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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SFRT - Frenchy on May 19, 2009, 12:01:45 PM
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So I'm bitting the bullit, I ordered the 2010 GT. It's actually in backorder right now as the "track pack" is not available yet. On second thoughts, I might ditch the $1,400 "track pack", and get the $400 "3.73/dual piston brakes" pack instead with the "Scoops pack 5". I'll put my own rims and shocks anayway, don't care much for the GT500 lower arms nor those summer only P0s. I can add the Ford Sway bars later too.
(http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs028.snc1/4288_83954826307_790661307_1758560_7294628_n.jpg)
Anyway, I know some here monkeyed around with their 05-09s, what did you do on them, how much $$$, did it end up being worth it?
... and no I should not have bought the Camaro SS, sure better performances but not too crazy about the inside/outside look :)
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Frenchy,
Is that you in the pic? Also, is that out at the LHM Speedway in Grantsville? Not much of a Ford guy myself, but some of those new Mustangs are damn nice, and I'm sure fun as hell to drive.
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Yeah it was last week end at MMP :cool:
The car is ok to drive, 315HP is not too crazy. The inside is really tons quiet compared to the 05-09s, even on the freeway, but when u hammer it the engine comes alive thanks to the muffler/cockpit reonace box thingy. The interior looks way less plasticky, with a lot of warped leather. I digg the car a lot, will be a great lil daily driver.
Go get a test drive, they are free off course, I can PM u my sales women, she's pretty kick back on what u do when u "test drive" it :devil
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It's even my color, too!
I wish Ihad $30,000. :(
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I don't either, that's what financing's for. :cry
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I'll have to stick with the trusty Ol' Xterra for a while. The GF (soon to be wife) loves Mustangs, but since we are in the middle of buying a home financing a new car wouldn't fly too well I'm afraid. Sweet car though, I'll assume it's you when a red flash flies by on I-15.
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U still can test drive one, u don't have to buy it right? :t Have fun, bring ur misses then go have a burger.
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So I'm bitting the bullit, I ordered the 2010 GT. It's actually in backorder right now as the "track pack" is not available yet. On second thoughts, I might ditch the $1,400 "track pack", and get the $400 "3.73/dual piston brakes" pack instead with the "Scoops pack 5". I'll put my own rims and shocks anayway, don't care much for the GT500 lower arms nor those summer only P0s. I can add the Ford Sway bars later too.
(http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs028.snc1/4288_83954826307_790661307_1758560_7294628_n.jpg)
Anyway, I know some here monkeyed around with their 05-09s, what did you do on them, how much $$$, did it end up being worth it?
... and no I should not have bought the Camaro SS, sure better performances but not too crazy about the inside/outside look :)
Go with the Ford suspension addons before the power addons- the new-gens have enough power to get up and go, but lousy braking and handling when stock. I got an upgraded suspension on mine, and love it. The only power adders I've got are an aftermarket CAI and a new exhaust that hasn't been installed yet. I have more than enough go to get in trouble, but it handles a lot better than any other Mustang I've driven.
And look into lowering springs- the 05+ ponies look like a rollerskate from the side, they come way too high off the ground from the factory. Mine's lowered 1.5" and aside from being a bit stiffer handles much better and looks totally different- much more aggressive stance.
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U still can test drive one, u don't have to buy it right? :t Have fun, bring ur misses then go have a burger.
Think this one through, taking the better half to test drive a car that she absolutely loves with the intent NOT to buy it? I guess I can kiss sex goodbye for the rest of my life. I can see it now.. Never getting passed 2nd base again. It's quite a gamble! Then there is the sacred oath I swore to never be seen in a Ford ;). Which dealership did you get it from?
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Champion I15/9000S, tell Yvonne the French guy sent u.
Here's how u play it:
Honey, how about a lil treat this week end. I know we can't really afford one, but you love those Mustangs. I arranged a test drive of a brand new 2010 GT for YOU to test drive one, I'll seat on the right seat. Then we go eat somewhere and have "thank you" sex all afternoon.
That's how u roll dog, French lover style. :cool:
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Champion I15/9000S, tell Yvonne the French guy sent u.
Here's how u play it:
Honey, how about a lil treat this week end. I know we can't really afford one, but you love those Mustangs. I arranged a test drive of a brand new 2010 GT for YOU to test drive one, I'll seat on the right seat. Then we go eat somewhere and have "thank you" sex all afternoon.
That's how u roll dog, French lover style. :cool:
Sounds like a good plan, except that not even "Thank You" sex is worth letting a woman drive me around! I want to live!!!!!
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I can't even afford to FINANCE $30,000. Maybe if I moved back home with mom and can put that rent money to the car instead....
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Sounds like a good plan, except that not even "Thank You" sex is worth letting a woman drive me around! I want to live!!!!!
EXACTLY what I was thinking, :rofl
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The mustangs look nice. The new bottom end Camaro with a V6 has more horses and torque under the hood though.
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Go with the Ford suspension addons before the power addons- the new-gens have enough power to get up and go, but lousy braking and handling when stock. I got an upgraded suspension on mine, and love it. The only power adders I've got are an aftermarket CAI and a new exhaust that hasn't been installed yet. I have more than enough go to get in trouble, but it handles a lot better than any other Mustang I've driven.
And look into lowering springs- the 05+ ponies look like a rollerskate from the side, they come way too high off the ground from the factory. Mine's lowered 1.5" and aside from being a bit stiffer handles much better and looks totally different- much more aggressive stance.
