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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: DREDIOCK on April 13, 2008, 02:44:25 PM
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Replacement car?
This should fit the bill nicely
Bugatti Veyron 16.4
(http://www.vicky.in/straightfrmtheheart/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/veyron.jpg)
and with almost 1,000 horsepower.
It should be able to get you outof trouble faster then you got into it LOL
How does 0-100 Km in 2.5 seconds grab you?
"Its 8.0-liter 16-cylinder engine has four turbochargers and produces 740 kilowatts (1001 metric horsepower, or 987 hp). And you want torque? How does 1250 newton-meters sound? The car reaches 100 km/h in 2.5 seconds from a standing start, and 300 km/h in 16.7 seconds. It has a top speed of 408 km/h"
http://www.vicky.in/straightfrmtheheart/extreme-machines-bugatti-veyron-164/
Videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0-zFiee4rE
MUST see this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOJiybKuuh8&feature=related
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The Veyron racing the Eurofighter is very well done:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dljyEyq5Aw4
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awesome car
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Purchase price is less than developement & build cost ... a bargain.
Too bad all sold.
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I wonder what the Nurburgring lap times for this car.
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Purchase price is less than developement & build cost ... a bargain.
Too bad all sold.
They all went to rich folks in middle east :devil
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Aircraft-car races are such hokey crap. But nevertheless fun to watch. :rock
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Shelby Supercars (SSC), manufacturer of the ultra high-performance Ultimate Aero Twin Turbo, set the new "World's Fastest Production Car" record earlier today with an average top speed of 256.18 mph. Confident of the 1183 hp vehicle's abilities, SSC set out to validate their top speed claim in accordance with the strict guidelines set by Guinness World Records. Among other requirements, in order to meet Guinness' approval, a vehicle testing for the top speed record must drive down the course, turn around, and make a second pass in the opposite direction within one hour. The vehicle’s official "top speed" is calculated by averaging the top speeds of each pass in order to negate any favorable road or weather conditions. Today, on a temporarily-closed 2 lane stretch of public highway in Washington State, the Ultimate Aero posted a top speed of 257.41 mph (414.31 kph) on its first pass and 254.88 mph (410.24 kph) on its return pass, yielding a new top speed record: a staggering 256.18 mph (412.28 kph).
(http://www.shelbysupercars.com/gallery/g10-5.jpg)
This breaks the current official record held by the Koenigsegg CCR at 242 mph by 11.83 mph and the Bugatti Veyron's unofficial speed of 253 mph by 3.14 mph.
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Holden beat me to it, but as far as the Bugatti, this one's priceless:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT0ou-ZEcx0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT0ou-ZEcx0) :lol
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Replacement car?
This should fit the bill nicely
Bugatti Veyron 16.4
(http://www.vicky.in/straightfrmtheheart/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/veyron.jpg)
and with almost 1,000 horsepower.
It should be able to get you outof trouble faster then you got into it LOL
How does 0-100 Km in 2.5 seconds grab you?
"Its 8.0-liter 16-cylinder engine has four turbochargers and produces 740 kilowatts (1001 metric horsepower, or 987 hp). And you want torque? How does 1250 newton-meters sound? The car reaches 100 km/h in 2.5 seconds from a standing start, and 300 km/h in 16.7 seconds. It has a top speed of 408 km/h"
http://www.vicky.in/straightfrmtheheart/extreme-machines-bugatti-veyron-164/
Videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0-zFiee4rE
MUST see this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOJiybKuuh8&feature=related
Pfft 408 km/h :lol
This is the way to travel...
(http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/5527/tgv4402st574point8kph03xl4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
574.8 km/h (357mph)
25,000 horsepower
might cost a bit more than the car though :aok
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Koenigsegg CCX
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svxRpqeqFRY
So now we have the three 250+ mph cars represented. The Veyron and Shelby look very nice indeed, but personally I think the Koenigsegg CCX looks the coolest. It looks like a B-2 bomber on wheels!
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It's a bit curious that the Shelby uses almost 400 hp more than the Koenigsegg to go 6 mph faster...
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And the Saleen uses 150 less HP and goes just 2 mph slower than the Koenigegg.
And I'll probably never see an example of either.
However I once got a ride in on of these:
(http://www.airbum.com/photos/LancairIV.jpg)
1/2 the price, faster, and no tickets. And you can roll it without scratching the paint.
