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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: uptown on April 18, 2008, 05:14:41 AM
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I've been trying to learn to fly without the stall limiter the past couple of days so I go to the DA furball area to see how I'm coming along. And what I found there was laughable to say the least. It's full of guys I've never seen in the MA that ho on every pass, pic and gang you when you're trying to fight a 1 VS 1. Is this common place in there now?
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As for the 1vs1 part I just want to make sure your not talking about the furball area.
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what cajun said. ^^
if it was not at the furball area but during an arranged 1on1 then send a polite note to HTC about whoever is griefing your fights. (if you cannot sort it out at the time)
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its called furball area for a reason :O
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DA?
:D
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DA?
:D
I think he's russian, and just trying to be agreeable.
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I'd go the MA and practice up before going into the DA :uhoh
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There are plenty on 1 on 1 fights in the D.A you just got to ask if anyone wants to go at it 1 on 1. Then you can just go to another base there are plenty of them in there. DA furball area is for noobs there are much better furballs in the ma.
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I think he's russian, and just trying to be agreeable.
:lol
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what I found there was laughable to say the least. It's full of guys I've never seen in the MA that ho on every pass, pic and gang you when you're trying to fight a 1 VS 1.
I've been going to the DA for a couple of months and noticed this right away too. It seems most players in there are from the old H2H or are just starting out. Many don't come to the main because they can not fly in F3 mode, many from h2h were used to flying that way and were able to find fights quickly without having to travel very far. TA57 was probably one of the 10 best sticks in H2H but once it was discontinued so were his skills. Many of them tried the main but just could not get a handle on it. TA57 didn't do to bad trying to learn how it's really done in the main but most don't even give it a second thought.
If there were to have ever been a H2H/ Main arena duel in H2H the guys in the main would have tore them up every time. There are many good sticks in the DA and many of them will give you a good one on one but most of those names will be coming from the main IMO. The rest just like to furball, pick, ho and log for the night.
I myself have a lot of fun there especially if I can find a good wingman. It's a great place to learn those types of beginning tactics. Drag and bag, thatch weave ect. ect. Don't expect to receive to many check 6's by non main arena players tho. Go there with someone you know or hook up with names you've heard of before in the main. Also choose any side other than Rook. Rooks there are mainly all H2H gang players and the sides are usually very uneven because of it.
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Theres a lot of players who are game to fight 1v1 no matter how many times they lose .
Labeling all is lame .
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DA is DA..I never see 1 vs 1 being broken outside the furball area.
The problems here are very simple. Poor objectivity derived from big ego.
Countless times I pick on pickers that are jumping on a slow-flaps out-low alt furball in the furball zone. And I get " oh, nice pick Fiat!!! ".
I could bring countless example of hypocrisy in the name calling but the base of the problem is:
LEAVE YOUR EGO OUT WHEN U FLY.
I go there for fun and it's not my fault if people only look ahead and have poor SA and can't admit their mistakes.
I fly there because I practice with great sticks and joke with each other. The flights are quick and it is more relaxed.
Another thing. Give people more compliments instead. It will improve your fun.
Don't mess up DA !
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:rofl :rofl I've seem to have touched a nerve with the F3 boys :lol
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I go to DA furball when I want to whoop some. Alot of players there are pretty tragic. There's a bit of lameness going on as well. There's this one guy who just flies around in a Zero with alt and wingmen and just picks. Never seen him in anything but a zero, game can't be much fun for him. It's a lil bit annoying when ur in an engagement and working for a beautiful gun solution at the end of some knifing... then just as ur about to pull it you get picked by some guy whos come down from 10k, when he couldve flown ahead to meet another opponent in an actual fight.
Can't really complain though, anything goes there. I just don't respect 95% of the guys who are there but, I suppose the same would go for MA... Stall limiter should be one of the first things you switch off when you start playing this game. In the end it's just a little bit of quick fun to enhance some skills and switch it up from MA.
btw, if you want fair 1v1's then just ask, can't really complain about getting jumped at furball. i can always get a 1v1. I don't mind 1v2 at all, it's usually still with the odds in your favor considering the skill levels of the people there.
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Too deep for me. :rofl
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HT felt sorry for the H2H girls and made a little F3 furball spot for them is what this amounts to.
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I've been trying to learn to fly without the stall limiter the past couple of days so I go to the DA furball area to see how I'm coming along. And what I found there was laughable to say the least. It's full of guys I've never seen in the MA that ho on every pass, pic and gang you when you're trying to fight a 1 VS 1. Is this common place in there now?
The TA, not the DA is where you want to begin flying with stall limiter off. When you are comfortable, go back to the DA and find some DFC members. Ask them for some fights. They will not gang you or HO you and all of them will offer tips and advice.
My regards,
Widewing
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HT felt sorry for the H2H girls and made a little F3 furball spot for them is what this amounts to.
and it looks like the H2H girls have more game than you can handle? :P
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I poked into the DA tonight for the first time, well, almost ever, and I had a few questions. Rather than start a new thread, maybe I'll post them here:
1) with respect to the furball arena, that's anything goes, right? Generally, just shoot whoever gets in your sight? I had a couple 1v1s that sort of fell off to the side of the main furball, and I asked any friendlies to stay out once it got to that point (IF I could catch sight of the friendly, sometimes I didn't see them), but a 1v1 isn't to be expected in the furball arena correct?
2) with respect to the furball area, what is the going ettiquette for fights where one guy is either out of ammo, fuel, has a PW, etc? I had two fights tonight where this came up. Both times I ran out of ammo in a Yak. Both times I broke off the engagement and 'ran for home.' One time I had one guy follow, the second I had two guys follow me all the way to the friendly base. In the MA world I'd have dragged them into the ack I suppose. In the DA world, I wasn't really sure what I was supposed to do. I couldn't fight, I said so on 200, I'm not sure what the point was for following me home except to score a kill, that means nothing to a rank, nor to perks, nor to anything.
Afterwards (when the Pony caught me and shot me down) I was a little mad, but then I decided that next time I would either a) auger myself, b) eject, c) ram the guy chasing me. Which is totally BS, cause I hate to play like that, but I don't see the point of chasing someone that can't fight in the DA...MA is another story.
Anyway, just wondering what is the standard for there. I found it a great place to get in some fights and learn my plane a bit, without the pressure of the MA around me.
Thanks,
Toonces
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I've been trying to learn to fly without the stall limiter the past couple of days so I go to the DA furball area to see how I'm coming along. And what I found there was laughable to say the least. It's full of guys I've never seen in the MA that ho on every pass, pic and gang you when you're trying to fight a 1 VS 1. Is this common place in there now?
The furball arena is a joke. Just mindless n00bing. They've even started to land their kills in there.
If you want a good 1v1 which abides by the standard rules, you need to set it up at another location.
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The furball arena is a joke. Just mindless n00bing. They've even started to land their kills in there.
If you want a good 1v1 which abides by the standard rules, you need to set it up at another location.
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I poked into the DA tonight for the first time, well, almost ever, and I had a few questions. Rather than start a new thread, maybe I'll post them here:
1) with respect to the furball arena, that's anything goes, right? Generally, just shoot whoever gets in your sight? I had a couple 1v1s that sort of fell off to the side of the main furball, and I asked any friendlies to stay out once it got to that point (IF I could catch sight of the friendly, sometimes I didn't see them), but a 1v1 isn't to be expected in the furball arena correct?
2) with respect to the furball area, what is the going ettiquette for fights where one guy is either out of ammo, fuel, has a PW, etc? I had two fights tonight where this came up. Both times I ran out of ammo in a Yak. Both times I broke off the engagement and 'ran for home.' One time I had one guy follow, the second I had two guys follow me all the way to the friendly base. In the MA world I'd have dragged them into the ack I suppose. In the DA world, I wasn't really sure what I was supposed to do. I couldn't fight, I said so on 200, I'm not sure what the point was for following me home except to score a kill, that means nothing to a rank, nor to perks, nor to anything.
Afterwards (when the Pony caught me and shot me down) I was a little mad, but then I decided that next time I would either a) auger myself, b) eject, c) ram the guy chasing me. Which is totally BS, cause I hate to play like that, but I don't see the point of chasing someone that can't fight in the DA...MA is another story.
Anyway, just wondering what is the standard for there. I found it a great place to get in some fights and learn my plane a bit, without the pressure of the MA around me.
Thanks,
Toonces
1) you can't expect it.. However just like the MA.. it "should" be a thing of respect among players, but it rarely is. My simple rule of thumb is, if you see two guys in a good fight leave them alone. Hell I'll leave 2 guys from two separate teams alone if they are in a good 1 on 1. If it's 2 on 1 then I figure it's fair game, but even then I'll normally leave a 2 vs 2 fight alone if it's just 2 countries. If it's 3 then I'll butt in, because one of them is getting ganged (assuming it's not more of my country) at that point I try to help the guy that's getting ganged and leave him as a last target.
