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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: FireDrgn on February 17, 2009, 02:33:10 PM
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I have been hearing about low end systems for 3 years now....... I have a hard time believing that you guys cant get some money together in 3 years to upgrade your computers.
2 dollars aday and you can build a brand new top end system...far less if your computer is upgradable....
Do we really have to listen to why HTC cant do this to "me" and cant do that to "me" because you wont upgrade your computer.
You are willing to complain about your situation for 3 freaking years that i know of but not willing to do a dang thing about it...
EVery time some kid gets one here and says he does not have the money for a subscribstion they get blasted about mowing yards or washing windows.....
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I thought I was alone on thoughts like this. My system is awsome but held back by the low end computer owner as far as this game goes.
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#1. $2 a day is a 40 oz a day
#2. why would i want to spend money on a comp to play a game when that money can go towards beer smokes and turtle food?
#3. the $15 a month i use to spend gos to flowers every month for my wife. :) (and turtle food)
And you guys think im joking
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Well I'm waitINg for Windows 7
Cheers,
gus
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I thought I was alone on thoughts like this. My system is awsome but held back by the low end computer owner as far as this game goes.
My system is barely up to par with most modern games and I can play this at full settings at 60FPS... even I'm held back.
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So, uh, FireDrgn... You been living in a cave the past few months, or what? :huh
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Not all players use their computers only for games. For some of us games is actually not the main reason for owning a computer.
AH is the only game i play, and i wont buy a new laptop just for a game. Has nothing to do with lack of money, but everything to do with common sense. As long as my lappy's keeps up with my everyday tasks and works ill keep it. If it also runs my one and favorite game im happy.
I was away from the game for a year or so because AH2 came out and a game will not dictate when i buy a new laptop. Easy as that.
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#3. the $15 a month i use to spend gos to flowers every month ........
And you guys think im joking
a dozen roses set me back 75 bucks last I checked. I just buy her the whole bush every year now. :D
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So alow me to see if I understand what you are looking for here.
You want me to take money away from my family to save for a new computer so that you can get more eye candy. I need to run home and tell my wife and daughter that my priorities have been wrong all this time. Thanks for helping with this issue, I have now seen the light.
Seriously though. you are about to get more eye candy BTW and they are going to make the game just as accessible to those with lower end systems too. WOW what a novel idea.
I have never heard seen someone get on here and whine about HT making the system requirements too high. What I do remember seeing many times is some who remind others that HT tries very hard to make the game playable to the most amount of people this includes those with low end systems. More people that can play equals more people who pay to play, good business on their part.
Even when HT put up the pics of the new terrain the posters with low end systems simply said that if the new terrain causes a further hit to their system they will need to stop playing because right now it is not a good time for them to be spending money to upgrade. I never saw a single one complain or whine about it.
Not trying to be rude here, just trying to get across that many of us have priorities in other areas and many of those that state anything having to do with this subject have simply stated their position and not one time did I read a negative comment from anyone who uses a out dated or weak computer
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My system is barely up to par with most modern games and I can play this at full settings at 60FPS... even I'm held back.
i'd like to know why i have a system in the midrange..i think......and only get in the 20's in a furball.......
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i'd like to know why i have a system in the midrange..i think......and only get in the 20's in a furball.......
wow I thought mine was getting bad with minie dropping to mid 30's and 40's in furball. mine does drop to the 20's if the furball gets over field ack though.
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Why get hung up on eye candy? I'd prefer that we get new aircraft instead of this terrain/water update.
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i'd like to know why i have a system in the midrange..i think......and only get in the 20's in a furball.......
post your computer info in the tech support pages and i am sure some of us can tell you why :salute
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Im unable to buy a new computer and I've been tryin for several years. I understand how you feel but ur soundin a bit selfish. I currently have the worst system in the aces high community so im quite happy that htc is still catering to us as well. If I could afford a new cpu I would be greatly appreciative but I can't so I have to suck up my system and play.
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i'd like to know why i have a system in the midrange..i think......and only get in the 20's in a furball.......
Check your out of game video settings. Mainly "Anti-Aliasing" and Anisitropic Filtering". Those two do some damage to your frame rates when set up high. I usually just turn those off when playing AH but clicking "Use application settings".
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So alow me to see if I understand what you are looking for here.
You want me to take money away from my family to save for a new computer so that you can get more eye candy. I need to run home and tell my wife and daughter that my priorities have been wrong all this time. Thanks for helping with this issue, I have now seen the light.
Seriously though. you are about to get more eye candy BTW and they are going to make the game just as accessible to those with lower end systems too. WOW what a novel idea.
I have never heard seen someone get on here and whine about HT making the system requirements too high. What I do remember seeing many times is some who remind others that HT tries very hard to make the game playable to the most amount of people this includes those with low end systems. More people that can play equals more people who pay to play, good business on their part.
Even when HT put up the pics of the new terrain the posters with low end systems simply said that if the new terrain causes a further hit to their system they will need to stop playing because right now it is not a good time for them to be spending money to upgrade. I never saw a single one complain or whine about it.
Not trying to be rude here, just trying to get across that many of us have priorities in other areas and many of those that state anything having to do with this subject have simply stated their position and not one time did I read a negative comment from anyone who uses a out dated or weak computer
Its obvious that you have other priority's than upgrading your computer because you have not done it.... I dont give a hoot if you do or don't...... I find it inconceivable how some one can complain about it for 3 years without doing anything about it...... Suck it up and stop complaining that you can't see this or that.......your frame rates are in the toilet.....ect.
Dont take it personal im talking specifically to the complainers. If your not a complainer then dont even bother with a reply.
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So, uh, FireDrgn... You been living in a cave the past few months, or what? :huh
and i have no idea what your talking about! :noid
Would you mind expanding on that?
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While I agree that complaining for three years is a bit ridiculous, I haven't seen it happening.
True after 3 years you can get a new computer, true after 3 years something can be done. However with the shape of the US right now, a lot of people can't afford a new computer. Gas is going back up (gone up by 30cents in about a week here), lots of people are losing jobs, money is tight.
Yes, it seems like after 3 years they could get new computers, under good conditions, that we don't have. 300$ even for a bare minimum computer is hard right now for most.
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a dozen roses set me back 75 bucks last I checked. I just buy her the whole bush every year now. :D
roses? are you completely insane?
she like pink tulips :)
so i get her $20 worth sent to her work every month
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I for one, am looking forward to the new terrain here. I may need to add a little more to my system to make it run pretty, that's fact. I'm going to have to do that anyway's, because I enjoy playing other games than this, and any upgrade I make will surely help those games as well.
IMHO, I don't think you should be knocking these guys for taking the game forward. Oh, and btw, I have a lower end system, and not a big income. Still, gotta' pay to play. You will find that is usually the case with most modern games.
Coogan
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While I agree that complaining for three years is a bit ridiculous, I haven't seen it happening.
True after 3 years you can get a new computer, true after 3 years something can be done. However with the shape of the US right now, a lot of people can't afford a new computer. Gas is going back up (gone up by 30cents in about a week here), lots of people are losing jobs, money is tight.
Yes, it seems like after 3 years they could get new computers, under good conditions, that we don't have. 300$ even for a bare minimum computer is hard right now for most.
If its that bad for someone then the last thing they need to be worrying about is playing a video game. HTC needs to upgrade their graphics and get into the twenty first century. The contrails as an example. I for one would love them but each time its brought up people cry that their computers cant handle it. I'm tired of not having stuff in this game because others cant/wont get a better computer. When my old computer died on me last year I went out and got a simple upgradeable computer for $250. The next week I bought a $50 sound card, two weeks later I got a $130 video card, and two weeks after that 2GB of memory for $120. Now I run the game at 1280x1024 video res with 1024skin res and the slider bars 3/4 up to better graphics and get 40-70FPS.
Since then I have myself a little piggy bank that I put extra cash in just in case this computer dies. Five dollars here and there starts to add up and if you cant upgrade your computer over the years then don't cry that you cant play because of it.
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So alow me to see if I understand what you are looking for here.
You want me to take money away from my family to save for a new computer so that you can get more eye candy. I need to run home and tell my wife and daughter that my priorities have been wrong all this time. Thanks for helping with this issue, I have now seen the light.
Seriously though. you are about to get more eye candy BTW and they are going to make the game just as accessible to those with lower end systems too. WOW what a novel idea.