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Purdy. I've always loved cruisers like that.
Personal favourite is the Europa, mono-wheel configuration.
(http://www.airshows.org.uk/2007/airshows/beagle40th/photographs/europa_1.jpg)
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Lol..a car with an air brake.
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Koenigsegg CCX
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svxRpqeqFRY
So now we have the three 250+ mph cars represented. The Veyron and Shelby look very nice indeed, but personally I think the Koenigsegg CCX looks the coolest. It looks like a B-2 bomber on wheels!
"806 brake horsepower. And thats on that limp wristed fairy liquid the Americans call petrol"
I guess we have weaker gass then the euros? LOL
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Lol, yeah. We enjoy somewhat higher octane gas over here. 95 is the lowest grade.
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It's still never going to be as fast around a track as this thing...
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/graphics/galleries/caparo/2007/t1/pixcap11.jpg)
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95 octane in most European countries is equivalent to 91-92 octane in the U.S./Canada due to measurement differences for octane. Most of Europe, and correct me if I an wrong uses the RON (Reasearch Octane Number), while the U.S./Canada uses an average between RON and MON (Meter Octane Number), also known as the API rating, which results in a lower value than using RON alone.
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the bugatti is really not. I was just reading an article in motor trend or one of those at my sons shop.. they looked for the worlds fastest production car.. the deal was.. first car to 200 and back down again.
both the vette and the viper beat it pretty easily.. course.. .while they were production cars with full warantees.. they were supercharged or turbo versions that were options built by specialty companies.. you can order any of them at a dealer tho.
The fancy porche didn't even make 200.
lazs
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Oh..
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/supercars/hennessey-viper-beats-veyron-in-0-200mph-shoot-out/
lazs
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95 octane in most European countries is equivalent to 91-92 octane in the U.S./Canada due to measurement differences for octane. Most of Europe, and correct me if I an wrong uses the RON (Reasearch Octane Number), while the U.S./Canada uses an average between RON and MON (Meter Octane Number), also known as the API rating, which results in a lower value than using RON alone.
That is correct. Our 95 RON "regular" is equal to your 91 AKI "premium". I believe you guys have 87 AKI "regular", 89 AKI "mid-grade" and 91 AKI "premium". In Europe the available fuel grades are "regular" 95 RON and "super" 98/100 RON.
So European cars sold in the US are limited to 95 RON/91 AKI, while in Europe they can be tuned to use the "super" 98/100 RON fuel grade.
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the bugatti is really not. I was just reading an article in motor trend or one of those at my sons shop.. they looked for the worlds fastest production car.. the deal was.. first car to 200 and back down again.
both the vette and the viper beat it pretty easily.. course.. .while they were production cars with full warantees.. they were supercharged or turbo versions that were options built by specialty companies.. you can order any of them at a dealer tho.
The fancy porche didn't even make 200.
lazs
I can make arbitrary rules too! First to 100 mph and back: I'll bet some light and super tuned ricer or eurobox will win that one. Like Dahlbäck's 900 hp VW Golf: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0Jc4AzSNnY
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Heh, yeah, I thought that functioning air brake was one of the neatest features. Probably a drag chute somewhere for emergency.
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I can make arbitrary rules too! First to 100 mph and back: I'll bet some light and super tuned ricer or eurobox will win that one. Like Dahlbäck's 900 hp VW Golf: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0Jc4AzSNnY
That's actually been considered the true test of a sports car for a long time (0-100-0). The current champion is the Ultima GTR, a Brit car with a Porsche getrag transmission, and a supercharged Chevy V8. It's available in the US as a kit for about $80k.
It's all compromises though. I can probably whip around a road coarse in a $3k 80cc shifter kart faster than any of those supercars.
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1000 HP ? , what happened to "we are running out of oil" and "the evil oil companies are getting rich "?
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john.. they don't care.. the bugatti gets 9 mpg.. the Vette gets 26 tho.. American supercars work.
lazs
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john.. they don't care.. the bugatti gets 9 mpg.. the Vette gets 26 tho.. American supercars work.
lazs
Chevy and Dodge now have to compete with Nissan's latest iteration instead of Euro exotics.
