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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Kazaa on May 16, 2009, 08:46:16 PM
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Do you?
For those people who don’t know me, I’m a hard core gamer and have been so for the last 5 years of my life. During my gaming carrier I’ve always found myself drawn to games with the most/best online competition! I feel that HTC could do more to support said competition in AH2, sure they “big up” the best stat padders in game but that’s as far as it goes. Look at the players who win KoTH every month, they don’t even get their names on the front page for God sakes, they dam sure deserve it!
Please don’t take what I’ve said above the wrong way, I think AH2 is a fantastic game! Hell, I’ve yet to play a game with such a vast skill curve! But there just isn’t a big enough carrot to attract the millions of competitive gamers around the world.
I would love to see HTC introduce something like World of Warcraft’s very, very popular arena system into AH2. For those people who don’t know what I’m talking about, it’s a ladder system with different brackets (2v2, 3v3 and 5v5). For the system to work effectively we would need to be able to create teams and have a queue in game, maybe it could be added to the lobby. This would give players the ability to play match, after match, after match. At the end of the Month the top teams could get their names in lights and maybe even a small prize. For example, the top players in WoW arena get special titles, maybe we could do the same? To keep the system fair, the players on either team would have to fly the same A/C each match and the plane set would be random. Or we could spice things up by introducing an ENY limit for each team. Both sides would start airborne and a small distance apart, the arena would have to be complete enclosed to encourage the fight (Just like the KoTH map but much smaller). Not only will this attract the more competative gamer to AH2, but if all goes well we could be looking at having AH2 as an E-Sport!
If people reading this post agree that HTC could do more to support better competition then please give me a +1. Also if you have more ideas then feel free to post below.
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People want good fair fights....this is a good solution.
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What you speak of is a way for Hitech to make ALOT more $$$$$$$$$$$$ so he should pay attention to this idea, then he could afford some more commercials on T.V.
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"HiTech Creations was founded with a simple philosophy by Dale "HiTech" Addink in 1999. It's not to create a large corporation, a vast gaming network, or a line of online games. It's just to create a game, that is better than any other like it. Contrary to most companies, our goal is to keep the company small. We know that with a singular focus and an experienced cohesive team that enjoys its work, the production, service, support, and overall level of satisfaction will be unmatched. "
Personally I hate super competitive games because it leads to legions of trash talking 12 year olds, and poor 'play to win at any cost' gameplay. It's not about winning, it's about having fun. I guess I'm just a laid-back person.
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I agree with Motherland. If you think egos are bad now...well... Get my picture? :aok
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The most competitive people on earth always have one goal in mind, and only one. Better themselves. The other participants are just props to use in that exercise.
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So motherland your saying Hitech is independently wealthy and couldn't use an extra quarter mill a year? I call BS
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Motherland and Banshee7,
I find that the people I play with, who are gamers at the highest level are always the most respectful ones.
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Motherland and Banshee7,
I find that the people I’ve played with and against at the highest level are always the more respectful ones.
I've found that those masses that are attracted that aren't at the highest level always have insanely over inflated egos and overestimated senses of self worth. Do you think I've never played CoD, CS etc.? Those people are insane.
So motherland your saying Hitech is independently wealthy and couldn't use an extra quarter mill a year? I call BS
Hey, that's what they said, not me...
I take it that their goal is to provide an awesome platform for WWII themed combat, not one of those E-Sport things.
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I've found that those masses that are attracted that aren't at the highest level always have insanely over inflated egos and overestimated senses of self worth. Do you think I've never played CoD, CS etc.? Those people are insane.
Hey, that's what they said, not me...
That's why we have the ability to squelch. Also, your not able to communicate to the other team when in the arena. This rules out any smack talking.
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I totally agree...anything to promote fair, reasonable competition in a game full of HOing, picking retards surely would be a step in the right direction.
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That's why we have the ability to squelch. Also In WoW arena, your not able to communicate to the other team. This rules out any smack talking.
It wouldn't matter. You're talking about a shift of the entire player base from a group of relatively old flight simmers to a player base of generally 12-25 year old competitive gamers. That would shift the entire attitude of the game in a direction that would, IMO at least, be highly undesirable.
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I totally agree...anything to promote fair, reasonable competition in a game full of HOing, picking retards surely would be a step in the right direction.
1. Thing wrong with your post.... If the fight was fair, you planned it wrong.
2. Hoing was a tactic used in WWII
3. Picking- How the hell do you think pilots SURVIVED in WWII
4. the game is in a right direction IMO
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I totally agree...anything to promote fair, reasonable competition in a game full of HOing, picking retards surely would be a step in the right direction.
Well we would still get hoing, the only option would be to introduce a small frontal shield to make each player work for the kill. Either is fine with me.
Didn't they have a frontal shiled in AW?
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It wouldn't matter. You're talking about a shift of the entire player base from a group of relatively old flight simmers to a player base of generally 12-25 year old competitive gamers. That would shift the entire attitude of the game in a direction that would, IMO at least, be highly undesirable.
I’m sure the game could only benefit from more players, no matter what ages they are.
Just out of interest, may I ask how old are you Motherland?
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1. Thing wrong with your post.... If the fight was fair, you planned it wrong.
2. Hoing was a tactic used in WWII
3. Picking- How the hell do you think pilots SURVIVED in WWII
4. the game is in a right direction IMO
Genocide was a tactic used in WWII also. Do you think that would be fun? Maybe we can find a way to fit that into the game? :rolleyes:
It's a game for fun using the machines used in the largest world conflict in history as a platform. It is not a life or death struggle.
Suicide attacks were a much-used tactic.... Should we allow bomb-stuffed Zekes so we can have waves of 2-weekers and complete tards streaming endlessly into the CVs? No, that has been deemed as detrimental to gameplay and as such, crashing into targets does no damage.
Sonderkommando Elbe was a unit design specifically to ram Allied bombers. One pilot took out 2 B-24s with one such ramming attack. Should we allow players to crash into buffs?
The Sturmgruppen were ordered to do the same thing should they be unable to bring down bombers via their guns. Some did this and did so quite successfully. Why can't I crash my 190 A8, cannons blazing, into a B-17?
Because it is against the spirit of fun.
This game need not be one giant duelling arena and fights need not always be 'fair'.... but playing with no other purpose in mind other than pick the 4x cannon bird and spray head-long into anything with wings in order to 'win' is nothing short of ultra-dork.
HOs are usually easily avoided and also put the HOer at a significant disadvantage should they chose to continue to try and fight past the first merge.... So I don't often complain about it.... but advocating the HO tactic as a 'realistic' and therefore 'good' tactic is about as smart as sticking a knife in a toaster.
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I agree with Motherland. If you think egos are bad now...well... Get my picture? :aok
So you're saying I need to get a picture of you, to see a really bad ego?
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So you're saying I need to get a picture of you, to see a really bad ego?
:D
From what I hear yes :lol
(and yes I get it :))
Just out of interest, may I ask how old are you Motherland?
I think he's about the same age I am (and I'm 17).
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I'd like a lot less gamers and a lot more sim enthusiasts/history buffs within AH.
It would make a difference, in both the MA and scenarios.
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I'd like a lot less gamers and a lot more sim enthusiasts/history buffs within AH.
It would make a difference, in both the MA and scenarios.
WORD!!! Someone understands me :aok
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Maybe its me but its seems the more people that play the less I enjoy it. Im sure its just because many of us started along time ago in other sims, but back then I knew everyone. Now I dont, and it just seems to blur. Koth is a good fun way to compete, and others have done ladders. Plenty in here to keep everyone happy.
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Kazaa: Your idea would float well with the gaming community. However some of us are flight simmers not gamers.
When AH first started it was little like it is now. It was great fights, usually even and fun.
Ask Fester (citabria then) Shamus, Rob53, Ripsnort, Cavalier, Wilbuz, Saw , StSanta etc. We fought against one another and
had no problems with laughing at ourselves and the game had a touch of honor then. (If something like honor is
possible). The game was in balance tilted to the flight simmer and not the gamer. Within the last 6 to 7 years
it has become a venue for gamers. They usually know nothing of WWII History. They know little if anything about
the aircraft and the Pilots who flew them. SA and ACM are completely foreign to them.
I still fly the MA (lot's of gamers and those who game the game) but my preference is FSO and Scenarios.
If it weren't for those two types of event, I'd have left this point and click fast results lookit me game the game a good
while ago. I'm not in favor of anything that would make this more of a gamers paradise then it is now.
What a pity. If the gamers only knew what they were missing.
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+1 Even though Hajo brings up good points... Hitech needs to still do something to spark and keep interest in the players that have been here for awhile anything is worth a try atleast once.
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I’m sure the game could only benefit from more players, no matter what ages they are.
Sure, it's the type of people they are though.
Just out of interest, may I ask how old are you Motherland?
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Why not just fly challenging aircraft? That will make the fights seem more challenging. Since you are so much above the level of competition, try BnZ-ing in a P-40B or TnB in a FW-190 F8.
I checked your kills for the current tour:
Kazaa
Total kills: 380
Kills in perk planes: 252
Kills in un-perked planes: 131
Kills in Spit XVI: 65
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Well we would still get hoing, the only option would be to introduce a small frontal shield to make each player work for the kill. Either is fine with me.
Didn't they have a frontal shiled in AW?
No "frontal shiled" in AW. What they had was a randomized 10% chance of a hit on forward quarter shots. Except for planes with centerline gun packages.
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So motherland your saying Hitech is independently wealthy and couldn't use an extra quarter mill a year? I call BS
Okay. For your call of BS on this...I call CLUELESS!!! :devil
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After having played for a year or two I find I can have lots of fun just flying.
