with.
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My answer stands...read it again. "Properly moderate" and this issue goes away.
Now do you see????
Hint: proper moderation removes those players you are attempting to make a point with.
I get it, but when the silent majority embraces the slugs, there is no point.
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Dude. I like you
I respect you.
But Ive been seeing that very same statement in various forms including that exact statement about "we can clean it up" going way back to even airwarrior days. Now we're going back almost 20 years. Admirable thought. But it hasnt had a lasting effect yet. Time and time and time again cleaning it up has been tried. and time and time and time again we end up exactly right here all over again
Im not defending what anyone has done or said on 200. Like I said. Its a train wreck.
But at some point it is going to have to be recognized that despite all efforts. Its just not going to happen. That may not be the desirable view. But if rationally thought out it is the only realistic one. History says so.
Time to try something new. Maybe that wont work either. But at least its better then doing the same thing thats been tried for years and years and we know hasnt worked
Give the idiots a place to bludgeon each other if thats what they want to do. Keep another channel clean and strictly enforced. Where civil people can play in peace.
I think you'd be surprised that when you take away the shallow end and have no lifeguard to rescue you at the swimming pool how many people would opt for the lifeguard after a while.
The way I predict it would go down is something like this. Initially, a lot of folk would move to unprotected channel. Stay a while. Then say the hell with this and move to the protected channel. There would be a core group of ruffians who would populate unprotected and it would get terrible ugly for a while with everyone testing out their newfound freedom. Then even that would largely calm down as everyone kinda punches them self out. you would have flair ups and a couple of people who are total buttwipes. But the rest of the channel would gang up on those and they woudl either mellow or leave. Course you may end up with a diehard or two. But those would be pretty much shunned by the rest of the group
Beauty of a clean channel is you wont have to see whats on the unprotected channel even if its directed at you. and if they come into the clean channel and start. They are gone very quickly.
It has been tried, yes, but it hasn't been maintained. Much like the boards, every once in a while Skuzzy comes in and lays about with his ban hammer and everything settles down again...... for a while and then slowly it goes back to being a cesspool. I don't blame Skuzzy, the poor guys got enough to do. He just doesn't have the time to MOD the boards day in and day out like they should be. The same goes for the game. I don't know how many MODs there are but I doubt they have enough to cover 24/7 like it should be. Would they have to be actively MODding? god I hope not! But they should be there to slap someone around if it needs to be done BEFORE things get out of hand.
Having a channel just for the A holes won't work either. THEY get there jollys off by annoying the "regular" folk. No regular folk in the A hole channel, they will just come looking for them.
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I get it, but when the silent majority embraces the slugs, there is no point.
The silent majority may not be embracing the slugs. They may be enjoying their night by ignoring the behavior or detuning 200. The silent majority also understands that they cannot do anything about it except call HTC or hit the report button. They cannot come here and beeeyatch, so they just fly and ignore. I don't. I watch and laugh at the idiocy. One night, MrCrowley went completely MAZZ-rant bananas on Triton28. I have never laughed that hard while playing Aces High, cept when I heard Surfinn quit because FlyinFinn got banned. True story.
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So if it takes 3 sets of bombers to take out the hq, will that garantee it will stay down for - hour???