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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: gunnss on June 27, 2008, 07:23:15 PM
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OK a new list,
What conspiracy theory's have you personally run in to?
For example while waiting on a train platform a man solemnly showed me the contails in the sky and said the Government was spraying mindcontrol chemicals on us.... (I work for the FAA and the man was pointing at the DFW - LAX flight path.)
I may have an unfair advantage, one of my co workers is a true believing conspiracy believer.
The rest of my list,
The UN slave train
The government blew the twin towers
The corporations are putting mind control chemicals in the milk, food, etc.
The secret masters of the world are attempting to starve the "Third World" so they can colonize the empty country's.
Two Weeks.
Rember you need to have been told this personally, person to person. (Grin)
:noid :noid :noid,
Kevin
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Someone is drinking my beer when i ain't lookin!
My cat surf's the web while i'm asleep and goes to the adult sites! How else could some of these links get on here?
My neighbor is a foreign spy! I can tell because he drinks a foreign beer!
My mother in-law is bigfoot. :lol
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All the scientists in the Creationist community are telling the truth and allthe scientists in teh evelutionary community are collectively lying
We've overthrown governments in South America so that Burger King can buy cheap beef
Not surprisingly enough by the same person
My Jehovas Winess uncle LOL
I love the guy but sometimes he's out there.
where I have no idea...just out there
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I used to think people were out to get me, and then I died.
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I was born on a grassy knoll behind the Fords Theater with a broken leg next to the Hollywood set of the Moon Landing.
I'm Abby..... Abby Normal
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'East of the Rockies you're on the air'
'Hello Art?'
'Yes caller?'
*strangely different voice
'This is Satan calling with an important message for you'
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:rofl
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FDR was behind Perl Harbor.
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All Fw-190s TnB all the time... :noid
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I do believe that I've never, ever, ever met any true conspiracy theorists. I must have led, up until now, a sheltered life.
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i guess i am a conspiracy theorist, because i do believe the towers where done by the "government"
i do believe we are in the "end of days"
and satan is the "god" of this world.
i wont say FDR was behind pearl harbor, but there is allot of people who believe we had full warning of the attack, and allowed it to happen, seeings how i was not alive at the time i cant say truly one way or the other,
BUT i was alive for the towers, i watched them fall in there own "footprint" i watched building #7 fall the same way, and then watched the owner of the towers say on national T.V. that he had building #7 "pulled" due to fire damage. he admitted it!
call me crazy what ever ive been called much worse, always behind my back though, or through steel doors.
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i guess i am a conspiracy theorist, because i do believe the towers where done by the "government"
I work for the government. We're not that smart.
Oh... and if we were, Dylan Avery would be a dead man.
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I've heard the usual conspiracy theories, but there is one which possibly could merit serious discussion at least to disprove it. The theory that microwave ovens change or mutate food which could be harmful when ingested. I always thought microwaves were nothing more than radio waves, and they cook by molecular friction. Some folks are claiming this somehow "changes" the molecular or atomic structure of food to where it may be carcinogenic. Is there anything to this? Or is it as I think it to be BS? If it's BS, then why? Is it possible for microwaves to alter the molecular structure of food to where it's toxic?
Les
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I work for the government. We're not that smart.
Oh... and if we were, Dylan Avery would be a dead man.
i dont doubt that you work for the "government", but i have a feeling your not in there "click", whens the last time you had dinner or played tennis with the bushes?
explain to me how a 140(give or take) foot wingspan of the plane that supposedly hit the pentagon, leaves only a 20 some odd foot hole, that went through what, 5 different wall barriers, yet the largest piece of the wreckage could be picked up in your hands, please, you dont give these people enough credit. saying they are not "smart" enough to pull something like this off.
i totally under stand why so many people don't want to believe this, but its not the first time in Americas history that the Government has lied to us, and im sure it wont be the last!
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OK gunnss, lemme know when ya need the net :)
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My wife worked (at Rex Hospital in Raleigh) with one of the nurses who administered to JFK at Parkland Hospital just after his assination.
I have no idea what was told to them back then, but when asked (even in private) about the event she would say absolutely nothing.
And that was almost 30 years after the fact.
ROX
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i dont doubt that you work for the "government", but i have a feeling your not in there "click", whens the last time you had dinner or played tennis with the bushes?
explain to me how a 140(give or take) foot wingspan of the plane that supposedly hit the pentagon, leaves only a 20 some odd foot hole, that went through what, 5 different wall barriers, yet the largest piece of the wreckage could be picked up in your hands, please, you dont give these people enough credit. saying they are not "smart" enough to pull something like this off.
i totally under stand why so many people don't want to believe this, but its not the first time in Americas history that the Government has lied to us, and im sure it wont be the last!
Aluminum burns. This just in.
Oh... and what you're describing is not a lie. It would be an absolutely massive conspiracy. One that requires the participants to allow if not cause the deaths of some 4,000 of their own countrymen. Is that the country you live in? Really?
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Aluminum burns. This just in.
Oh... and what you're describing is not a lie. It would be an absolutely massive conspiracy. One that requires the participants to allow if not cause the deaths of some 4,000 of their own countrymen. Is that the country you live in? Really?
Aluminum burns? how many planes crash, and the entire plane burns up?
ya its disgusting.
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Aluminum burns? how many planes crash, and the entire plane burns up?
The entire plane didn't burn up.
Pictures: http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm
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The entire plane didn't burn up.
Pictures: http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm
That's obviously a website with photoshopped pics supported by the government, you pig. </sarcasm>
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This one is even better:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1
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obviously something hit the pentagon that day, i checked out the sites you sent most of it was the same photos, i just did a search "photos of pentagon hit 9/11"
funny thing, i saw same pictures used to "prove" a plane hit,and to "disprove" a plane hit. :lol
that is to funny.
no matter what people will believe what they want to believe. even when the proof is staring them in the face, now i never disputed a plane hit the pentagon, what i dispute is who was behind the attacks.
i don't know what hit the pentagon i wasn't there.
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i don't know what hit the pentagon i wasn't there.
I was a mile away.
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Planes aren't invincible (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7eI4vvlupY)
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I was a mile away.
and your point is?
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Ink... I don't think you are crazy.
I think you are prone to fads.. aggressive and overly sensitive and.. not real bright. These symptoms often mimic being crazy so far as the rest of us are concerned.
I think most good conspiracy theories work because they target those areas in people. They also work on people who are genuinely crazy in the conventional way.. those who can't cope with life for whatever reason.. those who are bitter or paranoid.
lazs
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If you read the text that accompanied those photos, you will notice that the wings made contact with other objects on the ground, and were sheared off before the fuselage made contact with the Pentagon. Consequently, there are pieces of the engines and wings scattered over a wide area leading to the point where the fuselage impacted.
Those pics were taken while the building and wreckage still burned.
Tweren't no missile, Magee.
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and your point is?
This was not the first time I smelled burning jet fuel.
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Planes aren't invincible (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7eI4vvlupY)
Exactly. They're just aluminum tubes filled with fuel.
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"It was only the most flawlessly executed plan ever, ever."