I have never heard seen someone get on here and whine about HT making the system requirements too high. What I do remember seeing many times is some who remind others that HT tries very hard to make the game playable to the most amount of people this includes those with low end systems. More people that can play equals more people who pay to play, good business on their part.
Even when HT put up the pics of the new terrain the posters with low end systems simply said that if the new terrain causes a further hit to their system they will need to stop playing because right now it is not a good time for them to be spending money to upgrade. I never saw a single one complain or whine about it.
Not trying to be rude here, just trying to get across that many of us have priorities in other areas and many of those that state anything having to do with this subject have simply stated their position and not one time did I read a negative comment from anyone who uses a out dated or weak computer
Everything I had to say is found here :salute
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roses? are you completely insane?
she like pink tulips :)
so i get her $20 worth sent to her work every month
Awww our little bipolar is in love. :cool:
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Awww our little bipolar is in love. :cool:
"whipped"
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Its obvious that you have other priority's than upgrading your computer because you have not done it.... I dont give a hoot if you do or don't...... I find it inconceivable how some one can complain about it for 3 years without doing anything about it...... Suck it up and stop complaining that you can't see this or that.......your frame rates are in the toilet.....ect.
Dont take it personal im talking specifically to the complainers. If your not a complainer then dont even bother with a reply.
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I am not trying to make anything personal here Firedrgn but my main point is that I havev never read any whines on these boards about the game being too copmicated or anyone ever say that HT needs to keep the game playable to those with lower systems. What I have read were posts that said that is the reason why HT might be keeping some of the asked for features out of the game.
Every single person that has a lower than average computer that I have ever seen respond seems to me to be the type of person that not only appreciates the fact that HT has kept the game playable for them but also would understand if the game ever went beyond what their computer could handle.
HT decides what features they are putting in the game and it sounds as though try to keep a balance between the masses and I personally think they do a good job at that. Look at the new eye candy, that looks freaking awesome, but they also put in a feature that would allow low end users to continue playing as well. To me this is a sign of good business management. You are really playing alow cost game here and in order for HT to continue to do this they will need to keep it playable to as many people as they can and still find a balance of eye candy to keep everyone interested, this is not easy.
Look at it this way, every person that leaves because their system is not up to playing is income lost. To make up for this they would either need to cut back on time spent working on the game, making matters worse or charge each player more and potentially making more leave.
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Since then I have myself a little piggy bank that I put extra cash in just in case this computer dies. Five dollars here and there starts to add up and if you cant upgrade your computer over the years then don't cry that you cant play because of it.
Well I sure ain't whining, this little puppy of a machine has cost over 2K in the past 2 years. Runs everything I throw at it just fine, I was simply defending the poor guys. :)
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Don't you think that maybe HTC makes the decisions on what hardware they will support on things like... Oh I don't know, maybe the hardware their clients use? I doubt very seriously they aren't tracking how many potential customers they will effect if they raise requirements too high.
Unlike Eve online, where the Devs announced "Hey, we are only going to support SM 3 or higher in November because we think 97% of all computers will be able to support it then" without even knowing how many of their customers will be effected. They got laughed into a retraction, especially when the numbers started rolling in (like Steam's hardware profile showing 57% of all computers using that service were only capable of SM 2 and lower).
Fancy graphics don't make a good game. The graphics have to be good enough to do the job, but gameplay is what matters. No one is going to join AH2 just because the ground is pretty.
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I haven't looked at the Steam Survey lately, I wonder how it stacks up (Average PC wise) compared to here. My system runs at a solid 75 (monitor refresh) full blast everything no matter where I am in the game. Right now I'm playing Bioshock (2007 Game?) very nice, I know flight Sims demand more when higher textures etc are used because of the wider area is it that the view encompasses but still, I wouldn't mind seeing them turned up a bit.
Hoping the new ground textures and water pretty her up.
BTW I'm on a build about every three years, allmost one year into this one.
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My system is top notch, expensive, and bells and whistles all the way.
And I still suck at the game.
Looking back I could have sucked at a much cheaper price. :(
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If its about priorities, then when the game upgrades you'll have to prioritize whether to upgrade, or spend time with your family. Pretty simple to me.
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If its about priorities, then when the game upgrades you'll have to prioritize whether to upgrade, or spend time with your family. Pretty simple to me.
I have 5 kids and 4 grandchildren, I never let playing AH interfere with my family and Ive got the God Awful stats to prove it. But one thing I will say, when I want to play a game on the PC I don't want it clunking and coughing so I save up and build it right.
Pretty simple to me too.
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I know I cant be the only person who finds the irony of these situations hilarious..
People climb up on a soap box and cry that them HAVING to upgrade their system to play this game as it evolves is some sort of travesty!! how DARE they have to SPEND MONEY for to upgrade their system for a GAME!!!! they have families, kids, mortgages for gods sake!!!
meanwhile they have spent over a grand on subscription fees for said game.. lol :devil
also I like the folks that look down there noses at the folks who are happy this game is FINALLY getting a update to the eye candy.. as if somehow the people who are looking foreward to not flying over lego-land anymore are somehow simple minded and inferior :lol
"you pitiful little man, you have got it all wrong, your not a REAL aces high player because you want good graphics!! HA!!! You must be some druggie teenager! I dont care if its all wire frame and black and white, its all about the FIGHT!! I see this and therefore I am superior to you.. simply minded eye candy quake boy!!! baH!! after my comp finishes booting up here in a half hour or so Im gonna log in and whoop your quake gamer ass!!!"
I fully understand people who don't play any other game, and or just dont want to allocate the resources for a system upgrade.. fine, I understand, its ok with me. Now you need to understand, You need to shut up and quit complaining about a problem that is entirely yours, and not the game makers, You know what the problem is, and what is needed to fix it.. so either fix it, or if its not important enough to fix.. shut up about it :salute
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My computer was middle-of-the road when I got it three years ago. When I started playing Aces High a little over 2 years ago it ran the game at a pretty decent clip. Some months later I wanted to try skinning, so I had to get the Hi-Res pack. I decided, hey I'll just run it in game on high res. So, after turning down some of the other settings i was able to get pretty decent frame rates with it- in the 40's 50's most of the time. My computer wasn't displaying some stuff correctly, though (that and I couldn't play other games) so about a year and a half ago I got an NVIDIA 8600GT, which even at the time was a middle of the road graphics card (it wasn't even one of NVIDIA's 'gaming' cards), which was about $150 ish at the time (you can get one off of NewEgg for like $60-$70 now). At this point I was able to turn all of the settings all of the way up and play the game at 50-60 FPS at 1280x1024 res. A little later I also bought another gig of RAM for my computer, which was at the time running one gig. Not because I needed it, but because it was on sale for $30.
That's about my current rig, which at current prices for electronics would run about $100 in upgrades. Right now I run Aces High II at 1024 res, with the detail sliders all of the way up, I think 8x AA in the NVIDIA control panel, though I'd have to check, on a 1680x1050 monitor, with TIR and usually iTunes and FireFox, and around 50-60 other processes (lol) running in the background. With all of this I get 60 FPS normally and usually around 30 when we launch during FSO. I almost always run smooth except in the largest battles on the really taxing maps.
I do NOT have a sweet computer. Actually, I get ragged on because of this thing (case wise, my monitor makes up for it for the most part, though :D ). But I can still get everything there is to get out of Aces High.
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Also, I must note that getting a new comp does not mean you have to just throw away your old one, its not totally worthless..
in fact you might find it even MORE USEFUL than ever, with its current performance levels it may be much better suited for a different role in your life.
(http://www.persiancultures.com/Science/Computer/The%20old%20computer.jpg)
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I know I cant be the only person who finds the irony of these situations hilarious..
People climb up on a soap box and cry that them HAVING to upgrade their system to play this game as it evolves is some sort of travesty!! how DARE they have to SPEND MONEY for to upgrade their system for a GAME!!!! they have families, kids, mortgages for gods sake!!!
meanwhile they have spent over a grand on subscription fees for said game.. lol :devil
also I like the folks that look down there noses at the folks who are happy this game is FINALLY getting a update to the eye candy.. as if somehow the people who are looking foreward to not flying over lego-land anymore are somehow simple minded and inferior :lol
"you pitiful little man, you have got it all wrong, your not a REAL aces high player because you want good graphics!! HA!!! You must be some druggie teenager! I dont care if its all wire frame and black and white, its all about the FIGHT!! I see this and therefore I am superior to you.. simply minded eye candy quake boy!!! baH!! after my comp finishes booting up here in a half hour or so Im gonna log in and whoop your quake gamer ass!!!"