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not really.. everyone ignores the ugly jap cars no matter what they do.
lazs
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hmmm check out the some auto-forums, blogs, and even magazines about the latest creation from nissan. It's been a non-stop news barrage since late 2007.
ignored? i dunno but for those who are into high performance cars are watching that Nissan very closely.
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it's very hard to ignore something like this
http://pages.prodigy.net/frederickvh1/CCW/Road&Track_750.jpg
and just you wait till MINEs and AMUSE open their 1st shop in so-cal.
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mg.. this is not the first ugly jap supercar to hit the shores. It is not the first to get all kinds of press...
It will not be the first to be ignored by the public. People will walk by one in a parking lot without a second glance.. they won't even know what it is.. They won't care. If you even see any that is.
A good example would be your nsx or whatever that thing was.
no one wants to pay real money for a jap supercar. only kids with no money like yourself will get all wet over em.
lazs
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IMO Japan has yet to create a real super car of their own (assuming that bugatti/lambos are THE benchmark of super cars). NSX doesn't count. NSX was just a reliable, refined, and over-engineered sports car that woke up ferrari and others from complacency.
It's only USA and europe throwing that term around. GT and sports cars from Nissan/honda/Mazda in late 80s/early 90s happen to meet or exceed performance of expensive euro/US cars on track.
In fact japan banned production/advertisement of japanese cars with mreo than 276hp. Tuner shops opened in japan and spread to US as the result of that hp cap. J.D.M. experts would likely tell you that engines in Supra, 300zx, and Skyline GT-R are designed to handle more than 400+ but only produce HALF of that because of gov restrictions (lol).
That ban was lifted in early 2000s.
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Mg ... what makes a supercar or hypercar has nothing to do with horsepower or track performance. That Nissan can be as fast and powerful as you like, but it's still just a Nissan. Same can be said for the Viper ... in spite of its massive engine it's still just a Dodge (a mighty cool looking Dodge, but still).
Supercars are like Rolex'. I'm sure the Japanese can make a $10 plastic watch that's just as good at keeping time, perhaps better even ... but that's hardly the point now is it. A Ferrari is a piece of road going jewellery and status symbol (P-word magnet). That Nissan is just a fast car.
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I get passed every day on the freeway by 'faster' cars.
They're not Vettes tho.
-shrug-
Nissan aka Datsun can 'spank' a Z06 all they like .. I'd still rather drive the Z06 mk thx.
..and the Vette has it's own aftermarket goin on -evil grin-
-GE
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Glitchy jewelry huh? :lol Status symbol is having the car break down more often than not?
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i have always like the Corvette, some day i may even own one.
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mg.. I don't think you get it.. the japs make smurfy cars that no one wants.
It is simple to get 1000 hp from the anvils that are in American cars. Probly costs less than the stero and wheels on your ricer. You can order a 1200 hp LS chevy small block.. you can order all sorts of American crate motors that have 500-1000 HP...
Heck.. even you don't own one of the things.. nope.. what happens.. is the guys like you who admire the jap crap end up in honda civics or acura's that have been made into laughable jokes of a car after having spent tens of thousands of dollars on em.
There are so many pumped up vipers and vettes out there that you don't even know. I haven't spent more that 4 grand on either motor in both my hot rods and they both make more hp than you can buy off a jap car showroom floor.
lazs
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mg.. I don't think you get it.. the japs make smurfy cars that no one wants.
It is simple to get 1000 hp from the anvils that are in American cars. Probly costs less than the stero and wheels on your ricer. You can order a 1200 hp LS chevy small block.. you can order all sorts of American crate motors that have 500-1000 HP...
Production tolerance lazs, production tolerances...
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mg.. I don't think you get it.. the japs make smurfy cars that no one wants.
It is simple to get 1000 hp from the anvils that are in American cars. Probly costs less than the stero and wheels on your ricer. You can order a 1200 hp LS chevy small block.. you can order all sorts of American crate motors that have 500-1000 HP...
Heck.. even you don't own one of the things.. nope.. what happens.. is the guys like you who admire the jap crap end up in honda civics or acura's that have been made into laughable jokes of a car after having spent tens of thousands of dollars on em.
There are so many pumped up vipers and vettes out there that you don't even know. I haven't spent more that 4 grand on either motor in both my hot rods and they both make more hp than you can buy off a jap car showroom floor.
lazs
Not all of them are ugly. I loved the look of my RX-7....course it looked like a cross between a corvette and a viper....