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i dont doubt that you work for the "government", but i have a feeling your not in there "click", whens the last time you had dinner or played tennis with the bushes?
explain to me how a 140(give or take) foot wingspan of the plane that supposedly hit the pentagon, leaves only a 20 some odd foot hole, that went through what, 5 different wall barriers, yet the largest piece of the wreckage could be picked up in your hands, please, you dont give these people enough credit. saying they are not "smart" enough to pull something like this off.
i totally under stand why so many people don't want to believe this, but its not the first time in Americas history that the Government has lied to us, and im sure it wont be the last!
what if i told you that i was in that deep,"in the click" way back when i was younger and still in service too those who shall not be named,, would you believe me, if i told you it wasn't a conspiracy? or would you only believe me if i said it was all true?
i,ll give you a frame of reference! pearl harbor would have been ten times worse in the casualty rate, if we had known and tried to act to stop the attack! so even if we did know,, was it the right thing to let it happen? or would it have been better to get ten times the sailors killed and risk the C.V.'s as well?
the jap. planes would have taken more damage and losses but Nagumo would have felt that he engaged all the U.S. fleet and surely launched more raids to finish off the U.S. fleet including C.V.'s and giving the crippling blow they had hoped for!
the things we know about 9-11 are that 4 planes crashed that day,, we saw one of them hit on live tv, we saw tape of the first one hitting after the fact, people on the ground at the Pentagon saw a third plane, as well as those who saw the one that went down in the farm Field,,, all within a very short period of time, in exact correspondence with the hijackers,, including the families who lost loved ones in the planes and on the ground, and they were rescuing people after the fact, including the rescuers!!! so for this conspiracy to work you will need about 2 million people in it!and about ten million to police it, or the largest gov.secret society that never existed!!including the media that hates this GOV.so much it would lie just to watch it fail! surely a police force this big would not let those in the media continue to exist,, or you and me for that matter! :huh :noid :noid :noid
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If 9/11 was a government conspiracy, it would be so big that too many people would have been involved too have not said something to someone by now. But, maybe the people that planned it, just killed them all. <heavy sarcasm>
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Aluminum burns? how many planes crash, and the entire plane burns up?
ya its disgusting.
Yes aluminum just like everything else will burn.
If you ever want to see an example.
The next campfire your at.
stick an empty beer can in the fire. then look for it the next day.
There wont be much left.
To date. the strongest evidence for government involvment of the terror attacks is that it happened on "9/11" or "911" If your calling for an emergancy.
Then the arguement would be that the use of the date 9/11 is just a little too hoaky and hollywood for Muslim terrorists.
I dont think the Government did it.
But thats the strongest arguement I can find that it did..
As for how the Towers came down in their own footprint.
One must keep in mind thats how they were built to begin with. There was no other way they could collapse unless they were destroyed intentionally.
The weakness of the buildings were their enteriors.
while the exterior skeleton of the buildings were of Steel Ibeams the interiors were of a much thinner trusses held in place by 2-5/8" bolts with the whole kit N kaboodle covered in fire retardant. Typically a type of foam sprayed on
The exterior Ibeams withstood the impact just as they were designed to..
What didnt hold up was the fireproofing on the trusses which were never designed to withstand an impact of an aircraft.
Hell I've seen this type of fireproofing. It wouldnt stand up to the impact of a 5 year old weiding a toy wooden hammer let alone an aircraft. But then again. its designed to withstand fire. Not a 5 year old with a toy wooden hammer.
Once these center trusses heated up. They became soft and mallable as metal is prone to do when exposed to fire for any length of time.
Eventually they became too weak to support the load above them and they gave out.They collapsed upon themselves into the center where all the weight was in theor own footprint because the exterior walls were still the strongest part of the building.
and there was no wight pulling them outward
Thus they were the last to fail under the load. And when they did. they fell inwards the way they were being pulled. where the weight was.
There was no othe way for the towers to fall except into their own footprint.
the ony way for the towers to fall outside of their own footprint is if it were blown up intentionally to fall that way.
this site explains it better then I.
http://www.debunking911.com/firsttime.htm
But look at the film imbeded in the site at 0:37 of the clip to see the types of trusses, and the flimsy foam type fire proofing that covers them.
Compared to I Beams which supported the outside framework. its not hard to figure out which would fail first
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I have a friend who was with the PA ANG. He told me about an F-16 returning to base sans one
sidewinder after flight 93 went down.
Do I believe him?
He's not the type to lie about something like this, but then again, a lot of normally intelligent people are
getting all caught up in these theories. So until someone can provide absolute proof of an action taking
place I'm reserving judgment.
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Ink... I don't think you are crazy.
I think you are prone to fads.. aggressive and overly sensitive and.. not real bright. These symptoms often mimic being crazy so far as the rest of us are concerned.
I think most good conspiracy theories work because they target those areas in people. They also work on people who are genuinely crazy in the conventional way.. those who can't cope with life for whatever reason.. those who are bitter or paranoid.
lazs
sorry Laz, but to say im prone to fads, LOL that is very untrue, as the towers went down i looked over to my wife, and said "i can not believe our Government just killed all those people."
for some reason im sure i don't have to explain what a fad is to you, i don't follow other people,(if this was the case id be right there arguing for government)
i follow Yahaveh. i dont care what people think or say to me, there are only two ( three including my wife) that i care how "they" think of me.
i am going to quote something maybee it will enlighten some of you, but than again if you have a stupor put over you, but i still must try.
Revelation 13: 11-18
than i saw another beast coming up out of the earth,and he had two horns like a lamb, but speaks like a dragon.
12: And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth, and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13: He preforms great signs,so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
14: And he deceives those who dwell on the earth, by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword, but yet lived.
15: He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.
16: He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on there right hand or on there foreheads.
17: and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18: Here is wisdom, let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, his number is 666.
for those of you still reading this, in a earlier vision he sees a beast come out of the sea, and an angel likens the sea to peoples,established "government" so i would venture a educated guess "coming out of the EARTH" is the opposite, well we AMERICA came up out of the EARTH,
who dropped the first atom bomb? "bring fire down from heaven" direct correlation.
the T.V. and computer are both images that "speak". both come from AMERICA
not yet but soon the whole earth will need "credit cards" to buy any thing. (and at the rate the American dollar is dropping its not that far off in our future)
and now for the kicker, the number 666, in Hebrew is VVV, but translated to English it is WWW.
even if you all think im crazy, whatever, i must try, thats all i can do. that is my job, i will do my job until my last dying breath, that you and those that read or hear what Yahaveh says will open there eyes, to see the truth.
Paul
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:lol
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:lol
like i said, if you have a stupor you will never see the truth.
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I'll see if I can find it, but I once saw a study that showed the people who were prone to conspiracy theories all had lower than normal levels of a certain neurotransmitter in their brains. It may have been serotonin.
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Well Aquashrimp, they're definitely missing SOMETHING...
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Hi all,
I have a new one to add to my list.
Yesterday, one of the security force here solemnly said the the single gunman theory (JFK) was nonsense.
Rember this is for stuff we have run in to personally.
Regards,
Kevin
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OK a new list,
What conspiracy theory's have you personally run in to?
For example while waiting on a train platform a man solemnly showed me the contails in the sky and said the Government was spraying mindcontrol chemicals on us.... (I work for the FAA and the man was pointing at the DFW - LAX flight path.)