I fully understand people who don't play any other game, and or just dont want to allocate the resources for a system upgrade.. fine, I understand, its ok with me. Now you need to understand, You need to shut up and quit complaining about a problem that is entirely yours, and not the game makers, You know what the problem is, and what is needed to fix it.. so either fix it, or if its not important enough to fix.. shut up about it :salute
wingnut here is what i find hilarious
when people come in here and get a reasonable answer to a question and then because they don't like that answer they call it a whine. I have yet to see a single post in the bb's where someone came on and said that they have to keep the graphics lower so I can play. What I have seen is people trying to explain that some features may have been left out due to trying to keep the game playable to the most numbers of people by keeping it playable to lower end systems as well.
Please prove me wrong. Show me even one example of a post that someone came even close to the agressiveness that you did in your post only stated that HT needs to keep the game at a level they can play. I think you will be hard pressed. I think almost everyone that may be pushed out by increased graphics will completely understand that HT needed to make a business decision to keep their game competitive.
Show me the whines.
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I have 5 kids and 4 grandchildren, I never let playing AH interfere with my family and Ive got the God Awful stats to prove it. But one thing I will say, when I want to play a game on the PC I don't want it clunking and coughing so I save up and build it right.
Pretty simple to me too.
Amen. I'm another one that at least has a job, albeit one I'll be glad to get away from if or when times improve. I have a wife & three boys. Through sheer luck I live on my dad's 10 acres out of town, which allows for self sufficiency should the economic situation worsen. I save for the things we need and want, and have the patience to do it. We do not owe anyone anything other than the normal monthly utilities & such. Right now, putting together a new computer is not a problem. I can afford it, and my brother (Flayed1) is very good at throwing all together and making it work. My PC is around five years old now. The game is still affordable & playable, and definitely more fun now that the phone company finally strung DSL out our way. Right now however, it just seems prudent for us to invest in ways to sustain ourselves if or when times do get hard.
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I really didn't want to post my system specs but i will just to prove that everyone that has posted in this thread concerning lag, fps and what not will learn to appreciate ;)
My system specs:
P3 intel 999MHZ
Windows XP Home Pro
256MB RAM TOTAL
18GB TOTAL HD
Nividia GeForce 5500
Dell Box
Saitex ST290 Pro
Surround Sound system.
I lag, i Disco, i do alot that would cause a normal player to go nuts, but the game RUNS with my current system. Do i need a upgrade? Definitely.Can i afford a new cpu? No. So as i stated above, i possibly, no in fact i know i have the worst cpu in the aces high community but do you hear me on the boards complaining about lag, fps, etc? I fly with 15-30FPS daily if not that much without complaining. Yes i lag and lock up when i enter a area with GV's on the ground, CV's attacking the base my cpu will lock up untill i get airborne so I'm happy tha HTC has considered keeping Aces High playable to the low end systems such as mines.
Mind you I've been playing Aces high with this Setup since 2006, I even played DGS Scenario with this same computer, and do you know how demanding the rhine map is with over 300 aircraft flying around?
*Pulls out the donation cup for new cpu* :D
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I really didn't want to post my system specs but i will just to prove that everyone that has posted in this thread concerning lag, fps and what not will learn to appreciate ;)
My system specs:
P3 intel 999MHZ
Windows XP Home Pro
256MB RAM TOTAL
18GB TOTAL HD
Nividia GeForce 5500
Dell Box
Saitex ST290 Pro
Surround Sound system.
I lag, i Disco, i do alot that would cause a normal player to go nuts, but the game RUNS with my current system. Do i need a upgrade? Definitely.Can i afford a new cpu? No. So as i stated above, i possibly, no in fact i know i have the worst cpu in the aces high community but do you hear me on the boards complaining about lag, fps, etc? I fly with 15-30FPS daily if not that much without complaining. Yes i lag and lock up when i enter a area with GV's on the ground, CV's attacking the base my cpu will lock up untill i get airborne so I'm happy tha HTC has considered keeping Aces High playable to the low end systems such as mines.
Mind you I've been playing Aces high with this Setup since 2006, I even played DGS Scenario with this same computer, and do you know how demanding the rhine map is?
*Pulls out the donation cup for new cpu* :D
:aok
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I have yet to see a single post in the bb's where someone came on and said that they have to keep the graphics lower so I can play.
Please prove me wrong. Show me even one example of a post that someone came even close to the agressiveness that you did in your post only stated that HT needs to keep the game at a level they can play.
Show me the whines.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,212156.msg2532912.html#msg2532912
What a great idea.... make the game unplayable for all the guys with low end computers. Who needs an FPS of 18 when you can have rubber bullets with a FPS of 4.
Heck....why don't these guys just get a job. Send their kids to work. Get divorced. Don't pay the mortgage for a month an get a wandango computer instead.
Your welcome.
EDIT: I can find more if ya want, but ya only asked for one.
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wingnut here is what i find hilarious
when people come in here and get a reasonable answer to a question and then because they don't like that answer they call it a whine. I have yet to see a single post in the bb's where someone came on and said that they have to keep the graphics lower so I can play. What I have seen is people trying to explain that some features may have been left out due to trying to keep the game playable to the most numbers of people by keeping it playable to lower end systems as well.
Please prove me wrong. Show me even one example of a post that someone came even close to the agressiveness that you did in your post only stated that HT needs to keep the game at a level they can play. I think you will be hard pressed. I think almost everyone that may be pushed out by increased graphics will completely understand that HT needed to make a business decision to keep their game competitive.
Show me the whines.
I just did. See my post above. Those settings i play with EVERYTHING OFF. Sliders all the way right, all my the special effects turned off, disabled pilot skins, everything. I MUST have all of my settings downed low and on short vis range just to play smoothly.
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What a great idea.... make the game unplayable for all the guys with low end computers. Who needs an FPS of 18 when you can have rubber bullets with a FPS of 4.
Heck....why don't these guys just get a job. Send their kids to work. Get divorced. Don't pay the mortgage for a month an get a wandango computer instead.
Your welcome.
EDIT: I can find more if ya want, but ya only asked for one.
what thread what user
don't be shy, obviously the guy who supposedly wrote doesn't mind sharing it
talon are telling me that if ht pushed things beyond what you could play, that you would be ticked and bash them for it. that is what i would call a whine.
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talon are telling me that if ht pushed things beyond what you could play, that you would be ticked and bash them for it. that is what i would call a whine.
No i wouldn't. How could i? I would either have to cancel my subscription untill i raised enough funds to purchase an entire new computer or quit. I'd really have to do both seeing as I'm in no way ,form, or position to purchase a new cpu by any means so I've already suspected i might have to quit the game when this new update is released if my cpu is unable to sustain enough frame rate to even function the basics such as taking off and landing let alone fly across the new terrain and water.
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what thread what user
don't be shy, obviously the guy who supposedly wrote doesn't mind sharing it
talon are telling me that if ht pushed things beyond what you could play, that you would be ticked and bash them for it. that is what i would call a whine.
.... link is included.
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Damn guys, quit it PLEASE!!! You are making me feel GUILTY!!!
Cuz I bought a hotrod PC, and a 47" 120hz monitor Just for this game..
Like when I see a poor crippled kid, or a baby born deformed..
I get this funny guilty feeling inside.. I ask myself, how do rate
being normal, when these poor kids are so messed up???
Geez Quit, Yer Killin me here...
RC
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It's very amusing how some people think they have a right to dictate what my priorities should be just because they want more eyecandy. HTC knows who their loyal customers are and whining about not enough eyecandy isn't going to change that.
P.S. Everyone I know who left AH did so because of gameplay issues and not graphics.
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It's very amusing how some people think they have a right to dictate what my priorities should be just because they want more eyecandy. HTC knows who their loyal customers are and whining about not enough eyecandy isn't going to change that.
Thank ya Xargos. :salute
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on a side note, if you to see what is easly the pinnacle of scalability, look at x-plane.. the sim is a marvel, perhaps the 9th wonder of the world.. Its brilliant design allows for it to be scaled back and set to run on the biggest piece of crap you can imagine, but also it can be ramped up to take advantage of the latest and greatest and produce visuals that are on par with and in many cases superior to the industry giant resource potato that is FSX..
the flight modeling also puts FSX to shame.. insted of "its this plane, so it does this x,y,z it uses "blade element theory" (see here http://www.x-plane.com/about.html)
not only that, it will run on Windows, Lunix, and MacOS.. and not only that you can actually run it on multiple computers over a network.. for example I have my navigation and radios running on my laptop, while running the rest of the game on my main computer.
oh yea, the team that pulled all this off is comparable in size to HTC :confused:
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how come every other game tries to stay updated... look at eve online, constant graphical updates. what makes AH players so damn poor?..
