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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SirLoin on June 15, 2008, 09:10:39 PM
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CNN headline news that Obama is calling upon dead-beat Black fathers to live up to their parental obligations..On Fathers day?
Why is skin complexion an issue when it comes to non payment of child support?
I think this man's true "colours" are surfacing.
"Race" is a non-issue...Considering we all decended from the same small region of Africa,are we not all "brothers"?
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I think he said they were "MIA, AWOL, and not in their children's lives as much as they should be."
I wouldn't go along with saying Obama is racist, but I do find it interesting that a black man says this and it's "ok" yet a white man says it and he's "racist" and using stereotypes.
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generally speaking black people are incredibly racist. in fact they are overtly racist and have no problem with racism unless it is directed at them individually. when it is then they cry foul loudly. racism is a tool and we are slowly coming to the realization that it is a double edged sword.
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Obama is a racist. From my personal experience most black people are racists yet they feel it's ok since they are black.
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LOL when Bill Cosby said pretty much the exact same thing Obama said you guys called him a hero for speaking out.
Too funny. :aok
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LOL when Bill Cosby said pretty much the exact same thing Obama said you guys called him a hero for speaking out.
Too funny. :aok
My opinion has nothing to do with his Father's day comments. :aok
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LOL when Bill Cosby said pretty much the exact same thing Obama said you guys called him a hero for speaking out.
Too funny. :aok
Cosby certainly did not get the most negative feedback about his comments from white people I can assure you that.
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LOL when Bill Cosby said pretty much the exact same thing Obama said you guys called him a hero for speaking out.
Too funny. :aok
Completely different context..
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Its not only black men who dont properly care their children---child neglect knows no boundaries in terms of race or gender for that matter.
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LOL when Bill Cosby said pretty much the exact same thing Obama said you guys called him a hero for speaking out.
Too funny. :aok
They're grasping at straws.
Comes frm being desperate in a loosing cause.
LOL by the time November arrives your going to see enough sweat comming from the right to float an aircraft carrier
And em being critical of him on everything from what he says. To what brand aftershave he wears
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generally speaking black people are incredibly racist. in fact they are overtly racist and have no problem with racism unless it is directed at them individually. when it is then they cry foul loudly. racism is a tool and we are slowly coming to the realization that it is a double edged sword.
At my school black people call whites crackers. its more of a joking around thing to them. But when you give them nicknames and say your joking around youv got yourself in trouble.
And with that aside. Obama doesn't even respect the flag, he refused to put his hand over his heart let alone sing the national anthem, this was in a email that many Americans got, it told a story about a prisoner in Vietnam who despite being tortured, continued sowing the US flag on his uniform. then after the story it told about the obama US flag incident.
i don't know about you guys, but this guy=trouble
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Its not only black men who dont properly care their children---child neglect knows no boundaries in terms of race or gender for that matter.
Gotta agreee there. Shopuld be called "Deadbeat parents" Not just "deadbeat Dads".
Its been my experience that whomever doesnt have primary custody of the children is the one that neglects.
You just hear about it more with men.
Its also been my experience that when its the man who has primary custody. they tend to complain less that the mother isnt helping to suppot, or raise for that matter the kid/s
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LOL when Bill Cosby said pretty much the exact same thing Obama said you guys called him a hero for speaking out.
Too funny. :aok
Bill Cosby has been saying that for years---probably started when his son was murdered. Obama has NEVER gone there until now, that I've heard. As to previous comments,
if he IS a racist, he hides it much better than Sharpton , etal, but it can't be denied he surROUNDS himself with people for whom perceived white racism is their only fixation in life. Even Obama's wife did her Bachelors thesis on 'perceived racism' within the faculty at Princeton. If you can find anti-black racism in an Ivy league school faculty you qualify for a tin hat :huh
I read a bit of this, effing mind-boggling link (http://www.dontvoteobama.net/adobe/michelle%20Obama%20thesis%20part%201.pdf)
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I spent a lot of time with black people when I was growing up. The older generations were characterized by deep religious beliefs that emparted to them a quiet dignity. That, coupled with a willingness to fight injustice without recourse to violence lent the causes for which they struggled a nobility no found amongst those of baser passions. THey had nothing, and wanted a level playing field and equality of opportunity. Not handouts, but good jobs with equal pay.
Making a career in education for the last three decades, I've had the opportunity to work with two generations of black children. While the old ways can still be found, there have been some profound changes over that time. The old dignity isn't as prevalent as it was in the past. It's still there, but it is drowned out by the voices of a new ethos, characterized by drugs, violence, crudeness, sexual promiscuity, the basest and most socially destructive forms of music, contempt for intellectualism in all its forms, and contempt for all other ethnic groups. A new form of racism has also developed, which is seen as politically correct and is defended by many of our "intellectual elite."
