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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: wil3ur on November 18, 2011, 09:43:07 AM
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Last night I felt ashamed to be a Bishop. We were rolling bases along the Rook front, and everything seemed Hunkey-Dorey. Then I began to look at the map and realized that 90% of the entire bish force was focused into 3 sectors. Looking along the rest of the map, you could count on one hand the number of planes that were not upping in this massive gaggle of planes.
...so yes, this is another Horde thread.
I'm not particularly ashamed of the Horde itself, I can avoid this type of game play, and I had some great fights with Cobia and RangerFL on the Knight side of the map. What I was ashamed of was the comments on country channel, and it's effect on game play.
We had someone continuously spewing, "YES! GET MORE PEOPLE OVER HERE! WE ARE DEMORALIZING THE ROOKS! THEY ARE QUITING! HOPEFULLY THEY'LL ALL QUIT!!!" etc. etc. etc.
I just want to ask a simple question: If your game play in an Online game causes others to logoff and NOT play said Online game... what is the point of playing online? If all you're worried about is seeing your name in lights and rolling undefended bases... why not setup a custom arena or play offline?
Hording maliciously with the intent of depriving others of their gaming experience and with the hopes that they don't return is probably the single most abusive and embarrassing thing I've seen in this game. For all of those not in the Horde last night, I apologize.
For those of you who think the game would be more fun if everyone just quit... YOU'RE RUINING THE INTERNETS!!!!
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I noticed that...I ran 262 at them...made 10 kills before the base got swamped...kinda sad I went ans caught the knight side after... Had more fun
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i remember days of small fights for bases ALL over the map :old: now it's just horde on horde battles .. ehh still only played 90 mins this month the urge to play is less than not to play right now
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it's really weird to me that so many people (the majority?) get satisfaction and enjoyment just from taking bases and winning the war and stuff
for me pretty much the only reason to play Aces High is to dogfight in fighter planes :airplane: :joystick:
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I attribute it to the way online gaming has developed. If you look at other MMOs, practically the goal of them is to find the easiest way to accomplish the objective of the game, however that has been defined by the game designers. They don't care about the journey, they only care about the destination.
In the case of AH, the goal is to win the war. That is the only measurable 'goal' that has been defined, so that is what people focus on. Hording is the easiest way to accomplish that goal.
It's not even about whether they feel they have 'the skill to hang with the big boys' or however the guys that feel the need to chest thump in the face of the horde want to put it. The question they are asking and answering is merely 'what is the easiest path to victory?' That is why you get hording, CV hiding, bomb and bail, gv spawn camping and any other path of least resistance tactics.
The gameplay is not where they derive their fun, the winning or losing is.
I personally don't get it. When I used to play other MMO games, it always confused me when people would get other people to help them get to the top levels as fast as possible, often by doing really really repetitive things. Why are you playing a game when you don't seem to want to ...y'know... play the game? Same deal here. A large majority want to play against other people, as long as the chances those other people have against them are minimal.
All I want to do is help my side out against the other sides by controlling airspace. That generally involves doing my best to help my side push around the enemy planes that are trying to come into our territory and do the same thing to us. That's where I get my fun.
Wiley.
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I switched to Rook so I could kill the guy that was screaming "if you go to 216, you need a good video card!!!". vDallas had the entire Bish nation humping his ankle...
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I switched to Rook so I could kill the guy that was screaming "if you go to 216, you need a good video card!!!". vDallas had the entire Bish nation humping his ankle...
This, in a hoard of over 35+ in film viewer I manage to snag 3 kills in a k4 somehow
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The worst part of it is, when I logged in, there was a great furball going on between the two bases and everyone was having fun. All of the sudden I said on squad chat, "Wait? Where did everyone go?" Then I pulled up dar and saw 2 Huge blobs heading in that literally blocked out part of the map they were flying over. The fight at that area was quickly over.
It's not Blitzkrieg, it's B*#$@krieg.
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Hordes would be fine on this map, but we should first check who has the best chance of winning.
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I noticed that...I ran 262 at them...made 10 kills before the base got swamped...kinda sad I went ans caught the knight side after... Had more fun
That's pretty amazing considering you quit :D
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That's pretty amazing considering you quit :D
My powers are limitless! :joystick:
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That's Jedi stuff there...
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I'm a defender most of the time, very seldom an aggressor. Hordes don't bother me, I can only have guns on 1 plane at a time so if you send 1 or 100 I still defend by engaging 1 aircraft at a time. If buffs are near I attack them, hopefully early enough to disrupt if not alltogether kill them before they drop.
Last night Rooks sent a half dozen buff formations at Knights with escorts. They came in at altitude, I spotted them early enough to get an alert, an aircraft ID, destination, and altitude out on country channell. Many friendlies responded. Stopping them, or stopping their base taking was secondary to having a fight, engaging as many buffs as possible while avoiding their escorts.
Sometimes it takes patience. At least a willingness to spend the time getting to a position that allows you to be productive if you are defending.
I look at the map and see big red dar bars and I see fun.
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I'm starting to get back to my old horde fighting self. Since getting back to the game, I've flown a bit more cautiously. If I saw more than two cons co alt I'd egress and grab more altitude. This past week I have given that up and have just flown head long into the masses. I've enjoyed myself much more this way.
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For me, hordes are not fun, couse
1. if i sit down turnfighting with one (whats impossible tho, ho-run "tactics" forever) i will get picked
2. i can stand in to the line and play the pick-run game myself. Thats no fun for me and i would disgust myself. Also that takes no (zero, null, keine, nyet) skills therefor in my dictionary its very low.
All i try to find is a good turnfight. Not havin so much success with it...
Yup, AH isnt really my game.
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As long as the revolving door of "gamers" keeps the subscription rate even or better your not going to see any real changes. Unfortunately this game doesn't update as quick as WOW and the other games so it won't hold the interest of as many and slowly, over time it will just fade away. Kinda sad really.
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Don't blame the player, blame the map.
In this case at least.
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As long as the revolving door of "gamers" keeps the subscription rate even or better your not going to see any real changes. Unfortunately this game doesn't update as quick as WOW and the other games so it won't hold the interest of as many and slowly, over time it will just fade away. Kinda sad really.
B.S.!
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Don't generally comment, but I would like to say that I have seen you out of the horde far more than in it, wil. Since you are one I recognize, like shiv, from in game, I would say both of you must be around where I end up, more often fighting against a growing dar bar that we almost always are on the lower side of.
I too hate the horde, either side, and try to up against it until my graphics card can no longer take the pain, and fly away from it if it is green. Figthing with a FR of 1 is making it too easy for the red guys, I am bad enough without that.
:cheers:
Bob (jeep00)
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Don't blame the player, blame the map.
In this case at least.
Im not as sure in this.
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The horde is a valuable tool. It gathers all the chaff into one area so that the wheat can thrive elsewhere.
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Im not as sure in this.
i had the same thought, i would like to know which map deters one from the horde, i've played every many 100's of times and the hordes are on every map. it's not map driven it's player driven.
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This is why I would like to see more objectives added to the "win the war" dynamic. There have been plenty of other threads/topics over the years in reference to these ideas. Yet, none have really been added. Bringing the old strat system back, or adding additional strat targets, hardening of targets, etc. are just a few ideas that have been mentioned that may affect the current state of game play for the better IMO. What say you?
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The horde dominates in AH because of the absolute desire to be on a "winning" team. The horde sure as Hell doesn't exist to go find a battle, for 30v1 odds is not a battle. If players get to be a part of the "winning" team regardless of their contribution, then their ego gets a refill, their self worth gets a boost, and they get a gold medal from the Special Olympics. Oh the fun!
The number of people who up aircraft to fight a dogfight (furball if they must), attack ground targets for fun, or otherwise NOT to capture the base or winz the map is getting more and more evident. Pick-n-runners and circle jerkers ... er... I mean spawn campers seem to be the name of the game. Too bad.
HTC have done good things in updating the terrain files (but no winter or desert MA maps?!?!?!) , adding in aircraft and gv's, and creating accurate as can be flight models. I'm disappointed in the lack of tertiary targets to hit since the introduction of the new strategic target (industrial complex), the ease in which fleets are sunk, and the same-same in hardness settings (hardened concrete ammo bunkers should be far more difficult to destroy that plywood barracks, etc). I also scratch my head when I compare tank HE rounds, there is a lot of discrepancies explosives within different HE rounds in the real world that have the same exact damage in AH.
HTC adjusted the dar-bar and radar ring NOE settings and that stopped the 15+ 110G-2 rapist missions that seemed to dominate AH for first couple of years of my playing (started Jan '08), but now we have the massive 20+ P51D missions with fully armed (3k ords and guns) jabos that level the entire base, then pick apart the town at their leisure. Oh the fun.
Sorry for the tangent... but yeah, AH has lost some of its appeal since the massive 30v1 P51D jabos are the bulk of what is being seen.
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Many people have said it before me, but I also fail to understand how anyone can find fun flying in the middle of the horde, doing absolutely nothing except aimlessly flying around. Imagine you are part of this big blob...right in the middle of it.... The guys ahead of you get to the base, smash everything in sight, and by the time you get to the target there is nothing left to kill. You end up flying in circles over the runway in hopes of a vulch until the base is taken by 1 of 15 goons or m3s that are spammed in. What did you do? Nothing. You did absolutely nothing. I'm sorry, but if you find "fun" in that, you must be the most boring, unambitious person on the planet. This is the vTards in a nutshell. Boring, unambitious, unskilled, predictable....The only thing they have going for them is massive numbers. In real life that might mean something. In a game, it basically means they concede that they are so bad they cant do it any other way. I pick on the vTards not because they are the only ones doing it, they are just the most extreme example. The best people are the vTard groupies who follow them whenever they switch countries because they need to be able to hide in the massive horde. It's pretty sad when you cant even come up with virtual courage in a video game. In the end its their 15 bucks and I guess they can do whatever they want with it....I will just never understand that mentality.
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But what is the Horde "winning" other than perk points? any good stick can rack up 25 fighter perks in a few sorties same for GV's and Bombers so what are they really winning? fighting the Horde is no longer fun, like many have said you get into a fight in the horde 7 others will dive in on you the second your engaged with a con, you turn to engage the 7 and they run or bail, yea great fun.
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Im not as sure in this.
Hard to complain about hording when there's a limited number of fights. And that's what happens on Trinity.
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i had the same thought, i would like to know which map deters one from the horde, i've played every many 100's of times and the hordes are on every map. it's not map driven it's player driven.
It's not that there are maps that deter hordes; it's that this one pretty much only has hordes.
On the other ones there's usually an alternative.
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SmokinLoon may be right.
Why i cant see any noe mission nowadays?
Becouse theres practically no noe! Until the radar shows a plane what is flying under treetop level (yes, 65 feet is under treetop), they will never attempt a sneak attack.
Whats their choice? Get in the fastest ride (pony) so skill wont really matter (a monkey can run away straight too), get large numbers (more is better, even more, even bettah), get to 15k (if someones still higher than you, you can shallow dive to the nearest friendly base woohoo), then let the game begin.
Whats this game about? Ho-Pick-Run. Nothing else.
Back in the past, the plane i could kill the most was the spitfire 8-9-16. Bloody hell, in the first 2 weeks this month i couldnt kill a single spixie. Not couse im lame, sure im lame but still i can outtfly most of the spixes. I havent seen one (1) to play with! All i seen was ponies, 190s, tiffies, lalas. Guess, they werent on the deck. Nor were trying to fight, just ran away after 2-3 BnZ/Ho passes (talkin about the lalas. the others arent capable dogfighters, i dont except them to turn).
Today i had 20 mins for a quick flight. Seen a c205 8-10k above me, was thinking, hey it might be a good fight, my plane is a bit better (g6), he has alt, should be fun. He had one (1) BnZ pass and one head on pass on me, then choosed to run to his ack (8-9 miles away), spiced with some stick stir. Its not an unique thing, i get it from 95% of the players. Then a same behaving player submits his newest squad name: "killer of the irish NUN". LMFAO
Pathetic, low, lame, boring. This is not my game anymore. And telling you, if there wont be a radical change, this game will die out in 2-3 years. Aces low. Consider this!!
My tail is full with it at all.
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my wish to change the gameplay
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,323841.0.html
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I just want to ask a simple question: If your game play in an Online game causes others to logoff and NOT play said Online game... what is the point of playing online?
Maybe I have just played too much counter strike, but I thought that making people leave the server in disgust was the whole point of an online game. :cool:
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this thread is depressing. :(
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Maybe I have just played too much counter strike, but I thought that making people leave the server in disgust was the whole point of an online game. :cool:
once enough players are pissed off in disgust and leave the server who's left besides the horde monkeys? i sure hope not to many other players share yor thinking.
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The map we had last night funnels all of the action into a small area, it's just the way it works. It takes huge numbers or a CV and self control to move any mud on that map.
Demoralizing the opponents isn't good sportsmanship. I learned this back in peewee baseball. Talking about it on country channel leads to talking about it on channel 200 which invites 262s.
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I like to engage in fights where my adrenalin gets pumping and I am thinking about how to get the angle on the other guy. If the numbers are too unbalanced, I can't do that, there is no fun in making one turn followed by getting clobbered by multiple picking p51s and spit 16s. The fights need to offer a sense of possible success, if they don't its as boring and predictable as not fighting at all. Hordes eliminate that sense as no one can take on 4+ guys and win.
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SmokinLoon may be right.
Why i cant see any noe mission nowadays?
Becouse theres practically no noe! Until the radar shows a plane what is flying under treetop level (yes, 65 feet is under treetop), they will never attempt a sneak attack.
Whats their choice? Get in the fastest ride (pony) so skill wont really matter (a monkey can run away straight too), get large numbers (more is better, even more, even bettah), get to 15k (if someones still higher than you, you can shallow dive to the nearest friendly base woohoo), then let the game begin.
Whats this game about? Ho-Pick-Run. Nothing else.
Back in the past, the plane i could kill the most was the spitfire 8-9-16. Bloody hell, in the first 2 weeks this month i couldnt kill a single spixie. Not couse im lame, sure im lame but still i can outtfly most of the spixes. I havent seen one (1) to play with! All i seen was ponies, 190s, tiffies, lalas. Guess, they werent on the deck. Nor were trying to fight, just ran away after 2-3 BnZ/Ho passes (talkin about the lalas. the others arent capable dogfighters, i dont except them to turn).
Today i had 20 mins for a quick flight. Seen a c205 8-10k above me, was thinking, hey it might be a good fight, my plane is a bit better (g6), he has alt, should be fun. He had one (1) BnZ pass and one head on pass on me, then choosed to run to his ack (8-9 miles away), spiced with some stick stir. Its not an unique thing, i get it from 95% of the players. Then a same behaving player submits his newest squad name: "killer of the irish NUN". LMFAO
Pathetic, low, lame, boring. This is not my game anymore. And telling you, if there wont be a radical change, this game will die out in 2-3 years. Aces low. Consider this!!
My tail is full with it at all.
NOE used to mean Nap of the Earth and meant the enemy can't see you on radar.
Now it means NO Energy and you're going to get slaughtered if you do it.
Remember Chewie the NOE mission king? After the radar deck was lowered on average he would be the 1st one killed in at least 11 of every 10 NOE missions he'd lead.
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once enough players are pissed off in disgust and leave the server who's left besides the horde monkeys? i sure hope not to many other players share yor thinking.
My comment was tongue in cheek :)
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Ardy, I see where your coming from. I took your statement and changed it to how I see it.
I like to engage in fights where my adrenalin gets pumping and I am thinking about how to get the angle on the other guy. If the numbers are too unbalanced, I can't do that easily, there is great fun in making one kill followed by getting attacked by multiple picking p51s and spit 16s. The fights need to offer a sense of possible success, that success includes gettin an engagement no matter how brief then using skills and SA to either egress or reset and attack again. if they don't its as boring and predictable as not fighting at all. Fighting hordes makes no sense if you are unwilling to egress and reset and all you want is a one on one gentelmens fight..
If you look for fun you will find it.
if you look for misery you will find it.
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Until HiTech makes a radical change in the overall game play paradigme.
Increase the number of bombs it takes to destroy ord, fuel, fighter/bomber hangers and the vehical hanger. Increase the percentage of town destroyed to get a white flag. Change troop numbers from 10 to 20 to take the map room. The Hoardlings have worked out the numbers again to win within the current framework while exposing themselves to the least amount of risk. Being smart kids they noticed correctly that most players won't invest the time to get much above 12k on any given night. It gives thier escorts room to run away when they do get caught by better pilots.
Excellent risk management and understanding of their primary adversaries overall. Someone is paying attention and doing his homework. After all, You are here complaining to HiTech that he needs to change something because they are frustrating you again? This is not the first time the hoardlings have frustrated you like this. If that is winning for them, at least one group in this game is ecstatic and having a great time without dictitorial interference from manegment.
Has anyone noticed whenever you have successfuly beat back a vHord, it's because you defended long enough that your resources at that feild came back up along with killing every single C47/M3/LTV in their troop delivery hoard. By that time enough players with better than average ACM skills have upped for the furball while the weak personal ACM skills of many of the hoarders become apparent and they give up. Waystin and SYKO were observing that fact earlier this week. Showing up at alt with a squad fighter sweep showcases their weak personal ACM skills and often clears them from that secotr because a group of players were willing to make a concerted show of force.
Squad night for some of the "older" squads on the other hand is like night and day to how better all of the skill sets are developed. Especially how efficiently they shut down bases and kill the defenders in the subsiquent furballing. They just don't define thier game happiness by making a living out of it every night of the week.
So now you are getting a glimpse of why we were warned what would eventualy happen 30 years ago. This is the result of giving the kids on both peewee league teams a trophy for just showing up with a uniform on and not keeping score. Risk and self esteem are inexorably intertwined. The members in agreement with the OP of this posting measure risk based reward from a different ideology than the hoardlings. Thats kind of like you guys are telling HiTech he has to force Lambs to be Lions or you will quit.
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From: The Great Act of the Arena's.
by: the Unknown Chronicler of Gaming.
Act142, Scene 18, 11th year of the new era.
Yet Another Lion Revolt.
The Lions are complaining to Ceaser that the Lambs have banded together and trampeling them to death.
Lions: Oh great Ceaser the Lambs are killing us. Make them stop and act like Lambs.
Ceaser: Are you not Lions?
Lions: The Lambs do not respect our Lionly aspects and accept their fate as our food.
Ceaser: Act like Lions or starve.
Lions: Then we will whine like Jackels and hold our breath until your arena crumbles to dust.
Ceaser: Other Lions will replace you while some lambs grow into Rams.
Lions: The sounds of Jackels and deep breaths being drawn in.
Ceaser: A new toy should keep the kitties entertained for awhile. Summon Waffel my Master Toy Maker!
Lions: Sounds of snoring and heavy sleep breathing.
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Increase the percentage of town destroyed to get a white flag. Change troop numbers from 10 to 20 to take the map room.
So your goal is to increase the average horde size and reduce the number of subscribers even further? ;)
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Yep I was there...It was sad to see that crud on country.....all I wanted was to be attacked by the otherside.....and to be honest it wasn't all dallas..unless he goes by a different name.....
but yes it was sad...the excitment at how big the dars were in 4-5 sectors was laughable....
Almost changed sides....
hmmm I've noticed the pigs practicing their fighter sweeps on bases too..capping and attacking low slow uppers :noid
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I'm starting to get back to my old horde fighting self. Since getting back to the game, I've flown a bit more cautiously. If I saw more than two cons co alt I'd egress and grab more altitude. This past week I have given that up and have just flown head long into the masses. I've enjoyed myself much more this way.
I would hope so :)
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Yep I was there...It was sad to see that crud on country.....all I wanted was to be attacked by the otherside.....and to be honest it wasn't all dallas..unless he goes by a different name.....
but yes it was sad...the excitment at how big the dars were in 4-5 sectors was laughable....
Almost changed sides....
Four sectors all had full red darbars, and in eac the was a 2 plane dar trying to defend
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The horde dominates in AH because of the absolute desire to be on a "winning" team. The horde sure as Hell doesn't exist to go find a battle, for 30v1 odds is not a battle. If players get to be a part of the "winning" team regardless of their contribution, then their ego gets a refill, their self worth gets a boost, and they get a gold medal from the Special Olympics. Oh the fun!
The number of people who up aircraft to fight a dogfight (furball if they must), attack ground targets for fun, or otherwise NOT to capture the base or winz the map is getting more and more evident. Pick-n-runners and circle jerkers ... er... I mean spawn campers seem to be the name of the game. Too bad.
HTC have done good things in updating the terrain files (but no winter or desert MA maps?!?!?!) , adding in aircraft and gv's, and creating accurate as can be flight models. I'm disappointed in the lack of tertiary targets to hit since the introduction of the new strategic target (industrial complex), the ease in which fleets are sunk, and the same-same in hardness settings (hardened concrete ammo bunkers should be far more difficult to destroy that plywood barracks, etc). I also scratch my head when I compare tank HE rounds, there is a lot of discrepancies explosives within different HE rounds in the real world that have the same exact damage in AH.
HTC adjusted the dar-bar and radar ring NOE settings and that stopped the 15+ 110G-2 rapist missions that seemed to dominate AH for first couple of years of my playing (started Jan '08), but now we have the massive 20+ P51D missions with fully armed (3k ords and guns) jabos that level the entire base, then pick apart the town at their leisure. Oh the fun.
Sorry for the tangent... but yeah, AH has lost some of its appeal since the massive 30v1 P51D jabos are the bulk of what is being seen.
So in the end the key is redefining what 'winning' is in an air combat game. I have yet to feel any satisfaction when a map is closed. I'm not sure why that's 'winning' ?
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So in the end the key is redefining what 'winning' is in an air combat game. I have yet to feel any satisfaction when a map is closed. I'm not sure why that's 'winning' ?
'm with you on that one...
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This is why I would like to see more objectives added to the "win the war" dynamic. There have been plenty of other threads/topics over the years in reference to these ideas. Yet, none have really been added. Bringing the old strata system back, or adding additional strat targets, hardening of targets, etc. are just a few ideas that have been mentioned that may affect the current state of game play for the better IMO. What say you?
I agree completely. The game needs a strategy other then follow the learder to blow up town buildings and hangers. IMO the MA has become a enlarged version of the DA with added ability to drop buildings. Make the game more of a challenge and you'll get more challenging players taking part. Make this game a thinking mans game instead of the gamey arcade shooting gallery we have now. If they don't the player set we have now will just run the game into the ground, just as they did with Fighter Ace. There's a reason that game and others went under, and this game is no different.
And please folks, lets cut out the ugly talk about the beloved Pee51....I'm starting to get a complex :uhoh
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Ardy, I see where your coming from. I took your statement and changed it to how I see it.
I like to engage in fights where my adrenalin gets pumping and I am thinking about how to get the angle on the other guy. If the numbers are too unbalanced, I can't do that easily, there is great fun in making one kill followed by getting attacked by multiple picking p51s and spit 16s. The fights need to offer a sense of possible success, that success includes gettin an engagement no matter how brief then using skills and SA to either egress or reset and attack again. if they don't its as boring and predictable as not fighting at all. Fighting hordes makes no sense if you are unwilling to egress and reset and all you want is a one on one gentelmens fight..
If you look for fun you will find it.
if you look for misery you will find it.
Here, Zoney,
get 5 guys together, meet in at a agreed upon location, 4 attacking you, you on the other. Fly a plane that is not the fastest in the game, and try and fight all of them at the same time. I bet you, you will not be able to 'reset and attack' unless you enter the fight with an enormous e adv.
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Here, Zoney,
get 5 guys together, meet in at a agreed upon location, 4 attacking you, you on the other. Fly a plane that is not the fastest in the game, and try and fight all of them at the same time. I bet you, you will not be able to 'reset and attack' unless you enter the fight with an enormous e adv.
Um... For what earthly reason would you a) not take a fast plane to a fight like that, and b) not enter it with an enormous E advantage?
Wiley.
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This is why I would like to see more objectives added to the "win the war" dynamic. There have been plenty of other threads/topics over the years in reference to these ideas. Yet, none have really been added. Bringing the old strat system back, or adding additional strat targets, hardening of targets, etc. are just a few ideas that have been mentioned that may affect the current state of game play for the better IMO. What say you?
At some point folks, you need to stop blaming the players. I am not a vDallas fan, but if his effect on the game is such, and it is perceived by the majority as counterproductive, then it is simple. The objectives of the game have been reached by vDallas and his country mates. The result of vDallas and his country mates' success has doomed the less successful countries to assume the roles of unwilling defenders, non participants in defense of the over aggresive surge, or those that log off or leave the game entirely.
Bacon8tr has the point in hand. HTC, it doesn't take much. Look at the effect that 50% town building destroyed and adding a flag had on changing the concept of what it took to "WIN". Yes, I said WIN. It is NOT a bad word.
Although I don't say that rolling back to 50% is the cure, I do point to the obvious. During that time, if you rolled the majority of your resources to one area, you left the rest of your fields vulnerable to multiple attacks. So, it is SO clearly obvious to me that making field captures proportionally easier, promotes MORE missions, MORE fights, and YES MORE FUN.
That is just ONE example. Like Bacon8tr says plenty of suggestions of things that WE (the player) have wished for. I just say that the importance should be placed on design that does not channel massive attacks against single targets as the END ALL to conquering the WAR.
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Um... For what earthly reason would you a) not take a fast plane to a fight like that, and b) not enter it with an enormous E advantage?
because bnzing gets old and boring. yes, we could all take me262s, drop in at 22k and rack up kills, then log off with.... oh wait for it....
.... with a failure of ever creating an adrenalin rush as there was no challenge in it.
The goal isn't to get kills, its to have a reasonable challenge.
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At some point folks, you need to stop blaming the players. I am not a vDallas fan, but if his effect on the game is such, and it is perceived by the majority as counterproductive, then it is simple. The objectives of the game have been reached by vDallas and his country mates. The result of vDallas and his country mates' success has doomed the less successful countries to assume the roles of unwilling defenders, non participants in defense of the over aggresive surge, or those that log off or leave the game entirely.
Bacon8tr has the point in hand. HTC, it doesn't take much. Look at the effect that 50% town building destroyed and adding a flag had on changing the concept of what it took to "WIN". Yes, I said WIN. It is NOT a bad word.
Although I don't say that rolling back to 50% is the cure, I do point to the obvious. During that time, if you rolled the majority of your resources to one area, you left the rest of your fields vulnerable to multiple attacks. So, it is SO clearly obvious to me that making field captures proportionally easier, promotes MORE missions, MORE fights, and YES MORE FUN.
That is just ONE example. Like Bacon8tr says plenty of suggestions of things that WE (the player) have wished for. I just say that the importance should be placed on design that does not channel massive attacks against single targets as the END ALL to conquering the WAR.
Note the main theme in your post. Attacks on fields. It isn't the only thing in the game.
Define "Win" as well. I'm of the opinion it isn't just one thing within the game that = 'win'.