Like I said, I was thinking of putting my own springs, did you installed the 1.5" from Ford Racing, or u used an another after market company? BTW, the 10 surprised all the test drivers about how much better the car handles compared to the 05s. They did a lot of work on this car to erradicate the complaints of the 05s.
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Like I said, I was thinking of putting my own springs, did you installed the 1.5" from Ford Racing, or u used an another after market company? BTW, the 10 surprised all the test drivers about how much better the car handles compared to the 05s. They did a lot of work on this car to erradicate the complaints of the 05s.
I got aftermarket (Sprint) springs but Ford Racing shocks, struts and swaybars.
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The mustangs look nice. The new bottom end Camaro with a V6 has more horses and torque under the hood though.
Not quite 304HP for the V6 Camaro (315 for the GT), but for $22K base price it's a steal. It's 300 lbs heavier than the tangtang though :frown:
Edmund had a pretty good comparaison:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=144526/pageId=163765 (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=144526/pageId=163765)
TangTang:
68.4 mph 0.91 skidpad
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Camaro SS:
68.6 mph 0.88 skidpad.
Not bad for 115HP less and a live axle. Plus the Camaro still doesn't appeal to me much in the shape. I think it looks cool, but I'd get borred with it quick. For the interior, there's no comparaison, trully grinded at the Camaro's big square guage clusters/fat steering wheel. That's me anyway.
I think some wet their pants with silly paper numbers, but it all should boil down to what u like to see in your driveway in the morning.
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Frenchy, just curious - Do you have any idea how difficult it'd be to tear out those 300 extra pounds? Or are they in the bones?
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No idea Moot, I'm sure like all cars, u can remove all the seat/door panel/carpet, sound padding and put $$$ light wheels ... maybe even tubular suspension stuff? But why spend money on a brand new car to junk half of it? :confused:
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I'm just curious why it'd be a whole 300 lbs heavier like that, other than because of disposable ballast.
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The freacking Challenger is even worse, it's almost 600 lbs :huh
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There's gotta be a gearhead who posts on forums or blogs, somewhere, that's taken one of em apart to figure this out.
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Well my youngest daughter is getting a black camaro for graduation. She saw the halo lights and wanted those too. It'll have dark pink racing stripes applied by Mobile Graphics. In the fall she is off to A&M. She has an '04 mustang that she has had since she was 16. It is gun metal grey and will probably stay in the family.
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You are spoiling this kid :D
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The extra weight's probably in the engine:
4. something in the Stang versus 6 point something in the Camaro
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The extra weight's probably in the engine:
4. something in the Stang versus 6 point something in the Camaro
I seriously doubt there is more than 50 lbs difference in the engine weights if that much. The IRS is heavier and would be some of the difference and it may be the chassis build is heavier to use the IRS. I have seen a big increase in car weight over the last few years and even the BMWs are over 4k in the 5 series. Unfathomable.
Word
Mark
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That's the Torch Red on my 05, great color.
I'm still out on the new body tweaks, saw a gold 2010 next to mine a couple of days ago. A few little creases and the nose looks a bit squished but that is purely because I'm used to mine, I still love the new ones and there is more room inside on the 10s. I was really counting on more of a lift over the rear wheels. It didn't come out as dramatic as I thought it would.
My 05 now has 70k of my fat butt molded into the seat, I'm thinking I might buy a new 09. Hard to do though, the new ones feel nice and tight, but I know every inch of the old one.
I've left mine alone till the warranty runs out. Then I've got suspension first, followed up with brakes, then engine mods. Another reason to keep the old one, a new one I'd have to wait on the warranty again and I want to PLAY :D
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There's a million Steeda/Shelby/Ford Racing/Rouch perf parts that still aloow u to keep ur warranty. Hell the 500HP blower from FR will keep ur warranty.
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I rented a Shelby GT-H from Hertz, right after they came out a couple of years ago. I was in San Diego at a buddies wedding. The car had 12 miles on it when I picked it up, and had been delivered to the Hertz the day prior. Fabulous weekend and a good car to have in SoCal. Anyway, ever since then, I've wanted to pick up a Mustang as a toy-car. It'll have to wait for a while, but good luck with your purchase--that's a gorgeous automobile.
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Do you realize that a bone stock $6000 2001 Z-28 will still suck the doors off that mustang, right? My pontiac G8 is rated at over 360hp, yet it gets almost identical dyno numbers as the f-bodies rated at 305hp. That means every one of those camaros and firebirds running around with "305 hp" LS1s are really toting around over 360hp from the factory.
Yea, styling. And a used car will of course need work. But you can find really nice used f-body cars for not very much money, and for just a few more bucks you can make them much much faster and better handling than any $50,000+ mustang.
On a related note, today both a hopped up supra and a beautiful brand new vette with dealer tags still on the car wanted to race me while I was driving my new G8 home from work. I guess the word is getting around about the G8 GT and GXP :) Very few things on the automotive market today are as appealing as the LS series motors, even when stuffed into a 4000lb sedan :)
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Are you going to use the stuff you put on it? That's what you should ask yourself. I was thinking about putting all this fancy racing stuff on mine, but then, I thought about how stupid it is to race where there's nowhere to race, at 16... You could hurt yourself, and others. Very dangerous.
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I'm just curious why it'd be a whole 300 lbs heavier like that, other than because of disposable ballast.
one of the most expensive things in motorcycle racing is weight loss. This is mainly due to the fact that it is achieved by using different materials to manufacture the same parts, i.e. steel tank replaced by carbon fibre tank. Just look at some of our modern day GVs made out of stronger lighter composite materials.
