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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Chilli on January 12, 2010, 03:28:21 AM
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In an attempt to see what other Axis versus Allies enthusiasts playing during daytime hours EST, like myself, were doing that the arena is almost always empty, I posted this thread in that forum http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,281695.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,281695.0.html)
After reading kilo2's response, I have come to the conclusion that I am speaking to the group that knows as well as I do, that the arena is empty because it is empty. :headscratch: Kudos to kilo2 for trying something new :salute
I have always gotten that kind of response from players after suggesting to go there for a look and see with a little 1 v 1 competition :joystick: to boot.
So, I wish to bring this up in the General Forum to get some responses to the following:
Did You Know?
- AvA is a 2 country setup with historically matched planesets
- AvA has different maps with the periodic adjustments in icon range, wind and ack settings
- AvA bases are generally situated in close proximity allowing for quick engagements
- AvA is not a "Base Capture" driven arena and is designed to promote dogfights and the occasional furball
- AvA does have a rank system but no perk points awarded, however patches for participation in some events are
- Finally, AvA IS AVAILABLE 24/7
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I would like to play but I don't get in since not many players are there + most of the peeps I know play in the MA.
I'll give it a try tonight, just to support :)
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I've tried it a few times seems like there was always a big team against the small team, and nobody willing to switch to even it out. This was a while back so I don't know if it has changed, if so I would be more then happy to go fly in there.
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Was once a fun place to rally. I'd like it to return to what it once was.
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I'd like it to return to what it once was.
Paint me ignorant. What was it at one time?
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The AvA is one of Aces High best kept secrets. The quality of the pilot you find in the AvA is not found in the MA. You can usually engage another pilot and not have to dodge a HO before trying to best one another. Also, flying historically accurate aircraft for the time-frame they've posted is truly an experience.
If I'm up in my 109F4 dogfighting a Spit V, I don't have worry about a LA-7 tard diving into the fight. It might be another SpitV or maybe a P-40E or P-39, but no perked jet or fighter to burn me without a chance to disengage. And it's VERY interesting to fight historical adversaries with the strengths and weaknesses faced by real pilots for the time frame.
For those who complain about no one being in there, is that you're only excuse? How about some of you guys man-up and put your talent to the test to some of us old farts?
:old:
:D
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that the arena is empty because it is empty.
This is a false assumption, the reality is the AvA only appeals to a limited set of players do to many factors. Since there is only a limited number of players it is very difficult to find enough online at one time to have a sustained fight.
HiTech
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So it's a D.A. with pretty maps :(
If it's just about dogfights why bother? we have that.
When they had the "war" set up a while back I had a blast and stayed in there almost everyday.
My 2 cents......
Hi to my old squaddie Chilli :salute
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Here's what I have found works for me starting with the last AVA tour. I find myself checking the numbers in the AVA when I first log on. Usually, there is one or two players in there. I'll go and peak my head in and see what is going on. If nobody is in the arena then Ill up a ride. Usually, with in a matter of minutes someone else comes along, then another and another. Maybe I've just been lucky with actually finding players or having players show up when I'm there. I also keep my expectations low of what I want the AVA to be. In fighting one or two players, and not expecting more to show up, I find myself enjoying the fights that much more. Is it wrong to have that mind set? Would I like to see the AVA more populated? Sure I would. On another note, a big :salute to players like Fork and 100Chewi. Last tour, I had some fun fights against them. I've enjoyed the challenge of the no icons at low alts this tour. Try tracking a bandit on your six 100 feet off the ground and he has a camo pattern that blends nicely with the terrain :rock.
My apologies if this all sounds like a mindless ramble. The lil one had me up all night and I can't find the coffee. :headscratch:
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This is a false assumption, the reality is the AvA only appeals to a limited set of players do to many factors. Since there is only a limited number of players it is very difficult to find enough on line at one time to have a sustained fight.
HiTech
No disrespect hitech but i think this is un true. I love AvA but i also love flying with People! like squad mates. I would play Ava all day long if there was more than 0 people in it every day i log on.
A bunch of people in your game and in my squad in particular all came over from Fighter Ace because you had the people. At the start of flying i don't know if any of us though of AH as being a "better" game. After we got hooked we saw the errors of our ways, but the game was not what got us here. It was the fact that we got sick of killing the same 4 guys over and over again all day long.
It is true that people look for there favorate rides and they will not fly without them, so the numbers may not always be as high as the MA. But for it to be empty is more a combination of more than one problem as is often the case with things.
I don't know alot about what people have done to get players into the AvA room but maybe we need some kind of a special event in the room.
Heck i have rarely flown AVA but If the MA's were shut down for the day i bet the room would fill :aok
No one disagrees that the room is fun and cool. so why don't we play there? its heartbreaking....
Maybe ill fly it for a month no matter what, would anyone come appose the Colleen horde? :rofl
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I remember a MA server crash a few months back. The crash did not affect the AVA so it became the only option. There ended up being the better part of a hundred guys in there for a few hours. It was one giant roaming furball of mossies, spits, 109's, 110's and 190's.
Maybe we just need some periodic server crashes to promote play in the AvA. :t
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Paint me ignorant. What was it at one time?
At one time you could show up there and find quite a few folks. Fights were usually pretty good. It never had the numbers to accept full squads making it home though.
Same thing that killed AVA is currently at work in MW. Sizeable squad tilting numbers drastically. For instance the other night I got on to find 14 or 15 knights capturing bases from 1 bish and 2 rooks. All of the knights were of one squad. SOARS took a lot of grief for doing the same in EW.
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No one disagrees that the room is fun and cool. so why don't we play there?
This is where you are incorrect, many people like the fantasy of AvA but when they go to the AvA it does not live up to the fantasy, and hence they find it is not fun and cool. If most people had the attitude you state the AvA would be full & the Main arenas would be low numbers.
In the 15 years I have been doing this I have never seen an AvA setup attract a lot of people.
HiTech
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This is where you are incorrect, many people like the fantasy of AvA but when they go to the AvA it does not live up to the fantasy, and hence they find it is not fun and cool. If most people had the attitude you state the AvA would be full & the Main arenas would be low numbers.
In the 15 years I have been doing this I have never seen an AvA setup attract a lot of people.
HiTech
There's no question that a limited-plane-set arena will appeal to a subset of all players. Inability to fly one's favorite plane, inability to fly with one's squad mates (who in turn won't fly without their favorite planes) are, I think, the two biggest factors that cut down on numbers. As threads like this demonstrate, lots of people can come up with reasons why they don't want to fly in the AvA, just as I could come up with reasons why I wouldn't want to fly in airplane races or in the DA.
However, you really don't need 300 people to have a great time in any arena, and certainly not in the AvA. In its heyday it was quite rare to see more than 100 anytime, and typically you had 30-60 people during the most populated times. That's really all you need. Look at the fun we've been having on these recent Monday nights with just 18-20 people.
So: while lots of folks aren't going to find the AvA fun and cool, we're looking for that core group that does.
- oldman
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Th Luftwaffe defeated the RAF and took over the AvA :banana:
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The Luftwaffe defeated the RAF and took over the AvA
Oh yeah?
Well we're still fightin back in our Yaks and Stangs. And there's nothing better being than engaging a Fw-190A5 or 109G2 in a La-5 or Yak-9 over Finland and then watching them scream like little girlies as they bail out in their leather underpants... :huh which is a very disturbing sight... to see a luftwabble in a parachute in leather underpants that is...
:O
:D
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I don't like ava because of the fantasy I am in the war aspect. I like it because its a change of pace from the MA. I think a lot of people would like it for the same reason. Its also a great place to learn planes that are new to you.