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It's very amusing how some people think they have a right to dictate what my priorities should be just because they want more eyecandy.
P.S. Everyone I know who left AH did so because of gameplay issues and not graphics.
It's very amusing how some people think they have a right to dictate the developers priorities just because they don't feel like upgrading their system once every decade.
P.S. New graphics wont keep people from quitting, neither will better game play, nothing will, its natural churn, but improved graphics will help bring in new targets.. players... I said players.. that would otherwise take one look at the game and figure it antiquated and never even try it.
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how come every other game tries to stay updated... look at eve online, constant graphical updates. what makes AH players so damn poor?..
Simple,
HTC caters to the understanding that everyone in this world isn't as wealthy or fortunate to buy multi hundred dollar computer systems and sound systems to run a game that few enjoy regardless of the "out of date" graphics compared to other games on the market.
CCP (Eve online ) Expects everyone that plays eve to own a multi hundred dollar computer system with graphics to match & has hundreds of game designers,developers, staff to run the game and to constantly update the graphics engine, resorting in more upgrades throughout your time playing, thus spending more money to update your computer to better run the game. It also has over 50,000 players that monthly subscribe more than double to amount of subscribers that HTC has.
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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,212156.msg2532912.html#msg2532912
What a great idea.... make the game unplayable for all the guys with low end computers. Who needs an FPS of 18 when you can have rubber bullets with a FPS of 4.
Heck....why don't these guys just get a job. Send their kids to work. Get divorced. Don't pay the mortgage for a month an get a wandango computer instead.
Your welcome.
EDIT: I can find more if ya want, but ya only asked for one.
ok you handed me one and again I am shown that there is one in every crowd. I still stand by the fact that almost all the players in AH not only don't whine about keeping the game playable for them but would not be angry or hold it against HT in any way if it were no longer playable for them.
on another note did stupid me overlook the link or did you add that with your edit?
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typical of our "help me I wont help myself" society, hold back/punish the many who can/have, to cater to the few who cant/wont.
its a good model really, car companies should stop producing cars that are out of the price range of the sub 25k/year people, granted all they would make is unreliable prices of junk, but at least nobody would be left out...
wait...70s Volkswagen beetle.. DAMMIT, hoisted by my own petard.
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ok you handed me one and again I am shown that there is one in every crowd. I still stand by the fact that almost all the players in AH not only don't whine about keeping the game playable for them but would not be angry or hold it against HT in any way if it were no longer playable for them.
on another note did stupid me overlook the link or did you add that with your edit?
Just for the record, I've never openly ranted about upgrading the game by any means. I would love for the game to be vastly upgraded visually as the next person and i would welcome them with a smile. I'm just pointing out that everyone isn't concerned about graphics nor concerned if they upgrade the game beyond the playability of some players.
As some of the posters said above, you're going to have to upgrade your computer eventually, and i understand that. I'm just going to enjoy the game until I'm truly unable to play from the lack of system requirements.
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on another note did stupid me overlook the link or did you add that with your edit?
I added it probably as your were reading it, only because I couldn't immediately figure out how to link to a single post :frown:
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I have 5 kids and 4 grandchildren, I never let playing AH interfere with my family and Ive got the God Awful stats to prove it. But one thing I will say, when I want to play a game on the PC I don't want it clunking and coughing so I save up and build it right.
Pretty simple to me too.
I used to play Warbirds 1.1 on a PIII 450 with a Voodoo II card . It still runs just fine, but wont even run anything created in the last 5 years or so.
I guess what I'm driving at is that if one chooses to game, one may as well accept upgrading equipment regularly as the norm. Thats just the way it is. Or, one can come to the bbs and play a violin crying poverty hoping the game developers will halt natural software progression.
I'm no different than anyone else. Kids ,family , house (please no violin music, I chose and enjoy this) . I just upgraded a few months back...and immediately started stashing a few bucks here and there for the next upgrade. Such is life.
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It's very amusing how some people think they have a right to dictate the developers priorities just because they don't feel like upgrading their system once every decade.
P.S. New graphics wont keep people from quitting, neither will better game play, nothing will, its natural churn, but improved graphics will help bring in new targets.. players... I said players.. that would otherwise take one look at the game and figure it antiquated and never even try it.
I've been a loyal customer since tour 35. I am on disability and therefore on a fixed income. I do not have cable TV, phone service, a vehicle nor any of the other things that many take for granted. The only game I am willing to spend my limited funding on is AH. You are very selfish indeed if you feel eyecandy is more important.
P.S. I didn't post in order to get into a pi**ing contest with you. I upgrade when I can, but can't justify the expenditure beyond a certain point.
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I'm far from being an expert in the games industry, but I'd like to put a rational,logical point in here. The industry is driven by money right? They make massive profits from the latest games,running only on hi spec machines. How can that rationale mean HTC loses all its customers and income. There would be some losses from the antique PC brigade sure, but there would be far more coming in with the enticement of the 'eye candy' and they'd stay because of the addictive gameplay. I'm sorry if there are some people who cant afford it,but that's progress.
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Just for the record, I've never openly ranted about upgrading the game by any means. I would love for the game to be vastly upgraded visually as the next person and i would welcome them with a smile. I'm just pointing out that everyone isn't concerned about graphics nor concerned if they upgrade the game beyond the playability of some players.
As some of the posters said above, you're going to have to upgrade your computer eventually, and i understand that. I'm just going to enjoy the game until I'm truly unable to play from the lack of system requirements.
i know you never did that I actually asked you that question because my post I was looking for an example of a whine that wingnut stated has been taking place and caused him to have such a response to and you typed I just did.
I honestly had a real good idea what your answer was going to be.
I too understand and have been trying to put together money in the last few months to upgrade to a point where I can enjoy the new graphics and it seems to be coming together at the moment. This of course has been made possible by a friend/squaddie who had a few parts lying around that will help me get up to that point.
It really just iritates me when someone comes on ad acts like there is some overwhelming majority that thinks they should be catered to. This doesn't really come down to anyone being catered to but I think HT tried to find a happy medium that generates the most business for them. I really doubt that anybody is dictating to HT what to put in their game except for what it takes to keep the biggest player base they can.
I would venture to say that 98% of those that in the future will be faced with the delema of upgrading or cancellilng account will be like talon and myself and go peacefully until such time as they can do what it take to rejoin the festivities.
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how come every other game tries to stay updated... look at eve online, constant graphical updates. what makes AH players so damn poor?..
All their money goes on HOTAS and Pedals. :aok
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I really didn't want to post my system specs but i will just to prove that everyone that has posted in this thread concerning lag, fps and what not will learn to appreciate ;)
My system specs:
P3 intel 999MHZ
Windows XP Home Pro
256MB RAM TOTAL
18GB TOTAL HD
Nividia GeForce 5500
Dell Box
Saitex ST290 Pro
Surround Sound system.
I lag, i Disco, i do alot that would cause a normal player to go nuts, but the game RUNS with my current system. Do i need a upgrade? Definitely.Can i afford a new cpu? No. So as i stated above, i possibly, no in fact i know i have the worst cpu in the aces high community but do you hear me on the boards complaining about lag, fps, etc? I fly with 15-30FPS daily if not that much without complaining. Yes i lag and lock up when i enter a area with GV's on the ground, CV's attacking the base my cpu will lock up untill i get airborne so I'm happy tha HTC has considered keeping Aces High playable to the low end systems such as mines.
Mind you I've been playing Aces high with this Setup since 2006, I even played DGS Scenario with this same computer, and do you know how demanding the rhine map is with over 300 aircraft flying around?
*Pulls out the donation cup for new cpu* :D
I have I think 2 p4 chips (2.6ghz+) and a AMD64 4000+ processor laying around. I am willing to give up 1 of the p4's.
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EVery time some kid gets one here and says he does not have the money for a subscribstion they get blasted about mowing yards or washing windows.....
A fine point, all things being equal.
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I have I think 2 p4 chips (2.6ghz+) and a AMD64 4000+ processor laying around. I am willing to give up 1 of the p4's.
Dogg, Pm sir. And I'm truly Grateful sir. :salute
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how come every other game tries to stay updated... look at eve online, constant graphical updates. what makes AH players so damn poor?..