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steel tank replaced by carbon fibre tank...
I'm honestly hoping you haven't installed a carbon fiber fuel tank on anything...plastic, fiberglass or Kevlar for fuel.
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http://www.durbahn.de/
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2429/3548807784_b236a43e42.jpg) (http://durbahn.de/1098_fueltank_story.htm)
Phatzo - Stripping weight from an MC (that's usually already a homologation model) for racing, and gutting extraneous stuff from a stock modern production car are pretty different premises.
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Do you realize that a bone stock $6000 2001 Z-28 will still suck the doors off that mustang, right? My pontiac G8 is rated at over 360hp, yet it gets almost identical dyno numbers as the f-bodies rated at 305hp. That means every one of those camaros and firebirds running around with "305 hp" LS1s are really toting around over 360hp from the factory.
Yea, styling. And a used car will of course need work. But you can find really nice used f-body cars for not very much money, and for just a few more bucks you can make them much much faster and better handling than any $50,000+ mustang.
On a related note, today both a hopped up supra and a beautiful brand new vette with dealer tags still on the car wanted to race me while I was driving my new G8 home from work. I guess the word is getting around about the G8 GT and GXP :) Very few things on the automotive market today are as appealing as the LS series motors, even when stuffed into a 4000lb sedan :)
:rofl I heard/hear this type of comment a lot, and I quite fail to graps the concept. What makes someone think that a guy buying a $30K+ car would not get an old $6000 bucket if he wanted to? No offense to Whiteman's taste :aok.
Why would need a Z28 anyway? I already have a 73 455 Pontiac Formula, and a 1972 400HP+ Ford Tomato http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFukZRAX1gU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFukZRAX1gU). I'll spend the $6000 in my 455 to get a Buttler Performance pump gas 550HP 461. :)
With today's access to after market parts anything can blow your door off. Last year I pull at the light next to a Dodge Neon. The guy reved it up, the high pitch whine of his force aspiration gave static to my stereo system. When the light turned green, I eard a jet engine sound, followed by a bang, and a shockwave blew me backward. The guy was gone. :rock Now make a survey out there, about would you would rather drive a Dodge neon with SR71 letters on the back, or a classic restored 73 Firebird? Having a car can't be all about a desperate manhood boost where you end up being "The coolest guy you know". :lol
I love the shape of the new tangtang, I know how I'll make it my own : Torch red, warp around white stripes, window loovers, side scoops, 1.5" lowering kit, black rims/red lip. You don't like it? Why would I care. Your moped is faster than? Why would I care? Your BMW has more cargo room? Why would I care? Your stock pinto brakes are bigger than mine? Why would I care?
You got the picture, too many monkeys drive stuff they don't really like just in the hope they can impress someone once a month. I own/drive for me. In the morning, I look in my driveway and I pick ... 2010 Mustang GT, 73 Firebird, 72 Torino, 72 Dodge Monaco, 86 F250 diesel, 03 Saturn Ion, 75 CB750. Kills me in freacking insurance, but that's what I like in life. I hope I'll be able to keep doing that ... and even add more :pray
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A ridiculously fast car doesn't have to be about showing off. Maybe the guy is just addicted to the speed.
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I'm honestly hoping you haven't installed a carbon fiber fuel tank on anything...plastic, fiberglass or Kevlar for fuel.
Missread.....carbon fiber has a similar structure to kevlar and both make dangerous fuel cells. They crack way to easy when pushed beyond there yeild strength ie crash. Same for fiberglass....
Aluminum, steel or plastic for fuel cells or any fuel item.....
Strip
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So I'm bitting the bullit, I ordered the 2010 GT. It's actually in backorder right now as the "track pack" is not available yet. On second thoughts, I might ditch the $1,400 "track pack", and get the $400 "3.73/dual piston brakes" pack instead with the "Scoops pack 5". I'll put my own rims and shocks anayway, don't care much for the GT500 lower arms nor those summer only P0s. I can add the Ford Sway bars later too.
(http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs028.snc1/4288_83954826307_790661307_1758560_7294628_n.jpg)
Anyway, I know some here monkeyed around with their 05-09s, what did you do on them, how much $$$, did it end up being worth it?
... and no I should not have bought the Camaro SS, sure better performances but not too crazy about the inside/outside look :)
can you afford to upgrade to the GT500? it has a supercharged 5.4 with just a smidgen over 500hp.
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Well my youngest daughter is getting a black camaro for graduation. She saw the halo lights and wanted those too. It'll have dark pink racing stripes applied by Mobile Graphics. In the fall she is off to A&M. She has an '04 mustang that she has had since she was 16. It is gun metal grey and will probably stay in the family.
betcha within a week, she asks for the mustang back. :D
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I might almost be tempted to get a new Challenger (a few of my coworkers have them, and love them), but those Camaros just don't do it for me. Look too much like a brick with a mailslot in the front to me.
I'm quite happy with my 'Stang, TYVM. :)
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Guess what color my 05 mustang GT is???????????
Sonicblue It's one of the best colors out there kind of a blue purple.
Anyways looking at getting the vortex charger and air cooler and the swing up doors. Of course when i have the doe ray me to spend on it.
My wife bought it for me it has been a a lot of fun.
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Guess what color my 05 mustang GT is???????????
Sonicblue It's one of the best colors out there kind of a blue purple.
Anyways looking at getting the vortex charger and air cooler and the swing up doors. Of course when i have the doe ray me to spend on it.
My wife bought it for me it has been a a lot of fun.