A sea change....
As a lady friend said to me awhile back; "The Devil is after our kids." Many despair of being able to save the younger generations, to bring them back to the elder ethos. They would love to muzzle racial demagogues such as Farrakhan and Wright...just to end the negative influence those charlatans have over their children and grandchildren.
Perhaps I'm rambling. I know I don't have any solutions to offer...and blacks concerned about the problems just mention don't seem to be able to come to grips with them either. They need our help and sympathy; not elitist arguments that attempt to white-wash or make excuses for the violence, the drugs, and the new racism.
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Bill Cosby has been saying that for years---probably started when his son was murdered. Obama has NEVER gone there until now, that I've heard. As to previous comments,
if he IS a racist, he hides it much better than Sharpton , etal, but it can't be denied he surROUNDS himself with people for whom perceived white racism is their only fixation in life. Even Obama's wife did her Bachelors thesis on 'perceived racism' within the faculty at Princeton. If you can find anti-black racism in an Ivy league school faculty you qualify for a tin hat :huh
I read a bit of this, effing mind-boggling link (http://www.dontvoteobama.net/adobe/michelle%20Obama%20thesis%20part%201.pdf)
Did you read the link you posted? Because that is NOT what the paper is about at all.
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"earlier in my college career, there was no doubt in my mind that as a memner of the black community i was somehow obligated to this community and would utiliize all of my present and future resources to benefit this community first and foremost."
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I do believe that like most negros.. or people who claim that race.. osamabama is a racist... not because of the speech per se tho.
Cosby did the right thing.. I would say that made cosby a great example for negos and a great negro leader. osamabama, if he kept giving speeches like the one he just gave could be a fair to good negro leader.. That is not what I want in a POTUS.. I want one that is color blind. He is not color blind. Nor is cosby. Cosby wants to help his people who are.. in dire straits of their own making and really do need that kind of help. I salute him but... He is not a leader for everyone.
And that is the problem. I think osamabama can't get past race. I think he is in denial and even lying (as with the rev wright) about it at times. He sees everything through a distorted racist view point.. Not what I want for the POTUS.
I think that is why he is such a liberal socialist... some come at the liberal socialism thing from a personal guilt issue like the rich ones.... some come at it from being failures in life... some come at it from the angle of explaining why their group is doing so poorly. osamabama comes at it from the racist angle.. He sees racism everywhere. Those who feel victimized by racism that they feel is all around them and holding them or their people back invariably are or become racists themselves.
lazs
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You know socialism/marxism/communism has never worked in history? And that democracies and republics fail after more than 50% of the nation stops working? :aok
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bj....that's just the introduction to a thesis. Michelle was merely setting up the central theme. She's basically making the statement that bias may exist on the Princeton campus, and that bias may effect or change the attitudes of black students toward poor blacks. Variables of all types and empirical evidence would be discussed by the main body of the thesis.
On the other hand, mt, the question that popped into my mind as I read this was, "This is what passes for a thesis at Princeton?!" While the main body of the thesis was not presented, I think her attempts at finding empirical evidence to support her contentions would be problematic at best. In addition, I found her literary style to be plodding and pedantic.
Her concern seemed to be that blacks who attended Princeton might be changed by the bias inherent in the faculty and the student body. That change would manifest itself in an increased callousness toward lower-class blacks. At least that's my take on it. I found the entire premise to be flawed, if for no other reason than no student completes a four year stint in college without being changed in some way. Yet, why would I lose all interest in poor, lower-class whites? I have no way of proving it, but I doubt that most people would so readily turn their backs on those less fortunates within their own ethnic groups.
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Yikes.. didn't see 88's post..
If that is a quote from osambama then that is the one.. That is the rossetta stone for understanding the guy and the exact reason why he should never be in a position of power. That is the definitive reason that he should not be POTUS.
lazs
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No lazs that quote is from Mrs. Obama's college thesis.
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Yikes.. didn't see 88's post..
If that is a quote from osambama then that is the one.. That is the rossetta stone for understanding the guy and the exact reason why he should never be in a position of power. That is the definitive reason that he should not be POTUS.
lazs
lazs
that is a quote from the opening paragraphs of his wife's thesis at princeton. bj posted it earlier.
still reading it.
it's in PDF format so i am having to type out quotations and check them twice to make sure that i am copying them correctly.
not a fan of this woman so far.
it's first tone is one of instant separation.