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That is your opinion.. I have never seen a jap car that was not ugly. I have never seen a jap car that I gave a second look at unless it was to wonder how anyone could design or own such an ugly car.
lazs
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exactly ..it's his opinion , and you have yours ........different cars are different things to everyone , though i doubt you will find anyone who likes the robin reliant :)
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Did you know that many Japanese people find the word "jap" offensive?
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Did you know that many Japanese people find the word "jap" offensive?
why?
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mg.. I don't think you get it.. the japs make smurfy cars that no one wants.
What world do you live in. I think you're losing it.
Guess the 2 best selling sedans from late 1980s to today.
i'll give you a clue..... they're both *jap*:)
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mg.. I don't think you get it.. the japs make smurfy cars that no one wants.
What world do you live in. I think you're losing it.
Guess the 2 best selling sedans from late 1980s to today.
i'll give you a clue..... they're both *jap*:)
LOL, now you're comparing apples and oranges. The sedans don't sell because they are sexy or that they are fast, they sell because they are dependable and economical. And yes they are smurfy as well.
I would like a new z06, and I'm not what you would consider a vette guy.
mg sometimes you sound like a salesman for the Japanese auto industry. Personaly I don't care for the ricers never have and probably never will, but like was said before that's just my opinion.
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Everyone has their own taste. I love the look of a vet. I like the look of some Aisan cars. I also think that some classic cars are "ugly", but more than likely you would call me crazy not to like them.
The point is, it's a fast car with lots of little things in it that make it "better" and the press makes it look like it's a car that you got to have. Weather you like it or not is you opinion.
BTW The SSR is something I would love to have in my driveway :D
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Here's the irony of this entire vette vs asian car thing...
A general rule for a car to be considered a supercar is 100hp per liter.
An RX-7 with a 1.3L making 255hp = supercar
Brand new Z06 with its 6L making 400hp = not a supercar.
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If I ever wanted to forgive Germany or Japan for WW2, I would buy a german or japanese car.
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If I ever wanted to forgive Germany or Japan for WW2, I would buy a german or japanese car.
Not to be off topic here, But does this mean you dislike German and Japanese people or there countries?. I'm sure the majority of both countries civilians were not war mongers like there leaders were.
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mt.. No, I don't know how many japs find the term offensive. I grew up in LA in a neighborhood that was mostly ex-internment camp japs and blue collar workers in the 50's. I don't recall it being offensive then.
Now the area (Hawthorne) is mostly all negros.
As for the jap cars and no one buying them because they are so smurfy.. I thought we were talking about the hot rods.. the sports cars with HP... the supercars... grocery getters and commuters don't count.. those are for people who don't like cars.
lazs
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exactly ..it's his opinion , and you have yours ........different cars are different things to everyone , though i doubt you will find anyone who likes the robin reliant :)
Del boy did !!
hey you like my avatar expat ?
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:rofl Fan boi has hijacked another auto related thread. :rofl
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might have to knick that for myself xbrit :)
Del boy did hehehe , that Reliant used to be in the garage on the outskirts of Lyneham :)
Still a pants exscuse for a car though
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Here's the irony of this entire vette vs asian car thing...
A general rule for a car to be considered a supercar is 100hp per liter.
An RX-7 with a 1.3L making 255hp = supercar
Brand new Z06 with its 6L making 400hp = not a supercar.
Umm..brand new Z06 = 505hp ..and there's talk of even more hp comin up (supercharged 650hp comin I hear)
-GE (just sayin)
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A general rule for a car to be considered a supercar is 100hp per liter.
What about ft.lbs/liter? Mass/power? How high the hairs on the back of your neck stand up? A Mitsu Evo won't do that, nor even a well sorted 0% fat Subbie.
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could these be the last of modern HP wars (http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/10/corvette-zr-1-ring-times-in-low-7-40s-gt-r-v-spec-amused/)
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A very good write up on the GTR
http://www.latimes.com/classified/automotive/highway1/la-hy-neil16apr16,0,1179971.story (http://www.latimes.com/classified/automotive/highway1/la-hy-neil16apr16,0,1179971.story) :aok
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"Godzilla on Prozac" as he puts it..