WHY do you want swingup doors? Those are the ugliest, most ghetto addition you can make to any car! Don't forget the three foot tall whaletail spoiler while you're at it. :furious
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I might almost be tempted to get a new Challenger (a few of my coworkers have them, and love them), but those Camaros just don't do it for me. Look too much like a brick with a mailslot in the front to me.
I'm quite happy with my 'Stang, TYVM. :)
in all honesty......i think this camaro is the first good looking camaro that gm's made since the 69.
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in all honesty......i think this camaro is the first good looking camaro that gm's made since the 69.
I'll modify your statement to say GM hasn't made a good Camaro since 1969. :)
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I guess the word is getting around about the G8 GT and GXP
In a couple of years, when Pontiac is a fading memory, these are going to be used-car steals.
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mmmm compare your new mustang mileage to the new camaro.
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Right now I'm looking at two options when my lease is up on my 2007 Milan.
1.) Get a 2010 Milan.
2.) Get a used 06ish Mustang GT (with a stick) and throw a:
Hood with a Ram Air Kit (or I may go with a Shaker Hood Kit and a modified 1970 paint scheme)
Cervini's Side Exhaust kit (always liked the look since the 10.0L Boss from SVT)
C&L Cold Air Intake on it.
Our 7 year old son can now make the wife roll her eyes, by pointing out every Mustang we come across. He really wants me to get a Mustang and further complicating things, I've always wanted one myself. I'm hoping I can swing getting a Mustang because I KNOW, our son will want to help modify it. He already helps me on my Jeep.
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http://www.durbahn.de/
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2429/3548807784_b236a43e42.jpg) (http://durbahn.de/1098_fueltank_story.htm)
Phatzo - Stripping weight from an MC (that's usually already a homologation model) for racing, and gutting extraneous stuff from a stock modern production car are pretty different premises.
That's probably a tank made from something else that has a carbon fiber cover on it, or the outermost layer of the composite is the carbon. Carbon fiber possesses very high electrical conductivity, and so not suited for fuel tanks--doesn't have anything to do with impact resistance. Kevlar, fiberglass, and plastic hare extremely low electrical conductivity, so they are better alternatives.
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can you afford to upgrade to the GT500? it has a supercharged 5.4 with just a smidgen over 500hp.
Heu ... no. For that price, I would get a used Corvette Z06. :rock
I might almost be tempted to get a new Challenger (a few of my coworkers have them, and love them),
They look hella cool, but they are very big cars, almost 600 lb more than the tangtang. Great highway cruisers.
As a side note, Ford anounced the return of the 5.0 in 2011 for the Mustang with 400/400.:pray
:lol I guess it's like computers, as soon as you are happy with something u just bought, something cooler pops up.
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Heu ... no. For that price, I would get a used Corvette Z06. :rock
They look hella cool, but they are very big cars, almost 600 lb more than the tangtang. Great highway cruisers.
As a side note, Ford anounced the return of the 5.0 in 2011 for the Mustang with 400/400.:pray
:lol I guess it's like computers, as soon as you are happy with something u just bought, something cooler pops up.
Huh, you can find used GT500's on stang.net for around $30-35k.
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Substitute the color for blue, with blue custom pony interior, and this is the car I found on a used car lot for $600, in 1973, with 20,000 miles on it. (http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/66mustang.jpg)
She was a '66 like this one with the same 289 V8, "one of the great all time V8s". Anyway it was my high school car and didnt have a scratch on it. It literally was driven by a little old lady and had been garage kept.
That was back in the "cruisin" days. With the 8-track players and all the cheap beer you could hold.
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I have 3 Mustangs in my Toybox, but for myself personally have been on the fence on the S197 due to the 3V. That is just because I have a preference for the 4V
S197's are awesome and there is tons and tons of great things you can do with them. Even if you can't get the FRPP track pack, go with Steeda or Maximum Motorsports for what you want to do. I like the guys at Maximum for suspension (my early Fox is equipped with lots of Maximum suspension parts)
Maximum's site is here and they have a great amount of S197 Stuff: http://www.maximummotorsports.com/
On my Mod Motor Car (03 Mach 1), just with 4:10's, Auburn Pro, Steeda Tri-Ax, 31 Spline Shafts and SLP Cat Back the car runs 12.8-12.9 all day long. If I am running the DR's, I can hit a low 12.8. Pretty good for a car with a box-stock motor to the filter since the day I bought it 6 years ago.
What is really nice about the S197, is you can drive them and actually live with them as a car. Compared to the Fox-4/New Edge cars, they a LIGHT YEARS better in fit, finish, quality and ergonomics. My 03 has about 9,000 miles on it and my 84 5.0/GT-350 20th Anny car only has a tick over 80K. My 3rd is another 20th AE/GT-350 but, is one of the 6 Ford made with the Turbo 2.3 and T-Tops. That car is a resto-project that is years out from completion.
I was planning on getting a GT-500 to add to the toybox but, Ford dealers gouging really soured me when they first came out. I have been looking at the SRT-8 Challenger instead and will make the final decision when I can drive the manual SRT-8.
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/rstel/_MG_9691.jpg)
BTW, I got to add it's funny reading the "The LS-X MulletMobile will easily beat the Mustang, blah blah blah". Take it with a grain of salt, since 90% of them think the "track" is in the Walmart Parking Lot next to their trailer park. I have put bus-lengths of fully built WS-6's and have had my doors blown off by Mitsubishi's and vice-versa. It always comes down to BS stop's when the green flag drops and the driver.
Just like Smokey Yunick used to say "How Fast Do you want to spend"?