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She goes on to write in the same section of the thesis "At this time, however, it is conceivable that my 4 years of exposure to a predominately white ivy league university has instilled within me certain conservative values."
I suggest you read it before passing judgement.
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thus i said, "so far"
relax man.
geesh.
i'm one of the few surviving people on this board willing to actually read the thing.
:D
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By the way, in college I was a raging conservative who campaigned for Anderson in 1980. None of us with any mileage can say we are the same as we were in our early 20's.
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anderson?!
wouldn't that have made you more of a "raging lunatic"
:rofl
sorry mt. couldn't resist that one.
heh.
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since osamabama says that his wife is his closest advisor and confidant.. I would think that anything she said.. especially as outrageous and racist as this.. would be fair game.
lazs
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since osamabama says that his wife is his closest advisor and confidant.. I would think that anything she said.. especially as outrageous and racist as this.. would be fair game.
lazs
here is the link lasz. hope you'll get a chance to read it.
http://www.dontvoteobama.net/adobe/michelle%20Obama%20thesis%20part%201.pdf (http://www.dontvoteobama.net/adobe/michelle%20Obama%20thesis%20part%201.pdf)
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Its not only black men who dont properly care their children---child neglect knows no boundaries in terms of race or gender for that matter.
they are, however the majority.
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The majority of what?
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The majority of what?
He means to say that black men comprise the majority of absentee/negligent fathers out there.
Not sure how true this is, given population ratios. They certainly make up more than their share... I know this from all the rap music I listen to, and the shows I watch on WB.
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He means to say that black men comprise the majority of absentee/negligent fathers out there.
Not sure how true this is, given population ratios. They certainly make up more than their share... I know this from all the rap music I listen to, and the shows I watch on WB.
thanks for that correction..i guess i should've made that more clear.
i (believe?) i know it from what i see around where i live. don't get me wrong, there's good and bad in any race/religion/gender, etc. but when you go out on road service calls, and see women with 3 and 4 kids, and there's never a father to be found, i think it kind of tells a story. or you see them in the stores.
i'm not racist, although i DO see a LOT of black people practicing this. they seem to think it's ok because they're black. hell, one of my black friends(we've drifted apart over the years) would change completley when any of his black friends showed up. suddenly i was the outcast. when it was just him and i, we were like brothers.
anyway.......gotta go work
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He means to say that black men comprise the majority of absentee/negligent fathers out there.
Not sure how true this is, given population ratios. They certainly make up more than their share... I know this from all the rap music I listen to, and the shows I watch on WB.
You could also know it's true from the ratio of women on welfare. Obama is not wrong or racist in this but I think he is pandering to the Mexican fearing, gun worshiping, religious wacko majority in this country.
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I told a group of black friends.... whom by the way I consider good friends ....that I was "proud to be white"........and they began to tell me how that was racist.
that still makes me laugh.
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Just another case of OsamaObama doing his best to CYOA......................... .........at every turn.
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here is the link lasz. hope you'll get a chance to read it.
http://www.dontvoteobama.net/adobe/michelle%20Obama%20thesis%20part%201.pdf (http://www.dontvoteobama.net/adobe/michelle%20Obama%20thesis%20part%201.pdf)
I read it JB88. That was Part 1 of the thesis. This does not seem to be the complete thesis. Does anyone have a link to the thesis in its entirety? What she is saying in this part linked is an introduction to what she intends to study and her theory on what might be expected to be found, but it ends there and doesn't continue towards any conclusions. She is studying alumni and there should be some references to personal research through contact with alumni and what they had to say. She would need to conduct a scientific poll amongst the alumni and reveal her results.
It should be kept in mind this thesis is undergraduate work. Perhaps it is a preliminary intro to a Master's thesis? I think a thesis would require some polling research along with statistics to be complete.
Can anyone shed some light about this? Does Mrs. Obama have a Master's degree? Is this Part 1 an introduction of intent to do master's work on the subject described, or is there more to the undergraduate thesis after Part 1? It does not seem complete and ends in a manner where further discussion is anticipated in Part 2.
Les
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I told a group of black friends.... whom by the way I consider good friends ....that I was "proud to be white"........and they began to tell me how that was racist.
that still makes me laugh.
This made me think of you.
http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/
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To get back on the original topic.....
Here is a link to snopes and the 4 pages they have on obama. There are references to muslin and patriotism in them.
http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=Obama+koran&getit=Go&sp-a=00062d45-sp00000000&sp-advanced=1&sp-p=all&sp-w-control=1&sp-w=alike&sp-date-range=-1&sp-x=any&sp-c=100&sp-m=1&sp-s=0
I didn't look at the item that spawned the original post here but anytime I get an e-mail or see something that has the same look of one of those chain mails I check snopes.