Not quite.
Remember? Eve Online just retracted their plans to force everyone to use SM 3.0 with the winter expansion this year. They are going to "upgrade" to SM 2.0 with the March 10th expansion.
Eve's graphic card requirements are only a little higher than AH2's right now.
By the way, the most prevalent SM 2 cards out there are the very same Intel GMA cards that HiTech mentioned in his post about still supporting, but with poorer appearances. Same cards Eve's Devs finally realized were very common in not only desktops but many laptops including ones being sold today. Course that doesn't mean they don't suck, but they do represent a large portion of your potential client base.
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Dogg, Pm sir. And I'm truly Grateful sir. :salute
It's people like Dogg that make the world a little nicer. :)
I am currently scraping together an old AMD Socket 939 PC for someone, shh it's a secret. :)
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I still running a 939 processor. I have a AMD64 4800 X2 with 2 gigs of 3200 DDR ram, 3 HD's (1 is a raptor), Nvidia 9800GTX 512meg and a Audigy 2zs sound card. I get 60fps 95% of the time. My game settings are 1440x990 res with 1024 Hires textures, sliders full left, Preload all textures including skins. I run my video card at 16xAA. Even when we up during FSO and we have 100+ planes lifting off at same time, My FPS are 45+ with no stutter. No I don't have the best system but like I stated in another thread, It all how you set the system up that can make all the difference. I still have a p3 1.13 ghz machine here that will run the game full sliders to left at 1024x768 res with 512 textures and get 40+ fps with lowest maybe 28fps. No I can't run any AA but it still very playable. All the info is out there on tweaking your system. U just have to make the effort to find it, read it, experiment and comeup with the best settings/tweaks for your system. :salute
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Wonder who's the lucky Lad 1701E. Whoever that person is will be highly pleased. :aok
As for Dogg, couldn't have spoken any better than that sir, as for your systems that's an darn good setup on the P3. :salute
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I custom built my newest PC, and I can play all the games I have on it. I have my crappy laptop for work related stuff.
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Do we really have to listen to why HTC cant do this to "me" and cant do that to "me" because you wont upgrade your computer.
Not at all. There's no requirement to read those posts.
It's very amusing how some people think they have a right to dictate the developers priorities just because they don't feel like upgrading their system once every decade.
You know what dictates the developers priorities? Come on, I know you do :) The Market. I would guess HTC has a pretty good handle on their perspective market. They would need to since they are not a studio that has a plethora of other in house games to fall back on if they make a bad judgment.
This topic is petty.
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This topic is petty.
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Not at all. There's no requirement to read those posts.
You know what dictates the developers priorities? Come on, I know you do :) The Market. I would guess HTC has a pretty good handle on their perspective market. They would need to since they are not a studio that has a plethora of other in house games to fall back on if they make a bad judgment.
This topic is petty.
Thought so from the beginning murdr.
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About 2 years ago I bought a new computer with plenty of memory, hard drive, blah blah. Put a higher end video card (factory of course had an onboard) and was doing very well. Then, lightning hit the tower that my broadband was on. They tried to fix it for about a week, then decided that they didn't make enough income off the people who were on that tower and decided to decommission it. That was the only broadband in my area, and still is. I now play the game with a sprint card, which is only slightly better than dial up.
My point--
Sometimes it is not the CPU one has, but what one has to connect it with HTC. Should I move? My kids really like their school and friends, but sometimes eye candy is more important I guess.
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Well I'm waitINg for Windows 7
Cheers,
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It's already out... it's called Vista. They will just be renaming it since Vista has such a bad rep.
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My moms old dell from 2000 with an nvidia 5200 and a 2.0 p4 plays ah2 just fine. I built a system a couple of years ago with an amd x2 2.4 2 gigs of ram and an nvideo 7950 gt oc. That played AH maxed out at 60 fps solid wherever. I however recently upgraded to a 9800GT and got 4 gigs of ram. My performance in AH stayed exactly the same but in newer games the difference is amazing.
Well that being said If anyone has a system that could use some ddr2 4200 let me know. I have 4 512mb sticks if anyone can put them to good use.
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I am not trying to make anything personal here Firedrgn but my main point is that I havev never read any whines on these boards about the game being too copmicated or anyone ever say that HT needs to keep the game playable to those with lower systems. What I have read were posts that said that is the reason why HT might be keeping some of the asked for features out of the game.
Every single person that has a lower than average computer that I have ever seen respond seems to me to be the type of person that not only appreciates the fact that HT has kept the game playable for them but also would understand if the game ever went beyond what their computer could handle.
HT decides what features they are putting in the game and it sounds as though try to keep a balance between the masses and I personally think they do a good job at that. Look at the new eye candy, that looks freaking awesome, but they also put in a feature that would allow low end users to continue playing as well. To me this is a sign of good business management. You are really playing alow cost game here and in order for HT to continue to do this they will need to keep it playable to as many people as they can and still find a balance of eye candy to keep everyone interested, this is not easy.
Look at it this way, every person that leaves because their system is not up to playing is income lost. To make up for this they would either need to cut back on time spent working on the game, making matters worse or charge each player more and potentially making more leave.
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I appreciate your reply. Im the same way with my computer I wont upgrade mine because of other priority's... ( wife and four children so i understand that end of it) My main point was.....those that bring it up every time HTC does something or when someone else post a suggestion or something they would like to see....
Also I would think that YES HTC wants to keep currant customers... In my business it takes 3 dollars a customer to keep one and 68 dollars to get a new customer.
Mabye im just out of touch with reality.. but Is it petty to complain about my frame rates and such not do anything about it. and interject it into conversation all the time. At the same time hope that HTC gives us more candy....
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and i have no idea what your talking about! :noid
Would you mind expanding on that?
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I was talking about the way the economy is in the toilet, unemployment lines are starting to stretch, and even once-safe jobs like state employment are getting rocky. It just seemed like bad timing for your post.
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No matter what happens, graphics are going to get better and better and the requirements are going to get higher and higher.
EVE Online's Premium Graphics is already using Shader Model 3.0, they decided to upgrade the "Classic Graphics" using Shader Model 2.0 so that laptops can still play. In the future the game will shift completely to Shader Model 3.0 which will render my desktop useless, but understand that this is inevitable.
The graphics requirements of EVE Online are far higher than this game, the reason you don't notice it as much if your FPS drops is because it's not "twitch based."
Anyway, all I'm saying is expect things to need to be replaced and upgraded. Your paying monthly for a game (instead of just once and you keep it) so it's going to evolve, if you can't afford to upgrade (I know I certainly can't right now) then there isn't much you can do.
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About 2 years ago I bought a new computer with plenty of memory, hard drive, blah blah. Put a higher end video card (factory of course had an onboard) and was doing very well. Then, lightning hit the tower that my broadband was on. They tried to fix it for about a week, then decided that they didn't make enough income off the people who were on that tower and decided to decommission it. That was the only broadband in my area, and still is. I now play the game with a sprint card, which is only slightly better than dial up.
My point--
Sometimes it is not the CPU one has, but what one has to connect it with HTC. Should I move? My kids really like their school and friends, but sometimes eye candy is more important I guess.
graphics don't have en effect on your internet ping/lag, just because it looks prettier on the user ends doesent mean it needs more data being sent to the server to keep track of you.
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graphics don't have en effect on your internet ping/lag, just because it looks prettier on the user ends doesent mean it needs more data being sent to the server to keep track of you.
Yes and no. If the computer can't process the graphics well enough/fast enough, it can create lag. Won't effect ping time, just lag as the information from the internet has to wait for the processor to finish processing everything else that was ahead of it. To put it in simple terms for the computer illiterate people, there is a waiting line and as we know, when in a line, u have to wait ur turn. Now give it that the new computers have 2,3 and even 4 cores (processors), things can be done alot quicker or at sametime.
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Yes and no. If the computer can't process the graphics well enough/fast enough, it can create lag. Won't effect ping time, just lag as the information from the internet has to wait for the processor to finish processing everything else that was ahead of it. To put it in simple terms for the computer illiterate people, there is a waiting line and as we know, when in a line, u have to wait ur turn. Now give it that the new computers have 2,3 and even 4 cores (processors), things can be done alot quicker or at sametime.
right right, but what dunrite was getting at was that if the game's graphics get upgraded his current internet connection will no longer be sufficient, asserting that better graphics = more bandwidth which is not the case.