Just don't expect that to happen because their are far too many, that have zero respect for any type of real fighting ability. I guess they judge their skill set by how many guys they can pick in one sortie. It's the same "see red" I must shoot it mentality and gotta be the 5th guy trying to do it.
2) There is no real "etiquette" in the DA FB lake, much the same as there is none in the MA. From time to time you will find guys that will give you a GF and let you RTB. Again don't expect it because 90% of them will chase you all the way home, just to get that meaningless DA kill.
The FB lake in the DA is all the worst of the MA times 10 in most cases. You can find good fights from time to time, mostly when it's not very populated. I'd personally never go there, but it's about the only place you can have instant alt and typically find a fight in less than 2 mins.
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and it looks like the H2H girls have more game than you can handle? :P
I've never had a problem spankin ANY of the H2H guys in there. My point is that once I'm on one of em, 4 or 5 dive in at 400 mph from 10K to get a easy kill. How is this even remotely a DUEL?
The whole furball area is designed for the guys to SCARED to come to the MA. HighTech did away with H2H because freeloaders were screwed it up, but he didn't want to lose paying customers that hide out in unpopulated arenas and can only fly in F3 mode. Take away F3 mode and watch the PS2 rejects scatter to the TA like terrifed mice. :devil
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I have started a thread in the WishList part of the BBS calling for the removal of F3 in the DA. lets just see what kind of reaction we get and from whom. :D
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I poked into the DA tonight for the first time, well, almost ever, and I had a few questions. Rather than start a new thread, maybe I'll post them here:
1) with respect to the furball arena, that's anything goes, right? Generally, just shoot whoever gets in your sight? I had a couple 1v1s that sort of fell off to the side of the main furball, and I asked any friendlies to stay out once it got to that point (IF I could catch sight of the friendly, sometimes I didn't see them), but a 1v1 isn't to be expected in the furball arena correct?
2) with respect to the furball area, what is the going ettiquette for fights where one guy is either out of ammo, fuel, has a PW, etc? I had two fights tonight where this came up. Both times I ran out of ammo in a Yak. Both times I broke off the engagement and 'ran for home.' One time I had one guy follow, the second I had two guys follow me all the way to the friendly base. In the MA world I'd have dragged them into the ack I suppose. In the DA world, I wasn't really sure what I was supposed to do. I couldn't fight, I said so on 200, I'm not sure what the point was for following me home except to score a kill, that means nothing to a rank, nor to perks, nor to anything.
Afterwards (when the Pony caught me and shot me down) I was a little mad, but then I decided that next time I would either a) auger myself, b) eject, c) ram the guy chasing me. Which is totally BS, cause I hate to play like that, but I don't see the point of chasing someone that can't fight in the DA...MA is another story.
Anyway, just wondering what is the standard for there. I found it a great place to get in some fights and learn my plane a bit, without the pressure of the MA around me.
Thanks,
Toonces
<S> on some good 1v1s toonces! you may not have been as difficult a fight as a8blood or eace but they had to gang me to win. was nice to see someone who appreciates a good 1v1.
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HT felt sorry for the H2H girls and made a little F3 furball spot for them is what this amounts to.
lol I play DA a lot im bringing up a new squad....Good place to train em the most SR guy has only been playin 4 months..We play in MA often also.I been playin and payin for over 2 years...There was never anyone over there till they closed 8 player.whats funny is i see some of the best stiks come over and get cocky and then get owned :lol :lol There are a few people over there that dont play MA that will stomp most the MA guys :O
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DA is DA..I never see 1 vs 1 being broken outside the furball area.
The problems here are very simple. Poor objectivity derived from big ego.
Countless times I pick on pickers that are jumping on a slow-flaps out-low alt furball in the furball zone. And I get " oh, nice pick Fiat!!! ".
I could bring countless example of hypocrisy in the name calling but the base of the problem is:
LEAVE YOUR EGO OUT WHEN U FLY.
I go there for fun and it's not my fault if people only look ahead and have poor SA and can't admit their mistakes.
I fly there because I practice with great sticks and joke with each other. The flights are quick and it is more relaxed.
Another thing. Give people more compliments instead. It will improve your fun.
Don't mess up DA !
Fiat is just mad I spanked his CHog in my DHog last time I was there.
(ducks... runs)
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I have started a thread in the WishList part of the BBS calling for the removal of F3 in the DA. lets just see what kind of reaction we get and from whom. :D
More wasted bandwidth, me thinks. ;)
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I've never had a problem spankin ANY of the H2H guys in there. My point is that once I'm on one of em, 4 or 5 dive in at 400 mph from 10K to get a easy kill. How is this even remotely a DUEL?
The whole furball area is designed for the guys to SCARED to come to the MA. HighTech did away with H2H because freeloaders were screwed it up, but he didn't want to lose paying customers that hide out in unpopulated arenas and can only fly in F3 mode. Take away F3 mode and watch the PS2 rejects scatter to the TA like terrifed mice. :devil
you do have a point there, i cannot deny there are dweebs in the DA for easy kills. i do not however think that there are more dweebs in the da than the MA, more likely that in the MA the tards are better hidden between the good fights.
F3 mode should not be enabled in DA, that is one thing i definitely agree with.
if you want a duel, set up a 1 on 1. flying in the 'furball' area is asking for trouble.
S!
bat
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DmdFiat sez:
"The problems here are very simple. Poor objectivity derived from big ego.
Countless times I pick on pickers that are jumping on a slow-flaps out-low alt furball in the furball zone. And I get " oh, nice pick Fiat!!! ".
I could bring countless example of hypocrisy in the name calling but the base of the problem is:
LEAVE YOUR EGO OUT WHEN U FLY."
Fiat is just mad I spanked his CHog in my DHog last time I was there.
(ducks... runs)
Goto the "Ego" statement above. :rofl
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Take away F3 mode and watch the PS2 rejects scatter to the TA like terrifed mice. :devil
LOL
I do believe the H2H mode being shut down directly correlates to the transformation of the DA. Keep in mind that the DA has ALWAYS (as far as I remember) had a furball area. Nobody would use it. I would look on the DA map and see 'Furballer's Corner', and I'd think oh, what's that? I always assumed it would be for squads setting up organized 4v4's, etc. Thought it might be fun.
After H2H got shut down was when I started seeing large numbers in the DA from the server selection screen. I thought, awesome, lots of duels going on, maybe I can find a good one.
And even when I found large numbers of people over the furball lake, I had some good fights in there at first. One of the best times was probably about 6 months ago when we had everyone in the furball lake on the same vox (about 12 people) and everyone was extremely polite, asking permission to jump into fights, breaking off when opponent was bingo, etc. If I remember correctly it was Kilz who organized that orgy of politeness and fun flying. <S>!
For the next few days I would keep checking back in to the DA to see if I could find something similiar. Could never find that again. All I found were alt Tempies and 262's. Have not gone back much since.
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I do believe the H2H mode being shut down directly correlates to the transformation of the DA. Keep in mind that the DA has ALWAYS (as far as I remember) had a furball area. Nobody would use it. I would look on the DA map and see 'Furballer's Corner', and I'd think oh, what's that? I always assumed it would be for squads setting up organized 4v4's, etc. Thought it might be fun.
After H2H got shut down was when I started seeing large numbers in the DA from the server selection screen. I thought, awesome, lots of duels going on, maybe I can find a good one.
And even when I found large numbers of people over the furball lake, I had some good fights in there at first. One of the best times was probably about 6 months ago when we had everyone in the furball lake on the same vox (about 12 people) and everyone was extremely polite, asking permission to jump into fights, breaking off when opponent was bingo, etc. If I remember correctly it was Kilz who organized that orgy of politeness and fun flying. <S>!
For the next few days I would keep checking back in to the DA to see if I could find something similiar. Could never find that again. All I found were alt Tempies and 262's. Have not gone back much since.
No it's not just H2H guys.. I was flying in the DA on and off before H2H was shut down. Furball lake was full of dweebs then, just the same as it's full of them now. Sure I can understad if you jump into the middle of a bunch of cons you are gonna getting attacked by them all. I have no issues with that.
What I can't understand, is why people can't leave a fight alone that's between two cons. It should be a unwritten rule even at Furball lake, if 2 guys are fighting then stay the hell out.. I just don't get what these dimwits get out of picking a easy kill in the DA when the con is in a fight already.. Or much worse have a guy already in a 2 vs 1 and another retard jumps in for the pick to make it 3 vs 1 or 5 vs 1..
It has nothing to do with just H2H players it's the same aditude with 90% of the player base.. They have no respect for other people's fights.. It's all about "them" landing their cheap 4 kills.
