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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: superpug1 on October 06, 2008, 10:54:15 AM
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Seeing as politics is verboten, lets talk about the next best thing, cars!
I am going to field training next summer and as kind of an atta boy my whole family is pitching in to help me get a new car. So far I like the idea of getting a new Camaro SS (black, 6 spd, LS3, teh sexxy pretty much), but thats the stratosphere of my price cap. If thats not attainable I was thinking 4 door cobalt ss tc. If not that then maybe a nice use 911. Anyone had any personal experience with the last two? Any ideas other than the mentioned?
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Being that I have some family members in this area, how old are you and do you have any speeds? If you are young, the insurance may be more than you car payments. Have seen 18 year olds with Mustangs that have had monthly premiums of about $600.
Not trying to ruin your mood. Just food for thought.
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No haha, I understand. I've thought about it. I will be 20 by the time I get it. Never had any speeding tickets, wrecks, accidents, parking tickets, I was an A B student in HS and have kept been on the Dean's list every semester so far in college. Plus my insurance is with USAA so my premiums wont be very high.
I know what you meen, one of my friends had a Camaro SS in HS as his first car. He payed out the @55 until he broke it in half. He was luck to walk away from that.
I just love cars and my parents and I are looking at this as kind of a reward for doing well and motivation for continuing to do so. Plus after getting my bellybutton kicked next semester all semester for field training prep and then for 4 weeks 24/7 over the summer I think I deserve somethin more than the 700 the USAF will pay me.
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Super,
Forget the camaro, it is a first year production run (bugs!) and it will be really, really, overprice since the wait has been so long. Instead, go for a Mustang, it will be much cheaper and look 100 times better (IMO). With just a couple of grand more you can have it looking like mine, check it out.....
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p185/pxdig/stanginpark/DSCI0024.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p185/pxdig/stanginpark/DSCI0025.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p185/pxdig/stanginpark/DSCI0030.jpg)
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p185/pxdig/stanginpark/DSCI0031.jpg)
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I thought about mustangs but I dont want a Ford. Dont get me wrong, great car, but Id love something that can turn. So if I found one of those SVT cobras with the IRS I may go for it, but most people pulled em out for a live axle for drag racing.
Only advantage I can see with getting a first run camaro is that it could be worth more after a few decades. And we've never had first year bugs with GM vehicles. My dad got the Dmax in 2001, one of the first in the state. Only prob was the injectors and that was a free fix at 150,000 miles, its got 160,000 on it now no probs. My 87 chevy was the first year for EFI in a chevy truck, not problems except for the tank selector switch, but that was repared in the 90s. Even my moms Ford 500 hasnt had any problems (except for a rubbing sound comming from the rear under the trunk when you hit a dip in the road).
Yall have had some good advice and ideas though, thanks.
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Seeing as politics is verboten, lets talk about the next best thing, cars!
I am going to field training next summer and as kind of an atta boy my whole family is pitching in to help me get a new car. So far I like the idea of getting a new Camaro SS (black, 6 spd, LS3, teh sexxy pretty much), but thats the stratosphere of my price cap. If thats not attainable I was thinking 4 door cobalt ss tc. If not that then maybe a nice use 911. Anyone had any personal experience with the last two? Any ideas other than the mentioned?
Let me give you a suggestions: BUY AMERICAN MADE CAR. Sure, you can get a Nissan or Toyota. They have high resale value, good milage but, they are getting to the point of breaking down faster. Cars like Ford last a hell lot longer and you will have a at least five Ford certified mechanic near by. I am near Wichita, Ks. We have one Toyota, Nissan and VW dealership and 10 Ford, GMC dealership.
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Ya, American cars are getting MUCH better. They are extremely competitive now, compared to a few years ago. The Cobalt SS is a beast. I drove one over the summer and it beat the crap out the competition. The ride was great but it handled well, got 34mpg at 70 mph, would set your head against the head rest in 5th gear.
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dig, I envy you.
The reliability reports on the new Mustangs have been pretty good. The 3-year report on the 05's indicate no major problems.
I just can't afford 20,000-30,000 for a car. :(
Maybe I can find a used 05 somewhere....
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I know what you meen, one of my friends had a Camaro SS in HS as his first car. He payed out the @55 until he broke it in half. He was luck to walk away from that.
"until he broke it in half", thats why young males with powerful cars pay allot for insurance. I guess his parents bought him another one.
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haha noo, he didnt get another until senior year when he scraped enough together for a 1978 ford van. Ya its unfortunate for those of us that are somewhat responsible drivers.
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Go to the corvette forum.
www.corvetteforum.com
look in any of the tabs for C6, C5, C4, C3 for sale :)
(depending on how old a car you like)
C6 and C5 will run circles around any Mustang in comparable price range.
If you opt for a 10 year old Vette or so..insurance wont dog you out too bad either.
They just dont cost much.. and on the forum you can find pristine stock low mileage,
..or modded to the moon, or hi mile inexpensive Vette's ..
..whatever floats your boat :)
They will make you smile every time you get into it.
The downside is.. older ones may need repair now an then
(I got an idler pully startin to squeal,
had to replace the battery 2 years ago,
and headlight controller module had pins completely rusted away
.. LOL .. it's 122k miles an counting, gets 30mpg at 70mph, 24 around town,
330hp and 3300lbs approx, runs the quarter about a second faster than Mustang GT
(lost count of how many I put down at Speedworld.. I mean
.. dime a dozen applies, an they all want to 'show me' .. ROFL)
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/1grayeagle/my%20vette/DSC02037.jpg)
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/1grayeagle/my%20vette/Sunrise.jpg)
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/1grayeagle/Mt%20Lemmon%2010%20may%2008/IMG_0766.jpg)
Z51 option will net you stiffer road racing suspension, G90 will give you the lower gears in back, ..and of course, Z06 is the big dog of the bunch at 405hp, 6 gear.. but the top doesnt come off, and I can build to exceed Z06 hp easily.
-Frank aka GE (bang for the buck applies)
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I know we've already had this discussion before.
Mustangs...what metrosexuals drive.
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Just get E36 chassis with LS/T56 conversion.
(http://www.bmwinfo.com/pictures/00864.jpg)
You get Amerikan raw power with German/Japanese philosophy of refinement and handling/balance. The best the world coukd offer :aok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC-5G7hpRYI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r82qX2VjqZc
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Super,
Forget the camaro, it is a first year production run (bugs!) and it will be really, really, overprice since the wait has been so long. Instead, go for a Mustang, it will be much cheaper and look 100 times better (IMO). With just a couple of grand more you can have it looking like mine, check it out.....
How much do the extra ground effects weigh? I often wonder about bolt ons that degrade performance. I never understood the attraction.
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'03 Cobra - an extremely fun street car - the way the power comes on with the Eaton blower (or Kenne Bell if you decide to upgrade!) is really something. Instant power at any RPM. You can find nice ones for low mid $20's - very well built, extremely strong engine/drivetrain. The engine is capable of holding 600+ RWHP (if you decided to do a Kenne Bell) reliably so long as it's tuned properly (the record is a hair over 1,000 RWHP on the stock longblock, but that won't last). They don't do too bad of job turning, with the IRS and a decent set of tires. I run the Nitto 315's in the rear and 275's up front, works well for straight line and mountain drives (although with the big sticky meat in the rear it will push before it oversteers).
I had the factory blower ported by Steigemeier (Stage IV) and a 2.8 upper pulley, 4lb lower Metco setup and the supporting mods like intake/exhaust. Makes 516 RWHP and 530 RWTQ. However it is quite heavy, at 3,665 lbs - so a Vette only needs about 440-450 RWHP to run even, from my experience. Some photos of mine, I just think they look awesome - and they're extremely rare to see on the road, despite the fact that they made ~14,000 of them!
(http://www.03svtcobra.net/03CobraC6Z06Photos/TerminatorC6Z06Resized/Terminator3.jpg)
(http://www.03svtcobra.net/03CobraC6Z06Photos/TerminatorC6Z06Resized/Terminator7.jpg)
(http://www.03svtcobra.net/CobraPhotosRecent/Edited/RickCobra4.jpg)
(http://www.03svtcobra.net/03CobraC6ZPics/800600Res/RickEdit1.jpg)
3rd gear punch from 60. I love the blower whine!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBSpx6RUs2s
However, a heads/cam C5 Z06 would also be a heck of a lot of fun, and be more of a total package, with the handling/braking to go along with the straight line punch.
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Seeing as politics is verboten, lets talk about the next best thing, cars!
I am going to field training next summer and as kind of an atta boy my whole family is pitching in to help me get a new car. So far I like the idea of getting a new Camaro SS (black, 6 spd, LS3, teh sexxy pretty much), but thats the stratosphere of my price cap. If thats not attainable I was thinking 4 door cobalt ss tc. If not that then maybe a nice use 911. Anyone had any personal experience with the last two? Any ideas other than the mentioned?
ferget the camaro. it's pretty, but just a copy....once again.
go for a mustang gt. good looking, fast, good handling, and somewhat affordable.
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'03 Cobra - an extremely fun street car -
Lowered?
pxdig's car needs bigger wheels or needs to be lowered.
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If not that then maybe a nice use 911.
Do it. You'll never drive anything else.
But... do all your homework.
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go for a mustang gt. good looking, fast, good handling, and somewhat affordable.
Or if you go in regularly for a manicure, pedicure, or a waxing.
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a car?
no
THE CAR
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z125/JB73Mustaine/thecar.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z125/JB73Mustaine/TheCar-1.gif)
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haahaa the car. Thanks for all the replies, but I have to side with diablo here. I am not a ford guy, and I dont want a mustang. I shoulda specified. I dont see how the Camaro is a copy of anything. it follows the same formula as the mustang. So maybe thats how, but it does everything better.
As for the beemer with an LS swap, thats fricking amazing! Ive never seen anyone do that. But im not looking to put a ton of time into something to make it run well.
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go for a mustang gt. good looking, fast, good handling, and somewhat affordable.
Actually mustangs don't handle that great.
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Guy on corvette forum has a nice '97 red coupe, D1Sc blower, about 600hp at the flywheel, 6 gear, with a lot of nice mods, looks like he may need rear tires -evil grin- .. he's askin 20.5k for it.
-shrug-
Bang for the buck applies.
There are others :)
-GE aka Frank
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Actually mustangs don't handle that great.
you'd be surprised. they do however suck in the wet weather.
i know how they handle. drive em, remember? :D
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Guy on corvette forum has a nice '97 red coupe, D1Sc blower, about 600hp at the flywheel, 6 gear, with a lot of nice mods, looks like he may need rear tires -evil grin- .. he's askin 20.5k for it.
-shrug-
Bang for the buck applies.
There are others :)
-GE aka Frank
can have a used mustang with same capabilities, for 1/2 the price
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Show me a Mustang that handles like a vette and Ill show you some bech from property in Oklahoma lol. I drove an 07 civic si yesterday, not super fast but it was fun. I think it could have used a good bit more torque and better steering but it was fun haha. Im gunna have to look up insurance rates for an old 911. If I got a Vette my mom would kill me, thats her dream car haha.