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because bnzing gets old and boring.
For you. I find plenty of opportunities for it to be fun. Those generally occur when either the guys on the other side do their jobs right to get me lower and slower than something else coming in, or when I screw up and get myself slow.
yes, we could all take me262s, drop in at 22k and rack up kills, then log off with.... oh wait for it....
.... with a failure of ever creating an adrenalin rush as there was no challenge in it.
The goal isn't to get kills, its to have a reasonable challenge.
The jets are a special case, but even with them, are you saying your adreneline doesn't get going when you're taking on multiples low and you see 1 or 2 or 6 bandits with alt, E, and position to catch you, and they're heading in your direction?
Wiley.
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Guppy.....that was kind of the line I was attempting to cross. At present all that is required is the 90/20 rule. I would think that the gaming enviroment would improve and offer a more diverse choice of targets or objectives if the strats truley had a strategic value to the "wars" outcome. Adding tangible targets such as ship yards that effected task groups, rail depots and rail lines that actually had an impact on the game etc. I don't know...maybe im just babbling aimlessly, but to me it appears there are possible answers to this issue out there. They just haven't been implemented.
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For you. I find plenty of opportunities for it to be fun. Those generally occur when either the guys on the other side do their jobs right to get me lower and slower than something else coming in, or when I screw up and get myself slow.
The jets are a special case, but even with them, are you saying your adreneline doesn't get going when you're taking on multiples low and you see 1 or 2 or 6 bandits with alt, E, and position to catch you, and they're heading in your direction?
Wiley.
Gonna take a chance here and speak for bunnies. That's not what gets the adrenalin pumping. Proving that you can out bore and snore the other guy to death just doesn't do it.
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Gonna take a chance here and speak for bunnies. That's not what gets the adrenalin pumping. Proving that you can out bore and snore the other guy to death just doesn't do it.
...so it gets your adrenaline pumping to dive into a pack and TnB until you inevitably die?
Wiley.
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Was this post bumped from 2006??? :bolt:
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Gonna take a chance here and speak for bunnies. That's not what gets the adrenalin pumping. Proving that you can out bore and snore the other guy to death just doesn't do it.
Agreed
The adrenaline for me gets going for me in the close in, yanking and banking, type of fight that the advantage changes places several times, over the course of several minutes.
I have absolutely no love for the high speed BnZ passes that many people make within this game. To me it is the most boring of them all and I only reserve such things for hunting bombers, which I generally only worry about doing when I can't find any decent dogfight action to take on.
BnZ= snoresville
TnB= adrenaline pouring from every pore.
But hey that is just my take on things
And wiley yes it is completely possible to get the adrenaline going even if you know that you will eventually die. I have done it several times but there has to be a chance lasting more than a few seconds.
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Was this post bumped from 2006??? :bolt:
Pfft. There's horde posts from 2000, I assume AW, and probably the flight simulation board game people played before the Internet.
I'm dying to see the game mechanic that makes adding more people to a task less effective that isn't so ridiculously gamey that it breaks the game.
Wiley.
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The adrenaline for me gets going for me in the close in, yanking and banking, type of fight that the advantage changes places several times, over the course of several minutes.
Ah! You mean a "duel"! I agree, those can be fun. Why are you expecting that kind of gameplay in an open, FFA arena?
Wiley.
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Ah! You mean a "duel"! I agree, those can be fun. Why are you expecting that kind of gameplay in an open, FFA arena?
Wiley.
Not necessarily a duel.
Not always is that going to happen with a one on one. Sometimes this happens with a 3 or 2 on 1, but never in a 30 on 1.
I used to see good fights like this all the time in the MA's. I could even show you some films from fights that i had in MA's. I am not going to say that it was the only kind of fight but I usually had no trouble finding them. These days it is getting harder and harder though. It's a shame too.
To be honest with you the best ones happen inside the MA's, even if they are extremely rare. The reason is many times they don't start with all participants at same 'e' states and definitely not all the same plane and again many times 2-3 on 1. Fighting your way out of a mess is the most fun in game, even if you don't win, but having a chance is the key.
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To be honest with you the best ones happen inside the MA's, even if they are extremely rare. The reason is many times they don't start with all participants at same 'e' states and definitely not all the same plane and again many times 2-3 on 1. Fighting your way out of a mess is the most fun in game, even if you don't win, but having a chance is the key.
Right. That doesn't happen on the deck under 30 bandits, I agree.
I quite often find 2s and 3s above them though. Occasionally some of them are even looking for a fight.
Now by the sound of it the situation that started this thread was extreme, I wasn't on. However, it's silly to head to an empty sector looking for a horde to fight, why would you head for a horde looking for a couple bandits to fight with? I can't recall a play session where there were absolutely no two or three plane red bar dars available on the map.
Wiley.
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Gonna take a chance here and speak for bunnies. That's not what gets the adrenalin pumping. Proving that you can out bore and snore the other guy to death just doesn't do it.
:aok :aok couldn't have said it better myself.
Its not TnB'n its about quickly thinking how to position your plane to where you think the other guy will be in 2 sec. much like a high speed chess match.
However, it's silly to head to an empty sector looking for a horde to fight, why would you head for a horde looking for a couple bandits to fight with? I can't recall a play session where there were absolutely no two or three plane red bar dars available on the map.
The problem is that few are willing to fight unless they can gang you (ie they run away). Furthermore, it not uncommon to look at the map and see only 2 kinds of fights, hordes & milk runners. Maybe this is because I live on the PST time zone so there are less players, (usually about 75-150).
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What is the confusion guys ? If you want to dual go to the DA . If you don't want to follow the horde or be swarmed by an enemy horde , go somewhere else . Really it's just that simple . (Skuzzy should lock this thread for it's repetative redundency)
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I have to agree 100% with Wil3er on this thread. It happens in midwar as well. The Knights in Midwar roll 2 to 3 maps per day.
:salute
TeeArr
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Right. That doesn't happen on the deck under 30 bandits, I agree.
I quite often find 2s and 3s above them though. Occasionally some of them are even looking for a fight.
Now by the sound of it the situation that started this thread was extreme, I wasn't on. However, it's silly to head to an empty sector looking for a horde to fight, why would you head for a horde looking for a couple bandits to fight with? I can't recall a play session where there were absolutely no two or three plane red bar dars available on the map.
Wiley.
I too think it is silly to think anyone will find that kind of fight in a massive horde. I only added my comment as a response to why the (what I call) lazy BnZ passes and lacking the adrenaline filled adventure many of us are looking for.
I believe the OP was merely trying to ascertain why people would want to make people not want to play any more and why that would even remotely find it fun and had absolutely nothing to do with whether BnZ is fun or TnB.
I also rarely find the 2's and 3's above them even remotely interested in fighting, only running to their friends below the moment you get on their six.
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The problem is that few are willing to fight unless they can gang you (ie they run away).
Which is why I mentioned the fast plane, and horrendous E advantage. This makes their running away harder.
Furthermore, it not uncommon to look at the map and see only 2 kinds of fights, hordes & milk runners. Maybe this is because I live on the PST time zone so there are less players, (usually about 75-150).
Ah. Yeah, I run by you once in a while a bit later in my normal play sessions (I'm MST).
Timing really seems to radically alter peoples' gaming experiences, and I think that's why a lot of people simply can't fathom what others are talking about. Best numbers seem to center on EST primetime, anything outside that is a completely different gaming experience, I agree.
Later on in my evening, which would probably be smack in the middle of yours, I agree it often gets to the point where there's an unopposed horde running around and a few singletons or pairs off in other parts of the map. The singletons and pairs are sometimes just milk running to give them something to do until someone comes along to fight them, but yeah, I agree some of them are in something fast that will run as soon as they see you.
I guess the way I look at the MAs is, I can't expect anybody to give me a chance at them, I have to take it in some way.
Wiley.
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I also rarely find the 2's and 3's above them even remotely interested in fighting, only running to their friends below the moment you get on their six.
True, that's what often happens. That just means the next highest bandit is now on the plate. He may want to fight.
Wiley.
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Until HiTech makes a radical change in the overall game play paradigme.
You can only change the game as it is if he accepts your request in the first place. Then it's a backend administrators change of the white flag percentage, radar minimums, and object hardness. Then the hoard will spend 1-2 tours finding a way to adapt to the change and return to rolling bases because that is the kind of human being they are. Because of the kind of human being you are, you will happily feast on them while they are learning to manage the new risk requirments.
Anything else is the Lions asking Ceaser to make the Lambs act like Lions. And probably next week the Lambs will have the same post asking Ceaser to make the Lions act like Lambs.
Adrenalin junkies versus the kids who drop cinder blocks from highway overpasses and run away.
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True, that's what often happens. That just means the next highest bandit is now on the plate. He may want to fight.
Wiley.
There is always that chance but after a while it gets pretty boring spending the extra time to fly to that alt just to have all of the 2-3 run off and avoid the fight all together.
I know it must sound fairly lazy but I really get tired of spending more time getting to the fight than actually fighting it. Which is why I prefer to fly from a base being attacked by at most 2 to 3 cons even if they have a slight advantage over me, unfortunately these have become extremely rare of late.
Oh well, I know I will have to find another method of fun, but I am very sure it won't consist of BnZ type of action. zzzzzzzzz
:salute
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Dang Debrody, your posts are quite dramatic.
Fun is what you make of it. Lets examine what you are looking for: a turn fight, 1 vs 1 with another AC that will comply with no HO attempts. Is
this correct?
I have seen you fly with a large group many times, a "hoard" if you will. How can a 1 vs 1 be found when many friendly and enemy are in the same area?
You’re a 109 flyer, yes?
Why not start out with altitude, B&Z them into a turn fight and battle on your terms? If you stay low and think your going to get someone to give up there energy advantage to engage you in a turn fight......well....you are correct, this may not be the game for you.
Respectfully
Jeffn
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Now it means NO Energy and you're going to get slaughtered if you do it.
Evidently you do not remember the vast number of 110's that attacked NOW against towns whiel a few Spit16's provided CAP while they 110's raped and pillaged? That was far more common when it could be done, with the radar setting at 65ft inside dar rings, it is a bit tougher to do.
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Evidently you do not remember the vast number of 110's that attacked NOW against towns whiel a few Spit16's provided CAP while they 110's raped and pillaged? That was far more common when it could be done, with the radar setting at 65ft inside dar rings, it is a bit tougher to do.
I remember that. Heck, I used to DO that.
It can still be done too. Unfortunately, most players get hesitant when they are required to REALLY hug the deck. They prefer to just get into something fast, drop ords on or near target and then climb or run.
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Until HiTech makes a radical change in the overall game play paradigme.
You can only change the game as it is if he accepts your request in the first place. Then it's a backend administrators change of the white flag percentage, radar minimums, and object hardness. Then the hoard will spend 1-2 tours finding a way to adapt to the change and return to rolling bases because that is the kind of human being they are. Because of the kind of human being you are, you will happily feast on them while they are learning to manage the new risk requirments.
Anything else is the Lions asking Ceaser to make the Lambs act like Lions. And probably next week the Lambs will have the same post asking Ceaser to make the Lions act like Lambs.
Adrenalin junkies versus the kids who drop cinder blocks from highway overpasses and run away.
Bustr,
I was indeed pleasantly surprised when I saw HTC switch to a 50% town and white flag some months ago. This did tame the Lions and added some teeth to the Lambs, to use your analogy. Yes, the Lions and some misguided Lambs cried foul..... "It is TOO EASY!!!! :ahand my country was not able to win the war because it only takes one bomber to get a town white flagged, one attacker to deack and one goon to bring in 10 troops :ahand " <<< The horror you say???
HTC obliged and rolled back the town white flag percentage to 75%. Now we have new flag system and the same old capture dynamics as before. So, the stradegy rolls back to 2006 hordes and many complain that there has been no progress. No wonder HTC would rather rearrange his sock drawer than try and design a new generation of AH that would no doubt raise criticism of how the game has been ruined, rather than improved.
Another thing, folks that are in agreement with game play are in the arenas playing. Those that are not, are on the forums ..... hopefully to give some wise suggestions for a new direction that would appease the majority and boost the games popularity and subscriptions.
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What is the confusion guys ? If you want to dual go to the DA . If you don't want to follow the horde or be swarmed by an enemy horde , go somewhere else . Really it's just that simple . (Skuzzy should lock this thread for it's repetative redundency)
And that's the stupidly repetitive answer from someone comfortable in the horde.
No one is asking for the perfect 1 v 1. Combat against multiple enemies is good fun. Wading into a 4 v 4 or even an 8 v 4 can be fun. Running into a never ending 8 v 1 gets old.
A dogfight in my mind is a swirling mass of planes, and the best dogfights happen when those numbers are roughly equal.
It has nothing to do with a co alt, 1 v 1 fight, which is why the same idiotic 'go to the DA' response gets really old.
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Screw the horde....they exist for those few that want to eat fresh meat....and hunting is good these days. :aok
If you don't like um...change sides and kill their asses. If you can't do it alone, call your friends, call your enemies...they will come to a fight. Next question please...
Your good buddy,
Changeup
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Don't generally comment, but I would like to say that I have seen you out of the horde far more than in it, wil. Since you are one I recognize, like shiv, from in game, I would say both of you must be around where I end up, more often fighting against a growing dar bar that we almost always are on the lower side of.
I too hate the horde, either side, and try to up against it until my graphics card can no longer take the pain, and fly away from it if it is green. Figthing with a FR of 1 is making it too easy for the red guys, I am bad enough without that.
:cheers:
Bob (jeep00)
:cheers: WHISKEY TIME!!!
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And that's the stupidly repetitive answer from someone comfortable in the horde.
No one is asking for the perfect 1 v 1. Combat against multiple enemies is good fun. Wading into a 4 v 4 or even an 8 v 4 can be fun. Running into a never ending 8 v 1 gets old.
A dogfight in my mind is a swirling mass of planes, and the best dogfights happen when those numbers are roughly equal.
It has nothing to do with a co alt, 1 v 1 fight, which is why the same idiotic 'go to the DA' response gets really old.
So get 3 of your buddies and start from the edge and work your way in. Somewhere along the edge of the horde, there are 4 to 8 planes close together. Attack them but be mindful if they start to run toward their buddies.
Alternately, bemoan the fact that not enough people play like you want them to.
Wiley.
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Bustr,
I was indeed pleasantly surprised when I saw HTC switch to a 50% town and white flag some months ago. This did tame the Lions and added some teeth to the Lambs, to use your analogy. Yes, the Lions and some misguided Lambs cried foul..... "It is TOO EASY!!!! :ahand my country was not able to win the war because it only takes one bomber to get a town white flagged, one attacker to deack and one goon to bring in 10 troops :ahand " <<< The horror you say???
HTC obliged and rolled back the town white flag percentage to 75%. Now we have new flag system and the same old capture dynamics as before. So, the stradegy rolls back to 2006 hordes and many complain that there has been no progress. No wonder HTC would rather rearrange his sock drawer than try and design a new generation of AH that would no doubt raise criticism of how the game has been ruined, rather than improved.
Another thing, folks that are in agreement with game play are in the arenas playing. Those that are not, are on the forums ..... hopefully to give some wise suggestions for a new direction that would appease the majority and boost the games popularity and subscriptions.
What would change that is to have the towns be %100 down. It takes that much more TIME to capture it, not people. Having to inspect each and every building in the town takes multiple pairs of eyes scouting. As it is now, the towns need to get hammers X amount and when the white flag goes up then the challenge is gone. Of course, the knee jerkers will say "that will bring even bigger hordes!!!" My reply is simple: how much bigger can the hordes get? 30v1 odds is no better than the 36v1 odds for the defenders. Adding in the the %100 will force some of the muscle of the horde to become scouts/eyes. Remove the white flag, up it to %95-%100 and find out.
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So get 3 of your buddies and start from the edge and work your way in. Somewhere along the edge of the horde, there are 4 to 8 planes close together. Attack them but be mindful if they start to run toward their buddies.
Alternately, bemoan the fact that not enough people play like you want them to.
Wiley.
LOL thanks Wiley. All these years playing and I never thought of that!
I was responding to the 'go to the DA' comment is all. It's the classic idiotic response in this conversation.
I have no great illusions that the game is going to change and have adjusted my thinking accordingly over the years. Ultimately the dream is that instead of it being so many different groups, that the game can evolve to where the fight is king whether it be in pursuit of taking a base, tank fighting or air combat.
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LOL thanks Wiley. All these years playing and I never thought of that!
Well y'know, sometimes you just need someone who's not as close to the problem to point you in the right direction. ;)
I was responding to the 'go to the DA' comment is all. It's the classic idiotic response in this conversation.
I have no great illusions that the game is going to change and have adjusted my thinking accordingly over the years. Ultimately the dream is that instead of it being so many different groups, that the game can evolve to where the fight is king whether it be in pursuit of taking a base, tank fighting or air combat.
I guess I just don't look at the MAs as committed fights, maybe I went through the annoyance at people not sticking to fight relatively quickly a couple years ago in WBs or something. When I'm in the MA, I look at it as I've got to take anything I can get from them, they aren't going to give me an opportunity to kill them, like one would in a committed fight.
Wiley.
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And that's the stupidly repetitive answer from someone comfortable in the horde.
No one is asking for the perfect 1 v 1. Combat against multiple enemies is good fun. Wading into a 4 v 4 or even an 8 v 4 can be fun. Running into a never ending 8 v 1 gets old.
A dogfight in my mind is a swirling mass of planes, and the best dogfights happen when those numbers are roughly equal.
It has nothing to do with a co alt, 1 v 1 fight, which is why the same idiotic 'go to the DA' response gets really old.
No. Your over thinking the problem . If you want a swirling mass of planes roughly equal , that requires 2 hordes meeting , so go fly with hordes . If you take the time to study your map you won't ever get into an 8v1 unless you choose to . If neither of these is what you want...go to the DA . Outside of this just quit . The game has ALWAYS been this way and it always will . Adapt or move on . But from your response I gather you don't realize the fun of doing your best in a fight you cannot possibly win . Challenges aren't for everyone .
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No. Your over thinking the problem . If you want a swirling mass of planes roughly equal , that requires 2 hordes meeting , so go fly with hordes . If you take the time to study your map you won't ever get into an 8v1 unless you choose to . If neither of these is what you want...go to the DA . Outside of this just quit . The game has ALWAYS been this way and it always will . Adapt or move on . But from your response I gather you don't realize the fun of doing your best in a fight you cannot possibly win . Challenges aren't for everyone .
You've been here for how long? "Game has always been this way" comment is based on how much time?
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You've been here for how long? "Game has always been this way" comment is based on how much time?
:ahand
His CPID says it all Dan. :lol
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You've been here for how long? "Game has always been this way" comment is based on how much time?
:rofl :rofl
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I've gotta say, I've played for nearly 6 years, and I really don't remember all the hording. Perhaps time has blured the details, but it seems like a more recent phenomenon, like within the past 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 years.
That being said, I really don't see the point to winning the war, or even pushing very hard to take land. You can never 'win' the game, since there is no end goal to achieve, and the only reward you get for 'winnenz teh warz!' is about a couple of hours to a day's worth of perks, and a message saying 'you have won the war'.
But oh the cost! How many innocent fights were slain in their mad attempts to conquor the arena :D?!
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Dynamic Zone / Field limits. Restrict horde activity and tend toward greater balance in local game play.
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Jeff,
i dont know when and where you seen me "hoarding". If i was in a large group, that was possibly a group vs group situation, in other words a furball. Furballing can be fun unless there are too many spineless runners involved. Stated earlyer, i couldnt kill a single spixteen in 2 weeks, so think about it. Hell, went crazy and upped an LGhey once, when got tired of runners: killed the whole jokers squad in 5 minutes.
btw i see your point, and tryed it many times. Still, the odds arent as good. A 10k Pony/190/lala/tiffie can still dive away and run to its ack/friends even if i come at 15k.
Anyway, yes, i expect a spitfire to give up his E against a 109 g-6 and have some fun rather than the endless climb away - ho back down process. I except a co-E jak not to turn tails from 4k out and run to 6 friendlies then suddenly find balls in a 7v1. Hell it wasnt that bad in the past, made many friends by fighting a good, including most of my former/current squaddies. Youre damn right, its not my game anymore.
<S>
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What would change that is to have the towns be %100 down. It takes that much more TIME to capture it, not people. Having to inspect each and every building in the town takes multiple pairs of eyes scouting. As it is now, the towns need to get hammers X amount and when the white flag goes up then the challenge is gone. Of course, the knee jerkers will say "that will bring even bigger hordes!!!" My reply is simple: how much bigger can the hordes get? 30v1 odds is no better than the 36v1 odds for the defenders. Adding in the the %100 will force some of the muscle of the horde to become scouts/eyes. Remove the white flag, up it to %95-%100 and find out.
Smokin'
I am no Snailman, but I would suggest that you look at the real numbers that we can draw conclusions from. I don't dismiss what you propose. I am merely pointing out the facts are not on your side.
1) The reason that the white flag and 50% town was brought into play was the stagnant maps that were never reset by players. That along with the numerous arrows pointing to the unintended consequences of redesign of damaged buildings (in contrast to undamaged buildings), about 50 more structures in town, and the addition of hills and hedges that impeded ground level verification on town status.
2) Take the data on bases captured under the pre - "new" town, compare it to the already tested 100 % no flagged "new" town. Hands down the base captures went FLAT! I remember the week the new towns, and vehicle bases came out. The capture crowd learned quickly. Their immediate answer was the NOE raid, or in other words HORDE. So, the cries :ahand started ".... why do you win the warz type ruin the game?" << NEVER AGREED WITH THIS
3) When HTC made a GOOD decision to make the traditional town capture easier 50% and with white flag, the maps were being reset again by players (even when we had split arenas). On top of the resets, the GAME PLAY was diverse. You had hordes from missions and defenders, but you also had multiple fights involving all 3 countries in just about every area of the map. But this was not good enough :cry :cry >>>> A small group could affect the outcome of the war <<<< The horror you say :headscratch:
4) Making things more stagnant again? Smokin' you have a long way to go to convince me this is what will help to keep subscriptions. What I do think would be both more challenging and fun, is more things to target that would affect base capibilities. We used to be able to pork fuel to 25%. Instead of country wide ENY, find a comprehensive way to affect ENY in areas saturated with friendlies already. Those sort of things that can give a player something to contribute to in offense or defense, besides being the 10th plane to cap a deacked airfield.
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What would change that is to have the towns be %100 down. It takes that much more TIME to capture it, not people.
More TIME = MORE EFFORT. More effort results in more people necessary to accomplish the same stuff in the same time. And this is required because you do not have more more time. A NOE will have to kill X buildings before the defenders show up in numbers. A "regular" base capture attempt (and that's what most battles are) is also facing the same 45 min building popup time frame as before. That's the reason why we don't have that many airfield captures by just one to three guys anymore.
So getting more people in your mission to get the job done is a natural result.
And this is exactly what happened. Today, capturing fields is more difficult than ever before, and the number of captures has dropped radically.
Now this mustn't be a bad thing in itself - Longer, harder fought battles sounds quite appealing to me personally - but there is a limit (albeit a very vague) what the gameplay can endure. If you make base captures so difficult that players do hardly see a chance to see them happen, the general frustration level rises. No matter what our individual motivations in AH are, and what stance each of us has on the landgrab game - base captures are the main driving force behind MA combat, and capturing territory by grabbing bases is the only defined "strategic", teambuilding goal we currently have in AH. You can only go so far in increasing capture difficulty before tipping the balance and break this gameplay feature.
And so the town requirement was brought back from 100% to the current level and the white flag was added. It's still more difficult than before the town and arena changes (in the context of LWMA), but not as crippling for game dynamics as the "everything down" requirement.
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all this talk is nice but did HTC ever give the impression that they actually cared?
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You've been here for how long? "Game has always been this way" comment is based on how much time?
Outside a few gaps here and there , since '05 .
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You never catch the dragon.
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I see enemy horde as an indicator that they are vulnerable elsewhere.
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I see enemy horde as an indicator that they are vulnerable elsewhere.
oooohhhhhh..... this one is bright! Confucius say you have hands in pockets and feel dingy! :aok
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No. Your over thinking the problem . If you want a swirling mass of planes roughly equal , that requires 2 hordes meeting , so go fly with hordes . If you take the time to study your map you won't ever get into an 8v1 unless you choose to . If neither of these is what you want...go to the DA . Outside of this just quit . The game has ALWAYS been this way and it always will . Adapt or move on . But from your response I gather you don't realize the fun of doing your best in a fight you cannot possibly win . Challenges aren't for everyone .
The only fights....if thats what you want to call them... ARE 8-1. Anything else you spot on the map is called "buff chasing" which while it can be a challenge, get boring after you shoot down a dozen or so. The issue is there are VERY few small fights any more. A squad of 6 or 8 attack a base? LOL!!! not these days!
I've gotta say, I've played for nearly 6 years, and I really don't remember all the hording. Perhaps time has blured the details, but it seems like a more recent phenomenon, like within the past 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 years.
That being said, I really don't see the point to winning the war, or even pushing very hard to take land. You can never 'win' the game, since there is no end goal to achieve, and the only reward you get for 'winnenz teh warz!' is about a couple of hours to a day's worth of perks, and a message saying 'you have won the war'.
But oh the cost! How many innocent fights were slain in their mad attempts to conquor the arena :D?!
There has ALWAYS been hordes. Remember the BOPs? the LCA, and a few others. The difference is today it's the norm, back then it was an annoyance that popped up on Sunday night.
Smokin'
I am no Snailman, but I would suggest that you look at the real numbers that we can draw conclusions from. I don't dismiss what you propose. I am merely pointing out the facts are not on your side.
1) The reason that the white flag and 50% town was brought into play was the stagnant maps that were never reset by players. That along with the numerous arrows pointing to the unintended consequences of redesign of damaged buildings (in contrast to undamaged buildings), about 50 more structures in town, and the addition of hills and hedges that impeded ground level verification on town status.
2) Take the data on bases captured under the pre - "new" town, compare it to the already tested 100 % no flagged "new" town. Hands down the base captures went FLAT! I remember the week the new towns, and vehicle bases came out. The capture crowd learned quickly. Their immediate answer was the NOE raid, or in other words HORDE. So, the cries :ahand started ".... why do you win the warz type ruin the game?" << NEVER AGREED WITH THIS
3) When HTC made a GOOD decision to make the traditional town capture easier 50% and with white flag, the maps were being reset again by players (even when we had split arenas). On top of the resets, the GAME PLAY was diverse. You had hordes from missions and defenders, but you also had multiple fights involving all 3 countries in just about every area of the map. But this was not good enough :cry :cry >>>> A small group could affect the outcome of the war <<<< The horror you say :headscratch:
4) Making things more stagnant again? Smokin' you have a long way to go to convince me this is what will help to keep subscriptions. What I do think would be both more challenging and fun, is more things to target that would affect base capibilities. We used to be able to pork fuel to 25%. Instead of country wide ENY, find a comprehensive way to affect ENY in areas saturated with friendlies already. Those sort of things that can give a player something to contribute to in offense or defense, besides being the 10th plane to cap a deacked airfield.