I may have an unfair advantage, one of my co workers is a true believing conspiracy believer.
The rest of my list,
The UN slave train
The government blew the twin towers
The corporations are putting mind control chemicals in the milk, food, etc.
The secret masters of the world are attempting to starve the "Third World" so they can colonize the empty country's.
Two Weeks.
Rember you need to have been told this personally, person to person. (Grin)
:noid :noid :noid,
Kevin
My opinion:
1. Laughable
2. No
3. Can't be ruled out, it is a possibility. If you read some history, worse things has happened throughout the history of mankind.
4. Another laughable theory
5. No, not really.
6. True conspiracy, excellent example of a evil conspiracy to dominate the world! :D
:noid
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Yesterday, one of the security force here solemnly said the the single gunman theory (JFK) was nonsense.
Just saw a show on Discovery about that very subject. The one gunman theory seems plausible enough.
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Ink you missed the Mothership behind the Comet...
Maybe next time around.
:noid
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Ink you missed the Mothership behind the Comet...
Maybe next time around.
:noid
aaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwmac
that was kinda funny, but i don't believe in aliens, LOL
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sorry Laz, but to say im prone to fads, LOL that is very untrue, as the towers went down i looked over to my wife, and said "i can not believe our Government just killed all those people."
for some reason im sure i don't have to explain what a fad is to you, i don't follow other people,(if this was the case id be right there arguing for government)
i follow Yahaveh. i dont care what people think or say to me, there are only two ( three including my wife) that i care how "they" think of me.
i am going to quote something maybee it will enlighten some of you, but than again if you have a stupor put over you, but i still must try.
Revelation 13: 11-18
than i saw another beast coming up out of the earth,and he had two horns like a lamb, but speaks like a dragon.
12: And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth, and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13: He preforms great signs,so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.
14: And he deceives those who dwell on the earth, by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword, but yet lived.
15: He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.
16: He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on there right hand or on there foreheads.
17: and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18: Here is wisdom, let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, his number is 666.
for those of you still reading this, in a earlier vision he sees a beast come out of the sea, and an angel likens the sea to peoples,established "government" so i would venture a educated guess "coming out of the EARTH" is the opposite, well we AMERICA came up out of the EARTH,
who dropped the first atom bomb? "bring fire down from heaven" direct correlation.
the T.V. and computer are both images that "speak". both come from AMERICA
not yet but soon the whole earth will need "credit cards" to buy any thing. (and at the rate the American dollar is dropping its not that far off in our future)
and now for the kicker, the number 666, in Hebrew is VVV, but translated to English it is WWW.
even if you all think im crazy, whatever, i must try, thats all i can do. that is my job, i will do my job until my last dying breath, that you and those that read or hear what Yahaveh says will open there eyes, to see the truth.
Paul
Anyone else find themselves wishing Seagoon was here and in on this?
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I Found INK!
Hey Ink.
I didnt know you played quarterback LOL
http://youtube.com/watch?v=itm0acMsjow
:D
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If 9/11 was a government conspiracy, it would be so big that too many people would have been involved too have not said something to someone by now. But, maybe the people that planned it, just killed them all. <heavy sarcasm>
That's why you have the conspiracy theory for the conspiracy theory then another and another till nobody knows which way is up or down, right or wrong, true or false. We are all one big conspiracy..... why are we here.
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I Found INK!
Hey Ink.
I didnt know you played quarterback LOL
http://youtube.com/watch?v=itm0acMsjow
:D
you are quite wrong i don't play football this is INK
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/HPIM0793.jpg)
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i guess i am a conspiracy theorist, because i do believe the towers where done by the "government"
Don't do yourself a dis-service. On a good day you are at least an idiot. :salute
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Don't do yourself a dis-service. On a good day you are at least an idiot. :salute
LOL your so right, why do i bother trying to talk to people like you. i am an idiot.
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These are some of the comments of publicly known people on the movie "The Money Masters (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936)". www.themoneymasters.com
If you see this movie for what it is, it is not a conspiracy theory but plain presentation of facts that are otherwise hard to come by. I will not argue with anyone about this, for your opinion is yours and I have given up on people who aren't open minded enough to think for themselves. Regardless, everyone are entiteled to their own opinion. I just wanted to post this to perhaps give some more people the opportunity to see the film, to make up their own minds about it.
:salute
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"What you have shown in the scenario is what we are constantly doing at the personal level as well as the public level. It is the policy of exploitation that the rich employ against the poor. This is why grandfather [Mahatma Gandhi] said 'Materialism and morality have an inverse relationship - when one increases the other decreases.' If I may, I would like to keep the videos as resource material to teach students about economic violence in the world. With good wishes. Yours sincerely, Arun Gandhi, M.K. Gandhi Institute for Nonviolence"
"As you know, I am entirely sympathetic with the objectives of your Monetary Reform Act...You deserve a great deal of credit for carrying through so thoroughly on your own conception…I am impressed by your persistence and attention to detail in your successive revisions... Best wishes. Milton Friedman," Nobel Laureate in Economics; Senior Fellow, Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace
"Compelling! Excellently produced and impressively documented. If you want to learn what our Founding Fathers and Presidents have to say about money and its control, you will want to see [The Money Masters]…"- Dr. D. James Kennedy, Coral Ridge Ministries, FL
"I endorse the video because people should know what is happening." - Malachi Martin, late Professor at the Pontifical Biblical Institute and a close associate of Pope John XXIII; author of: The Windswept House; Vatican; The Keys of the Blood, and numerous other books
I appreciate and applaud your efforts to accomplish something specific in the area of monetary reform. . . I do not hesitate to recommend that people view The Money Masters for the excellent overview of fraudulent banking which it presents. . .
G. Edward Griffin," author of THE CREATURE FROM JEKYLL ISLAND; A Second Look at the Federal Reserve
"This is undoubtedly the most comprehensive presentation of the history of our money system and who is responsible for the disastrous consequences that has left us with an unconstitutional money system and multi-trillion dollar debt."
- Dr. W. Cleon Skousen, author of The Naked Capitalist and The Naked Communist
"This 3 ˝ hour video is professionally produced in the style of A&E Biography and covers the history of monetary reform from Roman times to the present. It is packed with great quotations which make for a powerful argument for the need to reform the money system. A MUST for serious activists."- Ian Woods, publisher of Monetary Reform Magazine
"At last somebody has put together a video on the Fed that the average person can understand."- Betty Faulk, Huntington House Publishers
"The Money Masters is by far the best and most complete production on the subject of money that we have seen. We are pleased to endorse it... Special thanks for your efforts on the most important subject that we face."- Robert Carroll, Humane World Community, Inc.
"Outstanding! The best video yet on the history of the Federal Reserve and the mysterious disappearance of America's gold reserves. Fast-paced and riveting."
- Larry Bates, former bank CEO, former Chair of the Tennessee House Banking Committee, author of The New Economic Disorder, Chief Economist FAMC
"As you know, this material is vital for an understanding of our sovereignty's transition into the U.N. You are to be commended for the video."- George S. Gabric, GSG Publishers
"We highly recommend that every American watch The Money Masters."
- Zeldon Nelson, CEO National Center for Constitutional Studies
"The Money Masters is a great video. " - Bryon Dale, The Coalition to Reform Money
"Absorbing and very enlightening! There was not a boring minute in the whole thing."