1) It's easy to find 1v1's.
2) It's easy to find 1vMany and vice versa
3) There are bombers to shoot at
4) There are ground targets to shoot at and bomb
5) You can capture a field
6) You can fight a ground battle
7) You can race jeeps
8) You can even race PT boats (no I'm not kidding :rofl )
9) You can race other planes
10) You can shoot down planes while on the ground
11) You can command a task force
12) You can attack shipping
13) You can resupply fields
14) You can fly in scenarios
15) You can fly in FSO
16) You can fly in KOTH
17) You can even have an ego in a cartoon environment
18) You can meet your cartoon friends whenever you want
19) If you're old enough you can drink and fly
20) You can even win a war
21) You can make a movie
22) You can direct a movie
23) You can watch a movie
24) You can duel someone
25) You can win prizes
26) You can belong to a squadron
27) You can have your own squadron
28) You can be a cartoon General (not that anyone will listen to you)
29) You can game the game (no one cares since everyone knows you are doing it)
30) You can fly any number of different planes
31) You can keep the game going by continuing to play
32) You can fly in many different arenas of your choice (got that? your choice)
Tell me where else you can do that for 50C a day?
Now tell me how come it's never enough?
Ren
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I know at least in the Halo 3 pro circuit you are considered burnt out around 27-30, not to be rude but there seems to be a higher number of people above this age range than below.
What I am trying to say is in the competitive gaming world, what ever the younger crowd follows is what will be a bigger hit so seeing as AH2 is more 30+ based I dont see it getting much more competitive. As gameplay in the actual game goes I dont think you will ever see the perfect arena where everyone plays to get better and improve their flying, people want to have fun.
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"I would love to see HTC introduce something like World of Warcraft’s"
If WoW is such a great fun game whay not stay with it? My grandson plays it and I think it sucks
some of the lanaguage I hear coming from that game and kids use in the game is atrocious.
I would certainly hate to see AH turn in to a gamers game. Just leave it alone and have fun or leave
the game.
Plus I hate playing any game that has as much AI as WoW does even AW sucked with it AI IMO.
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Why not just fly challenging aircraft? That will make the fights seem more challenging. Since you are so much above the level of competition, try BnZ-ing in a P-40B or TnB in a FW-190 F8.
I checked your kills for the current tour:
Kazaa
Total kills: 380
Kills in perk planes: 252
Kills in un-perked planes: 131
Kills in Spit XVI: 65
It is a good point Caldera but Kaz can fly anything extremely well, purely looking at stats is sometimes folly until you've fought the guy for hours on end.
Would be nice to have koth and an SDL match every week. So far these events are hosted by volunteers who do it out of their spare time for little or no reward. Maybe HTC can give more incentive to hosts. Or participants.
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It's a slippery slope, Kazaa.
The intardnet world is filled with countless "gamers".
The only thing keeping many of these "gamers" away from Aces High is
1) The learning curve
2) The lack of level system
3) The No-Grief PvP (do not get confused with Zangief PvP, which is frankly awesome if you've played Street Fighter 2). You get killed, the victor gets nothing, the loser loses nothing.
There are thousands of teenagers out there who have lacking real life social skills, yet have the ultimate resource (time) to be able to invest into any game that can make them feel more valid as a person. Part of the blame is on society, where of course ugly looking teenage dorks get absolutely nothing valuable in the real world, so they turn to games. As it should be. But part of the blame is also on the rest of these online gaming communites, that actually value someone's inherent worth because they have a frickin number next to their name. "Man this guy is level 27, gotta watch out"
What a joke! And yet WoW, Eve, and all other elf games thrive on this type of system. As a game designer, you'll never know the true level to which your program can be exploited until you provide some "measurable" satisfaction to the victors, because, as stated earlier, there are thousands of gamers willing to be that victor because in some small way it will validate their pathetic lives.
Aces High, do not introduce any further recognition for good gameplay. Yes, it's a good way to attract a younger, and more socially helpless population. But to maintain good fights between people who care about history, less recognition is more. We know who the good pilots are already.
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Why not just fly challenging aircraft? That will make the fights seem more challenging. Since you are so much above the level of competition, try BnZ-ing in a P-40B or TnB in a FW-190 F8.
I checked your kills for the current tour:
Kazaa
Total kills: 380
Kills in perk planes: 252
Kills in un-perked planes: 131
Kills in Spit XVI: 65
I’m not looking for a challenge per se, more competition is my goal.
"I would love to see HTC introduce something like World of Warcraft’s"
If WoW is such a great fun game whay not stay with it? My grandson plays it and I think it sucks
some of the lanaguage I hear coming from that game and kids use in the game is atrocious.
I would certainly hate to see AH turn in to a gamers game. Just leave it alone and have fun or leave
the game.
Plus I hate playing any game that has as much AI as WoW does even AW sucked with it AI IMO.
I’m not trying to turn AH2 into WoW, that part about my post was just an example of a really great system which gives people a chance to play on a truly, large scale, competitive level. I’m not sure why your ranting on about AI.
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...Hitech needs to still do something to spark and keep interest in the players that have been here for awhile anything is worth a try atleast once.
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While I agree with the sentiment, I feel that Hitech & crew do their job better than no others around in the goal of sparking interest in the players. HTC has provided us with tons of toys to play with, constantly improving and adding to the sim.
HTC provides us with the playground, and all the toys.
Its up to us to use our imaginations and do more than the usual thing we do that has us in a rut ( whatever that may be ). We are the ones who need to try at least anything once
I submit that in general, most players dont want to invest the time to truly get better and get past a point in their learning curve. This is why in a 400 player arena you will find 300 of them divided amongst a handful of low ENY cannon birds.
If you are bored in AH...
Get into different planes. There are so many!
Fly one month for score - the next month fly for k/d ratio - the next fly with your hair on fire! :)
Do a tour as a buff. Buffers, do a tour as a fighter.
M/A guys, try a historic scenario, and vice versa
And everyone should try tanking if they havnt...its fun:)
Try furball lake in the DA once in a while:)
Get a bud and try a few 1v1's. Then playback the fights in the film viewer to see how you won/lost, and why.
Each and every vehicle requires you to hone a specific skill set for improving yourself. Im a decent P38 pilot, but I suck in tanks...and I have a blast once in a while upping a few and diying repetedly...and slowly getting the knack of em too. Challenging ones self goes a long way towards relieving boredom.
Some folks sound like spoiled kids - surrounded by tvs, computers, dvds, a house with a backyard...and they are 'bored'. I tell them that at their age as an only child I played with trying to set ants on fire with a magnifying glass, made a sword out of a switch to duel with imaginary bad guys and made paper airplanes. I guess this explains why I was so patient flying Warbirds for years & waiting on updates :D
Ill wager that the stats will prove that those who are bored are victims of themselves and their own lacks of imagination...just like said kids above.
But back to the topic....a new arena set up as proposed can do no harm, and I welcome it if there is enough interest to merit HTC setting one up. And Im a die hard, history buff, pretend P38 pilot, who values his cartoon life and tries to survive each sortie:)
Consider it just another toy for the toychest:)
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Why not just fly challenging aircraft? That will make the fights seem more challenging. Since you are so much above the level of competition, try BnZ-ing in a P-40B or TnB in a FW-190 F8.
I checked your kills for the current tour:
Kazaa
Total kills: 380
Kills in perk planes: 252
Kills in un-perked planes: 131
Kills in Spit XVI: 65
LMAO... good one.
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Ok while the OP arguement seems to come across as a bit extremist (dropping the e-sport word which is probably one of the most pathetic and ironic words ever spawned)
- some people here seem to think that if a competitive ranking system was introduced the whole game would change?
It would be an addition, not a change. The game wouldn't change there'd just be a better outlet for the top sticks to compete in.. KOTH is just a bit of a mishmash that comes around twice a month.
A lot of opinions in here are so extremely exaggerated it's a bit ridiculous. If you add a competitive system it really has no bearing on the main game world.
It won't turn into counterstrike cause that general populous will stilll not have the patience to learn AH. I don't see how that would change it.
Dweebs will still ho and ram, jokers will still noe bumrush undefended bases, virtual german luftwaffe pilots will still Bore n Zoom you to death and claim that they are all about the fun of the game...
Exactly what are you opposing here?
Granted Kazaas word usage might put some people off.
not that I see any radical changes or additions to this game though. this is by far a game stuck in the 90s as far as design and multiplayer aspects go.
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I’m not looking for a challenge per se, more competition is my goal.
I’m not trying to turn AH2 into WoW, that part about my post was just an example of a really great system which gives people a chance to play on a truly, large scale, competitive level. I’m not sure why your ranting on about AI.
I don't believe it was a rant, just a comment on a game you seem to want to model this one after.
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The problem with competition in this community are the ego's of the players who are afraid to loose their rep as being godlike sticks when they loose badly to someone less known in the game.
Instead of embracing the idea of challenging yourselve to the best of your abilities you rather stay in your comfortzone.
What are you afraid of guys? Afterall its only a game right? ;)
The SDL awaits your squads application :aok
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I think you're overlooking his point because the game in question raises a lot of eyebrows (I for one would never go near it)..
He's bringing up an aspect of THAT game which could work in AH with a positive end result. I mean that particular game does have a record breaking amount of subscribers so it's not too crazy to look at some of the aspects of it to understand WHY IT HAS RECURRING SUBSCRIBERS...
I think it's because after you've reached your platue- done everything there is to do 5 times there's still an ENDGAME.
Also what keeps any MMO alive is the ongoing development of not only textures and plane models but also game dynamics.