Either way, looks great and totally enjoy your new baby!
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I drive a 2000 ford focus lx, great gas mileage, but when I buy a new car, I will be keeping it. I plan on putting a twin turbo v8 into it. New tranny, new rear end, this car will go FAST.
Arian
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mmmm compare your new mustang mileage to the new camaro.
If you're comparing mileage, you don't deserve either.
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I drive a 2000 ford focus lx, great gas mileage, but when I buy a new car, I will be keeping it. I plan on putting a twin turbo v8 into it. New tranny, new rear end, this car will go FAST.
Arian
Um, understand that shoehorning that V8 in will be problematic enough. But to "twin turbo" the V8 is another story. Also, if you're converting it to RWD (recommended) you open up a few different cans of worms. You're also looking at fabricating a new cross member, which cannot be half-assed, to make it just as safe.
I understand to desire, but what you are planning is not in the least even remotely close to "easy".
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If you're comparing mileage, you don't deserve either.
I agree. It's like the people who drive Pickups/SUV's on the freeway at 60-65mph here in Michigan (Speed limit is 70) to save gas and not towing/hauling a single thing. I have no sympathy for them not being wise enough to buy a car.
If you buy a Sports car/SUV/Truck, that LAST thing you should be concerned about is the MPG. If you do, buy a car. I drive a Lifted 95 Grand Cherokee and don't care what the MPG is, I drive it to/on and from the trails.
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To me, the Camaro body looks good, but I do think I'll get tired of it quick. The killer for me was the interior. Big cartoony steering wheel, shifter knob the size of a melon, star treck looking guages inserted in huge square windows reminescent of a 1970 alarm clock. Big uggly stereo knobs out of a Fisher Price toy.
(http://www.camarotune.com/wp-content/gallery/camaro-2010/chevrolet_camaro_interior.jpg)
I mean performance is one thing, but you have to like what u see because it's going to be 100% of the time in your face, actually blowing someone else's door off in a straight line ... once a month maybe? And that's all the Camaro SS can do for now, because even with 115HP more and an IRS, same slalom numbers as the Mustang GT
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In a couple of years, when Pontiac is a fading memory, these are going to be used-car steals.
Yea. Parts are going to be expensive and take a while to get delivered, but they'll still be around since the car will still be made/sold in Australia.
If I had some lottery winnings in the bank, I'd do 3 things.
1. Do some restoration to my trans-am and then mothball it for my kid. If he doesn't like it, fine, I'll drive it again. It's a really fun car that unfortunately isn't suitable for having 2 kids, and it really bothers me that I have to sell it.
2. Buy a G8 GXP as my weekend driver. Whooooeeee that's a fun car. The only reason I didn't get the GXP instead of my GT was gas mileage. It gets like 15 mpg on the freeway because pontiac put a really really low diff ratio in there, making it a terrible car for daily commuting. But it sure is a fun car and my whole fam would fit in it.
3. Get a corvette for a daily driver to commute with. They get great mileage if you don't drive like a fool and they're about as fun of a car as you can get when you DO want to drive like a fool.
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To me, the Camaro body looks good, but I do think I'll get tired of it quick. The killer for me was the interior. Big cartoony steering wheel, shifter knob the size of a melon, star treck looking guages inserted in huge square windows reminescent of a 1970 alarm clock. Big uggly stereo knobs out of a Fisher Price toy.
(http://www.camarotune.com/wp-content/gallery/camaro-2010/chevrolet_camaro_interior.jpg)
I mean performance is one thing, but you have to like what u see because it's going to be 100% of the time in your face, actually blowing someone else's door off in a straight line ... once a month maybe? And that's all the Camaro SS can do for now, because even with 115HP more and an IRS, same slalom numbers as the Mustang GT
THOSE GUAGES YOU REFERENCE in the console, are just about the same as those that came in some 69's. they're actually pretty cool looking i think, although i prefer my guages up higher so i don't have to look away from the road to see em.
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NO SHIAT SHERLOCK! They are still ugly, here's a big picture to imprint in your brain: :uhoh
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/04/40-one-night-stand-camaro.jpg)
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Those are beyond gaudy! :O I like Digital "Analog Gauge" and the tiny-assed Digital Speedo in between the two. That is a butt ugly interior.
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NO SHIAT SHERLOCK! They are still ugly, here's a big picture to imprint in your brain: :uhoh
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You ever get the feeling you're being watched.....
:noid :noid :noid
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This will be me in 2010 :aok
Australian Ford XR8.
V8, 5.4L, 290kw (about 400 HP ish)
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/Ford-FG_Falcon_XR8_2008_1280x960_wa.jpg)
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If this is the Mustang you're buying Frenchy.... it looks pretty bloody nice.
(http://photos.leftlanenews.com/photos/cars/imageresizeronfly/phpThumb.php?src=/photos/cars/ford/shelby-gt500-coupe-15.jpg&w=900)
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By the way..... I just noticed on a spec site.... You guys have 87 RON fuel reccommended for that Mustang? :confused: I run my my 14 year old Ford on 95 RON.... :huh
Is there a reason you guys don't use higher octane fuel? Cheaper to produce and supplier lower RON fuels? As I understand it, you'd open up the efficiency and performance of engines by going to higher RON...? (Though your engines may suffer from going up to 95+ RON?) Mmmmmm :confused:
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By the way..... I just noticed on a spec site.... You guys have 87 RON fuel reccommended for that Mustang? :confused: I run my my 14 year old Ford on 95 RON.... :huh
Different ways of measuring octane.
