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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BiPoLaR on March 15, 2008, 04:53:16 PM
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I decided to roll film after at least 5 mins of this guy trying to pick me over and over
http://files.filefront.com/Vanscrews+real+fighting+seahf/;9824697;/fileinfo.html (http://files.filefront.com/Vanscrews+real+fighting+seahf/;9824697;/fileinfo.html)
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Sad.
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Sad.
I know flying an LALA
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I decided to roll film after at least 5 mins of this guy trying to pick me over and over
http://files.filefront.com/Vanscrews+real+fighting+seahf/;9824697;/fileinfo.html (http://files.filefront.com/Vanscrews+real+fighting+seahf/;9824697;/fileinfo.html)
I don't understand... were you expecting him to turnfight your Lala?
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I don't understand... were you expecting him to turnfight your Lala?
in the begining he did have 13k alt advantage it showed biP at 5.3k
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Run away!
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but then again who are we to tell someone how to play or this sorta playing is not the right way?????
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I dont see why people bother to stir up trouble on these boards... a smart pilot (like vs) is not going to turn fight an LA... he probably wants to RTB and land those kills anyways. I would do the very same thing and get my arse out of a 10 to 1 situation.
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I decided to roll film after at least 5 mins of this guy trying to pick me over and over
http://files.filefront.com/Vanscrews+real+fighting+seahf/;9824697;/fileinfo.html (http://files.filefront.com/Vanscrews+real+fighting+seahf/;9824697;/fileinfo.html)
That is extremely pathetic. BiP, chasing him through what, 3 ack fields? LMAO :rofl You truly are amuppet now!! WOOOOOOOOOTT!!!! :salute :rock :rock
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I don't understand... were you expecting him to turnfight your Lala?
Yes! he actually got BiP to overshoot there at the end as he was cowardly hanging him for a redfella! Dora has wicked roll! :aok
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Looks like vans decided to leave the area and like a creepy stalker you followed him to your own demise. Vans was doing a little BnZin but who hasn't? Then when he left you followed and he obviously wasn't going to fight. I know I've had some guy chase me around when I was bingo ammo and I did the same thing, drug him to ack and laughed as he got chewed up. I don't really see what the big deal is.
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I been saying this for as long as he has been playing AH.It is the only way that he can engage anyone, when they aren't looking and then run away.
What is really sad is that he isn't the only one who plays AH like this.
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a smart pilot (like vs) is not going to turn fight an LA...
Sorry, Strat, but this is an untrue and uneducated statement! It doesn't matter what plane I'm in, and no matter if he's 600 out or 400 out, if it's just me and him, I'm going for it!
Maybe, just maybe, you have been doing that(running) so much, you forgot to take the time to learn how to turn fight a la7. So, you wouldn't know your arse from a hole in the ground on how to beat an la7 on your six, simply because you haven't learned how to yet! :aok
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Looks like vans decided to leave the area and like a creepy stalker you followed him to your own demise. Vans was doing a little BnZin but who hasn't? Then when he left you followed and he obviously wasn't going to fight. I know I've had some guy chase me around when I was bingo ammo and I did the same thing, drug him to ack and laughed as he got chewed up. I don't really see what the big deal is.
Shut it twitboi!
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Vans a game the game player. Need we say more? Ok who hasn't at one time or the other taken advantage of the way the game is laid out? As long as loop holes exist someone will exploit them every time. Bnz'ing tards sux, but then again i've been one of those tards. :lol Sure i whine and moan when i die and crow like a rooster when i win, it's part of the GAME. It's just a game. Fly a pony, run early and hard, fly a la, run fast and kill anything you catch. Fly a stuka, well someone has to be bait. :rofl
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It was him and SHawks Scorepotato horde in FT picking everyone...thats why you see me in a lala...the only reason..
They wouldnt know ACMs if that was the only letters in the alphabet
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:rofl :rofl
Is not going to fight a LA w/ a 190 it's just retarded. And it's even more retarded that BP had to go this low. I don't fly 190's that much and I'm sure as hell not going to fight an LA with one. I was at 13K then i got lower to help someone.
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It was him and SHawks Scorepotato horde in FT picking everyone...thats why you see me in a lala...the only reason..
They wouldnt know ACMs if that was the only letters in the alphabet
now thats going to far
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It was him and SHawks Scorepotato horde in FT picking everyone...thats why you see me in a lala...the only reason..
They wouldnt know ACMs if that was the only letters in the alphabet
Wrong, Brian, Scott knows how to fight and I've seen him doing it. He was actually the first duel I ever had in this game. :aok
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Scott and Eleven i have nothing but repect for...They are good...but as far as the rest..lol...ummmmkay
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Scott and Eleven i have nothing but repect for...They are good...but as far as the rest..lol...ummmmkay
You think we have any respect for you whining about a 190 not wanting to Dogfight an La? Your not only one in the arena. Odviously
you wern't top on his list of targets either.
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I was at 13K then i got lower to help someone.
Wrong vans it shows you getting low to "PICK" someone, then seen me and ran
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You think we have any respect for you whining about a 190 not wanting to Dogfight an La? Your not only one in the arena. Odviously
you wern't top on his list of targets either.
Donna please
He was trying to pick me 5 mins before i started film
Then he gave up because i wasnt an "easy" kill
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They wouldnt know ACMs if that was the only letters in the alphabet
OH SNAP!!!! :D
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Donna please
You proved how mature you are, im done.
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Bipolar regrets to inform everyone he can't kill Vanscrew simply by chasing him down, so stop what your doing, slow so he is 200 behind you.
So he can get his manhood back.
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Bipolar regrets to inform everyone he can't kill Vanscrew simply by chasing him down, so stop what your doing, slow so he is 200 behind you.
So he can get his manhood back.
nothing like defending something you do on a regular basis.
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You know now that you bring it up, i do see 190's running now more than fighting?! Used to be some skilled turn fights with those guys, and yes against la's even, wonder how the gene pool got so diluted? Wait......i seem to remember vans coming on then it all gets blurrryyyyyyy. :rofl
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wonder how the gene pool got so diluted?
go look at the front page for Aces High, ie. the scores.Some think they will be oh so speacial if a little number is low.
Lower the score the less of a LIFE a person has.
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go look at the front page for Aces High, ie. the scores.Some think they will be oh so speacial if a little number is low.
Lower the score the less of a LIFE a person has.
How bout this, you pay my account (15 dollars a month) And Ill fly how YOU like it.
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Vans a game the game player. Need we say more? Ok who hasn't at one time or the other taken advantage of the way the game is laid out? As long as loop holes exist someone will exploit them every time. Bnz'ing tards sux, but then again i've been one of those tards. :lol Sure i whine and moan when i die and crow like a rooster when i win, it's part of the GAME. It's just a game. Fly a pony, run early and hard, fly a la, run fast and kill anything you catch. Fly a stuka, well someone has to be bait. :rofl
No one is 'gaming the game' here. BnZ'ing is a completely valid tactic (in fact, its a lot more intelligent than turn fighting). All of the highest scoring aces of the Second World War used it, with the exception of precious few. Hartmann and Pokryshkin were avid teachers of the method. Whether or not you have 'balls' if you do it, BnZ'ing is the 'proper' way to fight- even though its not exactly fun in a game environment.
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That film reminds me of chasing Hoagey. :D
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I have another film of me chasing Hoagey
Right after i posted this one :D
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No one is 'gaming the game' here. BnZ'ing is a completely valid tactic (in fact, its a lot more intelligent than turn fighting). All of the highest scoring aces of the Second World War used it, with the exception of precious few. Hartmann and Pokryshkin were avid teachers of the method. Whether or not you have 'balls' if you do it, BnZ'ing is the 'proper' way to fight- even though its not exactly fun in a game environment.
Yes but people don't realize that BnZ is a tactic. Even the ones that knows the tactics used in WW2 for some odd reason want to
discredit those who are fliers simply in my opinion "beef their ego". Was well stated in Adolf Gallands book that Tactic germans found "BEST" during spanish war was Boom and Zoom. Saying this some people here dont realize the tactics flown at beginning of World war 2. Luftbury Circle ring a bell anyone? Yeah Typical formation of 5-6 planes doing a wide circle and idea is to cover the guy infront of you. However german aces exploited this Move and adopted "boom and zoom" closing closer then 100 meters for shots. If you think This tactic was garbage then perhaps aces like star of africa were a FRAUD. What about in Pacific Ocean when F3F's couldn't dogfight Zeros? Thach wave? Oh but thats 1 on 2 thats not fair. Its a Game, people are taking things to complex level, just leave it and what CorkyJR says best "Its A game, enjoy it"
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How bout this, you pay my account (15 dollars a month) And Ill fly how YOU like it.
i mean it's a game and you play like a chump. a little runaway chump.your real life must be so full and vibrant. :rofl :rofl :rock
i see so many on here saying " it's a game" it's a game, then why run away?
or they claim " well they used it in WW2"-- that was a life or death situation which is completly different.
if this is only a " GAME " then no one should run away like thier life depended on it, just turn and fight it out, if you get shot down oh well.ofcourse you won't get any WTG's from the peanut gallery and your life won't mean much now will it?
if you claim it's a game then play it like a game, but don't quote some real tactic or some real pilot when you get scared and runaway from someone.That pilot your quoting was in a real situation and doesn't deserve somebody who is sitting on thier bum to use what they did to survive as a excuse for them running away in a cartoon game.If you don't have the skills to outfly a cartoon plane then just admit to it, dont disrespect veterans.
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Thanks for the history lesson, yes there is BnZ. But then there is flying around cherry picking in a 4 cannon ride for padding a score. This isn't WW2 and in a game it's a boring tactic, not for those getting picked but for those that use it as their one and only style of play. You might enjoy the kills for a high K/D ratio etc and score but your actual skills will never improve above picker.
Most generally go through phases of ACM, TnB - BnZ and then Energy fighting. Those that can combine all these types of fight while maintaining good SA over any number of cons (whether you have a energy advantage or not) at the same time are generally those that are not only having the most fun but also the most fun to fight against.
<S>...-Gixer
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i mean it's a game and you play like a chump. a little runaway chump.your real life must be so full and vibrant. :rofl :rofl :rock
i see so many on here saying " it's a game" it's a game, then why run away?
or they claim " well they used it in WW2"-- that was a life or death situation which is completly different.
if this is only a " GAME " then no one should run away like thier life depended on it, just turn and fight it out, if you get shot down oh well.ofcourse you won't get any WTG's from the peanut gallery and your life won't mean much now will it?
if you claim it's a game then play it like a game, but don't quote some real tactic or some real pilot when you get scared and runaway from someone.That pilot your quoting was in a real situation and doesn't deserve somebody who is sitting on thier bum to use what they did to survive as a excuse for them running away in a cartoon game.If you don't have the skills to outfly a cartoon plane then just admit to it, dont disrespect veterans.
You can believe as you wish, since this is a forums and everyone's entitled to their opinion. As I said you pay my account, ill gladly fly how you please.
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this post has turned into stupidity. all of you should stop posting before you lose more brain cells :rolleyes:
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The problem with vans is he actually thinks hes good so he will talk trash. He runs picks and everything else but as soon as someone does it to him 200 fills up with his nonsense.
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Ok who hasn't at one time or the other taken advantage of the way the game is laid out?
Me.
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No one can dictate how anyone else plays. It is about fun and how people do that is in the end up to them
Part of the game is perception too. And much of that stems from how people wish to be viewed by their peers. Some believe that high rank will earn them that respect, and maybe it does in some folks eyes. Others will try and get it with their 15 kill 'attaboys'. Some will only fly the best birds and only put themselve in situations that favor them. To many that's a sign of a 'good' pilot.
There are also those, and I suppose we all pass through this in one way shape or form, who believe that their squad is the best ever and that because of their rank or whatever, that it warrants instant 'respect' from the community.
And there are those who reach the point where they understand in the end it's all about having fun and testing themselves against other cartoon pilots and that since no one dies and planes are free, they might as well wade into the fight.
None is right or wrong. No one group is going to convince another that their way is best. And in the end threads like this will continue to show up forever.
I know how I like to play, and I do my best to accept that many play it differently. I know which guys I believe warrant 'respect' for their 'flying' ability in this game. I know which guys I believe 'get it' in my eyes.
That doesn't mean I'm right :)
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You can believe as you wish, since this is a forums and everyone's entitled to their opinion. As I said you pay my account, ill gladly fly how you please.
hurts your pride and that is FREE
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hurts your pride and that is FREE
Dont hurt my pride when someone is being a troll online. Builds your ego, aleast because you care about it.
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Yes but people don't realize that BnZ is a tactic. Even the ones that knows the tactics used in WW2 for some odd reason want to
discredit those who are fliers simply in my opinion "beef their ego". Was well stated in Adolf Gallands book that Tactic germans found "BEST" during spanish war was Boom and Zoom. Saying this some people here dont realize the tactics flown at beginning of World war 2. Luftbury Circle ring a bell anyone? Yeah Typical formation of 5-6 planes doing a wide circle and idea is to cover the guy infront of you. However german aces exploited this Move and adopted "boom and zoom" closing closer then 100 meters for shots. If you think This tactic was garbage then perhaps aces like star of africa were a FRAUD. What about in Pacific Ocean when F3F's couldn't dogfight Zeros? Thach wave? Oh but thats 1 on 2 thats not fair. Its a Game, people are taking things to complex level, just leave it and what CorkyJR says best "Its A game, enjoy it"
World War I pilots also used Boom and Zoom tactics. Beware of the Hun in the Sun...
ack-ack
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We've all had our "Not fair" kills with Vanscrew before. He's a good pilot, even if 99% of his kills are supposedly "Not fair"s.
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Yes but people don't realize that BnZ is a tactic. Even the ones that knows the tactics used in WW2 for some odd reason want to
discredit those who are fliers simply in my opinion "beef their ego". Was well stated in Adolf Gallands book that Tactic germans found "BEST" during spanish war was Boom and Zoom. Saying this some people here dont realize the tactics flown at beginning of World war 2. Luftbury Circle ring a bell anyone? Yeah Typical formation of 5-6 planes doing a wide circle and idea is to cover the guy infront of you. However german aces exploited this Move and adopted "boom and zoom" closing closer then 100 meters for shots. If you think This tactic was garbage then perhaps aces like star of africa were a FRAUD. What about in Pacific Ocean when F3F's couldn't dogfight Zeros? Thach wave? Oh but thats 1 on 2 thats not fair. Its a Game, people are taking things to complex level, just leave it and what CorkyJR says best "Its A game, enjoy it"
Yes, but we all know that in WWII, they were playing with their life also...
donkey
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I guess what hasnt been said, that should be known, is BiPolar got chucked from the squad ages ago...for being an idiot.
So seeing him boohoo about Van, whose in the squad, doesnt surprise me one bit.
I haven't bothered to view the film...pretty certain its BiPolar complaining about how (insert player name) fights.
Seems like we have a lot of people dictating how what others fly, how they fly or how they fight is all wrong lately. Players get bent of bombers shoot players down (BUFF GUNS OVERPOWERED!), if they drop bombs (Toolshedders!) or if some guy opts not do get into a turn fight with an La7.
Search me man. I fly a P-51B lately for the challenge of it. With those four .50 cals, it takes most of my ammo load to get one kill ;)
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I guess what hasnt been said, that should be known, is BiPolar got chucked from the squad ages ago...for being an idiot.
So seeing him boohoo about Van, whose in the squad, doesnt surprise me one bit.
I haven't bothered to view the film...pretty certain its BiPolar complaining about how (insert player name) fights.
Seems like we have a lot of people dictating how what others fly, how they fly or how they fight is all wrong lately. Players get bent of bombers shoot players down (BUFF GUNS OVERPOWERED!), if they drop bombs (Toolshedders!) or if some guy opts not do get into a turn fight with an La7.
Search me man. I fly a P-51B lately for the challenge of it. With those four .50 cals, it takes most of my ammo load to get one kill ;)
What you fail to know is that your statement is nothing less than a lie bud
Ive never been thrown out of any squad
know your facts before you speak
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I don't know who van screw is....cant remember ever being anywhere near one, but based on the whining about this one particular guy here on this bb he must be one of the more capable folks to ever play the game.
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Let it be known that I picked my screen name because "boom and zoom" was a phrase that kept coming up when I was reading about the exploits of American fighter pilots, back in the days before we Walter Mitty types had online flight sims to feed our fantasies.
Until I had played AH awhile, I thought BnZ meant "using an airspeed advantage and vertical maneuvering to fight against better turning planes".
Apparently to some, both those who boom and zoom and those who complain about boom and zoom, the phrase means "make one pass at 500mph and then dissapear, never, ever to be seen again."
I honestly like 190s, since before I played flight sims. For someone of my raising,the FW190 is the ultimate "sinister" tool if you wish to play at being the villian, if Snidely Whiplash's mustache were an airplane, it would be a black Dora :-). (I also like Jugs, but since 3/4s of the airplanes you meet will be Allied, flying
Luftwaffe is more historically satisfying during a Walter Mitty moment. Shooting a Spit with a 190 just feels better than shooting it with a Thunderbolt. I squint my eyes and pretend the niks are spits...)
Also, I honestly like flying to kill AND survive. To me, going into a chaotic furball and inevitably dying is pointless, even if you get several kills in the process. Take away a real pilots desire to live another day, and it is just plane Quake. (Why NOT ho if you don't care about living?) People speak of "score whoring", but score is not calculated by kill/loss ratio alone. Mathematically and practically, it actually improves your overall score to get up, get to the nearest fight as quickly as possible, kill some as quickly as you can (which usually means a good turning cannon bird), and if you get killed, then that just saves you time spent in RTB. Do this often enough to have kill numbers in the mid-three digits and you're golden.
Call me perverse, but believe it or not, I'd rather get one single, solitary, lonesome kill, get clean away with the dirty deed and land, than get shot down with ANY number of kills. Blame it on reading Kylander's book or something, I dunno.
Some act like that flying a fast plane and using tactics suited to such planes is an act of malice or cowardice. I think it is a reasonable response to the actual conditions in the MA.
Got some good sticks in my squad. Lambo, 2cmex, Creton. Have gone round and round with them in the DA, it is fun, have gotten pretty decent at it. Also found that what you learn there, you rarely get to apply in the MA
Some representative sorties:
Up a Spit. Find a furball, red and green fill the sky. See another spit heading towards me. Unload and dive under him, listen to the crack of guns during the merge. Pull my Immelman and get on his six easily he flat turns, cut my throttle and "saddle". Oh crap, there is another spit diving on me. Turn into him, get on him, oh crap, first spit or maybe another spit, I don't know, is coming. Start barrel rolling for my life, even get he flaps down, oh good, I've pushed him out in front. Oh crap!, there is a CHog on my six, and my E is low low. He is not BnZing (I wish!), he is slow and has flaps out, commited to killing me (Even though the sky is filled with green as well as red.) I die as he belch dozens of 20mms at me. CHog pilot almost certainly gets shot down pretty soon himself...he is too low and slow and there are just too many green planes. Pointless crap.
Lesson: Spits are wonderful in every way except for low top speed. Which in the MA is the same as having a sign around your neck saying "Gang me." That is why, unlike others, I don't consider the Spits/Niks/Hurris/Zekes planes of the dweebish or lame, I consider them the planes of the masochistic.
Another. Up D9, went to 15K. Met another D9 at that alt in transit to the main fight. We have the sky to ourselves, we commit to a turn fight. It is tense for awhile, maybe five minutes. He tries a front quarter snap shot (not a HO) that takes off a flap. But he sacrificed angles to do it and now it is only a matter of tightening the noose. We are turning as tight as possible, I'm creeping closer to a shot. Then BOOM, a P51 appears out of the sky and saws his tail off. Result: I've wasted time, fuel, energy and mental concentration for zip, he has down the same for the reward of being shot down. Pointless crap.
Lesson: Not only is it dangerous to commit to a 1v1 when there is more than 1 red guy around, it can be incredibly frustrating to commit to a fight when there are too many green guys around. You've got assume you will be fighting a red horde for survival 90% of the time, and that often enough, you will be fighting a green horde for kills. In either case, the old "Speed is life" saw turns out to be correct.
I've had hundreds of experiences similar to this in the time I've spent playing AH. Now tell me again why it is wrong to favor fast planes and BNZ tactics...
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I don't know who van screw is....cant remember ever being anywhere near one, but based on the whining about this one particular guy here on this bb he must be one of the more capable folks to ever play the game.
Not really, just your average player really. His "claim to fame" isn't from his flying skills but his habit of joining a squadron and then leaving it two weeks later.
ack-ack
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Also, I honestly like flying to kill AND survive. To me, going into a chaotic furball and inevitably dying is pointless, even if you get several kills in the process.
Call me perverse, but believe it or not, I'd rather get one single, solitary, lonesome kill, get clean away with the dirty deed and land, than get shot down with ANY number of kills. Blame it on reading Kylander's book or something, I dunno.
Same here, mate, same here :aok
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Donna please
The only part of this entire post that was any good LOL :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Almost spit my adult beverage out when I read that :)
As for pickers just go land and up somewhere else, then either come back at them with good alt or just ignor them and fly in some other area letting them pick others that arn't as smart. :D
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i loved turn fighting BP's LA7 in my D9 earlier. He didn't know what to do when i got his six so he went BOOM
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I was picked three times in a row tonight while dogfighting low and slow by typical BnZ planes. Am I now supposed to file a complaint or post film to "expose" the players too? Or am I still allowed to blame it on my own poor SA?
Just wondering...
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I was picked three times in a row tonight while dogfighting low and slow by typical BnZ planes. Am I now supposed to file a complaint or post film to "expose" the players too? Or am I still allowed to blame it on my own poor SA?
Just wondering...
If you're an honest, good man, blame it on your poor SA.
If you feel you absolutely just have to file a complaint, or post a film to "expose" the players, you're...Well, I can't find the word, somebody substitute please?
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i loved turn fighting BP's LA7 in my D9 earlier. He didn't know what to do when i got his six so he went BOOM
LOL umm picked would be the word
And ill DA you any day sweet pea
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Didn't HT one time say the game was all about PO'ing the other guy? I can't be bothered with watching the film but it sounds like it worked.
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Gosh, the fun never stops... Air war by day, soap opera by night :rofl :aok :huh :lol :) :O ;) :D :( :o :P :cry :t :cool: :confused: :mad: :rolleyes: :eek: :rock :uhoh :pray :devil :angel: :eek: :frown: :salute :furious :noid
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LOL umm picked would be the word
And ill DA you any day sweet pea
If a pick requires flaps out in a D9 then call it what you want "sweet pea"
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See nothing interesting in the film, only the fact that I'm on it. And that is a 1st time. :cool:
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I thought ZINCS were only allowed 2 avatars :furious
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you know vans has proved over and over he has NO honor, i will never give him(or anyone else like him) a chk 6 or go to help if he needs it.
people who fly the way he does deserve no respect, well you go head and fly the way you want, like you said its your $15 dollars, just know vans, i am a red guy to you, even if im green.
<S> to those who have Honor.
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you know vans has proved over and over he has NO honor, i will never give him(or anyone else like him) a chk 6 or go to help if he needs it.
people who fly the way he does deserve no respect, well you go head and fly the way you want, like you said its your $15 dollars, just know vans, i am a red guy to you, even if im green.
<S> to those who have Honor.
:huh
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you know vans has proved over and over he has NO honor, i will never give him(or anyone else like him) a chk 6 or go to help if he needs it.
people who fly the way he does deserve no respect, well you go head and fly the way you want, like you said its your $15 dollars, just know vans, i am a red guy to you, even if im green.
<S> to those who have Honor.
Sorry, while I have no particular love for vanscrew...what did he do that was dishonorable? It appeared to me he was fighting outnumbered and when he killed some bad guys (and the field was lost), he bugged for home.
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Sorry, while I have no particular love for vanscrew...what did he do that was dishonorable? It appeared to me he was fighting outnumbered and when he killed some bad guys (and the field was lost), he bugged for home.
i did not watch the film, no need to, ive seen him enough in MA to know,
and when i see players vulching at TT or furball island(whatever you call it), or dropping hangers at same said island. well that says it all.
i do not whine over 200, about getting killed, or vulched, or someone useing BnZ against me, or being in a fight with 2 or 3 then 3 or more jump in, or how another player plays his game, what ever like i said earlier its your $15 play how you want. BUT i will treat you in like manner. no i will not vulch you or drop your hangers because thats what you did. i just put that pilots name on my list. i have two lists, one is much longer than the other. the short list is named "respected sticks" the long list is named "sticks that are not worth the puss from a pimple on rosanne's prettythang"
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Yes but people don't realize that BnZ is a tactic. Even the ones that knows the tactics used in WW2 for some odd reason want to
discredit those who are fliers simply in my opinion "beef their ego". Was well stated in Adolf Gallands book that Tactic germans found "BEST" during spanish war was Boom and Zoom. Saying this some people here dont realize the tactics flown at beginning of World war 2. Luftbury Circle ring a bell anyone? Yeah Typical formation of 5-6 planes doing a wide circle and idea is to cover the guy infront of you. However german aces exploited this Move and adopted "boom and zoom" closing closer then 100 meters for shots. If you think This tactic was garbage then perhaps aces like star of africa were a FRAUD. What about in Pacific Ocean when F3F's couldn't dogfight Zeros? Thach wave? Oh but thats 1 on 2 thats not fair. Its a Game, people are taking things to complex level, just leave it and what CorkyJR says best "Its A game, enjoy it"
I would pay yours if I though it would grow you a pair. :rofl
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i did not watch the film, no need to, ive seen him enough in MA to know,
and when i see players vulching at TT or furball island(whatever you call it), or dropping hangers at same said island. well that says it all.
Well then, you actually don't know what you are talking about then. He wasn't vulching at TT or furball island. He appeared to be defending his country's field and was fighting against the odds.
Cod!!! I feel so smarmy defending him! :lol
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the long list is named "sticks that are not worth the puss from a pimple on rosanne's prettythang"
ewww lol
donkey
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They oughta lock this damn thread now...or PNG some people, that would be better. :rock
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I would pay yours if I though it would grow you a pair.
Then when he didn't fly the way you told him to you could delete his account. :devil
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Well then, you actually don't know what you are talking about then. He wasn't vulching at TT or furball island. He appeared to be defending his country's field and was fighting against the odds.
Cod!!! I feel so smarmy defending him! :lol
I believe Ink is talking about prior experiences with said pile-it. :)
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Wasn't this topic discussed somewhat by Rogent or cogent about runstangs.
Anyway, I know if you get low and slow your going to get tagged by about 3 or more pilots. I've been known to run, drag cons through ack. Heck I did that today in some lancs. I use to to be a fairly good stall fighter and turn fighter, but I've lost those skills because of the way the game is played. The way this game works is pretty much like Vanscrews plays. He is not the only one by a long shot. In fact I've actually seen him mix it up in recent times. I've seen pacerr do the same today, that is mix it up some and in a spit no less.
Play the game the way you enjoy it.
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I don't know either pile-it but what I saw in that film was a guy in a fast B&Z plane doing what it does best, he dove into a crowd of enemy, and left the scene as he should have. The other guy was so determined to catch him, that he flew through enemy bases with everyone shooting at him trying to catch the 190!
I don't know what the fuss is, VansCrew did the sensible thing, the pilot chasing him didn't :rolleyes:
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I feel so honored to be mentioned in your post BIPOLAR. It so mature to post a movie of you chasing someone then complaining about it. We all play the game as we see fit, too bad it doesnt sometimes fit in your little 'bubble' of how it should be played. I find it quite amusing when some one PM's me and lets me know he is chasing me (like I cant tell)
All through the course of air combat, pilots who do not have the obvious advantage, out of ammo, or god forbid, low on fuel, they tend to turn tail and run then come back and fight another day.
I for one, could turn and fight, and probably get shot down, who cares. I have never said nor boasted that I am the greatest AH2 gamer. Point being, I am not going to give you blow hard, run away at the mouths, complaing cry babies (you too Elfie), an easy kill. I'd rather see you chase me through ack and die (Elfie again). Which brings another point. Why didnt you follow me in the ack Bipolar?
In conclusion, I will continue to play as I wish, run when I wish, pick you tards when I can, and still laugh at you guys running away at your mouths. Its all part of the fun. Remember Pal-? Freaking classic times.
Thanks again for the honor.
Hoagi
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Let it be known that I picked my screen name because "boom and zoom" was a phrase that kept coming up when I was reading about the exploits of American fighter pilots, back in the days before we Walter Mitty types had online flight sims to feed our fantasies.
Until I had played AH awhile, I thought BnZ meant "using an airspeed advantage and vertical maneuvering to fight against better turning planes".
Apparently to some, both those who boom and zoom and those who complain about boom and zoom, the phrase means "make one pass at 500mph and then dissapear, never, ever to be seen again."
I honestly like 190s, since before I played flight sims. For someone of my raising,the FW190 is the ultimate "sinister" tool if you wish to play at being the villian, if Snidely Whiplash's mustache were an airplane, it would be a black Dora :-). (I also like Jugs, but since 3/4s of the airplanes you meet will be Allied, flying
Luftwaffe is more historically satisfying during a Walter Mitty moment. Shooting a Spit with a 190 just feels better than shooting it with a Thunderbolt. I squint my eyes and pretend the niks are spits...)
Also, I honestly like flying to kill AND survive. To me, going into a chaotic furball and inevitably dying is pointless, even if you get several kills in the process. Take away a real pilots desire to live another day, and it is just plane Quake. (Why NOT ho if you don't care about living?) People speak of "score whoring", but score is not calculated by kill/loss ratio alone. Mathematically and practically, it actually improves your overall score to get up, get to the nearest fight as quickly as possible, kill some as quickly as you can (which usually means a good turning cannon bird), and if you get killed, then that just saves you time spent in RTB. Do this often enough to have kill numbers in the mid-three digits and you're golden.
Call me perverse, but believe it or not, I'd rather get one single, solitary, lonesome kill, get clean away with the dirty deed and land, than get shot down with ANY number of kills. Blame it on reading Kylander's book or something, I dunno.
Some act like that flying a fast plane and using tactics suited to such planes is an act of malice or cowardice. I think it is a reasonable response to the actual conditions in the MA.
Got some good sticks in my squad. Lambo, 2cmex, Creton. Have gone round and round with them in the DA, it is fun, have gotten pretty decent at it. Also found that what you learn there, you rarely get to apply in the MA
Some representative sorties:
Up a Spit. Find a furball, red and green fill the sky. See another spit heading towards me. Unload and dive under him, listen to the crack of guns during the merge. Pull my Immelman and get on his six easily he flat turns, cut my throttle and "saddle". Oh crap, there is another spit diving on me. Turn into him, get on him, oh crap, first spit or maybe another spit, I don't know, is coming. Start barrel rolling for my life, even get he flaps down, oh good, I've pushed him out in front. Oh crap!, there is a CHog on my six, and my E is low low. He is not BnZing (I wish!), he is slow and has flaps out, commited to killing me (Even though the sky is filled with green as well as red.) I die as he belch dozens of 20mms at me. CHog pilot almost certainly gets shot down pretty soon himself...he is too low and slow and there are just too many green planes. Pointless crap.
Lesson: Spits are wonderful in every way except for low top speed. Which in the MA is the same as having a sign around your neck saying "Gang me." That is why, unlike others, I don't consider the Spits/Niks/Hurris/Zekes planes of the dweebish or lame, I consider them the planes of the masochistic.
Another. Up D9, went to 15K. Met another D9 at that alt in transit to the main fight. We have the sky to ourselves, we commit to a turn fight. It is tense for awhile, maybe five minutes. He tries a front quarter snap shot (not a HO) that takes off a flap. But he sacrificed angles to do it and now it is only a matter of tightening the noose. We are turning as tight as possible, I'm creeping closer to a shot. Then BOOM, a P51 appears out of the sky and saws his tail off. Result: I've wasted time, fuel, energy and mental concentration for zip, he has down the same for the reward of being shot down. Pointless crap.
Lesson: Not only is it dangerous to commit to a 1v1 when there is more than 1 red guy around, it can be incredibly frustrating to commit to a fight when there are too many green guys around. You've got assume you will be fighting a red horde for survival 90% of the time, and that often enough, you will be fighting a green horde for kills. In either case, the old "Speed is life" saw turns out to be correct.
I've had hundreds of experiences similar to this in the time I've spent playing AH. Now tell me again why it is wrong to favor fast planes and BNZ tactics...
Good post.Very nice :aok
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I feel so honored to be mentioned in your post BIPOLAR. It so mature to post a movie of you chasing someone then complaining about it. We all play the game as we see fit, too bad it doesnt sometimes fit in your little 'bubble' of how it should be played. I find it quite amusing when some one PM's me and lets me know he is chasing me (like I cant tell)
All through the course of air combat, pilots who do not have the obvious advantage, out of ammo, or god forbid, low on fuel, they tend to turn tail and run then come back and fight another day.
I for one, could turn and fight, and probably get shot down, who cares. I have never said nor boasted that I am the greatest AH2 gamer. Point being, I am not going to give you blow hard, run away at the mouths, complaing cry babies (you too Elfie), an easy kill. I'd rather see you chase me through ack and die (Elfie again). Which brings another point. Why didnt you follow me in the ack Bipolar?
In conclusion, I will continue to play as I wish, run when I wish, pick you tards when I can, and still laugh at you guys running away at your mouths. Its all part of the fun. Remember Pal-? Freaking classic times.
Thanks again for the honor.
Hoagi
I laugh at your retarded flying in Aces High Hoagi, I laughed at it in AirWarrior too. You've never learned how to fight all these years. The only hard part about killing you is catching you away from the crowd before you make it to acks. See Hoagi, I'm not complaining when you see me on 200.....I'm laughing AT you, I'm pointing out the sillyness in how you fly. You won't even fight one on one unless you have every advantage, and even then you aren't that good at it. Blow your advantage and you run like a scared 8 year old girl.
I was never your friend in AirWarrior and I'm certainly not your friend here in Aces High either. You post crap like this and make snide remarks in game and expect me to be your friend? :rofl And you wonder why I don't respond to you in game. Get a clue man. :rofl
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Then when he didn't fly the way you told him to you could delete his account. :devil
Actually hes right and its his 15 simolians a month. Unfortunatly the MA has turned into more of a "Look at my score" thing more and more over the years. I think BnZ said it best.1 on 1's are rare and some of the best fun this game has to offer to the more "purists" in the game. Even in AvA last night you could barely find a fight.It was land grab.
I think when they finish up the new Ver,2 weeks from now,your going to see a bunch of the vets flying less in the MA and more in the organized section of the game.
We shall see......Many more films at 11.
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Dont care Elfie
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Dont care Elfie
Obviously you do, or you wouldn't have bothered to post and mention me twice. :lol
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Actually hes right and its his 15 simolians a month. Unfortunatly the MA has turned into more of a "Look at my score" thing more and more over the years. I think BnZ said it best.1 on 1's are rare and some of the best fun this game has to offer to the more "purists" in the game. Even in AvA last night you could barely find a fight.It was land grab.
I think when they finish up the new Ver,2 weeks from now,your going to see a bunch of the vets flying less in the MA and more in the organized section of the game.
We shall see......Many more films at 11.
What you quoted was just a joke. I'm surprised that no one *got it*. :D
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I promise I will try to play 'better' so you will like me. Hope I can sleep tonight.
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No one can dictate how anyone else plays. It is about fun and how people do that is in the end up to them
Part of the game is perception too. And much of that stems from how people wish to be viewed by their peers. Some believe that high rank will earn them that respect, and maybe it does in some folks eyes. Others will try and get it with their 15 kill 'attaboys'. Some will only fly the best birds and only put themselve in situations that favor them. To many that's a sign of a 'good' pilot.
There are also those, and I suppose we all pass through this in one way shape or form, who believe that their squad is the best ever and that because of their rank or whatever, that it warrants instant 'respect' from the community.
And there are those who reach the point where they understand in the end it's all about having fun and testing themselves against other cartoon pilots and that since no one dies and planes are free, they might as well wade into the fight.
None is right or wrong. No one group is going to convince another that their way is best. And in the end threads like this will continue to show up forever.
I know how I like to play, and I do my best to accept that many play it differently. I know which guys I believe warrant 'respect' for their 'flying' ability in this game. I know which guys I believe 'get it' in my eyes.
That doesn't mean I'm right :)
I just returned to the game after three years away. I remember being a bit "bemused" at some things when I left....this thread explains it all. I was figuring out a way to respond nicely and intelligently, then saw this post.
Well said!
Of course, since you're from Minnesota, it only makes sense (Twin City area here, btw...) :aok
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well you go head and fly the way you want, like you said its your $15 dollars, just know vans, i am a red guy to you, even if im green.
:rofl :lol :rofl :lol :rofl
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:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry For the love of God the things people whine about!
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I AM THE BEHST!
NOBODY CAN FIGHT LIKE ME! :eek:
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Lazer,
You are so wrong, I am the best.....RUNNER. Just ask those who take the time to film it.
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Funny how some in this post talk about people running, I have seen most everyone one of them run before...LOL
I could care less if they run, they probably had a reason, (i.e. fuel, damage, phone call, what ever.)
We all have run before for what ever reason. Who gives a crap, oops some apperantly do...LOL
I am sure many run all the time, but the point is, when you see a guy run you can't say with 100% assurance that you know why he did.
Can't tell ya how many fights I have been in and get a phone call and either have to try and fight 1 handed or just depart the area.
Amazing why so many feel the need to come to the BBS and complain about a guys flying in the game.
To me these post fall under Rule 4, 5, and 9 (think thats the correct #s) and don't understand why HT doesn't enforce the rules evenly.
This thread and several others just like it should have been locked long ago.
These type of threads to me are more about one person not liking another and they want to convince others that they should not like that person either.
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Funny how some in this post talk about people running, I have seen most everyone one of them run before...LOL
I could care less if they run, they probably had a reason, (i.e. fuel, damage, phone call, what ever.)
We all have run before for what ever reason. Who gives a crap, oops some apperantly do...LOL
I am sure many run all the time, but the point is, when you see a guy run you can't say with 100% assurance that you know why he did.
Can't tell ya how many fights I have been in and get a phone call and either have to try and fight 1 handed or just depart the area.
Amazing why so many feel the need to come to the BBS and complain about a guys flying in the game.
To me these post fall under Rule 4, 5, and 9 (think thats the correct #s) and don't understand why HT doesn't enforce the rules evenly.
This thread and several others just like it should have been locked long ago.
These type of threads to me are more about one person not liking another and they want to convince others that they should not like that person either.
I <3 Your Avatar.
Btw, on this whole Vanscrew thing, I have one thing to say:
Live and Let Live.
If you think somebody is a ramming dweeb, let them be a ramming dweeb, because there's NOTHING you can do about it. Not pointing any fingers at anybody, but just leave each other alone if all you can do is bicker like 7 year olds.
A very annoyed....
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If there was no scoring/ranking system there'd be a lot more fights.
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I'm curious. What happens if you have kills to land and you are winchester? What other option do you have but to run? I guess you can ask on 200 to let you go but that is even MORE pathetic than running IMHO.
I'm saying this in general, not because it is the fact in this case with BP and Vans.
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If there was no scoring/ranking system there'd be a lot more fights.
and quite a few peoples worlds would stop spinning
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Can't tell ya how many fights I have been in and get a phone call and either have to try and fight 1 handed or just depart the area.
Just turn the ringer off when you are playing....screw those callers!! :devil