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Show me a Mustang that handles like a vette and Ill show you some bech from property in Oklahoma lol. I drove an 07 civic si yesterday, not super fast but it was fun. I think it could have used a good bit more torque and better steering but it was fun haha. Im gunna have to look up insurance rates for an old 911. If I got a Vette my mom would kill me, thats her dream car haha.
YOU talking about real world in the roads you drive on every day, or by the numbers?
the numbers are usless eye candy, as in the real world, you'll never touch em.
in real world, average drivers, the previously mentioned 97 vette would have a difficult time getting away from the mustang of the same vintage. add a few simple bolt ons, like springs, and better swaybars, and they'll be pretty close to equal.
now, take proffessional drivers, and it's a different story. i'm not a proffessional driver, but suffice it to say, nothing that got over 20 miles/gallon ever pulled away from mine. in turns or straights...
a guy i used to work with had one of those hondas you mentioned. i hate to admit it, but i like it. he specifically told me to beat it....so i did. in front of the shop, 5500rpm, sidestepped the clutch.....rolled smoke 1st gear, powershifted 2nd, continued, powershifted 3rd, finally caught traction.....thing was impressivly quick for a honda. i told him it felt like a mid to low 14 second ride. he ran a 14.27 or so. i'd almost consider buying one....but i like my v8 rumble.
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'stang for half the price with same capabilities'
Show me.
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/1grayeagle/my%20vette/DSC02768.jpg)
or.. to put it another way..
..in your dreams, pal.
Go ahead.. find a '97 Mustang with 600hp, 6 gear, chrome wheels, gets almost 30mpg, ..for 10k.
ROFL.
Post the link... or direct me to where they are.
As for 'real world numbers' .. I'm guessin you see a lotta Vette tail lights from the C5-C6 crowd.. that is.. if they decide to 'show you' ..
..most wont ..just not required.
I mean ..it's not a Vette.
It's a Mustang.
Not even in the same world.
Tell ya what ..rent a new Vette from Hertz for a day.
Surprise yourself.
-GE aka Frank
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'stang for half the price with same capabilities'
Show me.
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/1grayeagle/my%20vette/DSC02768.jpg)
or.. to put it another way..
..in your dreams, pal.
Go ahead.. find a '97 Mustang with 600hp, 6 gear, chrome wheels, gets almost 30mpg, ..for 10k.
ROFL.
Post the link... or direct me to where they are.
As for 'real world numbers' .. I'm guessin you see a lotta Vette tail lights from the C5-C6 crowd.. that is.. if they decide to 'show you' ..
..most wont ..just not required.
I mean ..it's not a Vette.
It's a Mustang.
Not even in the same world.
Tell ya what ..rent a new Vette from Hertz for a day.
Surprise yourself.
-GE aka Frank
well.....ya got me on the chick magnet part.
drove my old boss's 04. cool, but that's it. hard ride. not comfortable really.
drove a friends 96. not very impressive, but more comfortable than the 04. still a hard ride though.
i'd take the 96 over the 04, although the 4 looks better.
still, i like me fords........you like your chevys.
the mustang was never intended to compete with the vette to begin with, so the fact it's even close is an accomplishment.
but for arguments sake, here's some numbers.......the stang is second to the vette....with por drivers. close enough that the better of 2 average drivers would take the win in any of these catagories.
The Vette is not only 616 pounds lighter but also splits its weight 51.9/48.1 percent front to rear. That more even distribution means more traction off the line, stronger braking, and better handling balance.
At the test track, physics would not be denied. Despite being on tires similar to the Corvette's in size and specification, the GT500 achieved only 0.90 g on the skidpad, whereas the Vette pulled 0.95 g.
close enough that if i'm a better driver than you, i'm gonna come out of the turn in front, and vice versa
During our brake tests, the GT500 nose-dived dramatically but stopped only a little worse than the Corvette. In our usual 70-mph stop, it needed 172 feet. In a much more punishing 120-mph stop, the GT500 came to a halt in 485 feet. The Vette edged it at 161 and 462 feet, respectively.
What surprised us, however, was the GT500's loss in the acceleration runs. Its 100-hp advantage should have been enough to leave the Vette in a cloud of rubber dust. The GT500 also has a useful launch-
100 hp is nowhere near enough to overcome the extra 616 pounds...but that's ok......
Under full human control, we shaved 0.1 second from the 60-mph sprint, lowering it to 4.5 seconds. The quarter-mile required only 12.9 seconds at 112 mph, 150 mph came in 30.3 seconds, and an electronic tether limited top speed to 155 mph.
absolutley respectable for a 3900 pound pig.
In any case, the fiberglass wonder from Chevy ripped to 60 mph in 4.3 seconds and through the quarter in 12.8 seconds at 113 mph. It was also 3.5 seconds quicker to 150, which is hardly surprising given the Corvette's sleeker shape and smaller frontal area.
no surprise here......at those speeds, the vette finally has a clear cut victory, regardless of who's driving.
Our best time was 1:33.30, about three seconds slower than the Vette, and it's hard to forget the GT500's extra poundage. One tester commented, "I'm always aware of the high center of gravity compared with the Vette's, and the GT500 really bounds and bobs. But I could spend a day lapping this car and never get bored."
to a race driver 3 seconds is an eternity, but again, to you and me, it's gonna be whoever is the better driver. 3 seconds isn't much distance when ya get to the slower turns.
it seems as if they don;t like the mustang, but they did give it a fair shake.
my point is that for a car that was never intended to compete in the same class as the vette, it's pretty darned close, and significantly cheaper.
on that note, however, i do personally believe that the mustang is seriously overpriced too. it's no longer the affordable performance car it used to be. if i were gonna spend 40k on a vehicle of some sort, i'm buying a cessna.,...........
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http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison_test/coupes/2006_chevrolet_corvette_vs_2007_ford_mustang_shelby_gt500_comparison_test+page-2.html
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'03 Cobra - an extremely fun street car
That is a very nice '03 Mustang.
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LOL.. there's more.
'real world' stang vs Vette:
Can you take the top off?
I can, and do.
Do people come up to you and tell you they've dreamed of owning one for 20 years?
Or ask what year it is? .. are they blown away when you tell 'em
'no, it's not new, it's ten years old and costs less than a new Civic'
Do you get 30mpg at 70mph?
ok ok.. I'll give you the fact that you have a back seat.. for midgets.
I don't need one, that's one of the reasons I got a Vette.
Every bolt on you do for a Mustang will net you more on a Vette.
Start with a faster car, it just goes faster.
I know one thing is the same .. every wannabe wants to run it, stoplight, freeway, even up onramps.
I have been known to exceed the speed limit going up an onramp now an then, that is just pure fun.
Had one o' those V8 Lexus econo boxes get all up into it and blow by me the other day goin up an onramp.
I let him go.. I mean .. it just wasn't a Vette.
Rain squall was dumpin right at the top as we hit the freeway..
..he lost it and slid backward off the freeway after several nice lookin 360's.
Yup .. he showed me.
I was laughin pretty hard when I went by.
Out at Speedworld, Vette's average about a second faster than comparably equipped V-8 Mustangs
Yes.. I've seen some turbo stangs run out there, .. they dont hang with the 1100hp turbo Vettes tho.
'bout a second slower.
Still.
-Frank aka GE
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It's not so much I that I like chevies ..it's that I dislike Fords.
If they had any balls at all they'd put a 351 Cleveland in their new Mustang as a top of the line model and just scare the crap outta everyone.
Or even an aluminum version of their top dog 427.
Both were awesome engines to run.
Instead ,..they screw around with namby-pamby motors that just dont get it done.
Ford needs to think about putting 'muscle' into their muscle car.
Can you imagine what a 351 Cleveland would be like in the new stang?
I had the pleasure of wringing out a '69 Mach One 4-gear with a Cleveland in it long ago.
I still remember the outright gut feeling that car gave me.
It was *scary* to get on it hard.
First gear was an eyeblink, second wasn't much slower, ..the car I drove belonged to a friend,
he had put headers on, bigger Holly, and sticky tires in the back.
Always pissed me off that Ford never seemed to stick with a good setup very long.
And what is up with 17 bolts to hold a 289 water pump on?
-rolls eyes-
A pristine example of Ford engineering.
I pass.
-GE aka Frank
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It's not so much I that I like chevies ..it's that I dislike Fords.
If they had any balls at all they'd put a 351 Cleveland in their new Mustang as a top of the line model and just scare the crap outta everyone.
Or even an aluminum version of their top dog 427.
Both were awesome engines to run.
Instead ,..they screw around with namby-pamby motors that just dont get it done.
Ford needs to think about putting 'muscle' into their muscle car.
Can you imagine what a 351 Cleveland would be like in the new stang?
I had the pleasure of wringing out a '69 Mach One 4-gear with a Cleveland in it long ago.
I still remember the outright gut feeling that car gave me.
It was *scary* to get on it hard.
First gear was an eyeblink, second wasn't much slower, ..the car I drove belonged to a friend,
he had put headers on, bigger Holly, and sticky tires in the back.
Always pissed me off that Ford never seemed to stick with a good setup very long.
And what is up with 17 bolts to hold a 289 water pump on?
-rolls eyes-
A pristine example of Ford engineering.
I pass.
-GE aka Frank
a 351C wouldn't do as well in the new stangs. it didn;t make its power in as usable of a range that these engines do. the 4.6L is a very close copy to the old 427's. crossbolted mains, DOHC, and it's not a V engine either. it's a Y block. i THINK the 5.4 is the same, although i'm not sure.
i had a customer had a 69 z28. 302 4 speed, 4 wheel disc brakes. i think it was a muncie trans. if i had driven one of them whe i was a teen, i might be a chevy nut nowadays. the dam thing was still pulling at 7500rpm when i shifted. i've never taken any of m ford smallblocks that high.....but then i never needed to either.
i've also never been one to want to race a corvette "just because it's a vette" that's stupid. i race for the same reasons i fly in here. i race because i liek the race...the rush of the acceleration and speed. i don't care if i cross the line first or not. i fly in here cause i like the fight. same deal.
i'll try to find a pic of my stang to post....and i'll post a few of the shop race car too.......9 second 68 camaro. not street legal though obviously.
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The '03/'04 Cobra is really the only impressive car that Ford has made. How can anyone say that a factory supercharged car with a built engine, capable of 460+ RWHP with a few bolt-on's is not pretty awesome - or picking up a 2.2L Kenne Bell and making a reliable 600 RWHP 24/7. Mine's my daily driver with 516 RWHP.
Granted, they should have made some bigger engines for the Stangs, they've always been behind Chevy until the '03/'04 Cobra - but even then the C5 Z06 was quite a bit faster stock, however a pullied Cobra can put a few cars on a stock one.