US uses a value called the Pump Octane Number (PON), which is the the average of the Research Octane Number (RON) and Motor Octane Number (MON). whereas Europe (and - apparently Australia) just uses RON. MON gives a lower figure than RON for a given grade of fuel hence the lower numbers.
That said, fuel grades are lower in the US than in Europe (and - apparently - Australia). 87 PON (which is the most common 'regular' grade I see in the US is roughly the same as 90 RON. The highest grade fuel I see regularly is the US is 91 PON which is equivalent to 95RON.
In Europe, 'regular' fuel is normally 95 RON with premium or super being somewhere between 97 and 100 RON.
Wooley.
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As much as I still love my "new" Mustang ('06, 70K+ on it so far), if I had the choice between getting another new one or getting a classic, I know what would win. Amenities and driveability are nice, but I'd still rather have the classic. Particularly THIS classic.
(http://www.classiccarstudio.com/images/auction/1202/1.jpg)
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Heu ... no. For that price, I would get a used Corvette Z06. :rock
They look hella cool, but they are very big cars, almost 600 lb more than the tangtang. Great highway cruisers.
I love the new Camaro, and really like all the Stangs since the body change in '05 and think the Challenger is awesome. Not taking anything away from the Mustang, that new Stang you're getting is really sweet (and the proper color).
But the Vette is where it's at, baby, if you don't need 4 seats......
The C6 Z06 will eat a GT500 alive in every way. Or you can go like I did and take a C5 and mod the ever-lovin' pi$$ out of it under the hood for a fraction of that price, and eat alive a Z06....over 550hp at the crank with mostly GM parts other than the LG Motorsports long-tubes and custom ground cam, all for a total investment of about $22K, including what I paid for the car. :rock :devil
Now all I need are the L5 Motorsport flared rear fenders and some nice 325-wide rear tires to try to help control wheel-spin every where under 75mph....
Repeat after me..... "Don't take off the traction control! Don't take off the traction control! Don't take off the traction control! Don't take off the traction control!"
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I'm with you :rock The 69 adn the 67 GT500 are jsut so sweet. :pray
(http://robson.m3rlin.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/1967-ford-mustang-shelby-cobra-gt-500.jpg)
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I love the new Camaro, and really like all the Stangs since the body change in '05 and think the Challenger is awesome. Not taking anything away from the Mustang, that new Stang you're getting is really sweet (and the proper color).
But the Vette is where it's at, baby, if you don't need 4 seats......
The C6 Z06 will eat a GT500 alive in every way. Or you can go like I did and take a C5 and mod the ever-lovin' pi$$ out of it under the hood for a fraction of that price, and eat alive a Z06....over 550hp at the crank with mostly GM parts other than the LG Motorsports long-tubes and custom ground cam, all for a total investment of about $22K, including what I paid for the car. :rock :devil
Now all I need are the L5 Motorsport flared rear fenders and some nice 325-wide rear tires to try to help control wheel-spin every where under 75mph....
Repeat after me..... "Don't take off the traction control! Don't take off the traction control! Don't take off the traction control! Don't take off the traction control!"
(http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/969/99vetteti6.jpg)
My friend lets me drive his UFO 2002 silver Z06. 614 Rear Wheel HP, Methanol cooling. We too have a problem with getting it down for launch. We are going the tub way by A&A Corvette in L.A. Rather than the flares, I'll advise u the same to fit the 315s, keeps the original look.
Corvettes are a league of their own, low CG, low weight, one of the few cars u can double the HP with just a blower and keep the stock brakes/trany/drive shaft/rear end. :cool:
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I had a 1967 Mustang back in the mid 70s. I had a 68 camaro in the late 70s. I had a 77 trans am with the 6.6 and shaker. I had a 73 ventura.
I've had all kinds of vehicles. The ones I love the most are from the 60s. The new stang and camaro bring back a lot of nostalgia.
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My friend lets me drive his UFO 2002 silver Z06. 614 Rear Wheel HP, Methanol cooling. We too have a problem with getting it down for launch. We are going the tub way by A&A Corvette in L.A. Rather than the flares, I'll advise u the same to fit the 315s, keeps the original look.
Sounds like an awesome car... blower is probably next for me, I'd like to get to 600 whp. A friend of the guy who did the work on my Vette has a GTO with a methanol injected procharger set-up, 650+ rwhp on the chassis dyno. Still running stock size wheels and tires!! He's a cop, so opening it up whenever he wants is no problem, but he says racing is futile as it spins the tires all the way to 100mph... :O
On the flares, TPE just came out with some flares that are not as "aggressive" as the L5 ones... they're a dead-ringer for the C6 Z06 flare, which is gorgeous. I love the flared look, def don't want to tub the car. I like agressive, probably add a MCM hi-rise heat extractor CF hood at the same time since paint will be involved, and a set of gunmetal LG Motorsports World Challenge wheels in Z06 sizing, 335's on the rear (that's what I originally meant in the earlier post).. :rock
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I had a 1967 Mustang back in the mid 70s. I had a 68 camaro in the late 70s. I had a 77 trans am with the 6.6 and shaker. I had a 73 ventura.
I've had all kinds of vehicles. The ones I love the most are from the 60s. The new stang and camaro bring back a lot of nostalgia.
I ACTUALLY think that's what ford.....and then chevy and chrysler were aiming for. the new stangs seem aimed at us older folks......
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I ACTUALLY think that's what ford.....and then chevy and chrysler were aiming for. the new stangs seem aimed at us older folks......
It is indeed.