I'm not saying to do one thing or another, i'm just saying to maybe open your eyes and look at the facts in a positive manner rather than rejecting every little thing that is brought up (based on exaggerations and unreasonable fears).
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I’m not looking for a challenge per se, more competition is my goal.
Aren't they really pretty much the same thing? If you are challenged more, then you will have to fly even better to come out on top. Try entering the fight a couple thousand feet below it, instead of above it, for a bigger challenge to yourself.
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What if I don't want to be on a team and have my free time scripted and predetermined for me?
No thanks.
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After having played for a year or two I find I can have lots of fun just flying.
1) It's easy to find 1v1's.
2) It's easy to find 1vMany and vice versa
3) There are bombers to shoot at
4) There are ground targets to shoot at and bomb
5) You can capture a field
6) You can fight a ground battle
7) You can race jeeps
8) You can even race PT boats (no I'm not kidding :rofl )
9) You can race other planes
10) You can shoot down planes while on the ground
11) You can command a task force
12) You can attack shipping
13) You can resupply fields
14) You can fly in scenarios
15) You can fly in FSO
16) You can fly in KOTH
17) You can even have an ego in a cartoon environment
18) You can meet your cartoon friends whenever you want
19) If you're old enough you can drink and fly
20) You can even win a war
21) You can make a movie
22) You can direct a movie
23) You can watch a movie
24) You can duel someone
25) You can win prizes
26) You can belong to a squadron
27) You can have your own squadron
28) You can be a cartoon General (not that anyone will listen to you)
29) You can game the game (no one cares since everyone knows you are doing it)
30) You can fly any number of different planes
31) You can keep the game going by continuing to play
32) You can fly in many different arenas of your choice (got that? your choice)
Tell me where else you can do that for 50C a day?
Now tell me how come it's never enough?
Ren
:aok
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Musta missed the post where it says you have to play this - I'll support anything that gets me a good fight.
Not that I expect to win any of them, but it beats having 1 pass, ho n haul players all around (it gets so tiresome chasing them down for a single kill)
Wurzel
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Here is a new twist to your KOTH.
Do a wingman KOTH every now and then.
:D GGHOST
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What if I don't want to be on a team and have my free time scripted and predetermined for me?
No thanks.
Another person who seems to be quite confused as to what this would entail.
WHere exactly does it say it would have any effect on how you would play? It would pretty much be a seperate arena.
Btw you are on one of 3 teams already so...
Please comprehend the thread before making these kind of "IM AMERICAN FREEDOM YEEEEA" posts.
Don't say no thanks to something that you don't care about and would clearly have no effect on how you play the game.
A system like this would be optional.
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What if I don't want to be on a team and have my free time scripted and predetermined for me?
No thanks.
It would be in entirely optional.
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Ok while the OP arguement seems to come across as a bit extremist (dropping the e-sport word which is probably one of the most pathetic and ironic words ever spawned)
- some people here seem to think that if a competitive ranking system was introduced the whole game would change?
It would be an addition, not a change. The game wouldn't change there'd just be a better outlet for the top sticks to compete in.. KOTH is just a bit of a mishmash that comes around twice a month.
A lot of opinions in here are so extremely exaggerated it's a bit ridiculous. If you add a competitive system it really has no bearing on the main game world.
It won't turn into counterstrike cause that general populous will stilll not have the patience to learn AH. I don't see how that would change it.
Dweebs will still ho and ram, jokers will still noe bumrush undefended bases, virtual german luftwaffe pilots will still Bore n Zoom you to death and claim that they are all about the fun of the game...
Exactly what are you opposing here?
Granted Kazaas word usage might put some people off.
not that I see any radical changes or additions to this game though. this is by far a game stuck in the 90s as far as design and multiplayer aspects go.
RumbleB,
I did come across way too strong, like a kid on crack. Mentioning that whole e-sport thing was highly exaggerated on my part. But I still stand behind my OP, “I feel that HTC could do more to support competition in AH2”. Adding a system which would allow players to compete on a truly, large scale, competitive level would be a great addition.
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1. Thing wrong with your post.... If the fight was fair, you planned it wrong.
2. Hoing was a tactic used in WWII
3. Picking- How the hell do you think pilots SURVIVED in WWII
4. the game is in a right direction IMO
1. Perhaps I want a fair fight, and moreover, am not so concerned with weather or not I lose it as much as weather or not I had fun.
2. This isn't WWII, I will always "survive" my AH session.
3. This isn't WWII.
4. As you said, "In your opinion." In my opinion, it's steadily gone downhill.
Thanks.
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The problem with competition in this community are the ego's of the players who are afraid to loose their rep as being godlike sticks when they loose badly to someone less known in the game.
What a waste of pixels. Who are these players?
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Personally i don't like it. Also i think they should get rid of the ranking system all together, get rid of landing kill messages too while they are at it.
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I would love to see HTC introduce something like World of Warcraft’s very, very popular arena system into AH2.
We don't need more Xboxers. Aces high is much better than wow, If you want better competition fly an older plane. Bottom line is that most folks never learn their plane to its fullest so the only way you can make the others more competitive is to fly an older bird.
2. Hoing was a tactic used in WWII
You may have missed this the first 100 times it was posted... but this is a game, I would think if you want to be competitive you'd try to out fly your competition rather than just take a 50/50 chance at him. In WWII if you died you were out of the game. If your so gung ho on taking the HO because it was done in WWII then you might think about cancelling your account when you die in that situation as the pilots who died in WWII in a HO situation had their account cancelled. This of course would all just be in staying with your arguement, "that's the way it was done in WWII".
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We don't need more Xboxers. Aces high is much better than wow, If you want better competition fly an older plane. Bottom line is that most folks never learn their plane to its fullest so the only way you can make the others more competitive is to fly an older bird.
Like I said before, I’m not looking for a challenge per se; more competition is my goal.
I think a lot of people are over exaggerating about how AH2 will completely change if we add another competitive system to the game, laughable actually.
P.S: WoW isn't on Xbox, it's on P.C.
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I think a lot of people are over exaggerating about how AH2 will completely change if we add another competitive system to the game, laughable actually.
Do you honestly think that the player base and general attitude in the game would not change with the addition of a 'hardcore' competitive game option that would attract hundreds or thousands of new players?
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P.S: WoW isn't on Xbox, it's on P.C.
I know..... the point being it only appeals to the xbox crowd.
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I don't believe it was a rant, just a comment on a game you seem to want to model this one after.
But I'm clearly not trying to model AH2 after WoW, if the above was true then I would ask for flyable Dragons instead of authentically modelled, WW2, A/C. I was just using WoW's arena system as an example to use in AH2, it would give players the ability to compete on a on a truly, large scale, competitive level.
It would be like KoTH and/or SDL, but we wouldn’t need to wait every month to compete.
Do you honestly think that the player base and general attitude in the game would not change with the addition of a 'hardcore' competitive game option that would attract hundreds or thousands of new players?
AH2's learning curve is so step that I'm sure the every day "Xbox gamer" wouldn't be able to hack it.
I'm sure it would be a total shame if AH2 could attract hundreds or even thousands of new players, the trajesty lol.
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I know..... the point being it only appeals to the xbox crowd.
:huh I'm sorry but that reply just doesn't make any sense. Let me get this right, WoW is a game on P.C and it "only appeals to the Xbox crowd" lol?
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'The XBox crowd' refers in general to young competitive egotistical gamers, not just to those that play the XBox. Probably because of the popularity of the console. Think how you call most MP3 players iPods or how people used to use Nintendo as a word for game consoles in general, when Nintendo dominated the market.
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I don't call most MP3 players iPods, I'm smart enouth to tell the differents between said iPod and any other brand.
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I don't call most MP3 players iPods, I'm smart enouth to tell the differents between said iPod and any other brand.
Well, I think anyone is smart enough to tell the 'differents' between different brands of MP3 players and Apple iPods, however generally, in spoken word at least, most people I talk to say iPod instead of MP3 player, since everyone knows what you're talking about and it's quicker to get out. Maybe it's just an American thing, though.
Anyway, that's beyond the point.
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Kinda like how we say "coke" here in the south when we are talking about soft drinks. Just because we say Coke doesn't mean we want a Coca-Cola :D
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Why not just fly challenging aircraft? That will make the fights seem more challenging. Since you are so much above the level of competition, try BnZ-ing in a P-40B or TnB in a FW-190 F8.
I checked your kills for the current tour:
Kazaa
Total kills: 380
Kills in perk planes: 252
Kills in un-perked planes: 131
Kills in Spit XVI: 65
I’m not looking for a challenge per se, more competition is my goal.
Very disappointing.
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Please read.
Ok, ok, ok... Just for arguments sake, let’s just take out the whole “attracting more players” part out from my OP. The world would surely end if AH2 got more subs.
Essentially we already have KoTH and SDL, both of which are mediums for players to compete on a competitive level every month. What I’m asking for is a system which will give players the ability to compete on a on a truly, large scale, competitive level, every minute of every day. That’s if they choose to do so.
The few people who keep bringing up “AMAGAD, I does n0t wants da Xbox crowed to take over meh game” are highly exaggerating. Do you honestly think if HTC implemented a system such as the one I’ve been stressing in this topic, that the completely next day AH2 would be overrun by Xbox squeakers? AH2’s learning curve is so step, that I’m sure our every day console tard couldn’t even hack AH2. I find the maturity level in competitive online P.C games insanely higher than that of Xbox anyway.
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Very disappointing.
In which respect?
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First of all....WoW isn't a game.....It's a life style...
Ever see what the majority of people who play WoW look like??
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/N3oN666/hmmm.jpg)
2nd, the majority who play WoW have a certain mentality which rings the same tone as the xbox/playstation mentality..
That type of mentality is inherently bad for Aces High..
This game was/is designed with flight simmers and WWII enthusiasts in-mind... Anyone else is just a tard/dweeb and most of us wait for the
day when AH no longer holds their 12 second attention span...
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Please read.
What I’m asking for is a system which will give players the ability to compete on a on a truly, large scale, competitive level, every minute of every day.
We do; it is called the main arena. The competition gets tougher the slower you fly, in particular if you're not in perked planes all month. :D
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First of all....WoW isn't a game.....It's a life style...
Ever see what the majority of people who play WoW look like??
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/N3oN666/hmmm.jpg)
2nd, the majority who play WoW have a certain mentality which rings the same tone as the xbox/playstation mentality..
You couldn't be further from the truth if you tried... :lol There are some fruit loops in WoW just like in every other game, I know I use to play it. :D
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I know..... the point being it only appeals to the xbox crowd.
This is probably very accurate.
However, ww2 flight sims is a niche market. Many of us may be approaching our 10th or 15th anniversarys flying online. As we get older, 'Xboxers' like it or not, may be the future of the sim if it is to subsist, let alone grow.
Do I see a reason for HTC to grow right now? No, not personally. I love seeing arenas that are occupied as they currently are in LWM. Id love to see all the arenas similarly occupied. The community seems strong at this time - but we dont have access to HTCs earnings report.
There may come a time that with dwindling numbers, a seperate arena like the one suggested will be a source of revenue for the game from a untapped market, and will make sense to implement. Then it will be up to the community to introduce those players to the other things the game has to offer. As posted earlier, there are no shortage of toys to play with here, but many people seem to need a guide dog to show them the way.
My kids play WoW with the same joy I play AH. They have servers for different game worlds, as well as servers for different styles of play - Player vs player ( which is what we do in AH ) . Player vs Enemy ( which is co-op play against AI ) and Role playing. The game is undeniably sucessful, and one main reason is it is all things to all people, something to suit every style.
We have this now in AH, to a degree. FSO & scenarios are role playing, the late war mains are player vs player, and unfortunately the EW ( and occasionally the MW ) have become havens for those who want to avoid human players and would rather blow stuff up in a leisurly fashion. But in our community we throw all types into one arena and attack eachother in forums for not playing the 'right' way. Endless furballer/toolshedder/hoard debates.
If HTC threw up another server with the suggested format and it attracted more players and more $$, then perhaps HTC would expand his staff, and developments make come even faster than they do now. It would be another tool in the arsenal, another toy in the toybox.
Or he would keep the biz small as hes always said he desires, show tremendous growth & cash in, selling this to MSoft, Sony, or Blizzard...and retire :)
And then the game as we know it would be gone. Try emailing a corporation re: flight model or damage model issues.
As for pc maturity vs xbox, I find bs spewed on 200 just as immature as the bs spewed on Xbox live as my kids play Gears of War, or WoW on their pcs. Either the 'xboxers' are already here, or us old farts are regressing:)
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We do; it is called the main arena. The competition gets tougher the slower you fly, in particular if you're not in perked planes all month. :D
The MA isn't competative setting imo, nuff said.
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First of all....WoW isn't a game.....It's a life style...
Ever see what the majority of people who play WoW look like??
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/N3oN666/hmmm.jpg)
2nd, the majority who play WoW have a certain mentality which rings the same tone as the xbox/playstation mentality..
That type of mentality is inherently bad for Aces High..
This game was/is designed with flight simmers and WWII enthusiasts in-mind... Anyone else is just a tard/dweeb and most of us wait for the
day when AH no longer holds their 12 second attention span...
Designed with simmers & enthusiasts? Absolutely Ano...but hasnt been delivered in that pure fashion since I tried it long ago after HT split from the WB crew. And thats probably because HT found out what the masses truly want a long time ago, and delivers it to them The most popular arena is a mish mash of all planes on all sides, on ficticious maps. 262s with zekes for wingmen in furballs. The true enthusiast arena would have realistic terrains & a historic planeset allowing you to recreate the great air battles you read about in the history books. Id call such a arena...the Axis v Allies arena :) We have it, but no one comes. Unfortunately its not what the masses want.
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You couldn't be further from the truth if you tried... :lol There are some fruit loops in WoW, just like in every other game, I know I use to play it. :D
WoW is FULL of fruitloops....
WoW is a HOMEWRECKER.... I've seen countless high school athletes quit playing sports, drop out of school, and turn into overweight buffoons because of WoW..
WoW and games like it are scourges upon the gaming world....
Games/sims are meant to be played, not lived....
The MAJORITY who play WoW spend almost all their free-time playing the game.. They turn into 30 year olds that still live with their parents..
All those things that people say about people that play WoW is ABSOLUTELY true....
Put me in the busy downtown of ANY city in the WORLD and I will point out who plays WoW, how much they play, what they weigh (most WoW players eventually end up well weighing over 300 lbs), their education, whether or not they are virgins (absolutely all who play WoW before their first piece of arse will NEVER EVER get intimate with anything except intardnet pron).
Buncha WoWer's.... I really hate those people.... Need to send 'em up on the next space shuttle or Soyuz and cast 'em out the airlock.. Good for nothing WoW'ers.... :mad: :mad: :mad:
Them and those Wapanese (white/japanese) kids... Really have a black/stinky place in my gut for them too... :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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WoW is FULL of fruitloops....
WoW is a HOMEWRECKER.... I've seen countless high school athletes quit playing sports, drop out of school, and turn into overweight buffoons because of WoW..
WoW and games like it are scourges upon the gaming world....
Games/sims are meant to be played, not lived....
The MAJORITY who play WoW spend almost all their free-time playing the game.. They turn into 30 year olds that still live with their parents..
All those things that people say about people that play WoW is ABSOLUTELY true....
Put me in the busy downtown of ANY city in the WORLD and I will point out who plays WoW, how much they play, what they weigh (most WoW players eventually end up well weighing over 300 lbs), their education, whether or not they are virgins (absolutely all who play WoW before their first piece of arse will NEVER EVER get intimate with anything except intardnet pron).
Buncha WoWer's.... I really hate those people.... Need to send up on the next space shuttle or Soyuz and cast 'em out the airlock.. Good for nuttin' WoW'ers....
Them and those Wapanese (white/japanese) kids... Really have a black/stinky place in my gut for them too...
Are you finished or would you like to continue to get further off topic, is that even possible lol? :lol
/facepalm.
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Now tell us how you really feel
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Please comprehend the thread before making these kind of "IM AMERICAN FREEDOM YEEEEA" posts.
Don't say no thanks to something that you don't care about and would clearly have no effect on how you play the game.
Hmm, are you, perhaps, trying to corner the elitest European Ahole market? The above statement was totally outta line.
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Now tell us how you really feel
haha, any chance that freak in the picture you posted tried to date your daughter? Is that why your so :furious about WoW players.
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haha, any chance that freak in the picture you posted tried to date your daughter? Is that why your so :furious about WoW players.
Ah jeeze... If you haven't gotten it already, it was a joke, friend.... :lol
But WoW does have some weird arsed lookin' people playing it......That much is a fact....
Also, I don't have daughters.. I have two boys.... And if WoW is still around when they grow up, they are absolutely forbidden from ever playing it.....ever.....
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Another person who seems to be quite confused as to what this would entail.
WHere exactly does it say it would have any effect on how you would play? It would pretty much be a seperate arena.
Btw you are on one of 3 teams already so...
Please comprehend the thread before making these kind of "IM AMERICAN FREEDOM YEEEEA" posts.
Don't say no thanks to something that you don't care about and would clearly have no effect on how you play the game.
A system like this would be optional.
Please point out exactly where in the OP is says that. I'll tell you where... NOWHERE.
And I did NOT make a "IM AMERICAN FREEDOM YEEEEA" post and am offended by your response.
So it appears my comprehension skills are fine. Your communications skills on the other hand seem to be considerably lacking. Maybe you should work on that instead of playing games.
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I’m done with this topic, people keep going way off topic. later. :salute
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Are you finished or would you like to continue to get further off topic, is that even possible lol? :lol
/facepalm.
/blocks facepalm and punches you in the throat. OOPS! I didn't mean to crush your windpipe! My bad bro!! :devil
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Your clearly don’t know the face palm expression, keyboard tuff guy! :aok
(http://www.whiterose.org/pete/blog/facepalm.jpg)
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Your clearly don’t know the face palm expression, keyboard tuff guy! :aok
(http://www.whiterose.org/pete/blog/facepalm.jpg)
Oh jeeze...I'm sorry.....
Thought you were talking about one of these...
(http://www.lyon-karate.com/p/palm_heel_strike.jpg)
Clearly need more medication to stop these violent outbursts.....
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Heres an interesting idea why not go over to WOW and ask them to add planes? Then you'd have the best of both worlds?
Please let us know the response from the WOW folks.
Ren
But I'm clearly not trying to model AH2 after WoW, if the above was true then I would ask for flyable Dragons instead of authentically modelled, WW2, A/C. I was just using WoW's arena system as an example to use in AH2, it would give players the ability to compete on a on a truly, large scale, competitive level.
It would be like KoTH and/or SDL, but we wouldn’t need to wait every month to compete.
AH2's learning curve is so step that I'm sure the every day "Xbox gamer" wouldn't be able to hack it.
I'm sure it would be a total shame if AH2 could attract hundreds or even thousands of new players, the trajesty lol.
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<hijack>Ren - Registered: 2002
Posts: 2002
Scary :uhoh
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Banshee I like you but sheesh...talk about knit noids :noid
You really need to be get outdoors sometimes :)
When you finally get a car come on down. Let's get together and do some shooting.
I'll shoot first while you handle the target.
(http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss316/ren1795/Hazardous-work-35.jpg)
:salute
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Please point out exactly where in the OP is says that. I'll tell you where... NOWHERE.
And I did NOT make a "IM AMERICAN FREEDOM YEEEEA" post and am offended by your response.
So it appears my comprehension skills are fine. Your communications skills on the other hand seem to be considerably lacking. Maybe you should work on that instead of playing games.
if you'd actually think twice about what OP wrote then you wouldn't have posted that. I read it and understood. Doesn't appear your comprehension skills are fine when you're completely wrong but whatever, ignorance is bliss. It's hard to convey something to people who have their heads stuck farther into the ground than an ostrich.
Anyways I'm done with this.
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Banshee I like you but sheesh...talk about knit noids :noid
You really need to be get outdoors sometimes :)
When you finally get a car come on down. Let's get together and do some shooting.
I'll shoot first while you handle the target.
(http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss316/ren1795/Hazardous-work-35.jpg)
:salute
I just got back from outside, and coincidentally, I was out shooting my cousin's .22. I've got my own vehicle, so I'll have to come down there one day this summer
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Ok we can shoot long range...600 yds or so.
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Ok we can shoot long range...600 yds or so.
Supply the ammo and I'll supply the drinks...I prefer Coca-Cola myself :D
Ok let's quit hijacking
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if you'd actually think twice about what OP wrote then you wouldn't have posted that. I read it and understood. Doesn't appear your comprehension skills are fine when you're completely wrong but whatever, ignorance is bliss. It's hard to convey something to people who have their heads stuck farther into the ground than an ostrich.
Anyways I'm done with this.
Again, I'll ask you to point out in the OP where it said this was an optional arena(s). Oh... that's right. It didn't.
And so you get called on the carpet for being an twit and, because you can't back up your claim that it was clearly stated in the OP that it was an option, you resort to more name calling to deflect attention from your own deficiencies.
Have you ever heard the acronym for assume?... the a@@ you made me? Your contention is that I assume one way or the other that this plan is or is not optional. I did make an assumption. That it was not optional. The only thing that needed to be said was "this plan is optional". Instead you go off on some schitzoid tanget. You are quite the tool.
So, in conclusion, not only are my comprehension skills just fine and your communications skills lacking, you also have serious social skills issues. Maybe while you're in the mental health facility you can work on your communications skills too.
Have a nice day.
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See Rules #4, #6
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I hear the skuzzy stick warming up
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"Swing Batta batta!"
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heck i dont care, this has turned into a wow/xboxer bashing thread for some reason. this thread is dead so lock it.
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I did like whoever suggested trying a wingman Koth ............
that would be a neat thing to try at least once..............
simply because ( as the topic title says )
I CRAVE MORE COMPETITION........
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Back on topic.. This used to exist. The Dueling Ladder worked this way, and happened in the DA.
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See Rule #4
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I don't think it would be a bad idea. You would still have the same results as we have with all of the different arenas. You'd havea crew that stayed in the AvA a crews that stalked the early, mid and late war and dueling arenas and this would just add one more arena for people to hangout in.. No harm no foul.
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Well this thread doesn't have long for this world. Kaz unfortunately you mentioned WoW in your OP. After reading this thread easily 3/4 of the posts are directly related to this. Shiny objects and all...you need to be careful with your wording.
Anyway, I'd advocate a small "arena" fighting system if it were easily incorporated with squad play. For example, you could potential queue up as an individual, or a group. To be honest, I doubt I would use the system much, but I really fail to see how it would detract from the community. If you think AH doesn't already have a bunch of smack-talking squeakers, tune 200 for about 10 minutes.
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If you make dumbazz assumptions followed by dumbazz comments it shouldn't be my problem.
Instead of making a dumbazz assumption and getting negative on the thread you clearly dont COMPREHEND why didnt you just ask.. instead of making a sweethearty comment about your 15 dollar freedom- fuk yeahh!!! The eagle yo the eagle!!! freedom!! liberty!! democracy!
Redefining the boundries for Dumbazzez everwhere!! :salute
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Only the immature, ignorant, unintelligent and uneducated feel the need to resort to name calling. I see all four shoes fit you.
BTW, I don't see anything wrong with freedom, liberty or democracy but I never brought anything of the sort up in this thread. You did.
I never called you any names. Again, lack of comprehension on your part. Thanks for proving my point.
I find it hilarious how much of a hypocrite you are though.
"You are quite the tool." that was you.
I haven't called you any names. I have commented on the nature what you've written. Quite different. Again, you lack comprehension abilities. This could go on forever but you clearly don't have anything to say on the OP issue even if you do finally understand what he means.
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I never called you any names. Again, lack of comprehension on your part. Thanks for proving my point.
I find it hilarious how much of a hypocrite you are though.
"You are quite the tool." that was you.
Heheheheh you are immature, unintelligent, and uneducated.... but he's not calling you any names...... except for "tool" :rofl
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Thot I'd stop IN before the lock and see how far it goes...
want some?
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I'll lock it, if I see 2 more homos eating popcorn!
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I never called you any names. Again, lack of comprehension on your part.
I haven't called you any names. I have commented on the nature what you've written. Quite different. Again, you lack comprehension abilities.
Lets briefly consider comprehension and inferrence:
Another person who seems to be quite confused...
Please comprehend the thread before making these kind of "IM AMERICAN FREEDOM YEEEEA" posts.
Doesn't appear your comprehension skills are fine... It's hard to convey something to people who have their heads stuck farther into the ground than an ostrich.
I really love this one. I won't even edit it:
If you make dumbazz assumptions followed by dumbazz comments it shouldn't be my problem.
Instead of making a dumbazz assumption and getting negative on the thread you clearly dont COMPREHEND why didnt you just ask.. instead of making a sweethearty comment about your 15 dollar freedom- fuk yeahh!!! The eagle yo the eagle!!! freedom!! liberty!! democracy!
I quite thouroughly comrehended what you wrote. You, on the other hand, did not comprehend what I wrote or even what you yourself wrote. It's beginning to appear that your skills toolbox is pretty light.
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Motherland and Banshee7,
I find that the people I play with, who are gamers at the highest level are always the most respectful ones.
I dont care who you are... thats funny! :aok
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Maybe a skin allowed for pilots with high-strikes ?
neon-green 50 strike-kills
checker black/white 100 streak-kills
red/white checker 200 strike-kills
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I do like the idea of the ladder system, whoever said that the learning curve is too steep for the everyday gamer IS correct. Most will not take the time to get good at this game. This idea is just a way for the people who enjoy KOTH to have more frequent events.
Too bad the stereotypes of WoW is such a turn off, I for one used to play and I am not some over weight socially deprived teen who is doing nothing with their life. I also have friends who have played and are going to school to become teachers, veterinarians, and doctors so not all people who play WoW are uneducated, I'm going to school for Network Administration so like I said not everyone who plays that game is a complete loser.
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I never called you any names. Again, lack of comprehension on your part. Thanks for proving my point.
I find it hilarious how much of a hypocrite you are though.
"You are quite the tool." that was you.
I haven't called you any names. I have commented on the nature what you've written. Quite different. Again, you lack comprehension abilities. This could go on forever but you clearly don't have anything to say on the OP issue even if you do finally understand what he means.
You did call him "names," in the sense of the word. His comprehension is fine, you however, are way out of line. Irregardless of how indirect your comment was to him, you were just talking down an entire country of people because of something they may or may not value more than yourself.
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Ah...the age old conumdrum of being the best. What next? Where to? It's either invent new things to be the best in, constant fruitless struggle to remain static or....just downhill. ouch. :D
:P
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well obviously alot of different view points :) On development, who knows if it will draw more players to a niche market. Would people who are not interested in WW2 era planes/combat become interested if only because of the prospect of getting an online title and a door prize? If it does, then what affect will it have on the MAs? Will HTC have to become a larger company....and if so, what effect will that have on all of the services they provide from customer support to in game developments? Does HT want a whole new set of headaches?
From a personal point of view, the day that HT starts offering door prizes and online titles to people is the day that I think AH jumps the shark. Moving away from a sandbox game, and into the realm of attempting to attract the masses for the bottom line. I think as a community, and assuming that this would be widely successful, do we really want many players in game who care nothing of the genre or the game itself, but only for rank/score/title/prizes? I can think of only 1 time HTC offered prizes....I won't get into how that went. Heck, I forgot who won.
Not trying to offend Kazaa, but I don't see how wanting more competition, but no added challenge is going to be possible. Usually with greater competition, the greater the challenge. In AH, as players get better, they can artificially up both by selecting different planes and by how they choose to fly in game. I honestly don't think that adding an in game ladder system is going to attract a huge player base, which (in the thread) seems like the motivation for HTC to implement this in the first place. And if it does, it will have an effect on the entire community. Also, there is always the possibility of starting up a ladder of your own. Ya it takes more more work on your end, and will be tougher to coordinate, but it is an option, especially if you are really zealous about this issue.
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Not trying to offend Kazaa, but I don't see how wanting more competition, but no added challenge is going to be possible.
A careful read of what he posted shows that he isn't asking for more competition...he is asking for more recognition.
In other words, just getting your name in lights in one arena isn't enough. :)
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Lets briefly consider comprehension and inferrence:
I really love this one. I won't even edit it:
I quite thouroughly comrehended what you wrote. You, on the other hand, did not comprehend what I wrote or even what you yourself wrote. It's beginning to appear that your skills toolbox is pretty light.
As Steve pointed out your sentence completely imploded on itself.
I didn't call you any names, I commented on the nature of what you wrote. That simple. You on the other hand threw out a plethora of personal insults while straight up denying it
"Only the immature, ignorant, unintelligent and uneducated feel the need to resort to name calling. I see all four shoes fit you."
Possibly the most hypocritical line I've ever read. Stop fooling yourself that you're above me. At least I'm not a hypocrite.
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As Steve pointed out your sentence completely imploded on itself.
I didn't call you any names, I commented on the nature of what you wrote. That simple. You on the other hand threw out a plethora of personal insults while straight up denying it
"Only the immature, ignorant, unintelligent and uneducated feel the need to resort to name calling. I see all four shoes fit you."
Possibly the most hypocritical line I've ever read. Stop fooling yourself that you're above me. At least I'm not a hypocrite.
And yet you've still avoided showing me where in the OP it said that this new idea was optional.
You've not only not appologized when I said I was offended, but continued to offend, not only me but literally every free democracy in the world.
You don't even know when you're calling people names and can't comprehend when you're being called a name. Nevermind, Steve will point it out for you again the next time it happens.
I stand by the my statement that you are immature, ignorant, unintelligent and uneducated. Those aren't names, they are simply observations of your behavior.
Case in point. In your third reply reply you stated:
Instead of making a dumbazz assumption and getting negative on the thread you clearly dont COMPREHEND why didnt you just ask.
And then went on to continue to insult me.
In my original post I ASKED:
What if I don't want to be on a team...
Well, DUH! And you talk about MY comprehension skills?
I'm not a hipocrit. I'm just not willing to let a backwoods Internet hillbilly push me around on the BBs. BTW, that wasn't a name either... just further observation.
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You've stooped to a pathetic level I'm not going to bother following. Enjoy your BBS cyberwarrior victory.
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-1 try a harder planes.
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It's competition here already. They're several events which you can partake in as well as trying new and much more difficult planes than your current favorites.
:salute
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It's competition here already. They're several events which you can partake in as well as trying new and much more difficult planes than your current favorites.
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AFAIK Kazaa partakes in all the competition events. He already won KOTH and right now in the SDL there aren't many matches going on. KOTH only comes around twice a week.
It would be nice to have one every week, add CM's if necessary it's not like they're paid staff. Or make a proper duelling competition once a week as koth can be a bit devious :)
Like a duelling ladder each week with a new ride. That way people would be encouraged to hit the envelope in every plane.
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If all else fails you guys could try and help (I think it's) Daddog in getting the Dueling Ladder back up.
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If all else fails you guys could try and help (I think it's) Daddog in getting the Dueling Ladder back up.
That's a start m00t. I'll PM Daddog about it. :rock
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PM me for a DA bout.....I'm sure I could dust off some old ownage skills and give you some competition. :aok
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PM me for a DA bout.....I'm sure I could dust off some old ownage skills and give you some competition. :aok
I would love to do some DA Skyrock, but unfortunate my P.C is out of action. :cry
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I don't mean to hijack this thread from the OP, but this is a good example of what this and other games that were meant purely for entertainment has become, an obsession.
Take a moment and look at what today's generation of teenagers are doing and where they are placing their priorities in life. Enjoy the game for what it is, a pastime, something to do with spare time, rainy days, etc. well after you have done the following for example: Hang out outside more often with real people, go fishing, camping, work on your car, and do as teenagers used to do many many moons ago, chase tail. :aok
Point being their is much more to your young lives than eating it up drumming up competition to play a on-line game that already eats up much of your developing time.
Whats good for business is not necessarily good for you.
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Dadsguns ingame time this month:
67 hours
Kazaa:
27
RumbleB:
22
Not sure who your post is aimed at but thanks for the life advice :)
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<<40 yrs old. Well past my teenage years.
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Not sure if there are any teenagers in this thread besides Banshee and motherland who oppose of everything mentioned in here.
I'm 23 and live a very active life else I'm sure I'd have more time to play. When I do play I'd like it to count for something however. After 4 years of this game I don't mind the competitive edge and much prefer to fight against people who are highly skilled, swhy I participate in KOTH and SDL.
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<<40 yrs old. Well past my teenage years.
40 or not 67 hours is a bit much.
Why don't you take your own advice and go outside?
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this month:
SkyRock 15hours
last month:
SkyRock 15hours
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The most competitive people on earth always have one goal in mind, and only one. Better themselves. The other participants are just props to use in that exercise.
:aok ROC
Quoted for truth
asw
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I'm 21, most of my time is spent working...
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Yeah ROC's post kinda fell on deaf ears apparently.
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I would love to see HTC introduce something like World of Warcraft’s very, very popular arena system into AH2. For those people who don’t know what I’m talking about, it’s a ladder system with different brackets (2v2, 3v3 and 5v5). For the system to work effectively we would need to be able to create teams and have a queue in game, maybe it could be added to the lobby. This would give players the ability to play match, after match, after match.
BaldEagl I don't know about you, but when something is being added to the lobby I think it would be considered optional. Sorry if the bold text blows 3/4 of your argument out of the water.
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It's competition here already. They're several events which you can partake in as well as trying new and much more difficult planes than your current favorites.
:salute
I do take part in events, time permitting ofc as most are outside my window of play.
I don't think a single person commenting about that topic really know enough about my flying style to comment on what planes I should and should not be flying.
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I don't think they commented about the plane you fly. They commented on using a plane that is inherently harder to be successful in.
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BaldEagl I don't know about you, but when something is being added to the lobby I think it would be considered optional. Sorry if the bold text blows 3/4 of your argument out of the water.
:rofl
I don't think they commented about the plane you fly. They commented on using a plane that is inherently harder to be successful in.
So when he whoops everyone in inferior planes, then what? Where's the endgame?
I'm sure in all these years of playing he's played with a lot of inferior planes. It's not like Kaz is a 2 week dweeb and in DA we always use random planes.
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I don't think they commented about the plane you fly. They commented on using a plane that is inherently harder to be successful in.
The only way to be successful in a low ENY plane, outside a 1v1 engagement is to fly with very timid tactics. I on the other hand will take up My XVI and fly it like I stole it.
Does the IX or K4 count as a low ENY plane? If so, I'm golden. :rofl
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The only way to be successful in a low ENY plane, outside a 1v1 engagement is to fly with very timid tactics. I on the other hand will take up My XVI and fly it like I stole it.
Hmm I dunno.. Greebo flies an f6f and does pretty darned good. DMF always did just fine in his spitV. I know there are plenty of other examples. :)
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:rofl
So when he whoops everyone in inferior planes, then what? Where's the endgame?
I'm sure in all these years of playing he's played with a lot of inferior planes. It's not like Kaz is a 2 week dweeb and in DA we always use random planes.
True of crouse about Kaz having reasonable experience with the whole game. But... if anyone here thinks they can whoop everyone in an inferior plane I'd like to see film of everyone being whooped..
I would like to see proof of someone who can whoop everyone in the same plane, even, before we consider if anyone is good enough to hand out 100% whoopage from ultimate disadvantage.
and now...i shall go pass out.
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Hmm I dunno.. Greebo flies an f6f and does pretty darned good. DMF always did just fine in his spitV. I know there are plenty of other examples. :)
I've not really seen Greebo's flying style in action, however, Levi was a beast in our old and uber Spitfire Mk. Vc. Open question, what ENY was that back in the day?
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I'd like a lot less gamers and a lot more sim enthusiasts/history buffs within AH.
It would make a difference, in both the MA and scenarios.
:aok
ack-ack
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I'll have to explain my idea's better in the future and definetly leave out the words "World of Warcraft". :lol
So was that a no for an in game match making system / deuling league? :D
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So when he whoops everyone in inferior planes, then what? Where's the endgame?
I'm sure in all these years of playing he's played with a lot of inferior planes. It's not like Kaz is a 2 week dweeb and in DA we always use random planes.
No one said kaz is a 2 week noob.
But since you think he is God maybe you can pray that he will design another game for you to play since your so unhappy here.
Endgame is what the xboxers look for. This game is in a constant state of ebb and flow. There is no end.
I'll have to explain my idea's better in the furture and definetly leave out the words "World of Warcraft". :lol
:rofl :rofl Good idea! :aok
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Quote from: Delirium on May 16, 2009, 10:26:58 PM
I'd like a lot less gamers and a lot more sim enthusiasts/history buffs within AH.
It would make a difference, in both the MA and scenarios.
I'm a gamer and sim enthusuast, I also have a healthy respect for WW2 history which I learn't mostly through AH2 . Can we be friends?
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Quote from: Delirium on May 16, 2009, 10:26:58 PM
I'd like a lot less gamers and a lot more sim enthusiasts/history buffs within AH.
It would make a difference, in both the MA and scenarios.
I'm a gamer and sim enthusuast, I also have a healthy respect for WW2 history which I learn't mostly through AH2 . Can we be friends?
It's a trick! Run!
BTW, he doesn't have candy in his van either... :cry
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It's a trick! Run!
BTW, he doesn't have candy in his van either... :cry
Yes I do, you just didn't look hard enough last time. Why don't you come take another look. :rofl
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The Ta152 is an ENY 5 plane. So is the XVI IIRC. So is the Tempest, and you can fly that pretty aggressively with at least as much success as timidly. Same with the F4U4. Same with the La7. You do mean 5 ENY, not ~25-35 ENY when you say 'low ENY', right?
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No one said kaz is a 2 week noob.
But since you think he is God maybe you can pray that he will design another game for you to play since your so unhappy here.
Endgame is what the xboxers look for. This game is in a constant state of ebb and flow. There is no end.
:rofl :rofl Good idea! :aok
Huh?
I haven't said I think he is God.. I'm just mentioning a hypothetical situation where he whoops everyone in inferior planes, what are you going to tell him to do then to keep it interesting?
I haven't mentioned being unhappy here either.
Please don't put words in my mouth.
I don't think you quite understand the term endgame as far as computergaming is concerned.... I'm talking about when you've tried every plane and seen every terrain(or just hit a plateu)... anyways you clearly about any suggestions or what I have to say. I'm just gonna gree with you..
The game is perfect, do nothing. It's fine. Why add anything? Aces high is the perfect game, don't need any gameplay additions whatsoever. In fact, Hitech could just retire right now. :aok
everyone happy?
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Huh?
I haven't said I think he is God.. I'm just mentioning a hypothetical situation where he whoops everyone in inferior planes, what are you going to tell him to do then to keep it interesting?
I haven't mentioned being unhappy here either.
Please don't put words in my mouth.
I don't think you quite understand the term endgame as far as computergaming is concerned.... I'm talking about when you've tried every plane and seen every terrain(or just hit a plateu)... anyways you clearly about any suggestions or what I have to say. I'm just gonna gree with you..
The game is perfect, do nothing. It's fine. Why add anything? Aces high is the perfect game, don't need any gameplay additions whatsoever. In fact, Hitech could just retire right now. :aok
everyone happy?
Cat's out of the bag Rumble. We know you get happy around guys. :eek:
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Cat's out of the bag Rumble. We know you get happy around guys. :eek:
:huh
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:huh
you're excused. ;)
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you're excused. ;)
No srsly lol... :huh
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Its a joke to Rumble. +1 if your name is rumble.
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+1 :rofl
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+1 on more squad competition.
and i flown the 109g2 (30 eny) for a year exklusive...
the SDL is the most precious 2 hours in the month. :aok :salute
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Change can be fun, sometimes it works sometime it does not. One thing for sure is if you don't try something new and just talk it to death you will never really know. For better competition here is my suggestion. Add a function to the controls that would :
1. allow you to switch your icon to user id which the other team could see.
2. allow direct vox to the player your fighting.
I think this would spice up the game. If you did a merge, punched the button and not only knew you were facing Shawk, but was able to talk to him as you fought, I am willing to bet the respect and the willingness to help each others game play would improve dramatically!
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heck i dont care, this has turned into a wow/xboxer bashing thread for some reason. this thread is dead so lock it.
What you do you expect? WoW sucks and anyone that plays it is just basically a limp wristed care bear that was accurately portrayed as the character "Jenkins" in the "Make Love, Not Warcraft" episode of South Park.
ack-ack
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TC years ago we had a 2 on 2 Tournaments. They were fun! The pairings were set and the combatants would
agree on a time and a place to meet. As everything else here has been gamed my partner and I MrWulf got
through the first two rounds in a breeze. Third round we lost a 2 out of 3. Congratulated our opponents
and saluted them only to find out later that one had a rider whos' job was to chk 6 and keep the wingman
informed about position etc.
Myself and MrWulf did not say anything about it or publicly declare a foul or cheating. We decided it would be
useless and childish. We just walked away quietly and I have never entered anything of that nature again in AH.
There is always someone willing to try anything to win. And willing in some way to do anything to tip the
balance in their favor. And for that reason I do not participate nor will I participate in anything like that again
in Aces High.
Hajo
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What you do you expect? WoW sucks and anyone that plays it is just basically a limp wristed care bear that was accurately portrayed as the character "Jenkins" in the "Make Love, Not Warcraft" episode of South Park.
Untrue sweeping generalizations sure are fun! Sorry ack-ack, you weren't the only one to make such a comment in this thread...but the most recent and pointed, surely.
Hajo I do understand what you are saying, but at the same time I see people in the MA's do "anything to win" (see shade vulching) all the time...I just don't see how implementing this tourney idea would change it in any way.
As previously noted Kazaa...let this idea simmer for a bit, re-introduce it in a few months without mention of "WoW" in your post, and bob's your uncle.
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+1.
Idea: Take some of the guys already players and train them into better competition by having more dogfight training. Many of the guys here can get better. Maybe a more advertised TA with specific daily training times w/ some rotating top players. How about a Kazaa hour during the week? I'd go.
You're not gonna get Aces High to do much though, heck they don't even switch Tuesdays to Wednesdays(Not that I'm complaining about the nice big numbers) It's a money thing for them.
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I'm sure nobody here needs tips on how to fly the XVI, the thing practically flies itself
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What you do you expect? WoW sucks and anyone that plays it is just basically a limp wristed care bear that was accurately portrayed as the character "Jenkins" in the "Make Love, Not Warcraft" episode of South Park.
ack-ack
I've never played WoW, but it's a bit silly to say that an active duelling ladder type arena would turn AH into WoW or an xbox... I mean it'd have no implication on the MA.
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And not everyone on WoW is a no life fat virgin tard....
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"HiTech Creations was founded with a simple philosophy by Dale "HiTech" Addink in 1999. It's not to create a large corporation, a vast gaming network, or a line of online games. It's just to create a game, that is better than any other like it. Contrary to most companies, our goal is to keep the company small. We know that with a singular focus and an experienced cohesive team that enjoys its work, the production, service, support, and overall level of satisfaction will be unmatched. "
Personally I hate super competitive games because it leads to legions of trash talking 12 year olds, and poor 'play to win at any cost' gameplay. It's not about winning, it's about having fun. I guess I'm just a laid-back person.
Yep I am sure HTC would rather make less money than more.. I mean why worry about making a million when u can just be skimming by on the bills...
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Yep I am sure HTC would rather make less money than more.. I mean why worry about making a million when u can just be skimming by on the bills...
Far from accurate. :)
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And not everyone on WoW is a no life fat virgin tard....
Oh, really? So you're trying to tell us that you're part of the .0001% that isn't?
ack-ack
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Oh, really? So you're trying to tell us that you're part of the .0001% that isn't?
No AKAK....he is trying to tell you that I am not a virgin! :devil
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What you do you expect? WoW sucks and anyone that plays it is just basically a limp wristed care bear that was accurately portrayed as the character "Jenkins" in the "Make Love, Not Warcraft" episode of South Park.
ack-ack
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you work for SOE on Star Wars Galaxies?
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I've not really seen Greebo's flying style in action, however, Levi was a beast in our old and uber Spitfire Mk. Vc. Open question, what ENY was that back in the day?
The ENY on the old Spit V was quite good, because nobody flew it -- around 40 when I first started flying it. JASE and I "discovered" the plane many years ago after some intense dueling sessions. Prior to that, folks mostly flew N1Ks and F4U-1Cs. The Spit IX was always a very well-balanced plane as well, and I flew that for awhile. I also flew the Typhoon back in the days when ManeTMP, Vulcan, and myself were the only regulars in it.
I've been around the block.
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What you do you expect? WoW sucks and anyone that plays it is just basically a limp wristed care bear that was accurately portrayed as the character "Jenkins" in the "Make Love, Not Warcraft" episode of South Park.
:aok
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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you work for SOE on Star Wars Galaxies?
Yep. Note the key difference...worked on it, not playing it.
ack-ack
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Levi, I overheard rumours that you played a bit of WoW yourself. Is this true? :noid
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Levi, I overheard rumours that you played a bit of WoW yourself. Is this true? :noid
Levi at the '08 Blizzcon in Anaheim cosplaying his Lvl 80 rogue.
(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g267/carolineryder/peter_pan2_1.jpg)
ack-ack
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My idea is simple, but would work for ME.
Stop the rank thing in the MA arenas and only let your own stat be accessible. No more "rank" dudes on the front page of AH
On the front page they could post winners of KOTH or other competitive events like that. They are more worthy of attention IMO.
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Levi, I overheard rumours that you played a bit of WoW yourself. Is this true? :noid
Maybe. :)
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Heres an interesting idea why not go over to WOW and ask them to add planes? Then you'd have the best of both worlds?
Please let us know the response from the WOW folks.
Ren
You did not know WOW has a quest called Aces High in which you dog fight griffins? ( I am not joking)
The next major software task is to bring server based "H2H' arenas , I.E. the ability to start new arenas by paying users on our servers. Something like the OP describe has already been considered, but not decided to code or not.
What the OP is really asking for is geared to the people who use the dueling arena now. He assumes that it would drastically change the quantity of people who wish to play. While it may incrementally (I.E. small amount) increase subscriptions it could also hurt subscriptions.
The one thing this thread does clearly show is the lack of knowledge about who plays online games. I love the stereo typing of how "The people who play my game are much better"
The things I do like about the OP are that it is an idea to add to game play, and not force existing players to play his way, as so many other topics are.
It does not require a many people to reach critical mass like other ideas.
So while the OP is obviously overly optimistic about the effects I give this one a + on the idea scale.
Hitech
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You did not know WOW has a quest called Aces High in which you dog fight griffins? ( I am not joking)
Heh, yep. It's good practice for Malygos, which uses the same vehicle mechanics in Phase 3.
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So.. Maybe there could be an in-game display of the dueling ladder standings. Visible in the Lobby? Working roughly like the briefing interface that was planned for CT. Have the standings displayed on a wall, and code things so that you could have those matches in the DA be (on the players' cue to the system, e.g. a dot command confirmation from all players involved) tallied towards the Dueling Ladder's standings. Have them be invulnerable to anyone outside the match (like the "dueling instance" from AW (IIRC) that Murdr brought up) for the duration.