- Marilyn Brannan, Associate Editor, Monetary and Economic Review
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Ink.. I may have to upgrade you from "not too bright" to "seriously disturbed".
You claim to not be into fads then you show a picture of yourself with a nose ring.. a freeking pony tail, sleeved out in full color just like everyone else these days from goth to painters..
You watched planes hit the twin towers on TV and then said "I can't believe our government just killed all those people."? What, did you get a revelation or something?
lazs
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As for the JFK thing.. I don't know if anyone else fired a shot but a guy who looked just like oswald fired at kennedy from the depository window with a carcano rifle and hit him several times. It may be that someone else fired a shot but every shot that was recovered could be attributed to the rifle oswald owned and fired that day.
lazs
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You watched planes hit the twin towers on TV and then said "I can't believe our government just killed all those people."? What, did you get a revelation or something?
Lazs - didn't you see Satan's face in the fireball, like everyone else? That's how you could tell. I have it on good authority.
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Don't do yourself a dis-service. On a good day you are at least an idiot. :salute
Hey, everyone has their theories. I don't agree with the whole 911 thing personally, but do either of us REALLY know?
I DO agree about pearl harbor. I absolutely think we saw it was coming, and we let it happen. And I absolutely think it was the RIGHT THING TO DO! There were absolute horrors going on in the world, and we needed to help stop them. However, our nation was fed up with war. If the president simply decided to declare war, the people would immidiately be outraged, and it wouldn't happen. And imagine how things might have turned out. However, if we were attacked, then there would be MUCH more support to go to war. After all, WE didn't start it, we were simply avenging those lost!
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Hey, everyone has their theories. I don't agree with the whole 911 thing personally, but do either of us REALLY know?
I do. I am an engineer. I'll get you in on a little secret of ours. Don't tell anyone else this, else we'll get in trouble.
The two towers, and all the subsequent WTC minor buildings and pentagon... They all fell exactly in line with the damage caused by planes hitting their structures.
Don't tell nobody!
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I do. I am an engineer. I'll get you in on a little secret of ours. Don't tell anyone else this, else we'll get in trouble.
The two towers, and all the subsequent WTC minor buildings and pentagon... They all fell exactly in line with the damage caused by planes hitting their structures.
Don't tell nobody!
Laser, I am not saying I think it was an inside job, I think it was a terroristic act. I do however accept the fact that I may be wrong and the government may have had a hand in it. To play the devil's advocate, whos to say the "terrorists" weren't payed by us? I don't believe it, im simply saying its possible, and as mere citizens who werent even "there" we cannot be 100% certain.
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Laser, I am not saying I think it was an inside job, I think it was a terroristic act. I do however accept the fact that I may be wrong and the government may have had a hand in it. To play the devil's advocate, whos to say the "terrorists" weren't payed by us? I don't believe it, im simply saying its possible, and as mere citizens who werent even "there" we cannot be 100% certain.
Serenity, that "maybe" uncertainty factor applies to any and all events.
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Ink.. I may have to upgrade you from "not too bright" to "seriously disturbed".
You claim to not be into fads then you show a picture of yourself with a nose ring.. a freeking pony tail, sleeved out in full color just like everyone else these days from goth to painters..
You watched planes hit the twin towers on TV and then said "I can't believe our government just killed all those people."? What, did you get a revelation or something?
lazs
well LAZS,
maybe you are not as bright as i thought you where, for 1 : i have had both my nostrils pierced for about 15 years, and Ive been doing tattoos for twenty,i got my sleeve while in prison with a guitar string and a walkman motor. i was sleeved long before it was an "in thing" my hair has been long since 1989 i grew my hair because every time a screw ( for those of you who don't know what a screw is its a corrections officer) in prison, walked by me they said "get a hair cut" it wasn't even long my bangs went to my eyes, so i said oh you don't like long hair, so i never cut my hair while i was in prison, now tell me exactly where I'm following a fad.
heck, wait you must be right because when i was 12(this is 1982) i loved Led Zeppelin, so much so that i would fight if you said Zepp, wasn't any good, now they are considered the greatest rock band ever,yup i followed that fad, LOL
I've done things, and faced things that would make you piss your self in fear, curl up and hide under your bed crying for your mommy.
don't try to understand me your mind seems to be to shallow.
seems to me you are the one that lets others dictate how you think.
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I do. I am an engineer. I'll get you in on a little secret of ours. Don't tell anyone else this, else we'll get in trouble.
The two towers, and all the subsequent WTC minor buildings and pentagon... They all fell exactly in line with the damage caused by planes hitting their structures.
Don't tell nobody!
if you do a search, you will find all kinds of videos, of people that where there, fireman, and bystanders that spoke about hearing explosions in the sub levels.
do you know that the towers where designed so that fire CANNOT move from floor to floor.
any body who says (engineer or not) they where designed to fall strait down is fooling themselves, they where designed NOT to fall period.
the owner says himself they had building #7 pulled, " due to fire damage" hey mr engineer, how long does it take to plan a demolition of a building that size?
four hours?
because that is how long after the towers fell that they " pulled " building # 7.
it takes weeks if not months to plan a demolition that size.
here is a quote, im sure you people who believe the government, wont read this, but for those who think for themselves and want to know the TRUTH one way or the other, there are many points that this brings up.
for those who allow other people to think for them DO NOT READ FURTHER.
"How could those buildings fall at the speed of gravity - if you put a stopwatch on them both of those World Trade Center buildings were on the ground in ten seconds - how can that be?" asked Ventura.
"If you took a billiard ball and dropped it from the height of the World Trade Center in a vacuum it would hit the ground in 9.3 seconds and if you took that same billiard ball and dropped it 10 stories at a time and merely stopped it and started it it would take 30 seconds - if you dropped it every floor of the World Trade Center to the ground, simply stopping and starting it on gravity it would take over 100 seconds to reach the ground," he surmised.
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The former wrestling star then questioned how low-temperature burning jet fuel could melt steel.
"Jet fuel is four fifths kerosene - which is not a hot burning fuel - and they wanted us to believe it melted these steel structured girders and caused these buildings to pancake collapse to the ground?" he stated.
"I was on the site within two weeks after it happened and I saw none of these pancakes - wouldn't they all be piled up in a huge mass on the ground and yet everything was blown into dust - when you look at it from that aspect none of it makes any sense," said Ventura.
"Never before in the annuls of history has a fire caused a steel structure building to fall to the ground like these two did," he concluded.
Having undergone Basic Underwater Demolition Seal training, Ventura is speaking from an experienced standpoint and he unequivocally stated that he thought the buildings were deliberately imploded.
"Upon looking at the film in super-slow motion and the way the buildings fell and comparing that to the way that they do like a controlled demolition of a hotel in Las Vegas, they both fell identical."
"I did watch the film of Building 7 going down and in my opinion there's no doubt that that building was brought down with demolition," said the former Governor.
Ventura also questioned the lack of wreckage outside of the Pentagon after Flight 77 allegedly struck the building.
"When I was watching Loose Change with a friend of mine - he happens to work for a company that helps build the Boeing airplanes and they said that when the engines completely disappeared and were destroyed, his response was, excuse my French - roadkill!," said Ventura.