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i'm going to selfishly stand with the I want more eye candy brigade. :uhoh
I know it's morally wrong for the poor guy not being able to play etc but I can't wait to see the new update with the water and terrain and :pray some nice explosions fire effects. they are what 6 years old?
Its time to get with the programme and quite literally blow all the competition out of the water, we know AH is best but it will be fantastic to see that it looks best too :aok
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2 dollars aday and you can build a brand new top end system...far less if your computer is upgradable....
Better yet, make it 1 dollar a day for 3 years, and you have $1095 to build an entirely new system from scratch, which like you said most likely won't be needed if you can upgrade individual components.
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What is the heart of what makes AH2 fun, the cool, state-of-the-art graphics or the other players?
Take care of what's most important first, and worry about everything else only to the extent it doesn't interfere with what's really important.
Too many businesses ignore this truth at their peril. :frown:
Also, this newestlatestbiggestfastestbes test regardless of whether you really need it mentality is what's gotten this country in debt up to its eyeballs and in such a horrible mess these days. :mad: It's called "planned obsolescence" and most consumers used to be intelligent enough to dislike it. Moore's Law says processing power will double every 18 months, but Crash's corollary is that 99% of that improvement will be wasted on useless chrome and you'll need all the extra power just to do the same things you did before without a degradation in performance. Suckers. :rolleyes:
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To an extent I'd agree with that Crash - whilst I have a machine that will run AH maxed out, its the people in the game that keep me coming back - so I wouldnt like to see them leave due to not being able to upgrade.
Progress however is inevitable, and the expectation that a 5 year old machine that is creaking along running the game currently will be able to do so indefinitely is unfortunately incorrect.
Basically, i'd love to see new graphics (planes, scenery, water whatever), but would also like to see the people remain ingame. I'm so glad thats not my decision, so c'mon guys, leave it to HTC to decide.
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I can't afford a new system so my wife volunteered to sell herself on the streets so I can keep playing. :rock
I owe my own bussiness and it has been very tough latley. If I can't afford it I just won't play. I agree just don't whine about it. Id like to see the best graphics we can get.
I started 3 yrs ago on a laptop that got an amazing 7fps. We had no additional money for me to build another puter. So I asked my wife if I could work weekends to make up the difference. So that is what I did. I didn't play for months until I upgraded my system.
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I know it is tough times out there but lets help stimulate the economy by building faster puters and playing AH :D
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I appreciate your reply. Im the same way with my computer I wont upgrade mine because of other priority's... ( wife and four children so i understand that end of it) My main point was.....those that bring it up every time HTC does something or when someone else post a suggestion or something they would like to see....
Also I would think that YES HTC wants to keep currant customers... In my business it takes 3 dollars a customer to keep one and 68 dollars to get a new customer.
Mabye im just out of touch with reality.. but Is it petty to complain about my frame rates and such not do anything about it. and interject it into conversation all the time. At the same time hope that HTC gives us more candy....
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I get what you are saying about expecting people to stop whining when they have means to fix the problem themselves and in no way do I or most peopleexpect HT to hold things up and potentially harm their business to keep things playable for us. Each person needs to decide for themselves what is the right measurewhether it be stop playing or get upgrades to system.
As far as people posting about the future graphic upgrades by HT I feel that asking how it was going to effect the lower end guys was a legit question, one I was certainly interested to get an answer to. I may have jumped the gun on you a little at first but every time someone asked the question some soul would jump in and attempt to explain again about how HT needs to make the game grow. This started to get on my nerves a little and to me was similaar to someone talking down their nose to those asking a legit question. I myself understood that concept from the begining and I am sure that almost everyone else did after the first 10 times someone tried to explain it again. Now I could have let the thread go but I kept reading it to see if HT would respond back with an answer,which he did do in a different thread, thankfully.
I appologize if I came off a little hard, I really meant nothing personal.
Sonic how much she charge and how far can I go.
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So what your saying is, .........if I bought my computer in 2000........it's old?????? Geezzz...... :mad:
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If one does not have the disposable income to spend at least $200-$300 on a new/upgraded system, perhaps it would be logical to spend those
$15.00 elsewhere.. :devil
To be honest, I've been on here when times where tight and I have a wife and two kids(one kid at the time).. However, as I told my wife, she needs to pick one addiction
I can have whether it be AH, Heroin, Coke, booze, women, whatever.. I must have that one thing that is all mine and no one can take away and any tools used to maintain that
addiction must be maintained as well.. The kids be damned, let 'em eat bagged cereal and boxed mac-n-cheese 3 times a day.. I need my AH!!!
Perhaps it's a personality flaw...?? :(
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My attempt at humor... Forgive me if this was in bad taste... :D
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Bad taste doesn't begin to describe that image.
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I've gone blind......
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Crash's corollary is that 99% of that improvement will be wasted on useless chrome and you'll need all the extra power just to do the same things you did before without a degradation in performance.
Crash's corollary nice :D
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What alot of people must also understand is the two most primary upgrades needed for any computer is a very good video card, 1-2gigs ram, and a fairly decent cpu.
With a good video card, you can crank the graphics high and use the cards full potential, further taking load off your cpu (That's the idea with a video card) Most video cards today are stronger than some of your 6 year old computers, so in effect spend 180+ on a good video card, and your basicly buying yourself a lil mini computer for all your eye candy needs.
Also with newer graphic function being used IN aceshighII... again, it will utilize your video card more, further taking load off your cpu. That's where the ram comes into play as it will give the video card more time before cpu hit's.
Of course when you have your video card, and ram, then you can take your sweet time getting a better cpu, as mostly that will just help game load time and arena load speed.
1200$? no
350$ maby a lil' more.
Do not under estimate how much more graphic functions being used by the video card can help the game itself run smoother provided your video card doesn't blow. ;)
This next update may prove more rewarding than some may suspect.
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My attempt at humor... Forgive me if this was in bad taste... :D
Hello Anodizer,
As I am ROFLMAO & spitting coffee at the same time thinking that the photo is so not right on every level! :rofl
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1200$? no
350$ maby a lil' more.
Very true. One thing to remember; over the last 6 months there has been one kind of computer that is selling; laptops (and specifically netbooks). Over the last 2 years laptop sales have outdone desktops by a decent margin.
Those laptops can't be "ungraded". It is true that laptops aren't considered "gaming machines" by most people that play games. But for HiTech, they are your potential customers. Completely discounting a large section of your market does not increase market share. Eliminating those machines also has an impact on your current player base (I know several players that run on laptops, including myself). For many of us it is simply not practical to use a desktop or upgrade our laptops for one or two games, meaning you lose us as customers. No threat, no drama, simply facts of life.
Guess what most of those laptops run as video cards, including many brand new ones. Those same crappy Intel cards that HTC specifically mentioned would still work. So HTC is paying attention to their customer base, but I'm still trying to figure out the temper tantrum that spawned this thread to begin with.....
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I have been hearing about low end systems for 3 years now....... I have a hard time believing that you guys cant get some money together in 3 years to upgrade your computers.
2 dollars aday and you can build a brand new top end system...far less if your computer is upgradable....
Do we really have to listen to why HTC cant do this to "me" and cant do that to "me" because you wont upgrade your computer.
You are willing to complain about your situation for 3 freaking years that i know of but not willing to do a dang thing about it...
EVery time some kid gets one here and says he does not have the money for a subscribstion they get blasted about mowing yards or washing windows.....
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Amen!! ....I am so tired of listening to folks trying to play this game on "two cans and some string" ....Seriously if your computer is outdated and you cannot afford to upgrade ...you have bigger problems and responsibilities then playing a game ....why Insist on holding the rest of us back?
You don't see the Quake/Unreal tournament community held back by this "two cans and some string" ...garbage
I'm no rich guy...but currently i am buying a new "box" ...because.... "the time has come"
I am paying for it by working a part time job ... brown bagging my lunch ...and cutting out cable TV ....If i can do this ...so can others
So don't cry to me about how your "two cans and some sting" PC ain't cutting the mustard ...face the facts you are NOT dedicated enough to do something about it? .....why should you be so selfish and hold back the entire comunity?
Helm ...out
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why should you be so selfish and hold back the entire comunity?
So, its "selfish" for someone to mention when changes will keep them from playing a game they may have been an active member of for a long time...
But it isn't selfish for you to tell them to go away because you want prettier things and don't care if they can play anymore? :rolleyes:
The whole thread is a mute point. HTC has already shown that they are able to make the game a lot better looking, while still supporting the older machines and those current customers. Once they mentioned those machines would still work, no one complained about the fact the graphics might even suffer from today's game; all we care is if we can still play ;)
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So don't cry to me about how your "two cans and some sting" PC ain't cutting the mustard ...face the facts you are NOT dedicated enough to do something about it? .....why should you be so selfish and hold back the entire comunity?
Dedicated enough? Everybody dedicated enough to pay their monthly fee is just as dedicated as you.
I'm fortunate enough to have an up to date rig and I don't feel I'm held back by people with lesser systems. HTC decides the horse power required for the sim, not some guy playing the game
on a six year old Dell. They're not holding back the community anymore than you're advancing it by having a new rig. Your post appears way more selfish than a guy bemoaning the fact his PC won't keep up.
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I am paying for it by working a part time job
For heavens sakes Helm ...A part time job?...I guess ya have the time,after all they only work ya what? 85 hours a week at your regular job? <G>
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What alot of people must also understand is the two most primary upgrades needed for any computer is a very good video card, 1-2gigs ram, and a fairly decent cpu.
Actually, most current gen games are more GPU critical. My wifes PC only has a dual core 2.0 Amd (about 60 bucks now), but will run COD WAW , rFactor, Red Orchestra ,or any other current game at full graphic settings smoothly with 3 ghz of ram (4 ghz is now a whole whopping 50 bucks) and a $129 9800 GT vid card from New Egg. Upgrades are probably the cheapest I've ever seen them now.
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What alot of people must also understand is the two most primary upgrades needed for any computer is a very good video card, 1-2gigs ram, and a fairly decent cpu.
With a good video card, you can crank the graphics high and use the cards full potential, further taking load off your cpu (That's the idea with a video card) Most video cards today are stronger than some of your 6 year old computers, so in effect spend 180+ on a good video card, and your basicly buying yourself a lil mini computer for all your eye candy needs.
Also with newer graphic function being used IN aceshighII... again, it will utilize your video card more, further taking load off your cpu. That's where the ram comes into play as it will give the video card more time before cpu hit's.
Of course when you have your video card, and ram, then you can take your sweet time getting a better cpu, as mostly that will just help game load time and arena load speed.
1200$? no
350$ maby a lil' more.
Do not under estimate how much more graphic functions being used by the video card can help the game itself run smoother provided your video card doesn't blow. ;)
This next update may prove more rewarding than some may suspect.
This is wrong. A video card will help but Aces High is more demanding on the CPU than the GPU as the CPU handles all the flight physics, communication between clients and servers, etc. Beyond that, to upgrade to a better video card often requires an upgrade to a better power supply at the same time which can add an additional 50% or more to what the card costs.
Adding RAM is the cheapest quickest upgrade. After that you need to look at the rest of the components as a system. You can have the best video card on the planet and if the CPU is choking it won't do you a bit of good.
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Dedicated enough? Everybody dedicated enough to pay their monthly fee is just as dedicated as you.
I'm fortunate enough to have an up to date rig and I don't feel I'm held back by people with lesser systems. HTC decides the horse power required for the sim, not some guy playing the game
on a six year old Dell. They're not holding back the community anymore than you're advancing it by having a new rig. Your post appears way more selfish than a guy bemoaning the fact his PC won't keep up.
Nothing selfish about it. Change is part of life.
You keep up ....or YOU get left behind ...the choice is yours. I have no wish for anybody to be left out.
Helm ....out
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What alot of people must also understand is the two most primary upgrades needed for any computer is a very good video card, 1-2gigs ram, and a fairly decent cpu.
Thats three things not two lol just ribbing you a bit bub
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For heavens sakes Helm ...A part time job?...I guess ya have the time,after all they only work ya what? 85 hours a week at your regular job? <G>
Pipz
Hell yeah bro' ..did 83 hrs last week. I gave notice at the part time, two more shifts to go!....working one job is gonna feel like I'm on vacation! New PC is gonna be worth it though.
I'm doing research for my next model. Gonna do a 1/35 M26 Pershing ....I'm leaning to the dragon kit at the moment. I hope to modify it up to the M45 105 mm howitzer version that served in Korea. I'll keep ya posted!
Helm ...out
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I'm starting to think this whole thread can be blamed on the "box" systems that most people buy. The average kid that wants to play games online 1 has mom and dad pay for the game/monthly membership and 2 forced to play on whatever the family bough a few years ago. The adults that play 1 have to budget the membership fee and 2 have to look long and hard at paying for an upgrade or paying the credit card bill.
I pay for 2 accounts on AH and have 2 comps. Neither of them are "top of the line" but they both play the game well enought not to complain. The system my son plays on is an old AMD Athlon 2600 with 1 Gig of ram on an old MSI board, Nvidia 5700 Vid card and an old sound card. It's 5 years old and runs Aces with a frame rate of 35-60. Mine was build a year ago with a 6750 intel, 8600 video card on an Asus P5 board and I run a solid 60 frame rate with no sound card and Vista without trimming the fat.
IIRC both systems were built for less than 700.00 each.
Best Buy computer that would be close would be 2500.00.
I understand that the average family can't afford to get a new comp every other year, I can't either, but if you want a gaming computer, do it right the first time and you will not have to.
If you want to play a game that doesn't require you to update your computer every 6 years or so, Pong is a simple download(if your hard drive is big enough to handle it) at a whopping 64 Kb
http://www.pong-story.com/pcpong.htm (http://www.pong-story.com/pcpong.htm)
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I have Pong for my Gameboy. Believe it or not it's still sort of fun once in a while but I get hooked on Tetris.
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No probs here The new update might Hit me a bit but i will just drop the quality a bit an BAM back up to 75 Frames.
I got a badass Raedon and a Pentium 4 with High Speed modem broadband Besides on the start up lag i have 75 Frames constant.
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I’m not a programmer, or business major either for that matter. But it would seem to me that in order to make the game available (and appealing) to the most PAYING customers… It should be able to be played on the AVERAGE home computer.
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Talon, you might have the worst sytem in the community now but until last April I had you beat. I was playing on:
Dell Dimension XPS T600
600 Mhz PIII
512 Mb SRAM
32 Mb AGP 2x/4x GeForce MX-440SE
Soundblaster Live! Value
2x120 Gb Hard Drives
Win98SE
I was also running frame rates in the 15-30 range running 512 textures, minimum object detail and 3 miles vis range which seemed fine to me as I had no other point of reference.
What always got to me was people on the BBs whining about turning graphic detail down in GV's being a "cheat". I wasn't trying to be gamey. It was the only way my machine could handle the game and I did voice my opinion that it was to help older machines run, not to cheat as accused by those more fortunate. Whenever a graphic update was coming I didn't whine but knew it might be the end of AH for me, at least for a while.
Of course, the only way you get a machine this old to run well is to keep it clean of adware, spyware, background processes, etc. and to do regular maintenence (i.e. disc clean-up, defrag, etc.).
I couldn't really afford a new computer either but finally bit the bullet as I knew I was hopelessly out of date. I had bought my old Dell in '99 for about $2000. Prior to that I had spent about $2000 on an IBM in '96. This time I built myself, again for about $2000 and this sytem is complete AH overkill (but I love it :) ). As a side note those systems at those prices all included things like monitors, mice, keyboards, speakers and even a printer and scanner with the first one.
If you can re-use your monitor, mouse, keyboard and speakers and build it yourself (build only the box) you can get a system that will slay what you are playing on now for under $400 (before shipping, taxes, etc.). If you can re-use your operating system, hard drives and optical drives you can do it for under $250 (before shipping, taxes, etc.). Now we aren't talking top of the line here but you should be able to run just about full graphic settings at strong frame rates.
If you'd like to upgrade and want me to assist you feel free to send me a PM.
BTW, I'm still using that old Dell as my word processing/e-mail/office machine.
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I have been hearing about low end systems for 3 years now....... I have a hard time believing that you guys cant get some money together in 3 years to upgrade your computers.
2 dollars aday and you can build a brand new top end system...far less if your computer is upgradable....
Do we really have to listen to why HTC cant do this to "me" and cant do that to "me" because you wont upgrade your computer.
You are willing to complain about your situation for 3 freaking years that i know of but not willing to do a dang thing about it...
EVery time some kid gets one here and says he does not have the money for a subscribstion they get blasted about mowing yards or washing windows.....
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Send someone $2 a week and maybe that will help.