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you do have a point there, i cannot deny there are dweebs in the DA for easy kills. i do not however think that there are more dweebs in the da than the MA, more likely that in the MA the tards are better hidden between the good fights.
F3 mode should not be enabled in DA, that is one thing i definitely agree with.
if you want a duel, set up a 1 on 1. flying in the 'furball' area is asking for trouble.
S!
bat
And WHY do you agree on not enabling "F-3" Are you saying it's easier in "F-3"? The "F-3" mode makes the game almost as enjoyable as "Pac-Man" IMMHO :rofl Opps..you probably don't remember "Pac-Man". ;)
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Also I forgot about F3 being on in there.. Yea that for sure sucks and is lame. Turn that nintendo crap off hitech..
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whats funny is i see some of the best stiks come over and get cocky and then get owned :lol :lol There are a few people over there that dont play MA that will stomp most the MA guys :O
You really don't know what you're talking about....
As for the F3 issue, as I wrote in Uptown's thread: if you can't fly from inside your cockpit, go play some other game. IT IS easier, Dentin, it gives you instantly the 3D image of the fight that you have to build in your own mind when you fly inside the cockpit.
For everyone who's interested in having a 1 vs 1 in DA, check out the roster and ask to Kennel members, they're always up fro a duel.
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And WHY do you agree on not enabling "F-3" Are you saying it's easier in "F-3"? The "F-3" mode makes the game almost as enjoyable as "Pac-Man" IMMHO :rofl Opps..you probably don't remember "Pac-Man". ;)
Hey Dentin S!
I go to alot of trouble to set up chances and use years of practice that i can sometimes pull off a lucky 'under the nose' snapshot and this is 99% of the time in a low alt turn fight.
what irks me is that the 20k tempest can dive through and use F3 mode to shoot at targets invisible from the gunsite.
some plane have a large cockpit and you can save and view to look over the maximum lead possible from the cockpit and i grant that is fair enough, but going to external mode to make that one impossible shot at 500mph is the difference betwen my 1 on 1 fight with someone being busted up by the picker or the picker flies by having wasted some ammo again.
but anyhow, five seconds later and i have a new plane, no big deal.
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F3 mode = glass cockpit. How is it not obvious what the advantages are?
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You really don't know what you're talking about....
As for the F3 issue, as I wrote in Uptown's thread: if you can't fly from inside your cockpit, go play some other game. IT IS easier, Dentin, it gives you instantly the 3D image of the fight that you have to build in your own mind when you fly inside the cockpit.
For everyone who's interested in having a 1 vs 1 in DA, check out the roster and ask to Kennel members, they're always up fro a duel.
Hmmm, I don't recall asking if it (f-3) was "easier"..simply wanted "opinion expansion" . :devil :salute
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Hey Dentin S!
I go to alot of trouble to set up chances and use years of practice that i can sometimes pull off a lucky 'under the nose' snapshot and this is 99% of the time in a low alt turn fight.
what irks me is that the 20k tempest can dive through and use F3 mode to shoot at targets invisible from the gunsite.
some plane have a large cockpit and you can save and view to look over the maximum lead possible from the cockpit and i grant that is fair enough, but going to external mode to make that one impossible shot at 500mph is the difference betwen my 1 on 1 fight with someone being busted up by the picker or the picker flies by having wasted some ammo again.
but anyhow, five seconds later and i have a new plane, no big deal.
:salute :salute
I understand what your saying, but in all honesty, someone has to "stir the pot" as it were, in this case it was me. :D FWIW, "different strokes for different folks" seems to apply in this case. If someone wants to use F-3 mode, it's ok with me, I'm gonna get dusted either way..at least for the short term. After all it's just a game, just a game, just a game. :aok
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:salute :salute
I understand what your saying, but in all honesty, someone has to "stir the pot" as it were, in this case it was me. :D FWIW, "different strokes for different folks" seems to apply in this case. If someone wants to use F-3 mode, it's ok with me, I'm gonna get dusted either way..at least for the short term. After all it's just a game, just a game, just a game. :aok
Translation: "I r teh gamey troll." :aok ;)
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F3 mode = glass cockpit. How is it not obvious what the advantages are?
Whoa, hold on there mate, I asked for "thoughts"..not a re-hash of the "obvious". :D
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Translation: "I r teh gamey troll." :aok ;)
Now that was not called for...
I try to be nice and get insulted..tsk, tsk. Being the Gentleman that I am, precludes me from telling you what I really think....on second thought... "get your Dunce Cap, and sit in the corner for the rest of the day. :rofl One more thing..your spelling is suspect". :devil
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I've never had a problem spankin ANY of the H2H guys in there. My point is that once I'm on one of em, 4 or 5 dive in at 400 mph from 10K to get a easy kill. How is this even remotely a DUEL?
The whole furball area is designed for the guys to SCARED to come to the MA. HighTech did away with H2H because freeloaders were screwed it up, but he didn't want to lose paying customers that hide out in unpopulated arenas and can only fly in F3 mode. Take away F3 mode and watch the PS2 rejects scatter to the TA like terrifed mice. :devil
Your only problem is not knowing what your talking about .
The Furball Arena is a good place to shake off rust in as little time as possible .
The F3 guys usually just auger cause of no depth perception .
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Whoa, hold on there mate, I asked for "thoughts"..not a re-hash of the "obvious". :D
Seems like a clear enough train of thought:
And WHY do you agree on not enabling "F-3" Are you saying it's easier in "F-3"?
F3 mode = glass cockpit. How is it not obvious what the advantages are?
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F3 mode = glass cockpit. How is it not obvious what the advantages are?
But no gunsight which means that you are going to be doing more guessing (spray-n-praying). This is not necessarily easier to fight in F3 mode but I do agree with the argument that it is easier to set up your attack in F3 mode. But the execution of the attack is not easier in F3 mode. As a matter of fact I find it harder in F3. When I first started I was in H2H and I would use the F3 to orient myself and waas a great learning tool but now I don't even bother because I can get the mental image and only very rare occasions will I use F3 and that is only to make it easier to spot con when dualing but once I have visual I go back to cockpit view and leave it there.
Just wondering if those of you who complain that F3 is easier than cockpit view have ever tried to fight and kill opponent in F3 mode?
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F3 mode = glass cockpit. How is it not obvious what the advantages are?
...is that enabled in the entire DA? Even for 1v1's?
Wow have I been at a disadvantage this whole time.
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i was talking about the furball section. i dont even want to believe that someone would secretly use f3 in a 1 on 1.
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i was talking about the furball section. i dont even want to believe that someone would secretly use f3 in a 1 on 1.
No way to prove that he did?
I'd bet you that the percentage rate is close to 100% of those who even knew WTF F3 did.
Kinda pisses me off. Explains some of the high deflection snapshots in past duels that made me wonder whether or not I was fighting a psychic. :huh
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Now that was not called for...
I try to be nice and get insulted..tsk, tsk. Being the Gentleman that I am, precludes me from telling you what I really think....on second thought... "get your Dunce Cap, and sit in the corner for the rest of the day. :rofl One more thing..your spelling is suspect". :devil
See stir pot comment. ;) :D
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But no gunsight which means that you are going to be doing more guessing (spray-n-praying). This is not necessarily easier to fight in F3 mode but I do agree with the argument that it is easier to set up your attack in F3 mode. But the execution of the attack is not easier in F3 mode. As a matter of fact I find it harder in F3. When I first started I was in H2H and I would use the F3 to orient myself and waas a great learning tool but now I don't even bother because I can get the mental image and only very rare occasions will I use F3 and that is only to make it easier to spot con when dualing but once I have visual I go back to cockpit view and leave it there.
Just wondering if those of you who complain that F3 is easier than cockpit view have ever tried to fight and kill opponent in F3 mode?
There is a gunsight and yes, glass cockpit is an advantage once you learn to use it.
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i was talking about the furball section. i dont even want to believe that someone would secretly use f3 in a 1 on 1.
Awww, go ahead, believe and you will be set free. :rofl
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See stir pot comment. ;) :D
Pfftt..whatever that means. :rofl Think I'll goto the DA and try "F-3"..maybe I can get my name in lights, and make a few friends. :D AND to stay on topic..I still advocate leaving things as they are..Viva LA "F-3" or not. :salute
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Just wondering if those of you who complain that F3 is easier than cockpit view have ever tried to fight and kill opponent in F3 mode?
While I'm not complaining, I can kill very efficiently from the F3 position, especially on deflection shots. I don't complain about F3 being enabled as it's enabled for everyone. Would it be more of a challenge if it were not? Maybe, maybe not. Again, all things are equal.
I've dueled with many of the best in the game and when I reviewed the films, every one of them used F3 to sneak a peak here and there. Doesn't bother me a bit, they're just utilizing what is available, certain that the other guy is too.
My regards,
Widewing
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Seems like a clear enough train of thought:
Can't argue that logic...I give up...you win. ;)
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There is a gunsight and yes, glass cockpit is an advantage once you learn to use it.
Explain this gunsight because I have never seen a gunsight in F3 mode. You also haven't answered my question about actually even trying to see if you could do better with F3 than without. I feel that until you do at least try it out, it is not right for you to say that these guys are actually using an advantage. Back when I first started out in H2H and not understanding a lot of the unwritten rules I tried to fight in F3 and foudn this to be very difficult to actually fight. However I did find it to be helpful in finding the fight in the beginning. The only advantage I can see F3 giving is allowing you to make an attack plan since it allows you to see the area around you and not to have to create the mental image. This does not bother me if some use this. I do not anymore since I have become more able to create that mental image but I did in the beginning as I was learning.
I really think that a lot of these situations that you believe someone is using the F3 as tool to get better shots off is probably more luck on the part of the shooter since a lot of these newer guys spray and pray more than most. Perception is usually the leading cause of mislead accusations.
None of this intended to insult or be demeaning in anyway. Just one man's opinion and experience (not that i have a lot of experience in game but enough to have an opinion).
additiional note since Widewing entered his in while I was typing:
Widewing you are a very efficient killer anyway. I was simply trying to say that most likely those that do kill in F3 mode most likely can make kills in cockpit as well and probably just as good as the kills made in F3 mode. I have tried doing this in offline before and could not even come close using F3 as I could in cockpit not even when I first started playing. I have no doubt that there those people that can make kills in F3 mode but I would venture to say it takes every bit as much practice to that as it does to learn how to do it in cockpit. F3's biggest advantage is in the SA department more so than making impossible shots (IMHO). I know you said that can kill very efficiently in F3 mode but would you say that it is easier in F3 mode than in cockpit. Would actually like to know since this is coming from someone respected in community and also has used F3 for sneaking peak and killing. Thanks Widewing
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You really don't know what you're talking about....
As for the F3 issue, as I wrote in Uptown's thread: if you can't fly from inside your cockpit, go play some other game. IT IS easier, Dentin, it gives you instantly the 3D image of the fight that you have to build in your own mind when you fly inside the cockpit.
For everyone who's interested in having a 1 vs 1 in DA, check out the roster and ask to Kennel members, they're always up fro a duel.
i no exactly what im talkin about :aok
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While I'm not complaining, I can kill very efficiently from the F3 position, especially on deflection shots. I don't complain about F3 being enabled as it's enabled for everyone. Would it be more of a challenge if it were not? Maybe, maybe not. Again, all things are equal.
I've dueled with many of the best in the game and when I reviewed the films, every one of them used F3 to sneak a peak here and there. Doesn't bother me a bit, they're just utilizing what is available, certain that the other guy is too.
My regards,
Widewing
In your opinion does F3 help anyone learn .
I see using the DA the same as MA , why fly F3 when it's not in the Main .
I could be wrong , would like your thots .
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Explain this gunsight because I have never seen a gunsight in F3 mode.
All they have to do is put a small dot on the monitor while in the cockpit view. Then they can simply use that dot to aim with while in F3. It's totally lame but that's what thse dweebs do. Oh and you can totally own people in F3 because I've done in in Il2's in the MA. You can do 1k shots pretty easy in F3.
It's lame and should be turned off IMO.
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There was never a need for the F-3 mode in the DA before the former freeloaders arrived.
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I understand that but whenever I go to F3 view I have the plane in my way does this "dot" still remain at your guns convergence when you move your view up or to one side. I never tried this and to tell the truth never even thought of it. However I do not see how even this would make it easier to win a fight. It may be possible to send someone back to the tower while in F3 but since you say that you owned people in an IL2 in F3 mode would you say that you could not have done it while in the cockpit view. What I am saying is that once you have that mental image in your mind of your surrondings and become accustomed to acquiring it then it is no harder to fly in cockpit than in F3. I myself have had a harder time getting accustomed to fighting in F3 than I did in cockpit. Maybe it is just a personal preference issue than a right and wrong thing. For me I think it is harder to fight in F3 than in cockpit. I will admit that SA can be improved in F3 but the tactics do not change just because you are in F3. E states remain the same ACM remain the same and an inappropriate move will get you back in the tower just as fast in F3 as it does in cockpit. Not that the DA is the proper place to learn but I think using the F3 in my earliest days did help in learning how to interpret what is seen on monitor and did help in being able to acquire that mental image. Eventually I did stop using the F3 and the only reason I still use it DA at all is to see where the enemy is at a quick glance and once I have my opponent at the point where I can see his black dot on monitor (not even in icon range I will switch to cockpit view for the fight. The only reason I use it for that is there is more going on in my house than just this game and F3 allows me to tend to different things within the home (ie. my 8 year old and beverage aquiring) while looking for opponent. I do this whether in furball area or 1vs1. But hey even those that are better in F3 than in cockpit can be pushed into dumb situations and make mistakes too. Just one more thing for you to learn to defend against.
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well for the IL2 for instance, it has crappy views so using F3 lets you easily set up snapshots and even long distance shots that you would never do with out F3. So it is a clear advantage even in a fighter once you get good with it. IMO if F3 mode is on, they should have it set up so you can't fire your guns while in that mode.
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Your only problem is not knowing what your talking about .
The Furball Arena is a good place to shake off rust in as little time as possible .
The F3 guys usually just auger cause of no depth perception .
Quiet Sax! the adults are having a discussion. :lol
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well for the IL2 for instance, it has crappy views so using F3 lets you easily set up snapshots and even long distance shots that you would never do with out F3. So it is a clear advantage even in a fighter once you get good with it. IMO if F3 mode is on, they should have it set up so you can't fire your guns while in that mode.
I can only picture in my mind what you are saying because I have only flown the IL2 (maybe) 2 times since starting AH2. This would be an advantage. I still think though that it is not a strong enough advantage to call an ill ended flight the result of an opponent using F3 to fight in. But like I said I tried several times to fly in offline and even early on in H2H in F3 and just could not adjust. But I adjusted relatively easily to cockpit view flight and this maybe in part to starting out the way I did in F3. I say leave it in (IMO) and if you chose to use it fine if not that is fine too. I just think that once you are able to form that mental image in your mind getting those snapshots is still possible. You just have to judge the distance and speed of your opponent. Which this is half the fight anyway even in cockpit and F3 mode. To maintain good SA you have to look in all directions repeatedly (I still need more work in this area especially). Which requires you to look away from your opponent even in F3 mode. He may have a slightly better chance at a snapshotin F3 mode than in cockpit but if he were experienced I think the advantage would be minor at best and not enough to call unbeatable and yet also not enough to ruin my fun.
Just sayingit is really all about fun fights and if someone is using F3 and providing me a challenge then that is fine with me. I am not really here for the realizism but for the edge of seat fights (especially the DA). I say F3 away give me a challenge.
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Can't argue that logic...I give up...you win. ;)
What do I win?
dkff49, you're gonna have to boil down your posts.. There's a gunsight, you just don't know about it. And if you can't see how F3 is an advantage, you're on your own, sorry.
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In your opinion does F3 help anyone learn .
I see using the DA the same as MA , why fly F3 when it's not in the Main .
I could be wrong , would like your thots .
It helps players who are having trouble maintaining a visual on the opposing player(s). They can glance all around. However, it doesn't seem to be of much help if you're already in trouble.
In the TA, it allows new players to have some basic level of SA. The drawback is that some guys fly that way too often and can't get along without it and feel blind in the MA.
It allows players to see things below their nose, that otherwise would not be visible. It allows easier tracking of multiple enemies.
Personally, I don't think it should be on in the DA. Yet, I don't find it to be a major issue, as everyone has that capability. I do think, however, that a pilot will never become as good as he can be if he relies on F3.
My regards,
Widewing
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While I'm not complaining, I can kill very efficiently from the F3 position, especially on deflection shots. I don't complain about F3 being enabled as it's enabled for everyone. Would it be more of a challenge if it were not? Maybe, maybe not. Again, all things are equal.
I've dueled with many of the best in the game and when I reviewed the films, every one of them used F3 to sneak a peak here and there. Doesn't bother me a bit, they're just utilizing what is available, certain that the other guy is too.
My regards,
Widewing
I've never used it in any arena but the MA with the IL2, and that is very rare. I don't like it, I am used to my own way of "seeing" out of my plane. I use the number keypad for views and always have.
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.. There's a gunsight, you just don't know about it. And if you can't see how F3 is an advantage, you're on your own, sorry.
I know I don't know about it that is why in an earlier post I asked you to explain what you meant by a gunsight being present. I have not been able to find a way to use a gunsight until Crocket posted. Is this what you meant?
Sorry for long posts though just trying to make sure I don't lead people in an unintended direction.
You are probably right I guess I will never see more of an advantage other than a minor amount of SA advantage. Mostly because like Skyrock I can not get used to the F3 mode.
hope this a little better
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Yes. Looking forward, the exact center of the screen is your gunsight. Put a dot there and you've got yourself a glass cockpit.
Sorry for not having the patience to read your posts, but I already spend too much time reading and writing in the forums as it is.. If you type out posts of that size without using paragraphs, it'll give people a reason to just not bother with decrypting the block o text :).
I can't stand F3 either. It's gamey and doesn't have the instruments. And I don't like using crutches like that.. It makes winning cheap and shallow.
Another thing is that one of the most (if not the most) efficient ways to efficiently use a tool, any tool, is to mentaly make it an extension of your body. If you're racing a car, you can easily mentaly absorb it, the tires becoming the skin of your feet, the suspension your legs, etc. Flying in F3 gives one more degree of removal from that.
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Are you saying it's easier in "F-3"?
Hmmm, I don't recall asking if it (f-3) was "easier"..simply wanted "opinion expansion" . :devil :salute
The first quote looks like a question, to me. And it wasn't that far from my post.
Or, if you prefer, I didn't answer any question, I just gave you an expanded opinion.
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The first quote looks like a question, to me. And it wasn't that far from my post.
Or, if you prefer, I didn't answer any question, I just gave you an expanded opinion.
You're correct in both instances.. :)
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good fights sads and agent the other day.
seems that the furball area does descend into anarchy when the americans hop in.
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I don't like it, I am used to my own way of "seeing" out of my plane. I use the number keypad for views and always have.
This is why I continually resist going to a full HOTAS & peddle setup. I'm still using a twisty stick with a mini throttle attached and cant imagine learning to use a hat switch to look around. Would probably take me an entire tour to get use to not flying with my left hand on the keypad, let alone managing to maintain solid SA.
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hotas usually has more than one 8 way Hat,
On my stick i have the normal 8 then on another the second set. I mix and match with my thumbs. Same result as the num pad.
All your doing is pressing a button.
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Im stubborn. :D
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I have no clue how F3 could be considered a help unless you have a con buried in your low 6, in which case you probably need a cloaking device not F3. To me so much of a fight is subtle (or not so subtle) differences in E state, relative angles and lift vector orientation. The only accurate way to "feel" the differances IMO is from your cockpit view. This is entirely different from the old AW "glass cockpit" that gave you both the proper perspective and the view "under the nose".
I can see how a hat switch mapped to internal/external view might help a guy "fish the nose" but the variation in view would also throw the timing off IMO. I spend an awful lot of time in the A-20 and never use F3 except on climbout when I'm on Vox or occasionally if I'm flying cap and just calling out cons to other guys....the moment I'm engaged I'm back in the cockpit...to me the only place to really manage a fight from.
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You're correct in both instances.. :)
This thread seems to be slowly deteriorating, so to that end, may I suggest the following before I graciously exit this topic. In order to create an "even playing field" and make things a lot more interesting (and hilarious) I suggest that ALL the Arenas have the "F-3" mode enabled...think of the possibilities. :rofl
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The only reason why I go in to the furball arena is simple...
I'm new (4 weeks in the game, first fight sim ever), need to practice SA, what better place? Right in the middle of it...
Mind that there's no difference between a furball in DA and MA, you have pickers and HO'ers in both...
Unfortunatly, I had to learn the mentality the hard way...
Only 2 in the furball area, me and someone else. Had a merge, clean, I tought guns cold on first merge, as normal in a 1v1 (so one of the trainers told me...), and the other guy just went HO... Too bad, but too can play that game...
I take it for what it is... a place to practice SA...
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This thread seems to be slowly deteriorating, so to that end, may I suggest the following before I graciously exit this topic. In order to create an "even playing field" and make things a lot more interesting (and hilarious) I suggest that ALL the Arenas have the "F-3" mode enabled...think of the possibilities. :rofl
:rofl :salute
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This thread seems to be slowly deteriorating, so to that end, may I suggest the following before I graciously exit this topic. In order to create an "even playing field" and make things a lot more interesting (and hilarious) I suggest that ALL the Arenas have the "F-3" mode enabled...think of the WHINES. :rofl
THAT's what you meant, isn't it? :D
Mind that there's no difference between a furball in DA and MA, you have pickers and HO'ers in both...
There is, Barry, in MA you have pickers and HOers who are far better than the noobs you find in DA, much more dangerous... and the numbers are higher, more red icons to keep track of. AND you don't have F3 to help, there.
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I didn't even know about the F3 option in the DA :D :D :D
I Never use it ;)
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only advantage is to see planes behind you and thats not where you want them to be anyway!
Shooting from that position won't help you much either, plus you won't be able to use it anywhere else except in an il2 or other like bomber in a dogfighting situation.
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only advantage is to see planes behind you and thats not where you want them to be anyway!
Shooting from that position won't help you much either, plus you won't be able to use it anywhere else except in an il2 or other like bomber in a dogfighting situation.
Not only behind you, Bruv. When you're in the cockpit, even with head adjustment there's at least a good 40 % of the sphere of air surrounding your plane that remains hidden by the planes itself. You can't see planes on your low 1, just to say... you can with F3 view.
And the shooting is not really an issue: I can't understand why everyone in this thread keeps thinking only of snapshots, while you can simply saddle on your enemy's six in F3 view, you just have to push a key and get back in the cockpit, with your target near the gunsight.
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While I'm not complaining, I can kill very efficiently from the F3 position, especially on deflection shots. I don't complain about F3 being enabled as it's enabled for everyone. Would it be more of a challenge if it were not? Maybe, maybe not. Again, all things are equal.
I've dueled with many of the best in the game and when I reviewed the films, every one of them used F3 to sneak a peak here and there. Doesn't bother me a bit, they're just utilizing what is available, certain that the other guy is too.
My regards,
Widewing
late seeing this but had to comment. I cannot agree with you at all widewing, i haev never used the F3 mode for a duel and if the other person was without announcing it before hand then they 'cheated' in my book.
judging under the nose shots should be a skill to hone. using f3 mode in a duel gives you a huge advantage and now that i read your post i geuss I am one of the only ones who wishes it was turned off in the DA. :huh
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judging under the nose shots should be a skill to hone. using f3 mode in a duel gives you a huge advantage and now that i read your post i geuss I am one of the only ones who wishes it was turned off in the DA. :huh
cc - never used it and actually never imagined it could help a skilled pilot. Should be turned off just like the # of landed kill message in DA - no use for either of them.
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late seeing this but had to comment. I cannot agree with you at all widewing, i haev never used the F3 mode for a duel and if the other person was without announcing it before hand then they 'cheated' in my book.
judging under the nose shots should be a skill to hone. using f3 mode in a duel gives you a huge advantage and now that i read your post i geuss I am one of the only ones who wishes it was turned off in the DA. :huh
I guess you missed this post too...
"Personally, I don't think it should be on in the DA. Yet, I don't find it to be a major issue, as everyone has that capability. I do think, however, that a pilot will never become as good as he can be if he relies on F3."
Read carefully Bat, you can misunderstand if you just glance.
My regards,
Widewing
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For all: Do me a favor, if you don't want to go to the Furball then don't go. Play your little base captures and vulch fests in the MA and let other people have fun. If you get tooled in the Furball big deal it is just a game.
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well im another ignorant one, didn't know you could use it, about a week ago i went in there upped a spit 16 killed 6 real quick thought "what the heck? ahh must be all noobs" lol
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This has been an interesting discussion. I flew H2H for a couple of months until it was closed, then I flew MA for several months until our H2H buds started flying in the furball area of the DA. Funny, but after that, a lot of people started showing up from the MA. I don't know why. No one forces them to come. I think they come looking for a good fight. They can always duel in many other areas of this arena and can do so undisturbed. The furball is a furball for fighters only, no base capturing, tanks, bombers, etc. Just lots of fighters in a free-for-all envioronment. I don't fight with F3. I do much better without it and I don't care if others use it. I just fly what I like and try to kill other planes, which I thought was the premiss behind this game. I see lots of other players who make up their own "rules" of etiquette. Sorry, but there are no rules except for no swearing or hacking, as far as I know.
My thought is simple. If you don't like it, don't fly there. I still fly in the MA from time to time and I get my share of kills there and I get killed there. Funny, but the same thing happens to me in the DA. I fly there becaue I like the kind of action there and the shorter time it takes to find a fight. I WANT to fly there. If you don't like it....my suggestion is, again, push the exit button.
Spacy
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I guess you missed this post too...
"Personally, I don't think it should be on in the DA. Yet, I don't find it to be a major issue, as everyone has that capability. I do think, however, that a pilot will never become as good as he can be if he relies on F3."
Read carefully Bat, you can misunderstand if you just glance.
My regards,
Widewing
:o
ooops, guilty as charged.
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Should be turned off just like the # of landed kill message in DA - no use for either of them.
There, another great idea! I second that, Lengro.
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There, another great idea! I second that, Lengro.
no use for landed kills in ma either :O
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All you anti Furball trolls need to get out of your Mom's basement, wash your Star Trek t-shirt and get a life. The MA is a boring mess for alot of people. Shade tree MacArthurs running CV's on the beach, useless vulching, score hounds, and the like just ruined it for me. For some people who work have families and jobs, jumping in the Furball and having good quick fights and flying with good like minded people is every bit worth $15.00! If some picktard from the MA comes over and flies in the Furball gets his little ego bruised because he got tooled don't mean he has to start a thread about how much "he" thinks it should be changed. Lord I wish we had a dot command ".slapinfacewithflightglove". There is nothing wrong with it the way it is now and if you don't like it, don't go in. :aok
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no use for landed kills in ma either :O
Nope, DA is the place that has to get rid of it.
You see, many of you haven't played this game long enough to understand why we say what we say: system kills notifications have always been in DA like in MA. The matter is no one but the noobs landed kills in DA, because it was the place for the fight, where only the fight meant and everything else was nothing. And, indeed, what sense may have to land kills in a place where there's not even a score?
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Read this thread yesterday at work, and out of curiosity went to furball area in the DA to see for myself.
conclusion: it was a good place to get some quick action, and experiment with f3 mode for the heck of it.
Got a few kills, got a few deaths, had a couple of good 1 vs 1, and some multi player engagements. Found
I am so used to non f3 mode, I couldnt really use it. Good place to work on, well what else, "furballin".
In general it was a good time, something different from the ma.
I will spend more time there in the future, as it is.
The way I see it its about choices, different arenas should be different, or else whats the use of having more than one arena.
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I laugh when someone lands kills in the DA. I don't remember anyone, other then noobs, doing that before the Welfare Arena was shut down. A separate arena should be created for furballing, so the Duelists could be left alone in the Dueling Arena.
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This thread sure has brought out a lot of shades and squeakers.
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So, exactly why was it turned on? I don't remember seeing any requests for it. We ask for things, we don't get. We don't ask, and we receive? :rofl
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Welfare Arena
:lol
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Nope, DA is the place that has to get rid of it.
You see, many of you haven't played this game long enough to understand why we say what we say: system kills notifications have always been in DA like in MA. The matter is no one but the noobs landed kills in DA, because it was the place for the fight, where only the fight meant and everything else was nothing. And, indeed, what sense may have to land kills in a place where there's not even a score?
well a lot of new people play there and they enjoy landing there kills..Its as simple as that..Most people were brought up to win and crashing ur plane into the ground is goofy to a lot of folks. I think its funny that people landing planes in DA bugs u so much....So I say folks land em all IN the DA..
What kind of little man syndrome u got anyways??
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no perks, no points... just your name in lights!
I'll land in anywhere if I'm out of fuel or ammo, just habit i guess. doesn't matter if i have kills or not.
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All you anti Furball trolls need to get out of your Mom's basement, wash your Star Trek t-shirt and get a life. The MA is a boring mess for alot of people. Shade tree MacArthurs running CV's on the beach, useless vulching, score hounds, and the like just ruined it for me. For some people who work have families and jobs, jumping in the Furball and having good quick fights and flying with good like minded people is every bit worth $15.00! If some picktard from the MA comes over and flies in the Furball gets his little ego bruised because he got tooled don't mean he has to start a thread about how much "he" thinks it should be changed. Lord I wish we had a dot command ".slapinfacewithflightglove". There is nothing wrong with it the way it is now and if you don't like it, don't go in. :aok
:salute :rock
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I popped into the DA last night and I had a load of fun.
I had a good laugh with Agent360 as we seemed to keep coming 1-1. We had some good fights K4 - Mossie.
<S> Agent360.
I will never forget that shot you made as you where stalling on the rope and looking into the sun. I was just coming over the top for the kill and one round put my starboard engine out immediatley and sent me into an inverted flat spin. I did learn that I need to sharpen up my gunnery. Looks like tracers are going off for a while.
Chanzz... I never did make it back over to you. Something red kept appearing to distract me. <S>
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well a lot of new people play there and they enjoy landing there kills..Its as simple as that..Most people were brought up to win and crashing ur plane into the ground is goofy to a lot of folks. I think its funny that people landing planes in DA bugs u so much....So I say folks land em all IN the DA..
What kind of little man syndrome u got anyways??
It's called a "Napoleon complex"..just for your edification.. :rofl
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It's called a "Napoleon complex"..just for your edification.. :rofl
:lol :lol :lol
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(http://www.dasmuppets.com/public_images/posters/press3.gif)
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well a lot of new people play there and they enjoy landing there kills..Its as simple as that..Most people were brought up to win and crashing ur plane into the ground is goofy to a lot of folks.
As I said, noobs.
I think its funny that people landing planes in DA bugs u so much....So I say folks land em all IN the DA..
You don't get it. It's not a matter of bugging... the real problem is what will (and have) happened if you have kill messages enabled in DA. If you promote the names in light in there, you're gonna have there the same kind of crappy flying you have in MA... cherry pickers, vulchers, HO, gangbangers: people who'd do anything just for having a kill. While the DA is all about the fighting, not the name in lights. That's another of the reasons why the level of the opponents and the fights have dropped so drastically in the last monhts.
What kind of little man syndrome u got anyways??
No syndrome at all, bud, I'm a perfectly healthy man, with a reasoning brain, and a satisfying life. And, dentin, the "Napoleon complex" is what the MA little generals have, not furballers. Try it again.
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Look at me, I landed kills in the DA!
(http://www.bridgetobridge.com/images/2006/specialOlympicsMainPage.jpg)
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The Dueling Arena has always been about the Fight above all else. More time spent landing, equals less time spent fighting. A True Furballer doesn't worry about landing.
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The Dueling Arena has always been about the Fight above all else. More time spent landing, equals less time spent fighting. A True Furballer doesn't worry about landing.
In ur opinions but for 15$ a month they can ho u, pik u, ram u, gang u, or just simply out fly u..This game hasnt changed in the 2 1/2 years i been playin not 1 bit...Only diff is now most people who played head 2 head are in the DA now.. Nothin has changed except the way the main arenas are set up...Always been the same ole thing Gian..
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When you make no attempt to write properly, that means you are disrespecting the intended audience. Do not be surprised if some of them respond in kind. Most people however, simply ignore unreadable text.
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Nothin has changed except the way the main arenas are set up...Always been the same ole thing Gian..
I don't agree. DA has changed since last september. And, btw...
or just simply out fly u..
I don't agree with this one, either. To out fly someone you have to take the time and learn to fight. Something the crowd of HOers, pickers, gangers never do.
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Look at me, I landed kills in the DA!
(http://www.bridgetobridge.com/images/2006/specialOlympicsMainPage.jpg)
:rofl
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you guys mind not making fun of people who deserve it by using pictures of people who don't.
I'm not easily offended but I've spent a lot of time working with disabled and special people and using a picture like that is disgusting to me.
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you guys mind not making fun of people who deserve it by using pictures of people who don't.
You mean like making fun out of oppressed people in Olympic games thread? Hypocrite...
That said, you have to view it in the context and forget the rest. Don't try to attach some deeper meaning to every single post or picture.
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When you make no attempt to write properly, that means you are disrespecting the intended audience. Do not be surprised if some of them respond in kind. Most people however, simply ignore unreadable text.
lol dude get a life :aok
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SQUEAK SQUEAK SQUEAK
I'm sure your mom is real proud that you're doing so well in Ebonics Class.
P.S. You really think people on this board understand half the dribble you type?
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No u got it wrong Gianlupo think u did not understand what i was sayin...THe DA has changed since the 8 player has been deleted...Before that the only people u seen in there were people wanting 1 on 1s or squad practice...U never seen that many folks in there before that as an average. My other point was that people have the right to fly however they want.. I dont Ho and try to avoid em at all costs.The newer folks do most of the time cause thats the closest they get to actually hittin somthin.My real point in that is people will fly however they choose.. I dont blame em even though it makes me :furious at times...
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I'm sure your mom is real proud that you're doing so well in Ebonics Class.
P.S. You really think people on this board understand half the dribble you type?
U got to be anal as hell to use that crud on someone...Hey boys we have the spelling police here..Ur probably one of those people who can read a book a day but cant change a flat tire or tie ur shoes..Im very well off doin better than most my friends that went to college.. My mom is very proud but i have to call because she cant read my letters :O
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My mom is very proud but i have to call because she cant read my letters :O
That's a good one. Guess I'll give you a little slack since you have a sense of humor. :)
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As I said, noobs.
You don't get it. It's not a matter of bugging... the real problem is what will (and have) happened if you have kill messages enabled in DA. If you promote the names in light in there, you're gonna have there the same kind of crappy flying you have in MA... cherry pickers, vulchers, HO, gangbangers: people who'd do anything just for having a kill. While the DA is all about the fighting, not the name in lights. That's another of the reasons why the level of the opponents and the fights have dropped so drastically in the last monhts.
No syndrome at all, bud, I'm a perfectly healthy man, with a reasoning brain, and a satisfying life. And, dentin, the "Napoleon complex" is what the MA little generals have, not furballers. Try it again.
Hey sonny, I didn't point the definition at you. :noid. so I really don't have to "try again"...but as "they" say, if the shoe fits, wear it". :) ViVa La F-3 in the "game". :rofl
OUT (for real this time)
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Wow people, I cannot believe how this thread has degenerated. Posting the picture of the handicapped girl was a classless attempt at humor which failed. You should be ashamed of yourself. Xargos and friends, do not be afraid to come to an arena where the odds are virtually even.I understand if you can't hang. I also understand that people are alot braver behind a keyboard than behind a stick. I have proven that over the last couple of days! So with that said, players have a choice of arenas to play in. If you do not play in an arena, then do not make comments on it. 40 or 50 plane FURBALLS have been happening recently and if you actually where in a "Dogfighter Club" you would appreciate that. The DA FURBALL beats the early and mid arenas by number of participants everynight. To tell you the truth it is the hottest thing going in the game.If you go to an arena and get your a@@ whooped, (which was the reason this thread started in the first place), then you are not required to go start a "this or that sucks" thread. I reccomend someone locks this thread. By the way Xargos, do not bother to respond to this no one really cares what you think. :D
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Aren't you the guy that once whined in all caps on channel 1 that my jet went up to your 15k P51 from the deck in 5 seconds?
"I understand if you can't hang. I also understand that people are alot braver behind a keyboard than behind a stick. I have proven that over the last couple of days! So with that said, players have a choice of arenas to play in. "
Sounds like you're still as smart as back then.
It's stupid of me to reply to such a troll, but FYI:
"By the way Xargos, do not bother to respond to this no one really cares what you think."
About 5 dozen of the best sticks in the game do.
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Posting the picture of the handicapped girl was a classless attempt at humor which failed.
How do you know she's handicapped? Or do you just have a habit calling little girls a 'special' kind?
If you do not play in an arena, then do not make comments on it.
Get real. Most of those have used DA before you even knew it exist.
40 or 50 plane FURBALLS have been happening recently and if you actually where in a "Dogfighter Club" you would appreciate that.
What has dogfighting in common with general dweebery you and your ilk participate in? Nothing!
If you go to an arena and get your a@@ whooped, (which was the reason this thread started in the first place), then you are not required to go start a "this or that sucks" thread.
You have a long way to go before you'll be entitled to use grand phrases like "a@@ whooped"...
no one really cares what you think. :D
Definitely more care what he thinks, than what welfare arena transplant like you does...
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Aren't you the guy that once whined in all caps on channel 1 that my jet went up to your 15k P51 from the deck in 5 seconds?
"I understand if you can't hang. I also understand that people are alot braver behind a keyboard than behind a stick. I have proven that over the last couple of days! So with that said, players have a choice of arenas to play in. "
Sounds like you're still as smart as back then.
It's stupid of me to reply to such a troll, but FYI:
"By the way Xargos, do not bother to respond to this no one really cares what you think."
About 5 dozen of the best sticks in the game do.
You should have seen him the other night, talking crap on 200 then he gets popped by a P-38J that came in low on a lead turn climb on the merge. He stopped talking on the radio after that.
ack-ack
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Lies all lies! Don't fly P-51. Jet? What a dork.Don't remember the high point of your career ack-ack! But I remember dusting a few 38's awhile back and numbers guys where not flying them. :O Refer to my previous two posts!
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Everyone's dying to get something useful out of this thread, like an invitation to the DA.
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Go to FURBALL all MA score hounds, internet pilots who post here but have not flown this tour, and anyone else whose feathers are ruffled. The more the better. :lol
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What?
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yup, i have been in there afew times, all they do is hoe
-BigBOBCH
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Lies all lies! Don't fly P-51. Jet? What a dork.Don't remember the high point of your career ack-ack! But I remember dusting a few 38's awhile back and numbers guys where not flying them. :O Refer to my previous two posts!
This was the day before yesterday, you were flying a F6F-5 Hellcat talking crap as usual. The irony of it is that you were belittling someone for their flying skill only to have yourself shot down about .5 seconds after we merged.
Of course, if you like you can show me one night if you're not too terrified how you used to 'dust' P-38s. I promise I won't make too much fun of you after each kill.
ack-ack
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You mean like making fun out of oppressed people in Olympic games thread? Hypocrite...
That said, you have to view it in the context and forget the rest. Don't try to attach some deeper meaning to every single post or picture.
I think I was showing my support of the oppressed people in Tibet...I'm sorry you thought I was mocking them. I sincerely believe that the people of Tibet are being severely wronged by the Chinese govt.
I'm not drawing a "deeper" meaning. I'm letting you know that the picture used as you have used it is tasteless and frankly immature.
This thread is getting worse and worse, I'm out!
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Ack-Ack, you might need to check your squadron website. There are porn links on it. Just trying to be a good citizen.
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Ack-Ack, you might need to check your squadron website. There are gay porn links on it.http://479th.jasminemarie.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=37 Just trying to be a good citizen.
Actually, it's a rather nifty program that Murdr put up on the site. It will pop up adverts depending on interest and shopping habits of the visitor. The cookie determined what you're interests were by your previous browsing history and displayed the adverts that would most interest you.
BTW- You never did reply to my offer...I guess like all of your crap talk, it's exactly what it is, crap. Enjoy the adverts.
ack-ack
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Real funny! Xtube strikes again!:lol
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There are porn links on it. Just trying to be a good citizen.
It will pop up adverts depending on interest and shopping habits of the visitor. The cookie determined what you're interests were by your previous browsing history and displayed the adverts that would most interest you.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
That's what I call powned!!!
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Hey sonny, I didn't point the definition at you. :noid. so I really don't have to "try again"...but as "they" say, if the shoe fits, wear it". :) ViVa La F-3 in the "game". :rofl
OUT (for real this time)
Really? Let me see.... you answered to a question made by Tr1gg22 about my mental state.... so, logic tells us you did point the definition at me. Sorry, try again.
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No u got it wrong Gianlupo think u did not understand what i was sayin...THe DA has changed since the 8 player has been deleted...Before that the only people u seen in there were people wanting 1 on 1s or squad practice...U never seen that many folks in there before that as an average. My other point was that people have the right to fly however they want.. I dont Ho and try to avoid em at all costs.The newer folks do most of the time cause thats the closest they get to actually hittin somthin.My real point in that is people will fly however they choose.. I dont blame em even though it makes me :furious at times...
Then, I must agree with Xargos, you should take some time to better explain what you mean. As for the "let people fly as they want", the funny thing is that no one would stop them to fly the way they want, if F3 view and kill messages were disabled.
What you and other people, like that Crazyhorse, didn't and don't understand is that we love furballs. In fact, the MA little generals usually call us with the moniker "furballers". What we want is better furballs. Let me say it again: disabling F3 views and kill messages won't prevent you to fly the way you like. It will just force you to improve your flying and learn how to fight.
And, don't tell me that the numbers in DA will drop because of the lack of external views. If people really like what they're doing, they'll do the effort to learn to fly from inside the cockpit. The only way that should be allowed to fly in a combat flight simulator. If they can't stand the change, if they don't have what it takes, then I think even you guys won't lament for their loss, maybe we'll have fewer red icons around but way better furballs to fight.
Edited for typos.
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The DA is a great place to learn, after you have conquered the basics in the TA. Barbossa (2bighorn) killed me in the Ki84 about a hundred times last night, but he gave critiques for each one. And it helped alot. I feel like I learned more in that small clubbing session that I would in a month in the MA.
As for the furball area, I don't expect much from it. I just treat it like the MA donut, but dweebier at times. I accept the fact I won't get a 1 on 1 in it before I enter the arena, and only go to it to practice SA and club baby seals.
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Then, I must agree with Xargos, you should take some time to better explain what you mean. As for the "let people fly as they want", the funny thing is that no one would stop them to fly the way they want, if F3 view and kill messages were disabled.
What you and other people, like that Crazyhorse, didn't and don't understand is that we love furballs. In fact, the MA little generals usually call us with the moniker "furballers". What we want is better furballs. Let me say it again: disabling F3 views and kill messages won't prevent you to fly the way you like. It will just force you to improve your flying and learn how to fight.
And, don't tell me that the numbers in DA will drop because of the lack of external views. If people really like what they're doing, they'll do the effort to learn to fly from inside the cockpit. The only way that should be allowed to fly in a combat flight simulator. If they can't stand the change, if they don't have what it takes, then I think even you guys won't lament for their loss, maybe we'll have fewer red icons around but way better furballs to fight.
Edited for typos.
i dont no how they do it in f3 mode never agreed with that anyway. It is silly they allow it.. Im aware u like furballs..I like 1 on 1s myself :salute
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Crazyhorse can't fight 1:1. The furball is his crutch to provide shots at an opponent that'd otherwise rip him a new one 1:1. Is this exagerated smack talk? No: fight crazyhorse 1:1 and see for yourself.
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Gianlupo I would love a friendly 1 on 1 some time look me up sir :salute
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Really? Let me see.... you answered to a question made by Tr1gg22 about my mental state.... so, logic tells us you did point the definition at me. Sorry, try again.
Your "logic" is suspect. My answer was a definition provided TO Tr1gg22. I couldn't care less about your "mental state. Altho one thing does seem to be odd re: why on earth would someone that professes to be a "lawyer, and as such (supposedly educated to the "nth" degree) be wasting precious time on this thread. Perhaps you need to re assess your priorities...or not.
On another note, if I recall correctly, you were(still are) complaining about "ho's, pickers, b&z type GAME PLAYERS. :P Your contention is the GAME is really a "simulation"..I take that to mean a simulation of WWII combat aircraft and ACM. If the foregoing really is your meaning of this GAME, consider the following: You have absolutely NO ground to stand on when you complain about ""ho's, pickers, b&z type GAME PLAYERS. :P As those scenarios were the desired method of survival on both sides during the era...with perhaps the exception of HO's.
Or do you think the following occurred..to wit: during the European campaign (picture this) Capt. Joe Farquid calls Group cmdr. HAns Himmel, and the conversation goes something like this: Hey Hans, Joe here..there's going to be a raid over Hamburg tomorrow, at 13:00 zulu ..I'll be leading a flight of 30 P51's @ fl 20.
Joe continues: As per our previously agreed combat rules, ie, NO HO's, NO PICKING, NO B&Z,..Initial merge @ co-alt, GUNS COLD on initial merge, NO shooting anyone that calls "time-out", OR "bingo fuel, ammo, OR "potty break. Anyone that fails to follow the "rules of engagement" will suffer the wrath of the "Tooth Fairy! "Hans replys: No problem dood..se ya up there.
Now then, IF you are akin to the above scenario, please continue wasting your time complaining about the "quality of Players". I, on the other hand, once again, will reiterate my position on "f-3" mode...leave the arena settings alone, if ya don't like something about this GAME, vote with your feet OR your money. :D :devil :P
<..... Exit Stage Left
Dentin has wasted enough time with this thread and has left the building. :rofl
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Crazyhorse can't fight 1:1. The furball is his crutch to provide shots at an opponent that'd otherwise rip him a new one 1:1. Is this exagerated smack talk? No: fight crazyhorse 1:1 and see for yourself.
I know what you mean, the offline mission drones display more skill.
ack-ack
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whats the DA?
And can i buy some skillz there?
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whats the DA?
And can i buy some skillz there?
Cherry pick someone + talk smack on 200 about it = invitation to DA.
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Your "logic" is suspect. My answer was a definition provided TO Tr1gg22. I couldn't care less about your "mental state. Altho one thing does seem to be odd re: why on earth would someone that professes to be a "lawyer, and as such (supposedly educated to the "nth" degree) be wasting precious time on this thread. Perhaps you need to re assess your priorities...or not.
Tr1gg22 asked to me "What kind of little man syndrome u got anyways??". And you quoted that piece of text answering "Napoleon syndrome". How could this not be referred to me, given the context, and being a definition, is way beyond me. I think your logic is pretty flawed, and it shows.
As for "wasting time", taking about 10 minutes a day to answer to some thread, is not much of a waste. More than ever if you consider that my job has no rigid schedule, that's why is called a free profession (at least here). If you don't believe I'm a lawyer, I can't care less, I'll keep doing it and making money.
On another note, if I recall correctly, you were(still are) complaining about "ho's, pickers, b&z type GAME PLAYERS. :P Your contention is the GAME is really a "simulation"..I take that to mean a simulation of WWII combat aircraft and ACM. If the foregoing really is your meaning of this GAME, consider the following: You have absolutely NO ground to stand on when you complain about ""ho's, pickers, b&z type GAME PLAYERS. :P As those scenarios were the desired method of survival on both sides during the era...with perhaps the exception of HO's.
Or do you think the following occurred..to wit: during the European campaign (picture this) Capt. Joe Farquid calls Group cmdr. HAns Himmel, and the conversation goes something like this: Hey Hans, Joe here..there's going to be a raid over Hamburg tomorrow, at 13:00 zulu ..I'll be leading a flight of 30 P51's @ fl 20.
Joe continues: As per our previously agreed combat rules, ie, NO HO's, NO PICKING, NO B&Z,..Initial merge @ co-alt, GUNS COLD on initial merge, NO shooting anyone that calls "time-out", OR "bingo fuel, ammo, OR "potty break. Anyone that fails to follow the "rules of engagement" will suffer the wrath of the "Tooth Fairy! "Hans replys: No problem dood..se ya up there.
Now then, IF you are akin to the above scenario, please continue wasting your time complaining about the "quality of Players". I, on the other hand, once again, will reiterate my position on "f-3" mode...leave the arena settings alone, if ya don't like something about this GAME, vote with your feet OR your money. :D :devil :P
<..... Exit Stage Left
Dentin has wasted enough time with this thread and has left the building. :rofl
You don't recall correctly at all. Feel free to check every post I've made in this thread (or in the other one, if you like): I've always stick to my assumption that the F3 view should be disabled in DA, as well as kill messages. I never said anything about AH being a game, I've always stated that it is a flight simulator. And saying this doesn't mean that you have to simulate real life combat tactics, just that you should be flying your plane the same way a pilot does: from inside the cockpit.
Tr1gg22, if you see me in DA, just ask. Keep in mind, though, that my time zone is GMT +1, so, depending on where you live, it may be unlikely for us to meet.
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Tr1gg22 asked to me "What kind of little man syndrome u got anyways??". And you quoted that piece of text answering "Napoleon syndrome". How could this not be referred to me, given the context, and being a definition, is way beyond me. I think your logic is pretty flawed, and it shows.
As for "wasting time", taking about 10 minutes a day to answer to some thread, is not much of a waste. More than ever if you consider that my job has no rigid schedule, that's why is called a free profession (at least here). If you don't believe I'm a lawyer, I can't care less, I'll keep doing it and making money.
You don't recall correctly at all. Feel free to check every post I've made in this thread (or in the other one, if you like): I've always stick to my assumption that the F3 view should be disabled in DA, as well as kill messages. I never said anything about AH being a game, I've always stated that it is a flight simulator. And saying this doesn't mean that you have to simulate real life combat tactics, just that you should be flying your plane the same way a pilot does: from inside the cockpit.
Tr1gg22, if you see me in DA, just ask. Keep in mind, though, that my time zone is GMT +1, so, depending on where you live, it may be unlikely for us to meet.
Here is exactly what I said "It's called a "Napoleon complex"..just for your edification"..directed to Trigg22"..pretty obvious to me, Bunky
Enough of the "straw man" bull.. I know what your gripe is and it isn't about the "F-3" mode...can't argue with your "logic" ` cause it isn't. BTW, if ya want a TRUE flight Simulator look toward X-Plane.. THATS a FLIGHT SIMULATOR, Bunky. :mad:
Anyway, enough of this dribble..time to get back to Real Life :P
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Here is exactly what I said "It's called a "Napoleon complex"..just for your edification"..directed to Trigg22"..pretty obvious to me, Bunky
Enough of the "straw man" bull.. I know what your gripe is and it isn't about the "F-3" mode...can't argue with your "logic" ` cause it isn't. BTW, if ya want a TRUE flight Simulator look toward X-Plane.. THATS a FLIGHT SIMULATOR, Bunky. :mad:
Anyway, enough of this dribble..time to get back to Real Life :P
you keep saying that, yet you keep posting.
Anyway, believe what you want, even that "you know what my gripe is" or that you simply gave a definition. I think people with their heads on their shoulders can think for themselves and it's pretty clear to them all what you or I were saying.
Oh, btw, this is a flight simulator, too, in case you haven't noticed.