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The fastest car?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeuegZsK4tg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeuegZsK4tg)
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"Godzilla on Prozac" as he puts it..
in stock form... as LA times writer puts it
Despite the GT-R's official nickname, "Godzilla," it's more like 2 tons of fluffy kitten.
just like the previous skylines...it begs to be modded
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Here's the irony of this entire vette vs asian car thing...
A general rule for a car to be considered a supercar is 100hp per liter.
An RX-7 with a 1.3L making 255hp = supercar
Brand new Z06 with its 6L making 400hp = not a supercar.
That general rule is incorrect. The term "supercar" dates back to the 1920's Britain and the general meaning of the term is: "it must be very fast, with sporting handling to match," "it should be sleek and eye-catching" and its price should be "one in a rarefied atmosphere of its own."
The fastest car?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeuegZsK4tg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeuegZsK4tg)
The Veyron, Koenigsegg and SSC are all faster than F1 cars.
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mt.. No, I don't know how many japs find the term offensive. I grew up in LA in a neighborhood that was mostly ex-internment camp japs and blue collar workers in the 50's. I don't recall it being offensive then.
Now the area (Hawthorne) is mostly all negros.
As for the jap cars and no one buying them because they are so smurfy.. I thought we were talking about the hot rods.. the sports cars with HP... the supercars... grocery getters and commuters don't count.. those are for people who don't like cars.
lazs
Better answer might have been "why should I care?"
Laz you obviously grew up in a neighborhood that practiced that little known anymore phenominon known as common sense.
They probably understood that here, and probably most places outside their country It is used as an abbriviation of the word "Japaneese"
Funny how for years anbd years nobody complained.
That is untill they found an excuse to be "offended".
Which is a rather popular fad right now.
Nobody it seems is in the "in crowd" unless they can whine and claim to be offended by something. LOL
Being "offended" is to now what leisure suits were to the 70's
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Yea cant that Car beat F1 cars, and indy cars? It does have like 1001 metric horsepower or something
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The Veyron, Koenigsegg and SSC are all faster than F1 cars.
On an open stretch of road, or on the same tracks F1 run on? Because world championship racetracks rarely have straights long enough to justify biasing setup for very high speed at the expense of speed in the curves.
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The Veyron, Koenigsegg and SSC are all faster than F1 cars.
In a straight line, over a very, very long distance, yes... but there's these darn things called corners.
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All irrelevant to the definition of "fastest car". Top speed is the only relevant statistic. A Willis Jeep is faster than all these cars around a mud track, but that is also irrelevant.
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And btw. F1 cars are hardly street legal, which is a qualifier set in the title of this thread.
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And btw. F1 cars are hardly street legal, which is a qualifier set in the title of this thread.
Then the Caparo T One is still a good 5-10 seconds faster around the Top Gear track, and it's street legal.
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Since the Veyron and SSC haven't been tested around the Top Gear track that is purely speculation on your part.
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Its all crap.It took the whole world 11 years to beat this thing by 20mph.
No turbos,no superchargers, "small" 6.0l BMW v12.My favorite car:)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/N22/800px-McLaren_F1_LM.jpg)
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Yeah I love the Mclaren F1 too, but it is no match for the Veyron (or the other 250 mph cars). You can give the F1 a head start to 100 mph and the Veyron will still beat it to 200 mph. The performance gap is that insane.
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The Veyrons top speed is really not that impressive considering....
A. Its 16 Cylinder engine doesnt even make 62.5 HP per cylinder.
B. It wont maintain that speed for more than 10 minutes.
C. It has 16 radiators and is a plumbing nightmare.
To me its more of a street legal production land speed car than some of the older supercars. Sure its a very technological piece and well built but all of that to do 256 mph?
I have a Briggs and Stratton that makes 75 HP per cylinder and its air cooled!
Strip
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Its all crap.It took the whole world 11 years to beat this thing by 20mph.
Same guys that did that are doing the Caparo T One. Superior track performance with only 500ish hp. It's pretty insane, and probably the most dangerous supercar being built. No other car will really hang in there on a track with high speed corners though. It's basically a street-legal grand prix car.
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Yeah Strip, but it won't do 250 mph. I don't think you fully appreciate the difficulties involved in getting a car to go that fast. The Veyron is actually as fast as a Hurricane Mk. I on MIL power, and the Veyron has to stay on the ground.
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Yeah Strip, but it won't do 250 mph. I don't think you fully appreciate the difficulties involved in getting a car to go that fast. The Veyron is actually as fast as a Hurricane Mk. I on MIL power, and the Veyron has to stay on the ground.
Too bad some of the stuff they did has been banned for decades in racing :( I'd love to see a true unlimited series. Something as simple as allowing on-the-fly adjustable aerodynamics, like the Veyron's rear wing does, would go a long way. You'd see those grand prix cars hitting 300+ on the straights, and back to 110 for a corner faster than they could change gears. It'd also probably be beyond the realm of human endurance... but it'd be entertaining.
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I totally agree. Limiting the technological advancement of motor sport is inherently wrong and counter productive imho.
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What difficult about it? We have an 18 wheeler that will do 400mph. (Granted its using 3 jets to go that fast.)
The knowledge to engineer components to go that fast has been around for years. Sorry but you put enough horsepower behind something and you can get it to go fast.
When you start looking at the development costs you can see what I mean.
Limiting the technology in motorsports is whats keeping people alive.
Strip
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What difficult about it?
Like I said, I don't think you fully appreciate the difficulties involved. It has to use standard fuel grades. It must conform to countless safety and product quality regulations. You can't just put three jet engines on a car and sell it in Europe, it would be illegal. The Veyron must meet European emission regulations, safety regulations (even at top speed) and regulation on minimum reliability. You can't just make a production car that lasts 5000 miles. It has to last hundreds of thousands of miles (with regular service intervals of course).
Limiting the technology in motorsports is whats keeping people alive.
The purpose of motor sport (or any sport for that matter) is not to keep people alive.
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Limiting the technology in motorsports is whats keeping people alive.
Strip
Then why were Turbines, AWD, and side-by-side arrangements banned from the Indianapolis 500? All 3 improved safety for the drivers. It wasn't because they were unsafe, even though opponents claimed it was (and were disproved in testing). It was because Andy Granetelli was using his cars to make his competitors look foolish with their older technology. Try reading "Mr. 500" for a better look inside the shady business that is racing.
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The purpose of motor sport (or any sport for that matter) is not to keep people alive.
I dont believe I said or implied that...
The main purpose of any sanctioning body, other than a fair competion, is keep people as safe as the sport allows. Nascar really started limiting the technology in the 80s for safety concerns after they couldnt keep the cars shiny side up. Formula 1, Cart/IRL, and many forms of drag racing have done this almost since the first few races. In the 80s we hade Formula 1 cars approaching 1000 HP per liter! Indy cars were hitting 230+ mph average lap times on. IRL drivers walked off a race because the G forces were giving them vision problems and disorientation. We have reached a limit in the top forms to what a body can take.Your not going to see the speed increase very much any more. Limiting technology is the only way to keep the speeds down and the drivers safe. Top Fuel Dragsters are going 330 mph regularly on technology that is some 50-100 years old. Thats 8000 HP on a fuel, injection system, clutches, and basic engine components on tehnology thats outdated! Sure they have improved materials, design, and performance but the parts are still there. Imagine what would happen if they used electronic fuel injection, 4 Valve heads, and better boosting mechanisms. The speeds would be outrageous and the deaths suffered recently would be a drop in the bucket compared.
And FYI I know what it takes to go 250 mph. I have drove and built cars that regularly see speeds of nearly 200 mph in the 1/4 mile.
Indy let me rephrase my comment there....
Limiting the performance technologies in motorsports is whats keeping people alive.
Strip
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The solution is obvious. Replace the drivers with computers or remote control, and cheer on your favorite engineering team to win. :) Cars would be so, so much faster.
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I dont believe I said or implied that...
Then why mention lives at all?
I have drove and built cars that regularly see speeds of nearly 200 mph in the 1/4 mile.
There is a world of difference between a custom built 200 mph car and a 250 mph production car. In fact there is a world of difference between a 200 mph car and a 250 mph car period. There's a reason there's only three cars that can do it.
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3 production cars....I can think of 10 cars that can do it at 1/10th the cost.
Theres is a Dodge Viper that does a 200 mph standing mile and over 250 mph on the top end. That one is driven around the very city I live in.
I was building engines that made more horsepower per hole by the time I was 15 on 87 octane using 50 year old engine layouts. Thats with more RPM and a far more abuse than this million dollar sinkhole will ever see. Sorry if youve been under the hood of a variety of race cars for most of your life its just not that impressive. The only thing that registers is the money spent fitting all of the high dollar stuff under one hood. Show me any one component that cant be out performed by something 10 years old or better. I would bet you cant....
Strip
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Show me any one component that cant be out performed by something 10 years old or better. I would bet you cant....
Traction control? Electronics have come a long way.
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Had it in the 80s and 90s.
ABS too...
Strip
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...I can think of 10 cars that can do it at 1/10th the cost.
Yeah, but none of them are production cars. It's easy when you don't have to abide by the same rules and regulations. I also bet none of those ten cars would be street legal in Europe.
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I guess 3 of them are illegally driven then. :(
Strip
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I guess 3 of them are illegally driven then. :(
Strip
Name them.
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All irrelevant to the definition of "fastest car". Top speed is the only relevant statistic. A Willis Jeep is faster than all these cars around a mud track, but that is also irrelevant.
huh? why mention it then? :lol
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One is a 2004 Corvette, the Viper mentioned above and the other is a Mobile from South Africa.
All three were on the Auto Bahn at one point and driven around Europe.
Obviously not stock but meet the speed/ cost requirement.
Strip
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And they were 250 mph cars? They were registered in Europe or just visiting?
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Two of them were shipped over to Germany specially for the Auto Bahn and the other was a take over with a TOD assignment.
I dont know the specifics of being registered or not but all 3 are 250 mph cars measured by second sources.
Strip
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So in other words they were not registered in Europe, but were in fact American registered cars visiting Europe.
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LOL! what a nitpick.
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Technicalities... The supercar moniker is an arbitrary name, and a vague one at that. If it makes a gearhead or seasoned driver/pilot hard by virtue of its performance, it ought to qualify. You can narrow down 'supercars' from the top of the list that satisfy that specification.
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LOL! what a nitpick.
Not at all. The whole point was that production cars like the Veyron must meet European standards and regulations. American custom cars do not.
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Technicalities... The supercar moniker is an arbitrary name, and a vague one at that. If it makes a gearhead or seasoned driver/pilot hard by virtue of its performance, it ought to qualify. You can narrow down 'supercars' from the top of the list that satisfy that specification.
If so then you devalue the term "supercar". Most Porsche cars are not supercars for instance. They are just luxury sports cars. Only the really expensive top end 911's and GT3 qualify as supercars. Exclusivity is as much a part of "supercarness" as performance and looks.
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ya.. it's a nitpick lumpy. It's a gross case of trying to be dismissive. 250 isn't some magical impossible to reach number that only 15 radiators can bring.
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ya.. it's a nitpick lumpy. It's a gross case of trying to be dismissive. 250 isn't some magical impossible to reach number that only 15 radiators can bring.
Hmmm, do top fuel dragsters even bother with a radiator? I don't neccessarily know why you would when you're only at max power for about 4 seconds, then the engine is rebuilt.
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For those who care thats only 600 revolutions at full power between overhauls.
Talk about maintence intensive!
IMHO 250 is just another number....in a few years it will be 275...then 300.
Anyone remember the engineers who said wheel driven vehicle would ever break 250 mph in the 1/4 mile? Fast fact.....top fuels cars break 260mph in the 1/8 mile now.
Strip
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The Veyron is a nice car.
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It is good that they made such a car.. It is good that hot rodders around the world make their cars too.
lazs
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Even if I could afford one of those ultra high end cars I wouldn't buy one. Not because I don't like them, but because I have modified every single vehicle I have ever owned, and I just don't see spending that kind of money and then changing everything I don't like about it.
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Who needs something like that. I just personally like the way that the Aston Martin is styled.
(http://www.1stchoicesupercarhire.co.uk/assets/file_uploads/portfolio/aston-martin.jpg)
When I grow up I am getting one of these rides... :D
I am 36 now and looking for one slightly used one when I am about 40.
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It's just bodywork Reschke..
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So is a beautiful woman Moot. ;)
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I saw one of these the 1st time in 1980 at a vintage race at Laguna Seca. It was the W2. After trails and turmoil and losing the company and regaining it, its back in the newest creation WX-8 at the 2007 auto show and is supposed to be a production car late 2008, with the Veyron as its prey. WOOOT!
Vector WX-8
(http://4wheelsblog.com/wp-content/articole/november/concepts/vector/wx8/vector_avtech_wx_8_4wheelsblog-2.jpg)
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://4wheelsblog.com/wp-content/articole/november/concepts/vector/wx8/vector_avtech_wx_8_4wheelsblog.jpg&imgrefurl=http://4wheelsblog.com/prototypes/la-auto-show-vector-avtech-wx-8-to-be-revealed&h=292&w=500&sz=32&hl=en&start=26&um=1&tbnid=zJW7EREI_Wqa5M:&tbnh=76&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dvector%2Bmotors%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26complete%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN
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That doesn't look like the Vector I remember...
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That doesn't look like the Vector I remember...
Nor I..... this is the THE car and the man I met in 1980 ....W2
(http://image.motortrend.com/f/auto-shows/the-vector-is-back-wx8-prototype-coming-to-la-auto-show/7315651+cr1+re0+ar1/vector-w2-prototype-and-wiegart.jpg)
this is the production W8 and most known
(http://image.motortrend.com/f/auto-shows/eyes-wide-open-a-look-at-the-20th-annual-eyeson-design-show/6445246+w600+cr1+re0+ar1/1992-vector-w8-twin-turbo.jpg)
the take over folks, mega-tech, made the ugliest thing out of the vector the M12 and then went out of business.
(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/0/01/250px-M12.jpg)
I would guess when reacquired some of the same tooling may have been used to make the wx-8
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It's a bit curious that the Shelby uses almost 400 hp more than the Koenigsegg to go 6 mph faster...
sounds about right ! takes alot of stuff to go that fast and the downforce pressures are probably quite a bit different on the two cars
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It's just bodywork Reschke..
Lumpy nailed it but an Aston Martin is much more than just a good bodywork on a vehicle.
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(http://4wheelsblog.com/wp-content/articole/november/concepts/vector/wx8/vector_avtech_wx_8_4wheelsblog-2.jpg)
OMG!!!!!!!!! :O Why did DiabloTX had to put this bodykit to his Camaro?!?! Freacking shavedhead ricers ...:uhoh
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That doesn't look like the Vector I remember...
How 'bout this one?
(http://www.recumbents.com/streamliners/apvector.jpg)
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I always thought the Vector was ugly, as well as the Countach, and Testarossa, (the 80's version, not to be confused with the 50's Testa Rossa which I think is a nice looking car).
Cars should not look like wedges of cheese. They need to have curves, flowing lines, and the right sound. Who cares how fast it is if it's fubar smurfy.
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Cars should not look like wedges of cheese. They need to have curves, flowing lines, and the right sound. Who cares how fast it is if it's fubar smurfy.
These are the reasons I like the way the Aston Martin's look.
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Cars should not look like wedges of cheese. They need to have curves, flowing lines, and the right sound. Who cares how fast it is if it's fubar smurfy.
Here's a muscle car:
(http://www.konsumkinder.at/wp-content/uploads/2006/02/muscel.car.jpg)
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:rofl looks more like cellulite to me. :O
I said flowing lines not rolling. :rock
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(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/3girlsonzona.jpg)
1973 Dodge Challenger, 340, bumped cam, hi flow exhaust manifolds, 727 torqueflight auto trans,3 speed slapstick shifter.
not the fastest car out there but what a ride it was
i owned it for 6 years,took it back and forth cross country a couple times, topped it out at 145 MPH
i went from derry NH to florida in 17 hours.
if you look closely see the dirt "track" behind? it was very fun going around that with the speedo saying 70, side ways what a blast this car was.
the girl in the middle is now 14 so ya it was a bunch a years ago!!
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Well it not really street legal... but it's got most wooped in the HP department :devil..too bad they don't show what it can really do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIj2GVfua84
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WOW! It's even got machineguns!!! :O
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For me the is only one car, maybe someday I will own one.
Muscle car - no
hot rod - certainly not
super car - no way
insanely fun to drive - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVWoPXive_0&feature=related (HELL YEAH!)
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yaaa .. Lotus Exige .. man what a *blast* that would be to drive :)
He pegged it when he said it was a street legal go-cart :)
-GE aka Frank