New stang based on 68.
New Camaro based on 69.
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I ACTUALLY think that's what ford.....and then chevy and chrysler were aiming for. the new stangs seem aimed at us older folks......
I wouldn't so much say they're aimed at older folks as they're aimed at people who recognize that just because you can slap a classic name on a new style, doesn't necessarily mean you should. The "retro" cars have style and history both.
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My friend lets me drive his UFO 2002 silver Z06. 614 Rear Wheel HP, Methanol cooling. We too have a problem with getting it down for launch. We are going the tub way by A&A Corvette in L.A. Rather than the flares, I'll advise u the same to fit the 315s, keeps the original look.
Corvettes are a league of their own, low CG, low weight, one of the few cars u can double the HP with just a blower and keep the stock brakes/trany/drive shaft/rear end. :cool:
I rented this from Hertz last time I in Miami.
Really fun but probably dumbed down. Where I come from you couldn't get it out of second gear, but it wouldn't be allowed anyway...too big.
(http://i40.tinypic.com/1236szd.jpg)
I've been browsing second hand corvettes ever since.
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But the Vette is where it's at, baby, if you don't need 4 seats......
The C6 Z06 will eat a GT500 alive in every way. Or you can go like I did and take a C5 and mod the ever-lovin' pi$$ out of it under the hood for a fraction of that price, and eat alive a Z06....over 550hp at the crank with mostly GM parts other than the LG Motorsports long-tubes and custom ground cam, all for a total investment of about $22K, including what I paid for the car. :rock :devil
Or U can spend even half that and get a 1987 Merkur XR4TI with some custom mods with 422HP and 410ft/lbs of torque at rear wheels in a 2710lb car and eat corvettes all day long, hehehehe. Here is mine.
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x33/Oldmaddog/xr4-4.jpg)
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Or U can spend even half that and get a 1987 Merkur XR4TI with some custom mods with 422HP and 410ft/lbs of torque at rear wheels in a 2710lb car and eat corvettes all day long, hehehehe. Here is mine.
GTFO of here? Why did you NOT bring this to Dayton last year?! Yer bringing this next year. :furious
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She don't step out of PA. :lol I take her out once in awhile and sometimes go to Ford Carlisle, PA Car show. Haven't been there in a few years because of vacations around the sametime as the show. A buddy of mine has a 536whp XR. Its not really driveable on the street but the mother is freaking fast,lol. Let me see if I can find the video he posted of him doing a burnout on the dyno.
Here it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wvZICY3-Dw
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Uh huh, the 68/69 Fastbacks are still my all time favorite. Almost snagged one instead of the 05, then remembered I had No time to restore so who was I kidding :) Tried that a few years back.
That'll be the retirement present some day.
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Uh huh, the 68/69 Fastbacks are still my all time favorite. Almost snagged one instead of the 05, then remembered I had No time to restore so who was I kidding :) Tried that a few years back.
That'll be the retirement present some day.
Check out the new Dynacorn shells. Can build a completely new 67-70 fastback from the inside out, and it'll be covered under warranty. :) (its says 67-69, but the 70 was basically the same body as a 69, just some cosmetic changes)
EDITED for a link- http://www.dynacornclassicbodies.com/ford_models.html
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It is indeed.
New stang based on 68.
New Camaro based on 69.
yep.....and rather coincidentally, the new mustangs and camaros are the first really good looking ones since 70 for ford, and 69 for chevy.....
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Or U can spend even half that and get a 1987 Merkur XR4TI with some custom mods with 422HP and 410ft/lbs of torque at rear wheels in a 2710lb car and eat corvettes all day long, hehehehe. Here is mine.
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x33/Oldmaddog/xr4-4.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x33/Oldmaddog/xr4-3.jpg)
i worked on a few of those when they sold them here in the usa.........they sucked. they were the absolute worst cars i ever touched. i'd rather work on a fuego than an xr4ti.
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Link saved. Never heard of them, very nice.
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ur right for back then. Technology back then wasn't there like it is now. The biggest problem the XR had back then was the head and head gasket. Most of that problem was because of lack of intercooler and a 25% efficency water pump. My engine has these problems fixed. I got the Aluminum head on it (got rid of the cast iron) with the big valve swirl polished stainless steel valves package (1.59 ex/1.89 int), High flow water pump, "D" dish Forged Pistons, Windage Tray, 65mm Throttle Body, TurboXS Boost Adjusting Valve, TurboXS Blow Off Valve, Aluminum Flywheel, Center Mount Turbo big log Header, Ported lower intake, gutted upper intake, 3" down pipe from turbo into cat and then into dual 2 1/2" Borla exhaust, Garrett T3/60-1 w/ .63 a/r turbo, 45pph flow matched Bosch injectors, Walbro Hi-Pressure 255lph Fuel Pump, Custom ground roller cam with adjustable cam timing pulley, alot more stuff, just can't think of it all,lol.
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Or U can spend even half that and get a 1987 Merkur XR4TI with some custom mods with 422HP and 410ft/lbs of torque at rear wheels in a 2710lb car and eat corvettes all day long, hehehehe. Here is mine.
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x33/Oldmaddog/xr4-4.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x33/Oldmaddog/xr4-3.jpg)
Kewl! I aw\lways had a strange attraction to that car, the Merkur. Almost bought one years ago, a real fixer-upper. But then again, I like all cars, oddball ones included. I've owned 7 Triumphs, what can I say?