Of course if they are that broke the most important tools take priority, a home, car, bills,.. and that stuffff called food, with some it's kids. Seems to me, people with slower computers may be that way because they have RL priorities in place. And they are rewarded by having a game to play on a cheaper system. <shrug>
Besides, the Flight Sim Gods will strike you with eternal HOs and hardware issues if you talk down people below you. Voodoo!
But that's just me. <washes hands after touching thread>
Animl
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Send someone $2 a week and maybe that will help.
Of course if they are that broke the most important tools take priority, a home, car, bills,.. and that stuffff called food, with some it's kids. Seems to me, people with slower computers may be that way because they have RL priorities in place. And they are rewarded by having a game to play on a cheaper system. <shrug>
Besides, the Flight Sim Gods will strike you with eternal HOs and hardware issues if you talk down people below you. Voodoo!
But that's just me. <washes hands after touching thread>
Animl
:aok Right on the money. Similar to my situation.
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CPU Intel Core 2 Duo Wolfdale E8400 3.0GHz FSB 1333, 6MB, 45nm CPU
Over Clocking Overclocked to: Core 2 Duo 3.7GHz*
CPU Cooling OCZ Vanquisher CPU Cooler -Socket 775,754,939,AM2
Memory 4GB DDR II 800 Memory 240 Pin (Kingston)
Motherboard ASUS P5KPL-CM Motherboard
Hard Drive 1 Western Digital 320GB 7200RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA II
Optical Drive LG 22X DVD RW + Dual Layer SATA w/ Lightscribe Technology
Video nVidia GeForce 9600GT 512MB DDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI HDTV
Audio 5.1 channel, Realtek ALC861 Audio
Network Card Onboard 10/100 Network Card
Ports 6 USB 2.0 Ports, 1 Parallel, 1 Serial
Neon Light 2 Sunbeam Cold Cathod Neon Light (Blue)
Case Raidmax Sagitta 2 Gaming Case (black / silver)
Power Supply 520 Watt Rhinoceros Heavy Duty Power Supply
thats my pc ;)
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If your pc can play this game tolerably, but your satisfaction of this game is based upon eye candy, you're missing the bigger picture
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I’m not a programmer, or business major either for that matter. But it would seem to me that in order to make the game available (and appealing) to the most PAYING customers… It should be able to be played on the AVERAGE home computer.
To maximize customers, you'd want to bias it toward the low end, because you'll lose the business of every potential customer whose machine can't run the game, while you'll only lose some of the potential customers whose machines could handle more.
How much you'd want to bias it would depend on the percentage of the latter group who'll bail, which in turn depends on what the alternatives are and what their other advantages and disadvantages are relative to AH2. Beyond that it gets into all that statistics stuff I slept through as an undergrad.
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I’m not a programmer, or business major either for that matter. But it would seem to me that in order to make the game available (and appealing) to the most PAYING customers… It should be able to be played on the AVERAGE home computer.
The problem is; .... would an "average" looking game inspire a new customer to play the game? If it looks out of date, then the new customer may never get to the "fun" part. "Average" does not inspire people to do things. Nobody is saying that Aces must look as sharp as cutting edge, but it should look 80% as good, or many new customers will pass it right by.
With out new customers this game can and will close. HTC CAN NOT count on the current player base to sustain it for ever. Peoples lives and interests change. I have been flying online since Air warrior in june of 1997, during this time I have seen at least 100+ "hardcore" "daily" players stop playing. These folks played every day. The old guard in any online game eventually get bored/tired of the game and leave. I've seen it happen over and over. If we wish for this game to continue, new players are life blood of our future. A good looking game will inspire people to play. Why everyone insists on fighting improvements is beyond me.
HTC has made many great features that make the game look better. Sadly the player base does not allow them to be used. Clouds and sunsets are a fine example of nice features that the player base has complained out of existance. It's really sad how most of the new players have never seen the beautiful sunset ...or how about the "cold front" that used to be on some maps? ...that looked amazing at sunset. I showed ACES to friend and his comment was;..."where are the clouds"? I had to explain to him that they had been complained out of existance. He looked less then impressed.
Helm ...out
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If your pc can play this game tolerably, but your satisfaction of this game is based upon eye candy, you're missing the bigger picture
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Why everyone insists on fighting improvements is beyond me.
It's quite simple: because I refuse to be a victim of the computer industry's manufactured "need" for me to continue shelling out cash for new product than isn't a meaningful improvement and replacing equipment and software that is still perfectly useful and serviceable.
I don't spend much money on the latest fashions, either. If my shirt still fits and isn't even close to worn out, I'm not going to throw it away just because some ***hole on TV tells me it it's no longer cool. Nor do I buy a shiny new car as soon as the old one gets a little dirty - and if the auto industry changed the type of fuel usable in its vehicles every three years and used its market clout to make sure fuel for the "old" cars stopped being sold, you can bet I'd get used to riding bikes and buses.
As I said a few pages up in this thread, if so many people hadn't blown through imaginary home equity and gotten up to their eyeballs in debt in this ridiculous chase after the newestlatestfastestbestest gadget, fashion, or whatever, our economy wouldn't be in the horrible shape it's in now. :furious
People looking for the next technological "wow" are going to move on to something else in six months anyway. If somebody wants to serve the niche market of us old farts who value good gameplay and good company over flashy, state-of-the-art graphics, why should that bother the people who prefer the latter? Trust me, there are PLENTY of games and companies catering to that market.
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I not sure why everyone is getting so uptight about this. I would have to believe that HTC will have video adjustments along with automatic protocols for a specific video cards capability. Example would be a Nvidia 5700 card can only use directx 8 capability and can on do certain types of drawing. Therefore the game will only use certain things that the card can produce and not overwhelm the card. Now if a person has a Nvidia 9800GTX card, the game then will say, ok, he can do directx 10 (even though the game uses dx 9) so the game will then turn on all features that this card can use. I can go alot more into detail on what cards can't and can do put I just trying to put it in simplest terms. I don't think anyone really has anything to worry about except for those who are extremely borderline alrdy (10-20fps). If u have 35+ fps right now, U may not see any difference or a small decrease in FPS. Alot will depend on how HTC codes the new graphics and hopefully he has it where it uses a .ini file that says "nvidia 5700 uses limited feature flags" or a "Nvidia 9800GTX uses all feature flags enabled". This btw is not what a actual .ini file will say but is what it means.
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I not sure why everyone is getting so uptight about this. I would have to believe that HTC will have video adjustments along with automatic protocols for a specific video cards capability. Example would be a Nvidia 5700 card can only use directx 8 capability and can on do certain types of drawing. Therefore the game will only use certain things that the card can produce and not overwhelm the card. Now if a person has a Nvidia 9800GTX card, the game then will say, ok, he can do directx 10 (even though the game uses dx 9) so the game will then turn on all features that this card can use. I can go alot more into detail on what cards can't and can do put I just trying to put it in simplest terms. I don't think anyone really has anything to worry about except for those who are extremely borderline alrdy (10-20fps). If u have 35+ fps right now, U may not see any difference or a small decrease in FPS. Alot will depend on how HTC codes the new graphics and hopefully he has it where it uses a .ini file that says "nvidia 5700 uses limited feature flags" or a "Nvidia 9800GTX uses all feature flags enabled". This btw is not what a actual .ini file will say but is what it means.
<nods> and then there's that too. I'm not sure this is what that's all about,... but it's truth. Right now I am using a stand-by video card a nivida 420 MX 64mb bottom of the barrel card,.... ok,.. it's plays the game juuuuust fine.
My bigger issue is trying to steady my x52 to actually hit what I am looking at. Still working on finding the honey spot in it, but minute adjustments in aiming are ALLL over the place. Bounce bounce bounce <ugh!>. My biggest problem has nothing at all to do with graphics. :)
As far as the game playing on many PC levels,... they are doing a killer job of that. You do NOT need a monster machine to run AH. You just need a decent machine tweaked right. I blow by some hot rod machines... on a P4 duel core 3ghz, 1gb mem.
BTW, there's a services guide on my website,... since Black Viper's is down.
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I not sure why everyone is getting so uptight about this.
Baffles me too. A businessman won't bugger his product knowingly. They make it easy for folks to buy and use what they sell.
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If money is so tight maybe one shouldn't be spending $15 a month for a game and instead be putting it in a savings account (or under your mattress, whichever you feel is safer.) Also if your computer is having that much trouble running this game at top quality it is probably older then 3 years, mine is 2 and a half years old and it could still handle much better graphics. And I think there are some tax right-offs for those of you that use your computer for work.