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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: whiteman on November 10, 2010, 02:52:07 PM
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B-29 for the win. :airplane:
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Where's my nook!
(Check front page)
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Buy stock in Kleenex quick! :aok
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Buy stock in Kleenex quick! :aok
advil, pacemakers...
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Poor Pe-2... only 3.8% :(
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Overwhelming victory for the B29 (59%-41%) as I expected :/
Disappointed at how low a Soviet aircraft came in the initial round... :/
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BOOOOOO!!!!! Hanging chads and such.. I demand a recount!!!!!
congrats B29 supporters :salute
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Thats it. I QUIT :bolt:
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Could be the most game killing addition to the game yet. I'll be waiting to see how they impliment it without killing the base game.
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Thats it. I QUIT :bolt:
I knew it would happen and did a preventive quit last tour! :noid
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This means an AH for the next 500 years!
:banana: :x :cheers:
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They'll have to handicap it in some way to keep from killing the game.
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Well I wonder how long it will be before the destruction begins? :devil
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Poor Pe-2... only 3.8% :(
I know right, i voted Ki-45 so not much better result.
3.8% Pe-2 - Russian Medium Bomber
4.5% Ki-45 Toryu "Nick" - Japanese Attack / Heavy Fighter
5.5% Ki-43 Hayabusa "Oscar" - Japanese Fighter
10.4% Beaufighter - British Attack / Heavy Fighter
11.3% Me 410 - German Attack / Heavy Fighter
12.1 % He 111 - German Medium Bomber
12.6% A-26 Invader - American Light Bomber / Attack
39.8% B-29 Superfortress - American Heavy Bomber
We currently have other planes and vehicles in production but we will promote the B-29 to the next open production spot. Here are the results of all three rounds of polling.
so now we can start the guessing game on what is being produced that wasn't on the list.
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(http://beta.hitechcreations.com/pyro/pollround1.jpg)
(http://beta.hitechcreations.com/pyro/pollround2.jpg)
(http://beta.hitechcreations.com/pyro/pollround3.jpg)
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Truely mind bottling!
must be allot more bomb****s than I would ever have guessed :huh
It really does baffle my tiny mind :huh
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Yaahh no more B-29 On the wish list forums. :aok Convincing win though.
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A victory for those that like to be unopposed. :aok
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Truely mind bottling!
must be allot more squeakers than I would ever have guessed :huh
It really does baffle my tiny mind :huh
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Yaahh no more B-29 On the wish list forums. :aok Convincing win though.
i thought that day would never come......
there is a pro to every con! :aok
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(http://beta.hitechcreations.com/pyro/pollround1.jpg)
(http://beta.hitechcreations.com/pyro/pollround2.jpg)
(http://beta.hitechcreations.com/pyro/pollround3.jpg)
What model B29 are we getting?
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Truely mind bottling!
must be allot more bombers than I would ever have guessed :huh
It really does baffle my tiny mind :huh
like my radio buddies say, only 1% of the actually listeners call so what you hear is that vocal minority. I'm sure the percentage is a bit higher here but not by much after seeing the results off the 2007 poll and this one. Only surprise for me is the A26 was bumped but looking back i should have took that as a possibility since the b-29 took away some if it's votes.
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YESS!!!! GO B-29!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!!!!
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I'll be waiting to see how they impliment it without killing the base game.
Perhaps no formation ability. Keep it to a single machine per player.
I don't know if its necessary though......The B29 had some great qualities but I dont those qualities necessarily translate over to the game. Besides, if they are below 20k they will be attacked and killed along with most of the other bombers. if they are above 20-25k, who cares.
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A victory for those that like to be unopposed. :aok
I would have voted for the B-29 because I would love to fight against it!
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Overwhelming victory for the B29 (59%-41%) as I expected :/
Disappointed at how low a Soviet aircraft came in the initial round... :/
I wouldn't brag too loudly about an overwhelming victory. Depends on the numbers... if you think about it, 6 out of 10 people would be same ratio. 80% to 20% would be more of something to brag about. :salute
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Now I look forward to cry. B29 is overmodeled.....
:noid
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They'll have to handicap it in some way to keep from killing the game.
Me 262 didn't kill the game either... the secret is called: Perk Points.
As Yeager said: at low alts they will get killed much like other bombers. If they fly at 25k, they have to climb for 45 to 60 minutes AND flying a perk plane ensures that most will try to take their time to land their bird. All that is time consuming. A noe horde of 110s is often way more effective.
And do not overestimate the number of players having 20k buff perks. It's only a small fraction.
The first tour will see B-29 mayhem everywhere for sure... but it will settle down.
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What model B29 are we getting?
Well since this picture is on the home page I would say this is were we should start. Next question is what model is in the picture?
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/b29-superfortress.jpg)
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Well since this picture is on the home page I would say this is were we should start. Next question is what model is in the picture?
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/b29-superfortress.jpg)
Well since it has gun turrets I would say that's a B29A.
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I wouldn't brag too loudly about an overwhelming victory. Depends on the numbers... if you think about it, 6 out of 10 people would be same ratio. 80% to 20% would be more of something to brag about. :salute
Bragging? I'm appalled.
The Me 410 got the same proportion of votes as Christine O'Donnell in the general election for the Delaware Senate seat. 60% is a big so-and-soing majority.
Maybe the Me 410 should have made it more clear that it wasn't a witch...
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The first tour will see B-29 mayhem everywhere for sure... but it will settle down.
Especially considering it has to come down to land, eventually. Might take a marathon relay-race to finally kill it, but that could be a fun side-game in and of itself :D
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what model is in the picture?
The one with gun turrets :)
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We currently have other planes and vehicles in production but we will promote the B-29 to the next open production spot. Here are the results of all three rounds of polling.
Did anybody else see the statement in bold? YAK-3!!!!!!!!!
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I sincerely hope HTC adds multiple cloud layers, wind layers, and brings back the complex bomb site before this is released.
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B-29 for the win. :airplane:
We all know that from the start.. whats the big deal?
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We all know that from the start.. whats the big deal?
pat yourself on the back then. my thread was rolled into this one, I was more interested in the poll results and statement htc made.
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It used its n0oKZZ to get the win.
"Me 410 got the same proportion of votes as Christine O'Donnell in the general election"
Yes and that means something!!!....im just not sure what. Its important though. I feel it.
...I have no doubt it will be a B-29A.
Im building a little cartoon bomb shelter now. ;)
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So... to whoever's running the pool on when the next 'we need a Nook' thread is going to be, put me down for between 6:15 and 6:25 PM EST tonight.
It's interesting to me that the final two were the two most viable options for unopposed base capture. Basically, a better 110 for NOE smash and grabs, and a better bomber for getting above everything else in the game.
Wiley.
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What a surprise.
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I think that in the next poll there should be a factor added to each person's vote based on their years as a subscriber to at least try to remotely reflect some value given to faithful customers. When I was a two week noob I would have voted for the B-29 as well.
Also, in the next poll there should be some indication given whether or not a plane will likely be perked. Most ppl probably didn't consider that in their decision at all.
FAIL.
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The one with gun turrets :)
Just for you. :D
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/b291-1-2.jpg)
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Wow! The B-29. No one saw THAT one coming......... :D
HTC could possibly give us all the B-29 armament options as choices in the hangar loadouts. You could either have gun turrets and less bombs or no turrets and more bombs. A bit like choosing between the existing four engined bombers; either Lancs for ord or Yanks for survivability.
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We currently have other planes and vehicles in production but we will promote the B-29 to the next open production spot. Here are the results of all three rounds of polling.
Did anybody else see the statement in bold? YAK-3!!!!!!!!!
i quoted it on the first page and figured that would be a hot topic. going to assume we are talking about planes not on the list.
Tu-2, D4Y, VK1602 Leopard and maybe the Panther. just guesses not wishes.
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I think that in the next poll there should be a factor added to each person's vote based on their years as a subscriber to at least try to remotely reflect some value given to faithful customers. When I was a two week noob I would have voted for the B-29 as well.
Also, in the next poll there should be some indication given whether or not a plane will likely be perked. Most ppl probably didn't consider that in their decision at all.
FAIL.
Democracy & the vote :headscratch: Majority's what can you do with them. Ahh lets just redraw the electoral lines for the next vote shall we. :aok
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I think that in the next poll there should be a factor added to each person's vote based on their years as a subscriber to at least try to remotely reflect some value given to faithful customers. When I was a two week noob I would have voted for the B-29 as well.
There's a lot of assumption in that... maybe "old subscribers" have voted B-29 too? There are buff guys among them too.
I was subscriber for 5 years and would have voted B-29 too :)
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I'm sure the winner was clear from the beginning of the voting to anyone who has flown this sim/read this board for a while.
The B-29 was selected from the moment it was included to the vote.
We currently have other planes and vehicles in production but we will promote the B-29 to the next open production spot. Here are the results of all three rounds of polling.
Did anybody else see the statement in bold? YAK-3!!!!!!!!!
Considering the voting, I would guess that these are already existing AHI models being redone to AII standards. There's of course a small change that they are new WWI aircraft aswell.
...anyway, this was the best part of the announcement for me.
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:noid
"We currently have other planes and vehicles in production but we will promote the B-29 to the next open production spot. Here are the results of all three rounds of polling."
About 8-10 months down the road I am sure. No way this will be "2 weeks!" :salute
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Also, in the next poll there should be some indication given whether or not a plane will likely be perked. Most ppl probably didn't consider that in their decision at all.
FAIL.
if it's perked like it should be, i have a feeling it will be used about as much as the mossie16 is.. which is not very much.
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:noid
"We currently have other planes and vehicles in production but we will promote the B-29 to the next open production spot. Here are the results of all three rounds of polling."
About 8-10 months down the road I am sure. No way this will be "2 weeks!" :salute
Not so sure on that one. I still think all we did was vote in what order the new aircraft would be released.
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There's a lot of assumption in that... maybe "old subscribers" have voted B-29 too? There are buff guys among them too.
I was subscriber for 5 years and would have voted B-29 too :)
Add a factor and there will be no assuming needed.
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Democracy & the vote :headscratch: Majority's what can you do with them. Ahh lets just redraw the electoral lines for the next vote shall we. :aok
It doesn't have to be a democracy. Don't confuse a business that could throw a bone to its faithful customer base every now and then with real life. mmmmkay?
Anyway, Lusche's right, maybe most of the faithful subscribers did vote for it. Who knows? Besides, they will probably add both anyway.
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Make it so that the number of years you've been here translates to how many votes you get. So instead of me getting one vote for the B29 I could've had 10 votes. :D
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so the old your vote matters but not as much as mine, sounds like sore losers.
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Not so sure on that one. I still think all we did was vote in what order the new aircraft would be released.
I agree, specially after seeing the B-29 in the list of planes before the winner was announced.... :noid
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Make it so that the number of years you've been here translates to how many votes you get. So instead of me getting one vote for the B29 I could've had 10 votes. :D
You understand. Good job.
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so the old your vote matters but not as much as mine, sounds like sore losers.
Sounds like good business to me.
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Having the B29 win the "poll" proves to me this sim/game is heading more and more towards being an arcade style of game. Yeah, go ahead and put the " :cry " in under my quote, but the fact remains that people voted more for what is familiar to them rather than what is more true to the AH realm. The number of gaping holes in the plane line up is so obvious to those of us who know of thing or two about WWII.