Seriously, I'll bet you have some real traction problems putting all that power down on those little rear tires! I've actually got 455 rwhp and 454 tq, in a car that's just a tick over 3000 lbs according to the scales at CMP (local road course). I bet we'd have a good race, but I say I pull a few lengths on you off the line that you never make back up. ;)
But the fact is, you're right - anything can be made stinking fast with enough $$$. I know a guy who has a street driveable drag car that has a blown 500+ cubic inch chevy big block making over 900hp, tubbed rear end and huge Mickey Thompson drag slicks.
It's a 1980's-something Chevy Chevette.
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Traction is not to bad. The rear is a fully independent and I have upgraded the suspension along with putting neopreme bushings thoroughout the entire car. If the pavement is dry, spins first for awhile and part of 2nd if I dumb the clutch at 3500+rpm but then she hooks and takes off like a rocket,lol. Now one thing nice about a turbo car is u don't have full power at low rpm so it gives the tires a chances to grip unless of courses u rev to 3500rpm and dump the clutch. I like to launch at 2500 rpm and it only spins alittle in first and then by the time the turbo kicks in at 3500, she just goes. Now if there any chance of wetness on the ground, forget it, I will spin first 4 gears and maybe even 5th. The car is in storage right now as the place I currently at, there isn't enough room for her. Gonna soon move it to my parents garage and park it next to there 95 corvette that alrdy eat her dust, hehehe. Dad was impressed and shocked. :devil :devil
I like the car because u don't see that many on the road like u see mustangs and camaros and such. People look at ya like it a ford escort and has nothing to show. But they find out the hard way when all they see is tail lights, hehehehe. Hell, I remember having a full car load (5 people) and we pulled up along side a camaro IROC-Z with some mods on at least it seemed so. Anyways he revs his engine up at me at the light. Of course my friends say to me, "race him". I said "Dude, I got a full car load here". Of course they said "so what", I was like "ok, will give it a try". Light turned green, he pulled on me off the start but soon as I hit 2nd, I reeled him in like he was standing still, lol. when he got to the next light were I was waiting for him, he gave me a thumbs up and turned off the main drag, hehehehe. That was about 8 yrs ago if I remember correctly. I don't do that stuff to much anymore now that I have my kids and wife with me when I drive the car. We just cruise in it when I get it out.
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My favorite part about owning a Mustang is all the kids in four-doors and ricers with fartcans who pull up next to me at stoplights and rev their engines, or get next to me in traffic and do the same. I usually watch them go and then immediately catch up to them when they have to stop for traffic or the next stoplight. Or get pulled over a few miles up the road.
Had one kid do both last summer on Genesee Street in Utica who floored it and peeled away from every red light (in a Dodge Intrepid with a fartcan, go figure) only to slam on his brakes two blocks later for the next red light- all the way through the city. Every light, right next to him again. Then we get on the Judd Road extension heading out of the city (4 lane arterial), and he floored it again- only to slam on his brakes less than a mile later when he saw a sheriff running radar under an overpass. Passed him doing the speed limit, and watched in my rearview mirror as said sheriff pulled out and nabbed him. I laughed so hard I had tears in my eyes.
I just love stupid people. And you just see so many of them when you're in a 'sports car'. I've joked with road-cop friends of mine that they should just follow me around and ticket all the 17 year olds in the new car daddy bought them who try to race me, they could fill their quota in a week.
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My favorite part about owning a Mustang is all the kids in four-doors and ricers with fartcans who pull up next to me at stoplights and rev their engines, or get next to me in traffic and do the same. I usually watch them go and then immediately catch up to them when they have to stop for traffic or the next stoplight. Or get pulled over a few miles up the road.
Had one kid do both last summer on Genesee Street in Utica who floored it and peeled away from every red light (in a Dodge Intrepid with a fartcan, go figure) only to slam on his brakes two blocks later for the next red light- all the way through the city. Every light, right next to him again. Then we get on the Judd Road extension heading out of the city (4 lane arterial), and he floored it again- only to slam on his brakes less than a mile later when he saw a sheriff running radar under an overpass. Passed him doing the speed limit, and watched in my rearview mirror as said sheriff pulled out and nabbed him. I laughed so hard I had tears in my eyes.
I just love stupid people. And you just see so many of them when you're in a 'sports car'. I've joked with road-cop friends of mine that they should just follow me around and ticket all the 17 year olds in the new car daddy bought them who try to race me, they could fill their quota in a week.
one of my favorite things before my mustang got hit and totaled..........i had line locks on it. if someone pulled up next to me, and looked like they wanted to run, i'd hit the lock, and as soon as the cross light went yellow, i'd bring the engine up to about 4 grand. see the flicker of the red going out, i'd "bump" it with the clutch, then immediately lift the throttle. i can't even begin to count how many boneheads i got pulled over that way......seeing as i saw the police cruiser across the intersection, and they obviously didn't as they went tearing away. :rofl
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yeh, gotta love morons. I had a couple of losers in a rattletrap Camaro RS that I was pretty sure was a V6 want to run me on the interstate one day last year. They kept speeding up and slowing down, pointing ahead and I could read their lips saying "let's go" ..... so I pointed at their car, pointed back at mine, then pointed at their car again with this confused look on my face.... then threw both my hands up and acted as if I was laughing histerically! That pissed em off so they flipped me off, floored it and sped off ahead blowing oil smoke out of the exhaust the whole way. About 10 miles up ahead a State Trooper had them pulled over.
I blew the horn and waved as I passed. :lol
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Any of you guys on Mustangforums.com?
Duhasst<---IndianaJake on there...and proud owner of an 03 GT.
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Not yet.