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you'd be surprised. they do however suck in the wet weather.
i know how they handle. drive em, remember? :D
No I wouldn't be surprised, they are pretty heavy and just don't handle that great and they are kinda slow. The tuner guys in their Cobalts and STI's won't bother me, the guys in custom rods give a friendly nod, it's always some fool in a new Mustang that somehow thinks because he's got an SVT badge or Cobra badging that he's king poop and he needs to launch faster than me then cut in front of me.. I try to eschew street racing but every once in a while I put one in its' place. Too bad too, I like the looks of the new Mustangs. They seem to attract the car enthusiasts with the least common sense, though. Not every red light is a race.
I'll admit though, there's nothing like getting on an on-ramp with some mustang poser who is trying to impress his girlfriend. It's only happened to me a couple of times but the evil boy in me can't help but give them hope and let them edge in front a little before I shut the door on them.
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No I wouldn't be surprised, they are pretty heavy and just don't handle that great and they are kinda slow. The tuner guys in their Cobalts and STI's won't bother me, the guys in custom rods give a friendly nod, it's always some fool in a new Mustang that somehow thinks because he's got an SVT badge or Cobra badging that he's king poop and he needs to launch faster than me then cut in front of me.. I try to eschew street racing but every once in a while I put one in its' place. Too bad too, I like the looks of the new Mustangs. They seem to attract the car enthusiasts with the least common sense, though. Not every red light is a race.
I'll admit though, there's nothing like getting on an on-ramp with some mustang poser who is trying to impress his girlfriend. It's only happened to me a couple of times but the evil boy in me can't help but give them hope and let them edge in front a little before I shut the door on them.
what you state above is part of why the drivetrain of my 89 didn't go into another stang when mine got totaled. it's in a much ugleir car than an 89 mustang could ever be......a 78 fairmont futura. :rofl
the new styled stangs i think are aimed at us older guys......as are the camaros, challengers, and chargers. i thnk that's why they went retro.
ALSO...........
don't take me wrong.....GE seemed as if he took it a bit personal....i was NOT putting vettes down.
was only stating my opinions, with a couple facts thrown in there. :aok
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what you state above is part of why the drivetrain of my 89 didn't go into another stang when mine got totaled. it's in a much ugleir car than an 89 mustang could ever be......a 78 fairmont futura. :rofl
the new styled stangs i think are aimed at us older guys......as are the camaros, challengers, and chargers. i thnk that's why they went retro.
ALSO...........
don't take me wrong.....GE seemed as if he took it a bit personal....i was NOT putting vettes down.
was only stating my opinions, with a couple facts thrown in there. :aok
Well the retro looks just seem more ..... appropriate for a sports car. The new GTO dind't have a sports car look and it failed.
The new charger is an abomination, IMHO. Guys buy it.... then mistake it for a sports car.... it's a sedan.
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Well the retro looks just seem more ..... appropriate for a sports car. The new GTO dind't have a sports car look and it failed.
The new charger is an abomination, IMHO. Guys buy it.... then mistake it for a sports car.... it's a sedan.
YA, THAT IS KINDA FUNNY........
you're right about the goat. it kinda looks like a big neon.............the charger ugly...challenger......very nice.......
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Cretins, the lot of you.
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n277/1bronk1/DSCF0594.jpg)
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n277/1bronk1/DSCF0600.jpg)
:D
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Cretins, the lot of you.
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n277/1bronk1/DSCF0594.jpg)
(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n277/1bronk1/DSCF0600.jpg)
:D
very nice. i like the 67 though. :D
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You can get an '02 Camaro SS for under $10,000 if you shop around. It'll beat any production mustang ever built (excluding those limited production runs that cost more than a Z06 vette) on a track and will beat any mustang under $50,000 on the dragstrip. It handles better than any mustang, gets better gas mileage, goes faster, has a bulletproof engine, and can be modded with minimal effort to go MUCH faster for not much money, and it'll still be more drivable than a mustang that costs 5 or 6 times as much.
As Grayeagle says though, for an American sports car you can't beat a vette. Even a used vette is going to drive better than any other new American car built today, from a performance perspective.
If you want some REAL fun though, get a used miata and pay a speed shop to drop a V8 or supercharger into it. There is one shop that is pushing 200mph in a miata and it still weighs less than a vette and handles about as good. I think "monster miata" started the trend by dropping the old 5.0L mustang engine into a miata, but there are a few places doing the mods now with lots of interesting options. You can start with a $6000 miata and $15k later have a sleeper that will suck the doors off of Grayeagle's vette. Of course, the miata will probably redline around 150mph because the mazda engineers have confirmed that the miata simply isn't stable above about 140-150 so the speed shops usually won't gear them tall enough to go any faster than that. My Dad considered a V8 mod for his miata (he has both a 10th anniversary miata and a beautiful electric blue Z06 vette) but he settled on a $4,000 supercharger package that merely doubled the miata's power while grossly fattening the usable torque curve. It used to be really fun to drive, now it's really fun to drive and FAST.
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haha wow Ive started a monster! I may be on crack but I think I saw a pre production Camaro the other day. I go to school up in AZ by Sedona and there is this Hwy called 89A, its pretty nice. I hear that it sometimes draws car makers for handling and streetability tests since its a 3 or 4k ft climb, twisty, not realy busy, and terribly paved. I would have turned around but I had class.
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very nice. i like the 67 though. :D
Pfft cretin. ;)
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There's a light blue Miata runnin around here in Phx area with an LS-3 motor in it .. 430hp when it was stock ..it isn't stock I hear.
Cap .. I didn't take it personal at all :)
I enjoy the chat.
I knew a guy way back when that stuffed a Cleveland into a 65 Mustang fastback in Tucson.
That car was just amazin to watch .. he was havin problems puttin a big enough tire behind it.
He went by my L-88 Chevelle one night like I was stopped... and the Chebby was no slouch.
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/1grayeagle/old%20days/runnin_the_valves.jpg)
runnin the valves ..they just sounded so good afterward .. for about a week :)
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/1grayeagle/old%20days/smchebbelle.jpg)
ya .. they guy in the blue shirt is me.. it was a long .. longlong time ago :)
-GE aka Frank
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Regarding mustangs vs. anything else...
Look at the SCCA autocross PAX ratings for F-Stock and Super-Stock. Cars like the mustang, camaro, certain non-turbo imports (like non-turbo 300z), and other v8 cars are typically in F-Stock. The Vette is in Super Stock. Only the stangs and camaros with big mods end up in super stock, and they are simply not competitive against the vettes. In F-Stock, look at the national results, and you see that every year for the last 10 years, there hasn't been a mustang anywhere near the top 10. Again, there is not a stock mustang that is competitive against even a 1998 camaro Z-28 unless it is a limited run model, and even then they're not nearly as fast as an equal-price vette.
The SCCA results are definitive - these are real drivers of ALL skill levels, driving each of these cars on a variety of tracks to the limit of the cars. Some of these guys have been racing their daily driver for years, so you can bet that they are getting every millisecond out of the car. And the mustangs simply do not match up against anything comparable if handling is part of the contest.
In my very first SCCA autocross event, a very experienced mustang driver was racing against me in my brand new trans-am. I beat him in my very first race on the first day of the race weekend. The next day, he offered free driving lessons in exchange for co-driving my car. He won the event driving my car. There is no comparison on a real track between a stock mustang and stock f-body, even today. If you don't believe me, check the SCCA solo2 rulebook and vehicle classification guide and nationals results.
Of course, a well driven miata is about as fast as a mustang in solo2 competition... Just ask Andy Hollis :)
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Regarding mustangs vs. anything else...
Look at the SCCA autocross PAX ratings for F-Stock and Super-Stock. Cars like the mustang, camaro, certain non-turbo imports (like non-turbo 300z), and other v8 cars are typically in F-Stock. The Vette is in Super Stock. Only the stangs and camaros with big mods end up in super stock, and they are simply not competitive against the vettes. In F-Stock, look at the national results, and you see that every year for the last 10 years, there hasn't been a mustang anywhere near the top 10. Again, there is not a stock mustang that is competitive against even a 1998 camaro Z-28 unless it is a limited run model, and even then they're not nearly as fast as an equal-price vette.
The SCCA results are definitive - these are real drivers of ALL skill levels, driving each of these cars on a variety of tracks to the limit of the cars. Some of these guys have been racing their daily driver for years, so you can bet that they are getting every millisecond out of the car. And the mustangs simply do not match up against anything comparable if handling is part of the contest.
In my very first SCCA autocross event, a very experienced mustang driver was racing against me in my brand new trans-am. I beat him in my very first race on the first day of the race weekend. The next day, he offered free driving lessons in exchange for co-driving my car. He won the event driving my car. There is no comparison on a real track between a stock mustang and stock f-body, even today. If you don't believe me, check the SCCA solo2 rulebook and vehicle classification guide and nationals results.