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its all in what you want out of the game, i personally love the AVA. i like the planesets, the match-ups and the players, some players not so much, but thats the nature of the game. if you want to learn how to fly well, the AVA is the place, if you want to just dive in and BNZ everyone in your gunsite and get a kill or 2, the MA's are for you.
the Biggest problem with the AVA is a better player will beat you over and over again. without the diversity of so many different players like the blue or orange arena, you get tired of seeing the same name kill you and that gets old quick.
more players always make it a better place, but the numbers are always lower. its a fun place to play, and a good place to learn. the DA is nice but the "kill everything attitude" rules the place. i much prefer the " i'm gonna get on your six first and then kill you" attitude of the AVA. the AVA is nothing like the DA not should it be considered at all as such.
everyone has the opportunity to make it what they want and get out of it what they like. I like the more fair play of the AVA.
thats my story and im sticking to it! :D
:huh which is a very disturbing sight... to see a luftwabble in a parachute in leather underpants that is...
:O
whats a matter with leather underpants?? they're very comfortable!! :)
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Numbers in the 30s to 60s would be outstanding.
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The AvA is one of Aces High best kept secrets. The quality of the pilot you find in the AvA is not found in the MA. You can usually engage another pilot and not have to dodge a HO before trying to best one another. Also, flying historically accurate aircraft for the time-frame they've posted is truly an experience.
I've been in the AvA for the last few Mondays and enjoyed the heck out of it. I had thought that to limit one's plane choice was a bad idea. I see now that Fork is right. It makes for some great fights in planes that might only rarely match up in the MAs.
Plus, the settings in the AvA arena are different. There are significant winds, several cloud decks, and a minimum altitude below which the icons turn off. The lack of icons on the deck made me realize how dependent I am on it for range and closure cues.
Some caution needs to be exercised on the the plane sets. The current Russian set of Yaks and LAs dominates the German set of 190s and 109s.
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For instance the other night I got on to find 14 or 15 knights capturing bases from 1 bish and 2 rooks. All of the knights were of one squad. SOARS took a lot of grief for doing the same in EW.
VF-15
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What planes are up now..... it's kiddies tuesday in LW so good night to fly elsewhere.
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This is where you are incorrect, many people like the fantasy of AvA but when they go to the AvA it does not live up to the fantasy, and hence they find it is not fun and cool. If most people had the attitude you state the AvA would be full & the Main arenas would be low numbers.
In the 15 years I have been doing this I have never seen an AvA setup attract a lot of people.
HiTech
If there is anything that proves that HT has done the right thing with the MAs, that is the AvA. People will say a lot of things about playing for the fight, scores are useless etc. That may be true for a few, but if it was true for the majority, the AvA would have arena caps. The problem I have with it is that I can fly the same couple of planes and kill the same couple of guys for so long before it gets boring.
Turn scoring and captures on and the arena will fill up in no time. Ohh, and no alies vs axes. We want bish, rook and nits and the squad associations. And perks. Lots of perks and report the scores on the front page. :lol
The day the AvA sustains more than 50 people at any time for more than a month, its time for HT to redesign the game.
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Hmm no AVA under special events. Looking for plane set.
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shuffler it was russian vs german last night LW
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I gotta be a ruskie?? :lol
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Here is the problem as I see it:
The "draw" of anything like the AvA is going to be the "realism", but 2-4 guys duelling at 5K with the best "duelling" planes each respective set offers is *not* realism.
The MA, despite P-51s crossing swords with Spitfires, is IMO in most ways closer to "how it was" than the AvA...more variability in the altitudes, engaging conditions, type of mission (sometimes you are protecting or intercepting ord-mules, etc).
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We've been drawing 20 players or so each Monday night. Everyone seems to be having a lot of fun.
There is a lot to be said for trying unfamiliar planes and finding ways to use their strengths against others, that is a lot of fun in it's own right.
Mondays numbers are balancing out quite well.
There is no longer an excuse, at least one night a week there are enough people in there to have some decent play.
Give Mondays a try, You might enjoy it.
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Actually, IDGAF about "planes I can fly". For me it is about "not playing favorites". Stew on that last sentence a bit. I don't go in their primarily because of that part, it is not needed in this game at all. It's disappointing, because I'm just as happy in Early War/Mid War rides as anything else. Actually, it's not disappointing, it's a shame.
Edit: Before anyone from JG54 jumps on that, don't, it isn't directed at you. But who "it is" posted in this thread recently. So don't bother dredging up any "conspiracy theories". It is well known for those who were there, what happened and all agree, "it was uncalled for".
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Would be fun to see P-40s in there
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Hi-Tech is right in that there is limited appeal.
What that limit is, remains to be seen.
I believe this arena can have some appeal to the same folks who like FSO and Snapshots, and anyone else who wants a break from the MA.
The fantasy is what you make of it. If your squad wants to wear silk scarfs and fly as wingmen, using brevity codes etc, calling each other "Major" and "Lieutenant" or whatever, this is a good place to do that.
You will be flying historical match ups.
I starting promoting the Monday event, so that people who wanted to try it could focus around a specific time.
It's working. For the past three weeks we've had some fun 10 on 10 fights, but I still hear people saying "I'd like to fly there, but it's always empty", so I will repeat MONDAY 10pm EST!!!!!
If you want to see it grow past this, then SUPPORT WHAT IS GOING ON NOW!!
It's true, we may never get 200 players, but I think we can get 40 to 50 to fly on Monday nights.
Once that is consistent, it could branch out from there.
Right now, it is mostly a dogfight arena, but as numbers grow, play will become more varied.
Turn scoring and captures on and the arena will fill up in no time.
Base captures are enabled, and there is an AvA score page.
For the past 3 weeks, many more are saying they had a great time than are saying it's not cool and fun. Read the positive comments in the AvA forum.
It is cool and fun, and it could get better and better.
All you have to do is show up.
jimson
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I did
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Edit: Before anyone from JG54 jumps on that, don't, it isn't directed at you. But who "it is" posted in this thread recently. So don't bother dredging up any "conspiracy theories". It is well known for those who were there, what happened and all agree, "it was uncalled for".
You talking about HT? :noid
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You talking about HT? :noid
No Larry.
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I've suggested it before, I really wish the AvA guys would make a sticky in their forums and announce the planeset.
This way, I can look in there each week to see if the planeset is something I can enjoy. Once I log on, I'm not going to bother to look. I have far more time to surf the forums at work than I do to play AH at home.
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The CT Arena / AvsA arena has always drawn my interest.......from its inception........
it just needs more players with the mindset of playing on even fields(sides)........ it is disheartening when in the past one could log in and find 10 to 14 on the side with the best performing planes/bombers andonly 2 guys on the defending side trying to hold them off......
granted I have not seen this in a very long time.......
The AvsA is not about 1 vs 1 matchups...... they do happen more frequently or 2 vs 1 or 3 vs 3 fights..but most times it is on even keel
jimson begged for someone to host a snapshot or FSO at a time he could participate.....there was no way for this to happen, so he did the next best thing and got with the AvsA Staff and has promoted these Monday Night Rumbles in the AvsA.... my hats off to him.....
Wotan, BigMax, Oldman, Shane, Gremlin, Redd, Urchin, Levi, Dedalos, Eagler, 1Duke1, MrFork, TheBUG, Shifty, and a slew of others made the AvsA ( well the CT ) what it once became and it is up to use to keep it going.......
one thing it is not is an elitist Arena for 1 vs 1 fights or what have you......... it is an arena where we can go for more historical type plane match ups......and every now and then the AvsA Staffers even run campaigns that last for several weeks....... like an on going daily Scenario....
This Arena just takes a certian kind of player, not just another gamer........... bring in the gamer types and count the scores then this arena will go all to hell...........IMO
just watch out for that damn supa Spy ( Dedalos ) :bolt:
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This is a false assumption, the reality is the AvA only appeals to a limited set of players do to many factors. Since there is only a limited number of players it is very difficult to find enough online at one time to have a sustained fight.
HiTech
:headscratch: At first I read into this statement to mean that it wasn't worth the bother , but then after a second read, I decided that your point is that even at it's best, at some point folks log off :bolt: and there is not enough interest in the AH community to keep the numbers above say 10 or 15 :airplane: players. With that I agree.
This is the kicker, there is hardly ever more than 5 players in the Arena during EST afternoon play. Yet, still the :joystick: experience of fighting one or two other equally matched and historically accurate opponents :rock can't be beat.
A lot of great comments in this thread, pro (mostly) and con. I like the idea to sticky planesets on the Forum, but for those who don't think that flying Wildcats against Bf110C's is interesting, don't know what they are missing. I have had my days of .50 cals against German taters :cry complaints, but have since seen the error of my ways (after being shown a thing or two from many of the regular AvA :old: masters).
A big shout out to my brutha from another mutha Wojo!!! Thanks for keeping GruppeOutlaws Website going. Will be posting some pictures from the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum soon.
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just watch out for that damn supa Spy ( Dedalos ) :bolt:
Shhhhh, I can't spy if every one knows I am a spy. Whats wrong with you?!?!?!?!? :furious
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I've suggested it before, I really wish the AvA guys would make a sticky in their forums and announce the planeset.
I'll take the time to do that then, just look in the AvA forum. It won't be a sticky though.
I did
And I thank you. Did you have fun?
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The guys running the AvA have tried several things to make it interesting. However, is should have been interesting by its nature of the historical mach ups. I mean that is what every one is here for right? (if I am reading the BBS right). The AvA should have had more people than the MA. To me it is obvious that the majority of the players could not care less about that. Its sad, but I think that is the case here.
I logged in last night. One country had flight disabled. Guess what the other two players on the other side were doing. :lol
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And I thank you. Did you have fun?
Yes, I think I mentioned that somewhere. But, after an hour or hour and a half I was tired of it and had to log. Not a problem if there was traffic in and out of the arena but the way it was at the time, that was 10% of the population.
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I logged in last night. One country had flight disabled. Guess what the other two players on the other side were doing. :lol
That happens from time to time, it gets screwed up and needs a reset.
Yes, I think I mentioned that somewhere. But, after an hour or hour and a half I was tired of it and had to log. Not a problem if there was traffic in and out of the arena but the way it was at the time, that was 10% of the population.
Baby steps, I guess.
An hour or two event was about what I was hoping for, just so folks could take a break from the MA and have a little historical fun.
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I logged in last night. One country had flight disabled. Guess what the other two players on the other side were doing. :lol
Yeah, it was sad seeing them pork a base and I couldn't even get up to fight them.
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This is a false assumption, the reality is the AvA only appeals to a limited set of players do to many factors. Since there is only a limited number of players it is very difficult to find enough online at one time to have a sustained fight.
HiTech
I think you need a caveat here, which is that the AvA only appeals to a limited set of players within the subscription base of AH. The people who really insist on historical matchups, or who abhor the Spit-vs-Spit arena concept, never sign up.
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That happens from time to time, it gets screwed up and needs a reset.
I know. I was not complaining about the set up. I was pointing out the mentality of the average AH player
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I know. I was not complaining about the set up. I was pointing out the mentality of the average AH player
Are you suggesting AvA players are mental? :rolleyes:
We're trying to make the AvA different and interesting... and we hope that is enough to make those who like it even more, and those who are intereseted, regulars.
BTW - personally, I like the fact there are NO squeakers in the AvA.
(http://www.prlog.org/10329021-got-squeakers.jpg)
I ALSO hear there's a few AvA regular who wear womens underwear while flying... and some even wear leather... but that another story for another day/topic... :uhoh
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The people who really insist on historical matchups, or who abhor the Spit-vs-Spit arena concept, never sign up.
There may be some truth to that. I started in AH, but I have done some looking around for something that offered more "immersion" on a day/time that I could participate.
In the end, I decided to try to get what I was looking for, from this game.
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I never flew in the AvA arena myself by the simple reason that it looked like a private arena to me, it was always the same 3-4 guys in there every time I looked in. And my guess was they had some private thing going, I did not want to interfeer with their little war.. :headscratch: Yes, I was new to the game, and I got hooked on DA and furballing over there instead.. :D
I have not flown at all for several months now, due to my computer crashed on me.. :furious
But I hope to get my account back up and running one of these days, and then I promise to check out the AvA arena to see what it has to offer! :aok
Looking forward to it! :airplane:
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Actually, IDGAF about "planes I can fly". For me it is about "not playing favorites". Stew on that last sentence a bit. I don't go in their primarily because of that part, it is not needed in this game at all. It's disappointing, because I'm just as happy in Early War/Mid War rides as anything else. Actually, it's not disappointing, it's a shame.
Edit: Before anyone from JG54 jumps on that, don't, it isn't directed at you. But who "it is" posted in this thread recently. So don't bother dredging up any "conspiracy theories". It is well known for those who were there, what happened and all agree, "it was uncalled for".
That sounds alot like something Storch would post... I wonder what his current in game name is...
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I logged in last night. Allied side had me. Axis side had 2 players... colleen and someone. Neither were flying or answered. The planes listed were not enabled. AVA was broke on a night when it might have garnered interest from those not interested in TT.
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That's a very true statement Shuffler. I too, last night logged into the AVA on four different occassions to get away from the TT drudgery. However, it appeared my country wasn't enabled and I logged for the night.
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I logged in last night. Allied side had me. Axis side had 2 players... colleen and someone. Neither were flying or answered. The planes listed were not enabled. AVA was broke on a night when it might have garnered interest from those not interested in TT.
That's a shame.
Apparently AvA also suffers from "bad luck" sometimes.
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I don't COAD, but my feeling is it is a little more than bad luck. Everytime there is a manual reset, i.e. Titanic Tuesday, Tour Completion, new patch, etc. the Arena has to be fixed by one of the dedicated volunteers who try and keep things up and running :bolt:
My guess, is that there is currently no save feature for all of the settings that make the Arena unique. Correct me if I am drawing false conclusions.
I never flew in the AvA arena myself by the simple reason that it looked like a private arena to me, it was always the same 3-4 guys in there every time I looked in. And my guess was they had some private thing going, I did not want to interfeer with their little war.. :headscratch: Yes, I was new to the game, and I got hooked on DA and furballing over there instead.. :D
I have not flown at all for several months now, due to my computer crashed on me.. :furious
But I hope to get my account back up and running one of these days, and then I promise to check out the AvA arena to see what it has to offer! :aok
Looking forward to it! :airplane:
You are just the kind of guy this post was intended for. My computer also went legs up for a while, so I know how frustrating that can be. Guys on the hardware and tech forums are awesome help in resolving computer issues. PM me if you need help with your computer, maybe 2 heads will be better than one...... and certainly a whole community of Aces High enthusiasts is.
Are you suggesting AvA players are mental? :rolleyes:
We're trying to make the AvA different and interesting... and we hope that is enough to make those who like it even more, and those who are intereseted, regulars.
{snip}
I ALSO hear there's a few AvA regular who wear womens underwear while flying... and some even wear leather... but that another story for another day/topic... :uhoh
Those dang full body scanners up and running at the hangar entrance already? :lol
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I logged in last night. Allied side had me. Axis side had 2 players... colleen and someone. Neither were flying or answered. The planes listed were not enabled. AVA was broke on a night when it might have garnered interest from those not interested in TT.
Ya i was trying to get them to reset it. they have now and today is a new day :aok
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I fixed it - seems the arena was reset (again) - not sure why. But anyways, it was resolved. Some of the challenges of the AvA are the maps are not always perfect - but they do offer interesting historical terrains, cities, and areas where battles occured.
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Glad you did Fork, thank you. Today most of the afternoon had some great activity. :rock
:headscratch: Today, Main Arena reset and AvA still works!!!! Maybe our luck is changing. :banana:
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This is a false assumption, the reality is the AvA only appeals to a limited set of players do to many factors. Since there is only a limited number of players it is very difficult to find enough online at one time to have a sustained fight.
HiTech
Well, I would never leave the AvA if it was populated with more than a handful of people.
I think more people than your realize share that opinion....
Strip
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Well, I would never leave the AvA if it was populated with more than a handful of people.
I think more people than your realize share that opinion....
Strip
Well, there is no doubt that most people ether prefer to fly the MA's or just don't know any better, but there are a lot of us who don't.
It's up to us to band together and coordinate, so we can all fly AvA together.
Hence the Monday thing.
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IIRC, the AvA arena requires manual reconfiguration every time squeakers invade to win teh war.
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You are just the kind of guy this post was intended for. My computer also went legs up for a while, so I know how frustrating that can be. Guys on the hardware and tech forums are awesome help in resolving computer issues. PM me if you need help with your computer, maybe 2 heads will be better than one...... and certainly a whole community of Aces High enthusiasts is.
My puter is back in business allready, I just had to format the whole thing because of a nasty trojan.. No programs would open, only a handful of documents I got access to. So I took my pictures, saved AHfilms and the few stuff I could save over to my memorystick, formatted the puter. Goodbye to Vista and hello Windows7 instead. The pc is better than ever! :aok :rock
But thanks alot for asking! :salute :)
Now I just have to find time to play the game, and get my old account re opened. :x
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Went in tonight and had some fun fights with Gav. Not much else going on. Two earlier 190s decided not to come back.
lol some guy/girl named fork came over in a 109k4 high. he made about 10 to 12 passes. All I had to do was start a turn and he'd zoom back on his perch. Guess he's new and does not know the K4. I was in LA5 and oversteering terrible. So lite and nimble.
Gav was PMing me saying he was about to fall asleep watching the guy... lol.
Anyway once they get more in there like Gav it'll be great and probably weed out the more timid types.
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That attitude there is what keeps the population down more than anything else in my opinion. The "Fly my way or you suck." mentality has brought the level of enjoyment in this game down for many. Fork used is plane in a manner that he chose, focusing on maintaining a superior position and low risk. He has every right to fly that way just as you have to fly at 2,000 feet in a stall fight.
:rolleyes:
Strip
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Shuffler never said the guy sucked, just that it was dull. Personally I wouldn't want to fly some where if all I could expect was someone making failed passes on me over and over. I like thrills.
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That sounds alot like something Storch would post... I wonder what his current in game name is...
Osceola, you'd know who I'm talking about. I don't care about "who is who". But when someone provokes and has "carte blanche", that is where I find a glaring issue. I can squelch people all day, but when a Moderator lies to me to "attempt to even things incorrectly", I lose respect for him.
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The CT Arena / AvsA arena
it just needs more players with the mindset of playing on even fields(sides)........
The AvsA is not about 1 vs 1 matchups...... they do happen more frequently or 2 vs 1 or 3 vs 3 fights..but most times it is on even keel
Wotan, BigMax, Oldman, Shane, Gremlin, Redd, Urchin, Levi, Dedalos, Eagler, 1Duke1, MrFork, TheBUG, Shifty, and a slew of others made the AvsA ( well the CT ) what it once became and it is up to use to keep it going.......
one thing it is not is an elitist Arena for 1 vs 1 fights or what have you......... it is an arena where we can go for more historical type plane match ups......
This Arena just takes a certian kind of player, not just another gamer...........
yep...... the AvsA is trying to rid itself of the " ol this is our private sandbox , play our way or get out " mentality that some players / some squads tryed so hard to push on to others........
The AvsA Staff, the Regular Participants that show week in and week out have worked very hard to make the AvsA setups more entertaining for all.....
best thing to do is fight your fight and have fun, and help others when they ask :aok
if you are fighting another individual in the cartoon skies and you see he is messing up...... offer him some tips..kindly explain to them what they did wrong or tell em what they should do to have a better chance at getting you.....
anti social gestures are better gone unmentioned / un posted .......... instead of stirring the pot......... be the better person :cool:
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In an attempt to see what other Axis versus Allies enthusiasts playing during daytime hours EST, like myself, were doing that the arena is almost always empty, I posted this thread in that forum http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,281695.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,281695.0.html)
After reading kilo2's response, I have come to the conclusion that I am speaking to the group that knows as well as I do, that the arena is empty because it is empty.
Is that like the old adage referring to a restaurant, every one goes there because everyone goes there.
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Osceola, you'd know who I'm talking about.
Yeah! Get with it Osceola!
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Gav was PMing me saying he was about to fall asleep watching the guy... lol.
Now that's funny...
There was a time when extremely timid BnZ'n was you're boy gavagi's MO. I guess things have changed. :confused:
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Osceola, you'd know who I'm talking about. I don't care about "who is who". But when someone provokes and has "carte blanche", that is where I find a glaring issue. I can squelch people all day, but when a Moderator lies to me to "attempt to even things incorrectly", I lose respect for him.
You mean buster has a new name too?
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That attitude there is what keeps the population down more than anything else in my opinion. The "Fly my way or you suck." mentality has brought the level of enjoyment in this game down for many. Fork used is plane in a manner that he chose, focusing on maintaining a superior position and low risk. He has every right to fly that way just as you have to fly at 2,000 feet in a stall fight.
:rolleyes:
Strip
You missed the boat, the dock, and the land. I only said he was boring. If that is what you wish to promote in AVA... good luck.
Luckily there was one person that was there to actually fight. I really enjoyed flying against Gav... win or lose, and I lost plenty... kept over steering that little LA.
If yall are not looking for fighter types I will relinquish the AVA to the back burner again.
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There were fights shuff... Ask RV6flyer, 2A's and others.
You and gavagi just seemed to want you're own little dueling session.
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There were fights shuff... Ask RV6flyer, 2A's and others.
You and gavagi just seemed to want you're own little dueling session.
The 2 190s earlier never came back. We were looking for others. Unfortunately there were only a few on and no others to be found.
We never setup to duel.... we were just the only 2 there.
So your post is moot since your assuming.... and we know what assuming does.
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you're whole stance is moot buddy.
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you're whole stance is moot buddy.
Coming from you that would be a compliment.
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Went in tonight and had some fun fights with Gav. Not much else going on. Two earlier 190s decided not to come back.
lol some guy/girl named fork came over in a 109k4 high. he made about 10 to 12 passes. All I had to do was start a turn and he'd zoom back on his perch. Guess he's new and does not know the K4. I was in LA5 and oversteering terrible. So lite and nimble.
You caught me while I was on the phone with my sister (http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/animated/anim_03.gif)and then my stick started acting up. :joystick: Soooo, you caught me flying distracted, and then when I decided to press, I couldn't concentrate enough. :rolleyes:
See what happens when to try to fly and talk on the phone at the same time???!?!? (http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/rolleye/rolleye0015.gif)
And no, I'm not new. I've been flying Aces High since Beta version 1.0, and I'm the longest serving CT/AvA admin. :old:
When I did get untangled, I managed to run into a tree that was in my way, which send me spiraling at 350mph into the side of a hill, I then managed to get beaten up several times and ditch, and finally when I was ready to make a kill, I accidentally shot my wingman which caused me to depart with my rudder. (http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/mad/mad0200.gif)
The only real kill I could get was me dispatching one of my fellow admins because he was asleep at the wheel. But that felt like kicking a nun. (http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/ashamed/ashamed0001.gif)
But you have to admit, it was a lot of fun! :x
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No need to explain Fork.
Shuffy's just grasping at straws looking for any small reason to stay out of the AvA. As if anyone even cares if he/she is there or not.
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cough cough mee MEE meeee!! cough cough squeeeeeaaaak!!! OOPPs ill try to goto AVA sometimes.
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I'll be there...... after they set it up properly :rolleyes:
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You caught me while I was on the phone with my sister (http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/animated/anim_03.gif)and then my stick started acting up. :joystick: Soooo, you caught me flying distracted, and then when I decided to press, I couldn't concentrate enough. :rolleyes:
See what happens when to try to fly and talk on the phone at the same time???!?!? (http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/rolleye/rolleye0015.gif)
And no, I'm not new. I've been flying Aces High since Beta version 1.0, and I'm the longest serving CT/AvA admin. :old:
When I did get untangled, I managed to run into a tree that was in my way, which send me spiraling at 350mph into the side of a hill, I then managed to get beaten up several times and ditch, and finally when I was ready to make a kill, I accidentally shot my wingman which caused me to depart with my rudder. (http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/mad/mad0200.gif)
The only real kill I could get was me dispatching one of my fellow admins because he was asleep at the wheel. But that felt like kicking a nun. (http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/ashamed/ashamed0001.gif)
But you have to admit, it was a lot of fun! :x
Now that makes sense. Been there done that. :lol
Parolee Deenann as most know was one of a group that used to try and make AVA their own sandbox... and why it went on life support in the first place.
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Now that makes sense. Been there done that. :lol
Parolee Deenann as most know was one of a group that used to try and make AVA their own sandbox... and why it went on life support in the first place.
Bah. Larry was civil in his response to me. Just put Dinan on the Ignore list. It's a shame too, because I even spelled out my original post that it had NOTHING to do with JG54. Dinan and Osceola missed that fact.
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I'll be there...... after they set it up properly :rolleyes:
Patient young grasshoppa. :D
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Patient young grasshoppa. :D
I got a 6month old sleeping... how long you think i got? right around the time its set, she will be up looking for dear old daddy and her bottle... :cry
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I got a 6month old sleeping... how long you think i got? right around the time its set, she will be up looking for dear old daddy and her bottle... :cry
What's yer number? I'll have her wanting that bottle earlier. :devil
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I got a 6month old sleeping... how long you think i got? right around the time its set, she will be up looking for dear old daddy and her bottle... :cry
lol enjoy while you can... they grow up fast.
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lol enjoy while you can... they grow up fast.
Oh i am.... witch is why i will NOT be flying when she gets up.... so.... lets get a run in allready!
I'm half tempted to up some B17's and so a few strat runs to tick someone off enough to say "hay that's not cool dude" and maybe it will change :rofl
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I think I will give this a shot myself next Monday, thanks for the heads up, sounds fun, interesting and different.
That said, I am not a furballer. I LIKE taking my time, climbing to alt, using decent SA skills, and flying what is to me a more realistic approach. I have said it before, "I don't want to start an engagement slow and on the deck, but I don't mind getting there". It does not sound like this type of flying is welcome there and if that is the case my friend, no problem, I can stay in the main where there are so many more targets for everyone that if a guy does not like my flying style he can find plenty of fights elsewhere.
Simply put, I the newbie, am asking if I will be welcomed there or is it really an old boys club?
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Parolee Deenann as most know was one of a group that used to try and make AVA their own sandbox... and why it went on life support in the first place.
As most know shufflet is a self absorbed cartoon hero that does no wrong. He and the tub'o'krya are the ambassadors of all that is right with this game and any problem they encounter can only be that fault of other players. If it wasn't for 4 or 5 other players these merry men would be in the AvA right now having the time of they're cartoon lives.
Get over it guys.
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Well if it is, you can wing with me/colleen because i see it as a WAR and we can kill them all together m8 :salute
Don't let anyone bully you out of a room ever!
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As most know shufflet is a self absorbed cartoon hero that does no wrong. He and the tub'o'krya are the ambassadors of all that is right with this game and any problem they encounter can only be that fault of other players. If it wasn't for 4 or 5 other players these merry men would be in the AvA right now having the time of they're cartoon lives.
Get over it guys.
I was in there last night and the night before. I did not see you there. I have posted I'd like to see it revived.
You?? You are one of the ones that almost killed it.
I'll put my record up against yours any day. :rofl
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That said, I am not a furballer. I LIKE taking my time, climbing to alt, using decent SA skills, and flying what is to me a more realistic approach.
Simply put, I the newbie, am asking if I will be welcomed there or is it really an old boys club?
Well, according to shuffle truffle you're types need to be weeded out and replaced with higher caliber players like shuffles and gavagai.
So I wouldn't bother showing up. ;)
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You?? You are one of the ones that almost killed it.
Tell me how. I really would like to hear you're story. If you even have one.
Oh, and last night was my first night on in a week or so, sorry. :(
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I feel as if im at H.S. lunch "fight, fight, fight,"
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Well, according to shuffle truffle you're types need to be weeded out and replaced with higher caliber players like shuffles and gavagai.
So I wouldn't bother showing up. ;)
I think ya'll should not be stirring this pot...... it is starting to stink!
Zoney, everyone is welcome in the AvsA........ read the MOTD and fight your fight.......
a friendly tip......don't believe 90% of the chitchat you see posted in this General forum...... :aok :old:
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Well, according to shuffle truffle you're types need to be weeded out and replaced with higher caliber players like shuffles and gavagai.
So I wouldn't bother showing up. ;)
lol Fail to name calling..... typical when you have nothing to stand on.
If you didn't bother showing up... that would be an improvement...
All types will be in there... I don't see the gamey one's being welcomed.
I made a statement about fork not you... you only chimed in because you fly that way all the time, no phone required. Fork passed along what was going on and I understood exactly what happened.
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"I've tried it a few times seems like there was always a big team against the small team, and nobody willing to switch to even it out."
I flew quite a bit in the AvA some tours back, mainly bombers but the occasional fighter sortie too. As a Brit with a feeling for history, I prefer to fly for the Allies. I'm sure that there are others who prefer to fly only for the Luftwaffe. You make a fair point but I suggest if you want more choice and don't mind fighting a three-cornered war, stick to the MA.
Happy trails!
:cool:
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"I've tried it a few times seems like there was always a big team against the small team, and nobody willing to switch to even it out."
I flew quite a bit in the AvA some tours back, mainly bombers but the occasional fighter sortie too. As a Brit with a feeling for history, I prefer to fly for the Allies. I'm sure that there are others who prefer to fly only for the Luftwaffe. You make a fair point but I suggest if you want more choice and don't mind fighting a three-cornered war, stick to the MA.
Happy trails!
:cool:
They are working on it. It will eventually pan out. Right now we just need some numbers. With Mondays coming along I think it is only a matter of time before the other days start fleshing out.
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Zoney,
Join in on the fun. The more the merrier. There is no formal welcome mat, but if you are old enough, the beer flows freely in our virtual Officer's Club / Forum (if you can't tell from our posts). We may lay it on a bit thick on the BBB, but in the air you see multiple <S>s, Good Jobs, and Way To Go's handed out constantly.
You really have to come and see what it is about (like TC said be sure to read the Arena Message / MOTD). Mostly, climb as high as you want, depending on the set of players you most likely will have to come down to have any fights. One of the fun characteristics of the Arena, is that in about 2 minutes you can have an engagement. If you get BnZ'ed, you learn to evade and make the Zoomer loose his E.
The one thing that I have learned is that even the harshest (putting it in PC terms) critic, or frequently criticized player, will offer up valuable advice on how to improve skills. So, this might be better renamed the Training Arena for grown ups :lol (just kidding TC, after having played since :old: '99, I go to the Training Arena to get advice, that always seems to help step up my game).
"I've tried it a few times seems like there was always a big team against the small team, and nobody willing to switch to even it out."
I flew quite a bit in the AvA some tours back, mainly bombers but the occasional fighter sortie too. As a Brit with a feeling for history, I prefer to fly for the Allies. I'm sure that there are others who prefer to fly only for the Luftwaffe. You make a fair point but I suggest if you want more choice and don't mind fighting a three-cornered war, stick to the MA.
Happy trails!
:cool:
:salute Simba
You are correct, choosing your ride and playing the game, as Hitech has done a wonderful job in creating it, will always be a bigger draw. I really hope that you keep stopping in. Having flown with you guys Duxford Wing, you are exactly what the doctor ordered. Your Squad and Bruv's squad are almost mirror images, US/Euro players with large enough numbers to balance the fight. Jimson, had even offered up an "Afternoon Event" that would be favorable for my over seas friends. Let's keep our fingers crossed that your next visit will be better.
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Usch is colleen not zoney if there was confusion
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You and gavagi just seemed to want you're own little dueling session.
If there's only 3 of us, and I'm on the side with 2, I'm not going to gang the 1. Add in more people I promise I won't fight fair. :cheers:
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As most know shufflet is a self absorbed cartoon hero that does no wrong. He and the tub'o'krya are the ambassadors of all that is right with this game and any problem they encounter can only be that fault of other players. If it wasn't for 4 or 5 other players these merry men would be in the AvA right now having the time of they're cartoon lives.
Get over it guys.
Once more so maybe you can stop with the JG54 vs Karaya crap. It is now on YOU and not me. I'm long OVER it Dinan. However, there is a blatant issue that if corrected, I'd return. Squelch is simple when people cannot contain themselves. But allowing one player free reign on 200 and when anyone civilly responds. Is then told "if you continue, you'll be muted". All the while the inflammatory jerk is still spewing forth his attacks (was never sent a Warning or else it would have curtailed). That "Moderator" should have his Moderating Privileges revoked. End of story.
Actually, IDGAF about "planes I can fly". For me it is about "not playing favorites". Stew on that last sentence a bit. I don't go in their primarily because of that part, it is not needed in this game at all. It's disappointing, because I'm just as happy in Early War/Mid War rides as anything else. Actually, it's not disappointing, it's a shame.
Edit: Before anyone from JG54 jumps on that, don't, it isn't directed at you. But who "it is" posted in this thread recently. So don't bother dredging up any "conspiracy theories". It is well known for those who were there, what happened and all agree, "it was uncalled for".
Larry got it and was civil in his reply. However, two members of the same group, seem to have difficult time with it, especially when I haven't BASHED JG54 in this entire thread. I've let it go Dinan, you haven't. :salute
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Everyone is welcome on Monday nights.
All I ask is that you keep in mind that we want people to want to come back.
Set aside past differences.
Fly with sportsmanship (at least a little)
Of course you should clear your buddies 6, this isn't a series of one on one duels, but use common sense, don't gang 5v1.
Avoid HO's and vulching.
Use 200 only for encouragement and friendly comments.
Give salutes and make it an enjoyable experience for all. One that people will want to return to.
jimson
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Everyone is welcome on Monday nights.
All I ask is that you keep in mind that we want people to want to come back.
Set aside past differences.
Fly with sportsmanship (at least a little)
Of course you should clear your buddies 6, this isn't a series of one on one duels, but use common sense, don't gang 5v1.
Avoid HO's and vulching.
Use 200 only for encouragement and friendly comments.
Give salutes and make it an enjoyable experience for all. One that people will want to return to.
jimson
This announcement has been brought to you by the Elect Jimson to Congress Foundation..... we will now return you to your program in progress.... :D
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Chilli, again, thanks for the heads up. I can clearly see past the BS rhetoric common in the main and will ignore it. Gents, expect me on Monday nights. I will talk to my squaddies (II/JG27 Afrika), and see if I cant bring a couple with me. And yeah, I am a Luftwaffe pilot. :rock :salute
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This announcement has been brought to you by the Elect Jimson to Congress Foundation..... we will now return you to your program in progress.... :D
LOL,
I have zero authority, just trying to get something going we can all enjoy.
:salute
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LOL,
I have zero authority, just trying to get something going we can all enjoy.
:salute
Your making a strong push to get this thing back to where it once was. Lots of talk about the AVA on the boards now which is good. Your creating excitement..... keep up the good work.
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I would spend alot of time in AvA, however, it is mostly active when I have to get my beauty sleep
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I would spend alot of time in AvA, however, it is mostly active when I have to get my beauty sleep
Beauty sleep?? :huh
How's that workin' out for ya? :D
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Karaya, the problem is I have know clue of what you're talking about. :)
Whatever traumatic ordeal you went through and are posting about now has no meaning to me, maybe because I wasn't there or it was so insignificant that its not worth remembering. Either way it happend in a cartoon game with people you don't even know. Now If this incident took place face to face in you're own home I could see why you would be scared for life but this is some BS game. Its not really worth getting all emotional about something, whatever it was, that happend ages ago and has no real bearing on you're life.
I just find it pathetic that when ever these AvA related threads get going either you or shuffler always chime in with the "Ya Know JG54 ruined the AvA"
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Karaya, the problem is I have know clue of what you're talking about. :)
Whatever traumatic ordeal you went through and are posting about now has no meaning to me, maybe because I wasn't there or it was so insignificant that its not worth remembering. Either way it happend in a cartoon game with people you don't even know. Now If this incident took place face to face in you're own home I could see why you would be scared for life but this is some BS game. Its not really worth getting all emotional about something, whatever it was, that happend ages ago and has no real bearing on you're life.
I just find it pathetic that when ever these AvA related threads get going either you or shuffler always chime in with the "Ya Know JG54 ruined the AvA"
You brought up JG 54... they have cleaned up their act except for a few loose ends.
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Karaya, the problem is I have know clue of what you're talking about. :)
Whatever traumatic ordeal you went through and are posting about now has no meaning to me, maybe because I wasn't there or it was so insignificant that its not worth remembering. Either way it happend in a cartoon game with people you don't even know. Now If this incident took place face to face in you're own home I could see why you would be scared for life but this is some BS game. Its not really worth getting all emotional about something, whatever it was, that happend ages ago and has no real bearing on you're life.
I just find it pathetic that when ever these AvA related threads get going either you or shuffler always chime in with the "Ya Know JG54 ruined the AvA"
Again. You're wrong, I never said "Ya know JG54 ruined the AvA" in this thread, so that is taken care of and dismissed.
As to the "event", you WERE there and probably don't remember and I do NOT hold JG54 accountable. Only the Moderator who has his "own agenda" and has no business being a Moderator.
I'm not losing sleep over it. However that issue needs to be addressed and it isn't being addressed because that is the "status quo".
I've attacked no one from JG54 in this thread, the Community can prove my typed syntax. As for "Karaya, the problem is I have know clue of what you're talking about" and then slinging personal attacks, leaves one to wonder some things as well.
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Where else can you get this kind of banter :D In case you are wondering Hitech, this is what we do when the Arena is empty :bolt: making popcorn, anyone else want some :O Don't sit too close, the view is better from far.
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(http://k43.pbase.com/o5/42/267742/1/68416045.wGDPMlLK.popcorn.gif)
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Where else can you get this kind of banter :D In case you are wondering Hitech, this is what we do when the Arena is empty :bolt: making popcorn, anyone else want some :O Don't sit too close, the view is better from far.
<snicker>
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Well the 3 aircraft setup and no real GV spawns with uncontrollable CV's and a 8,000ft max alt due to downdraft is not appealing to me.
this is a WWII Sim ain't it... I'll go fly an F4u or P51D in the MA like everyone else.....
Yesterday was a blast 109's Vs La's and Yak's were fun... the new room doesn't make me want to jump in. I waited all day for it and now im done waiting ill go do something else untill we get a better room. how about some more eastern front or GB Vs JP. ANYTHING but 3 US aircraft Vs eachother!
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this is a WWII Sim ain't it...
I wish.
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Well the 3 aircraft setup and no real GV spawns with uncontrollable CV's and a 8,000ft max alt due to downdraft is not appealing to me.
this is a WWII Sim ain't it... I'll go fly an F4u or P51D in the MA like everyone else.....
Yesterday was a blast 109's Vs La's and Yak's were fun... the new room doesn't make me want to jump in. I waited all day for it and now im done waiting ill go do something else untill we get a better room. how about some more eastern front or GB Vs JP. ANYTHING but 3 US aircraft Vs eachother!
Hitech says it is not a WWII sim.
If you need more alt to cover you... it might not be for you.
Last I checked, not everyone was in ponies or hogs in the MAs.
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Last I checked, not everyone was in ponies or hogs in the MAs.
Actually, if you see a F4U, there's most probably a CV nearby, in which case there's not that much to choose from.
In pure land-based battles, Hogs are relatively rare.
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Well the 3 aircraft setup and no real GV spawns with uncontrollable CV's and a 8,000ft max alt due to downdraft is not appealing to me.
this is a WWII Sim ain't it... I'll go fly an F4u or P51D in the MA like everyone else.....
Yesterday was a blast 109's Vs La's and Yak's were fun... the new room doesn't make me want to jump in. I waited all day for it and now im done waiting ill go do something else untill we get a better room. how about some more eastern front or GB Vs JP. ANYTHING but 3 US aircraft Vs eachother!
Well, they run different set ups each week or so.
This one is different but still an event from history, and should be a lot of fun. Check back often and fly when one appeals to you.
The wind and icons that disappear on the deck actually make the game more interesting.
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1. we all know that its a game not a WWII sim. but imo axis vs allies room should have axis aircraft available.
2. 3 U.S. aircraft vs 2 U.S. aircraft for 1 whole room is a waist of a room.
3. an 8k alt cap is silly no matter what.
4. i was under the impression thr room was trying to get people in it, not drive them out. who wants an axis vs allies room with f4u4's vs. f4u1 and p51's?? that sounds more like the DA than anything else.
im just saying what i see... no way could i get my squad in an empty room to "ferball" f4u's all day long. or even more than a flight or two.
I'll just fly the F4u4 at 200ft and watch as the other side killshoots eachother not having tags :aok (3 F4u's fighting witch one is the bad guy lol)
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All I ask is that you keep in mind that we want people to want to come back.
Thank you, Jimson, I think this is key. For some bewildering reason, every time an AvA thread starts it gets diverted to a "why I hate the AvA" theme. It would be one thing if the new folks were the ones saying that - see, for example, some criticism of the current Soccer Wars setup, which is understandable and which was considered by staff before we chose it. But most often it's veteran players who are nursing some grudge from months, or even years ago. I can understand why someone might not want to fly in the AvA, but it is very difficult for me to comprehend why someone would want the AvA to fail.
So I suggest we all remember our mothers' advice about saying nothing if you can't say something nice.
- oldman
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Im all for the no tags low btw i think its great. but not when its allies vs allies
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Im all for the no tags low btw i think its great. but not when its allies vs allies
If the scenario is the Soccer war, then there are no Allies in it at all ;)
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Thank you, Jimson, I think this is key. For some bewildering reason, every time an AvA thread starts it gets diverted to a "why I hate the AvA" theme. It would be one thing if the new folks were the ones saying that - see, for example, some criticism of the current Soccer Wars setup, which is understandable and which was considered by staff before we chose it. But most often it's veteran players who are nursing some grudge from months, or even years ago. I can understand why someone might not want to fly in the AvA, but it is very difficult for me to comprehend why someone would want the AvA to fail.
So I suggest we all remember our mothers' advice about saying nothing if you can't say something nice.
- oldman
Edit: You're not worth it.
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If the scenario is the Soccer war, then there are no Allies in it at all ;)
well they are flying U.S. aircraft, so at one time or during it for all i know they were allies of the U.S. in order to buy the aircraft. so im not incorrect in saying its allies vs allies. and you are correct stating both countrys are not eachothers allie :rofl
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1. we all know that its a game not a WWII sim. but imo axis vs allies room should have axis aircraft available.
2. 3 U.S. aircraft vs 2 U.S. aircraft for 1 whole room is a waist of a room.
3. an 8k alt cap is silly no matter what.
4. i was under the impression thr room was trying to get people in it, not drive them out. who wants an axis vs allies room with f4u4's vs. f4u1 and p51's?? that sounds more like the DA than anything else.
im just saying what i see... no way could i get my squad in an empty room to "ferball" f4u's all day long. or even more than a flight or two.
I'll just fly the F4u4 at 200ft and watch as the other side killshoots eachother not having tags :aok (3 F4u's fighting witch one is the bad guy lol)
Allright.
It's not going to be for everyone. They run alot of different set-ups. Some like some, some like others.
Maybe we will see you some other time.
Thanks for the input.
jimson
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well they are flying U.S. aircraft, so at one time or during it for all i know they were allies of the U.S. in order to buy the aircraft. so im not incorrect in saying its allies vs allies. and you are correct stating both countrys are not eachothers allie :rofl
Did you read the MOTD?
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Did you read the MOTD?
yes. and?
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yes. and?
Waffles.
It's not that they were allies of the US it's that after Korea we had all this equipment that wasn't being used so there were two choices sell it or scrap it.
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Waffles.
It's not that they were allies of the US it's that after Korea we had all this equipment that wasn't being used so there were two choices sell it or scrap it.
ya i know. so if its not axis vs allies whats it doing in the room? also if they bought it from us (both country's) they were our allies (as we don't sell military equipment to people we are not allies with.) so as i said before I'm not wrong and neather is Lusche. its our allies vs. our allies.
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(as we don't sell military equipment to people we are not allies with.)
This gave me a good laugh, but that's about as far as I can go with it (self-censorship by rule #14).
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Well I'm done with this part of the conversation. :rofl
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This gave me a good laugh, but that's about as far as I can go with it (self-censorship by rule #14).
Ya i was thinking the same thing when i wrote it.
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Thank you, Jimson, I think this is key. For some bewildering reason, every time an AvA thread starts it gets diverted to a "why I hate the AvA" theme. It would be one thing if the new folks were the ones saying that - see, for example, some criticism of the current Soccer Wars setup, which is understandable and which was considered by staff before we chose it. But most often it's veteran players who are nursing some grudge from months, or even years ago. I can understand why someone might not want to fly in the AvA, but it is very difficult for me to comprehend why someone would want the AvA to fail.
So I suggest we all remember our mothers' advice about saying nothing if you can't say something nice.
- oldman
I agree it was only part of the problem.... the CMs that were around back then could have fixed it.
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That sounds alot like something Storch would post... I wonder what his current in game name is...
Ruhzyo ^__^
ack-ack
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USCH, maybe you should fly with more of an open mind. maybe the cm's are trying new things to encourage people to come in and try it out. not all scenarios work for everyone.
luckily you have 5 other arena's to choose from. its just a little experimentation and i dont think its a bad thing. settings can always be changed if they dont work out. its not a perfect WW2 in the AVA. if it were, you would have more crappy weather and people complaining that they cant see the targets from 25k which is the way it really was. you would also have a shotgun mounted on your computer screen and when you died in the game the shotgun would go off and it would really be game over! :)
all im trying to say is just give it a try, play it with an open mind and feel free to make suggestions. the CM's are pretty good at listening.
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I think your misunderstanding. I'm all for the room, just not fighting U.S. aircraft Vs. U.S. aircraft. That to me is way off the intention of axis Vs allies.
I have yet to see anyone in the room today after they got it working. I was pumped up to have more great fights like yesterday. I haven't seen anyone who wants to fly the what is basically the same 2 aircraft.
I have yet to see anyone chime in and say they love the room and have been in flying all day.
I'm not complining I'm just saying i had a great day yesterday (as did a good 6 or more guys) we need to keep that rolling.
I had 7 guys on line today and had we had yesterdays room i bet i could have gotten them to fly. After telling them it was P51/F4u1d vs. f4u4's with an alt cap of 8k they asked if the CM's were crazy....
So insted of upping today's numbers from yesterday we got a big ole goose egg.
I applaud the effort but i just don't see it being popular with the lack of GV spawns and lack aircraft.
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The Current "Soccer war" campaign is really a refreshing new campaign that I have never seen in the AvsA arena before......
kudos to those who thought of it, I suspect there will be just as much fun had with this setup , as their is with most others.......
just some people will not understand the concept of it all......
Thanks for hosting this setup........
you'd think if every player read the posted thread writeup in the AvsA forum about this "Soccer War Campaign" and read about the history behind it......then they might be able to understand and comprehend the reasoning for this setup.......
then again maybe not........... but if I am correct, it really is the only time F4U's actually fought F4U's in real life....... so that would truly make it one of them...it's the pilot not the plane ideology :airplane: ' ,* . ' ' * , :airplane: ( <---blue plane shooting at a blue plane ROFL )
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ideology :airplane: ' ,* . ' ' * , :airplane: ( <---blue plane shooting at a blue plane ROFL )
Cherry picker!!!!!!!!!! :furious
Real men don't shoot you in the back!!!!!!!!!!
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USCH, maybe you should fly with more of an open mind. maybe the cm's are trying new things to encourage people to come in and try it out. not all scenarios work for everyone.
luckily you have 5 other arena's to choose from. its just a little experimentation and i dont think its a bad thing. settings can always be changed if they dont work out. its not a perfect WW2 in the AVA. if it were, you would have more crappy weather and people complaining that they cant see the targets from 25k which is the way it really was. you would also have a shotgun mounted on your computer screen and when you died in the game the shotgun would go off and it would really be game over! :)
all im trying to say is just give it a try, play it with an open mind and feel free to make suggestions. the CM's are pretty good at listening.
This is very true. Can't please everyone all the time. While the setup is not to your liking this round, it is to someone else. The room will chnge again.... that is the beauty of it.
Which brings to question.... how often is the room going to change setups? <S>
.....but if I am correct, it really is the only time F4U's actually fought F4U's in real life....... so that would truly make it one of them...it's the pilot not the plane ideology :airplane: ' ,* . ' ' * , :airplane: ( <---blue plane shooting at a blue plane ROFL )
:rofl
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This is one of those set-ups that might bring in some people who've never tried it before and expose them to the different settings etc, as it has a couple of the most popular late war planes.
When I first starting promoting the AvA on Mondays, a set-up was put in that I didn't think was very even and not the one I wanted to try and hook my squad and other first time AvA players with.
Rather than air my concerns publicly on the forum, I chose to PM the staff.
Well, of course they didn't change the set-up just for me and as it turned out it was a lot of fun and though some agreed with me, a lot of people did not share my opinion.
I'm glad I addressed it that way, because I might have influenced some people with my opinion and brought negativity into the equation for nothing.
It worked out OK and the next week a set-up more to my liking was put in.
The rotation of the set-ups varies, usually changes weekly, but when a "mini war" scenario is going, it stays up longer.
Even then, they will sometimes take a break and put in a "meanwhile on the other side of the world" set-up for a week.
The last two weeks was an exception in that they kept the eastern front scenario up for an extra week because it had some of the same match-ups from FSO and it was good practice for that event.
The second week they enabled additional FSO planes.
Normally, it would change every week.
jimson
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This is one of those set-ups that might bring in some people who've never tried it before and expose them to the different settings etc, as it has a couple of the most popular late war planes.
When I first starting promoting the AvA on Mondays, a set-up was put in that I didn't think was very even and not the one I wanted to try and hook my squad and other first time AvA players with.
Rather than air my concerns publicly on the forum, I chose to PM the staff.
Well, of course they didn't change the set-up just for me and as it turned out it was a lot of fun and though some agreed with me, a lot of people did not share my opinion.
I'm glad I addressed it that way, because I might have influenced some people with my opinion and brought negativity into the equation for nothing.
It worked out OK and the next week a set-up more to my liking was put in.
The rotation of the set-ups varies, usually changes weekly, but when a "mini war" scenario is going, it stays up longer.
Even then, they will sometimes take a break and put in a "meanwhile on the other side of the world" set-up for a week.
The last two weeks was an exception in that they kept the eastern front scenario up for an extra week because it had some of the same match-ups from FSO and it was good practice for that event.
The second week they enabled additional FSO planes.
Normally, it would change every week.
jimson
The boards are for discussion. Discussion is healthy. Not everything is aired on the boards or PMed.
If folks PMed the CMs with everything they would quickly be overwhelmed. Here one question or statement may be shared by many. When it is adressed here, all involved read it. The CM only had to type it once to answer multiple folks. This may induce more questions or comment which can be adressed here.
The worst thing you can do is to qwell folks questions or comments. When you do that then folks talk amongst themselves and you get all kinds of stories blowing up. Good or bad, it is important to air them in public so they may be adressed more easily and timely. A issue can spread like a cancer if left unfettered.
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You do have a point there.
I suppose it's worth noting that as strongly as one might feel about something (like a particular AvA set-up) others may have a totally different opinion that is quite valid.
Something I am learning in my old age.
jimson
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Peeps used to call me Storch, now I'm Osceola... actually I'm neither... keep guessing kry'a
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We can't please everyone and we post setups that offer a snapshot of history, and the Soccer War is one of those rare instances where we have the aircraft to simulate the event. I also want to do the Israel War of Independence, where a lot of the equipment was leftover WWII fighters, bombers and tanks. Again, a timeline in history we can re-create.
That said, yes, the arena is called AvA for a reason - but originally it was the Combat Theatre.
ALSO - there is no reason to smack-talk the AvA or the admins, right guys? We're all volunteers, or did some of you forget this fact?
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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I'll just fly the F4U4 at 200ft and watch as the other side killshoots eachother not having tags :aok (3 F4u's fighting witch one is the bad guy lol)
IIRC friendly icons don't disappear, so if you are shooting at an
f4U with no icons you are probably OK.
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pwnt.
How's middle school going?
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At one time you could show up there and find quite a few folks. Fights were usually pretty good. It never had the numbers to accept full squads making it home though.
Same thing that killed AVA is currently at work in MW. Sizeable squad tilting numbers drastically. For instance the other night I got on to find 14 or 15 knights capturing bases from 1 bish and 2 rooks. All of the knights were of one squad. SOARS took a lot of grief for doing the same in EW.
This now a common occurance in MW....... Starting to drag MW down