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This made me think of you.
http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/
you GO, girl !!
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CNN headline news that Obama is calling upon dead-beat Black fathers to live up to their parental obligations..On Fathers day?
Why is skin complexion an issue when it comes to non payment of child support?
I think this man's true "colours" are surfacing.
"Race" is a non-issue...Considering we all decended from the same small region of Africa,are we not all "brothers"?
72% of children in the black community are born illegitimate.
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you GO, girl !!
wow...
(http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/images/ireallydontknow.jpg)
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What a gargantuan waste of time, racism.
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FWIW I went back and did a general search on snopes just under the name "Obama" and this page is what popped up. There may be more but I'm disinclined to do more searching until something specific piques my interest.
http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=Obama&getit=Go&sp-a=00062d45-sp00000000&sp-advanced=1&sp-p=all&sp-w-control=1&sp-w=alike&sp-date-range=-1&sp-x=any&sp-c=100&sp-m=1&sp-s=0
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I want to get this right.
MT, saying your proud of your race..... makes you racist?
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Thank you Maverick. I read the entire thesis and to me it makes sense. I understand it to say, and I paraphrase:
Basically it says the Black respondents mostly felt comfortable with other Black people before and during the Princeton period. Her speculation was that after graduation the respondents primarily sought to get along well with Whites because most upwardly mobile job opportunities involved employment in White operated companies.
In my opinion this is pretty common sense stuff, that people of a particular race feel more comfortable with others of their own race. A college environment offered opportunities for intellectual assimilation/integration with Whites at Princeton, and during this time the respondents felt more comfortable around Whites. The results did show that Blacks at Princeton still preferred to be with other Blacks socially. This may be due in large part to cultural identification.
There is one area which I'm not sure I agree with when she says the Black race has suffered more injustice than any other race in the history of our country. This part was mentioned as one of the points of cohesiveness amongst Black people, in addition to other cultural aspects unique to Blacks. It is true there was much injustice with plenty to go around for other races as well imo.
However the thesis is competently written. I found one spelling error in Part 3. There is one term she uses which is probably more descriptive as applied to an individual's preference concerning race and race relations. The terms she uses are "separatist" and "integrationist." "Separatist/pluralist" is used to describe Black folks who prefer to be around other Black folks socially. More accurately it describes anyone who participates in advancing their own culture or heritage.
There are no moral judgments made in the thesis, but it seems the separatist point of view is validated on the side of reality, that being presented as the dire situation of the Black Lower class and the instance of respondents who had graduated from Princeton and were undecided if they had moved upwardly either socially or economically.
I read nothing controversial in this thesis. It sums up what any common sense understanding of human nature would know beforehand. However I agree that a presidential candidate needs to avoid any statements involving working to advance a particular race. The President has to have the interests of the American people foremost in mind.
Les
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I want to get this right.
MT, saying your proud of your race..... makes you racist?
No but go ahead and argue against yourself... you might win.
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it' not a black and white issue for me. it is a character issue.
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No but go ahead and argue against yourself... you might win.
I just wanted clarification, no need to get your pink frillies in a knot.
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I spent a lot of time with black people when I was growing up. The older generations were characterized by deep religious beliefs that emparted to them a quiet dignity. That, coupled with a willingness to fight injustice without recourse to violence lent the causes for which they struggled a nobility no found amongst those of baser passions. THey had nothing, and wanted a level playing field and equality of opportunity. Not handouts, but good jobs with equal pay.
Making a career in education for the last three decades, I've had the opportunity to work with two generations of black children. While the old ways can still be found, there have been some profound changes over that time. The old dignity isn't as prevalent as it was in the past. It's still there, but it is drowned out by the voices of a new ethos, characterized by drugs, violence, crudeness, sexual promiscuity, the basest and most socially destructive forms of music, contempt for intellectualism in all its forms, and contempt for all other ethnic groups. A new form of racism has also developed, which is seen as politically correct and is defended by many of our "intellectual elite."
A sea change....
As a lady friend said to me awhile back; "The Devil is after our kids." Many despair of being able to save the younger generations, to bring them back to the elder ethos. They would love to muzzle racial demagogues such as Farrakhan and Wright...just to end the negative influence those charlatans have over their children and grandchildren.
Perhaps I'm rambling. I know I don't have any solutions to offer...and blacks concerned about the problems just mention don't seem to be able to come to grips with them either. They need our help and sympathy; not elitist arguments that attempt to white-wash or make excuses for the violence, the drugs, and the new racism.
Wow, I am a teacher now for 11 years and I work in the ghettos of Memphis. This is exactly what I see on a daily basis. Many of the older black people I work with and around are disgusted by the way the kids dress and act. It is disheartening to them that Dr. King and others sacrificed so much for them to disrespect it so much.
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bj....that's just the introduction to a thesis. Michelle was merely setting up the central theme. She's basically making the statement that bias may exist on the Princeton campus, and that bias may effect or change the attitudes of black students toward poor blacks. Variables of all types and empirical evidence would be discussed by the main body of the thesis.
On the other hand, mt, the question that popped into my mind as I read this was, "This is what passes for a thesis at Princeton?!" While the main body of the thesis was not presented, I think her attempts at finding empirical evidence to support her contentions would be problematic at best. In addition, I found her literary style to be plodding and pedantic.
Her concern seemed to be that blacks who attended Princeton might be changed by the bias inherent in the faculty and the student body. That change would manifest itself in an increased callousness toward lower-class blacks. At least that's my take on it. I found the entire premise to be flawed, if for no other reason than no student completes a four year stint in college without being changed in some way. Yet, why would I lose all interest in poor, lower-class whites? I have no way of proving it, but I doubt that most people would so readily turn their backs on those less fortunates within their own ethnic groups.
That's my point---she was even fixated on racism as a young adult at one of the most liberal, white-guilt-ridden institutions in the country--if she finds racism there. where WONT she find it? "As a BLACK man, my Barack could get shot at a gas station" --she neglects to mention the shooter would statistically be another black man (That pdf was like part 1 of 4, tedious to read)
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You ladies gotta be chitting me.
Your moaning and groaning about something someone wrote what?
Probably 20 years ago?
Like I said "grasping at straws.
Same crap the left tried pulling with Bush the right is now doing
And from the snippets I've seen that are supposed to be oh so contraversial.
Nne of what I have read seems an unreasonable speculation or for that matter conclusion.
Try being one of two whites in a classroom of 20 blacks
Or being the lone longhair in a room full of straights
Or the only one or two of anything in a place filled with something else.
You too might feel oppressed or feel the need to seek out and band together with those of your own kind.
I promise you that you too will feel like you dont belong.
And we're still talking 20+ years go here.
I dont know of anyone who still holds all the same views as they did 20 years ago. I know I sure as hell dont.
And alot has changed in the last 20 years.
20 years ago I wouldnt be able to have a conversation about race relations with a black man without it degrading into a screaming match complete with racial slurs being uttered from both sides or fist fight in relitively short order.
Seeing black and white kids hanging out together was still pretty rare 20 years ago.
Around here now its common.
Same thing with interracial couples.
It was alot less accepted 20 years ago then it is today.
20 years is a long time to hold someones words or actions against them
Im not an Obama supporter.
Actually Im not an anyone supporter
I see our choices being between a white turd. or a half black turd.
Both turds stink.
In the end all any of us are going to get is the proverbial watermelon sandwich regardless of who gets elected
But I find this going back in time grasp straws attempt just as pathetic as I did with Bush and coke.
and Clinton and smoking pot.
A True sign of desperation.
Throw up a bunch of mud and see what sticks.
I dont give a damn what someone did 20 years ago.
I'd be more concerned in how they have progressed since then
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That's my point---she was even fixated on racism as a young adult at one of the most liberal, white-guilt-ridden institutions in the country--if she finds racism there. where WONT she find it? "As a BLACK man, my Barack could get shot at a gas station" --she neglects to mention the shooter would statistically be another black man (That pdf was like part 1 of 4, tedious to read)
Been to Princeton lately?
Its about a 10 minute ride from my house
Take a ride past there during the school year and you will see it is still predominantly made up of white upper uppper class (no typo on the double upper)
Take a ride around town and you will see two types of Princtonians. Upper white class and lower class blacks.
Yes Princton has its own little slum area
Heading south on Nassau St, Hang a right on Moore St a couple blocks
Away from the fancy well maintained 2-300 year old buildings you will see some of the most run down houses you can find anywhere.
One thing I can say about native Princtonians is no matter the race. I have never in my life seen a people so "into" their town. As they are in Princeton.
Weird like a twilight zone movie weird
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CNN headline news that Obama is calling upon dead-beat Black fathers to live up to their parental obligations..On Fathers day?
Why is skin complexion an issue when it comes to non payment of child support?
I think this man's true "colours" are surfacing.
"Race" is a non-issue...Considering we all decended from the same small region of Africa,are we not all "brothers"?
Jesse Peterson of BOND (link : http://www.bondinfo.org/) has been saying this for years. So Obama regurgitates Peterson and he's prophetic? He's a 2 bit Chicago politician. And the mainstream media are a crew of hypocritical, racist fools, who have ignored Jesse Peterson and promoted the divisiveness of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. When Peterson's message is given by a white looking black man, then they pay attention. They're racist fools.
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Been to Princeton lately?
Its about a 10 minute ride from my house
Take a ride past there during the school year and you will see it is still predominantly made up of white upper uppper class (no typo on the double upper)
Take a ride around town and you will see two types of Princtonians. Upper white class and lower class blacks.
Yes Princton has its own little slum area
Heading south on Nassau St, Hang a right on Moore St a couple blocks
Away from the fancy well maintained 2-300 year old buildings you will see some of the most run down houses you can find anywhere.
One thing I can say about native Princtonians is no matter the race. I have never in my life seen a people so "into" their town. As they are in Princeton.
Weird like a twilight zone movie weird
Have no clue or care about the town, I'm referring to the afore-mentioned limousine liberal school--as for 20 years ago, by all accounts, she is as fixated on our 'unfair' society now as she was then, as most of Barack's closest people seem to be. (In fairness, he doesn't bring the matter up himself, that I've ever seen)
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Been to Princeton lately?
Its about a 10 minute ride from my house
Take a ride past there during the school year and you will see it is still predominantly made up of white upper uppper class (no typo on the double upper)
Take a ride around town and you will see two types of Princtonians. Upper white class and lower class blacks.
Yes Princton has its own little slum area
Heading south on Nassau St, Hang a right on Moore St a couple blocks
Away from the fancy well maintained 2-300 year old buildings you will see some of the most run down houses you can find anywhere.
One thing I can say about native Princtonians is no matter the race. I have never in my life seen a people so "into" their town. As they are in Princeton.
Weird like a twilight zone movie weird
i've flown over princeton.....i'll be happy with that...no need for me to go there. :aok
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skyrock said..
"Wow, I am a teacher now for 11 years and I work in the ghettos of Memphis. This is exactly what I see on a daily basis. Many of the older black people I work with and around are disgusted by the way the kids dress and act. It is disheartening to them that Dr. King and others sacrificed so much for them to disrespect it so much"
Wow.. skyrock made an observation and actually came to the right conclusion based on it.... I didn't think this was possible.
lazs
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"Have you forgotten, that once we were brought here, we were robbed of our name, robbed of our language, we lost our religion, our culture, our gods... and many of us by the way we act, we even lost our mind." -MLK
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dred.. I have indeed been the minority.. and a hated and feared one at that.. in my life.. they didn't call us 1% ers for nothing.
Even then.. I came to the correct conclusion tho.. all of the hate.. or the vast majority of it.. and all the trouble.. was of my own making.
pretty simple stuff.
lazs
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So the young folks are rebelling against the beliefs of the older generation? Isn't that what got us rock and roll. That music is too loud!!! When I was your age I would get up an hour before I went to bed to go to work. You guys sound like a bunch of old women. Surprising the excuse racists use to justify there beliefs.
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So the young folks are rebelling against the beliefs of the older generation? Isn't that what got us rock and roll. That music is too loud!!! When I was your age I would get up an hour before I went to bed to go to work. You guys sound like a bunch of old women. Surprising the excuse racists use to justify there beliefs.
no, they're not rebeling, but rather they're simply disrespecting them. there's a difference. these people just don't care. go to any neighborhood that they live in, and look at what they do to the very areas they live in. they destroy it. then they blame everyone else for their problems. did you or anyone you know go around constantly breaking windows, garffitying everything in sight? selling drugs and weapons on the street corner just up from your house?
then when a state trooper shoots one of these kids because he shot at the cop, then ran, you get the parents screaming """oooooo my bily!!! he never did nuthin wrong!!!! why the cop shoot mah booyy???""" and why? because billy was selling crack, got caught, and rather than do the smart thing, he tries to kill a cop.
somehow, i don't think the "rebels" of 20 years ago did these sorts of things.
and to answer the original question, yes he is, along with his wife.
sorry 'bout the rant.
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So the young folks are rebelling against the beliefs of the older generation? Isn't that what got us rock and roll. That music is too loud!!! When I was your age I would get up an hour before I went to bed to go to work. You guys sound like a bunch of old women. Surprising the excuse racists use to justify there beliefs.
Context..
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moot...
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Mo...you haven't got a clue.
The counterculture movement of the 60's was, for the most part, nonviolent. It bears no comparison whatsoever to the cultural tide currently sweeping over the black youth of this country.
The older generation of blacks fought for their rights in much the same manner as did the Indians under Gandhi's leadership in the late 1940's; with nonviolence, dignity, courage, and nobility. None of those terms can be applied to the gangsta counterculture.
Many of that thuggish crowd don't even come from the ranks of the poor; they are the children of middle-class blacks. They have embraced this culture of violence for one simple reason; hate is intoxicating and empowering. They get off on frightening whites and older blacks and asiatics and other, different, ethnic groups. They are blatantly racist, homophobic, sexist, violent, and drug-addicted. They would laugh at the old homily "There is no holier water than a working man's sweat." That is, if they even understand it.
By so blatantly embracing evil, in all its forms, they have abandoned their humanity. Their movement has no redeeming social value whatsoever. Those that are deeply rooted in this movement are almost irredeemable; a lost generation.
And yet, there are still those that profess to "understand" where they're coming from....and make excuses for them.
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Black Panthers where pretty non violent, as where the Hells angels. Things have changed, you've just gotten older and haven't kept up with the times, also buying into a bunch of over hyped media junk. Race is not an issue today as it was 10 years ago, only the older generation are holding onto the hate. It is also a testament to our failing educational system.
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Youngster, the Black Panthers and the Hell's Angels were fringe groups, with nowhere near the number of members to be found in the Crips, Bloods, and a host of other gangs. And if you don't think race is still an issue today, then take a midnight stroll through one of their neighborhoods.
Age has little to do with it. Most of the gang-bangers are in their teens and early twenties. Education has little to do with it. Many people who lived during the Great Depression were poor and illiterate, yet they didn't turn to violence. Many of the most violent and despicable of the Nazi leaders captured at the end of WW II were given an IQ test, to see how they stacked up against their contemporaries. As a group, they tested well above average.
I work in a prison unit for junvenile offenders. Thus, I deal with gang-bangers every day. When they're by themselves, they're easier to deal with....but the racism, contempt for women, and the undercurrent of violence and the willingness to use it to intimidate, are always there. It only takes two or three of them to destabilize an entire dorm. Some of the little buggers have planned murders while under our care. They've killed 75 year old grandfathers and 7 year old girls. One beat a local black lady to death in a most gruesome fashion.
So, don't make excuses for them...and don't get all righteous about them when discussing them with me. I KNOW what they are....violent, thrill-seeking, woman abusing, racist thugs.
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"Have you forgotten, that once we were brought here, we were robbed of our name, robbed of our language, we lost our religion, our culture, our gods... and many of us by the way we act, we even lost our mind." -MLK
All were offered a free ride back to their homeland, heck, even a country was created for them. Few took it. Little room to complain about being robbed after refusing restitution. Long past time to put the past in the past. Many black people have proven that our society today isn't so oppressive that they cannot succeed who are willing to work hard. Success without hard work, if even possible, is empty and unsatisfying.
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moot...
It isn't. You're excusing a context-specific pattern by removing the context and pointing out that, as such, it's a common and not inherently condemnable pattern. Of course it isn't - you removed the context that made it so.
It doesn't matter if they're rebelling, and/or against the older generation, and/or against its beliefs. Rock & roll was music, it was art, and art isn't arguable. Arguing taste is absurd. Arguing ethics isn't, because unlike the (by principle) nebulous grounds of taste, ethics have definite premises and conclusions that appeal to reason, which is anything but relative.
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It's like 1950 Selma Alabama in here.
Moot, criminals are criminals, no matter what race. To lump an entire race into a stereotypical behavior is wrong. I do like the word nebulous, that's defiantly a +3 on your scorecard.
defiantly = definitely , thank you moot for pointing out my mistake.
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Is Obama a racist?
He's half white, of course he's racist!
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Moot, criminals are criminals, no matter what race. To lump an entire race into a stereotypical behavior is wrong. I do like the word nebulous, that's defiantly a +3 on your scorecard.
That's your excuse for relativizing? Who lumped an entire race like that, and how does it warrant your relativizating it?
Don't you mean "definitely"? Does that lower your scorecard, or mine? Where do I cash in my score, and do I get my score adjusted for my vocabulary fishing from more than the american vocabulary pool you seem to be restricted to?? Yikes! I didn't know there was grammatical score-keeping in here, guess I'm not up to date on the latest young & hip trends :eek:
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You are very much out of date. You get negative points for being a grammar nazi. Just when I was thinking you where smart and witty you had to go and trivialize yourself. I believe it was Shuckins that said, "So, don't make excuses for them...and don't get all righteous about them when discussing them with me. I KNOW what they are....violent, thrill-seeking, woman abusing, racist thugs." You do get extra points for latin. American vocabulary pool, that's a hoot.
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The start of the thread I'm refering to is tied to MLK's work being in vain. That's what's not excusable by merely "being hip & trendy".
The semantics fuss - You get into a fit because I use one word that fits the bill exactly, but doesn't ring a bell in your head, and I'm the grammar nazi.. Someone's anal and it isn't me.
"American vocabulary pool" is exactly the sort of excessively compounded sentences you get when you dodge words that reduce multiple ideas into one word only because they're "fancy" or somehow foreign; you confirmed my point.
defiantly = definitely , thank you moot for pointing out my mistake.
Who gives a crap, that's a rhetorical question. I knew what you meant.
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I think Obama being this close to the office of President is a testament to MLK and proves beyond a doubt that his words and actions where not in vain. I guess I should have said spelling nazi instead of grammar, sorry about that.
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mojava.. you have the best knack for ignoring the elephant in the room of any person I have seen in recent memory.
Even when someone slams your head into it you make excuses for why it it really not there. To compare rock and roll rebellion with the current "black culture" is laughable and sad at the same time.
lazs
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That's why I'm laughing while I'm crying.
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The current black culture? Stereotype much there Laz? I think you can draw several similarities between the greaser rock and roll culture of the 1950s, and the current gangster rap culture of today. Both where rebellious, both make old people angry, both where over hyped by the media.
I realize that some black people are thugs, some white people are thugs, does that make them all? No and to assume so would be ignorant.
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did greasers murder for the sheer fun of it? did greasers go around in gangs and beat the crap outta people because they "could"? did greasers write violent music? did greasers really eff up their own neighborhoods? did greasers do anything really as bad as todays gangstas? :furious :furious did greasers kill a cop that walked into the dunkin donuts as they were robbing it?
it's not the whole race, we all know that. it is a large part of the younger generation of them though. unfortunatly it's only going to get worse, as they are a result of their parents, and their kids will be a result of them. someone mentioned a couple pages back about Dr King having wasted all his time and effort....he tried to make things better, and now there's an element out there doing their damndest to undo all this great man did for them.......that poor guy is probably rolling over in his grave with the state of things today. if all they did was piss us old(i'm onhly 46 BTW) folk off, then we'd be in much better shape.
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Like any other race on this planet, most black people are good, honest, imperfect but benevolent people. However, Black Rhetoric, (which is uncomfortably close to defense lawyer, beyond a reasonable doubt rhetoric) which permeates the mainstream media, is without a doubt, thuggish, erring on the side of thugs and malevolence . If you don't like like that, stop blogging sympathy for thugs.
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majava.. you could draw such "similarities" between rock and roll culture and the current gang and self destructive "black culture" but you would just look like an idiot doing so.
lazs
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I guess we know he doesn't like Muslims. http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i9Fn1iXzTXuYdO20X-RHRhhcPMUwD91CL8UO0
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yep... look how he is bringing us all together!
I can't imagine a candidate who would do more to widen the rift between blue and red states than osambama.
lazs
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In my job, I deal with the hyper-rich Princetonian types all the time.
In my experience, they don't so much look down on poorer types, they
just treat them like furniture.
The kids on the other hand seem white/black..either extremely well
behaved or some of the biggest snob scumbags going.
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So.........who is the new shades? :lol
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There is so much I'd like to say but won't.
Some folks who claim to be open minded turn out to be just as bad as those who profess they are not. Sad.
This can't end well. :confused:
ROX
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There is so much I'd like to say but won't.
Some folks who claim to be open minded turn out to be just as bad as those who profess they are not. Sad.
This can't end well. :confused:
ROX
Yea I've pretty much had it with "liberal" fascists myself, but unlike you I will call them on it at every opportunity. If my destiny is to be imprisoned or murdered, so be it. But I wont' be silent. I am too old to be kicked around because I'm a white American.
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Yea I've pretty much had it with "liberal" fascists myself, but unlike you I will call them on it at every opportunity. If my destiny is to be imprisoned or murdered, so be it. But I wont' be silent. I am too old to be kicked around because I'm a white American.
And you go, boy- Up The Man. I'd be there with you but I'm too busy making T-Shirts to sell to you political activists. At 19.99 each.
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And you go, boy- Up The Man. I'd be there with you but I'm too busy making T-Shirts to sell to you political activists. At 19.99 each.
Get a private 401k. Them $20 will be a fond memory when you hit 50.
How many silk screen millionaires you know?
BTW- I'm a sheetrock activist :)
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BTW- I'm a sheetrock activist :)
Screw or nail? :)
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Screw or nail? :)
Screw! Nails can give you problems on adjoining walls (like popping out those nails):)