Of course, a well driven miata is about as fast as a mustang in solo2 competition... Just ask Andy Hollis :)
1982 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 305 auto 3.23 165@4200 240@2400 9.4 17.13@80.70mph MT 1/82
1982 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 305 auto 3.23 165@4200 240@2400 7.9 16.0@85mph CD 1/82
1982 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 305 auto 3.23 165@4200 240@2400 9.7 17.5@80mph RT 1/82
1982 Ford Mustang GT 302 4 spd 3.08 157@4200 240@2400 8.0 16.3@n/a RT 1/82
1982 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 305 auto 3.23 165@4200 240@2400 8.8 16.75@80.50mph MT 1/82
1982 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 305 auto 3.23 165@4200 240@2400 9.2 17.0@80.5mph R&T 9/82
1985 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 305 AOD n/a 215@4400 275@3200 6.8 15.30@89.1mph MT 10/84
1985 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 305 AOD 3.42 215@4400 275@3200 7.0 15.2@91mph C&D 10/84
1985 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 305 AOD 3.27 215@4400 275@3200 6.9 15.30@89.1mph MT 10/84
1985 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 4bbl L69 305 5 spd 3.73 190@4800 240@3200 7.5 15.4@90mph C&D 10/84
1985 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 4bbl L69 305 5 spd 3.73 190@4800 240@3200 6.8 15.32@89.6 mph MT 7/85
1985 Ford Mustang GT 302 5 spd 2.73 210@4600 265@3400 7.1 15.51@89.7mph MT 10/84
1985 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 305 AOD 3.27 205@4400 270@3200 7.7 16.07@84.5mph MT 10/84
1985 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 4bbl L69 305 5 spd 3.73 190@4800 240@2400 7.6 15.6@87mph C&D 4/85
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 350 AOD 3.27 230@4000 330@3200 6.6 15.23@91.2mph MT 11/89
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 305 5 spd 3.08 215@4400 295@3200 6.6 14.9@95mph R&T 4/87
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 Conv 305 AOD 3.23 190@4000 285@2800 8.1 16.45@85.1mph MT 11/86
1987 Chevrolet Corvette 350 AOD 3.07 240@4000 345@3200 6.7 15.32@90.8mph MT 11/89
1987 Ford Mustang GT 302 5 spd n/a 225@4200 300@3200 6.5 15.13@94.1mph MT 11/89
1987 Pontiac Firebird Formula 305 5 spd 3.27 205@4400 285@3200 7.7 16.09@87.6mph MT 11/86
1987 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GTA 350 AOD 3.27 210@4400 320@2800 6.8 15.35@91.6mph MT 6/87
1987 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GTA 350 AOD 3.27 210@4400 320@2800 6.9 15.36@91.7mph MT 11/89
1987 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GTA 350 AOD 2.73 210@4000 315@3200 7.1 15.5@89.5mph
1988 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 350 AOD 3.27 235@4200 335@3400 7.2 15.67@91.6mph MT 9/88
1988 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 305 5 spd 3.08 215@4400 295@3200 6.6 14.9@95mph Perf Cars 1988
1988 Chevrolet Camaro, Chevy Raceshop 454 454 AOD 3.27 400@5600 420@3600 5.5 14.0@102mph MT 1/91
1988 Chevrolet Corvette 350 4 spd n/a 245@4300 340@3200 6.5 15.04@93.6MPH MT 9/88
1988 Ford Mustang GT 302 5 spd 3.08 230@4200 310@3300 7.1 15.60@91.5mph MT 9/88
1988 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GTA 350 AOD 2.73 225@4200 330@3200 7.3 15.88@90mph MT 7/88
1988 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GTA 350 AOD 3.27 220@4400 330@3000 7.6 16.08@90.2mph MT 9/88
1988 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GTA 350 AOD n/a 210@4400 315@3200 7.1 15.5@89.5mph
1989 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 350 AOD 3.27 230@4000 330@3200 6.9 15.54@91.7mph MT 1/88
1989 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 Conv 305 AOD 2.73 195@4000 295@2800 7.8 16.28@84.31mph MT 11/89
1989 Chevrolet Camaro, Chevy Raceshop 350 5 spd 3.45 345@5000 380@3600 5.2 13.7@103.3mph MT 1/91
1989 Chevrolet Corvette 350 6 spd 3.42 245@4300 340@3200 6.4 15.02@94.6mph MT 5/89
1989 Chevrolet Corvette 350 6 spd 3.54 240@4000 335@3200 5.6 14.46@95.27mph MT 11/89
1989 Chevrolet Corvette Callaway TT 350 6 spd 3.54 382@4250 562@2500 4.4 12.9@111mph C&D 5/89
1989 Ford Mustang GT 302 5 spd 2.73 225@4000 300@3200 7.2 15.77@92.8 MT 1/88
1989 Ford Mustang LX 302 5 spd 3.08 225@4200 300@3200 6.6 15.38@91.52mph MT 11/89
1989 Ford Mustang Saleen SC 302 5 spd 3.55 292@5200 327@3500 5.9 14.2@98mph C&D 5/89
1989 Pontiac Firebird Formula 305 5 spd 3.08 215@4000 285@3200 7.5 15.95@88.5mph MT 1/88
1989 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 20th Ann 231 AOD 3.27 250@4300 340@2800 5.4 14.18@95.8mph MT 3/89
1989 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 20th Ann 231 AOD 3.27 250@4000 340@2800 5.1 14.18@98.86mph MT 11/89
1989 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GTA 350 AOD 3.27 235@440 325@2400 6.5 15.40@90.28mph
HERE'S THE LINK
http://www.cobranet.com/roadtest.htm
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1990 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 1LE 305 5 spd 3.42 230@4400 300@3200 6.3 14.8@95.4mph MT 6/90
1990 Chevrolet Camaro IROC Z28 1LE 350 AOD 3.23 245@4400 345@3200 6.1 14.8@96mph MT 6/90
1990 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 350 6 spd 3.42 380@6200 370@4200 4.7 13.13@110mph MT 6/89
1990 Ford Mustang GT Roush Twin Turbo 351 5 spd 3.55 375@5200 390@3500 5.8 14.5@100.7mph MT 1/91
1991 Ford Mustang LX 302 5 spd 3.08 225@4200 300@3200 6.2 14.8@96mph
JUST to kick more dirt around, since some of you are taking this too personally......
note that the iroc with a 350 and 3.23 rear is onl the same performance as the 302 stang with a 3.08 rear.
in the one i just did previously, also note that the firebirds with the BUICK turbo engines hammered both the stang AND the camaro. :D
BTW, a buddy here in joisey has a GN for sale...it'll need restoring, but it was a 10 second street car. he blew the tranny, and parked it.
anyone interested, pm me, and i'll get ya his contact info.
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Those appear to be dragstrip times CAP... I never said that you couldn't make a mustang go fast in a straight line. Also note that in 1998 the camaro/firebird got a brand new engine that took nearly 10 years to be matched by ford. Your data conveniently stops just before the LT-1 f-bodies that hit the street around 1994. I think that most enthusiasts would agree that the pre-1994 f-body was somewhat outmatched by the mustang, but it's no contest after 1994 until the f-body production ended. Plus, you just can't make mustangs turn. Even the newest ones handle like crap compared to post-1994 f-bodies or any vette made in the last 12 years, and that's the only point I'm making here. When trying to compare mustangs to vettes you said stangs handle great in addition to going fast in a straight line, and I'm saying nope.
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Those appear to be dragstrip times CAP... I never said that you couldn't make a mustang go fast in a straight line. Also note that in 1998 the camaro/firebird got a brand new engine that took nearly 10 years to be matched by ford. Your data conveniently stops just before the LT-1 f-bodies that hit the street around 1994. I think that most enthusiasts would agree that the pre-1994 f-body was somewhat outmatched by the mustang, but it's no contest after 1994 until the f-body production ended. Plus, you just can't make mustangs turn. Even the newest ones handle like crap compared to post-1994 f-bodies or any vette made in the last 12 years, and that's the only point I'm making here. When trying to compare mustangs to vettes you said stangs handle great in addition to going fast in a straight line, and I'm saying nope.
no..i only stopped there as i as making it too long. at the bottom, i posted the link to where i got it.
and it's the same as i've said in the past.....79 to about 93 or so, stangs were always quicker. then ford had a serious brainfart, and slowed em down, while chevy made the camaros faster.
also, think my words were something like decent handling?
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Quote from: superpug1 on October 06, 2008, 10:54:15 AM
Seeing as politics is verboten, lets talk about the next best thing, cars!
I am going to field training next summer and as kind of an atta boy my whole family is pitching in to help me get a new car. So far I like the idea of getting a new Camaro SS (black, 6 spd, LS3, teh sexxy pretty much), but thats the stratosphere of my price cap. If thats not attainable I was thinking 4 door cobalt ss tc. If not that then maybe a nice use 911. Anyone had any personal experience with the last two? Any ideas other than the mentioned?
""ferget the camaro. it's pretty, but just a copy....once again.
go for a mustang gt. good looking, fast, good handling, and somewhat affordable. ""
theres my original post. was comparin it to a camaro, not a vette....someone else brought the vettes in, then i started the comparisons to vettes. :D :D
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Wow...talk about helplessly myopic.
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Lowered?
pxdig's car needs bigger wheels or needs to be lowered.
Bigger wheels are for kids in hondas with hugh mufflers!! the bigger the rim the more weight you put on the tire the more speed you loose for what? "pimping a ride" no thanks.
Lowering the car affects both the driveability and the manuverablity (those in AH should appreciate the latter) so lowering it is a strict NO.
As far as the mustang vs Vette discussion,
I an a HUGE mustang fan, but I will admit that the Vette is obviously the better sports car. It has better cornering, acceleration, etc. but then again you can get a loaded Mustang GT for about $30k, a vette would be twice as much, it would not have a back seat or a decent trunk, and the mechanical reliability is hightly questionable.
All things taken into account, Mustang is the only way to go....
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Bigger wheels are for kids in hondas with hugh mufflers!! the bigger the rim the more weight you put on the tire the more speed you loose for what? "pimping a ride" no thanks.
Lowering the car affects both the driveability and the manuverablity (those in AH should appreciate the latter) so lowering it is a strict NO.
As far as the mustang vs Vette discussion,
I an a HUGE mustang fan, but I will admit that the Vette is obviously the better sports car. It has better cornering, acceleration, etc. but then again you can get a loaded Mustang GT for about $30k, a vette would be twice as much, it would not have a back seat or a decent trunk, and the mechanical reliability is hightly questionable.
All things taken into account, Mustang is the only way to go....
Wow, you are wrong on so many fronts, that I don't know where to start. I guess I'll just leave it at your car looks like a roller skate with those tiny little wheels. Now I'll be done with you since you are beyond redemption. Bye.
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Bigger wheels are for kids in hondas with hugh mufflers!! the bigger the rim the more weight you put on the tire the more speed you loose for what? "pimping a ride" no thanks.
Lowering the car affects both the driveability and the manuverablity (those in AH should appreciate the latter) so lowering it is a strict NO.
As far as the mustang vs Vette discussion,
I an a HUGE mustang fan, but I will admit that the Vette is obviously the better sports car. It has better cornering, acceleration, etc. but then again you can get a loaded Mustang GT for about $30k, a vette would be twice as much, it would not have a back seat or a decent trunk, and the mechanical reliability is hightly questionable.
All things taken into account, Mustang is the only way to go....
actually, as much as i like my mustangs, i do not believe there to be any reliability problems with the vettes
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Well.. pug was lookin for ideas.
Lotta folks dont consider the Vette because they think they are unobtainable, when in fact .. they are very much available, in all kindsa performance levels. I know I never looked twice at 'em for decades, I just wasnt interested in a 2 seater.
I was very much surprised when we got our first Vette. It just blew me away on so many levels.
I got a pretty good laugh outta that post above about 'no trunk' .. ROFL.
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/1grayeagle/Mt%20Lemmon%2010%20may%2008/IMG_0753.jpg)
On a C5 or C6 coupe ..that whole back glass area back there opens up.
I mean.
Just how much trunk do you need?
The rims are CnC cut aluminum, chromed, from Halibrand.
They weigh less than the stock ones that were on it.
They are the stock sizes that came on the car.
The back tires are an inch and a half wider than stock, and they still dont hook very well,
..but a lot better than the run flats that were on it.
Ya, the car is lowered, about as far as I can go without gettin caught on gravel bits :)
With the Z-51 suspension, it handles like a frik-kin go cart.
Even moreso lowered.
Lowering a car, with a decent suspension, decent size tires,
does in fact make it corner better due to lower roll center, CG, less suspension reaction time
.. trade off is it does ride a bit harsh..if the road is bumpy, it's bumpy,
..then again .. it's not a Cadillac. -evil grin-)
I've never driven a car that has such a secure feeling on the highway,
..it goes exactly where I point it right when I point it there.
Then again ... never driven a Porche 911 .. I imagine it would be similar, if underpowered.
(we have Porche clubs accompany us on runs now an then ..
..they bring up the rear on any of our hi-speed runs thru the twisties,
..the Z06's are up front, usually coupla miles out there across the desert in no time.)
That's just real world tho.
They may not want to get sideways thru the corners like some of our club members do :)
..because we can.
-Frank aka GE
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Bigger wheels are for kids in hondas with hugh mufflers!! the bigger the rim the more weight you put on the tire the more speed you loose for what? "pimping a ride" no thanks.
Unsprung weight is a factor if you intend to put ridiculously large wheels on a car. Beyond that, weight is more affected by material than size. I had 19"s on my 03 M3 that weighed less than the stock 18"s and increased the contact patch at the same time.
In a straight line, you will lose some of the ability to play with tire pressures, but on a road course, a high profile tire and its propensity to deform under heavy lateral G's will hurt you more than any additional weight will - if it even exists in the first place.
Lowering the car affects both the driveability and the manuverablity (those in AH should appreciate the latter) so lowering it is a strict NO.
Reducing ride height does change the driving dynamics of any car, yes, but a lower center of gravity is always better than a higher center of gravity and the change, if done properly, will almost always improve cornering speeds.
Now, we're not talking some punk cutting the springs on his Civic. Full coilovers, camber plates, roll bars, arms, etc, etc - adjusted properly to work in conjunction with each other, depending on your needs, will always trump whatever factory garbage was in there when you bought it (any car).
The only thing that will suffer is your front lip if you go into a parking garage too quickly.
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Nah, You Need One Of These.
(http://api.ning.com/files/fzr8HaZlgxwoeOMeR*64ljnHuz7yDvdY-8d9S7F1r8crkwD3hHxQQ9CEipfVhfBrT29pdX5kEtQa-gfWvyL*M3otuLsQF9E6/VW_Bus_T11.jpg)
O-Right
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Whoa....far out, man!
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Welp...We own a 2007 Mustang convertible. I can tell you that we really like it. But....It handles quite well for a heavy car, but it is not a nimble ballerina. No, it's more like a large girl at a Polka me-thinks. Twirls okay but gets a little sloppy at the edges :D
We do like the car however, but then again we are old. ;)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a207/RTR421/Mustang001.jpg)
Cheers,
RTR
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Unsprung weight is a factor if you intend to put ridiculously large wheels on a car. Beyond that, weight is more affected by material than size. I had 19"s on my 03 M3 that weighed less than the stock 18"s and increased the contact patch at the same time.
In a straight line, you will lose some of the ability to play with tire pressures, but on a road course, a high profile tire and its propensity to deform under heavy lateral G's will hurt you more than any additional weight will - if it even exists in the first place.
Reducing ride height does change the driving dynamics of any car, yes, but a lower center of gravity is always better than a higher center of gravity and the change, if done properly, will almost always improve cornering speeds.
Now, we're not talking some punk cutting the springs on his Civic. Full coilovers, camber plates, roll bars, arms, etc, etc - adjusted properly to work in conjunction with each other, depending on your needs, will always trump whatever factory garbage was in there when you bought it (any car).
The only thing that will suffer is your front lip if you go into a parking garage too quickly.
Amazing how everyone knows better and is more informed than automotive engineers! so, I should get bigger wheels, so the car ends up sitting higher then drop it so it can sit lower, makes sense :rolleyes:?
Bigger wheels may add some rubber to the road but dont kid yourself this is more than offset by the additional weight. Bigger wheels are mostly for looks, if your into that type of thing which I am not, and since it is my car that is the end of that suggestion.
I said that dropping the car affects the manuverabltiy and drivability. this is correct. Although it can improve cornering charactericts (hence changing the manuverablity) this is only a significant plus if your going to do very hard cornering. I do 1/4 mile, so it does nothing for me. It does affect drivablity in that the comfort of the daily drive is significantly affected. Since I drive my pony everyday, this is not an opption for me.
Now, anything else? anyone want me to put on fuzzy dice or maybe a big airbrush painting of elvis on the hood?? :rock
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Amazing how everyone knows better and is more informed than automotive engineers! so, I should get bigger wheels, so the car ends up sitting higher then drop it so it can sit lower, makes sense :rolleyes:? actually, i get to spend my days fixing automotive engineers screw ups. and trust me, they make more than any of you know.
that being said, i completley disagree with the big wheels thing. todays cars are too sensitive. you will change the suspension geometry, and will find that you'll lose a bit of handling, the car will ride like crap, due to less sidewall, and you will wear those tires out ungodly fast. work with better rate springs, shocks, and/or struts, anti-roll bars, and better tires. stiffen the car up. again, you'd be surprised how much your car flexes.
Bigger wheels may add some rubber to the road but dont kid yourself this is more than offset by the additional weight. Bigger wheels are mostly for looks, if your into that type of thing which I am not, and since it is my car that is the end of that suggestion.
I said that dropping the car affects the manuverabltiy and drivability. this is correct. Although it can improve cornering charactericts (hence changing the manuverablity) this is only a significant plus if your going to do very hard cornering. I do 1/4 mile, so it does nothing for me. It does affect drivablity in that the comfort of the daily drive is significantly affected. Since I drive my pony everyday, this is not an opption for me.generally, when you lower a car for handling, the only time you're really gonna feel inprovement will be pushing to extremes....like in an autocross. you'll never ever need or use it in day to day driving. also..refer up to the previous comment.
Now, anything else? anyone want me to put on fuzzy dice or maybe a big airbrush painting of elvis on the hood?? :rockhow's about a nice set of flames? :D
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I still have my Honda S2000, but I sold my hot rod Suzuki and bought my third Jeep in August. Unlike my wild 63' CJ-5 (Buick 231ci Turbo, T-10 4-speed, Roll cage 2.5" suspension lift, 2" body lift, 36" Cepeks. Warn winch, custom tube bumpers, Rancho shocks and damper) or my 1992 YJ Wrangler (5 speed, 1.5" suspension lift, 30" BFGs), this one is new and unmodified, except for a better steering damper. A set of 32" BFG Mud Terrain T/A KMs waits in the garage for a new set of wheels, due early next week. I currently have factory installed 32" Goodyear Wranglers, which aren't quite up to the adventures I have planned. Ok for general use and moderate 4 wheeling, they don't bite well or self-clean well in mud. Optioned well, it's about 95% of a Rubicon (less the Locker D44 front axle, 4.10 gears and the 4:1 crawl ratio T/C, which I don't need) for $4k less. I have the Dana 30 front axle (slightly smaller ring gear than the Dana 44) and the Dana 44 Trac-Loc rear axle with 3.73 gears. I'm not into rock crawling... However, with a 2" lift, it could handle a 10 rated trail without difficulty, as long as you don't mind some battle scars to the rock rails and skid plates.
My neighbor just bought a loaded Hummer H3. Fire sale pricing, he got it for $13k under MSRP. It's nice, but I'd rather have my JK Wrangler. When he claimed the H3 was as good off road as my JK, I reminded him that the Hummer is just the box they ship Jeeps in....
Anyway, here's the new JK Wrangler parked on a scenic trail.
(http://home.att.net/~c.c.jordan/JK-WoodsTrail.jpg)
My regards,
Widewing
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One of the reasons why I went from 16" to 18" is because it makes the car look lowered when in fact it is not. I was already leery of ground clearance with the stock stance but I wanted to fill in the wheel wells as well make it appear to be lowered. Before and after:
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g308/txflood77598/P1000917-1.jpg)
(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g308/txflood77598/P1010040a.jpg)
I did notice a difference in braking due to the higher unsprung weight of the wheels but that can be corrected with better pads and rotors. On the plus side the handling did get noticeably better, the ride was firmed up (which is what I wanted but it's not 'vette-like teeth rattling firm) and the higher rolling resistance of the low profile tires kept the MPG at the same of not higher level than the stock wheels. It all depends on what you are looking for. The main thing for me was tightening the handling and filling in the wheel wells.
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LOL,, 'automotive engineers' live in a world of compromises, federal rules, and upper management demands.
It's a wonder that anything with any performance is available at all.
Heck of a nice 'vert Mustang, color and wheel combo really make it.
I'm old, too .. and I love hangin the back out a bit comin out of a corner addin throttle with a bit of countersteer.
Especially if there is some love muffin biker right on my 6 thinkin he can hang.. ROFL.
(had some rice rocket aka UJM leave a peice of his plastic behind today tryin to hang on goin onto the onramp today ..he's real lucky he didnt dump it.. he lit the peg up pretty good scrapin it.)
-Frank aka GE
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if i were gonna spend 40k on a vehicle of some sort, i'm buying a cessna.,...........
And you'll still be going slower than most things in the pattern :lol
Amazing how everyone knows better and is more informed than automotive engineers! so, I should get bigger wheels, so the car ends up sitting higher then drop it so it can sit lower, makes sense :rolleyes:?
Bigger wheels may add some rubber to the road but dont kid yourself this is more than offset by the additional weight. Bigger wheels are mostly for looks, if your into that type of thing which I am not, and since it is my car that is the end of that suggestion.
I said that dropping the car affects the manuverabltiy and drivability. this is correct. Although it can improve cornering charactericts (hence changing the manuverablity) this is only a significant plus if your going to do very hard cornering. I do 1/4 mile, so it does nothing for me. It does affect drivablity in that the comfort of the daily drive is significantly affected. Since I drive my pony everyday, this is not an opption for me.
Now, anything else? anyone want me to put on fuzzy dice or maybe a big airbrush painting of elvis on the hood?? :rock
px you are correct on a couple of points, though you could have gone a little further.
Unsprung weight will bite you if you are not careful with your wheel choice.
Anything less than a 40% profile is completely useless for road use and are strictly for show. (I wish I had a dollar for every 20" I've seen with serious buckles) I run 17" in a 45% profile on lightweight rims that around half the weight of the standard 15" items.
Lowering will also bite you if you allow your roll centre to get too low. So many kids want their rides to be so low it's ridiculous.
If your roll centre gets too low the handling of the vehicle is seriously compromised. My vehicle is lowered 20mm however I have also fitted special lowered shocks and specifically engineered lower ball joints to maintain the roll centre.
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I'm seriously considering purchasing a '01 M5 e39. Always been in love with this car.
(http://www.gt40se.com/bmwm5/bmwm51.jpg)
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I still have my Honda S2000
now that is a truly great engine :aok (the rest of its not too bad either :))
my father ran a e39 530SE for a couple of years, all round the best car ive ever driven. that chassis can easily cope with 400hp, so yes find a good M5 and buy it!
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And you'll still be going slower than most things in the pattern :
true, very true......but i can get places faster than by car.....like ocean city md in an hour or so, ocean city nj 35 minutes, cape may nj 40 minutes.......that's in an older one in the club.
but most of all.......i'm in the air.
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I used to be a Ford Man, but since I bought my current car I am a believer. I have an '03 SAAB 95 Aero. Sport/Luxury, the best of both worlds. Turbo 4 cylinder cause the 6 isn't that great. It's a friggin jet on wheels.