Ah well... life goes on. I just hope the thing gets perked beyond belief and has no drones available.
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It doesn't have to be a democracy. Don't confuse a business that could throw a bone to its faithful customer base every now and then with real life. mmmmkay?
Anyway, Lusche's right, maybe most of the faithful subscribers did vote for it. Who knows?
What did you want out of curiosity?
I only made it on the last 2 votes as my PC was down for the rest of it & I did vote for it on the last vote. Would have preferred the Beaufighter but knew it would not have much of a chance when the majority of players are from the USA & they would have voted for the hot American rides first. Oh well I can live with the B29 & will enjoy what it will bring to the game. The good & the bad of it. :aok
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You understand. Good job.
I had to go through 12 years of Kindergarten to learn how to comprehend like that. Do I get my milk and nap time? ;)
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A victory for those that like to be unopposed. :aok
Heh.
- oldman
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yippee
I'm just glad we are getting closer to the point of no longer having any LW hotrods to add, and we can get to the big holes in the Axis and Russian planesets.
There are no hangar queens in the SEA and AvA.
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They'll have to handicap it in some way to keep from killing the game.
From the picture on the main page, it is safe to assume that it's the A model that we'll be getting. Honestly, other than extending the runways to so the B-29 could take off (Currently, runways aren't long enough) there really isn't anything that needs to be done for the sake of game play that would require the B-29 to be nerfed in anyway.
It's going to take a long time for the B-29 to climb to high altitudes, and they will be extremely vulnerable at this stage. They're going to be a tricky nut to crack but I look at it as a challenge. I can honestly say that I have turned completely around about the B-29 since I did a little more in-depth research into both the A and B models. Other than a hefty perk price and maybe only allowing single ships instead of formations, I don't see any negatives to the B-29 being added.
If we had gotten the B model instead, well, then maybe my views wouldn't have changed that readily.
ack-ack
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Sounds like good business to me.
by pleasing the vocal minority?
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yippee
I'm just glad we are getting closer to the point of no longer having any LW hotrods to add, and we can get to the big holes in the Axis and Russian planesets.
There are no hangar queens in the SEA and AvA.
:aok Well said.
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Sounds like good business to me.
Of course it does. You're on the good side of it. ;)
Just because someone's been here longer doesn't mean they're necessarily going to make a choice that is better in line with what the game actually needs. There is no qualification for having been here for longer other than having a credit card and the money to keep paying it off.
Wiley.
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by pleasing the vocal minority?
By rewarding customer loyalty and giving others an incentive to be loyal.
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I say add the B-32 'Dominator' to the next aircraft poll because we can never have to many American planes. After all if it wasn't for us Britain would be speaking Japanese and Australia would be speaking German. :aok
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Just because someone's been here longer doesn't mean they're necessarily going to make a choice that is better in line with what the game actually needs. There is no qualification for having been here for longer other than having a credit card and the money to keep paying it off.
Well that would be a good point if that were my point, but it's not my point for two reasons. First, because it was not the point that I made in the first place; my point was to reward loyalty. Second, it's not my point because it's not a good point because I didn't make that point and I only make good points so since I didn't make that point it means it's not a good point.
Capice?
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The people have spoken. Enough said.
(http://sarahjlwest.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/keep-calm-and-carry-on.png)
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Good thing this wasn't a poll of what we "need," it was a poll of what we "want!"
They've been filling holes a lot, Brewster, I-16, Betty. Also, you can get more votes than me once you start paying more than me. :aok
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By rewarding customer loyalty and giving others an incentive to be loyal.
so at what point does some ones vote become equal to long time customers, when they start voting fighters? btw i voted b29 since the ki45 was knocked out.
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I think that in the next poll there should be a factor added to each person's vote based on their years as a subscriber to at least try to remotely reflect some value given to faithful customers. When I was a two week noob I would have voted for the B-29 as well.
<- Four year noob and longtime fan of the B-29. WTG HTC! :aok
Why not ask that only the cool and omnipotent clique of uber bbs pilots be allowed to vote?
Non-uber paying customers surely don't know that they should really want some Early/Mid War fighter (so they can get slaughtered by the folks who championed the new "gap filler", while choosing to stay in the Late War monsters they have down to a science).
Having the B29 win the "poll" proves to me this sim/game is heading more and more towards being an arcade style of game. Yeah, go ahead and put the " :cry " in under my quote, but the fact remains that people voted more for what is familiar to them rather than what is more true to the AH realm. The number of gaping holes in the plane line up is so obvious to those of us who know of thing or two about WWII.
Ah well... life goes on. I just hope the thing gets perked beyond belief and has no drones available.
How many "gap fillers" like the C.202, Spit I, F4F, P-39D or P-40B do you fly on a regular basis? Why does every addition have to be some kind of "gap filler" when so much of the planeset is largely ignored by the customer base?
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Also, you can get more votes than me once you start paying more than me. :aok
I do pay more then you and so does everyone else that lives in Texas.
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I do pay more then you and so does everyone else that lives in Texas.
Sales tax is not my problem. :lol
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It's just another perfect example of what Hitech always says, the public doesn't know what it really wants. :devil
It shows the way the game is going though. 10 years ago a plane would have been voted in by it's "history", for what it could add to the game in a historic sense. One that fits as many rolls as it could be used for, FSO, senarios and such. Todays player picked the only one they recognized. Thank god it was used to drop the A bombs. Had it not had that big a footnote in history todays players wouldn't have known what to vote for.
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I would like to see all four planes from round number two added.
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Also, you can get more votes than me once you start paying more than me. :aok
If they have been here longer.... they have paid more. :)
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B-29 is already delivering for me, yesssss.
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If they have been here longer.... they have paid more. :)
They have payed the same amount for the same amount of product. So they may have payed for years before me, but I also wasn't receiving the product during that time.
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The simple fact remains, HTC put it in the poll. They knew it was a popular plane and they wouldn't have put it in there if they weren't prepared to introduce it. They have been in this business for a while now, and I'm confident they won't introduce a plane that will "destroy" the game.
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can we quit these B-29 threads and start the next logical thing?
who wants to pop the first-
"we want the noook"
thread? :O :O :O
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I say add the B-32 'Dominator' to the next aircraft poll because we can never have to many American planes. aok
Stop it or Bomber Cartel will demand it too. :lol
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my point was to reward loyalty.
Capice?
I get it, I just don't think it would be beneficial in any way. I'm assuming the poll was only open to people who are actively subscribed, I think their votes should carry the same weight regardless of how long they've been here. If you're wanting to retain new people, you don't want to have something like this and tell them their opinion's not worth a darn because they haven't been around long enough and/or given the company enough money yet.
In any case, enough hijack. Hooray new airplane, or whatever. I'm sure HTC has a plan to keep it from destroying the game.
Wiley.
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Could be the most game killing addition to the game yet. I'll be waiting to see how they impliment it without killing the base game.
how can it kill the game? if the B29 is setup with no formations, the load out won't be as much as a formation of lanc's flown by one pilot, if they want 3 B29's in a formation then they will need 2 more people to fly the other two planes
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Australia would be speaking German. :aok
Vielen Dank
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I like to fly buffs and yes I voted for it, but on the day it's released I will be up in a TA-152.
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(http://beta.hitechcreations.com/pyro/pollround1.jpg)
(http://beta.hitechcreations.com/pyro/pollround2.jpg)
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Getting consultation from Lusche I see.
I think the B-29 will be a good addition, if anything it will get it added and end the endless requests for it in the wishlsit forum. Probabley bring in some more players who want to be bomber pilots IMO... which will eventualy lead to more targets for me to shoot down in my Mk103 armed 410. :D
Now, on to bugging HTC less about the next plane to be added and more on these infernal arena caps.
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If the Ar234 has formations then I have no doubt the B29 will have them. I really think a lot of people are doing the whole doom and gloom thing over nothing. Once the newness wears off the arena and will return to normal and the B29 will take it's place in arena usage.
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yea I agree beef..people trying to plant seeds..WELL if it doesnt have drones it will be great.etc..etc....I mean come on..why not let it have drones???no reason why this bomber set should be any different from any others...
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how can it kill the game? if the B29 is setup with no formations, the load out won't be as much as a formation of lanc's flown by one pilot, if they want 3 B29's in a formation then they will need 2 more people to fly the other two planes
+1...there are many ways to make it fit without "Aces High Armageddon".
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I see 2 opposite theories of what the b29 will do..
1. it will unbalance the game too much -- too high, too fast, too much ords
2. it's not so special, it's a sitting duck, most people wont use it right, don't sweat it.
the way i see it, both reasons are why I voted against it. Because either it's uber, and you'll never see one except as a tiny dot 35000ft above your base because very few will bother to intercept it, or it's just another bomber, in which case, I ask wtf is it gonna do that the other heavy bombers we already have can't??
ohwell, I think i am with the others that say "any new additions to the game are good". we will live with it.
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Anyone else having flashbacks from a couple months ago and the new mossie threads? :D
3x B-29s, 3x times the perk points of a single B-29. It probabley won't be cheap, so I have no problems with B-29 formations, let them use up those perkies.
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+1...there are many ways to make it fit without "Aces High Armageddon".
Pyro: Hitech, the bomber hangar is to small, B29 will explode at spawn
Hitech: I know...
Pyro: so, first we build new hangars?
Hitech: nope
Pyro: hehehehe
Hitech: hehehehe
:t
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There's a lot of assumption in that... maybe "old subscribers" have voted B-29 too? There are buff guys among them too.
I was subscriber for 5 years and would have voted B-29 too :)
You guys must also consider that a majority of Dickweed,and the 91st probably voted for the 29 to.
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:cry :cry :cry
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You guys must also consider that a majority of Dickweed,and the 91st probably voted for the 29 to.
We are drops in a bucket.
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Ok, when do we get "Little Boy"............???? :banana:
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.....in which case, I ask wtf is it gonna do that the other heavy bombers we already have can't??
I'm going to ask the question of what would the Me410 do that the Me110, Fw190, F4U1C, Mossie, Ta152, etc, can't already do?
This argument of "we don't need this plane because X plane can do it's job" is invalid because the plane-set is large enough that any plane can sub for another aircraft. All the planes in the voting poll have another aircraft that could do their job so in the end it doesn't really matter.
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I'm going to ask the question of what would the Me410 do that the Me110, Fw190, F4U1C, Mossie, Ta152, etc, can't already do?
This argument of "we don't need this plane because X plane can do it's job" is invalid because the plane-set is large enough that any plane can sub for another aircraft. All the planes in the voting poll have another aircraft that could do their job so in the end it doesn't really matter.
can i ask you why we need another Bomber? ;)
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can i ask you why we need another Bomber? ;)
Sure as long as I can respond with why we need another fighter or attack aircraft. ;)
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WHILE i'm glad that you guys got what ya'll wanted....i cannot think of an ah time that i've been less excited. i almost would have preferred to see another spitfire over this.
congrats doods. :aok
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Just another plane that will be used to dive bomb with. Everyone will fly it when it first comes out. Then like all other new planes, everyone will abandon it for their main rides. It will take the place of the lancs. But that about all it will do. Oh and stir up whines about the "nuke". So prepare for the whine fest.
And who cares about the B29 winning?
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Sure as long as I can respond with why we need another fighter or attack aircraft. ;)
what else to say that others have not ?
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Just another plane that will be used to dive bomb with. Everyone will fly it when it first comes out. Then like all other new planes, everyone will abandon it for their main rides. It will take the place of the lancs. But that about all it will do. Oh and stir up whines about the "nuke". So prepare for the whine fest.
And who cares about the B29 winning?
i don't....i just felt this perverse need to reply in this thread. i only fly the ava now, and i don't think they;ll be using that in there any time soon.....
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...It shows the way the game is going though. 10 years ago a plane would have been voted in by it's "history", for what it could add to the game in a historic sense. One that fits as many rolls as it could be used for, FSO, senarios and such
Good to see the HE 111 wasn't important in WW2, wasn't versatile, can't be used in FSO and generally isn't a 'Gap Filler'
Me thinks Rose Tinted Glasses are being worn.
:aok
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i don't....i just felt this perverse need to reply in this thread. i only fly the ava now, and i don't think they;ll be using that in there any time soon.....
AvA? Isnt that where the drones overpopulate the players?
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The voting was rigged.....
Oh well at least I don't have to change my signature now
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The voting was rigged.....
Oh well at least I don't have to change my signature now
Me410 forever!
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so at what point does some ones vote become equal to long time customers, when they start voting fighters? btw i voted b29 since the ki45 was knocked out.
Votes would be weighted based on time subscribed. There would be a factor assigned. That would mean that they are never equal.
First, read carefully, then comprehend what is being said. If you do, maybe you won't make silly comments like the one above. You obviously think that it is because I wanted a fighter that I am not happy. That is a preconceived notion based on prejudice. From my real life experience, I have come to know that only ignorant people jump to conclusions based on prejudices. For that very reason I was going to wait and see what type of people will be flying the B-29 before I made my final judgement, but I must say you are confirming my suspicions.
Btw, I voted for the He-111. That kind of blows away your "fighter" theory doesn't it?
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Me410 forever!
start an me410 thread and cry about how you didnt get it. you will fit right in with 95% of the posts on this board. make sure you add a :cry in there to make it real.
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Finally and old guy gets thrown a bone..........
999000 <S>
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<- Four year noob and longtime fan of the B-29. WTG HTC! :aok
Why not ask that only the cool and omnipotent clique of uber bbs pilots be allowed to vote?
Non-uber paying customers surely don't know that they should really want some Early/Mid War fighter (so they can get slaughtered by the folks who championed the new "gap filler", while choosing to stay in the Late War monsters they have down to a science).
How many "gap fillers" like the C.202, Spit I, F4F, P-39D or P-40B do you fly on a regular basis? Why does every addition have to be some kind of "gap filler" when so much of the planeset is largely ignored by the customer base?
That's it. My suspisions of the type of people who will be flying B-29's have been confirmed.
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Dude!?!?...............can u imagine how deadly this is going to be?!?!........especially 20 bish squeakaz in them killer planes?! :rock
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PE-2 For LIFE!
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I'm going to ask the question of what would the Me410 do that the Me110, Fw190, F4U1C, Mossie, Ta152, etc, can't already do?
carry a 50mm cannon?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BK-5_cannon
granted, it's no more necessary, but seems more interesting to me than just being able to drop more bombs.
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start an me410 thread and cry about how you didnt get it. you will fit right in with 95% of the posts on this board. make sure you add a :cry in there to make it real.
:lol i will wait i am sure one will pop up here soon :salute BiP
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carry a 50mm cannon?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BK-5_cannon
granted, it's no more necessary, but seems more interesting to me than just being able to drop more bombs.
Use a B-25. It's got a bigger gun, it's bigger, and it'll look prettier as it kills you.
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carry a 50mm cannon?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BK-5_cannon
granted, it's no more necessary, but seems more interesting to me than just being able to drop more bombs.
The mossie could carry a 57mm cannon couldn't it? Why not ask for a Mossie with the cannon rather than another plane?
Do you see where I'm going with this?
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Use a B-25. It's got a bigger gun, it's bigger, and it'll look prettier as it kills you.
killing 17's, 24's, lanc's, that B25 tears them up fast
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P61 rules hard over the 410. Next vote goes for the P61 :banana:
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killing 17's, 24's, lanc's, that B25 tears them up fast
Bomber killing is for nubs. Real men kill GVs :x
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P61 rules hard over the 410. Next vote goes for the P61 :banana:
I will hold you to this if i ever see the day we have both rides ;)
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Thoughts:
1) B-29 is going to be perked, and HEAVILY. I'm expecting to see it as at LEAST 200 perks, maybe as high as 500.
2) Just like any other 4-engine bomber, the B-29 is going to take time to get to altitude. Which means anyone rolling a B-29 from a forward base is going to be low and struggling to get air underneath them as they cross the front lines.
3) The B-29 is STILL a fast bird at all altitudes, so she doesn't necessarily have to climb to 30,000ft to make life difficult for defenders. Remember that the B-29 WAS used in the same sort of low-altitude, high-speed night raids the Mossie B carried out in Europe.
4) There's still question as to how HTC will model the gun controls.
5) In all likelihood, B-29 sorties will be launched from bases deeper behind the front lines, so it SHOULD be easy to spot a high-altitude B-29 raid forming. One can generally assume that the altitude of such raids will be "high" and can be planned upon accordingly.
6) While the B-29 IS going to be used to hit bases, it's almost guaranteed that she's primarily going to be used to bomb the cities and HQ, so it's not going to take a WHOLE lot of guesswork where those high-altitude B-29 raids are heading. This should actually PROMOTE combat, assuming people want to up to defend the city and HQ.
Remember, as long as you roll to oppose them, bombers will ALWAYS promote a fight.
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Bomber killing is for nubs. Real men kill GVs :x
but when your busting tanks and a set of low bombers comes in what better fun then that :x
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B-29 won. Whoever woulda thunk it.
LMAO given the lack of forward thinking capability of many of the community It was as predictable as the sun rising.
I can think of one reason and one reason only to put this plane into the game. And it aint a good one.
Mark my words
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The hypocricy that I see on these boards is overwhelming.
And the 29 will probably have such a ridiculous perk attached to it , you won't see it that much.
Very unlike the game changing 51.
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These doomsday folks make me laugh.
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6) While the B-29 IS going to be used to hit bases, it's almost guaranteed that she's primarily going to be used to bomb the cities and HQ, so it's not going to take a WHOLE lot of guesswork where those high-altitude B-29 raids are heading. This should actually PROMOTE combat, assuming people want to up to defend the city and HQ.
Really big, organozed raids like the MoM will head to strat/city targets, no doubt.
But considering all factors (perk price, strategic & score gain from bombing the strats) a lot (if not most) B-29's will end up bombing a series of town centers.
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Bombers are just target drones. On opening day, I'll be up to bag my quota. 262 FTW!!
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what else to say that others have not ?
This is my strict opinion on the matter of weather we need new bombers or not.
Put simply I'm a buff pilot, 95% of my time is spending flying a bomber of some sort in the MA. Aces High has a limited amount of bombers to choose from compared to fighters and attack aircraft. Also we only have 2 perk aircraft to choose from and both are light fast attack bombers. As a buff pilot I have a limited amount of planes to choose from and some of these planes have been around for a LONG time. I know that I like a little variety every once in awhile.
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Bombers are just target drones. On opening day, I'll be up to bag my quota. 262 FTW!!
Good luck trying to get up to us. :D
Really big, organozed raids like the MoM will head to strat/city targets, no doubt.
But considering all factors (perk price, strategic & score gain from bombing the strats) a lot (if not most) B-29's will end up bombing a series of town centers.
Yulp
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Having the B29 win the "poll" proves to me this sim/game is heading more and more towards being an arcade style of game. Yeah, go ahead and put the " :cry " in under my quote, but the fact remains that people voted more for what is familiar to them rather than what is more true to the AH realm. The number of gaping holes in the plane line up is so obvious to those of us who know of thing or two about WWII.
Ah well... life goes on. I just hope the thing gets perked beyond belief and has no drones available.
Oh, please.
I voted for the Me410 as well, but this post is nothing but tripe.
If this poll had happened in 2000 or 2001 the B-29 would still have won. I was there and the player base's love of history lead to the F4U-1C getting 15-20% of kills each tour.
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If this poll had happened in 2000 or 2001 the B-29 would still have won. I was there and the player base's love of history lead to the F4U-1C getting 15-20% of kills each tour.
:lol :aok
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Finally and old guy gets thrown a bone..........
999000 <S>
LMAO. Why? You already have your centrally controlled lasercannon.
Im interested in seeing how they plan on improving the gunnery of a plane wherein the already existing heavy bombers already had that kind of central control.
Smart bombs perhaps? lmao
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The mossie could carry a 57mm cannon couldn't it? Why not ask for a Mossie with the cannon rather than another plane?
Do you see where I'm going with this?
no, the the last vote was between 410 and b29.. heavy fighters can be used more ways than a 4 engine bomber that's probably gonna be perked.
besides, the b29 was winning from the first poll. nothing else stood a chance. some of us are just wondering why, wtf is so interesting about the b29?
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Oh, please.
I voted for the Me410 as well, but this post is nothing but tripe.
If this poll had happened in 2000 or 2001 the B-29 would still have won. I was there and the player base's love of history lead to the F4U-1C getting 15-20% of kills each tour.
I remember when the F4U-1C made up 50% of the planes used in the MA. Literally 1 out of every 2 planes you saw was an F4U-1C. This is the reason why the 1C is perked simply because that's all anyone would fly.
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This is a great day in AH history, this marks the end of a ten year flame war about the B-29 on these boards.
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How many "gap fillers" like the C.202, Spit I, F4F, P-39D or P-40B do you fly on a regular basis?
....er.....me....?
- oldman
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This is a great day in AH history, this marks the end of a ten year flame war about the B-29 on these boards.
By looking at this thread I'd say: The war had just begun :devil
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sorry :( I ment to say, the B-29 war is now over, now its time to rearm reload, and start flaming eachother again over the Nook and 410 :)
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By looking at this thread I'd say: The war had just begun :devil
So.. I clicked your link and.. I'd have to say my two favorites so far are "Take Me Somewhere Nice" and "I love you, I'm going to blow up your school".
Mogwai is awesome :D
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Oh, please.
I voted for the Me410 as well, but this post is nothing but tripe.
If this poll had happened in 2000 or 2001 the B-29 would still have won. I was there and the player base's love of history lead to the F4U-1C getting 15-20% of kills each tour.
this is true.
But even if it had been voted in back then it would be. As it is now the least needed plane addition to the game.
In WWII its only real significance to the war effort was done on two trips. One over Nagasaki and One over Hiroshima. (significance meaning doing something that bombers in our arsenal didnt already do) While high alt was supposed to be its forte. As often as not its mission altitudes were done at significantly lower altitudes
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It's not unfathomable that we won't even see this B-29 for a year or so, we'll get a little break when this dies down next week. Then we'll have this same thread when they post screenshots, then it'll die down. Then we'll have this same thread when it comes out, then it'll die down. Then we'll have something new that comes out that will "destroy" the game.
:D
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this is true.
But even if it had been voted in back then it would be. As it is now the least needed plane addition to the game.
How opinions vary. To me, that one was the He 111. ;)
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By looking at this thread I'd say: The war had just begun :devil
I'd be more inclined to say
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoBFhdeR9PE
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Jesus its the end:/
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In WWII its only real significance to the war effort was done on two trips. One over Nagasaki and One over Hiroshima. (significance meaning doing something that bombers in our arsenal didnt already do) While high alt was supposed to be its forte. As often as not its mission altitudes were done at significantly lower altitudes
Maybe it's just how we play the game, but I fail to see how real world use or results matters that much. I direct you to a Hitech quote:
As we have said, this is not a sim of WWII. It is a game/sim using WWII equipment.
Also, I have no idea how this could possibly destroy the game, anyone of you doomsayers care to elaborate?
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The B29 had a hellbunch of problems when first fielded in strength. The jet stream being a major problem. Its patently false though to claim that only two sorties had any im[act. You see, once Gen LeMay took command of the 20th USSAF and decided to strip the 29 of most of its guns and gunners and sent the things in at 10-12k at night using pathfinders to start small fires in the target cities the n hell started coming to Japan. This bombing brought heavy suffering to the Japanese and they lost severely needed industrial capacity and workers to man those factories. This low level night raid stuff coupled with the new indendiaries burned entire Japanese cities to the core. Nope, once LeMay made these adjustments the 29s started wrecking hell on mainland Japan. If the atomics had never come into the picture the 29s would have only increased in numbers and devastating impact.
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B29 is coming to AH? Excellent..will resubscribe and start bombing fighter hangers for perk points.
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LCA MoM, 777th Epic Missions and 91st are gonna enjoy this. :lol :lol :lol :devil :devil :devil :devil :devil
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yup, the night raids w/ incendiaries brought more damage and terror than the two nukes combined.
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Good to see the HE 111 wasn't important in WW2, wasn't versatile, can't be used in FSO and generally isn't a 'Gap Filler'
Me thinks Rose Tinted Glasses are being worn.
:aok
Did you read the post? I tell you what, go down to your local high school and ask each kid they to list what a HE 111 is and what it was used for, then do the same for the B29. I'm pretty sure that less than 10% will know what a HE 111 is, but the B29 will be much more well known. As for history about WWII these days, most schools cover Pearl harbor, and the 2 Nukes dropped on Japan. Hitler crops up now and then too. :devil
I don't care how, why, or what the issues, plans, or diffuculties were with the B29 in real life. As we know Real life doesn't matter in a GAME. The Lanc and the B24 are in the top 12 planes used OVER-ALL in the game and it isn't because of the history. It's because of bomb load, and speed.
When the B29 is put in, unless the thing is perked like a 262 you will see it used at 8-10 k, dive bombing will be as normal as level bombing. Bomb and bail (unless perked) will be normal. Killing one may be as easy as killing a B24....if you can catch it.
I hope the Perk the hell out of it.
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by pleasing the vocal minority?
Minority? the polls show other wise! the bomber guys lost out the last update or two with the strats being moved out of reach and the town and field redesign, and as far as I can tell,, there are less players,, maybe I am wrong but I know I fly bombers a lot less, and play alot less since the changes that have effected the style of play, away from bombers! I am looking forward to upping the big beast and trying my luck,, the last time I was this happy about a new addition was the "M",, and it has been my ride of choice since it was introduced!
the minority didn't want the B-29 as far as I can tell,, so I don't think they pleased them at all!
I do want the Yak-3 tho,, and would be happy to see it long before the new bomber! The panther as well,, or the M-18!!
I don't understand why anyone would not want the challenge of shooting down that big beast anyway?Is it going to be too tough for ya? looks like a heck of a challenge to me,, both to fly and to kill!
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Minority? the polls show other wise! the bomber guys lost out the last update or two with the strats being moved out of reach and the town and field redesign, and as far as I can tell,, there are less players,, maybe I am wrong but I know I fly bombers a lot less, and play alot less since the changes that have effected the style of play, away from bombers! I am looking forward to upping the big beast and trying my luck,, the last time I was this happy about a new addition was the "M",, and it has been my ride of choice since it was introduced!
the minority didn't want the B-29 as far as I can tell,, so I don't think they pleased them at all!
I do want the Yak-3 tho,, and would be happy to see it long before the new bomber! The panther as well,, or the M-18!!
I don't understand why anyone would not want the challenge of shooting down that big beast anyway?Is it going to be too tough for ya? looks like a heck of a challenge to me,, both to fly and to kill!
I believe he was pointing out that those against the B-29 are in the minority, they're just loud.
I agree with the rest of your points though.
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B29 is coming to AH? Excellent..will resubscribe and start bombing fighter hangers for perk points.
Now there's an idea! Destroying things from a B-29 subtracts from your perk point total!
- oldman
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Wow. Just...wow. All this doom talk. Really? "It's the death of Aces High! All is lost! I want a cheese burger!". :rofl
SunBat, what makes you think that you or anyone else, should have a better vote in anything over anyone who haven't been on AH as long? I am just glad that HiTech doesn't think like that and hopefully, never will.
I voted for the He-111 and it lost. bah So when it came down to the wire, I opted for the B-29 over the 410 simply because I much prefer to fly bombers over fighters. Had the 410 won, then "yay!". Had the A-26 won, then "boo!" AND "yay!". Had the 111 won, then "wrarglral!". And had the Ki-45 won, then, *flashback to Aces of the Pacific*....*drools*.
Prediction: B-29: Eny 5, Formations: Enabled, Perk Cost: 100-200 per plane.
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:cry
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Prediction: B-29: Eny 5, Formations: Enabled, Perk Cost: 100-200 per plane.
my prediction:
ENY 5.0, OBJ 5.0, formations, and perk 90 (3x mosquito 16) per plane.
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I think voting should have been based on the IQ of subscribers. The smarter you are the more your vote weighs. And to prove that this is not a biased opinion, I state for the record that I do not know my multiplication tables or abc's yet. So basically whatever Ghosth wants we get, cuz he has told us how smart he is before.
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Finally,something to spend all those Bomber Perks on. :uhoh
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/193/442965594_f1ba641913.jpg)
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Personally I don't care much either way about what this plane will do and have no objections to it being added, it's just that being an historical scenario guy, there are at least 1/2 a dozen planes I'd rather see before this one.
In fact, I would have been fine if it was the very last plane added.
I'm sure we will have every variant of every late war US plane before we even have enough Japanese models to run a decent scenario with out a bunch of substitutions.
Ah well, the majority has spoken.
Enjoy your new bomber.
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Personally I don't care much either way about what this plane will do and have no objections to it being added, it's just that being an historical scenario guy, there are at least 1/2 a dozen planes I'd rather see before this one.
In fact, I would have been fine if it was the very last plane added.
I'm sure we will have every variant of every late war US plane before we even have enough Japanese models to run a decent scenario with out a bunch of substitutions.
Ah well, the majority has spoken.
Enjoy your new bomber.
It has more scenario uses than the A-26 would have.....
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Be afraid.
(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/Jayhawk1/rubberducky.jpg)
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It was only a matter of time before the B29 would win and see addition to the game. That's a no brainer. People just need to quit crying about a plane and just be glad that there is this game called "Aces High" that they can play whenever they want. Just my .02 cents.
I am, however, excited to learn more about the other planes/vehicles that are in production. :)
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I think that in the next poll there should be a factor added to each person's vote based on their years as a subscriber to at least try to remotely reflect some value given to faithful customers. When I was a two week noob I would have voted for the B-29 as well.
(http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/3340/vote.jpg)
:D :bolt:
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It has more scenario uses than the A-26 would have.....
I'm sure it will find it's way into some scenarios. I didn't vote for the A-26 either.
At least we're getting the Betty. That and the Ki43 would have kept me quiet for a long time.
Someday soon, I hope.
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I think voting should have been based on the IQ of subscribers.
If that were the case all I would have needed to do is vote once. For the B29 :x
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(http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/3340/vote.jpg)
So I'm a bit older now than I was then. The sentiment hasn't changed.
- oldman
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(http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/3340/vote.jpg)
:D :bolt:
uumm....i could respond as i'd like, but i fear it would get me a long vacation from here.........
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(http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/3340/vote.jpg)
:D :bolt:
Yes. Perfect.
So I take it u think I'm wrong about this?
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One hopes the next open production spot is about 10 planes down the list :)
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Yes. Perfect.
So I take it u think I'm wrong about this?
Let's say I do not agree with your opinion. But even if I would, I would had posted the same picture. ;)
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It's funny how venomous people get when others don't do what they want them to do. I voted 410 btw.
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I voted 410, but im not dissapointed with the 29
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I always get nervous when the players of aces high are allowed to vote on decisions myself included. There is a history of poor judgement, like a spoiled brat at xmas they want this toy and that and after a day or so the toy is left untouched and they end up playing more with the box. Wish htc would trust the fact that they know best what is good for gameplay since its their job! Leaving the playerbase to make democratic votes on what they want in the game will only hinder the games development and future! With a string of unused projects they voted for eating up valuable development time!
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I always get nervous when the players of aces high are allowed to vote on decisions myself included. There is a history of poor judgement, like a spoiled brat at xmas they want this toy and that and after a day or so the toy is left untouched and they end up playing more with the box. Wish htc would trust the fact that they know best what is good for gameplay since its their job! Leaving the playerbase to make democratic votes on what they want in the game will only hinder the games development and future! With a string of unused projects they voted for eating up valuable development time!
When was the last time the player base voted on a plane? And how many others came out between these polls? It's not like HTC is completely throwing out their plans and letting the base decide the rest of the planes. HTC even picked the 8 we got to pick from, meaning they were 'okay' with any of them coming into the game. Why worry?
EDIT: I had a feeling Lusche actually knew how many planes were added. :lol
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I always get nervous when the players of aces high are allowed to vote on decisions myself included. There is a history of poor judgement, like a spoiled brat at xmas they want this toy and that and after a day or so the toy is left untouched and they end up playing more with the box.
Uhm.. how often were we allowed to vote at all?
In the 5 years I played, there was only one poll, this was the second one.
This is the stuff that had been added during this time
Jeep
F4U-1A
B-25H&C
P-39D&Q
T-34/85
Wirbelwind
SdKfZ 251
Firefly
M4A3(75) and (76)w
B-239
I-16
Mosquito 16
4 WWI planes
And only the B-25 (and to some extend the P-39) was the direct result of a voting.
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Just wait till ya see the B-29 divebombers
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Just wait till ya see the B-29 divebombers
It's very likely that plane will be perked.
I rarely even see dive bombing non-perked lancs.
I'm not worried.
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Just wait till ya see the B-29 divebombers
And?
Every plane in AH is being "abused" or used in an ahistorical way. Bombers are no worse than any other plane or GV.
And there's a lot of myth about spawn bombing or divebombing buffs in AH.
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Soooo. . . the B29. Did I read correctly that it will only be available in the Late-Late-Really Late War Arena?
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Soooo. . . the B29. Did I read correctly that it will only be available in the Late-Late-Really Late War Arena?
yes so late it will be past your bedtime :D :neener:
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Uhm.. how often were we allowed to vote at all?
In the 5 years I played, there was only one poll, this was the second one.
This is the stuff that had been added during this time
Jeep
F4U-1A
B-25H&C
P-39D&Q
T-34/85
Wirbelwind
SdKfZ 251
Firefly
M4A3(75) and (76)w
B-239
I-16
Mosquito 16
4 WWI planes
And only the B-25 (and to some extend the P-39) was the direct result of a voting.