"I turned to him and said why and he said because they're made of titanium steel - they can't disintegrate."
Ventura said that the corporate media were going to continue to cover-up the truth about 9/11, but that the number of credible people speaking out and increasing education and knowledge about the subject would eventually reap dividends.
"We don't want to lose our country, after all it's still our country and until they put us down we have the power," Ventura concluded.
The Governor's bold comments about 9/11 come on the heels of similar views expressed by American icon Willie Nelson during an interview on the same radio show in February.
oh wait he is just a stupid actor who knows nothing.
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I've heard the usual conspiracy theories, but there is one which possibly could merit serious discussion at least to disprove it. The theory that microwave ovens change or mutate food which could be harmful when ingested. I always thought microwaves were nothing more than radio waves, and they cook by molecular friction. Some folks are claiming this somehow "changes" the molecular or atomic structure of food to where it may be carcinogenic. Is there anything to this? Or is it as I think it to be BS? If it's BS, then why? Is it possible for microwaves to alter the molecular structure of food to where it's toxic?
Les
Nuke a banana and tell us what you think.
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Warning; language (http://www.thehowdydoodyuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons)
More Genius (A Spoof on the 'Loose Change' video crap) (http://www.thehowdydoodyuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=af07)
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First off, leave Jesse Ventura out of this. He's gone off the deep end. And I don't mean I only think he's weird because he switched from Republican to Democrat.
I mean he's 2 computer beeps away from smearing feces on his face and re-enacting Romeo and Juliette in a one man play naked in Central Park. Dude's diddlying crazy.
Second? I ain't just an engineer. I'm an architectural engineer. That means I know exactly how to design buildings. I know exactly how to build them. I know exactly what causes failures.
Past that, I've been studying Fire Protection, with my Thesis being designed to PREVENT steel failure due to fire.
The failure wasn't some great mystery that the government is hiding from us. First off, the building was designed to survive the impact force of smaller jet. However the engineers did not consider that the impact would blow all of the Spray On Fireproofing off of the columns.
Steel itself is a great structural material. Hell, without Steel concrete itself would be useless. The problem is that steel has VERY poor thermal properties in relation to heat. That's why we use Metal for pots and pans and not wood. The structural steel with fire proofing could last many hours, perhaps even days. Without fire proofing, it would be lucky to hit half an hour.
Most steel is only loaded to 50%-75% of the capacity (the latter being if the loading properties are EXPLICITLY known). 60-65% is a good average for us to work with. Now if you take the thermal properties of steel, it hits 65% capacity at about 1000 degrees fahrenheit.
But when you consider that roughly 1/8 of all the steel columns were severed on the buildings, suddenly all the other columns must carry the load. Not taking into account wind loading due to asymmetrical column loading, the columns were loaded up 85-90%. This failure occurs at 850 degrees Fahrenheit.
And in case you can't figure out what this information means, it means that steel doesn't have to melt to fail. And just for toejams and giggles, at 1450 degrees Fahrenheit, most steel becomes roughly the consistency of soft gum.
Second, the pancake analogy for how these numbnuts think that a building should fail is childish at best. Each individual floor is only designed to hold roughly 100 pounds per square foot at MAX. However, they are not designed to hold the actual weight of the building above it. And for every second the building is falling, the force of the section doubles. So in roughly that first 3/4 of a second it took for the first failure to fall to the next, not only would that floor NOT be able to hold it, but it would have to hold 175% of the total weight. It wasn't just the weight of the next floor up that was falling. It was the weight of MANY floors. In the next second of fall it has roughly 300% the force, or it's hitting 2x HEAVIER than the top section itself.
As to the damage to the other WTC buildings? Well that ain't hard to figure out. Many millions of tons of FLAMING WRECKAGE fell upon a complex of buildings all near the base of what were some of the tallest buildings known to man. Again, it is simply childish to think that a falling person wouldn't crush a few ant hills when he hit the ground.
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Don't listen to LaserSailor, he's a government sheep.
:P
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you are quite wrong i don't play football this is INK
Well of course not anymore.
Cant have Batman playing football
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/HPIM0793.jpg)
Contemplating Seppuku?
LMAO
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Serenity, that "maybe" uncertainty factor applies to any and all events.
EXACTLY!!!
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Nuke a banana and tell us what you think.
I'm afraid nuking a banana would tell me nothing far as molecular mutation or atomic polarity change is concerned. However thank you for your reply.
Les
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Well of course not anymore.
Cant have Batman playing football
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/HPIM0793.jpg)
Contemplating Seppuku?
LMAO
actually no
i am checking out my sweet Tiger katana, made by Paul Chen, approximately 2000 layers, folded 8 times.
as a matter of fact tomorrow i will be doing some Tameshigiri.
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First off, leave Jesse Ventura out of this. He's gone off the deep end. And I don't mean I only think he's weird because he switched from Republican to Democrat.
I mean he's 2 computer beeps away from smearing feces on his face and re-enacting Romeo and Juliette in a one man play naked in Central Park. Dude's boinking crazy.
Second? I ain't just an engineer. I'm an architectural engineer. That means I know exactly how to design buildings. I know exactly how to build them. I know exactly what causes failures.
Past that, I've been studying Fire Protection, with my Thesis being designed to PREVENT steel failure due to fire.
The failure wasn't some great mystery that the government is hiding from us. First off, the building was designed to survive the impact force of smaller jet. However the engineers did not consider that the impact would blow all of the Spray On Fireproofing off of the columns.
Steel itself is a great structural material. Hell, without Steel concrete itself would be useless. The problem is that steel has VERY poor thermal properties in relation to heat. That's why we use Metal for pots and pans and not wood. The structural steel with fire proofing could last many hours, perhaps even days. Without fire proofing, it would be lucky to hit half an hour.
Most steel is only loaded to 50%-75% of the capacity (the latter being if the loading properties are EXPLICITLY known). 60-65% is a good average for us to work with. Now if you take the thermal properties of steel, it hits 65% capacity at about 1000 degrees fahrenheit.
But when you consider that roughly 1/8 of all the steel columns were severed on the buildings, suddenly all the other columns must carry the load. Not taking into account wind loading due to asymmetrical column loading, the columns were loaded up 85-90%. This failure occurs at 850 degrees Fahrenheit.
And in case you can't figure out what this information means, it means that steel doesn't have to melt to fail. And just for poops and giggles, at 1450 degrees Fahrenheit, most steel becomes roughly the consistency of soft gum.
Second, the pancake analogy for how these numbnuts think that a building should fail is childish at best. Each individual floor is only designed to hold roughly 100 pounds per square foot at MAX. However, they are not designed to hold the actual weight of the building above it. And for every second the building is falling, the force of the section doubles. So in roughly that first 3/4 of a second it took for the first failure to fall to the next, not only would that floor NOT be able to hold it, but it would have to hold 175% of the total weight. It wasn't just the weight of the next floor up that was falling. It was the weight of MANY floors. In the next second of fall it has roughly 300% the force, or it's hitting 2x HEAVIER than the top section itself.
As to the damage to the other WTC buildings? Well that ain't hard to figure out. Many millions of tons of FLAMING WRECKAGE fell upon a complex of buildings all near the base of what were some of the tallest buildings known to man. Again, it is simply childish to think that a falling person wouldn't crush a few ant hills when he hit the ground.