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I used to be a Ford Man, but since I bought my current car I am a believer. I have an '03 SAAB 95 Aero. Sport/Luxury, the best of both worlds. Turbo 4 cylinder cause the 6 isn't that great. It's a friggin jet on wheels.
aaahhhh......
just another sob....eerrrr......saab story :rofl :aok
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I bought this car not to long ago. Spent some money on rims/tires and a few things to make it look better. Still have under 11k$ in it and it runs, looks, and turns heads just fine.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/jake_94pgt/Picture010.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/jake_94pgt/Picture011.jpg)
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generally, when you lower a car for handling, the only time you're really gonna feel inprovement will be pushing to extremes....like in an autocross. you'll never ever need or use it in day to day driving. also..refer up to the previous comment
Good stuff. You admit that it can improve performance. As for extremes... wel that's what we're talking about... performance.... not driving miss daisy. PXDIG is clueless. He drives his car in the 1/4... any tard knows sticker, wider tires would give him a better launch than the roller skate wheels hehas on it. Also, I suggested lowering it a bit for asthetics. I think his current set up looks like crap.
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I Still Say The Bus Is Better
It Has A Whopping 44 Horses!!!
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Good stuff. You admit that it can improve performance. As for extremes... wel that's what we're talking about... performance.... not driving miss daisy. PXDIG is clueless. He drives his car in the 1/4... any tard knows sticker, wider tires would give him a better launch than the roller skate wheels hehas on it. Also, I suggested lowering it a bit for asthetics. I think his current set up looks like crap.
Steve, steve, steve, why do I even bother with you. When I take my car to the local shine n show, i regularly have people taking pictures of it. I get more compliments on this car than I do on my Harley, although you would say that the Harley needs spinner rims and be lowered, (how cool!!) you critize my car, my taste, and my driving. Lets see your car? you have an old blue vet on your avatar, put up a couple of pics of that midlife crisis machine. Or better yet lets see your mini van. I am guessing you have a mini van since you would need at least that much head room to fit that retarded looking freak of a kid. Didn't I see your kid in "the lord of the rings" you know the freak character, the smeegle one.
Ill make you a deal, I will lower my car 4 inches if you lower your kids freakish head 4 inches, how about it???
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Uncool man. Totally uncool.
Feel free to attack Steve (he secretly loves it :lol ) but leave his kids out of it ok?
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Here's the suspension package I am getting soon!
MM Road and Track Box - For 02-04 GT Coupe
MM developed the Road & Track Box into the ultimate extension of the stock-typ suspension. Motor Trend confirmed the amazing handling ability of this package when they tested it for the December, 1998 issue of 5.0 Mustang. A 1990 LX Mustang equipped with the Road & Track Box tied for the 3rd fastest slalom speed ever recorded by Motor Trend. The Road & Track Box includes the following parts. Items different from the Sport Box are italicized.
The Road & Track Box includes the following parts:
MM Strut Tower Brace
MM 4-Point K-Member Brace
MM Full Length Subframe Connectors
MM Panhard Bar with Aluminum Rod
MM Heavy-duty Rear Lower Control Arms
MM Road & Track Springs
Bilstein HD front struts
Bilstein HD rear shocks
MM Caster/Camber Plates
MM Urethane Pinion Snubber
Front spring isolators
Rear spring isolators
Solid Steering Shaft
MM Aluminum Rack Bushings, center drilled
Front Swaybar bushings
Front Swaybar end link bushing kit
Front control arm bushings, urethane
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Good handling vette here!!! Hehe Steve: :t
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYmmcdN_qLU
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Steve, steve, steve, why do I even bother with you. When I take my car to the local shine n show, i regularly have people taking pictures of it. I get more compliments on this car than I do on my Harley, although you would say that the Harley needs spinner rims and be lowered, (how cool!!) you critize my car, my taste, and my driving. Lets see your car? you have an old blue vet on your avatar, put up a couple of pics of that midlife crisis machine. Or better yet lets see your mini van. I am guessing you have a mini van since you would need at least that much head room to fit that retarded looking freak of a kid. Didn't I see your kid in "the lord of the rings" you know the freak character, the smeegle one.
Ill make you a deal, I will lower my car 4 inches if you lower your kids freakish head 4 inches, how about it???
That's even beyond ad hominem. You, sir, are a loser of the lowest level. Have a nice life dickhead.
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pxdig,
Totally uncool. You ought to edit your post and apologize. As in do it now. Attacking some guy's kids, even on the internet, is pretty damn low and cowardly.
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Good stuff. You admit that it can improve performance. As for extremes... wel that's what we're talking about... performance.... not driving miss daisy. PXDIG is clueless. He drives his car in the 1/4... any tard knows sticker, wider tires would give him a better launch than the roller skate wheels hehas on it. Also, I suggested lowering it a bit for asthetics. I think his current set up looks like crap.
yes, i do.......i try to keep my perspective on these discussions....and don't like when/if they deteriorisate into arguments.
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Steve, steve, steve, why do I even bother with you. When I take my car to the local shine n show, i regularly have people taking pictures of it. I get more compliments on this car than I do on my Harley, although you would say that the Harley needs spinner rims and be lowered, (how cool!!) you critize my car, my taste, and my driving. Lets see your car? you have an old blue vet on your avatar, put up a couple of pics of that midlife crisis machine. Or better yet lets see your mini van. I am guessing you have a mini van since you would need at least that much head room to fit that retarded looking freak of a kid. Didn't I see your kid in "the lord of the rings" you know the freak character, the smeegle one.
Ill make you a deal, I will lower my car 4 inches if you lower your kids freakish head 4 inches, how about it???
dude.......
why you hafta insult the guys kids???????????
did he really do anythign to you?
seems to me an apology is in order.......like yesterday. or you could do yourself a favor and stop while you're behind.
what do you drive again?
oo......and the harley.......unless it's newer than 96 or so, i imagine you have saddlebags, to carry oil dry in one, and a drip pan in the other......only way i'd own a harley is a newer one....that i can get on and DEPEND on, and never have to work on it....kinda like my honda(ya it's a rice burner, but it's built here). and before you go off on japanese stuff, look at your gauges, and electronics. they're japanese.
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Here's the suspension package I am getting soon!
MM Road and Track Box - For 02-04 GT Coupe
MM developed the Road & Track Box into the ultimate extension of the stock-typ suspension. Motor Trend confirmed the amazing handling ability of this package when they tested it for the December, 1998 issue of 5.0 Mustang. A 1990 LX Mustang equipped with the Road & Track Box tied for the 3rd fastest slalom speed ever recorded by Motor Trend. The Road & Track Box includes the following parts. Items different from the Sport Box are italicized.
The Road & Track Box includes the following parts:
MM Strut Tower Brace
MM 4-Point K-Member Brace
MM Full Length Subframe Connectors
MM Panhard Bar with Aluminum Rod
MM Heavy-duty Rear Lower Control Arms
MM Road & Track Springs
Bilstein HD front struts
Bilstein HD rear shocks
MM Caster/Camber Plates
MM Urethane Pinion Snubber
Front spring isolators
Rear spring isolators
Solid Steering Shaft
MM Aluminum Rack Bushings, center drilled
Front Swaybar bushings
Front Swaybar end link bushing kit
Front control arm bushings, urethane
cool........pics sir!!!!!! please :D
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I posted pics on this thread as a way to share and enjoy the boards. I really dont think that calling my car "crap" and me "clueless" was anything other than an insult that shouldn't have been done by Steve. There seems to be a certain freedom to throw personal insults without even a seconds hesitation. I have personally never thrown the first insult but I do react when I get the virtual slap in the face.
That being said, my post was completely overboard and uncalled for. If Steve acted like a jerk, then I magnified it X 10. I have searched for a way to modify or delete the post but to no luck, my computer might be on its last legs. I completely regret my last post and will send Steve a PM relating this, it was but a knee jerk reaction to a personal insult. Im not making excuses here, I was totally out of control and regret the whole incident. :o
Things are so much easier face to face.
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Good handling vette here!!! Hehe Steve: :t
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYmmcdN_qLU
i like this one...listen to that V8 scream! :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIKz2M0Uao8
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6mEirkQN8o
This one is *cough* .. better.
-GE
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I find most Mustang drivers are like this guy;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpnOqNx3FRE
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Steve, steve, steve, why do I even bother with you. When I take my car to the local shine n show, i regularly have people taking pictures of it. I get more compliments on this car than I do on my Harley, although you would say that the Harley needs spinner rims and be lowered, (how cool!!) you critize my car, my taste, and my driving. Lets see your car? you have an old blue vet on your avatar, put up a couple of pics of that midlife crisis machine. Or better yet lets see your mini van. I am guessing you have a mini van since you would need at least that much head room to fit that retarded looking freak of a kid. Didn't I see your kid in "the lord of the rings" you know the freak character, the smeegle one.
Ill make you a deal, I will lower my car 4 inches if you lower your kids freakish head 4 inches, how about it???
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Steve, steve, steve, why do I even bother with you. When I take my car to the local shine n show, i regularly have people taking pictures of it. I get more compliments on this car than I do on my Harley, although you would say that the Harley needs spinner rims and be lowered, (how cool!!) you critize my car, my taste, and my driving. Lets see your car? you have an old blue vet on your avatar, put up a couple of pics of that midlife crisis machine. Or better yet lets see your mini van. I am guessing you have a mini van since you would need at least that much head room to fit that retarded looking freak of a kid. Didn't I see your kid in "the lord of the rings" you know the freak character, the smeegle one.
Ill make you a deal, I will lower my car 4 inches if you lower your kids freakish head 4 inches, how about it???
Hehehe, wow man. dude, I was just poking a little fun at ya. let me rephrase it for you. I think your car looks great, would look even better if the wheels didn't look small in the wheel well. I'm not talking about 22's here... we all know those look like poop. Maybe 17's. Now, this is just my opinion, so it doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot.
I don't have a mini van though, I have a full sized conversion van that we drive the kids in. Otherwise I drive a very tame Dakota. I'll look for pics of the van, though! :aok
Midlife crisis vette... I've had it for about 15 years... I guess if you want to call it that you can. :)
Here's a couple of pics, fire away!
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/IMG_0175.jpg)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/IMG_0170.jpg)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/IMG_0202.jpg)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/IMG_0176.jpg)
As for my freakish retarded kid, there are actually 4 kids in the avatar. My wife was pregnant with 6 but two didn't make it. This was after years of heartbreak trying to have children. It was tough to have two of our kids die. They were all born 11 weeks early and each one faced life or death illnesses in their first 10 weeks. The docs told us Brenna(the smallest at less than 1 and a half pounds) probably wouldn't make it through her first night. Stacy was already too heart broken and tired to stay with Brenna so I stayed with her every second for the first couple of days, telling her that she had my blood in her and while my family doesn't always have it easy, we never quit, and that she was going to be ok. Brenna made it and has the kindest soul you could ever hope to meet.One of them is slightly autistic, can you guess which one? There, that should give you plenty of ammo for really personal insults.
If this isn't enough, our story will be on TV again tomorrow (Saturday the 11th) at 11:00 On Discovery Health Channel. It's called "The Bailey Multiples"
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/two_and__a_half.jpg)(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/shelbypumpkin.jpg)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/brennapumpkin.jpg)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/johnpumpkin.jpg)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/andrewpumpkin.jpg)
While working on the car one day, Stacy asked me to keep an eye on Brenna:
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/IMG_1519.jpg)
My all time favorite pic of the girls:
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/ShelbyandBrenna.jpg)
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Steve what rubber are you running?
They look a lot like Good Year Eagle F1's
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Steve,
Your kids are gorgeous, don't take any notice of that other dweeb ;)
SD and I also have lost a baby at 24 weeks so we feel your pain.
SD wants to come play in your pumpkin patch, he got all excited when he saw it :rofl
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SD wants to come play in your pumpkin patch, he got all excited when he saw it :rofl
Oh you're sooo gonna get it for that! :devil
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Hehehe, wow man. dude, I was just poking a little fun at ya. let me rephrase it for you. I think your car looks great, would look even better if the wheels didn't look small in the wheel well. I'm not talking about 22's here... we all know those look like poop. Maybe 17's. Now, this is just my opinion, so it doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot.
I don't have a mini van though, I have a full sized conversion van that we drive the kids in. Otherwise I drive a very tame Dakota. I'll look for pics of the van, though! :aok
Midlife crisis vette... I've had it for about 15 years... I guess if you want to call it that you can. :)
Here's a couple of pics, fire away!
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/IMG_0175.jpg)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/IMG_0170.jpg)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/IMG_0202.jpg)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/IMG_0176.jpg)
As for my freakish retarded kid, there are actually 4 kids in the avatar. My wife was pregnant with 6 but two didn't make it. This was after years of heartbreak trying to have children. It was tough to have two of our kids die. They were all born 11 weeks early and each one faced life or death illnesses in their first 10 weeks. The docs told us Brenna(the smallest at less than 1 and a half pounds) probably wouldn't make it through her first night. Stacy was already too heart broken and tired to stay with Brenna so I stayed with her every second for the first couple of days, telling her that she had my blood in her and while my family doesn't always have it easy, we never quit, and that she was going to be ok. Brenna made it and has the kindest soul you could ever hope to meet.One of them is slightly autistic, can you guess which one? There, that should give you plenty of ammo for really personal insults.
If this isn't enough, our story will be on TV again tomorrow (Saturday the 11th) at 11:00 On Discovery Health Channel. It's called "The Bailey Multiples"
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/two_and__a_half.jpg)(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/shelbypumpkin.jpg)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/brennapumpkin.jpg)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/johnpumpkin.jpg)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/andrewpumpkin.jpg)
While working on the car one day, Stacy asked me to keep an eye on Brenna:
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/IMG_1519.jpg)
My all time favorite pic of the girls:
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/AZC4guy/ShelbyandBrenna.jpg)
good lookin car........
did you ever say what engine you had n it before?
oooo/....and check your brake fluid :D
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Steve,
We both know I sent you a PM im which I apologized repeadedly. You choose not to answer me personally and put up a new post that completely ignores both my PM and my last public post. Your choice.
Why would you TWICE quote my regretful post? why would you repost my insults to your kids, which I have apologized for again and again, on TWO seperate postings? :huh
Everyone makes mistakes, some admit to them, few apologize....
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Steve,
We both know I sent you a PM im which I apologized repeadedly. You choose not to answer me personally and put up a new post that completely ignores both my PM and my last public post. Your choice.
Why would you TWICE quote my regretful post? why would you repost my insults to your kids, which I have apologized for again and again, on TWO seperate postings? :huh
Everyone makes mistakes, some admit to them, few apologize....
i read that...gotta give a credit for that.........
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Steve,
We both know I sent you a PM im which I apologized repeadedly. You choose not to answer me personally and put up a new post that completely ignores both my PM and my last public post. Your choice.
Why would you TWICE quote my regretful post? why would you repost my insults to your kids, which I have apologized for again and again, on TWO seperate postings? :huh
Everyone makes mistakes, some admit to them, few apologize....
A: I didn't read your message.
B: It gave me an excuse to post pics of my kids. Do you have kids?
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pxdig I don't know you and I don't know Steve, so what I'm saying comes as a constructive thought to what I've read.
Steve is obviously not happy right now and chooses not to respond. You should leave it at that. What you said made me sick to my stomach and I admire Steve for not taking the low road in any response to you. I personally would have written pages about how despicable your comments were.
Steve is obviously proud of his children or he wouldn't be showing them off to all of us, and for you to attack them because of a comment about your car, an object, was just way beyond anything I would have ever thought I'd see in here.
Many times in these boards I have read things that have made me take a second look, and I just can't help but wonder what some of these folks are like outside the confines of our little world of make believe here. I don't know how old you are or what your life experience is, but I just pray to God that this isn't the way you would react to someone in a face to face issue.
I'm not trying to preach to, or lecture to you. I'm just telling you how I feel. Please don't take this as an attack on you, because it's not.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6mEirkQN8o
This one is *cough* .. better.
-GE
Pffft sled.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sczC1GK30xc
:aok
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No haha, I understand. I've thought about it. I will be 20 by the time I get it. Never had any speeding tickets, wrecks, accidents, parking tickets, I was an A B student in HS and have kept been on the Dean's list every semester so far in college. Plus my insurance is with USAA so my premiums wont be very high.
I know what you meen, one of my friends had a Camaro SS in HS as his first car. He payed out the @55 until he broke it in half. He was luck to walk away from that.
I just love cars and my parents and I are looking at this as kind of a reward for doing well and motivation for continuing to do so. Plus after getting my bellybutton kicked next semester all semester for field training prep and then for 4 weeks 24/7 over the summer I think I deserve somethin more than the 700 the USAF will pay me.
know what could be fun?
http://www.factoryfive.com/
check this site out.
one of their kits is the old ac cobra 427, but designed to use all the mechanics and electronics of a 5.0L mustang.
good handling, pretty quick, FI so it'd give ya decent mileage. only 2 seats and not much trunk though.
the key with this one, is that you'd be different, and not just another mustang, camaro, or corvette. i like them all, but hate being just another of the same ole same ole.
the base kits are pretty affordable, and fairly easy to build. had a customer built one a couple years ago. and he knew nothing about cars when he started.
and best of all......the pride of building your own car!
whatever your choice, though, good luck!
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Let me give you a suggestions: BUY AMERICAN MADE CAR. Sure, you can get a Nissan or Toyota. They have high resale value, good milage but, they are getting to the point of breaking down faster. Cars like Ford last a hell lot longer and you will have a at least five Ford certified mechanic near by. I am near Wichita, Ks. We have one Toyota, Nissan and VW dealership and 10 Ford, GMC dealership.
uummm......nissans and toyotas ARE american made now dude.
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dig, I envy you.
The reliability reports on the new Mustangs have been pretty good. The 3-year report on the 05's indicate no major problems.
I just can't afford 20,000-30,000 for a car. :(
Maybe I can find a used 05 somewhere....
mustangs have been reliable since day one. it's just that the old ones used to rust awa before anyting could break. :rofl
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know what could be fun?
http://www.factoryfive.com/
check this site out.
one of their kits is the old ac cobra 427, but designed to use all the mechanics and electronics of a 5.0L mustang.
good handling, pretty quick, FI so it'd give ya decent mileage. only 2 seats and not much trunk though.
the key with this one, is that you'd be different, and not just another mustang, camaro, or corvette. i like them all, but hate being just another of the same ole same ole.
the base kits are pretty affordable, and fairly easy to build. had a customer built one a couple years ago. and he knew nothing about cars when he started.
and best of all......the pride of building your own car!
whatever your choice, though, good luck!
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These guys had the Mk3 (blue with the white rally stripes) on display at the Providence R.I. airport over the summer. I was there to pick my son up and saw it. I almost forgot why I was at the airport. SWEET!
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Steve what rubber are you running?
They look a lot like Good Year Eagle F1's
Good eye, those are indded GS-D3's
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These guys had the Mk3 (blue with the white rally stripes) on display at the Providence R.I. airport over the summer. I was there to pick my son up and saw it. I almost forgot why I was at the airport. SWEET!
YA......
i think that the cobra has almost always been my favorite car.
i wanted to throw somethign different in there for the kid too, as all we all did was start pissing at each other how our car is better and why....not really trying to help him at all........so hopefully that gave him some ideas. :D :aok
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Steve,
Your kids are gorgeous, don't take any notice of that other dweeb ;)
SD and I also have lost a baby at 24 weeks so we feel your pain.
SD wants to come play in your pumpkin patch, he got all excited when he saw it :rofl
Thanks Sarah! Who is in your avatar? Striking eyes. Our show is on DHC right now... still weird.
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(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj22/mahermic38/013.jpg)
just wishfull thinking i know, but maybe :aok
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Good eye, those are indded GS-D3's
Best rain tires I've ever had. They're no better than slicks in snow or on ice and I consider them outright hazardous if you try to drive with them in even very light snow, but if you don't need all season tires then they're the best I've ever used. Awesome dry grip and road feel, outstanding wet grip even in very heavy rain, quiet, long treadwear even with moderate driving, resistant to cupping or other uneven wear, and they stay grippy and retain wet weather performance even as they approach the end of their useful life.
I have all-season tires on my firebird right now but if I move where it doesn't ever snow, then I'll get another set of these (assuming goodyear is smart enough to keep making them).
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steve
your kids are beautiful, and you seem like a decent guy, my opinion (although it don't mean much) of you has greatly changed,
i have 9 kids, 6 with my wife, and when i read that comment i wanted to reach through the comp, and rip that guys head off, ye he apologized but that don't change what he wrote, plain and simple,
i can only imagine the pain you and your wife has endured, i truly wish you the best and hope and pray you receive all the blessing possable from God.
it seems to me he has blessed you and tested you at the same time.
now when ever i see your name i will think of you and your family.
i am not surprise you have a vet, the 51 could be compared to the vet in a lotta ways
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now that "Fields of ink" is going, God willing, :pray i will be in this by spring, and 2 years later i will upgrade to the srt8.
took it for a test drive two days ago, the car is sick!!!!!!
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/08_challenger_6.jpg)
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Those new retro cars look like fun, but I have 2 problems with them.
Small windows. I hate the gangsta look, and the small windows is a sign that the auto makers are chasing that portion of popular culture. I personally think however that the gangsta look is a fad and the manufacturers are going to see changes in customer preferences as customers in a tight economic environment ditch the whole "hey look at me I'm a kid trying to be baaaad!!!" thing.
Practicality. Small windows are also impractical, but if I have a back seat then I want 4 doors too. Newer engine tech is letting us get more power and still have decent fuel economy, but the retro look isn't helping. A big, non-aerodynamic front end and big 2-door designs just aren't practical. If I want impractical, I can get a vette :)
then again, I'm that guy who is probably going to get a minivan instead of an SUV because I want sliding side doors and easy to remove rear seats... Even the crossover SUVs fall far short of minivans like the honda odyssey in terms of everyday practicality. Yea the minivans aren't nearly as cool looking as the SUV and are worthless offroad, but my requirement for a large vehicle is every day practicality, not towing a huge boat or going off-road a couple of times a year.