Make the ladder have divisions for 1:1, 2:2, and 6:6 (or something).. At least 1:1 and 2:2; those are the sure values IMO. Put the leaders on the front page along with KOTH and SDL winners.. Next to the monthly rank winners as we have now.
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So.. Maybe there could be an in-game display of the dueling ladder standings. Visible in the Lobby? Working roughly like the briefing interface that was planned for CT. Have the standings displayed on a wall, and code things so that you could have those matches in the DA be (on the players' cue to the system, e.g. a dot command confirmation from all players involved) tallied towards the Dueling Ladder's standings. Have them be invulnerable to anyone outside the match (like the "dueling instance" from AW (IIRC) that Murdr brought up) for the duration.
Make the ladder have divisions for 1:1, 2:2, and 6:6 (or something).. At least 1:1 and 2:2; those are the sure values IMO. Put the leaders on the front page along with KOTH and SDL winners.. Next to the monthly rank winners as we have now.
bingo! it will give the people who use the DA frequently a little structure to move away from the waste of space furball lake and hopefully improve everyones ACM who would participate in such a ladder system.
choose 5 planes from a pop up list before you spawn in? air spawn? the finer details would need alot of work but wouldn't it be neat to join from the lobby where you can instantly lauch a duel and have a fight.
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So.. Maybe there could be an in-game display of the dueling ladder standings. Visible in the Lobby? Working roughly like the briefing interface that was planned for CT. Have the standings displayed on a wall, and code things so that you could have those matches in the DA be (on the players' cue to the system, e.g. a dot command confirmation from all players involved) tallied towards the Dueling Ladder's standings. Have them be invulnerable to anyone outside the match (like the "dueling instance" from AW (IIRC) that Murdr brought up) for the duration.
Make the ladder have divisions for 1:1, 2:2, and 6:6 (or something).. At least 1:1 and 2:2; those are the sure values IMO. Put the leaders on the front page along with KOTH and SDL winners.. Next to the monthly rank winners as we have now.
:aok :aok :aok :aok :aok
Quality suggestion. Finally someone posting with substance besides the 11 pages of closeminded xbox/wowcry.
I don't see how this would lose any subs. In fact it might just keep me and some of my squaddies actually subscribing. AH is a great game but it's getting a bit boring to me, this on the other hand would be a superb endgame and a compelling reason for me to stay.
I third this notion.
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Agreed......... And if any noobs make another WOW comparison they should be excluded from gaming here forever!!!
Besides..... 8 player would calm down the pilots that hate the present day game environment but without any ego boosts........... So just ask for them to bring that back! :rock
I agree with Motherland. If you think egos are bad now...well... Get my picture? :aok
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Levi at the '08 Blizzcon in Anaheim cosplaying his Lvl 80 rogue.
(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g267/carolineryder/peter_pan2_1.jpg)
ack-ack
lol, Rogues don't wear cloth.
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lol, Rogues don't wear cloth.
phhbbbttt Rogues.
Real men do it in plate.
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You did not know WOW has a quest called Aces High in which you dog fight griffins? ( I am not joking)
The next major software task is to bring server based "H2H' arenas , I.E. the ability to start new arenas by paying users on our servers. Something like the OP describe has already been considered, but not decided to code or not.
What the OP is really asking for is geared to the people who use the dueling arena now. He assumes that it would drastically change the quantity of people who wish to play. While it may incrementally (I.E. small amount) increase subscriptions it could also hurt subscriptions.
The one thing this thread does clearly show is the lack of knowledge about who plays online games. I love the stereo typing of how "The people who play my game are much better"
The things I do like about the OP are that it is an idea to add to game play, and not force existing players to play his way, as so many other topics are.
It does not require a many people to reach critical mass like other ideas.
So while the OP is obviously overly optimistic about the effects I give this one a + on the idea scale.
Hitech
Something I did realised very shortly on after my OP was that I came across way to extremist, mentioning the game of which we do not speak of didn’t help my cause either and I only have myself to blame. However, the predigests by some people posting in this thread is simply laughable.
I still stand by my OP, currently we only have competitive events which come around one or twice a month, and these are setup by the player community. I truly do believe that adding a system which would allow players to compete on a larger scale would be a fantastic addition to AH2. Like RumbleB said, it “would be a superb endgame and a compelling reason for me to stay”
So.. Maybe there could be an in-game display of the dueling ladder standings. Visible in the Lobby? Working roughly like the briefing interface that was planned for CT. Have the standings displayed on a wall, and code things so that you could have those matches in the DA be (on the players' cue to the system, e.g. a dot command confirmation from all players involved) tallied towards the Dueling Ladder's standings. Have them be invulnerable to anyone outside the match (like the "dueling instance" from AW (IIRC) that Murdr brought up) for the duration.
Make the ladder have divisions for 1:1, 2:2, and 6:6 (or something).. At least 1:1 and 2:2; those are the sure values IMO. Put the leaders on the front page along with KOTH and SDL winners.. Next to the monthly rank winners as we have now.
+1
I would say 2v2 and 3v3 would be the best layout to start with. Any less and it's just like KoTH, any more and it's just like SDL. I could see this system replacing both if it was added...
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why reset them every month? If a ladder system is implemented I'd like to see it go on all year. The top 16 could then have a knockout competition at the end of the year. Similiar to TOC but this would be strictly 1vs1 or 2vs2.
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"I would say 2v2 and 3v3 would be the best layout to start with. Any less and it's just like KoTH, any more and it's just like SDL."
Well.. KOTH isn't 1:1 at all (has more to do with predicting the way clumps of 1-5 player furballs will go), so a 1:1 division would definitely be interesting. IIRC there was an overlap in the AHDL and KOTH respective lifetimes. The SDL could be a separate division that's also displayed in that hypothetical lobby's standings billboard. I don't think these are mutually exclusive as far as Lobby display and official sanctioning goes.
Dunno if you mean my suggestion, on the monthly reset. The way I'd do it would be to have a monthly display of the top standings on the HTC home page, for all "divisions" (1:1, 2:2, SDL) like they do for scoring (regardless of the reset for that). There wouldn't have to be a reset for the dueling ladder divisions.
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why reset them every month? If a ladder system is implemented I'd like to see it go on all year. The top 16 could then have a knockout competition at the end of the year. Similiar to TOC but this would be strictly 1vs1 or 2vs2.
I'm not sure about all year, every month would give players a chance to start over fresh and it would coincide with tour scores also. Reset is always healthy.
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what i'm getting at is more of a dueling rating (like a level up :t) if you wiped them every month you won't have a cumulative record.
for example over the course of 3 months you wooped me 80% of the time but then I got better and started wooping you for the next 3 months, our ratings would be fairly similiar (not counting whether we started fighting other higher rated people in between). Either way a ladder system that represents who is the daddy and not who can game the scoring categories the best. restricting yourself to a months worth of dueling won't gauge progress over time or give you a better average of the top top sticks.
a monthly position update would be good as m00t suggested. or a searchable function. Say who has most dueling kills, who killed the most in certain plane types. K/D ratio factored in.
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Bruv, you'll have to speak to me about it on vent...
The system that I'm use to is very hard for me to explain, so I will not bother trying.
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The search capability could be done like for score/rank/stats now. It would look thru stats gathered from "duel instance" events.
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Might just join this name in light charade, just to try and beat you all and make you wish you had not suggested it. But I will get bored of domination quickly and go back to my usual self. Even if i fail to beat you all I can fall back on why I enjoy the game currently.
Dont see why this is any different to the score page or name in lights for landing kills. You want your name in lights for this, so you better not again complain that someone else wants their names in lights for landing 10 cherry picks in a tempest.
Anyhow, what will you lot do to ease the pain next time you get bored of being the best at something? Make a new system to rank up?
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Might just join this name in light charade, just to try and beat you all and make you wish you had not suggested it. But I will get bored of domination quickly and go back to my usual self. Even if i fail to beat you all I can fall back on why I enjoy the game currently.
Dont see why this is any different to the score page or name in lights for landing kills. You want your name in lights for this, so you better not again complain that someone else wants their names in lights for landing 10 cherry picks in a tempest.
This system would be different because it’s completely fair.
Anyhow, what will you lot do to ease the pain next time you get bored of being the best at something? Make a new system to rank up?
I don't know, I can safely say that I've never been the best at anything yet.
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fairplay, me too :aok
(apart from augering, im the best at that there is)
I dont think any system is ever completely water tight when real people compete against each other.
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The good ol' days.... :rofl
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/bayoubeach/odyssey.jpg)
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The good ol' days.... :rofl
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/bayoubeach/odyssey.jpg)
Was that the 70's Xbox generation... :lol
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THat right there is pre-2600 even..........
Was that the 70's Xbox generation... :lol
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The good ol' days.... :rofl
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/bayoubeach/odyssey.jpg)
do you and your mrs still talk to each other dads? I heard those ping pong forums got pretty brutal after a couple of hardcore sessions back and forth. The whines about extra speed hacks and excess spin off the walls were chronic.
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But I will get bored of domination quickly
yeah, I guess me owning the hell out of you would get boring on your end... :aok
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SkyRock owns
Wait for it...
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SkyRock owns
Wait for it...
we want to read the unedited version!! :furious
:devil
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<----rents SkyRock out on the weekends. :rock
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yeah, I guess me owning the hell out of you would get boring on your end... :aok
Not at all mate, you can own as much hell of mine as you like.
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Young sticks like me need to be put in their place almost daily. Bring the pain sometime Skyrock :) .
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Young sticks like me need to be put in their place almost daily. Bring the pain sometime Skyrock :) .
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I smell 80th scum... :D
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Doh... nope kermit was just burning frog...... they have it yearly in New Mexico :P