Actually, there was one other.
We got to vote for the D3A and SBD vs the D4Y and SB2C back during AH1 days.
You can figure out which pair won. :p
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:salute HTC! Although I didn't vote for the B29, I'm pleased, gracious & impressed that the customer base was given the opportunity to deiced on the games direction. I'm amazed and impressed, according to Mark Cuban's blog, he would have not done the same if he was running HTC.
PS: I don't disagree with every thing Mark states, just that examples/arguments are a bit extreme, think balance like HTC does :aok
http://blogmaverick.com/2010/04/06/why-you-should-never-listen-to-your-customers/ (http://blogmaverick.com/2010/04/06/why-you-should-never-listen-to-your-customers/)
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YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh thank you lord finally its in YAY!!!!!!! will we see fire bombs? lol
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Minority? the polls show other wise! the bomber guys lost out the last update or two with the strats being moved out of reach and the town and field redesign, and as far as I can tell,, there are less players,, maybe I am wrong but I know I fly bombers a lot less, and play alot less since the changes that have effected the style of play, away from bombers! I am looking forward to upping the big beast and trying my luck,, the last time I was this happy about a new addition was the "M",, and it has been my ride of choice since it was introduced!
the minority didn't want the B-29 as far as I can tell,, so I don't think they pleased them at all!
I do want the Yak-3 tho,, and would be happy to see it long before the new bomber! The panther as well,, or the M-18!!
I don't understand why anyone would not want the challenge of shooting down that big beast anyway?Is it going to be too tough for ya? looks like a heck of a challenge to me,, both to fly and to kill!
you haven't read any of our conversation have you?
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Uhm.. how often were we allowed to vote at all?
In the 5 years I played, there was only one poll, this was the second one.
This is the stuff that had been added during this time
Jeep
F4U-1A
B-25H&C
P-39D&Q
T-34/85
Wirbelwind
SdKfZ 251
Firefly
M4A3(75) and (76)w
B-239
I-16
Mosquito 16
4 WWI planes
And only the B-25 (and to some extend the P-39) was the direct result of a voting.
Regardless its based on popular opinion so you can add ww1 to that list, popular opinion is a clueless one
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what are the other aircraft that they will be adding? and a shame the ME-410 didnt make it v.v not only is it a beauty but damn was it good. sad it came in too late though. also when will we see the BUFF? i would love to start practicing with it. also since the B-29 is in will the ME-262 be cheaper beacuase that might be the only plane that can take down the Superfortress.
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Regardless its based on popular opinion so you can add ww1 to that list, popular opinion is a clueless one
There is a reason they don't use it often, but it wasn't as if we could write-in. That fact that the B-29 was in the poll means it would have probably been modeled by HTC sooner or later, would you have been okay if it was their choice? They knew the popularity of the B-29, I bet they were very ready to accept the B-29 into the game before any of us knew of the poll.
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There is a reason they don't use it often, but it wasn't as if we could write-in. That fact that the B-29 was in the poll means it would have probably been modeled by HTC sooner or later, would you have been okay if it was their choice? They knew the popularity of the B-29, I bet they were very ready to accept the B-29 into the game before any of us knew of the poll.
yeah plus i dont get why people dont like it. it deserves the same amount of respect as any of the other aircraft in the game already.
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There is a reason they don't use it often, but it wasn't as if we could write-in. That fact that the B-29 was in the poll means it would have probably been modeled by HTC sooner or later, would you have been okay if it was their choice? They knew the popularity of the B-29, I bet they were very ready to accept the B-29 into the game before any of us knew of the poll.
I rather they just made the decision without asking and plop it was there on the front page one day. Do I care? it depends on the outcome ie how will it affect my playing experience. Personally I signed up to fight with other people in airplanes. I only shoot bombers if there is nothing else to shoot I find it as tedious as shooting the offline drones, actually bombing is 10 times as boring.
WW1 is a prime example of people being clueless, they were asked they all said yes please. When it arrived they discovered there was on way to avoid danger of them being killed and promptly left. I personally loved ww1 but for the good of the overall game the resources could have been better used on something else asking the players whats what is a bad idea. I mean this wasn't just like a p-39 that failed, it was 4 planes and a whole arena, and proof that the overwhelming majority of people that play this game do not want combat in a combat sim, they want 30k bombers and milk runs, a hoarde they can hide in, stripping all means of defence of a field so they can vulch planes taking off.
If someone came up with an offline mission called 'field vulch' that spewed out random WTGs for landing said vulches, HTC would probably go out of business!
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Well you may have signed up for fighter action, but maybe I signed up for historic bomber missions. Actually it was for a little bit of everything. I love flying solo or squad missions at 20-25k and having interceptors come up to meet me. It may be hard for you to fathom that people have fun doing this, but we do. It takes patience to fly those bombers historically, and it takes patience to come up and fight them. Since I can't ignore it, if you've never flown with or against the 91st, you can't tell me bombing runs are boring.
I don't think you can compare the WWI vote to this. We didn't know what to expect out of WWI, all we were asked was 'yes or no'. I voted yes, but when I saw it was purely furball with no strategy, the excitement quickly wore off and I don't find it as exciting. Strategy, a goal, IMO, that promotes combat for the vast majority of us.
I fly bombers, and I fight people in them.
This is a simple case of, "if you don't play it my way, you're playing it wrong."
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Way to go to all the know nothing noobs! You guys have OFFICIALLY KILLED ACES HIGH 4 EVAR!!!!!! :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :mad: :confused: :t
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thMm-7RFsm0&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thMm-7RFsm0&feature=related)
/sarcasm
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Uhm.. how often were we allowed to vote at all?
In the 5 years I played, there was only one poll, this was the second one.
This is the stuff that had been added during this time
Jeep
F4U-1A
B-25H&C
P-39D&Q
T-34/85
Wirbelwind
SdKfZ 251
Firefly
M4A3(75) and (76)w
B-239
I-16
Mosquito 16
4 WWI planes
And only the B-25 (and to some extend the P-39) was the direct result of a voting.
Forgot the P-47-M
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"if you don't play it my way, you're playing it wrong."
Not really I understand everyone has to have their fun in a game, and I've come to respect that over the years, but there is a bottom line here. That is the point of playing online is to engage in combat against other humans and the diversity that is supposedly meant to bring to gameplay. If you never have any contact or limited contact with combat then whats the point of being online? You may as well buy a boxed offline game and play that.
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hahaha i knew the b29 had 25% wanting it and it was the first round hope its in soon :D
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I voted 410, but im not dissapointed with the 29
Same here. :salute
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Congrats B29 crowd.
This just means I will have to learn how to intercept you and
successfully ruin your day :airplane:
Now is there any way to turn this into a Beaufighter request :pray
I really can't see how this inclusion would ruin AH, adjustments will have to be made,
just as much as they need to be made to ARENA CAPS in EU hours. :D
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Congrats B29 crowd.
This just means I will have to learn how to intercept you and
successfully ruin your day :airplane:
Now is there any way to turn this into a Beaufighter request :pray
I really can't see how this inclusion would ruin AH, adjustments will have to be made,
just as much as they need to be made to ARENA CAPS in EU hours. :D
well you can practice but since the B-29 has no downward looking gunner you can do what luftwaffa pilots did to lancs and straff the bellys.
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well you can practice but since the B-29 has no downward looking gunner you can do what luftwaffa pilots did to lancs and straff the bellys.
So we need the schrage musik loadout and FAST!
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Hey ya think HiTech might re-enable Death Stars just for this one....... :bolt:
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lol. funny. i used to take a B-26 or a boston bomber, and go out looking for lancs to shoot down. what i would do is get under em turn on auto pilot, and take the dorsel turret and shoot the belly of em till they all went down.
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you haven't read any of our conversation have you?
Yes I miss read something!!! still stand by my statement tho! <<S>> :bolt:
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Im quite disappointed about the poll results. Two bombers in the next patch in a game that promote ACM and fighter tactics is way too much, even if this is just another patch and naturally wont be the last. So my remark is that in this specific time frame the add-up plane procedure it is not well balanced as it should be. I just hope for the best in the near future.
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And?
Every plane in AH is being "abused" or used in an ahistorical way. Bombers are no worse than any other plane or GV.
And there's a lot of myth about spawn bombing or divebombing buffs in AH.
The divebombing lancstukas I personally witnessed last night were certainly no myth.
But NO plane in AH is being abused in an ahistorical way like the heavy bombers being used as divebombers.
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The divebombing lancstukas I personally witnessed last night were certainly no myth.
But NO plane in AH is being abused in an ahistorical way like the heavy bombers being used as divebombers.
:lol I see lancstukas all the time pretty common in MAs
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Im quite disappointed about the poll results. Two bombers in the next patch in a game that promote ACM and fighter tactics is way too much, even if this is just another patch and naturally wont be the last. So my remark is that in this specific time frame the add-up plane procedure it is not well balanced as it should be. I just hope for the best in the near future.
Hello Panos,
As HTC said the B29 will go into the next available production slot. It's not even being worked on at this point if I understand the wording correctly. The next update will for sure contain the Betty, who knows what else we got coming? I for one am quite excited. Every new toy is appreciated! As far as the game promoting ACM and fighter tactics, I have never seen this description used by HTC. This game promotes combat with WW II fighters, bombers & vehicles.
:salute
Way
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Hello Panos,
As HTC said the B29 will go into the next available production slot. It's not even being worked on at this point if I understand the wording correctly. The next update will for sure contain the Betty, who knows what else we got coming? I for one am quite excited. Every new toy is appreciated! As far as the game promoting ACM and fighter tactics, I have never seen this description used by HTC. This game promotes combat with WW II fighters, bombers & vehicles.
:salute
Way
From the front page.
"Aces High is a massive multi-player online combat simulation centered around the World War II air-war. Here are some of the highlights."
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From the front page.
"Aces High is a massive multi-player online combat simulation centered around the World War II air-war. Here are some of the highlights."
And bombers were the core of the air war.
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:lol I see lancstukas all the time pretty common in MAs
We see them every time due to the huge numbers playing. Actually it's just a small part of Lancs that are being used that way.
Same as bombers carpet bombing tanks.
Oh.. I saw fighters being used toally a historically and "dweeby" all the time too..
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We see them every time due to the huge numbers playing. Actually it's just a small part of Lancs that are being used that way.
Same as bombers carpet bombing tanks.
Oh.. I saw fighters being used toally a historically and "dweeby" all the time too..
Umm isn't that the same thing? Don't try your powers of statistics on me snail! :lol
Its pretty much as standard practice with lancs, and considering you can use them this way and its effective, why would you bother doing it the right way?
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Its pretty much as standard practice with lancs,
Dive bombing?
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Dive bombing?
For CVs yes, land based I see more low level carpet bombing
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Did anybody else see the statement in bold? YAK-3!!!!!!!!!
this
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You guys must also consider that a majority of Dickweed,and the 91st probably voted for the 29 to.
Sure did, just think about it.....30 formations of B-29 at 35k........ohhhh mommy :airplane:
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this is true.
But even if it had been voted in back then it would be. As it is now the least needed plane addition to the game.
In WWII its only real significance to the war effort was done on two trips. One over Nagasaki and One over Hiroshima. (significance meaning doing something that bombers in our arsenal didnt already do) While high alt was supposed to be its forte. As often as not its mission altitudes were done at significantly lower altitudes
And the 163 had 8 kills in WWII why is it here?????????
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They have payed the same amount for the same amount of product. So they may have payed for years before me, but I also wasn't receiving the product during that time.
Regardless, they have paid more. :)
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Regardless, they have paid more. :)
:rolleyes:
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:rolleyes:
lol math not your strong point or did you give up? :banana:
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Hello Panos,
As HTC said the B29 will go into the next available production slot. It's not even being worked on at this point if I understand the wording correctly. The next update will for sure contain the Betty, who knows what else we got coming? I for one am quite excited. Every new toy is appreciated! As far as the game promoting ACM and fighter tactics, I have never seen this description used by HTC. This game promotes combat with WW II fighters, bombers & vehicles.
:salute
Way
Waystin,
First of all have no objection about the game definition, nor I want to open a new one, though I may start it. B29 is new toy and I will enjoy also. I’m not against 29. All I’m saying is that we have to keep some kind of balance as it concern new projects.
Aerial combat was what dragged me into the game in the first place and not bombers. I respect people who fly bombers, I fly my self also. I just ask for more fighter options. Despite what Lusche says about “bombers were the core of the air war” allow me to insist saying that “fighters were the main «tool» of the air war”.
That is all. My second argument is about the poll itself.
I don’t think it is fair for anyone having mixed up in a poll fighters and bombers. Sound more logical to me in a future situation where HTC staff wants us to decide which plane will be in the next production slot to create three different categories: bombers, fighter-bombers and fighters.
It is not the best thing to have to choose between WWII era planes, with different mission profile and different main characteristics. Having to choose between a B29 and a Ki 43 is not what common logic dictates. Having to choose between Betty, He 111 and B29, in one category and between a Ki 43, a Yak 3 or a G55 etc in an another one sounds more balanced.
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From the front page.
"Aces High is a massive multi-player online combat simulation centered around the World War II air-war. Here are some of the highlights."
I stand corrected. That is definitely a change to previous game descriptions.
Hey Panos,
No slam or a want on my part to nit-pick. It's just there seems to be some serious grumping over this plane. Heck it's not even in a production slot yet. So at the least we are looking at some time before you ever see it splashed in screenshots on the front web page. Other planes and vehicle are ahead of it's release. I am the first to admit that I was looking for another plane and/or vehicle instead of the B-29. I rarely fly bombers, and when I do it is not a pretty sight! :lol
:salute
Way
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And what does an air-war consist of? ACM and fighter tactics maybe?
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And what does an air-war consist of? ACM and fighter tactics maybe?
Part of the mix, but certainly not all of it: strategic bombing, ground attack, CV CAP, formation flying, field suppression, search/rescue, observation & reconnaissance, etc. We could go on for a while with this list.
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We should elect a committee of AH vets. These vets should select new a/c from lists submitted by HTC. Allowing "squeaks" who won't be playing in 6 weeks to control the future of the game is not a good idea. Me-410
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All AH players are created equal, but some are more equal than others.......
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Could be the most game killing addition to the game yet. I'll be waiting to see how they impliment it without killing the base game.
Yup! :aok :cry
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Votes would be weighted based on time subscribed. There would be a factor assigned. That would mean that they are never equal.
First, read carefully, then comprehend what is being said. If you do, maybe you won't make silly comments like the one above. You obviously think that it is because I wanted a fighter that I am not happy. That is a preconceived notion based on prejudice. From my real life experience, I have come to know that only ignorant people jump to conclusions based on prejudices. For that very reason I was going to wait and see what type of people will be flying the B-29 before I made my final judgement, but I must say you are confirming my suspicions.
Btw, I voted for the He-111. That kind of blows away your "fighter" theory doesn't it?
Based on your theory, a guy has been a subscriber for 8 years. But however he rarely plays but maybe a night or two a week. He has somewhat of a knowledge of WWII. But is a loner and doesn't contribute much to the game due to his inactivity.
Now you take a guy who has been a subscriber for 4 years, He plays the game every night. Runs his own squad and adds a ton of fun and variability to the game.
The first guy will get more votes or his vote will be weighted more than guy number 2 just based on his subcriber length???
HELL! I wish politics were like that!
The fact is that you can NOT alienate potential new long term subscribers by saying there vote will not be considered as equal as someone elses. This is NOT an incintive it would be the opposite. You think people would really throw out 15$ bucks a month just so they could get a bigger say in a vote? Of course not, they throw their 15$ out because of the game. My 15$ is just as equal as yours. The reason why HTC is in business is just as much as my doing as yours, regardless of length of subscribing.
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Did you read the post? I tell you what, go down to your local high school and ask each kid they to list what a HE 111 is and what it was used for, then do the same for the B29. I'm pretty sure that less than 10% will know what a HE 111 is, but the B29 will be much more well known. As for history about WWII these days, most schools cover Pearl harbor, and the 2 Nukes dropped on Japan. Hitler crops up now and then too. :devil
Fugitive, You said that years ago people would have voted by its HISTORICAL IMPORTANCE. Your words. I could get the quote but can't be bothered going back through 6 pages to find it. If that was true the HE 111 would have been in a long time ago. Are you honestly trying to tell me that the HE 111 wasn't important? I know your smarter than that.
My point was not that people would know the HE 111 more than the B29. I would always say people in High School with a basic knowledge in WW2 would know a B29 more than a HE111. I was arguing the fact that you say that the B29 would not have been voted in since it was not as historically important as other planes. Surely, SURELY a plane that served from 1939-1945 across all the ETO, through many differant guises is more Historially important? In which case, why was it not added 10 years ago?
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Heaven forbid we have the opportunity to intercept or escort more heavy bombers coming in at alt.
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Fugitive, You said that years ago people would have voted by its HISTORICAL IMPORTANCE. Your words. I could get the quote but can't be bothered going back through 6 pages to find it. If that was true the HE 111 would have been in a long time ago. Are you honestly trying to tell me that the HE 111 wasn't important? I know your smarter than that.
My point was not that people would know the HE 111 more than the B29. I would always say people in High School with a basic knowledge in WW2 would know a B29 more than a HE111. I was arguing the fact that you say that the B29 would not have been voted in since it was not as historically important as other planes. Surely, SURELY a plane that served from 1939-1945 across all the ETO, through many differant guises is more Historially important? In which case, why was it not added 10 years ago?
I voted for the HE111 because it's my favorite bomber beside the B17. However the B29 is a great addition. Back in High School in history class we had to do a presentation on WWII. I chose to do a presentation on the great game makers as far as aviation in the Pacific and European theaters. I chose 4 planes from each side in each theater.
A kid sitting next to me wanted to do something very similar to what I was doing except over the American bombing campaign in Europe. He listed the P-51 as having 10 .50 cal at standard loadout, that the B17 was the most produced bomber, and he even mixed up the pictures with a P-40 and a P-51. My jaw dropped to the freaking floor and the kicker was that people were going to eat that bull$%#@ and say it tasted like pie.
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Hey Flip.... pick me up some of those new NASA brand diapers for long drives. I will be doing some long flights in my 38 soon. :D
I'm over here in Deer Park and can't get by there during business hours.
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And what does an air-war consist of? ACM and fighter tactics maybe?
Fighters exist to control airspace to allow bombing, reconnaissance, transportation, and denying the enemy access to the same.
Playing with fighters is fun and glamorous, but not an end in itself, at least in the real world.
On the OP: B-29 is not the end of the game. How many passes will it take to drop the payload? I usually make two or three passes with B-17s ...
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I voted for the HE111 because it's my favorite bomber beside the B17. However the B29 is a great addition. Back in High School in history class we had to do a presentation on WWII. I chose to do a presentation on the great game makers as far as aviation in the Pacific and European theaters. I chose 4 planes from each side in each theater.
A kid sitting next to me wanted to do something very similar to what I was doing except over the American bombing campaign in Europe. He listed the P-51 as having 10 .50 cal at standard loadout, that the B17 was the most produced bomber, and he even mixed up the pictures with a P-40 and a P-51. My jaw dropped to the freaking floor and the kicker was that people were going to eat that bull$%#@ and say it tasted like pie.
Don't get me wrong, I have been in this game long enough to realise that any addition is a good one. I'm looking forward to flying the B29. However to say that it is more historically important that the HE111 seems a bit fishy yea?
Unfortunatly due to burn out, I no longer fly online. Doesn't mean I don't care what goes into this game. I would have voted for the HE 111, I did in the last poll and I'm still waiting to see it added.
The point of my post is not that the HE 111 hasn't been added, more that Fugitive stated that 10 years ago we would have voted in a plane that was used in many areas of WW2, would fill a gap in the plane set and would be a good addition to the FSO and the SE arena. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but the HE 111 ticks all of those boxes, so why has it not been added? To say that a plane would be added many years ago for differant reasons seems to be looking back with Rose tinted glasses about how good everything was. Clearly that is/was not the case as otherwise the HE 111 would already be in game.
:aok
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Hey Flip.... pick me up some of those new NASA brand diapers for long drives. I will be doing some long flights in my 38 soon. :D
I'm over here in Deer Park and can't get by there during business hours.
Im testing out the diapers as we speak, will get back to you on how it holds out...
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We should elect a committee of AH vets. These vets should select new a/c from lists submitted by HTC. Allowing "squeaks" who won't be playing in 6 weeks to control the future of the game is not a good idea. Me-410
We would have had the Beaufighter then. :aok
Actually, if you look at the voting, everything but the B-29 was pretty even past the first round. That either signals a distinct polarization or the fact that no one really cares. Also, there was no "don't care" on the vote breakdown. Did anyone vote that way?
At any rate, the active, playing customers have spoken. Live with it.
wrongway
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I would love having the He111 in game and look forward to it when it gets here, provided I'm still playing.
For shets and geggles: I would say that the He111 was not a game changer for the luftwaffe and probably didn't have much strategic impact after mid 41. I would say on the Western front the He111s biggest claim to fame was helping lose the Battle of Britain.
Still it had a beauty all its own.
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Can't wait to fly this mutha' :banana:
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Hey Flip.... pick me up some of those new NASA brand diapers for long drives. I will be doing some long flights in my 38 soon. :D
I'm over here in Deer Park and can't get by there during business hours.
Yo shuffler, yeah... those NASA diapers no bueno
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Yo shuffler, yeah... those NASA diapers no bueno
Well the dang hose is going to get a workout then. Hunting 29s will be fun. I'll alert S.A.P.P.
Thanks for testing them. Would be terrible to find out they fail on the first long run.
I truely was not aware that the first test between Texas and Florida failed.
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Well shoot, the 91st has a surplus we can send you.
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Can't wait to fly this mutha' :banana:
MOM mission ETA? :O :O :O
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Excellent ! Another plane added to a game that was great when I started and keeps giving me more than I originally signed up for. BONUS! A well known, and popular plane also. Maybe something to lure a few more new players to this great community. Maybe the next guy checking out whether he should sign up or not, sees the availibily of the B29 and thats what finally gets him to plunk his 15 bucks down.
I love the high altitude "intercept the buffs chess match" we already have. More challenge, more fun.
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hay when you post the development screen shots get a good one of the nose. i like how it looks its cool like my name. hehehe i bet it wont fit in the hanger :lol
Excellent ! Another plane added to a game that was great when I started and keeps giving me more than I originally signed up for. BONUS! A well known, and popular plane also. Maybe something to lure a few more new players to this great community. Maybe the next guy checking out whether he should sign up or not, sees the availibily of the B29 and thats what finally gets him to plunk his 15 bucks down.
I love the high altitude "intercept the buffs chess match" we already have. More challenge, more fun.
sounds good to me :salute
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Fugitive, You said that years ago people would have voted by its HISTORICAL IMPORTANCE. Your words. I could get the quote but can't be bothered going back through 6 pages to find it. If that was true the HE 111 would have been in a long time ago. Are you honestly trying to tell me that the HE 111 wasn't important? I know your smarter than that.
My point was not that people would know the HE 111 more than the B29. I would always say people in High School with a basic knowledge in WW2 would know a B29 more than a HE111. I was arguing the fact that you say that the B29 would not have been voted in since it was not as historically important as other planes. Surely, SURELY a plane that served from 1939-1945 across all the ETO, through many differant guises is more Historially important? In which case, why was it not added 10 years ago?
But that is my point, 90% today's player couldn't tell you how many engines are on a HE111, but 10 years ago 90% of the players not only would know that, but all sorts more information. I hardly think an informed group would have picked the B29 out of that group of planes. It would NOT have been ignored due to its history, but all of the other planes would have been given more due only because the players back then were more into the "history" of the game. Todays players are mostly those out to get the best score and win the war. They have little or no knowledge of the history of the planes and vehicles, nor of their uses.
Read the "wish list" most of the wishes are for things that make winning the war faster and easier. uber planes, uber vehicles, game play changes that take away the challenge of the game. For the most part, today's players haven't got a clue about WWII. The B29 won because it was the only plane on the list they recognized, or thought will carry more bombs faster to the site they wish to flatten, that's it.
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The real winners here are the ones that voted for the B29, not fly it but just for the entrainment/paranoia value it has already added to the board.
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speaking of bombers. just got done watching WW2inHD "The Air War" (Europe).
didnt know the 8thAF lost 26,000 men, more than the marines did in all of WW2.
:salute to the Veterans.
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From the picture on the main page, it is safe to assume that it's the A model that we'll be getting. Honestly, other than extending the runways to so the B-29 could take off (Currently, runways aren't long enough) there really isn't anything that needs to be done for the sake of game play that would require the B-29 to be nerfed in anyway.
It's going to take a long time for the B-29 to climb to high altitudes, and they will be extremely vulnerable at this stage. They're going to be a tricky nut to crack but I look at it as a challenge. I can honestly say that I have turned completely around about the B-29 since I did a little more in-depth research into both the A and B models. Other than a hefty perk price and maybe only allowing single ships instead of formations, I don't see any negatives to the B-29 being added.
If we had gotten the B model instead, well, then maybe my views wouldn't have changed that readily.
ack-ack
The one thing that I overlooked, and I am a bit concerned about (and yes I voted for the B-29), is that IF the plane is perked...this may result in the unintended consequence of bomber pilots running noe milk runs in normal un-perked bombers to pad bomber perks...
I hope this is not the case...
Out
Oneway
Edit: Logical and potential common sense restrictions for the B-29:
1) Restrict them to rear bases, along the lines of the 163...except more than just one base...make it time expensive to fly them to discourage potential abuse
2) Perk them at a reasonable level (less than the 234)
3) Possible reduction in present bomb perk points awarded for other bombers to discourage milk running
There are ways to manage this and make a ton of fun for the pro bomber guys, while kneecapping the gamers who abuse level bombers...
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..this may result in the unintended consequence of bomber pilots running noe milk runs in normal un-perked bombers to pad bomber perks...
This would be a bad way to get perks. You do not really want to get shot down when perk farming in a buff
The most efficient ways to get perks are ) traditional role: To inflict a lot of damage, kill a few fighters and then get home and land
or b) Kill gvs in a low eny bomber like the B5N (you can really rack up a lot of perks in short time by doing that - been there, done that.)
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This would be a bad way to get perks. You do not really want to get shot down when perk farming in a buff
The most efficient ways to get perks are ) traditional role: To inflict a lot of damage, kill a few fighters and then get home and land
or b) Kill gvs in a low eny bomber like the B5N (you can really rack up a lot of perks in short time by doing that - been there, done that.)
I completely agree Lusche...the other thing that makes a difference in big perks is not losing drones...
Perk farmers should be drawn and quartered...
I sure hope they restrict them to the rear bases...the last thing I want is to have them get a bad name because some rotten apples abuse them from middle and forward bases...serious bomber pilots don't mind at all flying 2 plus hour missions...
:aok
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Perk farmers should be drawn and quartered...
Dumb question: Why?
Is it bad to fly a high eny plane, earn some perks and then spend it on low eny planes? I mean, that's what the perk system was made for.
I used to earn a lot of perks in 109F &G, 190A-5, and then I spend them on 262's and Tempests (I lost perk planes with a combined unmodified net worth of 42,000 perks)
If I would play AH when the B-29 is being introduced, I would skip my trusty Hurri D for a tour and go back to the B5N... for obvious reasons ;)
I sure hope they restrict them to the rear bases.
That one will absolutely guarantee that the B-29 you will see are at maximum possible altitude. You would deprive yourself of all the fun of shooting down heavily perked bombers on climbout at 5k :D
Perks alone are quite a good tool to regulate overall usage.
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Lusche,
I am a bomber pilot that flies the bomber the way it was designed to be used...I take the time to fly from rear bases already...I hope they force them to be flown from rear bases so dweebs won't up them and abuse them...
Also I dislike the perk farming bomber guys who sneak around noe when the arena load is light pumping up their objects destroyed...
I will add one more restriction I would like to see on the B-29 (keep in mind I am going to be flying them)....I would like to see a minimum altitude for level drop of something along the lines of at least 3k if not 5k...heck I would even be happy to see it 10k...
The last thing I want to see is guys doing the Lanka Stuka thing in B-29's...maybe your right the perk thing will prevent that...I hope so
Out
Oneway
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I will add one more restriction I would like to see on the B-29 (keep in mind I am going to be flying them)....I would like to see a minimum altitude for level drop of something along the lines of at least 3k if not 5k...heck I would even be happy to see it 10k...
I'm strongly against any artificial performance limits to guide gameplay into way perceived "right" direction. Could a bomber open the doors and drop from 1k? Why should our not.
This would be the same thing as giving fighters a front quarter invulnerability to "prevent Hoing"
And don't forget, noe bombers do rarely survive at all in AH. Base & town ack will shred you. And if they don't, a single fighter guy will drool about the easy kills.
I'm sure most fighter guys will be much more happy about noe buffs than those at "realistic" 24k ;)
On a final note... I'm quite uncomfortable with the term "abuse".
We often resort to completely different tactics - not only in bombers but also fighters and GV - because the combat environment is a completely different than the real WW2 one. Tactics are the result of circumstances.
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Thats it. I QUIT :bolt:
for two weeks right? :rofl
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the 29 should only be available at Red command bases only & the 163 should be de-perked & available at more bases to deal with the increased threat. :banana: :neener:
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De-perk the 163 to kill 29's and put it at more bases. :banana: :neener:
Now that would kill the game as we know it :lol
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Lusche..are you done with AH? Your retired? If so I may come back to fly b29s.
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The last thing I want to see is guys doing the Lanka Stuka thing in B-29's...maybe your right the perk thing will prevent that...I hope so
Drop altitude restrictions won't fix this.
Disabling the ability to drop from the cockpit in 4-engine bombers and forcing them to bomb from the bombardier's position WILL.
the 29 should only be available at Red command bases only & the 163 should be de-perked & available at more bases to deal with the increased threat. :banana: :neener:
I don't even stick around in areas where 262s are operating, and already don't fly near the 163 base. Nothing ruins a good furball faster than the damn jets and rockets.
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Lusche..are you done with AH? Your retired? If so I may come back to fly b29s.
Done? Not completely (as you can see ;) ). I'm still lurking around, ready to resub immediatley when a solution for the caps problem has been found. :x
Meanwhile I'm preparing my AH stats evaluation for 2010 (had to program a few new tools for that) and I'm contemplating to write a new plane comparison tool.. maybe a new player stats application... if my ADD lets me :lol
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Lushce..caps problem? Had to ask.
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Lushce..caps problem? Had to ask.
Something having nothing to do with the topic of this thread... I don't want to turn this into another "caps sucks!" -"No it doesn't!" -"Yes, it does!" thread ;)
We should stay focused on the B-29 and how it will destroy the game! :noid
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Disabling the ability to drop from the cockpit in 4-engine bombers and forcing them to bomb from the bombardier's position WILL.
I agree completely. Apply it to any multi crewed bomber that had a bombsight in a seperate position.
Seems like a do-able fix to me. Send it to the wish list!
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I agree completely. Apply it to any multi crewed bomber that had a bombsight in a seperate position.
Seems like a do-able fix to me. Send it to the wish list!
Problem is aircraft like the B-25C gunship, B-26 and JU-88. Heck, even the TBM has a bombsight in a separate position.
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compromise is the spice of life! or something like that.
Agreed I guess. The TBM actually did some shallow dive bombing. I guess apply to the heavies only.
Still a damned good idea.
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27 degree dive angle bomb sight in the lancs never got used tho! :bolt:
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Thankfully Hitech has hinted that AH will never have an artificial system limiting bomb drop angles.
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I thought I might as well post some of the biggest B29 threads.
bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,158975,1785.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,158975,1785.html)
Skuzzy combined most of the big B29 threads into one. You can see where I start off my B29 thread at page 120.
This is to all you guys saying there will never be a B29 in the game.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/310D456VCRL.SL500-AA300_.jpg)
(http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/bomber/b-29_02.jpg)
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Wow.
Not that I'm surprised (not surprised in the least), but as has been said previously, there had better be some serious handicapping so that it doesn't totally break the game. I'm sure HTC will do it just fine, but I'm just throwing in my two cents.
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I thought I might as well post some of the biggest B29 threads.
bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,158975,1785.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,158975,1785.html)
Skuzzy combined most of the big B29 threads into one. You can see where I start off my B29 thread at page 120.
This is to all you guys saying there will never be a B29 in the game.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/310D456VCRL.SL500-AA300_.jpg)
(http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/bomber/b-29_02.jpg)
So? still sucks... :neener:
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oh bite me Stealth :D
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Wow.
Not that I'm surprised (not surprised in the least), but as has been said previously, there had better be some serious handicapping so that it doesn't totally break the game. I'm sure HTC will do it just fine, but I'm just throwing in my two cents.
What makes you think that the B29 is going to "break the game" in it's standard form? I mean I know it's going to be perked but beyond that what makes it the B29 of DOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMM?
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I'm kind of looking forward to the B-29. Maybe it finally get HTC to improve the strategic game and make it worth something to spend 45 minutes flying to enemy factories or HQ.
I don't think the B-29 will be the game changer everyone thinks though - at low altitudes it will get torn to shreds, and not that many people have the patience to climb bombers up to 25K+.
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The moment the 29 is active we will lay waste to every field and every fighter....
/Sarcasm
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It'll be interesting. Will they be able to model the engine overheating issues? What about the non-boosted controls? I also believe the flaps were worked from a position other than the pilots seat. What about the remote controlled turrets?
Interesting indeed
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It'll be interesting. Will they be able to model the engine overheating issues? What about the non-boosted controls? I also believe the flaps were worked from a position other than the pilots seat. What about the remote controlled turrets?
Interesting indeed
Do they model engine problems in any other aircraft?
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nope, never
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Drop altitude restrictions won't fix this.
Disabling the ability to drop from the cockpit in 4-engine bombers and forcing them to bomb from the bombardier's position WILL.
Damn right
:aok :aok :aok
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I'm strongly against any artificial performance limits to guide gameplay into way perceived "right" direction. Could a bomber open the doors and drop from 1k? Why should our not.
This would be the same thing as giving fighters a front quarter invulnerability to "prevent Hoing"
And don't forget, noe bombers do rarely survive at all in AH. Base & town ack will shred you. And if they don't, a single fighter guy will drool about the easy kills.
I'm sure most fighter guys will be much more happy about noe buffs than those at "realistic" 24k ;)
On a final note... I'm quite uncomfortable with the term "abuse".
We often resort to completely different tactics - not only in bombers but also fighters and GV - because the combat environment is a completely different than the real WW2 one. Tactics are the result of circumstances.
On the other hand. and keep in mind im not much of a GVer.
Nothing sucks more when being in a GV fight and having somone up in a bomber at treetop level and carpet bomb the fight.
A good deal of NOE bombers arent going for the perks but for the horde base capture. Most of the time they dont care if they get shot down as it only means they dont have to take the time to fly back home and can come back even sooner with another load.
This is why during base defense I rarely go after buffs at any alt after they have dropped their load. To do so only invites them to come back that much sooner.
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Fugitive, You said that years ago people would have voted by its HISTORICAL IMPORTANCE. Your words. I could get the quote but can't be bothered going back through 6 pages to find it. If that was true the HE 111 would have been in a long time ago. Are you honestly trying to tell me that the HE 111 wasn't important? I know your smarter than that.
My point was not that people would know the HE 111 more than the B29. I would always say people in High School with a basic knowledge in WW2 would know a B29 more than a HE111. I was arguing the fact that you say that the B29 would not have been voted in since it was not as historically important as other planes. Surely, SURELY a plane that served from 1939-1945 across all the ETO, through many differant guises is more Historially important? In which case, why was it not added 10 years ago?
The only reason people know the B-29 is because of the Atomic bomb drops on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. You ask your HS'er what they know about the 29 and thats what they will answer. If the atomic bombs were dropped from a B-17 and not the 29. then the 29 would be merely an honorable mention footnote as a late war bomber. Few would be able to tell you anything else about it. As it stands now. If you randomly asked a bunch of HSers or even adults. few would be able to tell you anything else about it.
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On the other hand. and keep in mind im not much of a GVer.
Nothing sucks more when being in a GV fight and having somone up in a bomber at treetop level and carpet bomb the fight.
This is usually a point where I yell some very nasty stuff towards my screen - even if it was a friendly "helping" us :devil
However, it's only a tiny fraction of tanks that get killed by heavys that way.
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The only reason people know the B-29 is because of the Atomic bomb drops on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. You ask your HS'er what they know about the 29 and thats what they will answer. If the atomic bombs were dropped from a B-17 and not the 29. then the 29 would be merely an honorable mention footnote as a late war bomber. Few would be able to tell you anything else about it. As it stands now. If you randomly asked a bunch of HSers or even adults. few would be able to tell you anything else about it.
Ask a group of HSers or collage kids who the last 4 Presidents were and they would say" Let me look that up on my I-Phone"
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Anyone know what the bag limit will be on opening day? :devil Do we need a permit for more?
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lol no permit to shoot them and no bag limit. There will probably be a perk permit for flying one.
You will probably see them in 4 or 5 months.
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Well good. I'll need the huge targets when i return to game play. :lol
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So let me just get this straight..................... ........ All of the people playing the game are ignorant and that's the only reason the B29 won....... They couldn't think of anything better to vote for?
I voted B29, I'm a bomber pilot. I think most, if not all buff sticks went the way of the B29.
As it stands right now (current tour), 3143 have upped a Fighter, 2229 have upped a Bomber, 1897 have upped an Attacker & 2288 have upped in a GV. So one might say if it was just "down to the masses" it could be easily correlated that since only 2 bombers were there, the popular vote went to the B29 instead of the Heinkel, and the fighter voters were split up in too many ways, with some spread out to the Attackers. (A26 / ME410)
I find it to be less about ignorance, but rather choice. Sure I want the Heinkel too, but I'd rather see the Superfortress first. After all, the B29 has been around for a very long time and we are just now seeing it........ :aok
Image Courtesy of Lusche:
(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1517/perks29.jpg)
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I wonder if the poll we had is actually what planes will get added next. B-29 1st, 410 2nd, A-26 3rd, He-111 4th, etc, etc. When we get to the Ki-45 or the Pe-2, they will toss out another poll? Would you guys agree with that line of addition if they went that route? It WOULD give them a set line to follow, which would probably help them out a bit. They know what to look for already and could probably crank out planes a little quicker. They may be able to toss in a few GV's in there as a bonus because they already have that set line of planes to add next or do a GV poll. :x
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Of the original eight, the only one I didn't want was the A-26. I voted for the 410, but I am happy with the 29 as well.
Not everybody who voted for the 410 is horrified at the 29.
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Of the original eight, the only one I didn't want was the A-26. I voted for the 410, but I am happy with the 29 as well.
Not everybody who voted for the 410 is horrified at the 29.
I voted 410 not that I really wanted it but simply because it was the lesser of several evils (the B29 being the biggest evil) and might well be interesting. I view shooting bombers the same way I view shooting field ack guns, very dull and pointless.
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I wonder if the poll we had is actually what planes will get added next. B-29 1st, 410 2nd, A-26 3rd, He-111 4th, etc, etc. When we get to the Ki-45 or the Pe-2, they will toss out another poll? Would you guys agree with that line of addition if they went that route? It WOULD give them a set line to follow, which would probably help them out a bit. They know what to look for already and could probably crank out planes a little quicker. They may be able to toss in a few GV's in there as a bonus because they already have that set line of planes to add next or do a GV poll. :x
Careful I said the same thing in a couple of other threads & was flamed for it. That aside I will agree with you.
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I voted 410 not that I really wanted it but simply because it was the lesser of several evils (the B29 being the biggest evil) and might well be interesting. I view shooting bombers the same way I view shooting field ack guns, very dull and pointless.
Seems the Ki-43 would have been best for you then.
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This is usually a point where I yell some very nasty stuff towards my screen - even if it was a friendly "helping" us :devil
However, it's only a tiny fraction of tanks that get killed by heavys that way.
A much larger fraction immediately towers after realizing they're grouped up with the majority of their comrads in the area (typicaly as they all converge together to camp a spawn point) and are dead in the path of the incoming carnage, then ups a WW to try with thousands upon thousands of rounds tp shoot down buffs that just happen to be conveniently cruising only inches beyond their maximum effective 20mm gun range. :devil
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Do they model engine problems in any other aircraft?
No, they don't, but it would be a good one to start with. The engines on the B 29 was its Achilles Heel. If it was not flown with the correct technique it would burn itself out of the sky very quickly.
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Im ok with the B29. It will be fun to fly and equally fun to shoot down. :salute
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somethin occured to me today.. how much flying is actually done in bombers? 99% of the flight they're on autopilot.
:D
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No, they don't, but it would be a good one to start with. The engines on the B 29 was its Achilles Heel. If it was not flown with the correct technique it would burn itself out of the sky very quickly.
My understanding was that these engine problems primarily occurred on the ground or during takeoff, NOT mid-flight and on landing. Let's not use this as an excuse to introduce the exaggerated engine overheats plaguing other sims.
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:lol :aok :lol
somethin occured to me today.. how much flying is actually done in bombers? 99% of the flight they're on autopilot.
:D
Except when I am diving my Mossie away from your Jug........ :D
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As a fighter pilot I might see a large target that gives good points when shot down. There is some quite fast high-altitude interceptors in game. Don't whine.
As a bomber pilot I might see a bit more of bombs and a bit more of guns, but a heavy load of perk points. Of course you will lose points if you go dive bombing with the equipment that isn't for that purpose. Don't whine.
I might fly a B-29, or something that is trying to shoot down a B-29. Only time will tell.
PS. If engines were correctly modelled, there wouldn't be any pilots in game. Skilled ones might get overbored while others trying to get any plane in the air without blowing their engines.
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Of the original eight, the only one I didn't want was the A-26. I voted for the 410, but I am happy with the 29 as well.
Not everybody who voted for the 410 is horrified at the 29.
hehehe im not im going to fly it after im back online and get all my bomber perks back. look out for the b17 im in (im good in the gunners :P :D ).
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HTC can only offer a poll and declare the winner. Why one aircraft was chosen over others requires a controled EXIT poll. Not by speculation here because only a small percentage of the voters bother to read these forums. Based on HTC's published breakdown most of you have surmised within tollerances the spread of the games players interests and generational appitites. But, not the actual voter block percentages.
The exit poll would have to be part of the MOTD poll.
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Please Answer one of the following about your self and your choice:
[ ] Buzz off and It's none of your business.
I am:
[ ] under 15 - 15
[ ] 16 - 25
[ ] 26 - 35
[ ] 36 - 45
[ ] 46 - 55
[ ] 56 - 65
[ ] 66 and We are honored by your experiences.
My Playing Style is:
[ ] 1. A hardcore AH player spending more than 2 hours a night and 3 nights a week playing.
[ ] 2. A player only interested in the special arenas and events like FSO and AvA.
[ ] 3. A recreational player spending at most an hour 2-3 evenings a week.
[ ] 4. I play infrequently but when I can get the time.
[ ] 5. I live in the DA.
I voted for my aircraft because:
[ ] a. A favorite historical aircraft.
[ ] b. I beleive it will enhance my game experience.
[ ] c. It's powerful and fast and I WANT IT!
[ ] d. Seemed like a good choice.
[ ] e. A freind told me to vote for it.
[ ] f. I read about it on the internet or the game forums.
[ ] g. Who cares...........
Be careful what you think you want to know.
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I probably would have restricted voting to people with 6 months or more AH experience, those who know which plane would or wouldn't enhance or harm MA play. Can't wait for all our Knights fields to be completely de-FH'd from 40k tho! (A Luftwhine has been recorded) :P
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I probably would have restricted voting to people with 6 months or more AH experience, those who know which plane would or wouldn't enhance or harm MA play. Can't wait for all our Knights fields to be completely de-FH'd from 40k tho! (A Luftwhine has been recorded) :P
bah.. more likely, flight of 8 b29 formations on first pass drop every hangar, except VH and 2 FH's. of the 3 formations trailing a minute behind the "mission", 2 drop on the same ord bunker, one .salvo 40 's about 2000 yds off the field into the forest. after they spend 10 minutes hanging a U turn, the main group comes back over all miscalibrated and by sheer luck ends up getting the 1 of the remaining fh's, because all 8 of em dropped on the same one. by the time they turn around again, the original hangars are up, and half the guys are out of bombs. most of the ords are down, and fuel bunkers and radar have taken a beating, but FH's are still up. :aok
I aint sweatin it :neener: