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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Getback on April 08, 2012, 09:04:03 PM
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For some reason they didn't take the PC or the monitor. They did get the TV. We think a neighbor interrupted them. She gave detail of the suspects and the vehicle.
It sure takes away from that once almost secure feeling. The police said they missed a lot and will probably be back. I'm trying to secure the place but that takes money. So far I've put bars up in the window they broke in on and have alerted my neighbors to be on the look out. Found out today the neighbor across the street was broken into as well. Same M.O. They broke out a rear window and crawled in. Not sure how they did it but they got my 42 inch flat panel out that broken window. The doors are dead bolted. I believe they could get it out diagonally but they must have taken the base off. With all the jagged glass I feel they must have scratched it up pretty good and it may not be useful to them. That's what I'm hoping.
So instead of playing AH I've been working on the house. Fortunately I had replaced a window a couple of years ago and kept it. The panes fit right into the broken window and that was fixed in minutes. Took a bit to figure out the bars but that wasn't too bad except my cordless drill was dead and the bolts that came with it where like butter. Then I had to replace the blinds. Not a bad job but it took a bit of measuring. Since I replaced one I replaced another. There are still 2 windows I am concerned about but that has to wait.
I have plans to make the place more secure but those cannot be done instantly. Going to grab a couple more window bars tomorrow and a lock for the computer room. None of this stuff guarantees anything but maybe if I make it difficult enough they will be dissuaded. Later I'm putting up a driveway gate so they can't pull into the driveway. There other things I'm going to do as well that won't cost money but will require time.
I am thinking about an alarm system and/or a dog. Not sure of either. I don't trust alarm companies for the most part and taking care of a dog is quite a chore at times.
Going to be a long day tomorrow.
Going to be a long day at work tomorrow.
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Don't you hate that.
Had a burglar come in our house a few years back. Too bad for him I was home at the time. My 9mm outclassed his fish-bonker bat. The look on his face was priceless when he came around the corner and looked down the muzzle of my pistol. :D
He left much quicker than he came in.
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Don't you hate that.
Had a burglar come in our house a few years back. Too bad for him I was home at the time. My 9mm outclassed his fish-bonker bat. The look on his face was priceless when he came around the corner and looked down the muzzle of my pistol. :D
He left much quicker than he came in.
:rofl
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Don't you hate that.
Had a burglar come in our house a few years back. Too bad for him I was home at the time. My 9mm outclassed his fish-bonker bat. The look on his face was priceless when he came around the corner and looked down the muzzle of my pistol. :D
He left much quicker than he came in.
I'm surprised he didn't come back when you not home to take your gun.
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I'm surprised he didn't come back when you not home to take your gun.
He's more than welcome to lug my extremely heavy safe out. :D
More than likely he'll go to a different house as criminals hate victims having guns.
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Ask a friend for some empty ammo boxes, leave them around the windows.
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Ask a friend for some empty ammo boxes, leave them around the windows.
When we lived downtown our apartment (duplex) had a large window in the door. Just inside the door on the wall the wife hung one of my qualification silhouettes with the center shot out of it. :D
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Sorry to hear that Getback. It must be a chitty feeling to not have peace of mind in your own home.
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Locking up things is one thing. Nothing you can reasonably do will make the house impregnable. The best defense is to make it look like there is someone there all the time. Make it look like it is not locked up and some one is home and the majority of burglars will pass it by. Not all of them just most of them. Doesn't mean you shouldn't lock the doors and windows. Have some timers to start things like the TV and or radio. Lights turning on and off at times will help out so that it looks like the place is occupied. Starting the garden sprinkler looks good too. If you can set the watering system, assuming you have one, to work during the hours you are working makes it look like you are taking care of the yard.
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Are you able to get a dog? Thieves don't much like German Shepherds.
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Cheap & will keep the average thief thinking.
http://www.reddotsecurity.com/5-inch-ir-dummy-camera-in-circular-outdoor-housing-with-light-silver.html
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My house was broken into last Nov. All they took was my 50" tv.
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Something else you can do to discourage thieves when you aren't home... Leave a radio on, preferably a talk radio channel. From outside the home, the thief will hear voices.
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Are you able to get a dog? Thieves don't much like German Shepherds.
That is correct, sir :aok
If a criminal is dumb enough to ignore my sign woe be unto them.
If I have the hund with me, the cameras will see who it was and record it.
If it happens when my wife is home, I hope they have decided between cremation or burial...
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Dog-1.jpg)
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/HOUSECAMERA.jpg)
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Cheap & will keep the average thief thinking.
http://www.reddotsecurity.com/5-inch-ir-dummy-camera-in-circular-outdoor-housing-with-light-silver.html
thatnks for the link theses are cheaper and better looking than the ones home depot carry even the cheap looking one i have fooled a friend of mine
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Same thing happen to me a few month's ago but i was home, It sounded like window broke (1am) so i grab my 12 gauge pump then headed down to the 1st floor as soon as i turned the corner there he was trying to pick up my TV witch was bolted to the wall, The look on his face when he heared me pump the gun made my day, It went from i am stealing your tv face to oh watermelon i just filled my short's, I didn't let him leave, Waited till the sheriffs got here to take him in, But the look on his face was priceless.
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Decided to go with an alarm.
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Don't put the stupid sign out front! Let the screaming alarm let them know your protected.
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Sorry to hear about this Getback.
Just remember that alarms don't stop thieves they just let them know that the police and/or the homeowner have been alerted. If they are determined they still get the luxury of a few minutes (if the local PD is on their game, many more minutes if they PD is tied up on something else) to get whatever they came for and get out.
Be sure to go with an external siren if your municipality/homeowners association allows for them. I've seen more then one badguy scramble once he busted the window in and heard a 120db siren screaming to the neighbors. Also there are some really loud indoor sirens you can get also... makes it extremely uncomfortable to be around them for more then a few seconds. Also stops the badguy from being able to hear IF someone is in the house or coming up to it.
Shop around your local alarm guys.. if your house isn't prewired then be prepared to go with wireless... nowadays they are just as solid as wired but you do have the hassle of changing battery's every 1-3 years (model dependent).
Another upside is that if your neighbors don't have alarm signs out and you do... your usually the last to get hit. A camera out front and back is always a good bet also.. fake or otherwise.
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Sorry to hear about that Getback. IF anyone tries that at our house, between my Wife or Father or myself, they'll leave in a body bag. Someone is home 24/7 with numerous defensive weapons (9 mm, .45 Cal, 12 gauge, 16 gauge) stashed around the house. Texas does NOT tolerate that! We now have the "Castle Law" which means our vehicles are an extension of our homes, which also allows us to carry hidden weapons in our vehicles for self protection. :mad:
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The look on his face when he heared me pump the gun made my day,
Not to be a dick, but you are lucky we wasn't armed. You hear someone in your home and decide to confront them, rack it quietly first. A prepared adversary will not give you a chance when you "walk up" on them.
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Getback, smart choice on the alarm. A determined burglar will come back. Make sure your siren is also an exterior that your neighbors can hear. Also, make sure you do not set it off unintentionally too often. Wish you better luck in the future.
One thing I can say for certain is that thieves suck.
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Not to be a dick, but you are lucky we wasn't armed. You hear someone in your home and decide to confront them, rack it quietly first. A prepared adversary will not give you a chance when you "walk up" on them.
How very true :aok
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If someone ever breaks into my house, here in tennesse its the the stand your ground law, I hope they enjoy 5-10 rounds of .223 hps, btw, I can empty a 30 mag clip in less then 15 seconds into a 3-5 inch group , and we can shoot em as soon as they get in the house, and I shoot first and call the cops later.
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If someone ever breaks into my house, here in tennesse its the the stand your ground law, I hope they enjoy 5-10 rounds of .223 hps, btw, I can empty a 30 mag clip in less then 15 seconds into a 3-5 inch group , and we can shoot em as soon as they get in the house, and I shoot first and call the cops later.
Shooting .223 in a house? Hope you don't kill any of your neighbors. I'm a believer in frangible home defense rounds.
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If someone ever breaks into my house, here in tennesse its the the stand your ground law, I hope they enjoy 5-10 rounds of .223 hps, btw, I can empty a 30 mag clip in less then 15 seconds into a 3-5 inch group , and we can shoot em as soon as they get in the house, and I shoot first and call the cops later.
Uhh...a little unnecessary. .223 may be the worst choice. Will go right through a person and into things behind it. HD rounds
Beat me to it.
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Hollow points boys, where live, they will not over penetrate and kill my neighbors, I own a glock 17 , but , i just feel alot better fighting with my AR platform, I would rather use my AR, , and besides, I live in the country so.
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I live in the country too. But I still wouldn't clear my own house with an AR if my life depended on it. Too big and bulky going around corners, if you're walking in a set shoot position the guy is going to see the muzzle before you even are close to walking around the corner.
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You guys are a bunch of badasses.
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I'd use pistols in close.
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I'd use pistols in close.
Same here, although I do have a double barreled 12 guage coach gun which is short enough to be easy to move with in a close space.
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You guys are a bunch of badasses.
They would skip my house because I keep a light on.
If they didn't, I'd stop them with a broom.
If there were too many of them, I'd escape on my scooter.
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They would skip my house because I keep a light on.
If they didn't, I'd stop them with a broom.
If there were too many of them, I'd escape on my scooter.
Good luck with that. :)
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If you know how to work a gun in close quaters , splice your corners right , some body is in for a bad surprise, the rounds i use will not penetrate my house walls, and if they do they will lose their velocity before they get out of the house. I use .223, and not my 9mm beacouse, .223 one to me the mechanics are easier, two iam more accuarte, and three iam better able to fight with an ar then a glock,
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I'd use pistols in close.
I send the dog, first.
Then the wife.
SHe has been itching to shoot someone with her new Ruger :t
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I send the dog, first.
Then the wife.
SHe has been itching to shoot someone with her new Ruger :t
lol, God love her. :)
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They would skip my house because I keep a light on.
If they didn't, I'd stop them with a broom.
If there were too many of them, I'd escape on my scooter.
You could always try hiding under your bed too.
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They would skip my house because I keep a light on.
Maybe. A very large number of burglaries occur during the daytime, weekdays while folks are at work.
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Don't you hate that.
Had a burglar come in our house a few years back. Too bad for him I was home at the time. My 9mm outclassed his fish-bonker bat. The look on his face was priceless when he came around the corner and looked down the muzzle of my pistol. :D
He left much quicker than he came in.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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If you know how to work a gun in close quaters , splice your corners right , some body is in for a bad surprise, the rounds i use will not penetrate my house walls, and if they do they will lose their velocity before they get out of the house. I use .223, and not my 9mm beacouse, .223 one to me the mechanics are easier, two iam more accuarte, and three iam better able to fight with an ar then a glock,
A .223 that will lose it's velocity after punching through drywall?
Either A) you have concrete walls B) you are using blanks C) you are badly misinformed.
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If someone ever breaks into my house, here in tennesse its the the stand your ground law, I hope they enjoy 5-10 rounds of .223 hps, btw, I can empty a 30 mag clip in less then 15 seconds into a 3-5 inch group , and we can shoot em as soon as they get in the house, and I shoot first and call the cops later.
Good Lord.
I wasn't a fan of stringent background checks... until now.
:rolleyes:
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nothing strikes fear into a robber than hearing a shotgun cycle its round into the camber. :devil
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Guns & Ammo did an interesting story on .223 for home defense. They challenged the idea that a handgun is always the best solution to over-penetration. They argued with certain types of new .223 ammo, fragmentation (and less penetration) would be as likely if not more likely in the lighter cartridge vs larger caliber handgun rounds. It was an interesting article, makes you think, but I also got the feeling it was just a big advertisement for the new Winchester ammo.
http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/02/10/long-guns-short-yardage-is-223-the-best-home-defense-caliber/
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If someone ever breaks into my house, here in tennesse its the the stand your ground law, I hope they enjoy 5-10 rounds of .223 hps, btw, I can empty a 30 mag clip in less then 15 seconds into a 3-5 inch group , and we can shoot em as soon as they get in the house, and I shoot first and call the cops later.
You will find yourself incarcerated and charged with Mayhem for the "extra rounds".
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27 years and Ive never taken a report of a burglary from a house with a good dog in it. Course dogs can be a pain in the rear. I love em but you gotta feed em, Doctor them, pick up their crap, house them when you go on vacation, listen to them whine. But burglars dont like them.
They'll come in thru rear doors, basement doors, side windows that are sheltered. Some times they will ring all the bells of working folks APT buildings and if nobody answers they will just kick in front doors. Alarms help but if they see an alarm system they will put themselves on a timer, do a quick ransack, and get out within 5 mins. It might sound sloppy but in neighborhoods with $500,000 + condos it can be lucrative. I caught one knucklehead who got greedy and was putting a 50" Plasma into his trunk at the 5 min and 5 second mark. :lol
Quickest answer is burglar bars and security 2nd doors where you believe they will come in. Im betting if it was one window you'd pick to break in its the one the burglar picked.
Actually they probably wont be back. Its unusual for them to hit a place twice after theyv been spotted. But its possible and it behooves you to prepare for the worst.
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You will find yourself incarcerated and charged with Mayhem for the "extra rounds".
What "extra" rounds? There is no limit on the number of times you can shoot someone. The only "limit" is they have to be a threat when you shoot them. If they drop to the floor and you continue to pump rounds into a lifeless body you might run into a problem.
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Guns & Ammo did an interesting story on .223 for home defense. They challenged the idea that a handgun is always the best solution to over-penetration. They argued with certain types of new .223 ammo, fragmentation (and less penetration) would be as likely if not more likely in the lighter cartridge vs larger caliber handgun rounds. It was an interesting article, makes you think, but I also got the feeling it was just a big advertisement for the new Winchester ammo.
http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/02/10/long-guns-short-yardage-is-223-the-best-home-defense-caliber/
I read the article, and yes, it was a big ad for Winchester's new split core ammo.
However, it also went on to point out that the ammo will still penetrate a wall, but instead of coming out the other side whole it will come out as high velocity fragments.
Either way, I ain't gonna volunteer to test the theory. ;)
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I read the article, and yes, it was a big ad for Winchester's new split core ammo.
However, it also went on to point out that the ammo will still penetrate a wall, but instead of coming out the other side whole it will come out as high velocity fragments.
Either way, I ain't gonna volunteer to test the theory. ;)
See, you're less likely to be hit because the fragments are smaller than the original bullet... :uhoh :bolt:
They certainly didn't strait up advocate a .223, but it was close. I won't be switching to it anytime soon, but I will at the very least acknowledged that there are some situations where it would be perfectly fine to use a .223 for home defense (but that is largely the exception).
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I won't be switching to it anytime soon, but I will at the very least acknowledged that there are some situations where it would be perfectly fine to use a .223 for home defense (but that is largely the exception).
I would concur with this.
However, I feel that in a house occupied by other people, or an apartment, etc. the use of a rifle round needs to be heavily scrutinized. (Same goes for any firearm, actually.)
To believe that a .223 hollow-point won't penetrate a wall is dangerous at best. I mean really, if push came to shove would you want to be slinging rifle lead in the vicinity of where your children are sleeping?
I wouldn't.
EDIT: I have 8" thick plaster and lathe walls in my house, and would still never unleash a rifle indoors.
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However, I feel that in a house occupied by other people, or an apartment, etc. the use of a rifle round needs to be heavily scrutinized. (Same goes for any firearm, actually.)
Absolutely, well said. Some people are so quick to jump on the "OVER-PENETRATION, CANNOT SHOOT RIFLE IN HOUSE" that they sometimes forget that maybe the person lives in the country, and lives either along or with another person who might be in the room with you. If you can honestly fire a rifle in your house without threat of it hitting an unintended target, than who am I to tell you it's wrong.
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Heck, if I lived alone in the country my place would resemble a well landscaped Thunderdome. :lol
Intruders would be welcomed by a hail of 30-06 from the Garand followed by an IED or two. :aok
But I don't live like that, so it's just a pipe (bomb) dream. ;)
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Heck, if I lived alone in the country my place would resemble a well landscaped Thunderdome. :lol
Intruders would be welcomed by a hail of 30-06 from the Garand followed by an IED or two. :aok
But I don't live like that, so it's just a pipe (bomb) dream. ;)
:lol I would build such a fort. People would call me paranoid, but little do they know I'm just playing. Build a fort out of pillows, you're a kid, build a fort out of metal and timber, you're a lunatic! :cool:
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:lol I would build such a fort. People would call me paranoid, but little do they know I'm just playing. Build a fort out of pillows, you're a kid, build a fort out of metal and timber, you're a lunatic! :cool:
:rofl :rofl
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Hollow points boys, where live, they will not over penetrate and kill my neighbors, I own a glock 17 , but , i just feel alot better fighting with my AR platform, I would rather use my AR, , and besides, I live in the country so.
.223 hollowpoints, .223 HV JHPs... not over-penetrate?!... holy s... this is comming from a born n' raised CAian (not to try and cast any shame upon the majority of the fine and proud people of tenessee).... :rofl :lol
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27 years and Ive never taken a report of a burglary from a house with a good dog in it. Course dogs can be a pain in the rear. I love em but you gotta feed em, Doctor them, pick up their crap, house them when you go on vacation, listen to them whine. But burglars dont like them.
Had a break in back in Feb. My rather large dog who raises holy hell when anyone comes around somehow did not stop someone from breaking in during broad daylight through a window facing the street.
A dog is no guarantee, whether they pepper sprayed her, hit her with a stick, threw her a piece of meat, they somehow got past her.
The cops said they routinely get past viscous sounding dogs simply by yelling at them. They also said they have seen cases where the guard dog was simply cracked on the head with a bat or something. Unless you have a professionally trained guard dog, don't make the mistake I did by relying on one.
Seriously, I've heard the dog from outside, I never would have dreamed anyone would try to come in that house.
Sure turned out to be a false sense of security.
The MO is this. They will first knock on your door, if you answer they will make up some excuse. Need any yardwork done, have you seen lost cat? etc.
If you don't answer, they will know you aren't home regardless of how many lights or radios are on.
Best bet is iron window bars and security doors IMO.
An inexpensive wall safe to store guns, small valuables is also good.
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The MO is this. They will first knock on your door, if you answer they will make up some excuse. Need any yardwork done, have you seen lost cat? etc.
If you don't answer, they will know you aren't home regardless of how many lights or radios are on.
That's what happened in my case. I was on the toilet when they knocked, took a couple minutes to get to the door -- no one there -- I figured salesman. Closed the front door and heard sliding glass door on patio open. Rut roh!!
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my house is made up of brick, solid oak, tar, and some other things, hollow point rounds from a .223 55gr will not "over penetrate" there are reasons SWAT and and the military use it in close quarter operations. hollow points expand on impact, and lossing alot of energy on intial impact, it would have to to go trough at least one thick walls , maybe 2, If I ever have to use my rifle , i will ensure , I engage at an angle where no one can be harmed except the bad guy, and besides, I can shoot until i feel they are no longer a threat, which means they have to be still standing, and they will not have the time to fall by the time i drop the first 5 rounds in em. There is a reason I do not use my glock unless , its the the only option i have.
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I feel bad for the burglar who ever tried to rob me....me... pissed of.... just woken up, not the tired just woken up, but fully alert gonna chop your head off woken up look.... naked.... ready to do battle, battleaxe in hand.
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cheapest route for security? a dog. if you get a Shepard, Rottweiler or Doberman Pinscher many will be dissuaded just by the sight of the breed. if they enter they will be quickly dissuaded by a "welcoming" committee. and youll also have a friend for life that will never stab you in the back, ask for money to go have fun, and bring home friends that will lead your kids into bad habbits.
I have never had a home broken into, but I had a family friend (god father) walk into my house one day when I was a child because he needed to use the phone and figured our house was never locked so he would just pop in quick and use the phone. the Family Doberman, which knew him well, had other ideas. Years before that my dad had a white shepard, guy came onto the property that wasnt wanted, my dad told him to leave and he got lippy with my dad. Shepard had other ideas. Couple years ago my dad let a good buddy of his whom hes known for years borrow a dry wall sander. Told him to drop it off when he was done. my dads rottweiler had other ideas when he entered. Yes, the dog knew him well. My dad got a new Rottweiler puppy this past winter (10-11). she nipped me when she was a year old cause I came into the house at like 1 in the morning.
say something about a dog?
Sorry to hear Getback.
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No need for a high velocity round, when a double barrel shot gun would do. Most burglaries around here are daytime, when people are at work. I remember when I was high school. We had two night time burglaries in our square mile. One victim was an ex vet with with some of his marksman certificates in his hallway. One perp didn't make it out of the hall alive, and the other died in the garage. One of the perps mother said something like. I told him their were SOME people that would kill you for just breaking into their house. Another victim was a dentist, who I went to school with his kids. That bugler guy didn't make it out alive either.
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my house is made up of brick, solid oak, tar, and some other things, hollow point rounds from a .223 55gr will not "over penetrate" there are reasons SWAT and and the military use it in close quarter operations. hollow points expand on impact, and lossing alot of energy on intial impact, it would have to to go trough at least one thick walls , maybe 2, If I ever have to use my rifle , i will ensure , I engage at an angle where no one can be harmed except the bad guy, and besides, I can shoot until i feel they are no longer a threat, which means they have to be still standing, and they will not have the time to fall by the time i drop the first 5 rounds in em. There is a reason I do not use my glock unless , its the the only option i have.
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All they have to have behind them is a window......You cannot "demand that the intruder relocate to a brick wall".
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No need for a high velocity round, when a double barrel shot gun would do. Most burglaries around here are daytime, when people are at work. I remember when I was high school. We had two night time burglaries in our square mile. One victim was an ex vet with with some of his marksman certificates in his hallway. One perp didn't make it out of the hall alive, and the other died in the garage. One of the perps mother said something like. I told him their were SOME people that would kill you for just breaking into their house. Another victim was a dentist, who I went to school with his kids. That bugler guy didn't make it out alive either.
I bought this a couple years ago... It's a Stoeger 12 guage Coach Gun.
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w220/Davis_Andrews/IMG_2900.jpg)
I originally bought it thinking that it would be a good defense gun for my wife to use in the event that there was an intruder when I wasn't home. The thing kicks like a mother though... She decided that she would rather have the 9mm. So that's what she practices with, and I have a cool little shot gun for my collection!
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nothing strikes fear into a robber than hearing a shotgun cycle its round into the camber. :devil
Nothing lets the criminal know just where you are like a ratcheting riot gun. Don't assume the turd will be scared.
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I'm like Von, we have a house alarm where they call you when it rings, but I think it's easy to bypass as it's just a door/window open deal, ain't detecting squat if the window is broken. Then we have the two sheperds, and if all else fail the girls have the 45 stashed away.
:pray
Off course, it's not 100% proof, especially when no one is home and the dogs are in the backyard, but it's prety good to deter the bulk of the bad guys, and I feel prety safe to leave the girls alone. We had a steak of brake ins in the neighborhood, all that happened to us was the dogs going crazy one night. Knock on wood.
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cheapest route for security? a dog.
Yeah that's what I thought too.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,331868.msg4355340.html#msg4355340
Sure didn't work out for me and I have a large, loud, hell raising anytime someone comes to the door, kind of dog, even looks a bit like a freakishly large pitbull.
So many times after hearing her go off, I would chuckle and think "Well, burglary sure isn't something we need to worry about."
I couldn't have been more confident that no one would be brazen enough to try to get past that hellion devil dog, and I couldn't have been more wrong.
I was so confident, I would have felt 100% safe with an unlocked door. (Not that I ever tested that theory.)
For the life of me, I still can't fathom how it happened.
I guess you just should never underestimate what a meth head POS is willing to do to get a few bucks for another half a gram.
Really wish I had invested in window bars rather than trust the false sense of security that dog gave me.
For those who talk about taking on your burglar, it's an enjoyable thought, but sure doesn't help you much after the very weapons you would have used have been stolen when you weren't even there and never had a chance of confronting them.
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Yeah that's what I thought too.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,331868.msg4355340.html#msg4355340
Sure didn't work out for me and I have a large, loud, hell raising anytime someone comes to the door, kind of dog, even looks a bit like a freakishly large pitbull.
So many times after hearing her go off, I would chuckle and think "Well, burglary sure isn't something we need to worry about."
I couldn't have been more confident that no one would be brazen enough to try to get past that hellion devil dog, and I couldn't have been more wrong.
I was so confident, I would have felt 100% safe with an unlocked door. (Not that I ever tested that theory.)
For the life of me, I still can't fathom how it happened.
I guess you just should never underestimate what a meth head POS is willing to do to get a few bucks for another half a gram.
Really wish I had invested in window bars rather than trust the false sense of security that dog gave me.
For those who talk about taking on your burglar, it's an enjoyable thought, but sure doesn't help you much after the very weapons you would have used have been stolen when you weren't even there and never had a chance of confronting them.
did the dog not attack?
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I plan to engage any intruder at certain points in my house,, like when they are coming up the stairs, the front door, whcih I already checked to make sure the neighbors would not be in the line of fire, once i have my safety squared away, if i hear them down stairs, iam going to clear it my self, I do not want cops down there, because if you dont know the layout, you can be easily ambushed. And cops would get them selves , because my downstairs is the clear house from hell.
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I bought this a couple years ago... It's a Stoeger 12 guage Coach Gun.
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w220/Davis_Andrews/IMG_2900.jpg)
I originally bought it thinking that it would be a good defense gun for my wife to use in the event that there was an intruder when I wasn't home. The thing kicks like a mother though... She decided that she would rather have the 9mm. So that's what she practices with, and I have a cool little shot gun for my collection!
My wife used to carry my ancient S & W .32 long.
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/st_smithmp_200809a.jpg)
Great handgun and wickedly accurate, but she claimed that it took up too much room in her purse.
She likes her new Xmas present much better. :D
About as big as a n Iphone (except thicker and it only has one app)
Ruger LCP
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/DSC03239.jpg)
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Yeah that's what I thought too.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,331868.msg4355340.html#msg4355340
Sure didn't work out for me and I have a large, loud, hell raising anytime someone comes to the door, kind of dog, even looks a bit like a freakishly large pitbull.
So many times after hearing her go off, I would chuckle and think "Well, burglary sure isn't something we need to worry about."
I couldn't have been more confident that no one would be brazen enough to try to get past that hellion devil dog, and I couldn't have been more wrong.
I was so confident, I would have felt 100% safe with an unlocked door. (Not that I ever tested that theory.)
For the life of me, I still can't fathom how it happened.
I guess you just should never underestimate what a meth head POS is willing to do to get a few bucks for another half a gram.
Really wish I had invested in window bars rather than trust the false sense of security that dog gave me.
For those who talk about taking on your burglar, it's an enjoyable thought, but sure doesn't help you much after the very weapons you would have used have been stolen when you weren't even there and never had a chance of confronting them.
This is not about you, Jim. It is just a good story to use as an illustration. :D
Dogs are an excellent deterrent to intruders IF they are trained to do so.
The simple fact of owning a dog, in and of itself, means little. Some intruders will be deterred by this, regardless of it's size or how menacing it looks.
Until you've discharged a firearm in the presence of your dog, you will not know how it will react. Some will be terrified, others aggressive or aggravated. The desirable response is for them to do nothing. This is the sign of a well balanced dog. It is not something that is easily trained, if possible at all. It is also a major part of the Schuzhund I obedience trials. All the dogs I have owned have been taken to the range the day after I get them. If they fail, they go back and I get another one.
Until you have seen your dog take a sleeve, you will never know if it will bite when it needs to or not.
All dogs bark, but if it lacks defensive prey drive or you haven't developed it in your dog, it will bark until the intruder gets into the house and then show the burglar where your valuables are hidden.
Also, if your dog will accept food from just anyone, it will be easily bypassed.
Most house pets just do not make good guard dogs, simply because of the fact that they are a dog. They must be be shown what belongs to them, trained not to accept food from just anyone, know who and when to bite and the most important: TO OUT (let go) ON COMMAND. As a guard dog, a timid dog is utterly useless. An overly aggressive dog is just about as useless, perhaps even more so as they are a liability because they are as likely to attack a house guest or neighbor as they would an intruder. If you read the fine print on your homeowner's policy, most do not cover your dog biting someone if you own certain breeds of dogs.
Anyone can do it, you just need to know how and have the patience to do it. Check out this 7 year old girl...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTZmIFdgU2M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTZmIFdgU2M)
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Sorry to hear the news Getback. I hate thieves.
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did the dog not attack?
Have no way of knowing what happened. Weren't any blood trails. No visible injury to the dog.
I guess the possibilities are.
1. The dog didn't react at all. Highly unlikely seeing how viscous she acted toward anyone who came near the house.
2. The burglar intimidated her by yelling.
3. They distracted her with food
4. Stun gun, pepper spray.
5. They clubbed her just hard enough to back her away without leaving permanent injury.
6. Ran past her and shut her in the bedroom they broke into.
7. Someone who knows the dog. (This of course was my first thought, I have racked my brain but am convinced that the one person who I would even mildly suspect was capable had nothing to do with it.)
True Von Messa, but the majority of pet owners don't have their animals trained to be an attack or guard dog.
How would you know how your pet would react in these circumstances, unless you hired a stranger to enter your house and report if the dog attacked them?
I have no doubt that my dogs actions would have deterred many, maybe even most would be burglars, but it sure didn't work on this particular one.
All in all I'd rather have window bars and security doors.
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My black lab is a retired hunting dog. :)
He's heard his share of guns.
When out with me he is fine around other folks and dogs. When he is in the fence or house he gets territorial.
He was kenneled all his hunting life.
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Have no way of knowing what happened. Weren't any blood trails. No visible injury to the dog.
I guess the possibilities are.
1. The dog didn't react at all. Highly unlikely seeing how viscous she acted toward anyone who came near the house.
2. The burglar intimidated her by yelling.
3. They distracted her with food
4. Stun gun, pepper spray.
5. They clubbed her just hard enough to back her away without leaving permanent injury.
6. Ran past her and shut her in the bedroom they broke into.
7. Someone who knows the dog. (This of course was my first thought, I have racked my brain but am convinced that the one person who I would even mildly suspect was capable had nothing to do with it.)
True Von Messa, but the majority of pet owners don't have their animals trained to be an attack or guard dog.
How would you know how your pet would react in these circumstances, unless you hired a stranger to enter your house and report if the dog attacked them?
I have no doubt that my dogs actions would have deterred many, maybe even most would be burglars, but it sure didn't work on this particular one.
All in all I'd rather have window bars and security doors.
Let's just say that I am fairly certain of it :noid
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Puppy/Parents/saba3.jpg)
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All I can say is that my dog was very territorial as well. Other than a dog whom I knew had been professionally trained just for that purpose, I wouldn't have traded her for any other dog as a burglary deterrent.
If people want to rely on a pet or think that they will happen to be home when a burglar strikes, I hope it works for you.
I'm just letting you know it didn't work for me.
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I am sorry to hear about that, I have a special alarm system. She weighs 72 pounds and has a bite force of approx 1300 psi. If you are not known than I feel sorry for ya. I'd rather have someone grate my kahones with a cheese grater than have her bite me.
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/b38e/y4n4ynwlein5g.jpg)
She looks sweet but ... Looks can be deceiving.
LawnDart
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I never said it was "impossible". But after the Hundreds, thousands? of Burglarys Ive investigated I'd say its pretty unlikely. We have 25,000 to 30,000 Burglarys a year here and of all the ones Ive seen the only one that went in on a dog was one with a little fi-fi dog they forced into a room.
If I were you I'd wonder about the people who knew my dog. The cops said they routinely get past viscous sounding dogs simply by yelling at them.
Thats a bunch of BS. But believe what you will.
Had a break in back in Feb. My rather large dog who raises holy hell when anyone comes around somehow did not stop someone from breaking in during broad daylight through a window facing the street.
A dog is no guarantee, whether they pepper sprayed her, hit her with a stick, threw her a piece of meat, they somehow got past her.
The cops said they routinely get past viscous sounding dogs simply by yelling at them. They also said they have seen cases where the guard dog was simply cracked on the head with a bat or something. Unless you have a professionally trained guard dog, don't make the mistake I did by relying on one.
Seriously, I've heard the dog from outside, I never would have dreamed anyone would try to come in that house.
Sure turned out to be a false sense of security.
The MO is this. They will first knock on your door, if you answer they will make up some excuse. Need any yardwork done, have you seen lost cat? etc.
If you don't answer, they will know you aren't home regardless of how many lights or radios are on.
Best bet is iron window bars and security doors IMO.
An inexpensive wall safe to store guns, small valuables is also good.
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I never said it was "impossible". But after the Hundreds, thousands? of Burglarys Ive investigated I'd say its pretty unlikely. We have 25,000 to 30,000 Burglarys a year here and of all the ones Ive seen the only one that went in on a dog was one with a little fi-fi dog they forced into a room.
If I were you I'd wonder about the people who knew my dog.
I don't know what to tell ya man. My dog runs about 80 lbs at least.
Believe me, I thought the only explanation could have been someone the dog knew, but try as I might, I can't name a single suspect.
All I can tell ya is what the cops told me and they could have been exaggerating.
You believe what you want too, but I put iron bars on the windows. I sure ain't relying on this dog or any other now.
You need to understand that this is not a dog I had the slightest doubt about. Based on her reaction to anyone who came near the house, there was no other dog on earth that I would have rather had in my house in the event of a burglary, with the possible exception of one that I knew had been professionally trained for that specific purpose.
I'm still in shock that someone came into the house with her in it. I am absolutely incredulous about it, even months later.
Just trying to help, what do you think I should have said? "A burglar got past my large mean dog, but I'm sure it will work for you."
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No you say what you have to say. The P.O should have never told you that cause it aint true.
Ive backed up fierce dogs simply cause I have no fear of dogs. In general burglars avoid residences with dogs but anything is possible. Ive seen it when they break in knowing the people are inside. They simply dont care. Many are junkies and will do anything, as soon as possible, just to get their next jab or rock.
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Ive seen it when they break in knowing the people are inside. They simply dont care. Many are junkies and will do anything, as soon as possible, just to get their next jab or rock.
If that had happened, they would have gotten a jab allright. 9mm or .45. Iv'e been burglarized 3 times in different houses, but was never at home to stop it.
Thought I had done everything right before this last one, good deadbolts, security doors, big dog. Alarm had long been deactivated, but still had the signs in the front yard.
Oh well, guess you can only do so much. If someone really wants in they will bring a cutting torch for the window bars, or run their car through your brick wall.
I was just unlucky enough to have had an abnormally brazen burglar.
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My dog is 118 lbs. Had him down to 113 for a bit.
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My dog is 118 lbs. Had him down to 113 for a bit.
Ah, a lap dog.
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I am sorry to hear about that, I have a special alarm system. She weighs 72 pounds and has a bite force of approx 1300 psi. If you are not known than I feel sorry for ya. I'd rather have someone grate my kahones with a cheese grater than have her bite me.
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/b38e/y4n4ynwlein5g.jpg)
She looks sweet but ... Looks can be deceiving.
LawnDart
The hell with that. I think i would prefer her to bite me. :rofl
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Ive got a 45 in my room, my dad has a 45 at his bedside table my mom has an LCP and my dad keeps the TCP on the headboard. We practiced what would happen if it were to happen and discussed where to place our selves to prevent a crossfire. In the end if he isnt detered by the alarm blaring then he will end up with at least 4 rounds in him.
Still tryin to talk the parents into a dog though...
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Ive got a 45 in my room, my dad has a 45 at his bedside table my mom has an LCP and my dad keeps the TCP on the headboard. We practiced what would happen if it were to happen and discussed where to place our selves to prevent a crossfire. In the end if he isnt detered by the alarm blaring then he will end up with at least 4 rounds in him.
Still tryin to talk the parents into a dog though...
You guys do realize that most burglaries happen when no one is home right?
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You guys do realize that most burglaries happen when no one is home right?
Then we arent worried about it (relatively) items can be replaced lives cannot.
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If all they took was you tv, most likely he was a crack head. Hide or take your remote. Most likely they took that too? It they don't have the remote. they can't see your tv for much.
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sell
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If all they took was you tv, most likely he was a crack head. Hide or take your remote. Most likely they took that too? It they don't have the remote. they can't see your tv for much.
:headscratch:
How does that work? Also, is the crackhead just going to leave the house empty handed because he can't find your remote!?
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Universal remotes.
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I am sorry to hear about that, I have a special alarm system. She weighs 72 pounds and has a bite force of approx 1300 psi. If you are not known than I feel sorry for ya. I'd rather have someone grate my kahones with a cheese grater than have her bite me.
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/b38e/y4n4ynwlein5g.jpg)
She looks sweet but ... Looks can be deceiving.
LawnDart
I have the off switch, 1/4lb of raw hamburger laced with 2000mg of Xanex or (in more inhumane thief circles) a crossbow.
For every measure, there is a countermeasure.
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I have the off switch, 1/4lb of raw hamburger laced with 2000mg of Xanex or (in more inhumane thief circles) a crossbow.
For every measure, there is a countermeasure.
You would think that would work, but she has been taught not to take treats from strangers. Hell the electric meter reader tried giving her some beef jerky and sh just looked at him like he was strange.
Now the crossbow thatsbgoing to the extreme...
LawnDart
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I have the off switch, 1/4lb of raw hamburger laced with 2000mg of Xanex or (in more inhumane thief circles) a crossbow.
For every measure, there is a countermeasure.
That will only work for dogs that accept food from just anyone.
Crossbow? Kinda incongruous and hard to conceal, don't ya think? Jedi mind tricks do not work on police that wonder why someone is walking around with a crossbow, especially one that is drawn and ready to fire, which would be required for someone to bring it to bear in any reasonable amount of time.
Even if someone managed to get into my house, with a drawn crossbow, they had better be a marksman with it because they will only get one shot before there is 80 pounds of German Shepherd hanging from them.
Once again, these are dogs trained for that purpose and simply having a dog does not make one's home burglar-proof.
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That will only work for dogs that accept food from just anyone.
Crossbow? Kinda incongruous and hard to conceal, don't ya think?
People like to think theirs won't eat stray food, but it happens. If not, then just kill the dog. (Most thieves aren't nice people...) A crossbow may be incongruous. Would you prefer a .22 with a Pepsi bottle silencer instead?
Just saying for every measure, there IS a countermeasure. There's no perfect plan.
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This is not about you, Jim. It is just a good story to use as an illustration. :D
Dogs are an excellent deterrent to intruders IF they are trained to do so.
The simple fact of owning a dog, in and of itself, means little. Some intruders will be deterred by this, regardless of it's size or how menacing it looks.
Until you've discharged a firearm in the presence of your dog, you will not know how it will react. Some will be terrified, others aggressive or aggravated. The desirable response is for them to do nothing. This is the sign of a well balanced dog. It is not something that is easily trained, if possible at all. It is also a major part of the Schuzhund I obedience trials. All the dogs I have owned have been taken to the range the day after I get them. If they fail, they go back and I get another one.
Until you have seen your dog take a sleeve, you will never know if it will bite when it needs to or not.
All dogs bark, but if it lacks defensive prey drive or you haven't developed it in your dog, it will bark until the intruder gets into the house and then show the burglar where your valuables are hidden.
Also, if your dog will accept food from just anyone, it will be easily bypassed.
Most house pets just do not make good guard dogs, simply because of the fact that they are a dog. They must be be shown what belongs to them, trained not to accept food from just anyone, know who and when to bite and the most important: TO OUT (let go) ON COMMAND. As a guard dog, a timid dog is utterly useless. An overly aggressive dog is just about as useless, perhaps even more so as they are a liability because they are as likely to attack a house guest or neighbor as they would an intruder. If you read the fine print on your homeowner's policy, most do not cover your dog biting someone if you own certain breeds of dogs.
Anyone can do it, you just need to know how and have the patience to do it. Check out this 7 year old girl...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTZmIFdgU2M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTZmIFdgU2M)
Wise words indeed,however as someone already said any dog can be a deterrent,a good alarmdog is all you need in most cases.The simple act of barking will cause most would be thieves to look for easier pickings.
Jimson,ya I understand you have a dog and still got broken into but as Rich said I would look to people who know the dog and or the fact the dog could have been drugged,easiest way to sub do most dogs BTW.
I've lived in the same place for 25 years now and most my neighbours have been broken into,however I have never been. Our house is known as the house with those crazy white pig dogs,now I don't train them to attack but that's for liabilities reasons and I also know that my dogs know who belongs and who doesn't.
Of course mostly the dogs do what all dogs do up in Canukville,they pull my sled around because we still use dogsleds up here! :rofl :rofl :rofl
:salute
PS: reference Ann Coulter's dogsledding in Canada!
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People like to think theirs won't eat stray food, but it happens. If not, then just kill the dog. (Most thieves aren't nice people...) A crossbow may be incongruous. Would you prefer a .22 with a Pepsi bottle silencer instead?
Just saying for every measure, there IS a countermeasure. There's no perfect plan.
You are correct, most people like to think that.
I know it for a fact.
All of the dogs I have owned, excepting my new pup, have attended and passed Shutzhund trials. They have all been proficient in obedience, tracking and protection.
I was raised in a house where we trained K-9 and Schutzhund dogs and have been doing it myself for many years, as well. I am quite confident in the abilities of my dogs and in mine as a handler.
You are absolutely correct. There is no perfect plan but, the fact of the matter is that most would-be criminals are trying to get in and get out quickly/quietly and most aren't Annie Oakley, either. The average criminal will have time for one reaction to a dog that is bearing down upon them at 25 - 30 mph and that is a reaction of fear. I am much more confident in the ability of any of my dogs to guard my home than I am in the abilities of the average criminal being a successful criminal but, then again, I am not the average dog-owner, either.
A .22 would be just as effective as the crossbow with respect to being able to get off exactly one shot. Again, it had better be a good one. Everyone thinks that they are a good shot until placed in a situation where their safety is in question. It's certainly fun to try, though. If you want a good rush, come on down, I'll get ya sleeved up, hand ya a paintball gun and a stick and we'll send a dog after ya. :D
Yet again, let me reiterate that simply being the owner of a dog will only prevent those scared of dogs from entering your house.
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When my house was robbed in 2007 they broke in the closed bedroom through the window and got most of the Wife's jewelery but where my 86 lb. dog was in the living room the laptop and flatscreen TV were not taken. Coincidence I think not.
We searched local pawn shops the next day and found some jewelery and because the dumb perps went to the bank next to the Pawn shop to cash their check we had a Photo.
Those tards at Pawn Shops know when they are taking in stolen Items and would not help us until they found out Police were investigating. They gave them $40 for thousands in Jewelery the Bastards. :furious
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When my house was robbed in 2007 they broke in the closed bedroom through the window and got most of the Wife's jewelery but where my 86 lb. dog was in the living room the laptop and flatscreen TV were not taken. Coincidence I think not.
We searched local pawn shops the next day and found some jewelery and because the dumb perps went to the bank next to the Pawn shop to cash their check we had a Photo.
Those tards at Pawn Shops know when they are taking in stolen Items and would not help us until they found out Police were investigating. They gave them $40 for thousands in Jewelery the Bastards. :furious
I never have cash in the house that is not in my wallet or wife's purse.
Any jewelry not worn is in the safe.
The safe is hidden.
No expensive TV.
Furniture is from the early 70's.
Not much to steal in my house except the machine tools in my shop which are awfully heavy :D
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Jimson,ya I understand you have a dog and still got broken into but as Rich said I would look to people who know the dog and or the fact the dog could have been drugged,easiest way to sub do most dogs BTW.
If you have a dog that is trained as a guard dog that is one thing. I didn't, she is a pet. She does seem very territorial. I should create a sound recording of her when someone comes to the door.
If you heard it, I'm sure you would agree, you would have to be nuts to enter the house.
Obviously, my first thought was that it couldn't have been a stranger, but seeing that I cannot ID a single suspect. I can't assume that.
My theory is that the dog is all bluff. One whack from some object was all it took to send her running.
Of course it would have still required someone desperate and brazen enough to come through the window with a dog viscously carrying on on the other side.
Like I said, not a trained guard dog but her demonstrated actions led me to believe she would indeed be very protective.
I still believe that any sane person who heard the dog would bypass my house, but my luck is to have gotten an insane psycho whose need for a few bucks for dope was greater than his fear of dogs I suppose.
Or the possibility that the burglar wasn't a stranger but I'm not going to assume that.
In any case, being burned like this, I will never again rely solely on any dog and will take all measures to protect my property as if I had no dog.
Now if I can only get over the disgust I now feel for my dog, since the family loves her and replacement is not an option LOL.
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Jimson
I hear you and agree for the most part,even a trained dog is no guaranty to stop intruders.
I'm fortunate enough to live in a place with a relatively low crime rate,most of my neighbours I know by name and we look out for each others property whenever someone's away. That said quite afew have beeb broken into over the years but my place has been avoided and I can only explain that by the fact that I've always had a dog or dogs!
:salute
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I should also add that I suspect the reason my house was targeted above others is that on the day in question no cars were parked outside and the driveway was empty.
That might have made may house a choice even though there was a dog in it.
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I should also add that I suspect the reason my house was targeted above others is that on the day in question no cars were parked outside and the driveway was empty.
That might have made may house a choice even though there was a dog in it.
The easiest pickings are the best :aok
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I should also add that I suspect the reason my house was targeted above others is that on the day in question no cars were parked outside and the driveway was empty.
That might have made may house a choice even though there was a dog in it.
If they know your work patterns and where you work, there's not much you can do about it. You could change your schedule, hide your car and wait inside. But working that out with employers isn't always easy and there's no guarantee they will hit when you're there waiting for them.
That was the problem I had at my old house. It was on the highway plus they knew where and when I worked. Now, my house isn't visible from the road and my schedule is very flexible.
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If they know your work patterns and where you work, there's not much you can do about it. You could change your schedule, hide your car and wait inside. But working that out with employers isn't always easy and there's no guarantee they will hit when you're there waiting for them.
That was the problem I had at my old house. It was on the highway plus they knew where and when I worked. Now, my house isn't visible from the road and my schedule is very flexible.
I'm sure that everyone that has had a break-in would like to lie in wait to see if it happens again, perhaps even making it look like no one is home...
Only the LOE's are beholden by entrapment laws :devil
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Here's a question for you dog owners/trainers. How do these dogs react to invited guests in the house? Can you welcome someone, even small children outside the family into the house without worrying about the dog attacking? What if that person stays the night in the house, can they not leave their room during the night over risk of getting attacked? I ask because I have no experience with well trained dogs.
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Hollow points boys, where live, they will not over penetrate and kill my neighbors, I own a glock 17 , but , i just feel alot better fighting with my AR platform, I would rather use my AR, , and besides, I live in the country so.
.223 HP will go right through as well.
I hunt a lot with HP ammo and have seen close range results.
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New security system was installed today.
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Geez Getback never a dull moment huh?
I'm glad you're ok and that TV was prolly obsolete anyway... Good move on the Security system. Its going to take a while but things will return to normal around the house.
:salute
gus
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Here's a question for you dog owners/trainers. How do these dogs react to invited guests in the house? Can you welcome someone, even small children outside the family into the house without worrying about the dog attacking? What if that person stays the night in the house, can they not leave their room during the night over risk of getting attacked? I ask because I have no experience with well trained dogs.
No matter how well your dog is trained its still an animal. As long as the owner is on the scene there generally isnt any problem. But a neighbor kid going in your yard to fetch a stray baseball? Sure it can be. Ive taken a lot of dog bite reports of kids bit by their own dogs. I dont worry about my dogs but I put them away before a stranger comes in the house, like a repairman. My guys are Lap dogs but they bark at strangers and thats all I ask. Wake me up so's I can get to some iron.
Its just hard to give a general answer cause dogs are individuals. You can train a dog when, and when not, to use his instinct but you cant train him to have, or not have, the same instinct.
I hope every gun owner here is in the NRA. Its our sacred right and only "from our cold dead hands". :salute
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A little surprised this hasn't been linked to yet in this thread.
http://lybio.net/allstate-mayhem-tv-ad-guard-dog/commercials/
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Geez Getback never a dull moment huh?
I'm glad you're ok and that TV was prolly obsolete anyway... Good move on the Security system. Its going to take a while but things will return to normal around the house.
:salute
gus
:lol No it's not dull. However I count my blessings that I'm working again.
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I hope every gun owner here is in the NRA. Its our sacred right and only "from our cold dead hands". :salute
It is another discussion, but I would be in the NRA if they didn't have political motivations that went above and beyond privately owned firearms.
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It is another discussion, but I would be in the NRA if they didn't have political motivations that went above and beyond privately owned firearms.
My biggest issue with the NRA is that I am a member, expires in September, but I get a Renewal notice in the mail a minimum of every other week. I'm more then happy to support the NRA, but I really don't think I need to renew 26 times a year.
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It is another discussion, but I would be in the NRA if they didn't have political motivations that went above and beyond privately owned firearms.
I can understand that. One of the biggest thing that bugs me about the NRA is that fear is their man tactic. For a year now they have been talking about how the government is gonna take our guns, so we have to vote republican! Not trying to make this thread political, just how I see the NRA. However, I still believe they do a lot of good behind the scenes work and I'll send my money in for that, I just generally skip the political rabble.
They sent me a DVD once, will a bill. Nope, sorry, I'm not going to pay for something I didn't ask for.
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I can understand that. One of the biggest thing that bugs me about the NRA is that fear is their man tactic. For a year now they have been talking about how the government is gonna take our guns, so we have to vote republican! Not trying to make this thread political, just how I see the NRA. However, I still believe they do a lot of good behind the scenes work and I'll send my money in for that, I just generally skip the political rabble.
They sent me a DVD once, will a bill. Nope, sorry, I'm not going to pay for something I didn't ask for.
The NRA supports Democrats as well as Republicans as long as they believe in the Constitution. They rate their voting records and some republicans are rated F (poor). Some Democrats support Gun Rights (rated A) but are very liberal on social issues. The NRA has been for the American Shooters since well before WW2 and have helped greatly in making our troops some of the best Marksmen on the Planet.
Without them we would be like England where they confiscate your guns and leave you at the mercy of the lawless.
NRA life Member
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Here's a question for you dog owners/trainers. How do these dogs react to invited guests in the house? Can you welcome someone, even small children outside the family into the house without worrying about the dog attacking? What if that person stays the night in the house, can they not leave their room during the night over risk of getting attacked? I ask because I have no experience with well trained dogs.
I speak only for myself.
I would never keep for a pet a dog that was being trained for K-9 work as they are, for the most part, very "hard" dogs. By this I mean that they are trained to be as tough as possible, not necessarily overly aggressive, but ballsy enough to handle the job that they are tasked for which leads them to ultimately not "play well with others". It is a shame though, as most are hard to place in homes once they "retire" because of how highly driven they are.
I prefer my dogs well balanced. Training in Schutzhund work is for the trials. The Schutzhund trails are a breed suitability test for the German Shepherd Dog. It's original use was to see if the dog displayed the appropriate traits and characteristics of a proper working German Shepherd Dog such as: trainability, high drive or desire to work, courage, protective instinct, intelligence and a strong bond with the handler. Most dogs that pass the Schutzhund trials are suitable for search/rescue work and/or police work and are suitable for breeding the next generation of working dogs.
I do not have any desire for unsolicited aggressiveness in my dogs. I can take my dog anywhere, sans leash, without fear of it hurting anyone or leaving my side. I can welcome anyone that I please into my house to visit or spend the night and my dog is just fine with them, especially children. The only time I ever had an issue is when we had guests with a child that was misbehaving and (deservedly) got a spanking. The dog insinuated itself between the parents and the child, yet was still not aggressive. She barked once and lay down between the child and parents. It was almost comical.
My dogs have never been animal aggressive, either. If you train a dog to be confident in it's abilities and strengths, most of the time they are completely calm because they know that they are able to handle any situation required of them. While all of my neighbors' dogs are raising holy hell and carrying on, mine is as quiet as a mouse.
A well balanced and confident dog will "know" when there is something amiss. They can hear, smell and sense things that we can only read about. My dogs have always "worked" for me because of their love to do so. It is their nature and in their genetics. I have never had to be mean towards, punish my dogs or force them to learn what I require of them. They do it because I develop and focus their natural drives.
The idea of a protection dog is not to make them as mean as possible (which usually results in them being unpredictable) but to make them balanced and confident that they can protect you and yours.
Again, anyone can do it. Even a 7 year old girl :)
(notice how aloof the dog is to all of the distractions and how it alerts to the agitator but does not bite until he moves)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn3VghnNEpc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn3VghnNEpc)
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My biggest issue with the NRA is that I am a member, expires in September, but I get a Renewal notice in the mail a minimum of every other week. I'm more then happy to support the NRA, but I really don't think I need to renew 26 times a year.
Yes I think their membership division has issues. lol
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My dogs have never been animal aggressive, either. If you train a dog to be confident in it's abilities and strengths, most of the time they are completely calm because they know that they are able to handle any situation required of them. While all of my neighbors' dogs are raising holy hell and carrying on, mine is as quiet as a mouse.
A well balanced and confident dog will "know" when there is something amiss. They can hear, smell and sense things that we can only read about. My dogs have always "worked" for me because of their love to do so. It is their nature and in their genetics. I have never had to be mean towards, punish my dogs or force them to learn what I require of them. They do it because I develop and focus their natural drives.
(notice how aloof the dog is to all of the distractions and how it alerts to the agitator but does not bite until he moves)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn3VghnNEpc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn3VghnNEpc)
What drives me nuts is those that will get a Dog without training it. :furious
Like you my dog is quiet while my neighbor's dogs yap all day long.
I can have Kids over and place their chicken nuggets on the floor and My dog will not touch it even if we leave the room. He has been properly trained. Not so for My brothers dog who would steal food from the table or counter.
OH and Impressive Video now thats a very well trained Dog. :aok
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I speak only for myself.
I would never keep for a pet a dog that was being trained for K-9 work as they are, for the most part, very "hard" dogs. By this I mean that they are trained to be as tough as possible, not necessarily overly aggressive, but ballsy enough to handle the job that they are tasked for which leads them to ultimately not "play well with others". It is a shame though, as most are hard to place in homes once they "retire" because of how highly driven they are.
I prefer my dogs well balanced. Training in Schutzhund work is for the trials. The Schutzhund trails are a breed suitability test for the German Shepherd Dog. It's original use was to see if the dog displayed the appropriate traits and characteristics of a proper working German Shepherd Dog such as: trainability, high drive or desire to work, courage, protective instinct, intelligence and a strong bond with the handler. Most dogs that pass the Schutzhund trials are suitable for search/rescue work and/or police work and are suitable for breeding the next generation of working dogs.
I do not have any desire for unsolicited aggressiveness in my dogs. I can take my dog anywhere, sans leash, without fear of it hurting anyone or leaving my side. I can welcome anyone that I please into my house to visit or spend the night and my dog is just fine with them, especially children. The only time I ever had an issue is when we had guests with a child that was misbehaving and (deservedly) got a spanking. The dog insinuated itself between the parents and the child, yet was still not aggressive. She barked once and lay down between the child and parents. It was almost comical.
My dogs have never been animal aggressive, either. If you train a dog to be confident in it's abilities and strengths, most of the time they are completely calm because they know that they are able to handle any situation required of them. While all of my neighbors' dogs are raising holy hell and carrying on, mine is as quiet as a mouse.
A well balanced and confident dog will "know" when there is something amiss. They can hear, smell and sense things that we can only read about. My dogs have always "worked" for me because of their love to do so. It is their nature and in their genetics. I have never had to be mean towards, punish my dogs or force them to learn what I require of them. They do it because I develop and focus their natural drives.
The idea of a protection dog is not to make them as mean as possible (which usually results in them being unpredictable) but to make them balanced and confident that they can protect you and yours.
Again, anyone can do it. Even a 7 year old girl :)
(notice how aloof the dog is to all of the distractions and how it alerts to the agitator but does not bite until he moves)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn3VghnNEpc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn3VghnNEpc)
Geeze Von,I'd almost think you know a thing or 2 about dogs! :aok
People must realize there's a difference between a gaurd dog and a personal protection dog,first most gaurd dogs can be just about any big ole mean nasty territorial dog.I even saw an Afgan hound that was a junkyard gaurd,didnt look all pretty for the show ring but he'd tear you up in a second. This kind of dog isnt a pet and shouldnt be a pet.
A well trained and confident PP dog is something to see,they are no different than any well trained dog until it's time to go to work. I've only had 1 dog trained in this manner and she mamaged to trap a police officer in our resturant.Dad forgot to lock the door and the cop went in to check on things and well rather than shoot the dog he locked himself in the washroom! :D
His partner came to the house and woke Dad and asked if he could help his buddy out of the place,my Dad said"he's not in there with the dog is he"? Well I'll have to get my kid as he's the only one who can call the dog off!
So I rescued the cop and all he could say was"Damn fine dog you have there,if I hadnt heard her nails on the floor she would have got me"!
This same dog was just a overgrown puppy when she wasnt working,when she went to work I put a "work collar" on her and she knew what it meant.
:salute
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My biggest issue with the NRA is that I am a member, expires in September, but I get a Renewal notice in the mail a minimum of every other week. I'm more then happy to support the NRA, but I really don't think I need to renew 26 times a year.
This. The endless flow of junk mail and hyperbole made me not renew my membership about 15 years ago. Guess what? Nobody has come to take my guns away in those 15 years. Meanwhile Wayne LaPierre is still making $1 Million a year telling you they will. If I made $1 Million a year off donations, I'd be telling you to send me more money, too.
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I speak only for myself.
I would never keep for a pet a dog that was being trained for K-9 work as they are, for the most part, very "hard" dogs. By this I mean that they are trained to be as tough as possible, not necessarily overly aggressive, but ballsy enough to handle the job that they are tasked for which leads them to ultimately not "play well with others". It is a shame though, as most are hard to place in homes once they "retire" because of how highly driven they are.
I prefer my dogs well balanced. Training in Schutzhund work is for the trials. The Schutzhund trails are a breed suitability test for the German Shepherd Dog. It's original use was to see if the dog displayed the appropriate traits and characteristics of a proper working German Shepherd Dog such as: trainability, high drive or desire to work, courage, protective instinct, intelligence and a strong bond with the handler. Most dogs that pass the Schutzhund trials are suitable for search/rescue work and/or police work and are suitable for breeding the next generation of working dogs.
I do not have any desire for unsolicited aggressiveness in my dogs. I can take my dog anywhere, sans leash, without fear of it hurting anyone or leaving my side. I can welcome anyone that I please into my house to visit or spend the night and my dog is just fine with them, especially children. The only time I ever had an issue is when we had guests with a child that was misbehaving and (deservedly) got a spanking. The dog insinuated itself between the parents and the child, yet was still not aggressive. She barked once and lay down between the child and parents. It was almost comical.
My dogs have never been animal aggressive, either. If you train a dog to be confident in it's abilities and strengths, most of the time they are completely calm because they know that they are able to handle any situation required of them. While all of my neighbors' dogs are raising holy hell and carrying on, mine is as quiet as a mouse.
A well balanced and confident dog will "know" when there is something amiss. They can hear, smell and sense things that we can only read about. My dogs have always "worked" for me because of their love to do so. It is their nature and in their genetics. I have never had to be mean towards, punish my dogs or force them to learn what I require of them. They do it because I develop and focus their natural drives.
The idea of a protection dog is not to make them as mean as possible (which usually results in them being unpredictable) but to make them balanced and confident that they can protect you and yours.
Again, anyone can do it. Even a 7 year old girl :)
(notice how aloof the dog is to all of the distractions and how it alerts to the agitator but does not bite until he moves)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn3VghnNEpc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn3VghnNEpc)
Was just gonna ask you if your dog was Schutzhund trained.......saved me the time :D
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My take on all this: Unless you have the ability or resources to train or have your dog trained to protect your property, do not assume that your simple pet will do the job and add other layers of protection.
There was a point where the NRA became almost a liability to gun owners.
I believe they have returned to better place now and that if not for their past efforts, I am certain that more of our firearms freedoms would have been compromised.
I am not currently a member because I began to find them as annoying as many here have, but if the time should come when I think those freedoms are under attack as heavily as they once were, I may rejoin so they can have the resources to fight once again.
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Geeze Von,I'd almost think you know a thing or 2 about dogs! :aok
People must realize there's a difference between a gaurd dog and a personal protection dog,first most gaurd dogs can be just about any big ole mean nasty territorial dog.I even saw an Afgan hound that was a junkyard gaurd,didnt look all pretty for the show ring but he'd tear you up in a second. This kind of dog isnt a pet and shouldnt be a pet.
A well trained and confident PP dog is something to see,they are no different than any well trained dog until it's time to go to work. I've only had 1 dog trained in this manner and she mamaged to trap a police officer in our resturant.Dad forgot to lock the door and the cop went in to check on things and well rather than shoot the dog he locked himself in the washroom! :D
His partner came to the house and woke Dad and asked if he could help his buddy out of the place,my Dad said"he's not in there with the dog is he"? Well I'll have to get my kid as he's the only one who can call the dog off!
So I rescued the cop and all he could say was"Damn fine dog you have there,if I hadnt heard her nails on the floor she would have got me"!
This same dog was just a overgrown puppy when she wasnt working,when she went to work I put a "work collar" on her and she knew what it meant.
:salute
thats awesome :aok
reminds me of my Dog Juma, he was half Black Lab and half am-staff, I am no professional trainer, but I can train my dogs pretty good....
a neighbor wanted to bring some sandwiches over to the house one day, I sometimes let Juma outside we had 3 acres he loved it and stayed by the house most times, he was about 8 months old when this happened, so the guy walks down our yard and here comes Juma from around the house, he was a very dark brindle, big.... about 80lbs....the guys says Juma came from around the house and stopped he just stared at him with out barking...the guy takes a few more steps, Juma takes a few steps towards him.....he stops..... the dog stops....he steps forward again...the dog steps forward.....he turns and goes home :rofl
says to me later...that's quite a dog you got there, never even growled at me...just stared dead in my eyes.
Juma was a great dog Ill miss him forever.
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I still think that a light outside, a broom, and a good hiding space is all you need. It's the English way.
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I still think that a light outside, a broom, and a good hiding space is all you need. It's the English way.
Might be the English way,but we Canuk's prefer a hockey stick to a broom.If there's a broom around we just end up curling!
:salute
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im pretty sure no one will be breaking into my house any time soon. I'm in my front yard shooting multiple caliber guns every day. if that doesn't deter them maybe the dog will. if they do get in my house has fatal funnels pretty much everywhere. and anything worth taking is upstairs in my room anyways.
my advice for the OP is a good .45. one shot to the hand will blow the whole arm off. imagine a center mass shot.
to the .223 discussion..not to get into much detail but ive used 5.56 up against real flesh and blood in houses before. but the difference between your house and theirs is, theres are made from brick and sand. If you know how to use it up close with HPs i wouldnt worry to much about over penetration.
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thats awesome :aok
reminds me of my Dog Juma, he was half Black Lab and half am-staff, I am no professional trainer, but I can train my dogs pretty good....
a neighbor wanted to bring some sandwiches over to the house one day, I sometimes let Juma outside we had 3 acres he loved it and stayed by the house most times, he was about 8 months old when this happened, so the guy walks down our yard and here comes Juma from around the house, he was a very dark brindle, big.... about 80lbs....the guys says Juma came from around the house and stopped he just stared at him with out barking...the guy takes a few more steps, Juma takes a few steps towards him.....he stops..... the dog stops....he steps forward again...the dog steps forward.....he turns and goes home :rofl
says to me later...that's quite a dog you got there, never even growled at me...just stared dead in my eyes.
Juma was a great dog Ill miss him forever.
Dogs that growl are very unpredictable.
Dogs growl because of uncertainty and lack of confidence in their ability to remove you as a threat
Dogs that bark are giving a clear warning. "I do not approve of your presence"
Dogs that are calm and watch you do not deem you as a threat and, if you become one, are confident that they will have no problem handling it.
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my advice for the OP is a good .45. one shot to the hand will blow the whole arm off. imagine a center mass shot.
Hello. Back to the real world. A shot to the hand will leave a .45 caliber hole in the hand, arm will be intact. Have seen more than one gunshot wound in person. Even saw one guy shot thru a finger (9mm) -- hole thru finger, rest of finger intact.
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Berretta 92FS, Federal Premium 135 Grain Hydra-Shok :old:
I live in Arizona; Castle Law.
This is also my carry.
Most of the time its in plain sight, cross draw, tactical, Fobos BR-2.
Sometimes concealed. :old:
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Hello. Back to the real world. A shot to the hand will leave a .45 caliber hole in the hand, arm will be intact. Have seen more than one gunshot wound in person. Even saw one guy shot thru a finger (9mm) -- hole thru finger, rest of finger intact.
True, a .45 can knock someone down or spin them around pretty well if you hit them in the hand, but I would have no expectations of it taking someone's arm off. That is a bit of a foray into the fantastic. Besides, who aims for the hand? :D
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True, a .45 can knock someone down or spin them around pretty well if you hit them in the hand, but I would have no expectations of it taking someone's arm off. That is a bit of a foray into the fantastic. Besides, who aims for the hand? :D
Don't forget Mr. Newton. If it knocks down the target it will knock down the shooter as well.
FYI: My handgun is a .45 -- it is my choice for handgun defensive rounds.
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very funny..my mothers house was broken into last night. I'm gonna go stay a few days over there and pray he breaks in again
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True, a .45 can knock someone down or spin them around pretty well if you hit them in the hand, but I would have no expectations of it taking someone's arm off. That is a bit of a foray into the fantastic. Besides, who aims for the hand? :D
its a joke from Steven Speilburg's "The Pacific"
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Dogs that growl are very unpredictable.
Dogs growl because of uncertainty and lack of confidence in their ability to remove you as a threat
Dogs that bark are giving a clear warning. "I do not approve of your presence"
Dogs that are calm and watch you do not deem you as a threat and, if you become one, are confident that they will have no problem handling it.
dead on :aok