The reason I believe HTC reduced the town flag to 50% is because the average player today is to stupid to use tactics to attack a base and so uses a horde. I think they hoped smaller hordes would be used, instead we got a faster moving horde. With the hordes that run today they could hit 3 bases at once, and most likely capture 2 or the 3 with the same number of people they have. The reason they don't is because it takes planning, and timing. People are in too much of a hurry to capture the next base to slow down and THINK of how to work on 3 at once. They have found a quick easy way to crush a base and capture it, why change now?
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just a thought---if the bish are hording a map then the rooks and knights should work togeather to break it up.not to take a base mind you just to break up the hord.then go back to normal--it's usually the v-tard's that start the hord..but if any one country ups a hord then the other 2 country's should break it up and eventually maybe the hords will stop.but if a hord is considered 20 people,what do you do if a squad has 20 people in and they r all there----actually i don't think there is anything that can be done about it----another thought just came to mind as i am typing this--this game is based pretty much based on ww2 ideas--now bomber groups bombing citys and bases in ww2 would they be considered hords
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go to midwar arena if u want one on one :noid :bolt:
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-actually i don't think there is anything that can be done about it----another thought just came to mind as i am typing this--this game is based pretty much based on ww2 ideas--now bomber groups bombing citys and bases in ww2 would they be considered hords
Maybe "hords" would be tolerated more if they were actually forming regular level bombing raids with proper escorts attacking strategic targets deep in enemy territory instead of just flattening front line bases and often killing the fight in the process? :headscratch:
But then I do remember exactly this happening and still seeing a lot of complaints about those "horders" and "scoremonkeys" (oh, the irony!), instead of being glad they did offer a battle and something different from the old smash'n'grab routine... :(
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i agree,your right,thats it 100% if only---that's the way it used to be---the good ole days
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just a thought---if the bish are hording a map then the rooks and knights should work togeather to break it up.not to take a base mind you just to break up the hord.then go back to normal--it's usually the v-tard's that start the hord..but if any one country ups a hord then the other 2 country's should break it up and eventually maybe the hords will stop.but if a hord is considered 20 people,what do you do if a squad has 20 people in and they r all there----actually i don't think there is anything that can be done about it----another thought just came to mind as i am typing this--this game is based pretty much based on ww2 ideas--now bomber groups bombing citys and bases in ww2 would they be considered hords
20 people working as a group is a bad thing? This is a WW2 Simulation and WW2 had large numbers of everything, everywhere. My suggestion is to figure out some tactics to deal with your so called hordez, get back in the game and have fun.
I think 1 aspect of 'too many' people working together is no fun and overlooked. It also helps limit the duration and size of said hordez.
If you're in a group that keeps outnumbering and devastating the enemy wherever it goes it gets boring. It's not much fun to load up a plane with bombs, fly to your destination and have nothing to shoot at or drop bombs on.
I'd also like to point out that you rarely see air combat groups like the Jokers, Kommando Nowotny, Loco Busters etc.. complaining about too many people to shoot at. They just work a target rich environment into their tactics.
It's also a lot easier to defend a base than capture one so I say if people must complain, complain about the people who just roll over for anything they feel they can't stop because "there's no point in even trying."
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You never catch the dragon.
:lol :aok
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Just wanted to restate, this wasn't exactly a squeak about the horde... It was more stating my shock and disbelief at the attitudes and statements of those within the horde.
You're never gonna get rid of hand holders... but the way they stated their goals, it was not to win the war, it was to 'make people quit the game'. That in my opinion is borderline harassment, and I think HTC should have a chat with the guys who were spewing that garbage on channel.
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I was playing against the Nits last night in the NE corner of the map. There were some decent fights going on up there; fighter vs fighter, fighter vs buff, CV vs CV... pretty much anything you wanted. Three bases were being contested at the same time with 4-5 bases involved so it was pretty spread out. Sometimes one side outnumbered the other but it flip flopped.
Guess you were just playing on the wrong side of the map.
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20 people working as a group is a bad thing? This is a WW2 Simulation and WW2 had large numbers of everything, everywhere. My suggestion is to figure out some tactics to deal with your so called hordez, get back in the game and have fun.
I think 1 aspect of 'too many' people working together is no fun and overlooked. It also helps limit the duration and size of said hordez.
If you're in a group that keeps outnumbering and devastating the enemy wherever it goes it gets boring. It's not much fun to load up a plane with bombs, fly to your destination and have nothing to shoot at or drop bombs on.
I'd also like to point out that you rarely see air combat groups like the Jokers, Kommando Nowotny, Loco Busters etc.. complaining about too many people to shoot at. They just work a target rich environment into their tactics.
It's also a lot easier to defend a base than capture one so I say if people must complain, complain about the people who just roll over for anything they feel they can't stop because "there's no point in even trying."
man a horde can flatten and take a v-base or a airbase in 5 minutes-how do u defend against that--i've seen it plenty of times it's not easy to defend a base against a horde of 20 or more planes
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One of the reasons I believe HTC reduced the town flag to 50% is because the average player today is too impatient to use precision tactics to attack a base and so they join a larger group. I think they (HTC) hoped smaller groups would be used, instead we got a faster moving larger group. With the groups that run today, they could hit 3 bases at once, and most likely capture 2 or the 3 with the same number of people they have. The reason they don't is because it takes (patience) planning, and timing.
(Fugi, I made some PC changes so I could agree with your post ;) )
People are in too much of a hurry to capture the next base to slow down and THINK of how to work on 3 at once. They have found a quick easy way to crush a base and capture it.
Why change now?
Where did the term "game changer" originate? In any case it should be applicable here. Large organised groups of players working together is a "game changer" if nothing else fits the term. The only proven effective "game changer" that empowered the smaller groups has been the lower town %.
Yet HTC could lead a horse to water, but they can't make it think. "Why", because when we had 50% towns white flagged, a loud whine encouraged HTC to increase difficulty in acquiring a capture, overwhelmingly favoring the large, crushing groups. If they hadn't, smaller precision teams could have spread their resources far and wide and captured the territories left undermanned by the swarm. Effectively the precision teams COULD roll more bases in the same amount of time = end of story.
The reason this is not applicable now, as many seem to believe, is simple. The success rate of small groups in base capture is extremely low due to time constraints and resources needed. So, add to the frustration of losing a base to a huge "crushing" force, 3 out of every 4 small missions that you are lucky enough to assemble are ground to a hault. So, effectively the large crushing force is still is ahead capturing 4 bases to your 2 or 3. Which speaks to the OP's objection to the "crushing" mindset of the players, who depend on their tactics demoralizing any defense.
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Outside a few gaps here and there , since '05 .
So what you meant was, since you've been playing it's always been this way.
I've got some years on ya, and I would disagree with you on that.
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Now that you mention it Fugative, I do vaugly remember the Sunday night seal clubbing.
SmokinLoon, while I think bigger, longer-lasting fights are a good thing, I don't think bigger, longer-lasting fights are a good thing when 1 side has 90% of the increased numbers, and it only lasts longer because the higher-skilled defenders kill the troops.
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Radar and Sector Counters provide adequate warning against said hordes
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Radar and Sector Counters provide adequate warning against said hordes
says a horde'er extraordinaire. ;)
From the time an attacking dar-bar appears a sector or two away to the time a few defenders appear over the field is hardly worth mentioning. Also, if there are 20+ heavy P51D's inbound it doesnt matter how many or how high the defenders get. There are enough P51D's that even if 1 or 2 get intercepted by the brave enough 109x, the hangers still get destroyed, the ack still gets wiped out, and the town still gets flattened. Once everything is down the few brave souls that upped simply get picked and sent back to tower. I know it isnt any fun for the defenders, and I cant for the life of me figure out how being a part of the 20v1 horde is any fun either. It is like being a bench warmer on a winning team, i.e.: they still get the "winz" behind their name. Oh well....
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It is like being a bench warmer on a winning team, i.e.: they still get the "winz" behind their name. Oh well....
:aok
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Radar and Sector Counters provide adequate warning against said hordes
But isnt in the Vmanual that if the fight is over here>>>>>, you guys horde over there<<<<.
playing to soley piss off other players I thought goes against Pyro's rule of "dont be a dick"
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It does, which is why I'm astonished the v-dweebs haven't all recieved permentant bans :ahand.
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Part of the problem is ENY isn't strong enough. For example, last night the rooks had 50% more players than either the knits or the bish.What happened was, everyone who was rook went to the nearest dar bar, even if it was mainly green. This had a dog pile effect on the hording, because not only did they have more players, all the players were concentrated where other players from the same team were.
This behavior is not surprising as people want to be where others are, but it does show that ENY is not effective enough as a counter balance to greater country numbers.
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So what you meant was, since you've been playing it's always been this way.
I've got some years on ya, and I would disagree with you on that.
Just do a search in general forums...one word..... horde , you'll see I'm right . This is one of the oldest dead horses in the forums.
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says a horde'er extraordinaire. ;)
I'm flattered but I prefer working with around a dozen or so at most.
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Just do a search in general forums...one word..... horde , you'll see I'm right . This is one of the oldest dead horses in the forums.
Again... this wasn't a complaint about hording in general. Please read the original posting. This was a complaint about the motivation behind those doing the hording.
I love a target rich environment. I don't enjoy people who's motivation is to make the game unplayable for others. The point of playing online is playing with others... something some people obviously never learned how to do.
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The point of playing online is playing with others... something some people obviously never learned how to do.
the only reason I ever liked recess :D
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With the amount of people in vtard raids they should be able to stomp 6 bases at a time...but yet they will just use the mass hoard to take 1 base
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With the amount of people in vtard raids they should be able to stomp 6 bases at a time...but yet they will just use the mass hoard to attempt to take 1 base
Errors corrected
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Just do a search in general forums...one word..... horde , you'll see I'm right . This is one of the oldest dead horses in the forums.
Don't need to do a search. Having been here quite a bit longer then you. The definition of a horde has changed considerably. Most of us who've been around a while would gladly go back to what was seen as a 'horde' in the early days. There is no comparison to the 'horde' of today.
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Lucky me I have a good book to read when the bishops are doing their typical 37x P51D Raid to shut down every hanger before anyone has time to up.
Yes I had to start a film just to record the number.
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make bases easier to take (5-10% buildings down, remove the ack), make map reset happen every 8 hours if it hasn't been "won".. the hordes will fizzle once they realize there is no actual war. :uhoh
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Many people have said it before me, but I also fail to understand how anyone can find fun flying in the middle of the horde - I'm sorry, but if you find "fun" in that, you must be the most boring, unambitious person on the planet. - In the end its their 15 bucks and I guess they can do whatever they want with it....I will just never understand that mentality.
For me, flying in MISSIONS is a TEAM effort, there is comaradarie in the chatter, and cooperation is aimed at the success of the GROUP not just the egotistical individual ... Cooperative effort is a natural human activity and those who cannot comprehend it suffer from some form of developmental neurosis. The Missions I have flown with in my short time here have been fairly stiffly opposed and have challenged my skills and educated my ignorance. It's a competitive game and attracts competitive personalitys, that's a given and it's healthy ... Opposing things others enjoy simply for personal reasons is just anti-social and a symptom of deeper problems. :uhoh
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Don't need to do a search. Having been here quite a bit longer then you. The definition of a horde has changed considerably. Most of us who've been around a while would gladly go back to what was seen as a 'horde' in the early days. There is no comparison to the 'horde' of today.
The horde has not changed IMO. It is the gathering of players to a freindly dar bar. It goes right back to AW4W where "swarms" would focus on the central lake or an area later christened as (by cz) as Disney land. With AW2 came map wide land grab, quickly followed and sustained in AW3.
What the horde does has not changed. It roll's maps. It land grabs. It may or may not have a mission bias at its core. It is only effective and sustaining whilst it is able to sustain/maintain inertia or when it has central figure to focus upon.
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The horde has not changed IMO. It is the gathering of players to a freindly dar bar. It goes right back to AW4W where "swarms" would focus on the central lake or an area later christened as (by cz) as Disney land. With AW2 came map wide land grab, quickly followed and sustained in AW3.
What the horde does has not changed. It roll's maps. It land grabs. It may or may not have a mission bias at its core. It is only effective and sustaining whilst it is able to sustain/maintain inertia or when it has central figure to focus upon.
Actually there's a far cry difference between the hording from a few years ago and today. Typically its two countries against one to be a horde, while two countries have limited contact. While this is still most common today, we now deal with this (sorry there were quite a few more planes just out of view ->
(http://www.367thdynamitegang.com/upload/horde.jpg)
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For me, flying in MISSIONS is a TEAM effort, there is comaradarie in the chatter, and cooperation is aimed at the success of the GROUP not just the egotistical individual ... Cooperative effort is a natural human activity and those who cannot comprehend it suffer from some form of developmental neurosis. The Missions I have flown with in my short time here have been fairly stiffly opposed and have challenged my skills and educated my ignorance. It's a competitive game and attracts competitive personalitys, that's a given and it's healthy ... Opposing things others enjoy simply for personal reasons is just anti-social and a symptom of deeper problems. :uhoh
Missions are great and lots of fun cover all that you have said. On the other hand having an over whelming force in a game is what we are talking about. Your new and at this point you have little chance of having any "personal" accomplishments. You need and enjoy the "group" accomplishments. Thats fine, but eventually you will find that you can achieve your own and will look to challenge yourself to get them. Don't talk down to the "egotistical individual", you will soon be one.
The horde has not changed IMO. It is the gathering of players to a freindly dar bar. It goes right back to AW4W where "swarms" would focus on the central lake or an area later christened as (by cz) as Disney land. With AW2 came map wide land grab, quickly followed and sustained in AW3.
What the horde does has not changed. It roll's maps. It land grabs. It may or may not have a mission bias at its core. It is only effective and sustaining whilst it is able to sustain/maintain inertia or when it has central figure to focus upon.
The 444th Air Mafia was well known as one of those base grabbing squad back then and later as they got better here on Aces High. The difference being that we hit a number of bases at once when we had numbers. We not only wanted the bases, we wanted to fight for them. Even when Tzr lead joint ops with a number of squads on the trinity map the force was split between a number of bases at once. Today the horde is a group that is nothing more than a flight of locast destroying everything in their path. They don't defend the bases they grab because they can't up from them as nothing is left.
Actually there's a far cry difference between the hording from a few years ago and today. Typically its two countries against one to be a horde, while two countries have limited contact. While this is still most common today, we now deal with this (sorry there were quite a few more planes just out of view ->
(http://www.367thdynamitegang.com/upload/horde.jpg)
I would love for HTC to comment on this type of mission. How can you defend against this? Short of having 20 guys sitting in the tower waiting for a reported inbound mission, how can you fight against something like this?
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For me, flying in MISSIONS is a TEAM effort, there is comaradarie in the chatter, and cooperation is aimed at the success of the GROUP not just the egotistical individual ... Cooperative effort is a natural human activity and those who cannot comprehend it suffer from some form of developmental neurosis. The Missions I have flown with in my short time here have been fairly stiffly opposed and have challenged my skills and educated my ignorance. It's a competitive game and attracts competitive personalitys, that's a given and it's healthy ... Opposing things others enjoy simply for personal reasons is just anti-social and a symptom of deeper problems. :uhoh
Actually, it's much simpler than that. Those that like flying in hordes, or as you say, team efforts, just simply can't kill or stay alive on their own, and their only way to achieve any success is to group up and mob inanimate objects. Don't dress it up for anything more than it is.
Personally I don't really care about it anymore, this thing has been argued about ad nauseum over the years. If I see a big horde, I'm gonna grab a temp or a jet and go to work on you nancy's.
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Butchers pic is a perfect exmple of what i said.
Pony mission, high, big numbers. How can you defend against it?
1: up a couple 109Ks, lalas or some fast birds. Its a fail, they will BnZ you like crazy or escape to friends/home when you get position on them
2: set up a counter-fighter sweep and come with alt. Its usually a fail (takes too long time, they can still run hom), but at least it has a very minor chance of success.
3: 262. This wont solve anything. Takes a little time to get there, 262s are very easy to dodge when the cons arent on the deck, also all of them will try to ho you... not much fun trying to avoid 15-30 ho attempts in 10 seconds..
Now what?
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At least in Butcher's pic, other than the N1K, it looks like they put together something resembling historical accuracy so kudos to that point. They may however, have flown that group into an opposing horde rather than (presumably) to an undefended field.
I've mentioned it before but one night I organized a fighter sweep with around 30 Spit IX's and flew to a base that was being horded. The next thing I knew we were the horde. Another mission I ran was with 9 Ju-87's and 10-12 Bf109E-4's and Bf109F-4's, technically, I guess, a horde. I like occasionally running those types of historically accurate missions and I'm sorry but other than scenarios the only place to do it is the MA.
That said those were two missions in about a years time. Other than that I fly alone so generally disfavor the horde but when I run into one that looks like it was put together with some sense of immersion for the participants it doesn't bother me as much. It also allows me a better chance to attack than the mixed sets which take away all your planes advantages. I particularly hate fast planes and turny planes in the same group.
So anyway what I'm trying to say is that both the composition and the mission of the horde make a difference as to whether it's a detrimental horde or just people having fun.
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At least in Butcher's pic, other than the N1K, it looks like they put together something resemling historical accuracy so kudos to that point. They may however, have flown that group into an opposing horde rather than (presumably) to an undefended field.
I've mentioned it before but one night I organized a fighter sweep with around 30 Spit IX's and flew to a base that was being horded. The next thing I knew we were the horde. Another mission I ran was with 9 Ju-87's and 10-12 Bf109E-4's and Bf109F-4's, technically, I guess, a horde. I like occasionally running those types of historically accurate missions and I'm sorry but other than scenarios the only place to do it is the MA.
That said those were two missions in about a years time. Other than that I fly alone so generally disfavor the horde but when I run into one that looks like it was put together with some sense of immersion for the participants it doesn't bother me as much. It also allows me a better chance to attack than the mixed sets which take away all your planes advantages. I particularly hate fast planes and turny planes in the same group.
Here's the difference, with your "horde" did the 109's fly off and leave the ju's to their own devices? Did the JUs auger at the first sign of opposition? You also didn't have enough ord to completely shut down the base and white flag the town.
The pony mission is a horde, and while it "looks" like that had a "historically correct" mission group history had nothing to do with the selection of plane. The planes were selected because they care a lot of ord, and when diving from alt are about the fastest thing in the air and so they can run away from the fight.... unless enough people hit what they are aiming at then they come back to cap.....which means they run away from the defenders that show up so the goons can get in while the defenders are chasing ponies.
In that picture there is enough ords to take down ALL hangers on a large field. This means fighter, bomber, AND vehicle hangers.
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The last mission I was in, 10 or 15 of us took B5Ns armed with torpedos to shut down a VBase. :rock
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How can you defend against this? Short of having 20 guys sitting in the tower waiting for a reported inbound mission, how can you fight against something like this?
they can be defended it just take guys that don't care about dying to up continually( as long as hangers are up) it can be done, with the skill level of the attacking horde most will auger trying to kill you as you up and in time the odds will change and they scamper off, granted it is and does get old doing this against the horde all the time.
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At least in Butcher's pic, other than the N1K, it looks like they put together something resembling historical accuracy so kudos to that point. They may however, have flown that group into an opposing horde rather than (presumably) to an undefended field.
There was only 2 defenders at this base, actually only one person upped in a plane, I got out in a wirbl seconds before the VH went down.
Overall I counted 37 mustangs, 2 N1ks, 1 C47s, 2 sets of Lancasters, 2 Me109s and a 262.
Explain where this is anything remotely historical? This is a video game and clearly the mentality is to simply overwhelm the defenders so bad to the point nobody can defend period.
Frankly I don't care, let em pay $15 to attack undefended bases all day, eventually people will realize kamikazing into hangers isn't all that fun and actually want to learn to tank/dogfight.
Who am I kiddin, horde away.
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Today the horde is a group that is nothing more than a flight of locast destroying everything in their path.
locusts?
............... and has always been thus. It is a human swarm gathering thru similar instincts......... safety in numbers, success thru association, only requiring the individual to simply join the greater throng and add to its number yet revel in the success of the greater team.
Because horde members do congratulate each other on their successes. You can all comment upon how as individuals you are able to exercise your skills individually yet the AH horde still gives its members congratulatory feedback on the success of the greater group when a base is captured.
Whine all we like a significant proportion of the AH playing community likes to be part of a horde i.e a group of significant enough size that permits them to "win" and that tendancy has always been thus because that tendancy is alive and well within the human psyche
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locusts?
............... and has always been thus. It is a human swarm gathering thru similar instincts......... safety in numbers, success thru association, only requiring the individual to simply join the greater throng and add to its number yet revel in the success of the greater team.
Because horde members do congratulate each other on their successes. You can all comment upon how as individuals you are able to exercise your skills individually yet the AH horde still gives its members congratulatory feedback on the success of the greater group when a base is captured.
Whine all we like a significant proportion of the AH playing community likes to be part of a horde i.e a group of significant enough size that permits them to "win" and that tendancy has always been thus because that tendancy is alive and well within the human psyche
There is only one person who spells worst than I, and I think that is why we rarely hear from Hitech :devil
I don't remember the bases as flatten in the old days. I do remember the "leaders" yelling not to hit ord or troops after the FH were down because they intended to use the base after the capture. I do remember the leaders assigning a few pilots to run supplies to the bases to get them back up as fast as possible. Not today.
Personally, If I'm in a mission and don't hit what I was told to bomb, I don't shot anyone down, get shot down, or worst yet aurger in. It doesn't matter to me how the rest of the group did. I didn't help at all. Are todays players so blinded that they are OK with taking those slaps on the back for doing nothing?
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Yes, they are. As long as people think they did good, it doesn't matter to them if really they're incompetent.
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I remember Dredger missions from years back when the horde's struck fast and there wasn't enough time to complain about the horde. Maybe therein lies the difference that we take longer to pwn a base due to the changes at the town. I don't think that there is more hording abound, but that the horde's now last longer thus giving more time to complain. IMHO
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There was only 2 defenders at this base, actually only one person upped in a plane, I got out in a wirbl seconds before the VH went down.
Overall I counted 37 mustangs, 2 N1ks, 1 C47s, 2 sets of Lancasters, 2 Me109s and a 262.
Explain where this is anything remotely historical? This is a video game and clearly the mentality is to simply overwhelm the defenders so bad to the point nobody can defend period.
Frankly I don't care, let em pay $15 to attack undefended bases all day, eventually people will realize kamikazing into hangers isn't all that fun and actually want to learn to tank/dogfight.
Who am I kiddin, horde away.
I'm sorry but your picture ONLY shows Mustangs with ONE N1K nor did you explain the circumstances.
You posted a picture like "oohh, look at all the mustangs... it must be a horde". Frankly it could have been anything. If you're trying to make a point make it. In this case clearly a picture wasn't worth 1000 words.
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I'm not trying to be a smart alec but why do we only have complaints about strike fighter hordes and not hordes of bombers/escorts?
The infamous Ghi posted a massive mission once to intercept a huge mission of B-29s back when they were pretty new. We took Jug-Ms and Ta 152s up to 40k to intercept and it took forever. Once the superfortresses were near us we dove in to intercept. We shot up a couple of them but nearly everyone compressed in their dives regardless of how shallow. I don't remember any complaining on either side even though they made our strats and HQ their squeakes.
I also think it's poor sportsmanship to gain satisfaction purely from the lack of fun that the enemy must be having. What I want most is a challenge, what I want 2nd most is to accomplish my objective. What I want 3rd most is no annoying squeakers in my missions (I'm not calling all squeakers annoying).
At the end of the day we're all in the same community and we should act like it when we play. I'm starting to get back into the just for fun type missions where we bring in as many lancs as possible noe with no escort and hit a field as hard as we can. I want to bring back the old big D3A1 raids too because it's fun getting 20 assists and out turning anything they fight back with. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eBpC3JMcGo
Good luck to everyone who plays nice.
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I put up a JU87 mission a few weeks back, had about 18 takers w/ no escorts. We flattened the base and a good part of town before we were decimated. You should have seen all the M3's rolling hoping for an easy base take thinking we were the standard horde mission.
Next time I'll try and Deack with the 87 guys! :)
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Butchers pic is a perfect exmple of what i said.
Pony mission, high, big numbers. How can you defend against it?
1: up a couple 109Ks, lalas or some fast birds. Its a fail, they will BnZ you like crazy or escape to friends/home when you get position on them
2: set up a counter-fighter sweep and come with alt. Its usually a fail (takes too long time, they can still run hom), but at least it has a very minor chance of success.
3: 262. This wont solve anything. Takes a little time to get there, 262s are very easy to dodge when the cons arent on the deck, also all of them will try to ho you... not much fun trying to avoid 15-30 ho attempts in 10 seconds..
Now what?
get above them in a top ride and work your way down, only way to really fight the hoards with any bit of success.
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Those that like flying in hordes, or as you say, team efforts, just simply can't kill or stay alive on their own, and their only way to achieve any success is to group up and mob inanimate objects.
If I see a big horde, I'm gonna grab a temp or a jet and go to work on you nancy's.
I think we agree ... I just find it to be justifiable, educational, and enjoyable behavior. Those who prey upon the horde keep participation in it interesting and add to the less capable pilots learning process. I should also note that there is usually a core of some pretty good pilots leading these missions ... And they DO occassionally knock down some pretty skilled preadators ... Now and then a gigantic furball evolves and attracts LOTS of participation that can go on for quite some time ... People are playing the game and having fun ... isn't that WHY we are here? Personally, I have learned how to deal with 262s and I note they REALLY tend to avoid any HO or Possible Passing Shots ... Know what I mean? And -OH-SO-COOL to watch those perk points spiralling in !
The elitists who find the GROUPS -UNDESIRABLE- are just punching their own tickets and want the game structured to suit their own agenda. SOME of them do propose interesting alternatives, and that's just one more POSITIVE thing the HORDE accomplishs. :salute
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The best thing HTC could do is figure out how to encourage game play without promoting 30v1 odds. There are 100's of ideas out there and I'm sure HTC knows of most of them.
The horde is a product of wanting to be a "winnah", regardless of an individual's actual contribution. The bad thing is that the entire Aces High system is designed around attacking or defending and actual airfield. There is no neutral ground to battle over. There are no towns (think Bastogne), strategic plateaus (think Kursk), or island (think Guadalcanal), to do battle over, around, or on. Everything centers around a base. So when the horde arrives at a field, there is no battle because there is no chance to defend it. The importance is to take that field. Just how often did the battles happen directly over an enemy base? More often than not it was an engagement.
The horde is quickly becoming a huge downer to a lot of people, me included. It is worse now than it has ever been, and I've been playing since Jan of '08. I remember lots of smaller capture missions in to a town with 8-12 attacking aircraft, that wasnt too hard to defend. First, the field was not leveled. Secondly, the odds didnt seem to be 20+v1.
IMO, HTC needs to rethink a lot of things. Hardness of OBJ (concrete ord bunker and playwood barracks are the same? Huge bomber hangers are the same as small motor pools?), ENY values of aircraft, perhaps tweeking the town setting (remove the flag!!!), burn rates, HE damage from tanks, high speed heavy bombers (need a max speed for level bombing), etc etc.
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perhaps tweeking the town setting (remove the flag!!!)
Which, for reasons I have explained earlier, has exactly the opposite effect you are apparently looking for. ;)
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I'm sorry but your picture ONLY shows Mustangs with ONE N1K nor did you explain the circumstances.
You posted a picture like "oohh, look at all the mustangs... it must be a horde". Frankly it could have been anything. If you're trying to make a point make it. In this case clearly a picture wasn't worth 1000 words.
This one if from a while ago. Not 51s, but it prompted a Spit VIII for me as getting up in a 38 was going to be impossible. Note the tracers going past me too. I think there were 2-3 of us to oppose this :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Horde1-1.jpg)
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This one if from a while ago. Not 51s, but it prompted a Spit VIII for me as getting up in a 38 was going to be impossible. Note the tracers going past me too. I think there were 2-3 of us to oppose this
Spitdweeb.
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Spitdweeb.
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Spit Vb dweeb right now thank you! :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Snap6-18.jpg)
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Many dynamics play into what others percieve to be a horde. Question is..Would you really want to control it and would the solution just bring up another set of problems?
I have no issues with guys that want to post missions and get something going, Although one or two a night can be fun, after a while even that gets repetetive. Going against to intercept missions were fun too (Thanks Thundregg and 91st for those memories).
What I see is the big problem is that most of the mission planning mentality is that a majority of players decide to stick to a certain portion of a map for a long period of time. Mission planners then see this as a way to exploit other portions of the map that are less defended. The long debate of the NOE smash grab from what I see is gone (thank god), but what your seeing is that most of the armchair Napoleons now know where and when to exploit, knowing that a good percentage of players already involved in their portion of the map, are NOT going to bail out and help defend knowing it will probably be too late if they do.
What I think is hysterical are the small percentage of mission godesses that plan these gaggles and hang behind or deep inside the #s using the new players as bait or hangar warriors for their own amusement.
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I'm not trying to be a smart alec but why do we only have complaints about strike fighter hordes and not hordes of bombers/escorts?
The infamous Ghi posted a massive mission once to intercept a huge mission of B-29s back when they were pretty new. We took Jug-Ms and Ta 152s up to 40k to intercept and it took forever. Once the superfortresses were near us we dove in to intercept. We shot up a couple of them but nearly everyone compressed in their dives regardless of how shallow. I don't remember any complaining on either side even though they made our strats and HQ their squeakes.
I also think it's poor sportsmanship to gain satisfaction purely from the lack of fun that the enemy must be having. What I want most is a challenge, what I want 2nd most is to accomplish my objective. What I want 3rd most is no annoying squeakers in my missions (I'm not calling all squeakers annoying).
At the end of the day we're all in the same community and we should act like it when we play. I'm starting to get back into the just for fun type missions where we bring in as many lancs as possible noe with no escort and hit a field as hard as we can. I want to bring back the old big D3A1 raids too because it's fun getting 20 assists and out turning anything they fight back with. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eBpC3JMcGo
Good luck to everyone who plays nice.
That is a completely different scenario. That would be an engagement, not a horde in which can not be defended. The B29's have a chance to defend, when there are 30v1 odds over a field... there is no chance to defend.
I think it is a bit ironic, dont you think, your last paragraph? Living the by the Golden Rule isn't something that should just be spoken about, it should be acted upon.
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The horde:
Who cares? Seriously???? The horde complainers fly like you can cash your points in....fellas....lol...kill them. It's that simple. Two things will happen when you up against the horde...you will get better with your SA and you will get better at your angles fights.
This is not the American Express Rewards Program! You don't get TVs and fabulous vacations with your score points!!! :bhead
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you will get better with your SA and you will get better at your angles fights.
This is not the American Express Rewards Program! You don't get TVs and fabulous vacations with your score points!!! :bhead
QFT. Some like to go a bit further with the challenge of landing every sortie
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And some like to see the other guys fight back. Clubbing baby seals in a horde isn't a fight, and get boring pretty quick.
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Make it easier for small groups to shut down a big horde push so there is a reason for the horde to keep some people in the back. Like lowering the amount of barracks on the field. Or removing M3s so you need to capture a field with air.
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Make it easier for small groups to shut down a big horde push so there is a reason for the horde to keep some people in the back. Like lowering the amount of barracks on the field. Or removing M3s so you need to capture a field with air.
It's already easier, any horde will be flying with bombs. Porking barracks isn't very difficult and neither is porking ords. Most players will lose interest before they run a resupply truck and light fighters always have an advantage over heavy ones.
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It's already easier, any horde will be flying with bombs. Porking barracks isn't very difficult and neither is porking ords. Most players will lose interest before they run a resupply truck and light fighters always have an advantage over heavy ones.
Except entire countries don't spend hours porking bases, in which you vtards only need 1 base to up 50 from and overwhelm a base regardless.
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What I find ironic about all this hoarde talk is that alot of you have joined these mega squads which are hoardes onto themselves. How in the world can some of you complain about hoardes when you're a member of one?! :headscratch:
Do you really want to get rid of hoardes? Start by limiting squads to 10 members and do away with all this multi wing crap.
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Oh...one last thing...being a veteran myself, this isn't a war game either because there is no war to win.
Its is a WWII flight sim with environments designed to facilitate the engagement of aircraft and ground equipment to allow that environment to survive longer to perpetuate that engagement for as long as it takes the fun police to drop the FH.....with indifference to vDallas, if you can get as many base hoarders as humanly possible to go along with you, base taking will always be easier on the player than multi-aircraft engagements....but the player will get better at nothing other than flying and dying for someone else to win nothing.
Carry on...
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What I find ironic about all this hoarde talk is that alot of you have joined these mega squads which are hoardes onto themselves. How in the world can some of you complain about hoardes when you're a member of one?! :headscratch:
Their reasons are "it's the only way to defend myself against the horde"
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Their reasons are "it's the only way to defend myself against the horde"
yup. and my answer to that is to break these guys up and scatter them between the 3 countries
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yup. and my answer to that is to break these guys up and scatter them between the 3 countries
Pleasure doing business with ya Uptown! QFT
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I'll go into more detail about the relative ease of porking.
It's not uncommon for my squad to pork an entire front or parts of both fronts or if we're really sick of losing fields just pork everybase on both fronts. We do this as a squad and with the help of other squads as well as the occasional request for help on green text. We might not get it done with 1 sortie each but a person rarely needs to fly more than 2 or 3 porking sorties to get this done.
Good porking helps you dictate where and who your foe attacks. It's a lot more effective than getting off the topic of poor sportsmanship to cry about the so called hordes.
I don't like being substantially outnumbered either but it's going to happen from time to time and that's just part of life.
I'm think that the horde is a lot like string theory. Nobody can agree on what it is exactly, just that it's real.
Has Aces High ever implemented some sort of auto assigning of countries? I wouldn't be opposed to trying it so long as it keeps squads together. I think that the game would be a bit friendlier if we all flew on the same side from time to time. My biggest gripe about the game is hearing all the paranoid nutjobs who don't want fly on the same front as someone who just transferred from another country.
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The one thing im getting tired of is ppl saying we dont have enough time to up and d efend the base, thats a load of bs, 8 out o10 times us brigade members willl most likly be at at an alt of tenk alt depending on the alt of an enmy base, also if you ppl would actually lool at your sectors you would be able to see when a missions is coming , hint all the red dar in the sector.
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I'll go into more detail about the relative ease of porking.
It's not uncommon for my squad to pork an entire front or parts of both fronts or if we're really sick of losing fields just pork everybase on both fronts. We do this as a squad and with the help of other squads as well as the occasional request for help on green text. We might not get it done with 1 sortie each but a person rarely needs to fly more than 2 or 3 porking sorties to get this done.
This is a hoarde plain and simple. Why on earth does a squad with 31 members need the help of other squads to pork the front. I myself can pork 2 bases in 1 sortie. What you refer to as porking is actually flattening bases along whole fronts. Why else do you need the kind of numbers you suggest?
You say you wouldn't be opposed to auto assigning countries "as long as it keeps your squad together" :lol Well the point of auto assigning countries is to break up these gangs :rolleyes:
You also go on to say that talking about "so called hoardes" is getting off topic. Well the title of the thread is "Teh Hordez".
I'm sorry but I just don't get why so many choose to fly with 20 guys on squad channel. Can you even hear what's going on with so much chatter on the radio?
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This is a hoarde plain and simple. Why on earth does a squad with 31 members need the help of other squads to pork the front. I myself can pork 2 bases in 1 sortie. What you refer to as porking is actually flattening bases along whole fronts. Why else do you need the kind of numbers you suggest?
You say you wouldn't be opposed to auto assigning countries "as long as it keeps your squad together" :lol Well the point of auto assigning countries is to break up these gangs :rolleyes:
You also go on to say that talking about "so called hoardes" is getting off topic. Well the title of the thread is "Teh Hordez".
I'm sorry but I just don't get why so many choose to fly with 20 guys on squad channel. Can you even hear what's going on with so much chatter on the radio?
(Uptown.....shhhhhhhhhh......t hey are the fight these days........shhhhhhhhh)
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No. Your over thinking the problem . If you want a swirling mass of planes roughly equal , that requires 2 hordes meeting , so go fly with hordes . If you take the time to study your map you won't ever get into an 8v1 unless you choose to . If neither of these is what you want...go to the DA . Outside of this just quit . The game has ALWAYS been this way and it always will . Adapt or move on . But from your response I gather you don't realize the fun of doing your best in a fight you cannot possibly win . Challenges aren't for everyone .
Open your mind, read and think about what guppy posted instead of just chanting. :)
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This is a hoarde plain and simple. Why on earth does a squad with 31 members need the help of other squads to pork the front. I myself can pork 2 bases in 1 sortie. What you refer to as porking is actually flattening bases along whole fronts. Why else do you need the kind of numbers you suggest?
You say you wouldn't be opposed to auto assigning countries "as long as it keeps your squad together" :lol Well the point of auto assigning countries is to break up these gangs :rolleyes:
You also go on to say that talking about "so called hoardes" is getting off topic. Well the title of the thread is "Teh Hordez".
I'm sorry but I just don't get why so many choose to fly with 20 guys on squad channel. Can you even hear what's going on with so much chatter on the radio?
Since reason has been thrown out the window, I'll just say this.
Go pork your two bases with one sortie, I'll take the base you launched from.
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Since reason has been thrown out the window, I'll just say this.
Go pork your two bases with one sortie, I'll take the base you launched from.
....with 30 of your closest friends :rolleyes:
I don't see where "reason" has been thrown out the window. If your squadmates are as good as Uptown, then in one mission you should be able to pork 60 base. How many bases are along a front? 10 or so? :rolleyes:
The point here is YOU GUYS have the power. If you ALL attack one base you can capture it, boring run after boring run. It doesn't create any fights or fun for anyone else. All you do is grab another base. On the other hand you could hit 3 bases at once with 10 guys in each mission STILL have a good chance at grabbing at least one base...maybe more, and you have more fun because of the challenge, everyone of your 30 get to play and participate, you generate fights at 3 locations adding fun and challenge for other players as well.
I know it's not your responsibility to make fun for the "enemy", but as we are playing a game, why not?
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....with 30 of your closest friends :rolleyes:
That's more than enough for a large field. Smalls take less than 10 and vehicle fields 5.
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Since reason has been thrown out the window, I'll just say this.
Go pork your two bases with one sortie, I'll take the base you launched from.
That would work if Uptown was the only guy flying...lmao but he isnt and the others that are in the game will have something to say about it. In time, the bish will get tired of dying while vDallas lands his 4 picks....and then the vHorde will go Knit and the knits won't follow him...cuz they didn't want that mentality there in the first place if my memory of your squad vote serves me correctly.
But it's all good with me...more targets.
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That's more than enough for a large field. Smalls take less than 10 and vehicle fields 5.
Certainly, it's more than enough for two fields at the SAME TIME :rolleyes:
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That would work if Uptown was the only guy flying...lmao but he isnt and the others that are in the game will have something to say about it. In time, the bish will get tired of dying while vDallas lands his 4 picks....and then the vHorde will go Knit and the knits won't follow him...cuz they didn't want that mentality there in the first place if my memory of your squad vote serves me correctly.
But it's all good with me...more targets.
That would work if Uptown was the only guy flying...lmao but he isnt and the others that are in the game will have something to say about it. In time, the bish will get tired of dying while vDallas lands his 4 picks....and then the vHorde will go Knit and the knits won't follow him...cuz they didn't want that mentality there in the first place if my memory of your squad vote serves me correctly.
It all depends on how strong the defense is Mr Fugitive.
But it's all good with me...more targets.
I like your mentality on stopping said horde. Aces high needs more with that mindset.
As far as the squad vote goes, someone posted dallas's email regarding the country change on the forum and a lot of people who weren't in the squad voted a lot more than once. Along with his contact # including phone number. Talk about an underhanded move.
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Rob you can thank one of your own squaddies for that, but that's what ya get for taking anyone and everyone with a pulse into the romper room you call a squad. all for the HORDE
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yup. and my answer to that is to break these guys up and scatter them between the 3 countries
How would you go about telling people who and where they can fly,are you paying for everyones subscription?? lol yea try that and this place will be a ghost town in no tine
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The horde:
Who cares? Seriously???? The horde complainers fly like you can cash your points in....fellas....lol...kill them. It's that simple. Two things will happen when you up against the horde...you will get better with your SA and you will get better at your angles fights.
This is not the American Express Rewards Program! You don't get TVs and fabulous vacations with your score points!!! :bhead
So? 5-6 can't realisticly be expected to defeat 30, and so defeat is usually inevetable. The more even the odds, the better the fight, IMO. You can't really and truely get a feel for your opponents skill level if you have to pay attention to 4 other guys. You can't start predicting his moves and trying to counter, while he does the same. Its just too.... impersonal I guess. I think your finest moment is after the most grueling, intense fight, sweat on your brow as you're pulled into the action, and at the end stand victorious.
Thats really the only time I can get a feel for my opponent's skill, get to know him as an enemy, and know how much of an accomplishment beating him is.
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As far as the squad vote goes, someone posted dallas's email regarding the country change on the forum and a lot of people who weren't in the squad voted a lot more than once. Along with his contact # including phone number. Talk about an underhanded move.
I voted about 20 times to keep the vMentallyChallenged from moving to Rooks but that didn't work out to well.
ack-ack
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I voted about 20 times to keep the vMentallyChallenged from moving to Rooks but that didn't work out to well.
ack-ack
Aww..... thats mean :rofl.
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So? 5-6 can't realisticly be expected to defeat 30, and so defeat is usually inevetable. The more even the odds, the better the fight, IMO. You can't really and truely get a feel for your opponents skill level if you have to pay attention to 4 other guys. You can't start predicting his moves and trying to counter, while he does the same. Its just too.... impersonal I guess. I think your finest moment is after the most grueling, intense fight, sweat on your brow as you're pulled into the action, and at the end stand victorious.
Thats really the only time I can get a feel for my opponent's skill, get to know him as an enemy, and know how much of an accomplishment beating him is.
To handle the horde it isn't about figuring your opponents skills...its about killing..very quickly. The ones who survive the hordes for the longest period of time are the marksmen...the skilled shooters. After that, its about accepting the fact that you are going to die...how many I take with me is what I care about...and if I gave a good fight while doing it. Sometimes I do and sometimes I don't but I won't do is complain about the hordes. I spend too much time as it is looking for a fight...the hordes bring it to me! (and most of the time, they aren't skilled enough to have to worry about...or they wouldn't be flying in the horde) :t
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See? I think thats where you and I differ. I don't much care for that type of fight. Yeah, I mean I guess it requires good SA and marksmanship, and I guess you could call it a fight since people are being killed. But the results don't show who was better.
I like a nice, close up fight, where I have to be a better pilot than my opponent to win.
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See? I think thats where you and I differ. I don't much care for that type of fight. Yeah, I mean I guess it requires good SA and marksmanship, and I guess you could call it a fight since people are being killed. But the results don't show who was better.
I like a nice, close up fight, where I have to be a better pilot than my opponent to win.
Then invite people to the DA...controlled, even and clear. You can find out exactly how good you are in there, lol.
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How would you go about telling people who and where they can fly,are you paying for everyones subscription?? lol yea try that and this place will be a ghost town in no tine
well thank goodness I don't own the company, because if I did we would find out if that was true before the sun comes up this morning. :t
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I voted about 20 times to keep the vMentallyChallenged from moving to Rooks but that didn't work out to well.
ack-ack
:rofl :rofl
We voted against it, until a squadie and I stole a couple of VDallas' kills and the hate PMs rolled in. I think he hates that more than being shot down :rofl.
Sad that there is quite a few real nice guys in that squad who were really helpful and fun to fly with that are misguided by rotten leadership
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What about when I'm the one getting horded and rudely PM'd? I guess life goes on and Aces High is still fun.
It happens to anyone in any country.
(http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae209/thedevilsbrigade1/Kingpen.png)
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Rob, this was Sunday evening battle for A13 !
Epic battle, fun ,best fight in years!<S> knights and whoever posted the raids ofter raids on A13!
Crazy knights were throwing all they had on this base, even empty beer cans. I don't get it; why are players complaining about horde; i love defending bases under heavy attack, no need to fly 2 sectors to find a red con, just take off and shot. Too bad this nonsense score system encourages cowardness and keeps many players in tower watching or crying here on BB.
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What about when I'm the one getting horded and rudely PM'd? I guess life goes on and Aces High is still fun.
It happens to anyone in any country.
(http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae209/thedevilsbrigade1/Kingpen.png)
Your attempt at tongue-in-cheek subtlety is lackluster...
I'll take PM's from Kingpen for $1000, Alex :rolleyes:
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I wasn't knocking the horde, I was stating that the horde goes both ways. The PM screenshot was my response to the comments about the infamous dallas pms earlier in the thread. Sometimes you get horded and rude private messages at the same time but regardless of this, aces high is still fun.
And as far as my pm response in the screenshot. I was also ejected from 1ssf.
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I'm tempted to say that I'd like to see what would happen if there were no scoring inside the main arena.
Stats are already posted live per successful sortie in bombers as well as anyone who gets 2 or more kills.
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Then invite people to the DA...controlled, even and clear. You can find out exactly how good you are in there, lol.
Meh, a bit too controlled and clear. I don't think the best fights come from either the DA, or the hordes, but some of the smaller fights (say 5-10 people per side).
You're on someones six, see a burst of tracers fly by your 109, and look back to see a P-51. You start manuvering, figuring he is the typical fifty-run driver, and will imediatly dive to the deck. To your astonishment, he keeps with you all the way. You initiate a scissors fight, but he skillfuly enters a high yo-you and is back at your 6 as soon as you roll back for the reversal, but has bled some E when he pulled out of a turn too hard. You barrel roll and see hes lost some ground, but still isn't done.
Tell me that doesn't sound like the makings of a good fight, and I'll call you a liar.
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I'm tempted to say that I'd like to see what would happen if there were no scoring inside the main arena.
Stats are already posted live per successful sortie in bombers as well as anyone who gets 2 or more kills.
Absolutley nothing. At least the majority of players that I have encountered really dont give a rats arse about score or stats. Ego plays much more than timid flying tactics.
I dont particularly dont like to be shot down after it takes me 10 minutes to engage someone, but I come to expect it every sortie and if I come out successful..then its much more enjoyable
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Meh, a bit too controlled and clear. I don't think the best fights come from either the DA, or the hordes, but some of the smaller fights (say 5-10 people per side).
You're on someones six, see a burst of tracers fly by your 109, and look back to see a P-51. You start manuvering, figuring he is the typical fifty-run driver, and will imediatly dive to the deck. To your astonishment, he keeps with you all the way. You initiate a scissors fight, but he skillfuly enters a high yo-you and is back at your 6 as soon as you roll back for the reversal, but has bled some E when he pulled out of a turn too hard. You barrel roll and see hes lost some ground, but still isn't done.
Tell me that doesn't sound like the makings of a good fight, and I'll call you a liar.
That is a good fight but its not what you were speaking about. You were talking about seeing how skillful someone is. To find that out, there can be no chance of getting picked, lying about how it happened etc. Just because you can move out of the way of tracers and reverse someone doesn't mean it was a skillful fight...but in the DA, 1 v 1 you get the best of ALL of the worlds of AH...the single two best fights I ever had were in the DA....BatfinkV in 202's (he let me fly around for 7 mins and I choose to think it was a fight...don't tell him I know he was eating crackers and drinking tea with his right hand...I don't want to betray his generousity) and Sunbat in Spit 1's (he did the same thing till I HO'd him...then he killed me quickly over and over). My next two are MA fights....met Tongs at 16K and fought for 8 mins all the way to the deck but I may as well been in the DA..no one bothered us and it ended up with one of us augering!! My fingers wouldn't open when it was over...greatness. And finally with paleoguy....8 mins of him yanking his K4 around and me trying not to drive my 1A into the ground...but no one around to bother us.
The DA is the place to discover skill...you can see it everyday in the MA.
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Not really. Being killed doesn't mean someone was better than you. You tell how good someone is by the quality of fight they put up once the maneuvering starts. If he tried to pick, but failed, that doesn't mean he isn't a good pilot, just that you saw the pick coming and were able to avoid it.
And I think we just differ in opinions. That type of 1v1 sounds a bit boring to me. I like it when its totally unexpected, and you either end up sinking back into your chair and breathing a deep sigh of relief when you finally manage to kill him, or end up obscurely pleased at the suprise as you float down to earth in your chute.
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Not really. Being killed doesn't mean someone was better than you.
In a 1 v 1, then what does it mean???? lol
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You said that there can't be any chance that the engagment started with a pick, or something. Thats not true, a pick at the beginning of a 10 minute fight doesn't automaticly invalidate the results or the actuall fighting as far as one of the combatants making a judgment on his opponents skill.
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You tell how good someone is by the quality of fight they put up once the maneuvering starts.
Exactly. And if you're starting on equal terms it tells that much more. That rarely happens outside the DA. There's too many variables in the MA to truely judge skill except in rare instances.
If you really want to know how you stack up against someone the only place to do it is in the DA and when you find an equal pilot the fights are intense.
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However there is much shown when winning a fight that starts out in unpredictable ways as well. It is much harder to judge 'e' states on someone that did not start on equal terms (I am really bad at this). Granted you can tell much more about someone's skill level in a DA style match-up but there are skills that can not be learned through equal starts.
I also believe the unpredictable nature of the MA's is what produces the best fights (with the exception of the 202 fight that caldera mentioned), but getting through the all the HO's and Hordes and pickers makes it difficult to find and can many times be very frustrating.
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I wasn't knocking the horde, I was stating that the horde goes both ways. The PM screenshot was my response to the comments about the infamous dallas pms earlier in the thread. Sometimes you get horded and rude private messages at the same time but regardless of this, aces high is still fun.
And as far as my pm response in the screenshot. I was also ejected from 1ssf.
DALLAS typically sends vox PMs. I don't give a rip about text PMs but the vox type are ghey.. The flip side is that I know that I really pissed him off & that makes it worth it. :aok
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I wasn't knocking the horde, I was stating that the horde goes both ways. The PM screenshot was my response to the comments about the infamous dallas pms earlier in the thread. Sometimes you get horded and rude private messages at the same time but regardless of this, aces high is still fun.
And as far as my pm response in the screenshot. I was also ejected from 1ssf.
Then now you definatley can relate that getting PMs can be rude, obnoxious, unsportsman like or just plain silly. Can you please resend this memo to your fearless leader? Its been on his desk for years. :aok
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Then now you definatley can relate that getting PMs can be rude, obnoxious, unsportsman like or just plain silly. Can you please resend this memo to your fearless leader? Its been on his desk for years. :aok
This one wasn't from dallas, but it was fun none the less
(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/338/sigsauertard.png)
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oh oh oh i know that one.
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Oh don't block out the name, let everyone know that it was SigSauer. He was also claiming one of the Muppets is HiTech in shades, which was actually pretty funny. In case anyone didn't know, SigSauer is Pieper which is kind of weird since Pieper supposedly kicked the bucket over the summer.
ack-ack
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He was also claiming one of the Muppets is HiTech in shades, which was actually pretty funny.
:rofl :rofl :rofl classic
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Well that explains a few things. Told you he was slow Ardy.
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Well that explains a few things. Told you he was slow Ardy.
Isn't he the one that flew assuprectum for a while?
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He was also claiming all the Muppets are the HTC staff in shades
fixed.
hilarious. Idk if he was drunk, stoned or something, but he kept telling me that im someone from HTC staff, even hours later. Had fun on it, considering i cant even speak english :rofl
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Idk why u guys take pms so hard, i think of them as compliments, and i tell the other guy thanks for the hate mail :p, the i go back to the fight, why is it that ever one,has to complain,
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Idk why u guys take pms so hard, i think of them as compliments, and i tell the other guy thanks for the hate mail :p, the i go back to the fight, why is it that ever one,has to complain,
Some people just don't like dolts berating them. It doesn't need to be any more complex than that. Myself, I view the chronic whiners/PMers as either a mild annoyance or a mild source of entertainment to point and laugh at, depending on mood.
The guy saying AoM is the HTC staff... I'm still :rofl over that. That is a level of persecution complex paranoia one rarely sees outside an institution. That dude needs to sit back and relax a LOT.
Wiley.
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Last night bong was PMing me calling me all sorts of names lol.
I had just killed a typh and was slow. I was close to his base with other cons in close. I went slightly nose down to gain E. When I did he was coming at me and from 1.5 he was blazing away. At 600 I opened up and killed him.
I told him he was the one firing 1.5 out and that maybe some time in the TA might help. He said he'd go 1 on 1 with me and that he had been playing 7 years. I told him... only 7?. That explains it. :)
This between all his name calling. :rofl
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so the Muppets are who I need to talk to inorder to get my bases back?
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Idk why u guys take pms so hard, i think of them as compliments,
Everyone Needs a Fanclub !!! :cheers:
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Idk why u guys take pms so hard...
No, maybe I came across wrong, I didn't take it hard, I just found it entertaining. I didn't post it, but later he started asking me if HiTech was sitting next to me :rofl :rofl
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No, maybe I came across wrong, I didn't take it hard, I just found it entertaining. I didn't post it, but later he started asking me if HiTech was sitting next to me :rofl :rofl
Did you tell how cool the new view of Fort Worth is?
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Did you tell how cool the new view of Fort Worth is?
Nothing beats cow town vistas!
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Nothing beats cow town vistas!
And I'm hoping you followed that by telling him to pizz up a rope
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And I'm hoping you followed that by telling him to pizz up a rope
I asked him if he had a third brother that would tell the community that the brother (Ferb) of pieper had recently died, as pieper is clearly dead and sigsauer is his evil twin brother or the second coming of pieper. :noid
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,317223.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,317223.0.html)
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fixed.
hilarious. Idk if he was drunk, stoned or something, but he kept telling me that im someone from HTC staff, even hours later. Had fun on it, considering i cant even speak english :rofl
^^^^^^ English?
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^^^^^^ English?
"speak" :noid
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omgf, come on, son, try harder.
Btw Sig apologized.
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omgf, come on, son, try harder.
Btw Sig apologized.
lmao! He's bong's son...minus the gratuitous apologies!! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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lmao! He's bong's son...minus the gratuitous apologies!! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
lol Bong aka drdeth is a 'character' lol
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Might mitigate the horde problem by rationing the number of particular aircraft type that can be up from each base at a time. I can hear the spit16 drivers howling now........ :neener:
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I'd be fine then. seems like almost nobody flew the 190A5, and few people flew the 109K when I was playing.
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Might mitigate the horde problem by rationing the number of particular aircraft type that can be up from each base at a time.
This is an INTERESTING idea... I can see where it might not be popular with SOME people, but it would DEFINATELY raise the reality quotient of the game a couple of notchs. Put the bomber bases to the rear? Premium Figter Squadrons, with a Fixed # of planes available up at Front line Bases? dependant on resupply to maintain FULL Strength? Limit a base to 2 or 3 types? Older, Less Potent Fighters and Attack Planes one tier back? Relocate or eliminate Squadrons when a Base Falls? ... It would change the dynamic of the game and DEFINATELY have a big effect on Hording Tactics.
+++ :rock
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I'm not sure it would eliminate hording, but possibly push people towards more of a combined opps style of play.
If running NOE:
1) 109's for fighter cover
2) some sets of B-26's to take care of the main part of town
3) heavy 110's or mossies to clean up
4) pair of C-47's
As opposed to a
1) watermelon ton of heavy fighters
2) watermelon ton of C-47's
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ok here we go again
full rook darbar over TT, not a single knight there
upped a 262 lookin for easy kill btards.
yet theres a 10k rook jet circling there
WTF im done with this friggen game, spineless twits rule
can it be even lower?
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ok here we go again
full rook darbar over TT, not a single knight there
upped a 262 lookin for easy kill btards.
yet theres a 10k rook jet circling there
WTF im done with this friggen game, spineless twits rule
And thats why I play 'Rise of Flight' now. Fwiw the game is currently on sale 50% off. The full real servers are very reminicent of the play style AW way back when. Great fun.
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ok here we go again
full rook darbar over TT, not a single knight there
upped a 262 lookin for easy kill btards.
yet theres a 10k rook jet circling there
WTF im done with this friggen game, spineless twits rule
can it be even lower?
Oh the horror!
Maybe he is there to stop you.
If you are mad because he is stopping you from picking those helpless guys you were counting on, maybe you should kill him.
Or maybe you are too burned out to see how silly you sound.
<S> Nice playing with you sir. Hope you return soon.
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hordes are fine, there just needs to be something that motivates a defensive horde against the offensive horde, then we will have utopia
JUGgler
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hordes are fine, there just needs to be something that motivates a defensive horde against the offensive horde, then we will have utopia
JUGgler
We almost had it last night...just about. Then, it became a "sink the CV" fest....I have no idea why. If you have other missions, you can just go around the CV and leave the fight alone but nope...lots of "sink the CV" police out there.
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We almost had it last night...just about. Then, it became a "sink the CV" fest....I have no idea why. If you have other missions, you can just go around the CV and leave the fight alone but nope...lots of "sink the CV" police out there.
Nope. Kill it. Kill it if you want to. :aok
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you werent there Sir. See you when we get the 410 <S>
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Nope. Kill it. Kill it if you want to. :aok
Somehow Way, I knew you'd find this thread....I was kinda counting on it. So if a bunch of folks are having a good time, its cool to stop it? I'm not saying someone CAN'T or shouldn't do what they want...I'm saying its unnecessary and smacks of "I'll just screw it up for whoever".
Now, before you argue it...make sure you understand my point. I'm not saying DON'T...I'm saying doing it makes you a dick. If people are ok killing a fight and becoming a dick...I guess their ok being a dick. :rofl
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Somehow Way, I knew you'd find this thread....I was kinda counting on it. So if a bunch of folks are having a good time, its cool to stop it? I'm not saying someone CAN'T or shouldn't do what they want...I'm saying its unnecessary and smacks of "I'll just screw it up for whoever".
Now, before you argue it...make sure you understand my point. I'm not saying DON'T...I'm saying doing it makes you a dick. If people are ok killing a fight and becoming a dick...I guess their ok being a dick. :rofl
Changeup that can be applied to any aspect of the game, Jabbo's wrecking GV only Fights, bombers dropping FH and leaving the Bomber hangers up, the people destroying all i described are doing it because Maybe that's how they enjoy the game to others it's the "don't be a Dick®©" rule which leaves us with the play my way or your this kinda person now? granted there are people who will go out of there way to be a dick©® cause that's just how they get there sad enjoyment. just no use getting upset about things that are always going to happen more so now then before.
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Hey, its Pyro's rule, not ours.
"Rule #1: don't be a dick"
And ZooM, if people want to just bomb GV's that can't shoot back..... well thats available in the offline arena for free. No reason for someone who derives their pleaure from just bombing GV's should be online.
If you follow that train of thought to its logical conclusion, anyone whos main goal and source of pleasure in the MA's is bombing GV fights, is actually deriving their pleasure from killing people's fights, or pissing people off by bombing the highest perk tank they see. If GV bombing is their main goal and source of pleasure (and there are those types out there), that would imply that he has no ulterior motive, and simply enjoys starting trouble.
In otherwords, they're borderline psychopaths in all but the scale on which they opperate.
Bombers: Theres a multitude of targets to hit. Drop all but one FH, and then hit a BH, and you will still have bombed the same number of hangers. If bombing is how they get their enjoyment, there are (easy) ways to do it, and still not kill a fight. Infact, its just simply swinging your nose a few degrees to the left on your final bomb run. If they are bombing purely for pleasure, and not to assist an attack, or at a request, that would mean they are intentonally killing the fights, by targeting all the FH's, despite the fact that its easier to get a mix of FH's and BH's.
Assuming they're not doing it on request or to assist an attack, they are doing it simply to kill others fun, and piss as many people off. Again, this would make them borderline psychopaths.
Now I'm not saying that everyone who bombs a GV fight, or enjoys bombing is a psychopath, as we all know thats not the case. But I'm saying that those whos main goal/action in the MA's is bombing GV's, dropping all the FH's, and killing fights (those you've just defended) derive their pleasure from other's displeasure, or unhappiness, are infact borderline psychopaths.
The difference between tormenting someone online and tormenting someone in real life is not in the nature of that action, but only in the scale.
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I have no idea what you are smoking, but you should really drop it...
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push people towards more of a combined opps style of play.
If running NOE: 1) 109's for fighter cover, 2) some sets of B-26's to take care of the main part of town, 3) heavy 110's or mossies to clean up, 4) pair of C-47's
A good set. If bases were limited to just a couple of types, pilots would have to LEARN to be adaptable, or limit themselves to bases with their favorite type (and maybe wait in line for one). And combined opps would have to VARY their composition depending on what plane types were available within reasonable range ... Missions would have to coordinate and rendevous at a staging point. Gee? Sounds kind of REALISTIC ??? :aok
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When GVs stop coming to my airfields blowing things up, then i'll stop going to GV fights and blowing them up. :devil
how's that for logic Tank-Ace?
I won't go as far as stealing a friendly tankers kill. But if you get him.....your butt is mine. So ya better hope ur in one of them whirelwind thingys. :t
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When GVs stop coming to my airfields blowing things up, then i'll stop going to GV fights and blowing them up. :devil
how's that for logic Tank-Ace?
I won't go as far as stealing a friendly tankers kill. But if you get him.....your butt is mine. So ya better hope ur in one of them whirelwind thingys. :t
little difference between things
if your base is under attack of a heavy gv raid (usually your VH is down) or
if theres a tank vs tank fun battle going on and you come to btard from a sector away
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if people want to just bomb GV's that can't shoot back..... well thats available in the offline arena for free. No reason for someone who derives their pleaure from just bombing GV's should be online.
You fail to grasp the simple fact that you're in the MA. If you appear red on my screen then that makes you fair game, regardless of what you are in. If you want to GV unmolested there is the option of creating your own arena that you can disable planes in so you can't be bombed. Asking...no, demanding, that you don't get bombed in the MA is just as silly as flying a bomber and asking a fighter not to shoot you down. Basically, suck it up and get a new tank when you get bombed.
ack-ack
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Somehow Way, I knew you'd find this thread....I was kinda counting on it. So if a bunch of folks are having a good time, its cool to stop it? I'm not saying someone CAN'T or shouldn't do what they want...I'm saying its unnecessary and smacks of "I'll just screw it up for whoever".
Now, before you argue it...make sure you understand my point. I'm not saying DON'T...I'm saying doing it makes you a dick. If people are ok killing a fight and becoming a dick...I guess their ok being a dick. :rofl
:noid :rolleyes:
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Hey, its Pyro's rule, not ours.
"Rule #1: don't be a dick"
And ZooM, if people want to just bomb GV's that can't shoot back..... well thats available in the offline arena for free. No reason for someone who derives their pleaure from just bombing GV's should be online.
If you follow that train of thought to its logical conclusion, anyone whos main goal and source of pleasure in the MA's is bombing GV fights, is actually deriving their pleasure from killing people's fights, or pissing people off by bombing the highest perk tank they see. If GV bombing is their main goal and source of pleasure (and there are those types out there), that would imply that he has no ulterior motive, and simply enjoys starting trouble.
In otherwords, they're borderline psychopaths in all but the scale on which they opperate.
What you seem to fail to understand, is bombing GVs is easy, and with out much danger of being shot down. So people can get kills, get points and perks, AND get their name in lights. Pissing people off is just an added benefit. No of these things can be obtained off line.
Bombers: Theres a multitude of targets to hit. Drop all but one FH, and then hit a BH, and you will still have bombed the same number of hangers. If bombing is how they get their enjoyment, there are (easy) ways to do it, and still not kill a fight. Infact, its just simply swinging your nose a few degrees to the left on your final bomb run. If they are bombing purely for pleasure, and not to assist an attack, or at a request, that would mean they are intentonally killing the fights, by targeting all the FH's, despite the fact that its easier to get a mix of FH's and BH's.
What you fail to understand is taking the fighter hangers down at a base makes it much easier to capture the base, the main activity in the MA's.
Your putting wayyyyyy too much stock into the the idea of everyone is to piss the other guy off. Sure some do go out of their way to do so, but for the most part it really isn't a factor, just an added benefit.
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I like to go to GV fights and shoot at bomb****s... but then their buddies always spawn wirbles and the bomb****s drag you back into ack... so that makes me mad and I grab bombs and come back and kill GV's too, because they shot at me first.
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FIGHTER ACE GAME DYNAMICS ---------
This game is no longer on but, the strategical design they had for maps was VERY impressive! Yes, the game was a bit arcadish but was still pretty realistic in flight models. you couldnt drive tanks, but that was ok. What u could do was ALOT more things to limit ur nmys capabilities to fight.
The maps were alot smaller, but that was because of the numbers, but they were plenty big enough.
The terrain changed within the map. in other words, in one area u would have deserts with pyramids..... In another there were active volcanos...
In another u had rolling plains..... then u had mountains and such all split up but forming a very intersting map.
"RESOURCES" was basically the number 1 ( one ) target at all times as first step to limit defensive capabillities. every base had factories that supplied the airfields with 3 things, Metal, Ammo, and Fuel. If the Metal production factory at the industrial complex that supplies a field gets destroyed, then the airfields area that are damaged take longer to repair. This ALSO has an effect on the tanks that would roll for defense of fields and the aircraft rolling from that field. If an aircraft rolls from a field that has no metal, than 1 potential CGI run tank could not be built or roll for attack or defense of same said field the aircraft rolled from. This is of course AFTER the airfield uses its own stored supplies. The factories would have transport supply trains that would start at a factory, then follow a track system that would take it to other bases to resupply.
Metal production also had effects on ammo production.
If Ammo was destroyed at airfield, then ALL aircraft can roll but only with 25% of ammo loaded into their guns. Bombers would have some guns that had no ammo at all, while other guns would have 25% or at most 50% of rounds available.
Fuel targets would limit the amount of fuel for ANY aircraft to no less than 25%.
Any plane that rolled from a base would use ammo, fuel and metal that is stored at that base. if to many ppl roll at one time, then before u know it, there is not enough fuel or ammo to load ur plane.
So basically, Yes u could take and airfield, although just comming in and destroying the hangers will not stop aircraft from rolling. but in order to TAKE a field, u had to get the field to a certain point of damage percebtage before capturable. AN IMPORTANT !!!! thing was to disable production facilities and factories that supplied the airfield ur attacking IF there is an effort to defend. If no effort to defend then ofcourse u want a take with minimal combat readiness damage to the base (i.e. strategical strikes). BUT, in order to KEEP the base in combat effectiveness, u had to fly cargo in to resup. and/or attack and attempt to take the adjoining supply factory so that ur resources will be restored quicker and by trains as well.
Trains were targets that could be attacked too.
In AH, I have heard that there IS a system like this, well really, it must be REALLY be so hiden that our teams intelligence cannot seem to locate any information on delivery times and secret base production locations that it MUST not be an important thing to win this war........lol
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FIGHTER ACE GAME DYNAMICS ---------
This game is no longer on but, the strategical design they had for maps was VERY impressive! Yes, the game was a bit arcadish but was still pretty realistic in flight models. you couldnt drive tanks, but that was ok. What u could do was ALOT more things to limit ur nmys capabilities to fight.
The maps were alot smaller, but that was because of the numbers, but they were plenty big enough.
The terrain changed within the map. in other words, in one area u would have deserts with pyramids..... In another there were active volcanos...
In another u had rolling plains..... then u had mountains and such all split up but forming a very intersting map.
"RESOURCES" was basically the number 1 ( one ) target at all times as first step to limit defensive capabillities. every base had factories that supplied the airfields with 3 things, Metal, Ammo, and Fuel. If the Metal production factory at the industrial complex that supplies a field gets destroyed, then the airfields area that are damaged take longer to repair. This ALSO has an effect on the tanks that would roll for defense of fields and the aircraft rolling from that field. If an aircraft rolls from a field that has no metal, than 1 potential CGI run tank could not be built or roll for attack or defense of same said field the aircraft rolled from. This is of course AFTER the airfield uses its own stored supplies. The factories would have transport supply trains that would start at a factory, then follow a track system that would take it to other bases to resupply.
Metal production also had effects on ammo production.
If Ammo was destroyed at airfield, then ALL aircraft can roll but only with 25% of ammo loaded into their guns. Bombers would have some guns that had no ammo at all, while other guns would have 25% or at most 50% of rounds available.
Fuel targets would limit the amount of fuel for ANY aircraft to no less than 25%.
Any plane that rolled from a base would use ammo, fuel and metal that is stored at that base. if to many ppl roll at one time, then before u know it, there is not enough fuel or ammo to load ur plane.
So basically, Yes u could take and airfield, although just comming in and destroying the hangers will not stop aircraft from rolling. but in order to TAKE a field, u had to get the field to a certain point of damage percebtage before capturable. AN IMPORTANT !!!! thing was to disable production facilities and factories that supplied the airfield ur attacking IF there is an effort to defend. If no effort to defend then ofcourse u want a take with minimal combat readiness damage to the base (i.e. strategical strikes). BUT, in order to KEEP the base in combat effectiveness, u had to fly cargo in to resup. and/or attack and attempt to take the adjoining supply factory so that ur resources will be restored quicker and by trains as well.
Trains were targets that could be attacked too.
In AH, I have heard that there IS a system like this, well really, it must be REALLY be so hiden that our teams intelligence cannot seem to locate any information on delivery times and secret base production locations that it MUST not be an important thing to win this war........lol
You know, I understand why HTC doesn't limit things in the game, after all people PAY to play and if you take away their toys, they aren't going to pay.
On the other hand, maybe something like this WOULD help. The biggest problem I see is more people are interested in "taking" and NOT defending. Why? because there is some satisfaction for winning. If you gave people a reason to defend....like lose of fuel, ammo, planes, AND points/recognition for a successful defense, maybe we would see more fights.
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You know, I understand why HTC doesn't limit things in the game, after all people PAY to play and if you take away their toys, they aren't going to pay.
On the other hand, maybe something like this WOULD help. The biggest problem I see is more people are interested in "taking" and NOT defending. Why? because there is some satisfaction for winning. If you gave people a reason to defend....like lose of fuel, ammo, planes, AND points/recognition for a successful defense, maybe we would see more fights.
We could get rid of suprise raids too... what i'm picturing is, a base or town starts flashing and the game announces: "THE KNIGHTS HAVE BEGUN THE BATTLE OF A31". Then we could periodic updates like, "THE KNIGHTS HAVE FORCED THE SURRENDER OF A31 -- OCCUPATION FORCES INBOUND" (for when it's white flagged...) and if the base stops flashing, or the town goes back to greenflag, you could then have: "THE BISHOPS HAVE SUCCESSFULLY DEFENDED A31" or if it's taken, "THE KNIGHTS HAVE WON THE BATTLE OF A31".
Then everyone can highfive each other and talk about how awesome they are because the computer recognized they did something.
:x :bolt:
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We could get rid of suprise raids too... what i'm picturing is, a base or town starts flashing and the game announces: "THE KNIGHTS HAVE BEGUN THE BATTLE OF A31". Then we could periodic updates like, "THE KNIGHTS HAVE FORCED THE SURRENDER OF A31 -- OCCUPATION FORCES INBOUND" (for when it's white flagged...) and if the base stops flashing, or the town goes back to greenflag, you could then have: "THE BISHOPS HAVE SUCCESSFULLY DEFENDED A31" or if it's taken, "THE KNIGHTS HAVE WON THE BATTLE OF A31".
Then everyone can highfive each other and talk about how awesome they are because the computer recognized they did something.
:x :bolt:
:aok
that is actually a good idea..
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We could get rid of suprise raids too... what i'm picturing is, a base or town starts flashing and the game announces: "THE KNIGHTS HAVE BEGUN THE BATTLE OF A31". Then we could periodic updates like, "THE KNIGHTS HAVE FORCED THE SURRENDER OF A31 -- OCCUPATION FORCES INBOUND" (for when it's white flagged...) and if the base stops flashing, or the town goes back to greenflag, you could then have: "THE BISHOPS HAVE SUCCESSFULLY DEFENDED A31" or if it's taken, "THE KNIGHTS HAVE WON THE BATTLE OF A31".
Then everyone can highfive each other and talk about how awesome they are because the computer recognized they did something.
:x :bolt:
I like it too, it would make the game a bit more immersive..."reports from the front and all. It would also give those looking for a fight a quicker and easier way to find them.
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Somehow Way, I knew you'd find this thread....I was kinda counting on it. So if a bunch of folks are having a good time, its cool to stop it? I'm not saying someone CAN'T or shouldn't do what they want...I'm saying its unnecessary and smacks of "I'll just screw it up for whoever".
Now, before you argue it...make sure you understand my point. I'm not saying DON'T...I'm saying doing it makes you a dick. If people are ok killing a fight and becoming a dick...I guess their ok being a dick. :rofl
crap then I am the biggest dick around since I sink every cv i see and by the way didnt you ask many many times to come and sink the cv? so that makes you what, the dick handler?
semp
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You fail to grasp the simple fact that you're in the MA. If you appear red on my screen then that makes you fair game, regardless of what you are in. If you want to GV unmolested there is the option of creating your own arena that you can disable planes in so you can't be bombed. Asking...no, demanding, that you don't get bombed in the MA is just as silly as flying a bomber and asking a fighter not to shoot you down. Basically, suck it up and get a new tank when you get bombed.
ack-ack
I fully agree. I decided to spend this entire tour killing GVs while flying mostly mid-war fighters (P-38G, P-39Q, all of P-40s) as my primary game play. It's been fun, in a different way. Moreover, many enemy pilots figure that a low P-39, P-40 or the like, is an easy mark... They quickly find out otherwise. Of course, I'll grab something else if circumstances warrant. Next month, I'll try something else. Gotta mix things up to keep it fresh and interesting.
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crap then I am the biggest dick around since I sink every cv i see and by the way didnt you ask many many times to come and sink the cv? so that makes you what, the dick handler?
semp
now that is funny and oh so true! LOL :rofl
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But I'm saying that those whos main goal/action in the MA's is bombing GV's, dropping all the FH's, and killing fights
Sounds like the basic plan of attack to take a base. Except we go for the VH too ... If there isn't really intent to TAKE the base ... It's still GOOD PRACTICE .
derive their pleasure from other's displeasure, or unhappiness, are infact borderline psychopaths.
No, thats called Sadism ... and it's NOT consistant with Psycopathy ... Stop trying to use WORDS you obviously don't comprehend.
The difference between tormenting someone online and tormenting someone in real life is not in the nature of that action, but only in the scale.
And whats the Diff. between when YOU are tomenting someone(s) in this thread and in real life ??? Mirror-Mirror on the wall ... :eek:
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There is much drama-fu in this thread. :headscratch:
Oh.. and I see this thread going by way of the locksmith real soon.
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crap then I am the biggest dick around since I sink every cv i see and by the way didnt you ask many many times to come and sink the cv? so that makes you what, the dick handler?
semp
Semp, that's because you don't do much else...and that's ok. Someone's got to be a dick...I guess your the biggest one in here if all you do is sink CV's that are the only fight in town. Apparently you didn't read my post...I wasn't saying don't, I was saying look around...I guess you must wanna get that big screen TV with all those "sunken CV points"...good luck with that.
As for calling to sink one, I'm 100% certain that was while taking a base or two but I don't expect you to remember that...it would have made too much sense for the post you made...then you would have been a dumb dick instead of just a dick.
Your buddy,
Changeup
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now that is funny and oh so true! LOL :rofl
I expected more from you...Semp?, not so much but you? Oh well...lmao! :aok
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As I said, not everyone that drops the FH, or bombs GVs is out to piss people off. Usually its to support an attack, or prevent the capture of one of your bases.
But then there are those few people that will go drop the hangers at a bish/knit fight, when they themselves are rook. Or the GV bombers at a GV only fight, at 2 bases that dont lead to any other bases (in otherwords harmless). Its either because they just want their name in lights, or much more rarely because they just get-off to other peoples displeasure.
Point being is that there are those few people that can take shelter under your "its their $15 a month" umbrella, that at the same time don't deserve it.
EVZ,
"Psychopathy (/saɪˈkɒpəθi/) is a mental disorder characterized primarily by a lack of empathy and remorse, shallow emotions, egocentricity, and deceptiveness. Psychopaths are highly prone to antisocial behavior and abusive treatment of others...."
Sounds one hell of a lot like a certian Portugese jellyfish we all know, especially the lack of empathy and egocentricity. We can all name names, but then that wouldn't be appropriate.
However, you are right, they could fall under th Sadist categrory as well.
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Semp, that's because you don't do much else...and that's ok. Someone's got to be a dick...I guess your the biggest one in here if all you do is sink CV's that are the only fight in town. Apparently you didn't read my post...I wasn't saying don't, I was saying look around...I guess you must wanna get that big screen TV with all those "sunken CV points"...good luck with that.
As for calling to sink one, I'm 100% certain that was while taking a base or two but I don't expect you to remember that...it would have made too much sense for the post you made...then you would have been a dumb dick instead of just a dick.
Your buddy,
Changeup
it's the irony of it all changeup. perhaps when you called for a cv to be sunk then it's ok but when somebody else does it to you then he's a salamander?
semp
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Sounds like the basic plan of attack to take a base. Except we go for the VH too ... If there isn't really intent to TAKE the base ... It's still GOOD PRACTICE .
No, thats called Sadism ... and it's NOT consistant with Psycopathy ... Stop trying to use WORDS you obviously don't comprehend.
And whats the Diff. between when YOU are tomenting someone(s) in this thread and in real life ??? Mirror-Mirror on the wall ... :eek:
No, that is being an A-hole. Why kill a fight if you have no intentions of taking the base? If your out to just bomb, then it won't hurt you to fly on to the next base and pork that one.
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it's the irony of it all changeup. perhaps when you called for a cv to be sunk then it's ok but when somebody else does it to you then he's a salamander?
semp
Its called a hypocrite Semp, how many times did he ask the squad to report someone for using a dirty word on 200 in a discussion with him, then 10 minutes latter you see Changeup doing the exact same thing? Now as to sinking a cv that is the only fight around yeah that puts a damper on things, but I'm pretty sure there are more bases that can be fought over SOMEWHERE on a map, might have to look real hard to find em tho since they usually aren't indicated in bright letters and numbers.
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it's the irony of it all changeup. perhaps when you called for a cv to be sunk then it's ok but when somebody else does it to you then he's a salamander?
semp
No irony Semp...again, you are ignoring the point I made which was "while taking bases". I have never randomly called for a CV to be sunk. Now you're just reaching....lol...that's funny.
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Its called a hypocrite Semp, how many times did he ask the squad to report someone for using a dirty word on 200 in a discussion with him, then 10 minutes latter you see Changeup doing the exact same thing? Now as to sinking a cv that is the only fight around yeah that puts a damper on things, but I'm pretty sure there are more bases that can be fought over SOMEWHERE on a map, might have to look real hard to find em tho since they usually aren't indicated in bright letters and numbers.
Oh I think if you go back it was just a bit worse than a dirty word....every single time. But thanks for playing...boy, it gets pretty obvious how things are when you leave a squad, lmao! You guys best stay.
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hey Dadd hows it going ?
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dad is the coolest miss his "hey you guys" :salute.
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Are you paranoid because when you started drinking there was only one red con, but now, a few pints in, the red con is now a horde of red cons?
:banana: :cheers: :P
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However, you are right, they could fall under th Sadist categrory as well.
Sadists NEED victims and enjoy the pain or discomfort they cause, they are extroverts ... Psychopaths are introverts and not really even aware others or their problems, they are focused on themselves. Sociopaths - have no respect for others or any rules beyond the ones THEY make up to suit themselves ... They are also introverts, but are aware of and frustrated by the "problems" others impose on them.
Trying to use words you have heard but don't really understand just defeats your purpose and makes it hard for people to take you or your point of view seriously. And you DO have a reasonable point here. I've seen quite a few damaged personalitys around this game and HOPE it provides them either aggression therapy or at least diversion. :O
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Well its hard to classify the 'general' A-hole in aces high, because, while theres more than most would probably expect, the game mechanics offer them easy camoflauge, so its hard to say who is what exactly. Psychopath seemed to be the broadest, most encompasing term for what you generally see with the stereotypical 'a-hole'.
Not all display all of the traits of any one disorder, but they all display at least 2 traits of a psychopath. Figured it was the best term to cover the wide variaty of people in the game.
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You fail to grasp the simple fact that you're in the MA. If you appear red on my screen then that makes you fair game, regardless of what you are in. If you want to GV unmolested there is the option of creating your own arena that you can disable planes in so you can't be bombed. Asking...no, demanding, that you don't get bombed in the MA is just as silly as flying a bomber and asking a fighter not to shoot you down. Basically, suck it up and get a new tank when you get bombed.
ack-ack
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Oh I think if you go back it was just a bit worse than a dirty word....every single time. But thanks for playing...boy, it gets pretty obvious how things are when you leave a squad, lmao! You guys best stay.
If you read what I said its that you were guilty of the same exact things and not once did I really think what was said was over the top but I backed you and didn't point out that you were giving as much as you were receiving, and you needed thinker skin. Nothing major just pointing out hypocrisy. If you want to play victim in you lil world that's fine and dandy. reread over you posts in this thread sleep on it and reply after you've given careful consideration.
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For all the recent massive internet webside ad campaign that Dale persues...still, most of my friends have left due to this same lopsided arena garbage. If you are new and got swarmed 4:1 you may wish to save your money.
It's The Alamo every night, you are Davy Crockett and you have your choice of 2 fronts to get murdered on.
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If you read what I said its that you were guilty of the same exact things and not once did I really think what was said was over the top but I backed you and didn't point out that you were giving as much as you were receiving, and you needed thinker skin. Nothing major just pointing out hypocrisy. If you want to play victim in you lil world that's fine and dandy. reread over you posts in this thread sleep on it and reply after you've given careful consideration.
Killing a fight that affects about 20 players is significantly different than reporting someone for offensive crap on 200 which only affects 1. YOU need to learn the difference. It doesn't have a thing to do with a thicker skin...It has to do with affecting 1 person, in the report, or affecting 20 in the fight. Its not my fault that you aren't smart enough to know the difference in the two. The comparisons are not even close. You wanna jump on someone's bandwagon, fine but don't expect finery when you make yourself look stupid. Why don't you think about that. Just not very smart...loyal, I'll give ya that but not smart.
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Killing a fight that affects about 20 players is significantly different than reporting someone for offensive crap on 200 which only affects 1. YOU need to learn the difference. It doesn't have a thing to do with a thicker skin...It has to do with affecting 1 person, in the report, or affecting 20 in the fight. Its not my fault that you aren't smart enough to know the difference in the two. The comparisons are not even close. You wanna jump on someone's bandwagon, fine but don't expect finery when you make yourself look stupid. Why don't you think about that. Just not very smart...loyal, I'll give ya that but not smart.
there you go now you are feeling superior to others and you get to call everybody stupid, you will fit right in. fact is everybody pays the same 15 bucks and you cannot tell people what to do. if somebody wants to bomb whichever base they want, well they pay for the right to do it.
semp
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there you go now you are feeling superior to others and you get to call everybody stupid, you will fit right in. fact is everybody pays the same 15 bucks and you cannot tell people what to do. if somebody wants to bomb whichever base they want, well they pay for the right to do it.
semp
He's right. There will always be times where a countryman will do something that is counterproductive to what you want to do on the map, it's just part of the deal and we can either like it or lump it.
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there you go now you are feeling superior to others and you get to call everybody stupid, you will fit right in. fact is everybody pays the same 15 bucks and you cannot tell people what to do. if somebody wants to bomb whichever base they want, well they pay for the right to do it.
semp
I didn't tell anyone to do anything. I asked to leave the carrier up...someone said no. I laughed. It affected about 18 guys that were enjoying a fight. It wasn't one guy, wanting one thing. I just happened to be the only guy that asked to leave it up. That's it. How is that feeling superior to others? I call people stupid that act stupid...if that fits, wear it but as you lose your mind on these boards, don't make things up to put a gloss on that ridiculousness...its not that shiny.
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I like shiny things...
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Killing a fight that affects about 20 players is significantly different than reporting someone for offensive crap on 200 which only affects 1. YOU need to learn the difference. It doesn't have a thing to do with a thicker skin...It has to do with affecting 1 person, in the report, or affecting 20 in the fight. Its not my fault that you aren't smart enough to know the difference in the two. The comparisons are not even close. You wanna jump on someone's bandwagon, fine but don't expect finery when you make yourself look stupid. Why don't you think about that. Just not very smart...loyal, I'll give ya that but not smart.
I wasn't comparing the 2 and, why take that route? Once again you need thicker skin. I merely said you were a hypocrite. Go back read what I posted, I'll draw a picture in crayon if you need. Something you can easiy understand.
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Its called a hypocrite Semp, how many times did he ask the squad to report someone for using a dirty word on 200 in a discussion with him, then 10 minutes latter you see Changeup doing the exact same thing? Now as to sinking a cv that is the only fight around yeah that puts a damper on things, but I'm pretty sure there are more bases that can be fought over SOMEWHERE on a map, might have to look real hard to find em tho since they usually aren't indicated in bright letters and numbers.
Reading and coprehension, Changeup its good for you. No where in this do I compare your hypocicy and sinking the cv's to end a fight. I just merely express the fact you are one of those drama queens that likes to play victim. I merely give insight to your personality and the fact that ANYTHING you say should be taken with less than a grain of ssalt as you are a complete 200 fairy
I am waiting for the Oh-so-predictible Changeup "you dumb, me smart" response that has no bearing whatsoever to what I have posted, that Semp likes to point out.
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Is everyone's spell-check broken , or just his?
I wasn't comparing the 2 and why take that route oce again you need thinker skin. I merely said you were a hypricrite once again read what I posted Ill draw a picture in crayon if you need. Something you cna easiy understand.
Proofreading posts, especially posts made hastily, or in anger, is always a good idea. It also makes them easier to understand without any use of crayon.
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If enemy GV are just hanging around the spawn, I don't feel the need to bomb them.
If they attack on of our bases, then they get whatever I can hit them with whether bombs, rockets, cannon, manned ack, or a tank round.
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Is everyone's spell-check broken , or just his?
Proofreading posts, especially posts made hastily, or in anger, is always a good idea. It also makes them easier to understand without any use of crayon.
what's a spell check? I go back spell gud maybe add an apostrophe and a comma or 2....ok fixed. Was originally posted pre-coffee.
My good drawin' crayons are at home next to my helmet BTW.
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Reading and coprehension, Changeup its good for you. No where in this do I compare your hypocicy and sinking the cv's to end a fight. I just merely express the fact you are one of those drama queens that likes to play victim. I merely give insight to your personality and the fact that ANYTHING you say should be taken with less than a grain of ssalt as you are a complete 200 fairy
I am waiting for the Oh-so-predictible Changeup "you dumb, me smart" response that has no bearing whatsoever to what I have posted, that Semp likes to point out.
And once again you have created drama where there isnt any to make yourself look sharper than you actually are. I have no drama in this. I was merely stating facts. I will say it again only this time with more detail so you have a much more difficult time moving the story line around to suit your needs.
CV off a base that was only under threat of fighters...had been going on for an hour and a half (ask Agent360, Krup, Floatsup, Beavis) and several folks left it up because the base was not threatened. In fact, Floats upped a giant mission from the base and was wasn't under any threat during his groups lift. I asked to leave the CV up, Agent asked and a couple of others asked to leave it...the answer from Waystin was no. Simple as that. My contention is and why it isn't hypocrisy as you ridiculously claim is for the reasons below:
1. Base was under no threat. I have asked for CVs to be sunk when the base is going down. Two completely different situations. Please explain how you see this as hypocrisy. Choose carefully. One is to let 15 or 20 people keep fighting and having fun and the other is to save a base from being taken when it's being so overwhelmed players can't even get off the runway to defend it.
Try hard to stick with the initial argument...try real hard not to bring other situations that arent relevant, like reporting people etc etc. let's get this hypocrisy claim out of the way and then we can move on to your other reindeer games.
I have stated all of this already so if someone is having difficulty with reading comprehension, you need look no further than yourself.
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This is exactly like little children squabbling, and we get at least one argument like it each week :bhead truly pathetic, especially when you consider the 'Age of players' thread that was posted
HTC should just remove the CVs from the game. That's what parents are usually forced to do when kids can't play nicely and fairly with their toys.
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This is exactly like little children squabbling, and we get at least one argument like it each week :bhead truly pathetic, especially when you consider the 'Age of players' thread that was posted
HTC should just remove the CVs from the game. That's what parents are usually forced to do when kids can't play nicely and fairly with their toys.
Lmao...trolling just isn't what it used to be.
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And once again you have created drama where there isnt any to make yourself look sharper than you actually are. I have no drama in this. I was merely stating facts. I will say it again only this time with more detail so you have a much more difficult time moving the story line around to suit your needs.
CV off a base that was only under threat of fighters...had been going on for an hour and a half (ask Agent360, Krup, Floatsup, Beavis) and several folks left it up because the base was not threatened. In fact, Floats upped a giant mission from the base and was wasn't under any threat during his groups lift. I asked to leave the CV up, Agent asked and a couple of others asked to leave it...the answer from Waystin was no. Simple as that. My contention is and why it isn't hypocrisy as you ridiculously claim is for the reasons below:
1. Base was under no threat. I have asked for CVs to be sunk when the base is going down. Two completely different situations. Please explain how you see this as hypocrisy. Choose carefully. One is to let 15 or 20 people keep fighting and having fun and the other is to save a base from being taken when it's being so overwhelmed players can't even get off the runway to defend it.
Try hard to stick with the initial argument...try real hard not to bring other situations that arent relevant, like reporting people etc etc. let's get this hypocrisy claim out of the way and then we can move on to your other reindeer games.
I have stated all of this already so if someone is having difficulty with reading comprehension, you need look no further than yourself.
Changeup actually read what others post at all? The hypocracy statement has nothing to do with the CV at all, It was an example of a hypocritical act you on several occasions engaged in, as an example to take things you say with caution as you seem to remember "facts" as you see fit. Maybe I expressed that poorly but that is your personality type.
I then went on to say that sinking a cv does put a damper on things(I agreed with you) but you could always go move the fight to other feilds that are actually pretty easy to find. Yes having a fight ended by bomber sucks, but it is not hard at all to find 2 base close to each other to restart that fight.
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Changeup the hypocracy statement has nothing to do with the CV at all, It was an example of a hypocritical act you on sevceral occasions engaged in. Maybe I should have made 2 different posts what ever. I then went on to say that sinking a cv does put a damper on things(in a way I agreed with you, but you like to play victim so you took it as an attack on you) and you could always go move the fight to other feilds that are actually pretty easy to find.
I understand that and have explained it but I'd like examples of my hypocrisy. You may feel free to PM me or put it here it doesn't matter to me which. I am a lot of things but a hypocrit isn't remotely one of them.
If you are saying I'm a hypocrit because I asked you guys to report someone that was being foul on 200 and then I turn around and become foul, I would strongly consider you look at the text buffer with less creativity. Calling harmless names to incite someone to turn and fight (trolling them) or calling out a picker, vulcher, or camper is part of the game. The two occasions I've asked for a report was vile and as reprehensible filth I have seen on 200. In fact, it was lost4224 and he was out of control with his filth. Those two situations couldn't remotely be contrasted for an accusation of hypocrisy.
Your first post was to correct Semp in defining me as a hypocrit so you DID initially use the CV as an example of my alleged hypocrisy...saying you didnt is a lie. You used his example of me asking for a CV sinking vs leaving it up for the fight and then you tried to use the reporting issue to further your case which was another measured-and-left-wanting example.
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I understand that and have explained it but I'd like examples of my hypocrisy. You may feel free to PM me or put it here it doesn't matter to me which. I am a lot of things but a hypocrit isn't remotely one of them.
If you are saying I'm a hypocrit because I asked you guys to report someone that was being foul on 200 and then I turn around and become foul, I would strongly consider you look at the text buffer with less creativity. Calling harmless names to incite someone to turn and fight (trolling them) or calling out a picker, vulcher, or camper is part of the game. The two occasions I've asked for a report was vile and as reprehensible filth I have seen on 200. In fact, it was lost4224 and he was out of control with his filth. Those two situations couldn't remotely be contrasted for an accusation of hypocrisy.
Your first post was to correct Semp in defining me as a hypocrit so you DID initially use the CV as an example of my alleged hypocrisy...saying you didnt is a lie. You used his example of me asking for a CV sinking vs leaving it up for the fight and then you tried to use the reporting issue to further your case which was another measured-and-left-wanting example.
I fixed that quoted text to state what I feel rigth now, also once again go back and read the post I origianally made. Its say "AS TO SINKING A CV THAT IS THE ONLY FIGHT AROUND PUTS A DAMPER ON THINGS" not once in that Original post I made is you calling for a cv to be sunk. Me reminding Semp that you are a hypocrite is a way for me to tell him you are not worth the time and will totaly misconstrue, twist and state facts that have absolutely no bearing and on most cases you are remembering the facts wrong as you are trying to do now. I gave an example of you being a hypocrite and you basically said that I was being creative with the text buffer, that doesnt really leave much room to reply except for maybe something along the lines of maybe you should remember your creativity on the text buffer and I have infact seen you get filthy on the 200, and I remeber thinking to myself that I would never back you in reporting someone again due to your hypocracy.
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I fixed that quoted text to state what I feel rigth now, also once again go back and read the post I origianally made. Its say "AS TO SINKING A CV THAT IS THE ONLY FIGHT AROUND PUTS A DAMPER ON THINGS" not once in that Original post I made is you calling for a cv to be sunk. Me reminding Semp that you are a hypocrite is a way for me to tell him you are not worth the time and will totaly misconstrue, twist and state facts that have absolutely no bearing and on most cases you are remembering them wrong.
If English is your second language, I can completely forgive the errors and will even commend you on your effort.
If not, I weep for the future...
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If English is your second language, I can completely forgive the errors and will even commend you on your effort.
If not, I weep for the future...
I speak Amuriccan
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Now, before you argue it...make sure you understand my point. I'm not saying DON'T...I'm saying doing it makes you a dick. If people are ok killing a fight and becoming a dick...I guess their ok being a dick. :rofl
Example of filth that may be seen as over the top. 3 dicks in less than a minute. no qualms whatsoever on putting this out there on a forum thread that will be seen by more than anything that was said on 200.
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3 dicks in less than a minute.
Leave my Ex out of this...
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I fixed that quoted text to state what I feel rigth now, also once again go back and read the post I origianally made. Its say "AS TO SINKING A CV THAT IS THE ONLY FIGHT AROUND PUTS A DAMPER ON THINGS" not once in that Original post I made is you calling for a cv to be sunk. Me reminding Semp that you are a hypocrite is a way for me to tell him you are not worth the time and will totaly misconstrue, twist and state facts that have absolutely no bearing and on most cases you are remembering the facts wrong as you are trying to do now. I gave an example of you being a hypocrite and you basically said that I was being creative with the text buffer, that doesnt really leave much room to reply except for maybe something along the lines of maybe you should remember your creativity on the text buffer and I have infact seen you get filthy on the 200, and I remeber thinking to myself that I would never back you in reporting someone again due to your hypocracy.
I guess this must be your original post. I will never deny getting on someone very strongly and calling guys names on 200 but accusing me of filth is complete BS and Waystin or Syko would have never stood for any Pig acting like that on 200, no way. Further, if you didn't agree with the report you shouldn't have done it.
The Pigs are a great group...stand up all the way but you sir, aren't one of them...
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Leave my Ex out of this...
hahahaha :rofl
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A thought on hordes:
Counter them. The Germans attacked Britain with a horde. The Japs attacked Pearl Harbor with a horde. The allied 1000 bomber raid on Hamburg was an uber-horde...Desert Storm... and on...and on...
Here are two ways to counter them:
1) You organize large defensive fighter hordes. In the BOB, Leigh-Mallory experimented with the "big wings" of three to five squadrons of fighters - 36 to 60 aircraft. Pros: Air superiority, likelihood of disproportionatiely high kills to casualties Cons: Difficultly in getting organized/inflexibility. Aces High applicability: Well, a fighter force could be held on standby waiting for news of a horde. It would require the commitment of many pilots to hang out in the tower waiting for the word. It would require those same pilots to subordinate themselves to the mission commander so that the thing could be organized effectively. Conclusion: Unlikely to pull this off in AH
2) You organize squads into defensive fighter squadrons. In the BOB, Dowding was a critic of the big wings and an advocate of squadron-sized intervention. He cited flexibility as the main benefit. Pros: Large enough group to influence a horde, small enough for flexible deployment Cons: It's hard to get anyone to be disciplined in AH (unless it's FSO). Aces Hight applicability: In AH several of the larger squads regularly fly together in FSO and practice together. They likely would not object to fighting together in an organized manner. Conclusion: This second alternative is much more feasible. Squads would have to volunteer for horde-busting duty. For it to work most efficiently, there would have to be a nominated strategic commander for the country. However, that's just not going to happen unless it's FSO. So, option 2 would have some effect on the hordes, but would not be organized with enough efficiency to stop them.
Footnote: Certain members of my squad are some of the worst horde offenders. Most (like myself) rarely participate in hordes, though. I'll ask my squad if they would like to try horde busting as a squad in the main arena.
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Example of filth that may be seen as over the top. 3 dicks in less than a minute. no qualms whatsoever on putting this out there on a forum thread that will be seen by more than anything that was said on 200.
Really? Then why didn't you report it? Why didn't you report Semp for dickhandler?? Maybe you don't actually know the definition of hypocrisy. As I said, name calling or getting after someone strongly I admit to but your example is a word used in 10 guys signatures, lmao
Over the top might be your definition of filth but it's not mine, either way, you might want to get your definitions straight before you start accusing people of being hypocrites.
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Yes having a fight ended by bomber sucks, but it is not hard at all to find 2 base close to each other to restart that fight.
Define "fight" for us when you get a shot and che c k you ' re sp ace ba r .
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I guess this must be your original post. I will never deny getting on someone very strongly and calling guys names on 200 but accusing me of filth is complete BS and Waystin or Syko would have never stood for any Pig acting like that on 200, no way. Further, if you didn't agree with the report you shouldn't have done it.
The Pigs are a great group...stand up all the way but you sir, aren't one of them...
I can 't fight agaisnt someone who misremembers things, and your right I shouldn't have backed you I just didn't know how you were then. You can deny it all you want but others have heard and seen you act up on 200. I just called you out on it. Now YOU stand up and admit to your self "Yes, I can be hypocritical at times"
also just see if I will get banned for it since Dick is perfectly ok on these forums: Complaining about dicks bombing cv's and ending fights makes you a popsicle.(Ed: I didn't say "popsicle" I said P u s s y. Find it funny so I'll leave it as is.)
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If above does get me banned I guess the mods like Dick more than popsicles and let it slide.
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I can 't fight agaisnt someone who misremembers things, and your right I shouldn't have backed you I just didn't know how you were then. You can deny it all you want but others have heard and seen you act up on 200. I just called you out on it. Now YOU stand up and admit to your self "Yes, I can be hypocritical at times"
also just see if I will get banned for it since Dick is perfectly ok on these forums: Complaining about dicks bombing cv's and ending fights makes you a popsicle.(Ed: I didn't say "popsicle" I said P u s s y)
I have never denied my behavior at times on 200 but you clearly don't know me well enough to decide whether I'm trolling or serious but either way filth wasn't even close.
It must be me not remembering thi vs correctly right??? It has to be me because it couldn't possibly be you!! You remember everything exactly as it happened because you're a neurological phenomenon. Please....
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LOL Hammy :rofl
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Changeup + Nathan60= :rofl
I love watching a handbag fight :D :aok
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LOL Hammy :rofl
How funny and predictable....the gratuitous slap-on-the-back by the boss. I might have been mistaken...
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I don't mind hordes, just unfortunely my computer won't let me go near them so I stay away. However, if it seems to be running somewhat good, I'll dive into a horde with my 50s O' Death screaming!!
I remember that time the bish had about 40 planes (didn't keep count) and I did my old "Leeeeeeeeeroooooooooooooooy Jeeeeeeeeeeeeekins!" and dove right in. I got couple of kills and had about 10+ chase me. I think it was Pacer would saw that and said "you got to be kidding me!" :lol
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wow some people just need to let this go, how old are we and isnt this just a game?
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I have never denied my behavior at times on 200 but you clearly don't know me well enough to decide whether I'm trolling or serious but either way filth wasn't even close.
It must be me not remembering thi vs correctly right??? It has to be me because it couldn't possibly be you!! You remember everything exactly as it happened because you're a neurological phenomenon. Please....
You're old and need to eat more fish not just smell like them. Changeup , I know exactly how you are. I have since the day I trolled you on VOX about Oklahoma and you went waaayy of the deep end, I'm talking you went roy D. Mercer on me and told me how big of a guy you were and that you travel alot(I think it was a threat)
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PURSEFIGHT!!! :ahand
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How funny and predictable....the gratuitous slap-on-the-back by the boss. I might have been mistaken...
would you say you "mis-remembered" there old fella?
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PURSEFIGHT!!! :ahand
Its not a purse..its a satchel!
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Its not a purse..its a satchel!
I thought it was called a European HandBag?
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You're old and need to eat more fish not just smell like them. Changeup , I know exactly how you are. I have since the day I trolled you on VOX about Oklahoma and you went waaayy of the deep end, I'm talking you went roy D. Mercer on me and told me how big of a guy you were and that you travel alot(I think it was a threat)
Rotflmao!!! Who trolled who??? Saber and I were laughing our butts off at you that night. He was PMing me to keep it going...lmao!!! Yep, you know me alright!!
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would you say you "mis-remembered" there old fella?
Nope...misjudged. Do you know the difference? I can send you a link to google if you like, lmao. Geez, you aren't very good at this are ya? Being young has its drawbacks doesn't it? Lol
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Rotflmao!!! Who trolled who??? Saber and I were laughing our butts off at you that night. He was PMing me to keep it going...lmao!!! Yep, you know me alright!!
I just noticed your avatar: I remember watching that game live :D
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I just noticed your avatar: I remember watching that game live :D
That was a great game...Nolan, the old man, took it to Ventura, the young kid, lol...
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Yes, please link it also,I am way better at this than you. Kinda like Iowa State is better thank Oklahoma.
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Yes, please link it also,I am way better at this than you. Kinda like Iowa State is better thank Oklahoma.
Iowa State lost to Oklahoma...Baylor and Texas Tech beat Oklahoma....lmfao!!! You certainly are better than me at this, lol
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Yes, please link it also,I am way better at this than you. Kinda like Iowa State is better thank Oklahoma.
:huh
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Iowa State lost to Oklahoma...Baylor and Texas Tech beat Oklahoma....lmfao!!!
I know
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I know
Ok...lmao!! I can't wait to hear this explanation...
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Hahahaha....this ones done!! At least you didn't make up some inexcusable drivel that obviously would have been transparent skirt-lifting, lol
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LOL you are sooo right about this being over
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=trolling
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LOL you are sooo right about this being over
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=trolling
How weakly predictable....oh man, *sigh*
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How weakly predictable....oh man, *sigh*
Once again you're about as Right as Barney Frank.
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Once, again you're about as far Right as Barney Frank.
Are you Googling for responses again? That smells a lot like what I've been told the bottom of the barrel smells like. Please dont change your in-game name. Everytime I see I will laugh my bellybutton off and everyone needs a good laugh.
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This is better than being bored on a Monday after a long weekend :aok
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This is better than being bored on a Monday after a long weekend :aok
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I know it...I took the day off and was bored. Hamm doesn't swim around the bait and leave...I didn't even need to set the hook!
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This is better than being bored on a Monday after a long weekend :aok
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Ha, I am getting paid for this. Changeup, if you can find "Right as Barny Frank" anywhere on google. I'll actually do work today. That ironically involves proofreading.
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Just gonna put this here
also just see if I will get banned for it since Dick is perfectly ok on these forums: Complaining about dicks bombing cv's and ending fights makes you a popsicle.(Ed: I didn't say "popsicle" I said P u s s y. Find it funny so I'll leave it as is.)
Cuz I really wanna know.
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Ha, I am getting paid for this. Changeup, if you can find "Right as Barny Frank" anywhere on google. I'll actually do work today. That ironically involves proofreading.
Von Messa,
See? He can't stop! Lol...he actually thinks I would or care enough to google something he says...Funnnnn! :rofl :rofl
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Ok, you win. On lunch, morining wasted,off in 3 hrs mission accomplished.
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Ok, you win
I know this...
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OK who said purse fight???
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Changeup i think what everyone is saying and I am sure alot of people think the same thing is, IF ITS RED ITS DEAD! If I find a CV off shore of one of my bases I will do everything to sink it, I don't care what others think of me. If I see a mass horde coming to a base i will up and try to defend it to the best of my abilities. If I see GV's and I have a bomb, they can play catch with me... I dont care what anyone thinks of me.
LawnDart
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In regards of CV being sunk and the fun ends. My thought is simple. If it is there, use it or lose it (while defending against buffs, those are what the guns on it are for)
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The CV has guns??? :bhead now I know why i get shot down..
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And once again you have created drama where there isnt any to make yourself look sharper than you actually are. I have no drama in this. I was merely stating facts. I will say it again only this time with more detail so you have a much more difficult time moving the story line around to suit your needs.
CV off a base that was only under threat of fighters...had been going on for an hour and a half (ask Agent360, Krup, Floatsup, Beavis) and several folks left it up because the base was not threatened. In fact, Floats upped a giant mission from the base and was wasn't under any threat during his groups lift. I asked to leave the CV up, Agent asked and a couple of others asked to leave it...the answer from Waystin was no. Simple as that. My contention is and why it isn't hypocrisy as you ridiculously claim is for the reasons below:
1. Base was under no threat. I have asked for CVs to be sunk when the base is going down. Two completely different situations. Please explain how you see this as hypocrisy. Choose carefully. One is to let 15 or 20 people keep fighting and having fun and the other is to save a base from being taken when it's being so overwhelmed players can't even get off the runway to defend it.
Try hard to stick with the initial argument...try real hard not to bring other situations that arent relevant, like reporting people etc etc. let's get this hypocrisy claim out of the way and then we can move on to your other reindeer games.
I have stated all of this already so if someone is having difficulty with reading comprehension, you need look no further than yourself.
because just as easy as you are only dogfighting it can turn into a base take. what happens when all the ack is gone and vulching begins? or you honestly can tell me that vulching given the opportunity wont begin, or that if no fighters are upping there then people begins to blow up the town?
a dogfighting situation will turn into a base take in no time. we did it last night many times, we went for a good furball we killed them, then we vulched, then we took the base. then we moved to the next base. it's not a biggie, given the oportunity the rooks/bishops would have done the same to us. but of course you can guarantee that a base wont be taken because you are only dogfighting right?
semp
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because just as easy as you are only dogfighting it can turn into a base take. what happens when all the ack is gone and vulching begins? or you honestly can tell me that vulching given the opportunity wont begin, or that if no fighters are upping there then people begins to blow up the town?
a dogfighting situation will turn into a base take in no time. we did it last night many times, we went for a good furball we killed them, then we vulched, then we took the base. then we moved to the next base. it's not a biggie, given the oportunity the rooks/bishops would have done the same to us. but of course you can guarantee that a base wont be taken because you are only dogfighting right?
semp
Nope, I cant guarantee that...but that's why I called you in so many times before, lmao! It was a nice furball for a while, guys started logging back to real life, the furball got out of control in the enemy's favor and you came in and sank it. A couple of hours of fun furballing that got out of control at the end and you saved the base. Same thing would have happened the other night I suspect...any player can tell when the base furballers are getting overwhelmed...I was only asking to let it get closer to that point so 20 guys can have some fun... :aok
And if you are being honest Semp, one of the biggest reasons why it turns into a base take when the Pigs are doing it is because that squad is big enough to control the tempo of just about any fight out of shear numbers...I know because I was in that squad so that isn't a very good example.
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This is better than being bored on a Monday after a long weekend :aok
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O' wait!!! :banana: :banana: :banana:
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OK who said purse fight???
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Changeup i think what everyone is saying and I am sure alot of people think the same thing is, IF ITS RED ITS DEAD! If I find a CV off shore of one of my bases I will do everything to sink it, I don't care what others think of me. If I see a mass horde coming to a base i will up and try to defend it to the best of my abilities. If I see GV's and I have a bomb, they can play catch with me... I dont care what anyone thinks of me.
LawnDart
I understand what everyone is saying. Its the same principal of asking someone if they need help before jumping into 1 v 1...some guys want the fight, win or lose and they don't want anyone interrupting it. I ask almost everytime before picking someone in that situation...just because I think its the right thing to do. It doesn't mean that everyone else should do it. I asked, Waystin answered. Nuff said. I think killing a fight where a bunch of guys are having a good time is salamanderish, I think interrupting a 1 v 1 to save someone that wants to fight it out is salamanderish...it in no way means I'm right...I think people should ask is all. IMO, just because it's red doesn't mean it needs to die just yet....or just because I want it to. :salute
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So basically if you are in a fight with 15 other green guys and 20 red guys because a CV is there it is our responsibility to ask on country " Can I sink the CV or do I leave it alone?" Because I will personally sink the dammed thing regardless. I am here to do what i want, when I want no matter who likes what i do. They do it to us so WTF I will do the same.
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So basically if you are in a fight with 15 other green guys and 20 red guys because a CV is there it is our responsibility to ask on country " Can I sink the CV or do I leave it alone?" Because I will personally sink the dammed thing regardless. I am here to do what i want, when I want no matter who likes what i do. They do it to us so WTF I will do the same.
:rofl :rofl
this is a very LAME way of thinking. :aok
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I think killing a fight where a bunch of guys are having a good time is salamanderish,
Hypothetically speaking, if one is in position to kill the CV, and one asks if it is desirable to kill the CV, what happens if he gets conflicting instructions?
Does it need to be unanimous? If not, is a simple majority enough? Should the voting be done via PM so people aren't influenced by the votes of the others in the fight? Do the people who get shot down while submitting their vote still count?
If people are going to come to a consensus on this, they need to set some ground rules.
Wiley.
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Well INK isnt it true? When your country men have a CV off shore doesn't the horde do everything possible to sink it and end the fight?? From what I am reading Changeup wants everyone to leave them alone so as to have a furball fight. I just figured I would express the truth as to what alot of people do in the MA.
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I am here to do what i want, when I want no matter who likes what i do. They do it to us so WTF I will do the same.
I will say it again for those of you that are bound and determined to be S L O W and who believe they are somehow getting larger gonads by appearing to dogpile one guy's concept.
Its what I do and its what I think is right. A fight that a bunch of guys are involved in gets killed because of a guy like you who believes the quote above is the right way to be. I'm saying its not WHAT I WOULD DO BECAUSE I THINK THAT ATTITUDE IS COMPLETE AND UTTER BULL^&IT. That attitude makes everything in the game about YOU. While I understand that you are that kind of person, it doesn't make you right and me wrong...it just makes you....well, you, lmao! Like I said, I asked and Waystin said NO, sink it. Ok...I think its lameass stuff...you gonna tell me how I should feel now?
Carry the hell on with that! I hope it works out for you :rock
Changeup
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Well INK isnt it true? When your country men have a CV off shore doesn't the horde do everything possible to sink it and end the fight?? From what I am reading Changeup wants everyone to leave them alone so as to have a furball fight. I just figured I would express the truth as to what alot of people do in the MA.
And what YOU would do...others be damned right? I mean that's what you said....I can quote it for you if you like. Its only a couple of lines up...
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Hypothetically speaking, if one is in position to kill the CV, and one asks if it is desirable to kill the CV, what happens if he gets conflicting instructions?
Does it need to be unanimous? If not, is a simple majority enough? Should the voting be done via PM so people aren't influenced by the votes of the others in the fight? Do the people who get shot down while submitting their vote still count?
If people are going to come to a consensus on this, they need to set some ground rules.
Wiley.
Wiley,
I understand the argument you are trying to make and to some degree I agree with it. However, any reasonable person would be able to look at the fight and listen to VOX and make a determination on whether things are out of hand or if 14 guys are upping from the field while 12 guys are inbound with green guys giving them hell, how far the CV is from shore, the time it takes for the incoming cons to get to the target while climbing to alt, etc etc etc.
In any case, if some guys are already inbound to sink the CV because we just took the port that CV belongs to, cool....I'm not trying to ask anyone to manage the exceptions because those are not going to get managed...but ruining a good fight just because you CAN? Come on bro...you've been playing this game for long enough to know the difference. I've flown around and with you a lot and I am certain you get it.
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To sink a CV or not... Both arguements are as valid as each other, under the anything goes MA rules.
You guys are going around in circles.
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I am here to do what i want, when I want no matter who likes what i do. They do it to us so WTF I will do the same.
WOW! :uhoh just, WOW :(
I HOPE this is your EffedUp attitude in this GAME only, and not life in general....but Id give odds against that.
Prime example of why we should take after Isreal and force everyone to do atleast 2-3years in the military.
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WOW! :uhoh just, WOW :(
I HOPE this is your EffedUp attitude in this GAME only, and not life in general....but Id give odds against that.
Prime example of why we should take after Isreal and force everyone to do atleast 2-3years in the military.
:old: :neener: elfy
The main reason I said that was because Change said basically we should ask permission to sink a CV. It is my attitude in life also, I don't care what people think of me. If you wanna judge me for a 1 minute meeting then that is up to you, but the people who know me, know I would bend over backwards to help a fellow AHer out no matter the cost to me. But I feel it is ridiculous that we have to ask to sink a CV to bust up a horde attack on a base.
BTW I did serve in the USMC for 4.5 years.
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So, how many more pages until someone points out the differences and difficulties (or as others would classify them - mental deficiencies) facing one player determined/assigned to destroy a single moving CV (8500 lbs, yes?) and a single player determined/assigned to destroy 2-4 stationary ordnance bunkers (like 100lbs/strafable, right?)?
Given that situation and two random players on a mission, ontop of taking into account this now almost 24-page thread, and we can assume that one of the two players involved here has been waiting around at the short bus stop a lot longer than the other.
Edit: correction, page 24 - ding.
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So, how many more pages until someone points out the difficulties (or as others would classify them - mental deficiencies) facing one player determined/assigned to destroy a single moving CV (8500 lbs, yes?) and a single player determined/assigned to destroy 2-4 stationary ordnance bunkers (like 100lbs/strafable, right?)?
Given that situation and two random players on a mission, ontop of taking into account this now almost 24-page thread, and we can assume that one of the two players involved here has been waiting around at the short bus stop a lot longer than the other.
Edit: correction, page 24 - ding.
Given that the difficulty you have brought up has already been mentioned and addressed and you missed it tells me that there's another short-bus rider waiting to lick windows once he boards said bus....just sayin
EDIT: DING
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To sink a CV or not... Both arguements are as valid as each other, under the anything goes MA rules.
You guys are going around in circles.
True....sadly, very true
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...but ruining a good fight just because you CAN?
I'll grant you that point wholeheartedly, I agree that aggressively ruining peoples' fun sucks. Other than the occasional glaring example though, how often does that actually happen?
The problem is there's no overarching unity among the people on a country, and there never will be. You've got everything from guys that want to horde up and roll bases unopposed to guys who want to furball endlessly to guys who want to up buffs alone, climb to alt, fly over something and blow it up, to guys who want to 'furball' endlessly at TT to gods know what else...
One person's 'ruining a good fight' is another person's 'saving a deacked field with the town almost white flagged.' IE- The guy dropping the bombs might think he's saving the base. In reality, he might actually BE saving the base.
Wiley.
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I'll grant you that point wholeheartedly, I agree that aggressively ruining peoples' fun sucks. Other than the occasional glaring example though, how often does that actually happen?
The problem is there's no overarching unity among the people on a country, and there never will be. You've got everything from guys that want to horde up and roll bases unopposed to guys who want to furball endlessly to guys who want to up buffs alone, climb to alt, fly over something and blow it up, to guys who want to 'furball' endlessly at TT to gods know what else...
One person's 'ruining a good fight' is another person's 'saving a deacked field with the town almost white flagged.' IE- The guy dropping the bombs might think he's saving the base. In reality, he might actually BE saving the base.
Wiley.
True...all true.
It just never hurts to ask I suppose. I will keep asking for the guys that are enjoying themselves, me included.
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True...all true.
It just never hurts to ask I suppose. I will keep asking for the guys that are enjoying themselves, me included.
Then again this whole thing might be a gigantic troll and we really should bomb every cv we see especially if it's a lit cv with no group around it and no, it don't hurt to ask but don't be surprised if it does happen.
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Then again this whole thing might be a gigantic troll and we really should bomb every cv we see especially if it's a lit cv with no group around it and no, it don't hurt to ask but don't be surprised if it does happen.
Your commentary was sooo absolutely necessary. You do have a knack for stating the obvious don't you? Thanks for the heads up...I will try really, really hard NOT to be surprised, lmao! :rofl :rofl
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Then again this whole thing might be a gigantic troll and we really should bomb every cv we see especially if it's a lit cv with no group around it and no, it don't hurt to ask but don't be surprised if it does happen.
All of you should immediately push a finger down the front of your pants, If your finger goes IN then stay and continue posting in this thread. If your finger is blocked by something then get out and shunn the drama :aok
JUGgler
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All of you should immediately push a finger down the front of your pants, If your finger goes IN then stay and continue posting in this thread. If your finger is blocked by something then get out and shunn the drama :aok
JUGgler
Now that was funny.
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All of you should immediately push a finger down the front of your pants, If your finger goes IN then stay and continue posting in this thread. If your finger is blocked by something then get out and shunn the drama :aok
JUGgler
How dare you interrupt my troll thread! What the hell is wrong with you? I don't bother you when you are playing romance the sheep?
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All of you should immediately push a finger down the front of your pants, If your finger goes IN then stay and continue posting in this thread. If your finger is blocked by something then get out and shunn the drama :aok
JUGgler
I was in an absolute panick when I tried that and my finger went in, then I read the instructions again and it said the "front" of you pants, so I guess I'm ok, 'cept my finger smells bad.
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I was in an absolute panick when I tried that and my finger went in, then I read the instructions again and it said the "front" of you pants, so I guess I'm ok, 'cept my finger smells bad.
that's cause you wear your pants backwards, I keep telling you, they're not underwear that you can use 4 days in a row :uhoh.
semp
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All of you should immediately push a finger down the front of your pants, If your finger goes IN then stay and continue posting in this thread. If your finger is blocked by something then get out and shunn the drama :aok
JUGgler
lol to funny JUGgler
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So basically if you are in a fight with 15 other green guys and 20 red guys because a CV is there it is our responsibility to ask on country " Can I sink the CV or do I leave it alone?" Because I will personally sink the dammed thing regardless. I am here to do what i want, when I want no matter who likes what i do. They do it to us so WTF I will do the same.
Your moving closer to the head of the cartoon line with comments like this! You meant to tell me you can't fly over a battle like this and tell that it is nothing more than a furbal? On top of that you would STILL sink the CV because we know that what you want to do is far more important than what the 40 or so people having a good time are doing.
So, how many more pages until someone points out the differences and difficulties (or as others would classify them - mental deficiencies) facing one player determined/assigned to destroy a single moving CV (8500 lbs, yes?) and a single player determined/assigned to destroy 2-4 stationary ordnance bunkers (like 100lbs/strafable, right?)?
Given that situation and two random players on a mission, on top of taking into account this now almost 24-page thread, and we can assume that one of the two players involved here has been waiting around at the short bus stop a lot longer than the other.
Edit: correction, page 24 - ding.
Furballers don't carry bombs, most don't carry that much fuel. Furballs are quick intense fights that unfortunately last shorter and shorter amounts of time these days due to people feeling the need to "help". A furballer isn't going to waste the time to bomb anything, the fight will most likely be over before he gets back anyway, so there really isn't any point.
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Your moving closer to the head of the cartoon line with comments like this! You meant to tell me you can't fly over a battle like this and tell that it is nothing more than a furbal? On top of that you would STILL sink the CV because we know that what you want to do is far more important than what the 40 or so people having a good time are doing.
Furballers don't carry bombs, most don't carry that much fuel. Furballs are quick intense fights that unfortunately last shorter and shorter amounts of time these days due to people feeling the need to "help". A furballer isn't going to waste the time to bomb anything, the fight will most likely be over before he gets back anyway, so there really isn't any point.
99.99 percent of the people in a furball dont carry troops and yet a base can be taken with a single guy in a goon/lvt/m3. you dont need bombs to take the town down, hell you dont even need 20mm cannons. hell i can fly over a vtard mission and not see a single goon or bomber and you expect me to believe they're just gonna furball? hell if it's red and it's next to or over our airfield as far as I know they're trying to take it. you want proof? the so called furballers will come into the field and kill ords/ack/vh/fh and whatever they can get their hands on. at least 1/3 of the people taking off a cv will bring bombs. that is of course unless we knghts are the exception.
juggler, I respect most of your opinions believe it or not, but your comments above are the dumbest one you ever made and that is hard to do.
semp
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I almost never uped heavy unless I was hitting ordnance or uncamping a spawn or something like that. Of course when when I did up heavy, I usually took a Ju-88 in the Jabo role and did it up brown.
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99.99 percent of the people in a furball dont carry troops and yet a base can be taken with a single guy in a goon/lvt/m3. you dont need bombs to take the town down, hell you dont even need 20mm cannons. hell i can fly over a vtard mission and not see a single goon or bomber and you expect me to believe they're just gonna furball? hell if it's red and it's next to or over our airfield as far as I know they're trying to take it. you want proof? the so called furballers will come into the field and kill ords/ack/vh/fh and whatever they can get their hands on. at least 1/3 of the people taking off a cv will bring bombs. that is of course unless we knghts are the exception.
juggler, I respect most of your opinions believe it or not, but your comments above are the dumbest one you ever made and that is hard to do.
semp
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lol, how did you drag me into this one? WOW
Awesome
JUGgler
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Not all display all of the traits of any one disorder, but they all display at least 2 traits of a psychopath. Figured it was the best term to cover the wide variaty of people in the game.
OK, but psycopathy is, like most mental conditions an EXAGERATION of NORMAL behavior, it's not a DEFECT until it becomes a dominant personality factor. Calling someone defective just because they express strong self interest is a mistake ... In the context of this GAME we are ALL Psycopaths intent on ending the existance of others to enhance our personal self image.
Do your thing, don't let anyone tell you you can't, but allow others the same priveledge, if you don't like what someone or some group is doing, go elsewhere. Sticking around and getting upset is just punishment you are inflicting on yourself. It's OK to have fun ... There's a lot of it here ... Find some ... :pray
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Do your thing, don't let anyone tell you you can't, but allow others the same priveledge, if you don't like what someone or some group is doing, go elsewhere. Sticking around and getting upset is just punishment you are inflicting on yourself. It's OK to have fun ... There's a lot of it here ... Find some ... :pray
Now THOSE are words to live by :aok
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OK, but psycopathy is, like most mental conditions an EXAGERATION of NORMAL behavior, it's not a DEFECT until it becomes a dominant personality factor. Calling someone defective just because they express strong self interest is a mistake ... In the context of this GAME we are ALL Psycopaths intent on ending the existance of others to enhance our personal self image.
Do your thing, don't let anyone tell you you can't, but allow others the same priveledge, if you don't like what someone or some group is doing, go elsewhere. Sticking around and getting upset is just punishment you are inflicting on yourself. It's OK to have fun ... There's a lot of it here ... Find some ... :pray
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99.99 percent of the people in a furball dont carry troops and yet a base can be taken with a single guy in a goon/lvt/m3. you dont need bombs to take the town down, hell you dont even need 20mm cannons. hell i can fly over a vtard mission and not see a single goon or bomber and you expect me to believe they're just gonna furball? hell if it's red and it's next to or over our airfield as far as I know they're trying to take it. you want proof? the so called furballers will come into the field and kill ords/ack/vh/fh and whatever they can get their hands on. at least 1/3 of the people taking off a cv will bring bombs. that is of course unless we knghts are the exception.
juggler, I respect most of your opinions believe it or not, but your comments above are the dumbest one you ever made and that is hard to do.
semp
semp
Semp...
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Given that the difficulty you have brought up has already been mentioned and addressed and you missed it tells me that there's another short-bus rider waiting to lick windows once he boards said bus....just sayin
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Seriously :huh what's so difficult about it? Unless you're saying it is difficult to sink a CV, too.
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99.99 percent of the people in a furball dont carry troops and yet a base can be taken with a single guy in a goon/lvt/m3. you dont need bombs to take the town down, hell you dont even need 20mm cannons. hell i can fly over a vtard mission and not see a single goon or bomber and you expect me to believe they're just gonna furball? hell if it's red and it's next to or over our airfield as far as I know they're trying to take it. you want proof? the so called furballers will come into the field and kill ords/ack/vh/fh and whatever they can get their hands on. at least 1/3 of the people taking off a cv will bring bombs. that is of course unless we knghts are the exception.
juggler, I respect most of your opinions believe it or not, but your comments above are the dumbest one you ever made and that is hard to do.
semp
semp
OK I'll give you a clue to go by, if the fight is happening about halfway between two bases, or a base and a cv it's a furbal and people are having fun.
If the fight is happening over a base it is a really poor attempt at taking the base and the lemmings will EVENTUALLY get in a goon, feel free to take down the hangers and "help" :rolleyes:
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Seriously :huh what's so difficult about it? Unless you're saying it is difficult to sink a CV, too.
You were talking about the difficulty of the situation, not sinking CVs...check your original post again
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OK I'll give you a clue to go by, if the fight is happening about halfway between two bases, or a base and a cv it's a furbal and people are having fun.
If the fight is happening over a base it is a really poor attempt at taking the base and the lemmings will EVENTUALLY get in a goon, feel free to take down the hangers and "help" :rolleyes:
you ever seen me bomb hangars? there's a reason why I never do. I cant hit them.
btw vjuggler you ever notice how there's lots of red cons and green cons all mixed up low on the floor? it's called a furball and you have ruined plenty of them by bringing your 262, you ever thought about how you ruined the fun for lots of guys? you havent done it lately but you have ruined plenty of fights.
it's just a matter of opinions, we can go back and forth about what is right/wrong thing to do during a furball. but it all comes down to, there is no right/wrong thing to do.
semp
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juggler, I respect most of your opinions believe it or not, but your comments above are the dumbest one you ever made and that is hard to do.
semp
semp
I agree with semp semp!!!!
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you ever seen me bomb hangars? there's a reason why I never do. I cant hit them.
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i do agree with everytime there is a good furrball going sooner or later the 262's show up, low on the deck looking for some poor sap not paying attention, or diving in at mach speed then exrending away.
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don't worry changeup, he might have to kill you in a 1v1.. after all the only people who can beat him are "agent360 and dragonh5" (his words, no joke)!
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You've been here for how long? "Game has always been this way" comment is based on how much time?
He is correct, it has always been that way.
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The main reason I said that was because Change said basically we should ask permission to sink a CV. It is my attitude in life also, I don't care what people think of me. If you wanna judge me for a 1 minute meeting then that is up to you, but the people who know me, know I would bend over backwards to help a fellow AHer out no matter the cost to me. But I feel it is ridiculous that we have to ask to sink a CV to bust up a horde attack on a base.
BTW I did serve in the USMC for 4.5 years.
Looks to me like he is still serving here at home as a fire fighter too. ebfd11, me thinks you ought to consider things a bit more before slamming out a reply. I know lawndart and he is one of the best people around, period, regardless of the game. I note you did not tell us where you've served and what you do now in RL.
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Zoom, it takes skill to fly a 262 not just propperly in the middle of a furball, but also effectivly.
I have high respect for the pilots that can do so, as they have a level of situation awarness (both at the imediate-area level and strategic level), the intimate understanding of their enemy's mind to accuratly guess what they will do ahead of time, and a knowledge and feel for deflection shooting, that I myself will probably never attain.
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Looks to me like he is still serving here at home as a fire fighter too. ebfd11, me thinks you ought to consider things a bit more before slamming out a reply. I know lawndart and he is one of the best people around, period, regardless of the game. I note you did not tell us where you've served and what you do now in RL.
ebfd11 is lawndart.
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Zoom, it takes skill to fly a 262 not just propperly in the middle of a furball, but also effectivly.
I have high respect for the pilots that can do so, as they have a level of situation awarness (both at the imediate-area level and strategic level), the intimate understanding of their enemy's mind to accuratly guess what they will do ahead of time, and a knowledge and feel for deflection shooting, that I myself will probably never attain.
really that's almost laughable wait.................. it is :rofl ok lord of the skies why dont you ever see 262's fighting 262's ? wait ... wait... i know there an EQUAL match so why risk it. what other reason is there not to 1 v 1 in 262's the only times i have ever seen 1v1 262's is during FREE jet week in the AvA and i will say Grizz rocked in his 262 in there and it was a pleasure watching him fight in one. but i'll wait for your answer Nemisis
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Looks to me like he is still serving here at home as a fire fighter too. ebfd11, me thinks you ought to consider things a bit more before slamming out a reply. I know lawndart and he is one of the best people around, period, regardless of the game. I note you did not tell us where you've served and what you do now in RL.
I love you Razor... and I am sorry if I offended you but that is my thought n the whole situation..
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don't worry changeup, he might have to kill you in a 1v1.. after all the only people who can beat him are "agent360 and dragonh5" (his words, no joke)!
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:huh
Oh Slashy-poohhhhhh.............why you making your "pull it out i gotta poop face" at the poor bunny???????????
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I have seen 262's fighting 262's, supprisingly often compared to what I expected to, based on their usage. Part of the rarity is no because its much riskier, as you said, but only part.
The other part is that fights that not only create a good enviornment for 262's, but create an enviornment that is equally favorable for 262's from either side, make up only a tiny fraction of a fraction of the total fights. This means there is a relative lack of situations that have a higher chance of creating 262 fights.
Take into account the chance of 2 skilled (and ballsy) 262 pilots being on at the same time, on the two countries that are taking part in the fight, and both being aware of the favorable conditions. By then the odds of seeing a spontaneous 262 fight are even lower.
Finally, take into account the odds of YOU being not just online, but also on one of the two countries, AND at the same fight AT THE SAME TIME, and you'll see why you almost never see 262 vs 262 fights.
Yeah, not a lot of 262 pilots have the skills (or the confidence at least) to fight a 262 or effecivly engage a horde. Yeah, most are just looking to grab a few kills and get their name in lights. Yeah, they make up the majority. But that doesn't mean there aren't exceptions to the rules. And its those pilots that make up the more skilled minority that I respect.
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:huh
you missed it, Tues. night semp announced on 200 that the only a few people can beat him in a 1v1. He provided a very short list which included agent360 and dragonh5.
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Hmm semp you keep refering to me in this thread for some reason even to insult me as vjuggler so I'll respond to you :aok
You seem to have uber issues with 262s running around "ruining fights" as you say, yet I will guarantee most peeps in here have fewer issues with jets than with timid pony girls "like yourself" running around picking everything that is fighting something else. I can guarantee you I'm one of the best in a jet, it is cause I don't care if I lose it :aok I never pass up a jet fight, unfortunately most peeps will only risk their jet when they have the help of friendly prop planes in the area.
You are the quintisential picker in this game, pick the edges never risk anything, when your bait is gone you flee not to be seen again until there is more bait.
My post in this thread was just a silly light hearted attempt to disrupt it. I could care less with what ever this silly thread was ever about in the 1st place.
I have returned to the game last night, we could duel and you can work out whatever about me is driving you crazy! You should take advantage of this offer soon before my timing and gunnery returns :aok
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you missed it, Tues. night semp announced on 200 that the only a few people can beat him in a 1v1. He provided a very short list which included agent360 and dragonh5.
no see what an idiot you are, I said there's a few people I can never beat, agent and dragonh5 are some of them.
but thanks for lying about it.
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So the thread changed from crying about too many enemies to crying about a few enemies with jets???
Don't fear the 262, it was a good plane but it's not invincible.
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So the thread changed from crying about too many enemies to crying about a few enemies with jets???
Don't fear the 262, it was a good plane but it's not invincible.
meh 262's can ruin a good red guy green guy fights, and i agree there not invincible, you just have to plan your dive right to catch them.
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no see what an idiot you are, I said there's a few people I can never beat, agent and dragonh5 are some of them.
but thanks for lying about it.
semp
it definitely seemed like you were saying they were the only ones that could win against ya.
and I laughed myself about it....I would love to take ya to DA :aok
I have a feeling the out come would not be to your liking.
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it definitely seemed like you were saying they were the only ones that could win against ya.
and I laughed myself about it....I would love to take ya to DA :aok
I have a feeling the out come would not be to your liking.
Its that damned Canadian accent of his always throwing people off.
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no see what an idiot you are, I said there's a few people I can never beat, agent and dragonh5 are some of them.
:rofl semp calling me an idiot :rofl :rofl
btw don't get your panties in a bunch, you said it.... Hey ink did you get a screen capture of it?, It was one of the more comedic moments of the night.
here maybe what you 'intended' to say is...
The only pilots I can never pick are agent360 and dragonh5....
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I love you Razor... and I am sorry if I offended you but that is my thought n the whole situation..
Doh, I meant that for the guy that was questioning you Dart. I got the wrong quote in there. Ok, stupid me. Note to self, leave posting to the professionals... :headscratch:
Anyway, I meant what I said, LawnDart is tops in my book :salute
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wow how many more pages of chest thumping are you going to have? i mean really i think this thread has gone way off topic :salute
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I fought once against Semp.
I was in a 110c, had a fun little turnfight against SF and an f4u i cant remember his name.
Semp jumped in and played the "attempt-extend" game.
A bit too many from this type of players theese days... on both sides.
As for DragonH5 and Agent: they are pretty good, respectable players, but no invincible gods. In my experience Dragon will turn with you in anything vs anything so idk how you couldnt shoot him down...
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I fought once against Semp.
I was in a 110c, had a fun little turnfight against SF and an f4u i cant remember his name.
Semp jumped in and played the "attempt-extend" game.
A bit too many from this type of players theese days... on both sides.
As for DragonH5 and Agent: they are pretty good, respectable players, but no invincible gods. In my experience Dragon will turn with you in anything vs anything so idk how you couldnt shoot him down...
Oh good point, I meant nothing against Agent or Dragonh5, both are fun players to fight and fly with.
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theres alot of players in this game that are great pilots alot of them are Muppets alot of them are Pigs alot of them are the Few and so on and so on BUT everyones capable of dweebery at times given current situations wither in game or in real life, i fly so under the radar at times i think i'm invisable to players never get insulting PM's lol maybe i aint just that good after all these years. :headscratch:
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I want to see how many more pages this will go before it gets locked up, actually :lol
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it definitely seemed like you were saying they were the only ones that could win against ya.
and I laughed myself about it....I would love to take ya to DA :aok
I have a feeling the out come would not be to your liking.
no i dont think so, i have seen your movies, i am not messing with you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFvl7_q51ew
semp
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you missed it, Tues. night semp announced on 200 that the only a few people can beat him in a 1v1. He provided a very short list which included agent360 and dragonh5.
here bunnies, i found the film. as you can clearly see, i didnt say it, but i was wrong. irishone said it and as you can see the sarcasm. and of course you knew it as you went along :salute
semp
(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr285/semperac/irishone-1.png)
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here bunnies, i found the film. as you can clearly see, i didnt say it, but i was wrong. irishone said it and as you can see the sarcasm. and of course you knew it as you went along :salute
semp
(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr285/semperac/irishone-1.png)
The comment I was referring too was not posted in the screen shot captures you posted.
IrishOne's comment "ill 1v1 anyone but semp. he owns everyone in a 1v1" was in response to the statement I claim you made at an earlier point in the night.
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The comment I was referring too was not posted in the screen shot captures you posted.
IrishOne's comment "ill 1v1 anyone but semp. he owns everyone in a 1v1" was in response to the statement I claim you made.
would you like me to send you the film so you can see the entire conversation?
semp
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would you like me to send you the film so you can see the entire conversation?
semp
sure, send it to me...(check your pms for my email)
I believe it was said ~10 min before that conversation.
EDIT: PM sent
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sure, send it to me...(check your pms for my email)
I believe it was said ~10 min before that conversation.
EDIT: PM sent
why dont you just say 2 hours before.
semp
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why dont you just say 2 hours before.
semp
Was it 2 hours before? All I know is it was before that conversation, same night. I have not received the film, I don't know long your film is.
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Was it 2 hours before? All I know is it was before that conversation, same night. I have not received the film, I don't know long your film is.
see how you are full of it, giving yourself a way out. film is only about 10 min long and the conversation was 5 min into it. many times i have said that that dragon/agent and several others are some of the ones i can never kill. but i have never said that they are the only ones that can kill me, two different statements.
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Don't fear the 262, it was a good plane but it's not invincible.
The Hordez taught me how to fight them ... Most 262 jocks avoid head-ons (might scratch their pretty perk). The trick is just to turn into them and maintain enough e to pull up and meet them HO ... they'll avoid, so try for a passing shot, fill the air in front of them with a wall of lead they have to fly thru ... (fairly easily done) and you may smoke them or occassionally get a kill ... They don't usually come back - but if they DO ... just repeat the process. It's a fairly fragile bird especially if you hit an engine. :devil
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The Hordez taught me how to fight them ... Most 262 jocks avoid head-ons (might scratch their pretty perk). The trick is just to turn into them and maintain enough e to pull up and meet them HO ... they'll avoid, so try for a passing shot, fill the air in front of them with a wall of lead they have to fly thru ... (fairly easily done) and you may smoke them or occassionally get a kill ... They don't usually come back - but if they DO ... just repeat the process. It's a fairly fragile bird especially if you hit an engine. :devil
wow way to ho
It just feels sooooo good when a horde munkey keeps telling you how to ho with the only nearby red guy. How cool it is... You da man buddy.
Would be curious whats your in-game name.
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see how you are full of it, giving yourself a way out. film is only about 10 min long and the conversation was 5 min into it. many times i have said that that dragon/agent and several others are some of the ones i can never kill. but i have never said that they are the only ones that can kill me, two different statements.
semp
Lol projecting on me again?
U didnt even send me the film! You are prob editing right now to save face.
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Lol projecting on me again?
U didnt even send me the film! You are prob editing right now to save face.
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wow way to ho - It just feels sooooo good when a horde munkey keeps telling you how to ho with the only nearby red guy. How cool it is... You da man buddy. Would be curious whats your in-game name.
Geeze, I hope you're a nit .... I havn't actually JOINED a mission in a while, I fly escort for em when I'm in the mood. Usually a 51 as it's easier to be mistaken for a poor clueless poney dope by the killer bees. DID I SCRATCH YOUR JET ? Sorry Sport ... Normally I avoid HOs too, a dip and a fake that rolls into a low deflection firing solution is relatively easy and keeps the pony nice and shiney. At the rate most 262s are moving when passing thu they can't hit anything that makes an avoidance move anyway. They're just scavenging the clueless dweebs in the MOST secure way possible.
Drop by midwar sometime and discover the pleasure of often KNOWING who you are shooting at. 3 Guys is a HORDE in that arena !!! Ask for Tony. :neener:
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I'm rarely able to kill a 262 unless I'm in a bomber... other than that it's luck and timing.
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I loved killing a 262 in a zero :t
and my Hurri O deth
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Semp I found it...
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so this is what I said
"there's only a few people I know that I wont survive in a 1v1" then i name some players
how do you translate to this:
you missed it, Tues. night semp announced on 200 that the only a few people can beat him in a 1v1. He provided a very short list which included agent360 and dragonh5.
people like dragonh5, animal, agent, tb and some others I know for a fact that I will never survive in a 1v1. rest there's a chance i may survive. but it's not the same as me saying they're are the only ones who can beat me.
and bunnies, that's not your screenie .
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and bunnies, that's not your screenie .
Its not, its IrishOnes... I made it clear that I didn't have it... asked you for the vid... Irish had it...
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Its not, its IrishOnes... I made it clear that I didn't have it... asked you for the vid... Irish had it...
what the hell would it not being your screenshot have to do with anything :headscratch:
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Its not, its IrishOnes... I made it clear that I didn't have it... asked you for the vid... Irish had it...
has to do with perception. You said right at the top "semp I found it" as in you had but but misplaced it but found it again. but probably what you meant was irishone found it and sent it to you.
just like you guys assumed that when I said "there's only a few people I know that I wont survive in a 1v1" you guys assume that i said those were the only ones who could beat me in a 1v1 when in fact what it just meant that I wont survive in a 1v1 against them. never meant or implied that I could beat everybody else. except when later i said it as a joke.
so when you stated "you missed it, Tues. night semp announced on 200 that the only a few people can beat him in a 1v1. He provided a very short list which included agent360 and dragonh5" that was your wrong perception of what i said. :salute
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when I said "there's only a few people I know that I wont survive in a 1v1" you guys assume that i said those were the only ones who could beat me in a 1v1 when in fact what it just meant that I wont survive in a 1v1 against them. never meant or implied that I could beat everybody else.
fair enough :salute
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i do thank you for my signature, i find it funny as hell and i meant that in a good way :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :salute :salute
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Geeze, I hope you're a nit .... I havn't actually JOINED a mission in a while, I fly escort for em when I'm in the mood. Usually a 51 as it's easier to be mistaken for a poor clueless poney dope by the killer bees. DID I SCRATCH YOUR JET ? Sorry Sport ... Normally I avoid HOs too, a dip and a fake that rolls into a low deflection firing solution is relatively easy and keeps the pony nice and shiney. At the rate most 262s are moving when passing thu they can't hit anything that makes an avoidance move anyway. They're just scavenging the clueless dweebs in the MOST secure way possible.
Now you talking left n right.
Luvin it when a noone thinks he is the greatest evah.
You da man buddy.
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:huh Who is he? :confused:
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Who is this Semp character I keep hearing about??
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a dick... their ok
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pot stirred thanks to creative editing.
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pot stirred thanks to creative editing.
It was kinda funny til you told on yourself. See, if everyone knows you edited it, they will know I didn't type it and you will only get laughs from the slower folks. Then, when they figure it out, they won't pay any attention to your posts in the future. In fact, now, because you edit so much and tell on yourself after doing it, no one will take your posts seriously. Keep trying.... :aok
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It was kinda funny til you told on yourself. See, if everyone knows you edited it, they will know I didn't type it and you will only get laughs from the slower folks. Then, when they figure it out, they won't pay any attention to your posts in the future. In fact, now, because you edit so much and tell on yourself after doing it, no one will take your posts seriously. Keep trying.... :aok
lol your right I wanna have you link that quote so people can see just how much you like Dick. 5 times in what 4 mins? You sir like dick eniterly too much and no Semp's not the dickhandler you are with your pure devotion to tossing so many dicks around, and on a whole proves my point that you are a hypocrite as stated in my original post.
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lol your right I wanna have you link that quote so people can see just how much you like hamhawk. 5 times in what 4 mins? You sire like hamhawk eniterly too much and no Semp's not the hamhawk-handler you are with your pure devotion to tossing so much hamhawk around.
wait, your name is Richard? ;)
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edit multiple post
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mine is does that matter?
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lol your right I wanna have you link that quote so people can see just how much you like Dick. 5 times in what 4 mins? You sir like dick eniterly too much and no Semp's not the dickhandler you are with your pure devotion to tossing so many dicks around, and on a whole proves my point that you are a hypocrite as stated in my original post.
wow...look...the Pigs will end up liking you. You don't have to keep humping my leg, ok? Just look in the mirror and tell yourself positive things twice a day. Try this, it's worked for a lot of people like you:
Say, "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me!" because right now, you're "I should-ing all over yourself" and that couldn't be a good place for any person. Get out of that shame spiral...
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mine is does that matter?
semp
Sounds like Hammy thinks Changeup likes you too much...
You sire like Richard eniterly too much and no Semp's not the richard-handler you are
and well you can't handle yourself very well... according hammy.
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You were talking about the difficulty of the situation, not sinking CVs...check your original post again
I don't need to. The nutshell: You're whining about someone breaking the CV and sinking it. I'm propositioning if someone did the trivial and simple task of destroying the ord bunkers once every 20 minutes (like has been the mechanics within this game for... how many years now?), your need to incessantly complain these last few days can be avoided potentially indefinitely.
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I don't need to. The nutshell: You're whining about someone breaking the CV and sinking it. I'm propositioning if someone did the trivial and simple task of destroying the ord bunkers once every 20 minutes (like has been the mechanics within this game for... how many years now?), your need to incessantly complain these last few days can be avoided potentially indefinitely.
Using logic in an argument with the insane will not advance your position.
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I don't need to. The nutshell: You're whining about someone breaking the CV and sinking it. I'm propositioning if someone did the trivial and simple task of destroying the ord bunkers once every 20 minutes (like has been the mechanics within this game for... how many years now?), your need to incessantly complain these last few days can be avoided potentially indefinitely.
No, I was stating that I asked for th CV to stay up for the fight 20 people or so were having. Someone sunk it anyway and 20 or so guys had to go find another fight. I find it utterly ridiculous that you, of all the folks I know in this game, aren't saavy enough to think for yourself with regard to the difference between whining and making a request and then taking issue with the outcome.
I guess you'd prefer people just carry on and have no opinion or state said opinion. That makes you fairly self important don't you think? The arguing came in after folks decided to voice their opinions to the contrary. I don't hear you spewing about whining to them. Perhaps that is because they have taken your position on whether the CV should have been sunk. Either way, by your definition of whining, you have some other folks to try to talk down to including yourself....since you stated your opinion. In the words of hammhok, that makes you. A. Hipocrite, l
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I put up a Stuka raid, does that count as a horde? :D
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Using logic in an argument with the insane will not advance your position.
But encouraging the weak minded WILL make you look better in your skirt....just sayin. :aok
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But encouraging the weak minded WILL make you look better in your skirt....just sayin. :aok
changeup I am trying to help you here as a friend. because you helped me with some sound legal advise when you asked your wife when i had a problem. quit while you are ahead. dont try to bully people, you are better than that. :salute
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changeup I am trying to help you here as a friend. because you helped me with some sound legal advise when you asked your wife when i had a problem. quit while you are ahead. dont try to bully people, you are better than that. :salute
semp
Semp,
Ahead of what? I appreciate that but I'm not bullying anyone. You know these boards are a joke...a solid joke. There are about 500,000 BBS warriors and if any one person thinks of any other person badly because of the foolishness they type here, they have to be seriously cranked. I'll leave it at that.
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Semp,
Ahead of what? I appreciate that but I'm not bullying anyone. You know these boards are a joke...a solid joke. There are about 500,000 BBS warriors and if any one person thinks of any other person badly because of the foolishness they type here, they have to be seriously cranked. I'll leave it at that.
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ahead of looking like a dork. look back at your own postings and see when you started just being a bully yourself. those 500,000 warriors you talking about you became one of them not to long ago.
semp
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crap then I am the biggest dick around since I sink every cv i see and by the way didnt you ask many many times to come and sink the cv? so that makes you what, the dick handler?
semp
Really Semp? This looks an awful lot like your description of what you think I should stop doing bud. I think you should go back and read my first posts..it's not to hard to see who's doing what and what I typed ahead of this was addressing Waystins do whatever you want entry. I guess you can do that in-game when you have 30 people doing what you ask them to
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Sadly this thread has been hijacked so many times I think even the OP lost track. That's supposed to be a big no-no.
Sad again is that in all this talk of the horde, no one has addressed exactly how to stop the hoards from ever upping or how to smash them before they can law waste to a base and take it and then horde again ad infinitum. Please read:
Two basic kind of air hoarders, the hey--let's furball the base next door and maybe take it, or, the pre-planned 15-25 bombers with full uber-ride escorts.
Who will not help you stop the hoarde: squeekers, new players, score potatos, spawn campers, furballers, stoners, ego-freaks, and everyone else who thinks that saving their own butt is far more important than your side getting it's cheeks handed to you and losing all your capturable bases. That leaves:
Who will help you stop the hoarde: the small handful of people not included in the above list and those players, on many days USA primetime, wouldn't fill a three seat carnival ride, but if you put it out on green your porking you might get lucky. Like winning more than $500 with a lotto scratch off kind of lucky. THE most important part to remember is that ordnance bunkers are probably one of the weakest things on the field and can easily be droped with a quick strafing run of 50 cals or faster yet with 20mm cannon. They blow up easily and if there is no gv spawn at that base it takes quite a while to come back unsupplied. Dropping ords is a piece of cake and anyone can do it. Including n00bs.
How to keep the hoard from even starting: not exactly rocket science. Simply drop the enemy ordinance bunkers 2 to 3 bases deep along the entire front of the enemy that hoardes you the most. There is not one side in this game that will even bother to hoarde without bombs. Sure you could go drop troops everwhere but it's too time consuming.On small maps a squad of 7-10 guys can keep this accomplished without help. On large maps it's almost impossible, so pork the front two rows of bases and watch for the organized hoarde to up from one of the third row back bases where the organized hoardes usually up from anyway.
If people hate hoardes then take the hoarde's bombs away. If you are not willing to do this simple task then you have no right to gripe. You could easily been part of the solution.
How to destroy the organized mission hoarde once it ups: This is easier yet. Watch the map. If you can't keep an eye on the enemies 2nd and 3rd row back from the front bases where the organized hoarde's come from then you deserve to get hoarded. Simple. A base that two minutes before was no red dar bar now has a full dar bar. Mission upping and grabbing to get to alt before heading to the base they want to hoard. Always assume that they not only have 2 to 3 goons with them somewhere but that there is most likely one or two goons snuck in and already landed just outside the radar ring on a flat somewhere.
Once you see that big huge red darbar grab your cannon laden ride of choice and start grabbing at an angle toward the big full darbar...take your time, they are grabbing too. If you have buddies with lots of perkies, the 262 is a great ride or you can pick off the escorts from a nice higher cherrypick perch in a yak, 109K or even another pony. Most organized missions have rules about no chasing below 10K and others want the top deck to be 20K, but that's a falacy. It's been noted that 25K is standard and 30K not unheard of. In a 190D you can blow past the escorts in a blink of an eye and start chewing up the bombers. Every bomber you send down in flames is another bomber that won't unload it's ords on the hordling's choice base. It also makes that box of bombers that much more vulnerable for other hordling hunters. Hit them before they can even get to the dar ring is even better but when their eyes are in the bombsite they are blind and dependant on escorts and other hoarde bombers to check six them..
The more guys you can get to go with you for hoardebusting the better and more kills for everybody. Tis is the part that 95% of players never get. You have just as much chance of blowing by their escorts and getting kills as their escorts do. Come in from higher than the escorts. You will have all the E you need and escorts cant pull E out of their backsides to counter you. YOU have the advantage in this kind of fight not them. The more players you can rally to chew up the bombers the better. Once the bombers are dead the escorts are out of a job. Get as many buddies together and have fun stomping the horde into the ground instead of vice versa.
It's up to you.
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Sadly this thread has been hijacked so many times I think even the OP lost track. That's supposed to be a big no-no.
BTW... this thread was about poor sportsmanship and borderline harassment more than Hording... but thanks for your input. :)
Porking is well and good, but without a good group of people and a plan of action, the base(s) is(are) normally resupplied before you land or rearm your aircraft. At least with the old strat system taking down a zone base helped stem the instant resupply. Without it, porking becomes just another score padding exercise and really doesn't do any good.
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words of hammhok, that makes you. A. Hipocrite, l
1.My ankles off em. 2.Arguing opinions is a no win. I never argued your opinion just called ya a hypocrite. 3. I'm done with this Whopper posted a good post lets all just move on, and if the boards of the community are a joke as well as the way the community plays the game maybe we as a community should take ownership of that. the 2 threads we been arguing on are absolute rubbish and should have been closed by the community as I am sure most of them are tired of the crap that gets thrown up on these board on a nearly constant basis.
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Wow, this thread went from an argument about if hording was good for fights, to if sinking CV's is a dick-move, to who's being dumb and about what, and now someone brought back the CV thing. What the hell guys :(?
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Really Semp? This looks an awful lot like your description of what you think I should stop doing bud. I think you should go back and read my first posts..it's not to hard to see who's doing what and what I typed ahead of this was addressing Waystins do whatever you want entry. I guess you can do that in-game when you have 30 people doing what you ask them to
i wasnt replying to your original posts, but your lame excuses trying to justify your squaddies misinterpretation or what i said on later posts in this thread. like i replied in your pm to me good luck to you and wish you the best :salute.
semp
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Will someone move that dammed cv????
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Will someone move that dammed cv????
If I let go of the CV your going to hide it again...
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i wasnt replying to your original posts, but your lame excuses trying to justify your squaddies misinterpretation or what i said on later posts in this thread. like i replied in your pm to me good luck to you and wish you the best :salute.
semp
That is BS. It was to the post about the CV. If you are going to lie, at least make it worthy of laughter...page 17.
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If I let go of the CV your going to hide it again...
no sink it when there's a massive furrball, yea thats the ticket, Make sure the decks are full of cheese to for all the whine that will follow.
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Can we please get this back on topic?
Does this P38 make me look fat?
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it won't if you wear Silats red Dress :O
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no sink it when there's a massive furrball, yea thats the ticket, Make sure the decks are full of cheese to for all the whine that will follow.
No chance, bed-wetting types.You don't frighten us, pig-dogs! Go and boil your bottom, sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, you and all your silly k-nnnnniggets. I don't wanna talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
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No chance, bed-wetting types.You don't frighten us, pig-dogs! Go and boil your bottom, sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, you and all your silly k-nnnnniggets. I don't wanna talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
lol Bunnies miss ya bud :cheers:
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wait, your name is Richard? ;)
Huh they finally censored that? Well, uplift(LOL!)
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Can we please get this back on topic?
Does this P38 make me look fat?
No, your face does.
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For 2 hours this morning, 98% of the Bishops online horded one Knight field, lead by the vD's, while the other 2% were left to try and defend the rest of the map alone. We lost 4 (1 large, 2 medium and 1 V)bases in that time, and gained one small field.
Time to find a new chess piece for me. Giving Knights a go for a few weeks. <S> Bish, the last 10 years have been, interesting.
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For 2 hours this morning, 98% of the Bishops online horded one Knight field, lead by the vD's, while the other 2% were left to try and defend the rest of the map alone. We lost 4 (1 large, 2 medium and 1 V)bases in that time, and gained one small field.
Time to find a new chess piece for me. Giving Knights a go for a few weeks. <S> Bish, the last 10 years have been, interesting.
The Knights really have they're watermelon together here lately I think. Certainly more so then a couple of years ago due to a couple bigger, more experienced squads moving from the other countries. There's some real good guys over there. But don't forget to give us Rooks a try either. We're kind of ragtag and don't have any of the real big squads, which I think you'd like better. :salute
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The knights arent any better. Ever seen a Jayro "strike team" mission? Maybe a series of them?
I been on both sides, not for long, but i seen them all. There is really no difference between the chess pieces.
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For 2 hours this morning, 98% of the Bishops online horded one Knight field, lead by the vD's, while the other 2% were left to try and defend the rest of the map alone. We lost 4 (1 large, 2 medium and 1 V)bases in that time, and gained one small field.
Time to find a new chess piece for me. Giving Knights a go for a few weeks. <S> Bish, the last 10 years have been, interesting.
all sides are the same :aok
chess piece loyalty is silly IMO... I don't care if someone is chess piece loyal...but boy do they hate sideswitching spies :rofl
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For 2 hours this morning, 98% of the Bishops online horded one Knight field, lead by the vD's, while the other 2% were left to try and defend the rest of the map alone. We lost 4 (1 large, 2 medium and 1 V)bases in that time, and gained one small field.
Time to find a new chess piece for me. Giving Knights a go for a few weeks. <S> Bish, the last 10 years have been, interesting.
TRA1T0R!!!
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all sides are the same :aok
chess piece loyalty is silly IMO... I don't care if someone is chess piece loyal...but boy do they hate sideswitching spies :rofl
Well in SOME cases it's silly. But in my case, I can rarely fly with a squadie as we're never on at the same time. The last time I switched sides, I couldn't get to rooks for another 7 hour :rolleyes:. He was long gone by then.
Great post Whopper :aok
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here is a bit of ridiculousness...bagged 4 before they dragged me down. :rofl
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I've been back about five days now (with the way I am shooting today, you'd think it was my first day, ever!) and I have yet to see knights take one single Airfield...
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Try learning a new plane and style of flying while in a mess like that. I'm getting whooped like a government mule out there.
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wait til fri & sat nite Rogent
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TRA1T0R!!!
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I dont recognise that pic... Who is that? George Washington when he betrayed the British?
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I dont recognise that pic... Who is that? George Washington when he betrayed the British?
That's Benedict Arnold fancy lad.
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here is a bit of ridiculousness...bagged 4 before they dragged me down. :rofl
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Thats noting only 14 of em with in icon range
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Thats noting only 14 of em with in icon range
:rofl
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BTW... this thread was about poor sportsmanship and borderline harassment more than Hording... but thanks for your input. :)
You take your observations of the OP's and the subsequent views on hoardes and I take mine. And welcome to my eternal ignore list.
My post was to help others to not only neuter the hoarde as it birthed itself but to also cut the horde off at the knees once those players who ignored the symptoms were already infected with the results.....horrible sportmanship (which the game owners/makers/administration could care less about) as well as blatant harassment once they have already ignored the symptoms and are full fledged neck deep in the problem they could have easily avoided and yet easily solved had they even bothered to in the first place.
In other words...the OP would have never had had a problem inside the horde with those two complaints in the first place if that player's side had even an inkling to destroy to begin with.
Have a nice day.
Enjoy getting hoarded.
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You take your observations of the OP's and the subsequent views on hoardes and I take mine. And welcome to my eternal ignore list.
My post was to help others to not only neuter the hoarde as it birthed itself but to also cut the horde off at the knees once those players who ignored the symptoms were already infected with the results.....horrible sportmanship (which the game owners/makers/administration could care less about) as well as blatant harassment once they have already ignored the symptoms and are full fledged neck deep in the problem they could have easily avoided and yet easily solved had they even bothered to in the first place.
In other words...the OP would have never had had a problem inside the horde with those two complaints in the first place if that player's side had even an inkling to destroy to begin with.
Have a nice day.
Enjoy getting hoarded.
He was the OP, and that's the only sense I can make out of this.
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already infected with the results.....horrible sportmanship (which the game owners/makers/administration could care less about)
- A GOOD SPORT - ? is that what they put on the tombstone? Cause a fighter pilot is a cold blooded killer if he want's to live long. This is SUPPOSED to be a SIMULATION ... "Oh und by der vey Luftenpantzen Goreing, de english are vanting de day off today, zo we gave everyvun a 24 hr pass and scheduled einen tee time for you." Ever read a description of a Jabo Raid on an English Air-Base? " Maybe THAT'S what the owners/makers/administration had in mind? :airplane:
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You take your observations of the OP's and the subsequent views on hoardes and I take mine. And welcome to my eternal ignore list.
My post was to help others to not only neuter the hoarde as it birthed itself but to also cut the horde off at the knees once those players who ignored the symptoms were already infected with the results.....horrible sportmanship (which the game owners/makers/administration could care less about) as well as blatant harassment once they have already ignored the symptoms and are full fledged neck deep in the problem they could have easily avoided and yet easily solved had they even bothered to in the first place.
In other words...the OP would have never had had a problem inside the horde with those two complaints in the first place if that player's side had even an inkling to destroy to begin with.
Have a nice day.
Enjoy getting hoarded.
I forgot I didn't start this thread..
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This is SUPPOSED to be a SIMULATION ... :airplane:
So do you wear a catheter as you fly in AH?
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So do you wear a catheter as you fly in AH?
...yes, but for completely different reasons. :P
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So do you wear a catheter as you fly in AH?
No that would be historically incorrect ... Got an old orange juice bottle ...
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I forgot I didn't start this thread..
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Thoes are failed Avatar symbiots.
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:cheers: :cheers: This gets better each time I check it
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Für die Horde :airplane:!
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Wow 20 pages.... nice.
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33 pages on my screen... :banana:
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He ment to post that 13 pages ago and simply forgot for a few day to hit the "post" button twice.
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