I think my vehicle stable is going to end up as a civic for my wife's daily driving, a minivan for any time we're taking the whole family anywhere (we plan on having 2 or 3 kids total), and my firebird or whatever performance car replaces my firebird when it finally dies. 3 cars is totally a luxury but we don't want to give up either the civic (practicality and economy) or my performance daily driver (I sit in it for an hour each day, so why be pissed off by a crappy car every single day?) so we'll end up with 3 cars since we need something bigger for trips and to haul kids around. An SUV might be nice, but I want better gas mileage and the convenience that you can only get nowadays in a minivan. You just can't find an SUV that is as big as an odyssey, has sliding side doors, gets 25 or more MPG, and can still tow a small (2500ish lb) trailer.
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Small windows. I hate the gangsta look, and the small windows is a sign that the auto makers are chasing that portion of popular culture. I personally think however that the gangsta look is a fad and the manufacturers are going to see changes in customer preferences as customers in a tight economic environment ditch the whole "hey look at me I'm a kid trying to be baaaad!!!" thing.
The look of the windows isn't a "gangsta" thing. One of the first things that usually happens in rodding is the roof gets cut and shortened to give it a more raked look. Also, the windows aren't that much smaller than normal. The look is also due to the doors being a touch taller.
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Good eye, those are indded GS-D3's
I thought so. I work for a Good Year store so I had a little bit of an advantage ;)
Thanks Sarah! Who is in your avatar? Striking eyes. Our show is on DHC right now... still weird.
Thanks! That's our daughter Brianna :D
She's got her Mummy's eyes :D
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LOL Bronk .. ya .. the viper times around the 'ring are pretty fast for sure :)
0.02 seconds faster.
All that.
I mean .. may as well be miles eh?
I wonder how fast Ron Fellows would be :)
As for buildin a Factory Five Cobra . . they definitely do an awesome kit.
They also have a spec class car for racin 'em ... can you imagine how much fun that would be?
Cobra has a few drawbacks tho .. not an all weather vehicle for sure.
AC and Heater are marginal at best, and Rain .. forget it.
It's old school :)
Today we took the top off, it was 75 out, sunny and a breeze blowin.
Cruised down to the grand opening of Loud Pedal Motorsports in Chandler.
Quite a few nice cars showed up .. nice LS-7 (427) powered early Camaro,
..real nice '82 Vette runnin a 565 aluminum Rat, 13+:1 compression, .850 lift roller, two Dominators on top of a sheet metal tunnel ram,
narrowed 9" with some big stickies tucked up under, even ladder bars :)
I told him that's similar to the drive train I dream of puttin into mine.
Man it sounded nice.
Coupla supercharged vettes, one of the twin turbo guys was there.
Naturally I completely spaced bringin the camera.
-GE aka Frank
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LOL Bronk .. ya .. the viper times around the 'ring are pretty fast for sure :)
0.02 seconds faster.
ZR1 Nurburgring Official 7:26.4 Record Corvette Run
Doge Viper ACR Nurburgring Lap Record 7.22
That's 4 seconds with many miss shifts and bouncing off the rev-limiter.
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Okok Bronk .. I dint have my glasses on :)
-grin-
So . . umm .. it would be miles.
My bad.
-evil grin-
But ..the Viper sounds like a tractor.
-poke-
-GE
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<S> GE just having a bit of fun.
If you like the Factory 5 cobra, check out the GTM. Powered by vette, mid engine with a Porsche trany.
(http://www.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2006/11/f5_gtm.jpg)
GE side by side of vette and viper.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08nxInpgTGc&feature=related
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LOL Bronk .. ya .. the viper times around the 'ring are pretty fast for sure :)
0.02 seconds faster.
All that.
I mean .. may as well be miles eh?
I wonder how fast Ron Fellows would be :)now see....this is what i was talking bout a few pages back. when the numbers are THST close, it comes to the better driver, not the car. that was the point i was trying to make with the mustang and camaro numbers i copy/pasted in. i was never tryin to put anyones ride down...unless it's a smartcar, or something like my lil red geo that does 0 to 60 in the time it takes to eat lunch......
As for buildin a Factory Five Cobra . . they definitely do an awesome kit.
They also have a spec class car for racin 'em ... can you imagine how much fun that would be?
Cobra has a few drawbacks tho .. not an all weather vehicle for sure.
AC and Heater are marginal at best, and Rain .. forget it.
It's old school :)i know.....it's not sensible all the time, but ya can build one for cheap(relaivly speaking) and buy a beater for a couple hundred. we're men. we don;t HAVE to make sense with our choices of cars. :D
there was a guy brought one to atco...a cobra kit, but i think it wasn't a fact. 5, as he had a 427 in it. he had no friggin clue how to drive it, and it ran a 11.2something or other...and he lit the tires off in 4th gear. if i did one though, it'd definitly be a FI smallblock.
Today we took the top off, it was 75 out, sunny and a breeze blowin.why take the top off, when you can get a real convertible, and simply lower it :D
Cruised down to the grand opening of Loud Pedal Motorsports in Chandler.
Quite a few nice cars showed up .. nice LS-7 (427) powered early Camaro,
..real nice '82 Vette runnin a 565 aluminum Rat, 13+:1 compression, .850 lift roller, two Dominators on top of a sheet metal tunnel ram,
narrowed 9" with some big stickies tucked up under, even ladder bars :)
I told him that's similar to the drive train I dream of puttin into mine.
Man it sounded nice.
Coupla supercharged vettes, one of the twin turbo guys was there.
Naturally I completely spaced bringin the camera.
-GE aka Frank
i love those old engines. there was an old time drag meet at atco that i ran the shop race car in. there were TWO thunderbolts, and a yenko camaro. friggin BEAUTIFUL. a couple split window vettes, and a couple big block sting rays.....i didn't know which way to turn to look at em. i DID however manage to forget about em when i got in the race car........
BTW.....J/K bout the top.......<<S>>
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Okok Bronk .. I dint have my glasses on :)
-grin-
So . . umm .. it would be miles.
My bad.
-evil grin-
But ..the Viper sounds like a tractor.
-poke-
-GE
i like the looks of the viper, but absolutley hate the sound......
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<S> GE just having a bit of fun.
If you like the Factory 5 cobra, check out the GTM. Powered by vette, mid engine with a Porsche trany.
(http://www.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2006/11/f5_gtm.jpg)
GE side by side of vette and viper.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08nxInpgTGc&feature=related
sweeeeeet
still like my "old school" cobra though. saw a GT40 go by the shop today.....was too quiet though,,,,,most likely a kit....but still sweet.
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One of the guys I autocross with is building a cobra kit car. I bought a wrecked 03 mustang cobra as his donor car. He ported the supercharger, put a new pulley on and he said it will have 500+ hp to the wheels. I asked if I could drive it...he said yes but I think he was kidding. :devil
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Let me give you a suggestions: BUY AMERICAN MADE CAR. Sure, you can get a Nissan or Toyota. They have high resale value, good milage but, they are getting to the point of breaking down faster.........
Could you be a sport and tell me why do they have "high resale value"?
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Thanks bronk :)
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Mom wrong bbs.
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Mom wrong bbs.
:rofl
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:rofl
Very easy mistake =)
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Man this thing just keeps going and going.
I test drove a 08 STi yesterday, one of my friends has one. outstanding little car. WAAAAY outa my price range though.
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now that "Fields of ink" is going, God willing, :pray i will be in this by spring, and 2 years later i will upgrade to the srt8.
took it for a test drive two days ago, the car is sick!!!!!!
Anyone read this new Car and Driver yet?
They selected a large field of high performance cars and ran some laps around a race course (Road America this year?).
One highly surprising beastie in this year's field managed to utterly smoke the Challenger SRT8, and it beat the new EVO, the new WRX STI, the Lexus IS-F, VW R32, and the Lotus Exige. That little monster? The $23,000 Cobalt SS..... Road and Track also compared the Cobalt 4 dr SS to the Mazdaspeed 3, the new 265 hp WRX, and the Mitsu Rallyart. Net result, the Cobalt won and did so easily.
0-60 in 5.3 seconds, 13.8@105 mph in the 1/4 mile. 160+mph top end. At least .9g lateral acceleration. Four Piston Brembo brakes and a suspension tuned by by the guy who built the Cadillac CST-Vs that dominated the Speed GT series. Currently, the Cobalt SS holds the record for its class for the fastest ever lap around Nurburgring. It turned an 8:22 lap. That's faster than the best time turned by the Porsche Cayman S, BMW M3, and the Boxter S. Its time is 27 seconds faster than the Euro VW R32. Its 8:22 lap is dead even with the Nissan Skyline GTR R32.
Think about that... a $23,000 , 30 mpg Chevy that looks like it came from a rental fleet, but completely thumps far more expensive iron. The ultimate sleeper.
My regards,
Widewing
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Wow.
I had no idea it had that kind of performance .. thanks for postin that.
Prolly why they keep tryin to race on the freeway, stoplights, etc.. so far I have just laughed at 'em.
-Frank
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Man this thing just keeps going and going.
I test drove a 08 STi yesterday, one of my friends has one. outstanding little car. WAAAAY outa my price range though.
those little buggers are quick.
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Think about that... a $23,000 , 30 mpg Chevy that looks like it came from a rental fleet, but completely thumps far more expensive iron. The ultimate sleeper.
The only problem with that is that you have to drive a car that looks like this:
(http://www.smithgm.com/images/cap_image.php?file=/5112/alt.jpg)
Yuck! :lol
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Anyone read this new Car and Driver yet?
They selected a large field of high performance cars and ran some laps around a race course (Road America this year?).
One highly surprising beastie in this year's field managed to utterly smoke the Challenger SRT8, and it beat the new EVO, the new WRX STI, the Lexus IS-F, VW R32, and the Lotus Exige. That little monster? The $23,000 Cobalt SS..... Road and Track also compared the Cobalt 4 dr SS to the Mazdaspeed 3, the new 265 hp WRX, and the Mitsu Rallyart. Net result, the Cobalt won and did so easily.
0-60 in 5.3 seconds, 13.8@105 mph in the 1/4 mile. 160+mph top end. At least .9g lateral acceleration. Four Piston Brembo brakes and a suspension tuned by by the guy who built the Cadillac CST-Vs that dominated the Speed GT series. Currently, the Cobalt SS holds the record for its class for the fastest ever lap around Nurburgring. It turned an 8:22 lap. That's faster than the best time turned by the Porsche Cayman S, BMW M3, and the Boxter S. Its time is 27 seconds faster than the Euro VW R32. Its 8:22 lap is dead even with the Nissan Skyline GTR R32.
Think about that... a $23,000 , 30 mpg Chevy that looks like it came from a rental fleet, but completely thumps far more expensive iron. The ultimate sleeper.
My regards,
Widewing
ya with out a doubt that is sick, but i got a thing for challengers, i used to own a 73 with the 340, been in love ever since.
so when they came out with the new one i was very happy with the results, i see one in my future.