THANK YOU!!!!
I don't have your formal education but I have learned a lot about structural engineering with 15 years in the telecommunications and light pole industry. I've done thousands of designs and studied many building codes (AASHTO, IBC, CBC, UBC, FBC, Fatigue Design, etc). I've seen and investigated many many structural failures on steel pole and beams and I almost literally get nauseated when the conspiracy theorists start talking their drivel. Most people also don't realize that steel is very flexible and easily affected by heat. Vortex shedding could also be considered due to the stresses involved and I've contemplated this from time to time due to the sheer force of the shock effect of the impact(s).
Ink, no disrespect intended, but catastrophic structural failure has many faces. I've seen some really weird stuff when looking at something that fell over and shouldn't have under the circumstances.
I really don't think that Jesse Ventura is a credible expert in this case. The explosions could easily be attributed to seismic activity opening gas mains and exposing them to an ignition source. In fact, the seismic effects of the two towers falling could have shaken bldg 7 to the point that it failed structurally.
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actually no
i am checking out my sweet Tiger katana, made by Paul Chen, approximately 2000 layers, folded 8 times.
as a matter of fact tomorrow i will be doing some Tameshigiri.
dude.
I think you may be taking my commentary entirely too seriously.
I'm just busting your chops ;)
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as a matter of fact tomorrow i will be doing some Tameshigiri.
You do and you'll clean it up.
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OK a new list,
What conspiracy theory's have you personally run in to?
The French 9/11 dude. I was looking at his website and noticed a photo of "Pentagon cruise missile wreckage" that was part of a B757 slat actuator. I knew this because I helped design part of it. I emailed him and he politely added my correction to his site. However on another site I got accused of possibly being a "government disinformationalist" or something like that.
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Paul is still alive.
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do you know that the towers where designed so that fire CANNOT move from floor to floor.
Did ever occur to you that would be under some what normal conditions and not after a passenger jet hit the building? I mean is really that long of walk for you?
And as far WTC 7 goes. What was the point of the goverment or whoever taking it down? Did you ever question what the point of that might be?
And to repeat what has been covered at length, steel does not have to melt to fail. Can you understand that?
I told myself I wasnt going to post in this damn thread yet here I am. Im so weak.
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I'm afraid nuking a banana would tell me nothing far as molecular mutation or atomic polarity change is concerned. However thank you for your reply.
Les
Have you ever seen a banana that has?
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ink.. I may be a little more informed than you think.. one of the tats I have is a work of art performed single needle by an ex con with a cassette motor powered tool.. it is about 30 years old now and has no color but black.
I rode with plenty of guys who had what would now be called "sleeved" and they didn't look anything like your modern cartoon color ones. They and I, had long hair back then too and they wore ponytails when riding but..
Now it is a fad.. as is the silly piercing thing. like shaving your head... Trying so hard to be different by following fads.. just being on the cusp of a fad don't make you any less of a follower.. when I look at the people with pony tails and peircings it makes me less likely to have em than more.
My latest tat is more than 5 years old and is a large freehand dragon by a guy who really is an artist in my opinion.. it covers some old very very unsocialble biker stuff from the 70's It is black too. There was some color back then but not the cartoon stuff you see today.
I think that your lack of logic on the twin towers thing and your constant reference to how tough you are is just the little boy in you reaching out for a hug.
lazs
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The funniest conspiracy theory that I have ran across was a guy trying to convince me that there was a secret society that could be identified
by the foam Jack In The Box on auto antennae. I gave him a shot of Jack #7 and sent him home.
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ink.. I may be a little more informed than you think.. one of the tats I have is a work of art performed single needle by an ex con with a cassette motor powered tool.. it is about 30 years old now and has no color but black.
I rode with plenty of guys who had what would now be called "sleeved" and they didn't look anything like your modern cartoon color ones. They and I, had long hair back then too and they wore ponytails when riding but..
Now it is a fad.. as is the silly piercing thing. like shaving your head... Trying so hard to be different by following fads.. just being on the cusp of a fad don't make you any less of a follower.. when I look at the people with pony tails and peircings it makes me less likely to have em than more.
My latest tat is more than 5 years old and is a large freehand dragon by a guy who really is an artist in my opinion.. it covers some old very very unsocialble biker stuff from the 70's It is black too. There was some color back then but not the cartoon stuff you see today.
I think that your lack of logic on the twin towers thing and your constant reference to how tough you are is just the little boy in you reaching out for a hug.
lazs
are you saying Lazs because i have color in my ink it could not have been done in prison?
well so much for how informed you are see there are some people who are smart, and dont judge a book by the cover, my color tatts on my arms where done in prison, plain and simple. we smuggled colored ink in.
now i don't give a rats behind what you think about me, or your presumptions are, from what ive seen on these boards you are a trouble maker, you harass people, who don't think the way do, i have a feeling your real world life must be quite boring, and pathetic.
ohh you "rode" so now your a biker, lol let me guess you assume i "ride", the funny thing is i get along with VERY FEW bikers, they think because the got a bike they are tough, ive seen it happen, a guy i knew was a normal jo shmo, he spends something like 40 g on a custom harley next thing i see he is riding down the road chest all puffed up, giving every one dirty looks, typical biker. i don't ride, wouldn't ride.
see i don't hide who i am, or what i am, i don't pretend to be someone im not, you can look in my sig, see myspace, look into my life. i am who i say i am.
yup i may be very confident, i have reason to be, i have been put through the ringer on so many occasions in my life. i have faced death, stared him right in the face, and stood tall and never backed down.
i fly AH like i have always lived my life with honor, and dignity, in AH i dont do the things most do i WILL not vulch, i will not hourd, i wont jump in on a 1 vs 1,
this is something 90 % of AHers do, so if i was a follower, when some one types out "vulch is on " i would be right there taking those pathetic killz, you and no one else can say that i have vulched them, except maybe in my early days as a BOP, but wait what did i do? i left them because of those reasons.
because i think the towers where done by our " government" i have been attacked, my character,my intelligence, just because its online, (does not make it less of an attack) by you and many others on these boards, but i still stand for what i believe.
enough said.
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dude.
I think you may be taking my commentary entirely too seriously.
I'm just busting your chops ;)
well when so many are attacking me because of my believes, what should i think?
but what ever alls good.
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It's just that there are too many big egos to fit on this BBS. :lol
Just my €0.02. :D
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ohh you "rode" so now your a biker, lol let me guess you assume i "ride", the funny thing is i get along with VERY FEW bikers, they think because the got a bike they are tough, ive seen it happen, a guy i knew was a normal jo shmo, he spends something like 40 g on a custom harley next thing i see he is riding down the road chest all puffed up, giving every one dirty looks, typical biker.
Not to get in the middle of this, but what you just described is not a typical biker. What you described is a typical wannabe. Possibly one that has watched waaaaay to many grade B movies from the 60s/70s.
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so no body has mentioned the conspiracy that the first moon landing was totally done in a studio.
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The biggest detriment to a conspiracy is keeping it quite. The bigger the conspiracy the less likely it occurred, IMO.
1. Pearl Harbor. At Dawn We Slept http://www.amazon.com/At-Dawn-Slept-Gordon-Prange/dp/0140157344 Excellent, exhaustive history that spans decades of research. The Gist, we knew we were going to war, but didn't think those Japs had the moxie to do a Pearl Harbor. Phillipines, sure. Singapore or Java, sure. But PEARL HARBOR...please. That's crazy talk. Ooops. Then, at the end of the war the republicans were looking for leverage to set the war fighting Democrats back and gain the White House and a series of politicized investigations were launched that led us to the conspiracy theories we have today.
Point of logic. One "ah ha!" on the theory is that we kept the carriers out and let the old, obsolete battleships take the hit. Well, UNTIL Pearl Harbor the US Navy regarded the carriers as the support platfrom for the big gun navy. Pearl harbor showed that was not the case, and didn't leave us much choice regardless for 1942. highly improbable
2. Multiple gunmen/JFK. I wouldn't be surprised if the mafia had a hand in it, or if it was more than it appears. JFK was elected with help from the Chicago outfit. RFK then went on his anti mafia crusade. That's a no no. Perhaps others could have helped, since the mafia did work with the OSS/CIA at times. Don't say it did happen, but wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. Potentially a very small, professional conspiracy. possible
3. Lusitania. wouldn't be surprised if Churchill encouraged actions that lead to the sinking for the greater good to bring the US into the war. The Western Front was such a meat grinder that the ends justify the means would not have been a stretch. Possible
4. USS Liberty. I believe the evidence strongly suggests that at some point a conscious decision was made to make the Liberty go away. From the start or after a screw up, perhaps. A lot of real evidence supporting this including some new evidence that didn't get much (but some) media traction not long ago. Probable
http://www.gtr5.com/
http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/printedition/tuesday/chi-liberty_tuesoct02,0,3737033,full.story
5. Faked Moon Landing. Way too much evidence to support the landings and well within the realm of science at the time. Highly Improbable
6. Holocaust a fake or exaggeration. Please... Overwhelming direct evidence, overwhelming witnesses guards, victims and liberators and documentation. Hell I worked with a survivor from the camps in Skokie in the early 1980s. Impossible.
7. Fluoride in drinking water. Wrote an article on it once. Nothing extreme but Alcoa through it's Washington connections did manage to turn what was an industrial waste product you paid to dispose into a profit center. It's not deadly evil or a Soviet plot to contaminate our essence, but it's not really all that positive either when all is added up. Probable.
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ink.. you need to read what I wrote.. I did not say that your tats weren't done in prison at all.. what I was saying was that by the time the cartoon colors came out and were popular.. tats were a fad.. by the time you got yours there were legions of teenage girls with cartoon sleeves.
long hair and piercings would get you into some trouble in the bars I would stop at in nevada and oregon and washington when I rode in the 70's by myself.. I am not claiming to be a tough guy at all but now.. things are different.. long hair and peircings and tats are a fad.. accepted by all or.. allmost all there is no risk and it is not edgy or individualistic.. it is nothing but the mark of a follower of fads.
I don't need to go to "myspace" which seems like another fad thing.... to see how tough you are.. I don't care how tough you are.. you may or may not be.. myspace won't tell me squat.
I vultch and join in on 1 v 1 fights to help or get the kill all the time. It is a game. I fly an FM2.. I need all the advantage I can get.. I don't know anything about "honor" in the game. although.. it does seem a little odd that people fly the fastest and best planes in the game all the time.
Planes crashed into the twin towers.. we all seen it.. nothing odd happened other than that. I don't care how tough you are or what faith you practice or who beat you as a child.. that changes nothing on the frigging twin towers.
If I am boring then I am glad... There was a lot of time in my life that I yearned to be boring.. it was a goal. I have done ok at it but not spectacular.. I am constantly accused of never growing up.
and.. I don't even own a sword.. oh.. .wait... I do have that civil war one...
lazs
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ink.. you need to read what I wrote.. I did not say that your tats weren't done in prison at all.. what I was saying was that by the time the cartoon colors came out and were popular.. tats were a fad.. by the time you got yours there were legions of teenage girls with cartoon sleeves.
long hair and piercings would get you into some trouble in the bars I would stop at in nevada and oregon and washington when I rode in the 70's by myself.. I am not claiming to be a tough guy at all but now.. things are different.. long hair and peircings and tats are a fad.. accepted by all or.. allmost all there is no risk and it is not edgy or individualistic.. it is nothing but the mark of a follower of fads.
I don't need to go to "myspace" which seems like another fad thing.... to see how tough you are.. I don't care how tough you are.. you may or may not be.. myspace won't tell me squat.
I vultch and join in on 1 v 1 fights to help or get the kill all the time. It is a game. I fly an FM2.. I need all the advantage I can get.. I don't know anything about "honor" in the game. although.. it does seem a little odd that people fly the fastest and best planes in the game all the time.
Planes crashed into the twin towers.. we all seen it.. nothing odd happened other than that. I don't care how tough you are or what faith you practice or who beat you as a child.. that changes nothing on the frigging twin towers.
If I am boring then I am glad... There was a lot of time in my life that I yearned to be boring.. it was a goal. I have done ok at it but not spectacular.. I am constantly accused of never growing up.
and.. I don't even own a sword.. oh.. .wait... I do have that civil war one...
lazs
myspace is about my work and art. and nothing else except my family.
and few people had sleeves when i did mine, it certainly wasn't a common thing to see. legions of girls, thats laughable.
what ever I'm done communicating with you, thinking down to your level gives me a headache.
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This is right up my alley.
If you don't question 911 check out http://pilotsfor911truth.org/
I was a disbeliever until My brother worked for one of the founders of the website. I also had someone in know bring over the news clip of building #7 It is a must see.
I think you have to watch loosechange the video on utube to see it.
read the iron mountain report if you don't think there is a group of people that are interested in less that your best intrest.
or the "Creature from Jekyll island" as second look at the FED.
Not saying I believe in any of these next ones.
I have heard of the cemtrail theory
How about the reptilian agenda. Had a customer tell me about that one i just laughed.
Until I saw Monsters inc the movie. Not saying its true but there are some people that believe it is. I was telling my brother I thought it was a good laugh until he got this serious look on his face. He said I worked in Patagonia for a couple of lets say male couple and they had a picture on their wall of a man with half a lizard face. they called him a chipaqurey (not sure if i spelled it right) Anyway he finished the story and told me he had heard the story several years ago. He went on to tell me of all the stories that have half serpent legends in them from the Chinese serpent gods, to the biblical story of Adam and eve and the serpent. You should read some Jewish writings on that one. To the Serpent gods that came from the dog star Sirius and taught the ancients how to rule over others. OK here is where it gets good. Guess what the second name of Texas is. Ya the lone star state named after Sirius. Anyway These gods supposedly taught Nebuchadnezzar. This is the start of what they call the blue blood line of rulers. The line goes through Charlemagne, and yes 36 of your U.S. presidents believe in this and claim to be blue blood. I'm not saying the myth is true but what i have found out is that some of these guys believe it is.
OK i have more but got to go for now.
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I love conspiracy theorists, they never cease to ammuse :D :lol
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Chemtrails... LMAO
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well when so many are attacking me because of my believes, what should i think?
but what ever alls good.
Maybe the O'Club isnt the place to post your "believes" if the responses bother you this much.
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Ok, time to dust this one off...
9/11 and many other conspiracies are intimately related.
It was without a doubt a controlled demolition, put in action by a vatican/rosicrucian/freemason conspiracy. Also known at the Illuminati, in cahoots with the Templar, these are the most powerful people in the world, the ones pulling Cheney's strings. Putin can't brush his teeth without their permission.
Don't fool yourself into thinking you know what's going on in this world. The first duty of power is to perpetuate itself, and we don't even know who the actual powerful people are. Truman started the whole American tradition of secrecy after WWII, with Project Paperclip, in which the CIA put captured Nazi scientists to work on America's nuclear arsenal, the space program, and all this "otherworldly" technology they'd come across. (And you know what I mean.) Then they got Truman to create the super-secret Majestic 12 committee to oversee Project Paperclip, not to mention other weird stuff the government wanted hidden. They ran the whole thing, and they've been running it for years.
The whole Kennedy thing is so huge because it's at the center of so many other covert shadow-government operations. Kennedy himself was the smallest part of it, because it was actually a power play between Dulles' CIA, the anti-Castro military, LBJ, the Giancana Mafia, and a bunch of other dirty players. Oswald was a patsy, sure, but he put a gun on Jack. Of course, so did other test-mules from Dulles' MK-Ultra LSD-mind-control experiments. Zapruder was in on it, too: He was a KGB mole from way back. And the whole thing had ripple effects, like Jonestown, which was an assassin training camp that got found out. As for the Warren Commission, that thing was a joke—Dulles himself was on it, and there was only one person on the whole commission who wasn't on the CIA payroll and suspected Oswald didn't act alone. He died in a plane crash, after a young congressional aide named Bill Clinton drove him to the airport. It's all true, but nobody wants to admit it. Nobody.
Now, Roswell, that's a bunch of crap. The Air Force was in possession of captured alien technology years before that. In '43, they started reverse-engineering a torus-shaped craft that came down in Arizona, and the next thing you know, America has The Bomb, supersonic aircraft, and a space program. Glenn saw stuff up there, flying lights. You can look it up. You know what I think? I think that skirt-chaser Kennedy wanted to spill the beans about our alien friends, so they killed him. He told his girlfriend Marilyn Monroe, and they killed her, too. No doubt, you're wondering, "Who are 'they'?" Well, I think the numbers speak for themselves: The Trinity site, where the first A-bomb was detonated; Dealey Plaza, where Kennedy bought the farm; and Area 51 are all on the 33rd parallel. And what other significance does the number 33 happen to have? It's the highest rank of the Masonic order. Wheels within wheels, my friends. Wheels within wheels.
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I think you have to watch loosechange the video on utube to see it.
Loose Change has more bullcrap in it that An Inconvenient Truth. That saying something.
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9/11 and many other conspiracies are intimately related.
It was without a doubt a controlled demolition, put in action by a vatican/rosicrucian/freemason conspiracy. Also known at the Illuminati, in cahoots with the Templar, these are the most powerful people in the world, the ones pulling Cheney's strings. Putin can't brush his teeth without their permission.
Don't fool yourself into thinking you know what's going on in this world. The first duty of power is to perpetuate itself, and we don't even know who the actual powerful people are. Truman started the whole American tradition of secrecy after WWII, with Project Paperclip, in which the CIA put captured Nazi scientists to work on America's nuclear arsenal, the space program, and all this "otherworldly" technology they'd come across. (And you know what I mean.) Then they got Truman to create the super-secret Majestic 12 committee to oversee Project Paperclip, not to mention other weird stuff the government wanted hidden. They ran the whole thing, and they've been running it for years.
The whole Kennedy thing is so huge because it's at the center of so many other covert shadow-government operations. Kennedy himself was the smallest part of it, because it was actually a power play between Dulles' CIA, the anti-Castro military, LBJ, the Giancana Mafia, and a bunch of other dirty players. Oswald was a patsy, sure, but he put a gun on Jack. Of course, so did other test-mules from Dulles' MK-Ultra LSD-mind-control experiments. Zapruder was in on it, too: He was a KGB mole from way back. And the whole thing had ripple effects, like Jonestown, which was an assassin training camp that got found out. As for the Warren Commission, that thing was a joke—Dulles himself was on it, and there was only one person on the whole commission who wasn't on the CIA payroll and suspected Oswald didn't act alone. He died in a plane crash, after a young congressional aide named Bill Clinton drove him to the airport. It's all true, but nobody wants to admit it. Nobody.
Now, Roswell, that's a bunch of crap. The Air Force was in possession of captured alien technology years before that. In '43, they started reverse-engineering a torus-shaped craft that came down in Arizona, and the next thing you know, America has The Bomb, supersonic aircraft, and a space program. Glenn saw stuff up there, flying lights. You can look it up. You know what I think? I think that skirt-chaser Kennedy wanted to spill the beans about our alien friends, so they killed him. He told his girlfriend Marilyn Monroe, and they killed her, too. No doubt, you're wondering, "Who are 'they'?" Well, I think the numbers speak for themselves: The Trinity site, where the first A-bomb was detonated; Dealey Plaza, where Kennedy bought the farm; and Area 51 are all on the 33rd parallel. And what other significance does the number 33 happen to have? It's the highest rank of the Masonic order. Wheels within wheels, my friends. Wheels within wheels.
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Now it is a fad.. as is the silly piercing thing. like shaving your head... Trying so hard to be different by following fads.. just being on the cusp of a fad don't make you any less of a follower.. when I look at the people with pony tails and peircings it makes me less likely to have em than more.
lazs
ya know....i don't have any tats.....and only ear piercings.......but i never really had a lot of friends in school because i WOULDN'T try to fit in with one of the "cliques". each tiem they changed, they would try to drag people like me in, with no sucess. i've always just done/been what i wanted to be, and screw what anyone else thought of me. even into my mid 20's it was the same.
what's funny now.....most of my friends are my friends BECAUSE i STILL don't try to fit into these "cliques".
i don't/wont shave my head because it's the "man" thing to do(besides, my hair's fallin out fast enough). i did have a ponytail(down to my ass) till about 5 years ago when i joined CAP. i had it when they weren't popular, and i kept it when they got popular, then unpopular again. i've been driving mustangs since i was 16. only reason i don't have one right now is due to the old lady in the saturn i mentioned in some other thread. when i rebuilt, i didn't want "just another mustang". so i have a mustang in disguise.
basicly, i've just always been me. it was too uch effort to try to be what someone else thought ya should be just to fit in. not worth it. eff em all.........like me like i am, or eff off.....pretty simple....like most things....... :D
o yea..and fads are for anal opening types of people :aok
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so no body has mentioned the conspiracy that the first moon landing was totally done in a studio.
because it wasn't a conspiracy? :noid
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because it wasn't a conspiracy? :noid
Many russians believe it was. Guess why? The flag wasn't wavering in the wind! :rofl
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:noid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djo4gfXaXZg :noid
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Large corporations buying up our farm land ( this is actually happening) :noid
alcohol is kept cheap to dumb down the public. :D
I could go on all night with the theories I have heard :confused: