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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BaldEagl on June 27, 2010, 10:23:23 AM
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I've been reading all these threads about the new radar settings. Before I begin I played Friday night and most of the day yesterday and they made no difference to me although for the record I think 65' is too low.
What I don't get is all the people jumping for joy over these settings because they will limit the NOE crowd. For the most part, these same people are those who always say they don't care about winning the war and, if you are to believe them, are ACM masters who could single handedly take down an entire hoard of "skilless dweebs". If you don't care about winning the war then why care about the NOE base takers? I don't and haven't cared about either one. I just want to kill people and blow suff up.
Frankly, when the NOE guys take a single base deep in the enemy backfield it just creates more fights on that part of the map. I always thought that was a good thing. Evidently I was mistaken.
On the other hand, if you do care about winning the war, then one of your strategies has just been taken from you. What were once 5-10 man NOE missions will now turn into 20-30 man hoard missions. Even I with my modest skills stood a chance against 5-10 low 110's but I don't want to be anywhere near the 30 man hoard with alt and E.
I don't know. You guys can all spout your awsome skills and ACM prowess and jump on each other's ankles but I don't see any good coming from this. Like I said, I don't get it.
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Frankly, when the NOE guys take a single base deep in the enemy backfield it just creates more fights on that part of the map. I always thought that was a good thing. Evidently I was mistaken.
If NOEs where used to stir things up behind enemy lines, there wouldnt be as much drama. That tactic was being way overused not to promote combat, but to race to reset the map. Interaction with others is why this game is so successful. The NOE tactic is used to have overwhelming #s and to catch them by surprise. Success with that is to avoid any interaction with other players.
Admit it. If all sides suddenly thought one day to go NOE and smash bases, it would make for a pretty boring game. The tactic if used against them, would be hated. Even to those hardcore base-takers, they would cry horde when Dredger used to put those high #s missions.
The game was turning into a cesspool, if you were here last week, you would see. NOE after NOE. It gets lame really fast
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As Tralfaz said, last Sunday was a good example. Multiple NOEs, non-stop all day and as soon as the base was taken the NOE group would land and do it somewhere else. Even if the defenders up'd to attack from a nearby base, the NOE lemmings would have already landed.
It was akin to playing 'whack-a-mole' than anything else.
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I believe the new radar setting promotes fights and makes the massive noe hoarde squads work a bit harder if they want to cowardly sneak around unseen. Have you not noticed the huge drop in base rolling?
Having the dar the way it was allowed for the sneak squads to go from 1 base to the next without having to really fight. Sure maybe 2 or 3 guys would up to try and defend once a full dar bar popped up, but now ample time is given for defenders to be at least there to try and defend.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not anti-noe, it's just several BIG squads have made this kind of tactic the norm and that's when it becomes lame. It they want to go noe then by God go noe. Challenge the guys that don't seem to want a challenge.
The new radar system also puts more worth in high alt bombing, which is where it should be. Take a look at how the 91st bomb group are working it. Very realistic AND affective. They're coming in high in numbers and hitting strats. The way I think HiTech intended the game to be played.
And the jet guys...now they can't fly noe going unnoticed either. I see one famous ace isn't liking the new dar. Him and his sidekick gamed the radar to death. Do you think the RL 262 or 163 pilots would use that kind of tactic back in the day?
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Tralfaz, Delirium,
If so, then ?
Call HTC to 'whining' (i not like this term but some of you seems to like it very much) pls change the rules?
or BETTER use this forum to find a solution?
:salute
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Tralfaz, Delirium,
If so, then ?
Call HTC to 'whining' (i not like this term but some of you seems to like it very much) pls change the rules?
or BETTER use this forum to find a solution?
:salute
LOL HT was prob on a shade and witnessed the timidity... thus rule change.
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I didn't call anyone... only a blind and deaf man could not see the problem.
Lulu, don't forget your tinfoil hat. :noid
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all this over Radar? :headscratch: i dont get it just up and look for the red guys :D :bolt:
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I don't care about the 65ft rule....whatever in my book....but the larger DAR rings....no! If your going to make DAR rings larger why not just have 1 DAR per side covering 300+ miles coming out of HQ, problem solved no NOE's, no hordes.
BTW; What is a HORDE now days, 1,2,3,4???? I have seen players complain that 3 cons were a horde. Just want to understand the new rules of the game so I don't become part of a horde :salute
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Just my opinion, but 65' is too low. 100' would've been better.
That tactic was being way overused not to promote combat, but to race to reset the map.
Not disagreeing, but if you look at how rarely maps get reset, I don't think NOEs were the scourge to the map that some are trying to make them out to be.
BTW; What is a HORDE now days, 1,2,3,4???? I have seen players complain that 3 cons were a horde. Just want to understand the new rules of the game so I don't become part of a horde
Don't ya know? If your side of the fight has one more plane than the other side, you are part of a horde.
:salute
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And the jet guys...now they can't fly noe going unnoticed either.
Yes you can.
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Just my opinion, but 65' is too low. 100' would've been better.
Not disagreeing, but if you look at how rarely maps get reset, I don't think NOEs were the scourge to the map that some are trying to make them out to be.
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They were not the scrounge because of map resets, but for running gameplay issues.
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Not at all, I could care less about that, haven't hardly flown the jet this tour anyways. The point is, the entire "Hunting" aspect of the game has been completely removed. Staying under 65 feet over rugged terrain is near impossible now. I can barely do it in any plane for more than 10 or so seconds without auguring or dipping above 65 feet. I always thought 500 ft was too high because there is absolutely no challenge and even then, some scrub noobs still couldn't do it. But to go from 500 ft down to 65 feet is like deciding one day you are going to take ice baths every morning instead of hot showers before work. It ought to be in the 100-150 yd range, if you wanted to call it "Challenging" Nap of Earth. As it is, it should be called "Laughably Absurd, Good Luck Not Auguring <Snicker Snicker>" Nap of Earth.
I'm not siding with anyone here, I'm just calling a spade a spade.
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Yes you can.
gamer
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Just my opinion, but 65' is too low. 100' would've been better.
Not disagreeing, but if you look at how rarely maps get reset, I don't think NOEs were the scourge to the map that some are trying to make them out to be.
Don't ya know? If your side of the fight has one more plane than the other side, you are part of a horde.
:salute
Thanks :x
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Delirium,
I said:
"or BETTER use this forum to find a solution?"
Who is more blind and ect?
:salute
ps
I will use Bronk's one :rofl
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The "NOE behind enemy lines" mission is a casualty of this change. Unfortunately it wasn't run very often anyway. Those that ran the continuous "smash and grab" NOEs are the one who brought about the change. I was on that last Sunday that Del was talking about and all you could do was jump from place to place to chase down a straggler or two. There were no fights.
Maybe HT's wife was out of town and the weather sucked so he couldn't fly his plane so he decided to stop in and try a few fights.... and couldn't find one. The guy that used the NOE as their MAIN mission are the one who have brought about this change. Had they used other missions to vary to attacks and fought it out now and then things may still be the same. I've said it for years on these boards, the players have to police themselves or HTC will do it. They couldn't stop running NOE after NOE and now nobody can run a NOE.
I think once every starts getting out of their GVs (have you noticed thats were most are these days?) and starts flying again your going to see a lot of great battles.
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I think once every starts getting out of their GVs (have you noticed thats were most are these days?) and starts flying again your going to see a lot of great battles.
I can't speak for anyone else... but I'm Gving most of the time now because I find the dar ranges and the resulting gameplay quite frustrating.
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I can't speak for anyone else... but I'm Gving most of the time now because I find the dar ranges and the resulting gameplay quite frustrating.
why? you fellers act like its hard to find a fight or am i just lost :headscratch:
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Delirium,
I said:
"or BETTER use this forum to find a solution?"
Who is more blind and ect?
:salute
ps
I will use Bronk's one :rofl
To be fair lulu, half the time I can't figure out what the heck you are trying to say either.
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As Tralfaz said, last Sunday was a good example. Multiple NOEs, non-stop all day and as soon as the base was taken the NOE group would land and do it somewhere else. Even if the defenders up'd to attack from a nearby base, the NOE lemmings would have already landed.
It was akin to playing 'whack-a-mole' than anything else.
when ya up from that nearby base to go after them, take a goon or 2 with ya. if they've landed, and are headed out for another base......take that one back.
if they fight, then you got yourself a good fun fight. if not, then you get your base back.
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What I don't get is all the people jumping for joy over these settings because they will limit the NOE crowd. For the most part, these same people are those who always say they don't care about winning the war and, if you are to believe them, are ACM masters who could single handedly take down an entire hoard of "skilless dweebs". If you don't care about winning the war then why care about the NOE base takers? I don't and haven't cared about either one. I just want to kill people and blow suff up.
This is extremely inaccurate considering out of all the people i've seen in theses threads that are for the change or that have voiced displeasure with the massive noe types only a handful i would classify as pure "furballers" . Most of them are base takers or just do whatever is fun to them. People like you and kev seem to like to put every good or half decent stick and people who disagree with you into the same group when infact most of the people you've labeled as such are anything but a "furballer" .
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NOe's will not ever stop..I also find it funny that someone said."FIGHTS COULDNT BE FOUND"...WOW..really??You mean people who run NOE's are keeping the other 2 sides from fighting??Not everyone on one side or any other joins missions.so there is always a fight going on somewhere..How many to you constitutes a fight??
Here is your "GREAT BATTLE" you are going to see fugitive.You are going to see MANY come into a base,drop hangars,kill town,and take the base...simple as that..The only thing the change in the height of the radar has done is to increase a little time in going and taking down radars,and porking,you going to get fights out of a guy or 2 going in to do that?I log in and I see huge areas of RED dar rings where others are already porking front lines,on ALL sides..expect to see alot of that from now on.
I do not believe the dar rings need to be so big,and not because it hurts my missions,because it doesnt,but because it does somewhat hurt the "SURPRISE" factor of seeing a darbar and not exactly knowing where the con or cons are coming from..For those who ONLY want to fight air to air,it is great..
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Im no base taker but the more and more I play I think 100 feet would be alot better for NOE.... The dar rings are all jacked up anyway so theey might as well bring it back to what 13 miles it was?
My biggest concern is strats............we need the little ones back and make them and the big one very important to the fight somehow.
:salute
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I can't speak for anyone else... but I'm Gving most of the time now because I find the dar ranges and the resulting gameplay quite frustrating.
:airplane:-|== Don't care about the low alt but would really like to see the ring back to original size. Seems more confusing now the size it is
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To be fair lulu, half the time I can't figure out what the heck you are trying to say either.
That is exactly the problem I have... no disrespect intended, Lulu. I know English isn't your primary language, but it is very difficult to understand you sometimes.
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Falcon;
Noone said NOEs were going to stop. They just made it more challenging. If anything it would make the new guys have motivation to be better at the game.
Guys coming in taking down FHs, smashing towns etc will be the outcome yes. Picking the lesser of 2 evils, I would choose the guys coming at alt. It then gives fair warning that something big is coming rather than the old way of " base flashing..could be a NOE..err no just a lone porker" land, bail out or whatever, rinse and repeat.
Just because your side can mount a massive surprise assault doesnt mean you should ALL THE TIME.
Whats funny here is that these squads out there that like to kill things rather than take bases are much more respected. "furballers" hate basetakers and yes, Basetakers hate other basetakers. I wonder why :confused:
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Falcon;
Noone said NOEs were going to stop. They just made it more challenging. If anything it would make the new guys have motivation to be better at the game.
"More challenging" is an understatement of epic proportion.
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Delirium,
I said:
"or BETTER use this forum to find a solution?"
Who is more blind and ect?
:salute
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I will use Bronk's one :rofl
The solution has been made, so who is blind?
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Which part of this was not clear? (to whining ---> to whine)
"Tralfaz, Delirium,
If so, then ?
Call HTC to 'whining' (i not like this term but some of you seems to like it very much) pls change the rules?
Or BETTER use this forum to find a solution?"
:salute
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I've been reading all these threads about the new radar settings. Before I begin I played Friday night and most of the day yesterday and they made no difference to me although for the record I think 65' is too low.
What I don't get is all the people jumping for joy over these settings because they will limit the NOE crowd. For the most part, these same people are those who always say they don't care about winning the war and, if you are to believe them, are ACM masters who could single handedly take down an entire hoard of "skilless dweebs". If you don't care about winning the war then why care about the NOE base takers? I don't and haven't cared about either one. I just want to kill people and blow suff up.
Frankly, when the NOE guys take a single base deep in the enemy backfield it just creates more fights on that part of the map. I always thought that was a good thing. Evidently I was mistaken.
On the other hand, if you do care about winning the war, then one of your strategies has just been taken from you. What were once 5-10 man NOE missions will now turn into 20-30 man hoard missions. Even I with my modest skills stood a chance against 5-10 low 110's but I don't want to be anywhere near the 30 man hoard with alt and E.
I don't know. You guys can all spout your awsome skills and ACM prowess and jump on each other's ankles but I don't see any good coming from this. Like I said, I don't get it.
VERY well said!! :aok
ROX
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BTW: What was the ACTUAL, REALISTIC use of radar in WWII? 300, 400 feet?
If the game is doing things that weren't done in WWII, why not intruduce satallite views of the map from space and Vietnam Era jets?
WTG HTC--you just turned AH into a box game with people.
ROX
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Which part of this was not clear? (to whining ---> to whine)
"Tralfaz, Delirium,
If so, then ? This isn't a complete sentence. What are you trying to say here?
Call HTC to 'whining' (i not like this term but some of you seems to like it very much) pls change the rules?Are you saying you think people called HTC to complain (whine) about all of the NOE's? If so, I don't think that is what happened. I think there may have been a few emails, but I think Hitech logged in and saw what was happening and that is what prompted him to change things.
Or BETTER use this forum to find a solution?"The forums are NOT used for solutions. Hitech is the solution. What he says is law. It's his play ground and we only rent time here. I'm sure Hitech reads enough of the boards that if he see's something that will work he may take a suggestion.
:salute
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BTW: What was the ACTUAL, REALISTIC use of radar in WWII? 300, 400 feet?
If the game is doing things that weren't done in WWII, why not intruduce satallite views of the map from space and Vietnam Era jets?
WTG HTC--you just turned AH into a box game with people.
ROX
I wouldn't go that far ROX. That comment is almost as absurd as the changes they made... the irony. :)
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I wouldn't go that far ROX. That comment is almost as absurd as the changes they made... the irony. :)
Seriously, HTC say they try to do everything they can to make the game as realistic as the situations were from 1939- 1945, and now have CHANGED the historical use of radar from WWII and turn it into some hyper-accurate, down to a 5 story building perfect electronic system that DID NOT EXIST IN WWII!
If it had, Pearl Harbor would have been a totally different story, BoB would have been a totally different story, and the raids on Berlin, Dresden, Schweinfurt, and Hamburg would/could have ALL turned out quite differently in both sides would have the unrealistic radar that HTC has now introduced into the game.
It transformed the game from being at least reasonably accurate historically to now being a joke.
ROX
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Which part of this was not clear? (to whining ---> to whine)
"Tralfaz, Delirium,
If so, then ?
Call HTC to 'whining' (i not like this term but some of you seems to like it very much) pls change the rules?
Or BETTER use this forum to find a solution?"
:salute
Most of it. Are you saying they are whining?
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Please guys -
Cut lulu a wee bit of slack, English is not his first language.
Thankyou.
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Please guys -
Cut lulu a wee bit of slack, English is not his first language.
Thankyou.
Just asked for clarification. Don't read something that isn't there.
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It transformed the game from being at least reasonably accurate historically to now being a joke.
radar in AH was never "reasonably accurate".
- Range was way too short, RL early warning radar had much longer ranges than our old 12 and even the new 20 mile
- most ground radar units could give you at least a rough altitude (absolutely vital for AA or vectoring fighters in), we had none and still have none
- radar was blocked by terrain (mountain et al), our never was.
- radar min alt was always also depending on range to target, our was not and still is not.
It was always just a gameplay tool.
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Seriously, HTC say they try to do everything they can to make the game as realistic as the situations were from 1939- 1945, and now have CHANGED the historical use of radar from WWII and turn it into some hyper-accurate, down to a 5 story building perfect electronic system that DID NOT EXIST IN WWII!
If it had, Pearl Harbor would have been a totally different story, BoB would have been a totally different story, and the raids on Berlin, Dresden, Schweinfurt, and Hamburg would/could have ALL turned out quite differently in both sides would have the unrealistic radar that HTC has now introduced into the game.
It transformed the game from being at least reasonably accurate historically to now being a joke.
ROX
Truley accurate? Perhaps the DDAY invasion would of been simply solved by getting a bunch of cannon birds to the coast of France, taking down 60 town buildings and 8 guns. Goon command would of got orders to reup with 10 more drunks that magicly took off back from the English Channel.
Point here Rox..its a game. Was and always will be
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Funny, I hadn't gone on a NOE run for months. They drop the deck to 65 and I went on 2 last night. The change made it fun for me again. Go figure...
EDIT: Also, we did fly over land and didn't pop dar. It was definately challenging to pull off in a group of ten or so.
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Challenge the guys that don't seem to want a challenge.
There are ALOT of guys that never flew a noe in their lives that don't want a challenge.
I wonder what the new red headed step child will be in this game?
There WILL be one.
It will never end.
My hope is to somehow "force" the timid alt monkeys and score boiz to actually fight.
They are the ones who are truely ruining the game.
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There are ALOT of guys that never flew a noe in their lives that don't want a challenge.
I wonder what the new red headed step child will be in this game?
There WILL be one.
It will never end.
My hope is to somehow "force" the timid alt monkeys and score boiz to actually fight.
They are the ones who are truely ruining the game.
Are you saying NOEs promote fights?
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OK Boner, tell us why alt monkeys and score boiz ruin the game? And how has the new radar changes affected your quality of game play a negative way?
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Geez.. :rolleyes: with a lot of folks here, there's this :
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/80/On-Off_Switch.jpg)
...and no this:
(http://www.charlesandhudson.com/archives/dimmer-light-switch.jpg)
Seemingly nobody gets it. :huh
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Are you saying NOEs promote fights?
It feels like the DA lake everywhere. Now its good for someone who is a decent pilot but for those who are newbs its rough. I have never ran into so many baby seals before these changes.
The changes promote total destruction of the base just get to 30k and destroy all hangers. This is the way it is going to be done now still no fight unless you want to climb up to chalenge range.
As baldeagle alluded to the fact noes promoted fights, in a way. Maybe not the people actually doing noes but for the defense afterward. People up now and are seen coming off the runway its no
different than the DA. Some people play this game for different reasons than just straight furball/1v1. I have always said noes were the first place I "trained" I learned a lot from them (as a brand new flight sim player). I hate to see the changes it was not necessary.
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In the MA why have rules?
No planes should be perked.
Set the radar to the way it was in WW2
This is a game we play, there are many arenas. Where you can fight the way you would like to.
The MA is a fantasy arena, why limit it?
If you want one on one, there is an arena.
If you want historical there is an arena.
There appears to be an arena for everyone, WTG HTC.
If this was implemented maybe, just maybe the other arenas would be populated.
My 2 cents
blutik
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The last thing in the world the NOE crowd wants is a fight. I can't count the times I've seen a NOE mission busted and everyone killed that they just gave up. No coming back with alt, or bombers or fighters...just nothing. 15 mintues later they'd pop up at another undefended base clean on the other side of the map!
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The last thing in the world the NOE crowd wants is a fight. I can't count the times I've seen a NOE mission busted and everyone killed that they just gave up. No coming back with alt, or bombers or fighters...just nothing. 15 mintues later they'd pop up at another undefended base clean on the other side of the map!
exactly
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In the MA why have rules?
No planes should be perked.
Set the radar to the way it was in WW2
This is a game we play, there are many arenas. Where you can fight the way you would like to.
The MA is a fantasy arena, why limit it?
If you want one on one, there is an arena.
If you want historical there is an arena.
There appears to be an arena for everyone, WTG HTC.
If this was implemented maybe, just maybe the other arenas would be populated.
My 2 cents
blutik
SIGH. If that were the case Mr.BluTic the MA would be nothing but 262s, 163s and Tempests. The question about the radar has been answered 2 pages ago.
P.S. fix your avatar....it's fubar
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The last thing in the world the NOE crowd wants is a fight. I can't count the times I've seen a NOE mission busted and everyone killed that they just gave up. No coming back with alt, or bombers or fighters...just nothing. 15 mintues later they'd pop up at another undefended base clean on the other side of the map!
What is failed to be pointed out is how that effects you or your gameplay. If you truly dont care about base taking then 15 guys taking a base on the other side of the map should make no difference to you.
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SIGH. If that were the case Mr.BluTic the MA would be nothing but 262s, 163s and Tempests. The question about the radar has been answered 2 pages ago.
Is that not the way it is now?
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The last thing in the world the NOE crowd wants is a fight. I can't count the times I've seen a NOE mission busted and everyone killed that they just gave up. No coming back with alt, or bombers or fighters...just nothing. 15 mintues later they'd pop up at another undefended base clean on the other side of the map!
In a sense you ARE correct...an NOE mission desires a capture. The short time it takes a town to rebuild coupled with the fact that the "enemy" will likely already have fast goon hunters hunting towards likely launch bases MAKES actually fighting over taking a base AND ALSO capturing it unlikely if the original NOE was thwarted. When I break up an NOE and they don't come back I watch the map and decide what base is likely a future target and watch for signs of an NOE coming in. Then I will call it out and roll out for the next fun fight that ensures quite a few kills and the satisfaction of thwarting them again.
IMHO if HTC lengthened the amount of time a town is down you would see more reattempts to capture a field after a failed NOE...
The best way to start a fight...which i assume you are craving....is to roll above dar with a few buds and start attacking a field. Lurking with alt above a field that has been NOE's recently would never be a recipe for ensuring a fight?I'm not sure why this is a hard concept to grasp except it DOES require a little initiative and friends who will fly with you :devil
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What is failed to be pointed out is how that effects you or your gameplay. If you truly dont care about base taking then 15 guys taking a base on the other side of the map should make no difference to you.
When most of the people on the country fighting your side are all at one spot then disappear after 15 minutes.....it does effect your gameplay...no fight
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But I do play the base taking thing Kilo. I play all aspects of the game. I'm just now constantly doing the same thing. Some months I try to score good, other tours I just dogfight or whatever. I get too easily burned out if I stick strictly to one thing. That is the genius of this game for me. I don't have to be stuck in one category.
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If some of you anti-radar change whiners would put as much effort in fighting in game as you do on these boards about the changes, game play would dramatically improve.
ack-ack
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If some of you anti-radar change whiners would put as much effort in fighting in game as you do on these boards about the changes, game play would dramatically improve.
ack-ack
Oh no you didn't.....get your own material :D
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No BluTic, it's not that way now. Not even close.
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What I am trying to say is that in the MA we have 109s fighting 190s, F4u fighting f6f, Spitfires fighting Spitfires and so on; and so on. Should we have rules of engagement?
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What I am trying to say is that in the MA we have 109s fighting 190s, F4u fighting f6f, Spitfires fighting Spitfires and so on; and so on. Should we have rules of engagement?
If it is detrimental/unbalancing to game play... yes.
That is why we have perked AC.
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What I am trying to say is that in the MA we have 109s fighting 190s, F4u fighting f6f, Spitfires fighting Spitfires and so on; and so on. Should we have rules of engagement?
That has been a pet peeve of mine for a long time. That's why I so looked forward to CT coming out. But we have a AvA arena for that kind of fight. My problem with the AvA is the limited plane set. But I understand why it has to be limited, as most folks would prefer a Allied bird to a Axis one. The dedicated Allied pilots probably outnumber the Axis guys 2 to 1.
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I understand.
But if nothing was perked in the Main Arenas would that not increase the numbers in the other arenas?
Early War and Mid War?
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LOL I have been playing this game for nine years and have become a copper member!
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I understand.
But if nothing was perked in the Main Arenas would that not increase the numbers in the other arenas?
Early War and Mid War?
Yes, numbers could go up there a bit, but overall subscriber numbers would probably plummet ;)
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LOL I have (..) have become a copper member!
WTG.. only few levels more, and your opinion will start to count!!! :aok
j/k of course :D :bolt:
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Maybe in 20 years or so.
But I don't visit the boards often.
I prefer playing the game, when I can.
Just my opinion.
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In a sense you ARE correct...an NOE mission desires a capture. The short time it takes a town to rebuild coupled with the fact that the "enemy" will likely already have fast goon hunters hunting towards likely launch bases MAKES actually fighting over taking a base AND ALSO capturing it unlikely if the original NOE was thwarted. When I break up an NOE and they don't come back I watch the map and decide what base is likely a future target and watch for signs of an NOE coming in. Then I will call it out and roll out for the next fun fight that ensures quite a few kills and the satisfaction of thwarting them again.
IMHO if HTC lengthened the amount of time a town is down you would see more reattempts to capture a field after a failed NOE...
The best way to start a fight...which i assume you are craving....is to roll above dar with a few buds and start attacking a field. Lurking with alt above a field that has been NOE's recently would never be a recipe for ensuring a fight?I'm not sure why this is a hard concept to grasp except it DOES require a little initiative and friends who will fly with you :devil
:aok
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The biggest problem with the NOE is it isn't a fight by any stretch of the imagination (HiTech also said this in his post of things to consider about these changes). NOEs are a bunch of people coming in and ignoring any fight, shoot buildings. Even should they fail and return it has nothing to do with fighting their way through. All they are worried about is getting that last little push to grab the base.
There is no fun in clubbing baby seals. I want someone to fight back. Last night I helped take two bases, first one I snuck in with troops in an M3 while the defenders were popping LVTs trying to get on shore. I think there was 10 of us there. Second one was 3 of us at first, but once the CV between our base and theirs was sunk a couple more joined us. No NOE, strait head ups and it was fun.
Get use to it, I think its here to stay. The numbers may change a bit, but not much. Time to learn a few new skills and up the competition.
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The biggest problem with the NOE is it isn't a fight by any stretch of the imagination (HiTech also said this in his post of things to consider about these changes). NOEs are a bunch of people coming in and ignoring any fight, shoot buildings. Even should they fail and return it has nothing to do with fighting their way through. All they are worried about is getting that last little push to grab the base.
There is no fun in clubbing baby seals. I want someone to fight back. Last night I helped take two bases, first one I snuck in with troops in an M3 while the defenders were popping LVTs trying to get on shore. I think there was 10 of us there. Second one was 3 of us at first, but once the CV between our base and theirs was sunk a couple more joined us. No NOE, strait head ups and it was fun.
Get use to it, I think its here to stay. The numbers may change a bit, but not much. Time to learn a few new skills and up the competition.
what do you tell the people who had their fun taking bases noe.
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Fugitive,
"If so, then ? This isn't a complete sentence. What are you trying to say here?"
why not? This was referred to other ppl opinions (Tralfaz, Delirium).
if so (as you say), then (where is the problem)?
And for the rest you understood.
So, not so much problem after all.
But, as i posted well before, it's quite obviously that HTC has the last word.
It's also true that HTC take care about our ideas as it was when HTC aske to poll about WWI possibility.
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Will I'd tell them to read what HiTech posted about the change.
A few simple thoughts.
1. Best way to win a war is to hit the enemy where they ain't.
2. Best way to have fun in a combat orientated game is to have combat.
3. Attacking undefended targets is not combat even though it is the best strategy to win.
4. This is a game and not work or war. Expecting some one to be on defense with no idea if a strike is coming is not a legitimate expectation. Hence, you should defend your field is not a legitimate argument if it requires some one to do a very boring act with no guaranty of combat.
5. Defense now has more warning on a strike and time to organize a defense, so now we are more likely to have an offense and defense playing against each other instead of 2 offenses playing by themselves.
Hence these changes have nothing to do with fur-ball vs tool shedding. But simply about putting offense and defense on a more = level.
HiTech
Continually running NOE attacks to undefended fields, created an imbalance in game-play that HTC felt needed to be addressed. They did this to make their product better for everyone (or as many as possible) not one particular group or style of player.
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odds days, old settings !
Could be interesting?!?
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I don't think you understand lulu.
No matter how many words you throw on the page, it will change nothing.
Hitech made a change, now he will sit back, and wait for the complaining and whining to stop, and watch the effects of that change. He is not going to react quickly, he is not going to change it back because "some" of his customers did not like the effect. He will take the long view, we are talking months here not weeks.
He will be patient and watch. If the change accomplishes what he was after, then it will stay.
If it falls short, he may make changes, "tweaks" to the changes, OR he may try something else as a complimenting factor.
We have basically 3 choices to make any time HT makes a sweeping change like this.
A: learn to deal with the new settings, up our game and accept it. (learn a different way to do same thing)
B: Complain or whine a lot, and be frustrated when nothing changes again. (Stuck doing it the old way)
C: Vote with your feet, if your really that unhappy, you can always stop paying to play.
The ultimate vote, it will be noticed, but the odds of it changing anything are slim.
And even if it does ultimately change things, you won't be here to see it happen.
Lulu after watching your posts for the last week I do have one further thing to say sir.
I am sorry, I miss judged you. English is obviously not your first language, and you have some very real issues with building sentence's in it. That made it seem like you had more of a "chip" on your shoulder, or "attitude" than may actually be the case. My bad.
Please, please, when you post, take the time to connect your words into an understandable sentence.
Otherwise no one is going to take you seriously, and very few will even attempt to read your words.
Last, your post directed at Delirium was perilously close to what I would consider an attack on an Aces High Trainer. Just for your information, we are all players just like you are. We "give" our time to make AH a better place for everyone. We are not paid. And Hitech does not listen to us any more or less than he listens to any other customer. This is a fact, if you don't believe me, ask others.
Disrespect or attack an Aces High trainer again, and the gloves come off, no more mr nice guy.
Yes I am a grumpy ol fart, and yes I can be a real SOB to live with, ask my wife. :)
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I am sorry, I miss judged you. English is obviously not your first language, and you have some very real issues with building sentence's in it. That made it seem like you had more of a "chip" on your shoulder, or "attitude" than may actually be the case. My bad.
Please, please, when you post, take the time to connect your words into an understandable sentence.
What kind of sentence is "My bad." ? :neener:
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Hmm interesting Gosth. You are threatening someone with violence, because of their lack of understanding, of the English language? Easy for you to say "take the time to connect your words into an understandable sentence". You apparently only speak English. I speak a few languages and English is by far one of the most difficult to master.
I am sure that Lulu's inadvertent "disrespect" was entirely due to a language barrier. Even though you allude to his lack of command of the English language. You still, intentionally made a threat to his well being.
This kind of threat by an "Aces High Trainer", is of the lowest kind of behavior. Time and time again, every time anyone uses language other than English in the game. They are immediately verbally attacked and bullied. Apparently this kind of behavior is something you teach your students. Your threat clearly states your intentions, when it comes to someone that does not speak English.
If attacking people verbally, and threatening violence, is standard practice, and encouraged by Aces High - HiTechCreations. Then is should be clearly stated on the home page of the website, that only English speaking customers are wanted. It should also state that anyone using any language other than English, or anyone that uses English improperly. Will be immediately verbally attacked, and will also be threatened, with bodily harm.
Your position as a "Aces High Trainer" apparently gives you the authority and or right to threaten people with bodily harm. Well mister, if you have the cajones. I will send you the money for a bus ticket. You can come over to my house at your convenience, and I will take the gloves off with you. That is not a threat. That is a challenge, I am sure you will not take up. Because you are obviously just a bully who is accustomed to beating up on smaller people than your self.
Lulu's is at a distinct disadvantage concerning the use of the English language. So why do you not take on someone who can defend them-self. I will be happy to overnight a bus ticket as soon as you accept my challenge.
Vulgar
Lulu after watching your posts for the last week I do have one further thing to say sir.
I am sorry, I miss judged you. English is obviously not your first language, and you have some very real issues with building sentence's in it. That made it seem like you had more of a "chip" on your shoulder, or "attitude" than may actually be the case. My bad.
Please, please, when you post, take the time to connect your words into an understandable sentence.
Otherwise no one is going to take you seriously, and very few will even attempt to read your words.
Last, your post directed at Delirium was perilously close to what I would consider an attack on an Aces High Trainer. Just for your information, we are all players just like you are. We "give" our time to make AH a better place for everyone. We are not paid. And Hitech does not listen to us any more or less than he listens to any other customer. This is a fact, if you don't believe me, ask others.
Disrespect or attack an Aces High trainer again, and the gloves come off, no more mr nice guy.
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Hmm interesting Gosth. You are threatening someone with violence,
Where did you read THAT? :confused:
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Where did you read THAT? :confused:
I don't think you understand lulu.
No matter how many words you throw on the page, it will change nothing.
Hitech made a change, now he will sit back, and wait for the complaining and whining to stop, and watch the effects of that change. He is not going to react quickly, he is not going to change it back because "some" of his customers did not like the effect. He will take the long view, we are talking months here not weeks.
He will be patient and watch. If the change accomplishes what he was after, then it will stay.
If it falls short, he may make changes, "tweaks" to the changes, OR he may try something else as a complimenting factor.
We have basically 3 choices to make any time HT makes a sweeping change like this.
A: learn to deal with the new settings, up our game and accept it. (learn a different way to do same thing)
B: Complain or whine a lot, and be frustrated when nothing changes again. (Stuck doing it the old way)
C: Vote with your feet, if your really that unhappy, you can always stop paying to play.
The ultimate vote, it will be noticed, but the odds of it changing anything are slim.
And even if it does ultimately change things, you won't be here to see it happen.
Lulu after watching your posts for the last week I do have one further thing to say sir.
I am sorry, I miss judged you. English is obviously not your first language, and you have some very real issues with building sentence's in it. That made it seem like you had more of a "chip" on your shoulder, or "attitude" than may actually be the case. My bad.
Please, please, when you post, take the time to connect your words into an understandable sentence.
Otherwise no one is going to take you seriously, and very few will even attempt to read your words.
Last, your post directed at Delirium was perilously close to what I would consider an attack on an Aces High Trainer. Just for your information, we are all players just like you are. We "give" our time to make AH a better place for everyone. We are not paid. And Hitech does not listen to us any more or less than he listens to any other customer. This is a fact, if you don't believe me, ask others.
Disrespect or attack an Aces High trainer again, and the gloves come off, no more mr nice guy.
Yes I am a grumpy ol fart, and yes I can be a real SOB to live with, ask my wife. :)
I believe from the sentence marked in red.
I understand what Ghosth is saying, but when English is not your first language, some text can be interpreted differently, as you should know.
Fred
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Hmm interesting Gosth. You are threatening someone with violence, because of their lack of understanding, of the English language? Easy for you to say "take the time to connect your words into an understandable sentence". You apparently only speak English. I speak a few languages and English is by far one of the most difficult to master.
Oh yea, sounds exactly like ghost, always holdin a knife to someones throat. I hear he burns puppies after he's done clubbing seal pups.
ghost is not your typical AH community member. He is actually a friendly guy, and contributes positively to said community. I have a hard time believing this was a threat. More of a warning that such attacks would warrant fierce retaliations from others.
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O come on :rolleyes: The statement "the gloves come off", does not mean he start boxing ears literally. It's a figure of speech. Don't blow things out of proportion.
Vulgar, I'm in need of a good vacation. Where do you live? I thought maybe you could send me a bus ticket, we'd go a few rounds out in your back yard, :furious then throw back several foofoo drinks while hot chicks fan us while we lay in hammocks by the beach. :cheers: This offer only applys if you live somewhere nice. Preferably by the ocean. If you live in the midwest, well then forget it. Oh and I won't go to the Gulf now either. :bolt:
I'll just pretend I'm a MMA fighter going to a big match. It shouldn't be too much of a stretch, as I pretend I'm a fighter pilot now as it is. :joystick:
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Which part of this was not clear? (to whining ---> to whine)
"Tralfaz, Delirium,
If so, then ?
Call HTC to 'whining' (i not like this term but some of you seems to like it very much) pls change the rules?
Or BETTER use this forum to find a solution?"
:salute
I know your english isn't good LuLu, but you lost me after 'Tral & Del' !
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I don't think you understand lulu.
No matter how many words you throw on the page, it will change nothing.
Hitech made a change, now he will sit back, and wait for the complaining and whining to stop, and watch the effects of that change. He is not going to react quickly, he is not going to change it back because "some" of his customers did not like the effect. He will take the long view, we are talking months here not weeks.
He will be patient and watch. If the change accomplishes what he was after, then it will stay.
If it falls short, he may make changes, "tweaks" to the changes, OR he may try something else as a complimenting factor.
We have basically 3 choices to make any time HT makes a sweeping change like this.
A: learn to deal with the new settings, up our game and accept it. (learn a different way to do same thing)
B: Complain or whine a lot, and be frustrated when nothing changes again. (Stuck doing it the old way)
C: Vote with your feet, if your really that unhappy, you can always stop paying to play.
The ultimate vote, it will be noticed, but the odds of it changing anything are slim.
And even if it does ultimately change things, you won't be here to see it happen.
Lulu after watching your posts for the last week I do have one further thing to say sir.
I am sorry, I miss judged you. English is obviously not your first language, and you have some very real issues with building sentence's in it. That made it seem like you had more of a "chip" on your shoulder, or "attitude" than may actually be the case. My bad.
Please, please, when you post, take the time to connect your words into an understandable sentence.
Otherwise no one is going to take you seriously, and very few will even attempt to read your words.
Last, your post directed at Delirium was perilously close to what I would consider an attack on an Aces High Trainer. Just for your information, we are all players just like you are. We "give" our time to make AH a better place for everyone. We are not paid. And Hitech does not listen to us any more or less than he listens to any other customer. This is a fact, if you don't believe me, ask others.
Disrespect or attack an Aces High trainer again, and the gloves come off, no more mr nice guy.
Yes I am a grumpy ol fart, and yes I can be a real SOB to live with, ask my wife. :)
:rofl Internet strongman. What are you going to do really? When these figurative gloves come off what happens you write another seething comment on the board. OH NO. Its a general discussion board thats whats happening a discussion.
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Back to the topic--- 65 feet. Is that, 65 feet above sea level, or 65 feet above the terrain you're currently overflying? If it's the latter, staying under dar should be quite fun and challenging, I would think. Formation bombers would be out of the question tho.
I remember years back, when folks would make a mission, it wasn't 18 guys taking off, flying 25 miles in a straight line and blasting the crap out of a town. They had tracks, waypoints, expected altitudes at each waypoint....etc, Your precious noe missions can still be run overland, but the mission planner has to look at the terrain (to that end, would be nice if the maps had more topographical features) and plan the route accordingly, so as to not fly over mountain tops, sheer cliffs, etc
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Excellent post Ghosth.
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Whoa, put away the baseball bats everyone...
I have no problem with Lulu, or most people within AH. I had apologized to Lulu earlier for reading his post and taking it to be offensive in nature, I realized later this was due to a language barrier. No one has to get their dander up, nor do we have to do anything but discuss this politely.
That said (and it still amazes me), I am starting to agree with some of the radar whines. Imho, HTC should raise the minimum altitude to just under 100 feet but disable auto level below 150 feet.
I may not agree with some of the game-play within AH, but it is pretty obvious some guys like taking bases and killing buildings. Frankly, I'd rather castrate myself with a low voltage electric hedge trimmer than take bases, but to each their own.
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I get too easily burned out if I stick strictly to one thing. That is the genius of this game for me. I don't have to be stuck in one category.
Excellent point. Eventually, NOE guys get bored and try something else.
A brief visit to the OP: How tall are tress, barns, windmills, etc? What is a reference to 65’ AGL? When over land, the altimeter is still reading ASL, and therefore useless.
There is no fun in clubbing baby seals.
They are not baby seals. Maybe two weekers who are giving it a try. Maybe guys with old PCs or bad internet connections. Maybe kids seeking something past the mass market game deck world.
Demeaning people as “baby seals” is arrogant. One shouldn’t mistake arrogance for confidence or competence.
Disrespect or attack an Aces High trainer again, and the gloves come off, no more mr nice guy.
AH Trainers are to be given deference in the Training Arena. In the General Discussion board, their opinions are as open to criticism as any others.
That said (and it still amazes me), I am starting to agree with some of the radar whines. Imho, HTC should raise the minimum altitude to just under 100 feet but disable auto level below 150 feet.
I may not agree with some of the game-play within AH, but it is pretty obvious some guys like taking bases and killing buildings. Frankly, I'd rather castrate myself with a low voltage electric hedge trimmer than take bases, but to each their own.
:salute A very reasonable (and disturbingly graphic) post.
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You got it right BMWGS! Things do get interpreted differently. Simple common everyday sayings are not easily interpreted into other languages, nor properly understood when interpreted. When ever I am using different languages, I have to remember to not offend, since what is offensive in one language, is not offensive but funny in another. I am proficient at being Vulgar in more than one language. I have been slapped by beautiful women from numerous Latin American countries more than once! Do try to be understanding with people who do not speak English as their first language. Americans are generally viewed as ignorant and arrogant all over the world, feeding fuel to that flame does no one any good. Remember the AH office is not to far from the border, they might get a NOE attack!
Uptown - I live in San Carlos Sonora Mexico - Yes it is on the beach! I am in Tucson Az right now, when I play AH I am in the states. Health and the stupid US Gov. policy has caused me to return for awhile, no I am not a convict! US policy killed off my and everyone else's business that depends on trade. When I am in San Carlos I do not play AH. To many fun things to do that are legal, unlike in the US. Yes having fun is not a punishable offense!
OK back to the thread!
65 feet is to low, even for experienced players it is difficult to not pop up over 65 feet.
Dar rings need to be decreased. I can fly a heavy p38 or anything else for that matter nearly all the way to a base at any altitude and avoid any interception. Because MY bases dar ring nearly reaches or reaches the base I want to attack. So I can see where the enemy is and avoid them by going around or over or under, and hit their base with no interference. The larger dar ring is actually helping me avoid interception! Also helps me return to base and land those kills without a sweat. NO skill what so ever, auto pilot until a dot shows up, make slight avoidance adjustment and back on auto. NO FEAR of getting caught with your pants down!
Come on, if we all wanted it that way, we would all be in the DA or WW1 arena. The ww1 arena is so popular that 80% of the time no one is in there. Most I have seen in the past 2 weeks was 11. Yea lets just make all the arenas with full dar, and 3 bases, we do not need all those other bases and strats. Lets completely eliminate what few choices we have left. We have practically no reason to hit strats any more, after people crying I do not like it when there is only 25% fuel at such and such base, or there is no dar bar or dar at all, help me mommy i'm afraid of the dark, I can't find my self. What ever happened to the strategic side of things? Oh I suppose a more involved thought process of achieving a player induced balance by utilizing strategic planing and implementation is to much for the average player to comprehend.
Like has been stated by some. Changes will have to be dealt with and you will have to change the way you play. Why is the change going to the side of doing less? War is all about catching the other guy with his pants down. Staying alive is about not getting caught with your pants down. Why people say bases getting rolled is bad and there are no fights does not make sense. When bases get rolled, you have less bases, which forces you to consolidate your forces, since your choice of bases is limited. This causes the fighting to be more condensed. OH yea, but then there are to many enemies. But I though you guys said there was no fighting????
It sounds to me like a lot of people only want other people to play the way they want them to play, rather than dealing with the diversity of attempting to pin the other guy down. They want someone to hold them so they can hit them! The reason they want total dar coverage and no sneaky NOE!
A good example of how things seem to go from what is posted in the forums can be verified by what has happened with the ww1 arena. Correct me if I am wrong, I am away for some extended times. But I recall a vote for a ww1 arena or a korea arena, or was it something else? But anyways the ww1 arena won. Where are all these people that voted for a ww1 arena? The most I have seen in there at one time has been 11. Looks to me like the same thing is happening in this case about the dar.
No matter what is decided upon and implemented, someone is going to dislike it. NO matter what, the masses will never come to an agreement about how the arena's should be set up. The best solution is setup multiple arenas and let the numbers decide. Currently there is 2 identical main arenas. Why not set up one with total strat and holes in the dar, and one with total dar coverage and no strat. Let the numbers decide, these arguments are going no where, the recent ww1 addition has proven that.
I personally would like to see an arena with more emphasis on strats and less on dar. I prefer doing jabo, and once in awhile furballing, not much into the big bombers, though a great integral part of it all. I miss the map wins/loses/changes, they used to be fairly often, now a map lasts till titanic Tuesday. Perhaps cutting back the earned perk points for downed aircraft substantially and giving lots of perks for wining a map. Would force players to work together to get those perks. Currently the perk structure supports furballing and penalizes for base taking. Which brings up the question, why are so many people really against base taking, and why do so many want to take bases, if there are no perks for it?
Vulgar
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OK back to the thread!
65 feet is to low, even for experienced players it is difficult to not pop up over 65 feet.
Dar rings need to be decreased. I can fly a heavy p38 or anything else for that matter nearly all the way to a base at any altitude and avoid any interception. Because MY bases dar ring nearly reaches or reaches the base I want to attack. So I can see where the enemy is and avoid them by going around or over or under, and hit their base with no interference. The larger dar ring is actually helping me avoid interception! Also helps me return to base and land those kills without a sweat. NO skill what so ever, auto pilot until a dot shows up, make slight avoidance adjustment and back on auto. NO FEAR of getting caught with your pants down!
Come on, if we all wanted it that way, we would all be in the DA or WW1 arena. The ww1 arena is so popular that 80% of the time no one is in there. Most I have seen in the past 2 weeks was 11. Yea lets just make all the arenas with full dar, and 3 bases, we do not need all those other bases and strats. Lets completely eliminate what few choices we have left. We have practically no reason to hit strats any more, after people crying I do not like it when there is only 25% fuel at such and such base, or there is no dar bar or dar at all, help me mommy i'm afraid of the dark, I can't find my self. What ever happened to the strategic side of things? Oh I suppose a more involved thought process of achieving a player induced balance by utilizing strategic planing and implementation is to much for the average player to comprehend.
Like has been stated by some. Changes will have to be dealt with and you will have to change the way you play. Why is the change going to the side of doing less? War is all about catching the other guy with his pants down. Staying alive is about not getting caught with your pants down. Why people say bases getting rolled is bad and there are no fights does not make sense. When bases get rolled, you have less bases, which forces you to consolidate your forces, since your choice of bases is limited. This causes the fighting to be more condensed. OH yea, but then there are to many enemies. But I though you guys said there was no fighting????
It sounds to me like a lot of people only want other people to play the way they want them to play, rather than dealing with the diversity of attempting to pin the other guy down. They want someone to hold them so they can hit them! The reason they want total dar coverage and no sneaky NOE!
A good example of how things seem to go from what is posted in the forums can be verified by what has happened with the ww1 arena. Correct me if I am wrong, I am away for some extended times. But I recall a vote for a ww1 arena or a korea arena, or was it something else? But anyways the ww1 arena won. Where are all these people that voted for a ww1 arena? The most I have seen in there at one time has been 11. Looks to me like the same thing is happening in this case about the dar.
No matter what is decided upon and implemented, someone is going to dislike it. NO matter what, the masses will never come to an agreement about how the arena's should be set up. The best solution is setup multiple arenas and let the numbers decide. Currently there is 2 identical main arenas. Why not set up one with total strat and holes in the dar, and one with total dar coverage and no strat. Let the numbers decide, these arguments are going no where, the recent ww1 addition has proven that.
I personally would like to see an arena with more emphasis on strats and less on dar. I prefer doing jabo, and once in awhile furballing, not much into the big bombers, though a great integral part of it all. I miss the map wins/loses/changes, they used to be fairly often, now a map lasts till titanic Tuesday. Perhaps cutting back the earned perk points for downed aircraft substantially and giving lots of perks for wining a map. Would force players to work together to get those perks. Currently the perk structure supports furballing and penalizes for base taking. Which brings up the question, why are so many people really against base taking, and why do so many want to take bases, if there are no perks for it?
Vulgar
:aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok The best post yet
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Hmm interesting Gosth. You are threatening someone with violence, because of their lack of understanding, of the English language? Easy for you to say "take the time to connect your words into an understandable sentence". You apparently only speak English. I speak a few languages and English is by far one of the most difficult to master.
I am sure that Lulu's inadvertent "disrespect" was entirely due to a language barrier. Even though you allude to his lack of command of the English language. You still, intentionally made a threat to his well being.
This kind of threat by an "Aces High Trainer", is of the lowest kind of behavior. Time and time again, every time anyone uses language other than English in the game. They are immediately verbally attacked and bullied. Apparently this kind of behavior is something you teach your students. Your threat clearly states your intentions, when it comes to someone that does not speak English.
If attacking people verbally, and threatening violence, is standard practice, and encouraged by Aces High - HiTechCreations. Then is should be clearly stated on the home page of the website, that only English speaking customers are wanted. It should also state that anyone using any language other than English, or anyone that uses English improperly. Will be immediately verbally attacked, and will also be threatened, with bodily harm.
Your position as a "Aces High Trainer" apparently gives you the authority and or right to threaten people with bodily harm. Well mister, if you have the cajones. I will send you the money for a bus ticket. You can come over to my house at your convenience, and I will take the gloves off with you. That is not a threat. That is a challenge, I am sure you will not take up. Because you are obviously just a bully who is accustomed to beating up on smaller people than your self.
Lulu's is at a distinct disadvantage concerning the use of the English language. So why do you not take on someone who can defend them-self. I will be happy to overnight a bus ticket as soon as you accept my challenge.
Vulgar
Are you serious? Violence? Where did you read that? The "gloves come off" means no more nice guy. Geez . Work on your comprehension.
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well said vulgar!
The dilemma HTC has (and it is not new) is the following:
1. Many subscribers like to "accomplish" certain goals when they play a game....in this case taking a base in a manner that ensures success...
2. HTC and imho a very vocal minority deplore this type of gameplay and would prefer that most subscribers engage in aerial combat...with basetaking as a backdrop
3. While most of the subscribers who enjoy base-taking as a FOCUS of their fun experience could care less if they ever encounter the "vocal minority"...the "vocal minority" are VERY preoccupied with how the others play the game and desire contact with them...monitor their behaviors and complain frequently about their practices (as evidenced in this thread many are AH trainers and folks who have HTC's ear). Specifically NOE raids. Of interest is that there are never strong complaints about other forms of gameplay that "avoid combat" such as strat bombing...high alt buff missions...camping spawn points....dropping hangers at vh bases...sneaking a cv into range and dropping town then rolling lvts to take a base..."picking" in jets... etc etc
You may ask why I refer to some as "the vocal minority" and i respond with the FACT that every attempt by HTC to appease the "aerial combat" crew has failed to gain any numerical support (ww1, AvA, EW, MW and to an extent the DA) You would think that maps where there is a FiterTown would be swarming with guys furballing...but the fact is only a handful are there....most of the peeps in a MA are involved in base v base action. Large squads are in general "base taking" squads etc. The ignored point here is that the REASON for making such abrupt changes is because SUCH A LARGE number of folks like basetaking via NOEs. If they didnt then they could never get the "horde" numbers in missions to run them. So if such a large number of subscribers ENJOY this why would you purposefully upset them by changing the "rules"??? That is what is beyond me...the people you are upsetting here are unlikely to suddenly "see the light" and become furballers...they have that option now and CHOOSE not to do so.
This IS HTC's world and I am thankful to have a game that i still enjoy..i hope this continues to be the case :salute
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well said vulgar!
The dilemma HTC has (and it is not new) is the following:
1. Many subscribers like to "accomplish" certain goals when they play a game....in this case taking a base in a manner that ensures success...
2. HTC and imho a very vocal minority deplore this type of gameplay and would prefer that most subscribers engage in aerial combat...with basetaking as a backdrop
3. While most of the subscribers who enjoy base-taking as a FOCUS of their fun experience could care less if they ever encounter the "vocal minority"...the "vocal minority" are VERY preoccupied with how the others play the game and desire contact with them...monitor their behaviors and complain frequently about their practices (as evidenced in this thread many are AH trainers and folks who have HTC's ear). Specifically NOE raids. Of interest is that there are never strong complaints about other forms of gameplay that "avoid combat" such as strat bombing...high alt buff missions...camping spawn points....dropping hangers at vh bases...sneaking a cv into range and dropping town then rolling lvts to take a base..."picking" in jets... etc etc
You may ask why I refer to some as "the vocal minority" and i respond with the FACT that every attempt by HTC to appease the "aerial combat" crew has failed to gain any numerical support (ww1, AvA, EW, MW and to an extent the DA) You would think that maps where there is a FiterTown would be swarming with guys furballing...but the fact is only a handful are there....most of the peeps in a MA are involved in base v base action. Large squads are in general "base taking" squads etc. The ignored point here is that the REASON for making such abrupt changes is because SUCH A LARGE number of folks like basetaking via NOEs. If they didnt then they could never get the "horde" numbers in missions to run them. So if such a large number of subscribers ENJOY this why would you purposefully upset them by changing the "rules"??? That is what is beyond me...the people you are upsetting here are unlikely to suddenly "see the light" and become furballers...they have that option now and CHOOSE not to do so.
Tis IS HTC's world and I am thankfulto have a game that i still enjoy..i hope this continues to be the case :salute
Best Post Yet!!! :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok
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Seriously, HTC say they try to do everything they can to make the game as realistic as the situations were from 1939- 1945, and now have CHANGED the historical use of radar from WWII and turn it into some hyper-accurate, down to a 5 story building perfect electronic system that DID NOT EXIST IN WWII!
ROX
We have never stated anything of the sort.
We simply try to simulate the planes and vehicles accurately , we never try to duplicate WWII.
HiTEch
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can someone please identify which of Lulu's posts were so disrespectful to delirium that Ghosth's "gloves will come off" statement made any sense at all??? I agree that Ghosth was obviously not threatening physical violence but it IS disturbing to read a statement suggesting that disagreeing with or engaging in dialog with an AH trainer would result in some form of discipline???
Why would this be the case? If it is so, then i will go out of my way to avoid engaging in polite debate with any AH staff :salute
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can someone please identify which of Lulu's posts were so disrespectful to delirium that Ghosth's "gloves will come off" statement made any sense at all??? I agree that Ghosth was obviously not threatening physical violence but it IS disturbing to read a statement suggesting that disagreeing with or engaging in dialog with an AH trainer would result in some form of discipline???
Why would this be the case? If it is so, then i will go out of my way to avoid engaging in polite debate with any AH staff :salute
Where did you see dicipline? I never saw or assumed that was implied.
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Bear76 - That is your comprehension of "off come the gloves". To me and possibly to others. That means I am going to throw down the gloves, like in hockey, and start a fight with you.
The worst part of it is, the statement clearly states that some kind of action will be taken. While the fault is not Lulu's. The fault lies with Gosth. Because he is an experienced AH trainer. His statement is clearly a threat, it states action will be taken. Lulu is simply someone attempting to converse with someone in their language. You know like you did at the age of 1 or 2. I suppose your parents threatened you when you said "mamma or dadda" instead of "mommy or daddy", they probably threw off the gloves and smacked you around to.
"Disrespect or attack an Aces High trainer again, and the gloves come off, no more mr nice guy" <--- clearly states reprisal if Lulu says anything Gosth does not like. As I have already stated. Lulu undoubtedly used verbiage that he does not clearly understand. The smarter man (gosth?) will realize that and instead of threaten, he will coach, or what is another word for that, "train", a person in the proper use of the language they have a better understanding of.
That is the problem with ignorant and arrogant Americans. They only want to see things in their own light, and attack anyone who dares to do or say anything differently. I give Lulu cudos for having the courage to attempt to converse with people of another country with different customs, and language.
When I was nine years old, my father moved to Mexico from Wisconsin. I was the only "Gringo" (young boy) in the school and the whole town. I have found other people from all over the world to be much more accommodating and understanding than the UGLY Americans. Don't get me wrong, I am a disabled US veteran. But I have also lived in Latin America for a large portion of my life. I see the Ugly American daily, and it gets old. Currently American attitude is causing more problems than it is solving, you might want to start learning another language, or change your attitude, the US is out numbered by about 6 billion people. Ever hear of a NOE HORDE????
Vulgar
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Bear76 - That is your comprehension of "off come the gloves". To me and possibly to others. That means I am going to throw down the gloves, like in hockey, and start a fight with you.
The worst part of it is, the statement clearly states that some kind of action will be taken. While the fault is not Lulu's. The fault lies with Gosth. Because he is an experienced AH trainer. His statement is clearly a threat, it states action will be taken. Lulu is simply someone attempting to converse with someone in their language. You know like you did at the age of 1 or 2. I suppose your parents threatened you when you said "mamma or dadda" instead of "mommy or daddy", they probably threw off the gloves and smacked you around to.
"Disrespect or attack an Aces High trainer again, and the gloves come off, no more mr nice guy" <--- clearly states reprisal if Lulu says anything Gosth does not like. As I have already stated. Lulu undoubtedly used verbiage that he does not clearly understand. The smarter man (gosth?) will realize that and instead of threaten, he will coach, or what is another word for that, "train", a person in the proper use of the language they have a better understanding of.
That is the problem with ignorant and arrogant Americans. They only want to see things in their own light, and attack anyone who dares to do or say anything differently. I give Lulu cudos for having the courage to attempt to converse with people of another country with different customs, and language.
When I was nine years old, my father moved to Mexico from Wisconsin. I was the only "Gringo" (young boy) in the school and the whole town. I have found other people from all over the world to be much more accommodating and understanding than the UGLY Americans. Don't get me wrong, I am a disabled US veteran. But I have also lived in Latin America for a large portion of my life. I see the Ugly American daily, and it gets old. Currently American attitude is causing more problems than it is solving, you might want to start learning another language, or change your attitude, the US is out numbered by about 6 billion people. Ever hear of a NOE HORDE????
Vulgar
Wow, do you feel better? I've known Ghost a long time and I know better. You see it the way you want to. No where did I see any hint of reprisal. This should get some interesting replies.
P.S. - Ghost is Canadian, not an "Ugly American" :lol
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Wow, do you feel better? I've known Ghost a long time and I know better. You see it the way you want to. No where did I see any hint of reprisal. This should get some interesting replies.
Well I guess he could be literally sitting at his computer with gloves on......
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the "vocal minority" are VERY preoccupied with how the others play the game and desire contact with them...monitor their behaviors and complain frequently about their practices (as evidenced in this thread many are AH trainers and folks who have HTC's ear). Specifically NOE raids.
I have never talked to Hitech on the phone, I've never gone to a Convention, the closest I've ever gotten to him is escorting Santa on Christmas Eve. With all due respect, you're absolutely paranoid! A blind/deaf man could see the 'whack-a-mole' gameplay that has been going on.
You may ask why I refer to some as "the vocal minority" and i respond with the FACT that every attempt by HTC to appease the "aerial combat" crew has failed to gain any numerical support (ww1, AvA, EW, MW and to an extent the DA) You would think that maps where there is a FiterTown would be swarming with guys furballing...but the fact is only a handful are there
The few times I've seen a true FT area on the map, its either; captured by one country completely, its a vulch fest, its loaded with low level flaks, or the fights are higher there than the rest of the map. Hitech can't force good game-play, nor does this community enforce itself. Maybe I should call Hitech on his private 'red-phone' line and abolish squads that have more than 10 guys while I have his attention.
This IS HTC's world and I am thankful to have a game that i still enjoy..i hope this continues to be the case :salute
We can all share the game, throwing around wild accusations make you look foolish and brings the game-play/fair-play potential a bit lower.
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'whack-a-mole' gameplay
That really is the perfect analogy to describe the NOE strategy that had taken over the MAs.
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That really is the perfect analogy to describe the NOE strategy that had taken over the MAs.
It really can describe ALOT of different aspects of gameplay.
Some are actually more prevelant and distracting than noes.
You're right--a perfect analogy! :aok
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I Did not read Ghost post until today!
I told my opinion about new settings looking for a better solution.
I wrote about it in other post too.
I take care about only possibles eventually more positive solutions (how many times i must wrote this!?).
For example:
"That said (and it still amazes me), I am starting to agree with some of the radar whines. Imho, HTC should raise the minimum altitude to just under 100 feet but disable auto level below 150 feet." (By Delirium)
For the rest I will sing gently:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xGm_xoYcmI
But as not really I did it :banana:
:salute
P.S.
From your answers, my English not seems so not understandable.
Not sure. If truly not I also will take care to have a nice journey in that village (listen the video it's easy).
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The last thing in the world the NOE crowd wants is a fight. I can't count the times I've seen a NOE mission busted and everyone killed that they just gave up. No coming back with alt, or bombers or fighters...just nothing. 15 mintues later they'd pop up at another undefended base clean on the other side of the map!
And this is OK. It doesn't affect you and the way you play. I started off as well as many with NOE missions, they were fun, still are and I agree that there is a place for them. However if someone wants to do NOE's all day and all night, that's on them. But for some of you to whine about them because you chose not to defend against them, and use the "it doesn't promote a fight" excuse is lame. Rather for the most part we can find some of you hiding in a horde yourselves that look for the easy kills vulching, hording, anything but a real 1 on 1 fight, so a horde NOE and a horde at Alt is different how other than the obvious? Its still a horde, it sux to defend against, someone will have the advantage in either case.
Taking a base at alt with overwhelming numbers is not overkill? Happens all day.
Look at yesterdays map, not one person on the bish was complaining about being horded by both rook and knit, two big fights on the whole map, rooks and bish, knits and bish. Outnumbered on both sides but had some really good fights.
Yet both rook and knit were running NOE's against bish undefended bases while we were outnumbered that got busted and was fun busting them. Is that lame too, or is it just when Bish does that? Dont be afraid to up and defend it and beat them back, they get tired of getting smashed too. When I get tired of clubbing seals, I go and find 1 on 1 fights, or single cons that are looking for the same, a good fight.
If you cant find a fight, thats your problem and not anyone elses. Try not to be so timid, or stop worrying about your score, thats a start. I have read some of these post where for some of you to even say you cant find a fight because of NOEs simply amazes me that you can make that statement with a straight face and think that its believable. Either your looking in the wrong place, or not looking at all, or what I suspect just making it up for an excuse to make someone play the way you think they should.
I agree with the OP, your argument holds no water.
Kisses....
well said vulgar!
The dilemma HTC has (and it is not new) is the following:
1. Many subscribers like to "accomplish" certain goals when they play a game....in this case taking a base in a manner that ensures success...
2. HTC and imho a very vocal minority deplore this type of gameplay and would prefer that most subscribers engage in aerial combat...with basetaking as a backdrop
3. While most of the subscribers who enjoy base-taking as a FOCUS of their fun experience could care less if they ever encounter the "vocal minority"...the "vocal minority" are VERY preoccupied with how the others play the game and desire contact with them...monitor their behaviors and complain frequently about their practices (as evidenced in this thread many are AH trainers and folks who have HTC's ear). Specifically NOE raids. Of interest is that there are never strong complaints about other forms of gameplay that "avoid combat" such as strat bombing...high alt buff missions...camping spawn points....dropping hangers at vh bases...sneaking a cv into range and dropping town then rolling lvts to take a base..."picking" in jets... etc etc
You may ask why I refer to some as "the vocal minority" and i respond with the FACT that every attempt by HTC to appease the "aerial combat" crew has failed to gain any numerical support (ww1, AvA, EW, MW and to an extent the DA) You would think that maps where there is a FiterTown would be swarming with guys furballing...but the fact is only a handful are there....most of the peeps in a MA are involved in base v base action. Large squads are in general "base taking" squads etc. The ignored point here is that the REASON for making such abrupt changes is because SUCH A LARGE number of folks like basetaking via NOEs. If they didnt then they could never get the "horde" numbers in missions to run them. So if such a large number of subscribers ENJOY this why would you purposefully upset them by changing the "rules"??? That is what is beyond me...the people you are upsetting here are unlikely to suddenly "see the light" and become furballers...they have that option now and CHOOSE not to do so.
This IS HTC's world and I am thankful to have a game that i still enjoy..i hope this continues to be the case :salute
Very well said. Maybe because they dont know where else to go. They have every other arena to go to for strictly Ariel combat but the MA has to change because they want it, whats next, the MA being a ghost town too like all the other arenas that supposed to be used for strictly Ariel combat?
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Very well said. Maybe because they dont know where else to go. They have every other arena to go to for strictly Ariel combat but the MA has to change because they want it, whats next, the MA being a ghost town too like all the other arenas that supposed to be used for strictly Ariel combat?
But why bother playing a MMOG at all if you want to avoid the opposition and sneak around? May as well stick with the console box.
wrongway
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sigh....I just read this thread from beginning to end and was on the fence the whole way until the last few posts. It seems the masses liked it the way it was before the radar modification. I agree with the NOE'ers.
My 2cents :neener:
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sigh....I just read this thread from beginning to end and was on the fence the whole way until the last few posts. It seems the masses liked it the way it was before the radar modification. I agree with the NOE'ers.
My 2cents :neener:
Bear in mind that the players that have eloquently posted "pro" NOE hoard now rarely do them.
(just a few years back that was pretty much ALL they did)
What exactly that means I will let others discuss but there IS a natural progression in this game.
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I have never talked to Hitech on the phone, I've never gone to a Convention, the closest I've ever gotten to him is escorting Santa on Christmas Eve. With all due respect, you're absolutely paranoid! A blind/deaf man could see the 'whack-a-mole' gameplay that has been going on.
If HTC doesn't have any interaction with those designated as his trainers then color me confused. :rolleyes: How did you become a trainer in the first place? Ghosth makes it clear that trainers are supposed to be afforded a different level of respect then us peons. I am sure he would be "taking his gloves off" if i called you paranoid or suggested your point of view made you less astute then a blind/deaf man. Also you ALL seem lockstep with his direction...this has been reinforced over the years despite what direction the game has turned....coincidence i guess....
The few times I've seen a true FT area on the map, its either; captured by one country completely, its a vulch fest, its loaded with low level flaks, or the fights are higher there than the rest of the map. Hitech can't force good game-play, nor does this community enforce itself.
Holy overgeneralizations Batman....every fitertown is captured????? The toolshedders are flying higher there then the rest of the map??? Dude I can't even have this discussion with you...your so far off base...and don't forget how we ruined ww1/ew/mw/ava/da :rolleyes:
Maybe I should call Hitech on his private 'red-phone' line and abolish squads that have more than 10 guys while I have his attention.
Thank you for the irony of making a comment that reflects the accuracy of my previous statement that YOU are AMONGST the vocal minority who actually have nothing better to do then monitor folks like me. In the other thread Lute gives BoPs credit for perfecting NOEs. Now i couldnt even tell you how many Lute or you have in your squads.....I dont even know what squad you are in. In fact I never see you in the game...yet somehow you can make a statement as a veiled threat about my squad. :neener:
We can all share the game, throwing around wild accusations make you look foolish and brings the game-play/fair-play potential a bit lower.
What wild accusations??? You manage to make my point without me going to the archives to dig up all the times you and others have referenced me or my squad as "a problem" within the game....how does my enjoyment of the game have ANYTHING to do with you....folks like you are incidental to me...useless...except that you choose to respond to me when i don't even bother to engage you in conversation....feelfree to set me on ignore...it is definitely how i handle encountering your posts :aok
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Bear in mind that the players that have eloquently posted "pro" NOE hoard now rarely do them.
(just a few years back that was pretty much ALL they did)
What exactly that means I will let others discuss but there IS a natural progression in this game.
While I am no longer a big NOE'er (except one night a week)....the progression has been a more balanced game imho that did not require draconian tactics in order to survive...HTCs implementation of a "win the war" requirement that requires capture of both country's bases was brilliant and caused a lot of of fairness in the game. It discouraged "ganging". This is much more the reason why we don't base capture alot anymore...we don't need to...that simple :aok
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Ghosth is spot on that players that are Trainers, CM, AVA staff should be afforded respect.
Most players don't have a clue how many untold hours/days/months/years these players have spent helping players, designing/running Special Events, etc, etc...
They do what they do for no other reason that the love of this game and wanting to give back to the community.
What have you done for the betterment of this community?
While I am no longer a big NOE'er (except one night a week)....the progression has been a more balanced game imho that did not require draconian tactics in order to survive...HTCs implementation of a "win the war" requirement that requires capture of both country's bases was brilliant and caused a lot of of fairness in the game. It discouraged "ganging". This is much more the reason why we don't base capture alot anymore...we don't need to...that simple :aok
Oh just admit I have been right all along and you are finally seeing the light.
It is "ok".
I know you want to...
:neener:
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Ghosth is spot on that players that are Trainers, CM, AVA staff should be afforded respect.
Most players don't have a clue how many untold hours/days/months/years these players have spent helping players, designing/running Special Events, etc, etc...
They do what they do for no other reason that the love of this game and wanting to give back to the community.
What have you done for the betterment of this community?
And nobody else should be afforded respect but who you listed? Your farther from the mark than you think you are. Ghost was out of line.
They volunteered for what they do. This does not grant them anything special from anyone but a thank you and the recognition for doing so if anyone chooses to give that to them.
We play the game because we love it as well, and we pay our 15 bucks to play it. Dont expect someone to be treated special because they volunteer themself to this game.
Vulgar clearly called it like it was, regardless of what he meant. It was not a professional thing to say.
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Ghosth is spot on that players that are Trainers, CM, AVA staff should be afforded respect.
I don't want to hijack this thread, but I don't think Staff of any kind should be given additional respect unless it is during an event or in their respective arenas online. For example, you cannot ignore a Trainer's instructions in the TA, or a CM during a scenario event for example.
I want Falconwing (delusional or not) to be able to speak his mind towards me like he would any other player.
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Bear in mind that the players that have eloquently posted "pro" NOE hoard now rarely do them.
(just a few years back that was pretty much ALL they did)
What exactly that means I will let others discuss but there IS a natural progression in this game.
with all due respect Lute...I'm new to AH and I understood the changes to the radar just happened recently and there is a direct link between NOE's and the reason for the change. ie: under radar went from 500' to 65' to make NOE's practically impossible.
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And for the record,
1. No player requested a change.
2. No player that I remember asked for no NOE radar.
3. No player requested longer radar ranges.
4. No player that I remember complained about NOE raids.
5. No player requested shorter ranges.
6. I do not remember any whines about the radar ranges.
7. We did not in any way make this change because of any whining.
HiTech
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And for the record,
1. No player requested a change.
2. No player that I remember asked for no NOE radar.
3. No player requested longer radar ranges.
4. No player that I remember complained about NOE raids.
5. No player requested shorter ranges.
6. I do not remember any whines about the radar ranges.
7. We did not in any way make this change because of any whining.
HiTech
:rofl Thats a good one..... Oh, you were being serious?
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And for the record,
1. No player requested a change.
2. No player that I remember asked for no NOE radar.
3. No player requested longer radar ranges.
4. No player that I remember complained about NOE raids.
5. No player requested shorter ranges.
6. I do not remember any whines about the radar ranges.
7. We did not in any way make this change because of any whining.
HiTech
Make it a STICKY please ... :D
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And nobody else should be afforded respect but who you listed? Your farther from the mark than you think you are. Ghost was out of line.
They volunteered for what they do. This does not grant them anything special from anyone but a thank you and the recognition for doing so if anyone chooses to give that to them.
We play the game because we love it as well, and we pay our 15 bucks to play it. Dont expect someone to be treated special because the volunteer themself to this game.
Vulgar clearly called it like it was, regardless of what he meant. It was not a professional thing to say.
There is a reason why Altruism is a core aspect of most major religions. If you choose to argue against the teachings of people like Jesus or Buddha then we are so far apart in our views that I doubt we will ever find common ground.
(you are probably against giving respect to the elderly or vets as well I will assume?)
Nobody becomes a CM, Trainer, or AvA staff because they expect thank yous or recognition for doing so.
They do it to give back and contribute.
What have you done for the betterment of the community?
And for the record,
1. No player requested a change.
2. No player that I remember asked for no NOE radar.
3. No player requested longer radar ranges.
4. No player that I remember complained about NOE raids.
5. No player requested shorter ranges.
6. I do not remember any whines about the radar ranges.
7. We did not in any way make this change because of any whining.
HiTech
:aok
:rofl Thats a good one..... Oh, you were being serious?
Don't ya' just hate when that house of cards your opinion is based on comes tumblin' down...
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I don't want to hijack this thread, but I don't think Staff of any kind should be given additional respect unless it is during an event or in their respective arenas online. For example, you cannot ignore a Trainer's instructions in the TA, or a CM during a scenario event for example.
:salute Delirium.
All posters should get a certain level of respect. Personally, I am trying to restrict my posts to what I would say to someone face to face.
Some flaming will still occur. I remember a real life example of a guy in my USAF squadron saying something like "my father-in-law acts like he owns my house just because he pays the mortgage." Even face to face, some thoughts need to be flamed.
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There is a reason that Altruism is a core aspect of most major religions. If you choose to argue against the teachings of people like Jesus or Buddha then we are so far apart in our views that I doubt we will ever find common ground.
(you are probably against giving respect to the elderly or vets as well I will assume)
Nobody becomes a CM, Trainer, or AvA staff because they expect thank yous or recognition for doing so.
They do it to give back and contribute.
What have you done for the betterment of the community?
:aok
First lesson in life you have not yet learned, never assume anything.
Your still off mark, and I will not go any further into your discussion of religion.
I respect my elders and vets as well, as I am a vet myself. I also have respect for others that also have respect for others as well.
I don't brag or boast or to say the least threaten anyone because I hold such an honor, as I would expect anyone else that is a vet to do the same since we volunteered to do so without the recognition. To abuse or take advantage of that position is wrong, and to expect anything or anyone to recognize that position as a vet or as an HT staff member, or to imply you are deserving of any more or less respect than anyone else because of that position is foolish, arrogant, ignorant.
Don't ya' just hate when that house of cards your opinion is based on comes tumblin' down...
:lol You dont think that what happened wasn't expected by anyone else but you? We all know the squeaky wheel gets the grease. I just hope that with all the decisions he has to make according to everyone elses opinions will still pay off for him, you know like all the other arenas have...... :aok
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I have not seen a single post from a Trainer, CM, or AvA member saying they deserve or want anything for their actions.
Not sure why you are basing your argument on something that never happened, but when has that ever stopped you eh?
The reason one would respect the elderly, or a vet, are the same reasons the volunteers in AcesHigh merit respect.
With all due respect :D, what you SAY you think/believe, and what you post here on the BBS are not aligned.
We all know the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
So you are calling Dale a liar?
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What have you done for the betterment of the community?
Lute, I think I will make a comment here. The above sentence and question comes up way to often, and it is always made by a veteran player.
You ask, what Dad's has done for the community. I'm not the greatest player, but I do assist players when ever I can. It may be a simple comment that they are wasting bullets when shooting at a plane with a Wirble at 3k or just the other day I helped a new squad mate, who hasn't been in the game very long, set up his view and controls for GVing. I have seen Dads on countless times assist other players, both squad mates, and countrymen in the same way.
I am giving some personal examples, but I see this from players all the time, including yourself. I feel, I and many others contribute to this community in many ways. First by paying our monthly subscriptions fees. If it wasn't for each and everyone of us doing that, there would be no game, thus no community. So in a nutshell every subscribed player does contribute. I know, "I pay my money, I'll play my way", also comes up way to often, but my point is no money, no game, no community.
I agree with Delirum previous post completely, but when a trainer or CM Staff enters a debate, then a response should be allow to be stated without the personal resumes and then the following "What have you done for the betterment of the community?".
I have the utmost respect for the trainers and other players that do the skins, build the maps, and run the scenarios. I also have respect for HiTech and staff for what they have created, it has brought me three years of enjoyment so far, but that does not mean that I have to agree with them on every subject. If we are going to have a BBS then there should be discussion and debate, and maybe some of it should not turn into a flame war.
My Opinion
Fred
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So you are calling Dale a liar?
If he was, would the gloves come off??
Sorry -couldn't resist! lol
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So you are calling Dale a liar?
I would never, ever, ever, ever, ever, even come close to calling him Dale..... :lol
Lute, you dont have enough on that hook. :D
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I've been reading all these threads about the new radar settings. Before I begin I played Friday night and most of the day yesterday and they made no difference to me although for the record I think 65' is too low.
What I don't get is all the people jumping for joy over these settings because they will limit the NOE crowd. For the most part, these same people are those who always say they don't care about winning the war and, if you are to believe them, are ACM masters who could single handedly take down an entire hoard of "skilless dweebs". If you don't care about winning the war then why care about the NOE base takers? I don't and haven't cared about either one. I just want to kill people and blow suff up.
Frankly, when the NOE guys take a single base deep in the enemy backfield it just creates more fights on that part of the map. I always thought that was a good thing. Evidently I was mistaken.
Bahahahah, nice Mr Eagle sir. :aok
They will burn you, but nice to see others can see how most people are full of it lol
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Nobody becomes a CM, Trainer, or AvA staff because they expect thank yous or recognition for doing so.
I did it because I thought it would get me chicks. Damn this ignorant American arrogance!!!!! :furious
Who wants to step outside!!! :mad:
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So you are calling Dale a liar?
Pretty much :lol
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I did it because I thought it would get me chicks. Damn this ignorant American arrogance!!!!! :furious
Who wants to step outside!!! :mad:
Chicks? Only the toothless ones bro. :joystick:
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Chicks? Only the toothless ones bro. :joystick:
Fine by me, I aint fussy. Sign me up
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I don't want to hijack this thread, but I don't think Staff of any kind should be given additional respect unless it is during an event or in their respective arenas online. For example, you cannot ignore a Trainer's instructions in the TA, or a CM during a scenario event for example.
I want Falconwing (delusional or not) to be able to speak his mind towards me like he would any other player.
Lute,
I won't lower myself and my actions in the past to defend what I have done to better the community. What I do, I do and I don't need a name tag to feel satisfaction for it and I have no need or want for additional respect just because I'm a nice guy.
What I HAVE more recently tried to do is not namecall or make others feel low on the bbs simply because i disagree with them or their style...that is the biggest change I have tried to effect over the last year. This poster has so far managed to call me delusional, paranoid etc i was more likely to take that tact in the past and I didn't feel good about it...so i have stopped responding in like manner.
when dale says nothing affected his decision then I must take his word for it...and I do gladly.
Either way it is his game and as long as I want to play it...I will be respectful and thankful to him
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There is a reason why Altruism is a core aspect of most major religions. If you choose to argue against the teachings of people like Jesus or Buddha then we are so far apart in our views that I doubt we will ever find common ground.
(you are probably against giving respect to the elderly or vets as well I will assume?)
Nobody becomes a CM, Trainer, or AvA staff because they expect thank yous or recognition for doing so.
They do it to give back and contribute.
What have you done for the betterment of the community?
Lute,
I think the main question is WHEN was a trainer disrespected in a manner that deserved a retort such as Ghosth's?
You are working off the premise that an insult actually occurred? I can't find it...
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Whoa..I thought after a week of the changes, people would accept them and move on. Seems panties have been wound too tight with something so stupid as a radar change. MAN up fellas!! Find a different tactic and use it. Its really not the end of the world here. :cheers:
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Its really not the end of the world here.
Here it is. ;)
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Here it is. ;)
You need to move then. HEY ! if you move to the US that would solve that whole numbers problem you have when you log in! :P
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If he was, would the gloves come off??
Sorry -couldn't resist! lol
:rofl
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To abuse or take advantage of that position is wrong, and to expect anything or anyone to recognize that position as a vet or as an HT staff member, or to imply you are deserving of any more or less respect than anyone else because of that position is foolish, arrogant, ignorant.
All very true, and I agree. Yet some of you are holding a Trainer to a different standard when he says something you find offensive. "Hey, you're a trainer, you shouldn't be saying things like that!"
If everyone is given the same respect, everyone should be given the same leeway. You guys are trying to enforce a double standard on Ghosth. I'm kind of surprised by that.
- oldman
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All very true, and I agree. Yet some of you are holding a Trainer to a different standard when he says something you find offensive. "Hey, you're a trainer, you shouldn't be saying things like that!"
If everyone is given the same respect, everyone should be given the same leeway. You guys are trying to enforce a double standard on Ghosth. I'm kind of surprised by that.
- oldman
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You need to move then. HEY ! if you move to the US that would solve that whole numbers problem you have when you log in! :P
It would change dar circles too? :neener: I didn't mean "end of world" geographically :lol
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the stupid US Gov. policy has caused me to return for awhile, no I am not a convict! US policy killed off my and everyone else's business that depends on trade. When I am in San Carlos I do not play AH. To many fun things to do that are legal, unlike in the US. Yes having fun is not a punishable offense!
Vulgar
:airplane: |=> Never mind :mad:
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All very true, and I agree. Yet some of you are holding a Trainer to a different standard when he says something you find offensive. "Hey, you're a trainer, you shouldn't be saying things like that!"
If everyone is given the same respect, everyone should be given the same leeway. You guys are trying to enforce a double standard on Ghosth. I'm kind of surprised by that.
- oldman
Once again my friend...no one is holding ghosth to a double standard. The ONLY reason the term trainer even came into play was BECAUSE Ghosth raised it at the same time he implied some form of reprisal because of Lulu's so-called insult was directed AT an AH trainer. I still am at a loss as to what the original perceived insult was...
I am sure Ghosth made a mistake but lets not now act as if this had something to do with folks "attacking" an AH trainer simply because they were a trainer. I don't think it helps that almost everyone seeming to back Ghosth is staff or friends of staff. It perpetuates the perception that staff/trainers are beyond reproach when they err. :salute
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Whatever dude.
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edit: deleted. Isn't worth my time.
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It perpetuates the perception that staff/trainers are beyond reproach when they err. :salute
Ask BadBoy. We are all treated equal here :rofl
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Hitech can't force good game-play, nor does this community enforce itself.
I try with my threads and get bashed by all sorts of players, but there bashing only feeds my quest for all out drama in Aces High :rolleyes:
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lmao, Gosth is Canadian! Before my serious health problems, and a motorcycle accident. I was involved with banking, commercial land, and resort development in San Carlos, Sonora, Mexico. I worked for the founder and only developer, he owns all the land in San Carlos. I was also one of the very first Americans to offer residential financing via American investors/banks to foreigners in Mexico.
In the mid 2000's the Canadian market was doing extremely well and the exchange rate for Canadian dollars was 2 to 1 in comparison to US dollars for converting pesos. Canadians got twice as many pesos for their dollar than what you would get for a US dollar. We had a flood of Canadians. At first their business and desire to develop resorts/condos was welcome. But after about a year. We would no longer sell commercial properties to Canadians, and some Americans. Canadians were even more ignorant and arrogant then the Americans! Every Canadian project that did get started, failed. They shot themselves in the foot with their attitude, no one wanted to do business with them. Those who rise fast, fall the hardest.
Now back to AH!
The old timers will remember the articles about submarines in AH. Those articles and advertising increased the client base. I remember seeing ranking numbers over six thousand. Currently I see high scores in the upper four thousand range. That implies that there are some were around five thousand current subscribers. Why after all these years are there less subscribers? There are substantially more internet subscribers than there was over five years ago in the US, and Internationally, a much larger increase. Yet the number of AH subscribers has apparently declined. This brings to question what is causing this. Every other popular online game has had an increase of subscribers over the last five years. Granted AH is more of a niche game, never the less subscription has declined.
I have already mentioned that when in game, when someone uses a language other than English, immediately that person is told English only this is an American game. With people like Gosth making comments to learn to use English sentences correctly or repercussions will happen. Such comments certainly cause non-Americans to cancel their subscriptions, or not stay around after the 2 week trial. Who would put up with attacks simply because English is not your first language?
Games like WOW have grown to 11 millions subscribers. 5.5 million are from China, 2.5 million from north America, 2 million from Europe, yes I know that only adds up to 10 million, but those are the numbers that have been released, the other million are probably from many other countries.
Fact is, the US only comprises of less than 10% of the total world potential client base. AH only offers everything in English, while every other game comes in multiple languages. Surprising that AH does not solicit the largest population base. Given the allowance of attacks on non-English speakers. Shows that AH is not following a good business practice.
One of the mantra's in AH is, it is only a game. Yet, first and foremost it is a business. Everyone wants more planes, more arenas, more options. The players in a sense own a little piece of the AH business. They pay their subscriptions, they help new players, make suggestions, argue their point, A LOT. Progress has been moving along over the years slowly. Many planes still have the original cockpits, twelve years or longer and still not updated, that is slower than a snails pace.
The apparent current player base is so small that revenue is barely enough to keep AH running. If there was more revenue more people could be hired and progress rate improved. Who is at fault for this, HiTechCreations, or the players? Both are at fault.
With every new player there is an opportunity for a substantial increase in the player base. You never know who they are, their family, their friends. To us older folks, the kid now days are speed demons at networking. Facebook, twitter, personal websites, blogs, family business websites, etc.
Some one from another country may have access to millions of people. If they are treated improperly, they are going to tell every one do not give money to HiTechCreations because they are a bunch of jerk, arrogant, Americans AND Canadians! Instead of telling everyone how great AH is and that they should give it a try.
You math guys, can do the math. One person gets one friend each month to subscribe to AH. Each one of those new subscribers gets one friend each month to subscribe, and on and on. Granted AH is not for everyone. But I am sure there is a much larger base of subscribers out there than is currently subscribing. The current numbers clearly point out that something is wrong.
Numerous features and rules have been implemented to reduce the level of player vs. player abuse. The fact that these changes were implemented shows that there is a problem.
The best way to build the subscriber base is through the current players. There should be ten to twenty thousand subscribers, when the increase of internet users from all over the world are taken into account. Why are the non-Americans staying away? Yes I know there are numerous people from numerous countries, but the great majority of those speak english.
I believe that one of if not the primary problem is attitude. The reason why I have been pointing out attitude so much. Business owners, professionals, large corporate entities, spend lots of money employing psychiatrist and psychologist to provide classes and critique on how to improve interaction with clients. Everyone has heard stuff like he is a natural born salesman, he is a natural fighter pilot! While in fact, every good business owner has taken much time and expense and effort to em-better their people skills. Most people do not realize how they actually come across to people, common etiquette stops people from always being truthful about their personal opinion. Tell a women when they come home from the beauty parlor, that the hairdo looks crappy! What you think is funny, may offend some one else, even when you are both native speakers of the same language. Business owners learn that they lose clients because they say things, or use mannerisms, that offend a percentage of their potential client base. No one can get all the business, but anyone can get a percentage of the business, depending on your people skills, you will get a large percentage a small percentage, or go out of business. Like the Canadians in San Carlos.
Point is, the players need to take a good look at themselves, because they are directly responsible for the small player base. Read all the posts about people quiting. Fact is, in business people who complain or even verbally abuse, will stay around with proper handling, those who say nothing and walk out the door will never be back, and believe me they will tell everyone about their bad experience. Only HiTechCreations knows what those actual numbers are.
There are lots of players that display very good people skills. But there are consistently a number that do nothing but offend people. Usually these same offensive people are the ones stirring things up the most. I want this, I want that, I want people to play my way. Instead of moving things in a better direction they are diverting things towards a declining condition that eventually only damages every aspect of AH. If people leave and do not pay a subscription, AH does not have the revenue to move forwards. These agitators are actually building roadblocks to achieving what they claim they want.
When new players start up, they follow existing players to learn the game. They will play the game in the way they are taught, they will also acquire the same attitude, good or bad.
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The other day, I received a PM from a player, not happy with my ACM, he lost. I started a discussion with him to see why he said what he said. His current k/d ratio was .3 something. While talking to him he said he had improved greatly. He had earlier had 15 deaths for every 1 kill. Earlier in this thread there was mention about NOE attacks on a particular Sunday. This go me thinking. The complaint/whining was that large groups were attacking undefended air fields and would not fight. Well who in there right mind would keep fighting a fight that they lost 15 times to every win? The very people who were crying their opponents will not sit still and let me kill them the way they want to kill them, were the actual cause of why the conditions changed.
A lot of players really need to take a look at how they are playing the game, and what affects their attitude are having on changing the conditions. It appears that the people complaining the loudest, are the exact ones that are producing the conditions that they are complaining about. Now the question comes up, are they doing this because they do not really understand that their actions cause reactions, or do they know exactly what they are doing, and are simply mad because players wised up to their game. I bet those guys that had been getting killed 15 times for every kill. When they started taking bases and saw that the guy's that were killing them started getting mad, ranting and raving on 200. Reveled in their new discovery. They could finally get back at the guy's that had been taking advantage of them. I bet those guys taking the bases had a good laugh, they probably needed it after the frustrations of getting killed 15 times in a row, over and over again.
Fact is players are far more responsible for what happens in game, then they care to admit, or realize. Everyone should sit back and take a good long look at what is it they really want. Some claim the changes they want are for the good of all players, is that really so? I think to many want changes because their gig is up, the conditions changed in a way that their method of playing no longer works. That type of change is a part of about every aspect of life. I suppose there will always be people that do not have what it takes to work for what they want, they want it handed to them on a silver platter, these are also the same people who boast the most, and cry the most when they do not get what they want.
For AH to progress, the player base needs to also progress. One will not survive without the other. I think Hitech's decision to implement such a dramatic change in dar after all these years, shows that something is up. Hitech may have ultimate control over the game, but it is really and truly up to the player base as to the progression of the game. If the players really want all the plane sets, all the different arenas, new war periods. They better make some changes themselves, players are responsible for growing the subscription base increasing revenue so that Hitech can hire and purchase all the things necessa
The other day, I received a PM from a player, not happy with my ACM, he lost. I started a discussion with him to see why he said what he said. His current k/d ratio was .3 something. While talking to him he said he had improved greatly. He had earlier had 15 deaths for every 1 kill. Earlier in this thread there was mention about NOE attacks on a particular Sunday. This go me thinking. The complaint/whining was that large groups were attacking undefended air fields and would not fight. Well who in there right mind would keep fighting a fight that they lost 15 times to every win? The very people who were crying their opponents will not sit still and let me kill them the way they want to kill them, were the actual cause of why the conditions changed.
A lot of players really need to take a look at how they are playing the game, and what affects their attitude are having on changing the conditions. It appears that the people complaining the loudest, are the exact ones that are producing the conditions that they are complaining about. Now the question comes up, are they doing this because they do not really understand that their actions cause reactions, or do they know exactly what they are doing, and are simply mad because players wised up to their game. I bet those guys that had been getting killed 15 times for every kill. When they started taking bases and saw that the guy's that were killing them started getting mad, ranting and raving on 200. Reveled in their new discovery. They could finally get back at the guy's that had been taking advantage of them. I bet those guys taking the bases had a good laugh, they probably needed it after the frustrations of getting killed 15 times in a row, over and over again.
Fact is players are far more responsible for what happens in game, then they care to admit, or realize. Everyone should sit back and take a good long look at what is it they really want. Some claim the changes they want are for the good of all players, is that really so? I think to many want changes because their gig is up, the conditions changed in a way that their method of playing no longer works. That type of change is a part of about every aspect of life. I suppose there will always be people that do not have what it takes to work for what they want, they want it handed to them on a silver platter, these are also the same people who boast the most, and cry the most when they do not get what they want.
For AH to progress, the player base needs to also progress. One will not survive without the other. I think Hitech's decision to implement such a dramatic change in dar after all these years, shows that something is up. Hitech may have ultimate control over the game, but it is really and truly up to the player base as to the progression of the game. If the players really want all the plane sets, all the different arenas, new war periods. They better make some changes themselves, players are responsible for growing the subscription base increasing revenue so that Hitech can hire and purchase all the things necessary to grow the business.
Comments like Gosth's are doing nothing but decreasing the player base. If he was involved in my business, whether as a volunteer, intern, or a paid employee, he would be out the door so fast, the knob would not have a chance to hit him in the backside.
Concerning non-English players. Perhaps some of the existing players who speak other languages could come up with some suggestions as to how to start helping out non-English players. Having a forum for non-English speakers may be a good start. I believe that HiTechCreations is losing substantial revenue by not attending to the non-English speakers which comprise of more than 90% of the world.
Vulgarry to grow the business.
Comments like Gosth's are doing nothing but decreasing the player base. If he was involved in my business, whether as a volunteer, intern, or a paid employee, he would be out the door so fast, the knob would not have a chance to hit him in the backside. Respect is earned, not demanded.
Concerning non-English players. Perhaps some of the existing players who speak other languages could come up with some suggestions as to how to start helping out non-English players. Having a forum for non-English speakers may be a good start. I believe that HiTechCreations is losing substantial revenue by not attending to the non-English speakers which comprise of more than 90% of the world.
Vulgar
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Comments like Gosth's are doing nothing but decreasing the player base. If he was involved in my business, whether as a volunteer, intern, or a paid employee, he would be out the door so fast, the knob would not have a chance to hit him in the backside.
How you run your business is up to you, but if you had any true understanding of how many players have stayed in this game due to Ghosth's help you'd be a fool to get rid of him.
BTW since you seem to know him so well, you do know he's not Canadian right? I'm glad to see you didn't bring any bias to your rant or bother to check your facts.
As for facts, I'm glad you brought up HTC's business model and current lack of revenue to hire more developers. I guess Dale and Doug were just BS'ing us at the CON, about the business model and how HTC was founded on the idea of a very small company that wouldn't just expand as fast as possible. So I'm glad your not running HTC because I seriously doubt that your large corporation approach would work. But I suppose you could ask EA about their experience as the large game development corporation?
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I do believe Vulgar has just set a record for the longest and most straw men malarkey on this bbs.
HiTech
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I do believe Vulgar has just set a record for the longest and most straw men malarkey on this bbs.
HiTech
I think he made some pretty good points...... I'm not sure what they are, but he must have made a few in all that! :aok
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The first two paragraphs pretty much told me the rest of his novel would be horsechit so I didn't waste my time going on.
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. The complaint/whining was that large groups were attacking undefended air fields and would not fight. Well who in there right mind would keep fighting a fight that they lost 15 times to every win? The very people who were crying their opponents will not sit still and let me kill them the way they want to kill them, were the actual cause of why the conditions changed.
A lot of players really need to take a look at how they are playing the game, and what affects their attitude are having on changing the conditions. It appears that the people complaining the loudest, are the exact ones that are producing the conditions that they are complaining about. Now the question comes up, are they doing this because they do not really understand that their actions cause reactions, or do they know exactly what they are doing, and are simply mad because players wised up to their game. I bet those guys that had been getting killed 15 times for every kill. When they started taking bases and saw that the guy's that were killing them started getting mad, ranting and raving on 200. Reveled in their new discovery. They could finally get back at the guy's that had been taking advantage of them. I bet those guys taking the bases had a good laugh, they probably needed it after the frustrations of getting killed 15 times in a row, over and over again.
No. The guys organizing mass NOE raids, and able to keep them rolling for 2 hours, are none of that kind. They are not K/D 0.06 guys - those do the kind of missions you see with all planes all fuel 75% ;)
And just for the record, there had always been a huge gap in terms of skill and success (K/D), it's not something that is a recent development. Even many years ago, the majority of players was cannon fodder for the relatively few "aces": http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,264394.0.html
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froger
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I don't like the new radar settings...They seem unrealistic...
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You need to remember that when you post comments on a forum, you're basing your opinion on here. Whether you like it or not poses for some debate. That is why we have forums. You either agree, disagree or even stand neutral on topic.
People get pretty heated in game and on the BBS. Seeing the big picture, puts things into perspective. The game is just a game. It is a very difficult game which why I'm so addicted to it. I have good days to where I can land fun sorties, talk to buds and use the game for what I intended it to do, provide me with some escape from the normal everyday life.
I also have bad days. Sometimes I cant get my wheels off the ground or spend 10 minutes climbing to a fight where I get whacked not even firing a shot. It happens and if it happens too much, I can just log off, and say tomorrow is another day.
Just because you may think that customer #s have decreased, stayed stagnant or whatever is due to the fact that we have an American, Canadian or whatever is a load of bull. (remember this is my opinion). Many potential customers just found that this wasn't their game, cant afford it, don't have a CC or whatever. Bottom line is that every month, you are going to ask yourself, is this game worth $15 a month or not.
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Just because you may think that customer #s have decreased, stayed stagnant or whatever is due to the fact that we have an American, Canadian or whatever is a load of bull.
Edit: I meant to say arrogant American/Canadian there
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I think HT changed the dar settings because he was bored with the run-of-the-mill diatribe on the bbs here. Mayhap in another month or so he can perk the spit6, or la7, or somethin....
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UpTown,
If you took 2 advill for one of my post,
then how much advill did you take for vulgar post amplitude! :lol
:salute
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UpTown,
If you took 2 advill for one of my post,
then how much advill did you take for vulgar post amplitude! :lol
:salute
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I do believe Vulgar has just set a record for the longest and most straw men malarkey on this bbs.
HiTech
He cheated ... he copy/pasted 3 paragraphs twice ... :rolleyes:
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The apparent current player base is so small that revenue is barely enough to keep AH running. If there was more revenue more people could be hired and progress rate improved. Who is at fault for this, HiTechCreations, or the players? Both are at fault.
:rofl ... so you are privy to HTC's "books" and server data ?
Did Dale put his plane on craigslist for sale ?
Did you see Pyro or Skuzzy in the grocery checkout using food stamps ?
Anyone who has been here as long as I have (or longer) would surely realize (even without server stats) that the subscription base has grown significantly since I joined this circus.
I remember the night that we broke the 200 online players barrier ... pffft ... you get more than that in LW Blue on any week night.
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Vulgar, there are several repeated paragraphs in the Great Wall of Text. Not sure why.
Anyways, after reading through it…
But there are consistently a number that do nothing but offend people. Usually these same offensive people are the ones stirring things up the most.
Here in the Forums, yes, there is a harsh crowd. In game? The same flamers are pretty decent fellows in the game. Even back in my flame warrior days, my Forum enemies turned out to be good chess piece countrymen.
I keep channel 200 turned off, so, personally, I do not see much “jerk” behavior online.
Perhaps some of the existing players who speak other languages could come up with some suggestions as to how to start helping out non-English players
Can’t help you. When I speak Spanish, I sound like Frankenstein.
“Me want beer. Beer good freeze.”
Bottom line is that every month, you are going to ask yourself, is this game worth $15 a month or not.
Heck, I am even willing to pay Texas state sales tax.
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“Me want beer. Beer good freeze.”
Seems perfect in any language.
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I can order a beer and hooker in 4 languages.
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I do believe Vulgar has just set a record for the longest and most straw men malarkey on this bbs.
I was looking for the Cliff notes.
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I can order a beer and hooker in 4 languages.
Я хочу пива
At least 1/2 of it.
HiTech
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See Rule #12
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Я хочу пива
At least 1/2 of it.
HiTech
Ooh ooh...Can I??
12- All posts, in public forums, should be made in the English language.
:bolt:
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It feels like the DA lake everywhere. Now its good for someone who is a decent pilot but for those who are newbs its rough. I have never ran into so many baby seals before these changes.
The changes promote total destruction of the base just get to 30k and destroy all hangers. This is the way it is going to be done now still no fight unless you want to climb up to chalenge range.
As baldeagle alluded to the fact noes promoted fights, in a way. Maybe not the people actually doing noes but for the defense afterward. People up now and are seen coming off the runway its no
different than the DA. Some people play this game for different reasons than just straight furball/1v1. I have always said noes were the first place I "trained" I learned a lot from them (as a brand new flight sim player). I hate to see the changes it was not necessary.
Was my expeirience that NOEs were no sure thing. Had some great fights with just a very few and occassionally just one great defender that thwarted a base
takeover.
Also agree with Kilo that NOE's with your squadmates is one of the few times that newbies can experience a 'win'. AH is very tough on newbies to flight sims.
And all respect to Hitech, but from what point of reference are you making these decisions? As a game designer or a player? <ducks>
I'm talking about game balance regarding ole time great sticks, pure sim newbies and folks in the middle.
<saaaaaalute>
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I don't like the new radar settings...They seem unrealistic...
You're right. They are a bit unrealistic.
Real WW2 radar could reach out and detect aircraft over 100 miles away, give altitude and speed of the targets.
I'm sure you'd love the radar in the game to reach out four or five sectors (one sector is only 25 miles across) and give away your altitude and speed.
The only thing "unrealistic" is that the in game radar is much weaker than it was in real life. But I'm sure HTC could ramp it up a bit more for those of you that want it to be more realistic.
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See Rule #12
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I can order a beer and hooker in 4 languages.
NOW THAT is skill! :rock
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me too!
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Vulagar, knowing that your going to get flamed for stating your opinion which will not be accepted well, but I can agree with your assessment or at least didnt see anything too far off the mark. :aok
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With the almost 100% map coverage radar has now, why even bother having radar at all now. Just show on the map the locations of all planes flying at any given moment. The 65 foot thing seems odd as well. I can't even read that on the altimeter. Trying to fly that low puts my frame rate in the dirt. Maybe if I had 10K to spend on a way cool gaming PC.
IMHO game play was at it's best when I first started out. It's to bad we couldn't roll back to AH II V1.0.0 (keeping the new planes and GVs of course).
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With the almost 100% map coverage radar has now, why even bother having radar at all now. Just show on the map the locations of all planes flying at any given moment.
Agreed!! 100% :aok
Would like to be able to see what altitude the planes are at also!! :airplane:
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attacking people verbally, and threatening violence,
LMFAO thats what I pay my 15 bucks for!
Your position as a "Aces High Trainer" apparently gives you the authority and or right to threaten people with bodily harm.
Del has threatened me a few times, he dropped torpedos on my town once........
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All very true, and I agree. Yet some of you are holding a Trainer to a different standard when he says something you find offensive. "Hey, you're a trainer, you shouldn't be saying things like that!"
If everyone is given the same respect, everyone should be given the same leeway. You guys are trying to enforce a double standard on Ghosth. I'm kind of surprised by that.
- oldman
Spoken like a true lawyer :D
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Del has threatened me a few times, he dropped torpedos on my town once........
Those weren't torpedoes, they were used condoms. :devil
edit: I had to edit that one so it wouldn't be rule #6'd.
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Those weren't torpedoes, they were used condoms. :devil
I use those as water balloons.
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Those weren't torpedoes, they were used condoms. :devil
edit: I had to edit that one so it wouldn't be rule #6'd.
LAR~ :D
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DaveChapelle: I'm sorry mister I'm gonna have to charge you for that weed that'll be 60$
WillyNelson: Damn 60$ I remember when a dimebag used to cost a dime....
WillyNelson: Do you know how much condoms cost back in the day?
Dave Chapelle: No....how much
WillyNelson: Don't know we didn't use em!
:D
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With the almost 100% map coverage radar has now, why even bother having radar at all now. Just show on the map the locations of all planes flying at any given moment. The 65 foot thing seems odd as well. I can't even read that on the altimeter. Trying to fly that low puts my frame rate in the dirt. Maybe if I had 10K to spend on a way cool gaming PC.
IMHO game play was at it's best when I first started out. It's to bad we couldn't roll back to AH II V1.0.0 (keeping the new planes and GVs of course).
I've never understood how the folks who all crow about the need for "realism" suddenly rush to defend some arbitrary, unrealistic rule dreamed up around some conference table about some "problem" that's been around for, oh, about a decade or so without having too much of an impact on gameplay.
I agree with you about degradation of game play. So many arbitrary rules intended to fix problems and just causing other problems. This thing was a hell of a lot more fun when the community was allowed to find its own way.
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I've been reading all these threads about the new radar settings. Before I begin I played Friday night and most of the day yesterday and they made no difference to me although for the record I think 65' is too low.
What I don't get is all the people jumping for joy over these settings because they will limit the NOE crowd. For the most part, these same people are those who always say they don't care about winning the war and, if you are to believe them, are ACM masters who could single handedly take down an entire hoard of "skilless dweebs". If you don't care about winning the war then why care about the NOE base takers? I don't and haven't cared about either one. I just want to kill people and blow suff up.
Frankly, when the NOE guys take a single base deep in the enemy backfield it just creates more fights on that part of the map. I always thought that was a good thing. Evidently I was mistaken.
On the other hand, if you do care about winning the war, then one of your strategies has just been taken from you. What were once 5-10 man NOE missions will now turn into 20-30 man hoard missions. Even I with my modest skills stood a chance against 5-10 low 110's but I don't want to be anywhere near the 30 man hoard with alt and E.
I don't know. You guys can all spout your awsome skills and ACM prowess and jump on each other's ankles but I don't see any good coming from this. Like I said, I don't get it.
well said, thank you.
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I've never understood how the folks who all crow about the need for "realism" suddenly rush to defend some arbitrary, unrealistic rule dreamed up around some conference table about some "problem" that's been around for, oh, about a decade or so without having too much of an impact on gameplay.
I agree with you about degradation of game play. So many arbitrary rules intended to fix problems and just causing other problems. This thing was a hell of a lot more fun when the community was allowed to find its own way.
But but, they were doing NOES!!! NOES!!
Do you realize the effect it was having on the game??
It was upsetting people who couldn't care less if a base was taken or not.
These same people will find a new red headed stepchild to harp about.
And then some people around a conference table will suddenly have an "epiphany" and make some new rules.
It will NEVER end. :x
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1Boner, I am fairly certain that you have made your opinion known and we have understood that you do not like the new settings that killed your NOE "battles".
Please stop already. <S> Sir.
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But but, they were doing NOES!!! NOES!!
Do you realize the effect it was having on the game??
It was upsetting people who couldn't care less if a base was taken or not.
These same people will find a new red headed stepchild to harp about.
And then some people around a conference table will suddenly have an "epiphany" and make some new rules.
It will NEVER end. :x
We get it.
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Lol, sorry guys.
I get a "little" annoyed with hypocrites.
I'm all done.
Apologetically yours,
Boner. :salute
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I do believe Vulgar has just set a record for the longest and most straw men malarkey on this bbs.
HiTech
Well HiTech as for what I wrote as malarkey. You are certainly capable of making up your own mind. If business experience is such a bad thing to share and you simply discount it. Well take a look at your own numbers and the rate your growth. Fact is fact, you could be doing much better than you are, without becoming a large unmanageable organization. The dot com burst clearly pointed out that programmers/engineers are lousy business people. Re-evaluating things certainly would not hurt things, discounting every suggestion or experience offered by your customers is not a very intelligent thing to do.
Concerning your illegal use of one of my credit cards. Certainly points out that you should re-evaluate your business practices. I have attempted to discuss the problems I have experienced with your account management system on more than one occasion over the years. Yet you do not seem to think there is a problem and your response and final decision lacks basic business morals, and ethics, which points to intentional illegal practices. I do have the proof, and a letter, and evidence was sent to the Texas attorney generals office, as well as your office prior to filing the complaint. They thanked me and opened a file to keep an eye on your operations concerning credit card abuse.
If anyone else has experienced problems with changing the credit card that is charged, and then has old credit cards charged as well as the new card charged, and HiTechCreations refuses to make appropriate restitution.
You may file a complaint. You may reference my file number: D 320230 410 -- Though just using HiTech Creations, Inc will bring up the already opened file.
Attorney General of Texas
Greg Abbot
Consumer Protection & Public Health Division
1412 Main St. STE 810
Dallas, Texas 75202-4065
For the rest of you. It is simple, rather than beating everyone up all the time over every comment they make. You could do better by coming up with solutions rather than making accusations that they are whining. Many people on this board have a good point, unfortunately it is usually lost due to the way people respond and the subsequent pissing matches.
Vulgar
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I don't know how to manage my credit cards, so it must be HTC's fault that I got charged more! :rolleyes:
Vulgar
Wow !, just Wow!
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Well HiTech as for what I wrote as malarkey. You are certainly capable of making up your own mind. If business experience is such a bad thing to share and you simply discount it. Well take a look at your own numbers and the rate your growth. Fact is fact, you could be doing much better than you are, without becoming a large unmanageable organization.
Vulgar
Translation: My butt hurts because you wont take my ideas.
Vulger: The wonderful thing of owning your own business is you get to run it the way you and only you want it. Im in the food business and hopefully one day Ill own my own restaurant. Ill listen to what customers have to say but I dont agree with it, I dont have to put it into force. My risk, my reward.
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The Fugitive, you know very well I never made any such comment. Your are only displaying the very thing, I have been talking about. Immature people like you just cannot give it a rest.
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:O :O :O
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Translation: My butt hurts because you wont take my ideas.
Vulger: The wonderful thing of owning your own business is you get to run it the way you and only you want it. Im in the food business and hopefully one day Ill own my own restaurant. Ill listen to what customers have to say but I dont agree with it, I dont have to put it into force. My risk, my reward.
Good example. So, if you did not agree with an idea or a complain a customer had, would you insult them repeatedly in public?
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Well HiTech as for what I wrote is malarkey. You are certainly capable of making up your own mind. If your experience with Extenze,Viagara and Cyallis is such a bad thing to share and you simply discount it. Well take a look at your own numbers and the rate your growth. Fact is fact, you could be doing much better than you are, without getting a large unmanageable Boner that lasts for 4 hours. The pants burst clearly pointed out that programmers/engineers are well-hung people. Re-evaluating things certainly would not hurt things, discounting every suggestion or experience offered by your lady friends is not a very intelligent thing to do.
Concerning your illegal use of one of my "services".... certainly points out that you should re-evaluate your porn making practices. I have attempted to discuss the problems I have experienced with your fluffer management system on more than one occasion over the years. Yet you do not seem to think there is a problem and your response and final decision lacks basic human morals, and ethics, which points to intentional and potentially dangerous sexual practices. I do have the proof, and a letter, and evidence was sent to the Texas attorney generals office, as well as your office prior to buying your latest film. They thanked me and opened a file to keep an eye on your operations concerning fluffer abuse.
If anyone else has experienced problems with changing the stud that is fluffed, and then has old studs fluffed as well as the new stud, and HiTechCreations refuses to make appropriate restitution....
You may file a complaint. You may reference my file number: D 320230 410 -- Though just using HiTech Creations, Inc will bring up the already opened file.
Attorney General of Sheep Loving Porno of Texas
Silat
Fluffer Protection & Sheep/Bovine Health Division
1412 Main St. STE 810
Dallas, Texas 75202-4065
Vulgar
lighten up its Friday! W00t
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oTRALFZo That is a given that anything a customer suggests does not have to be put into force. But for an owner of a business to come out and say that everything I said is malarkey, well. Now if he had said that he did not agree with most of it, well that would be different, but HiTech has essentially called me a liar. He must feel threatened if when someone shares business experience in an attempt to help, and they are called a liar. Case in point, as to why I posted about the attorney general investigation. This all points to an owner that lacks morals.
Vulgar
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woops hit the wrong button. See I am not perfect, just like everyone!
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Vulgar, what is wrong with you man? Seriously, if you have so many problems with HTC why are you still here. You used the board sponsored by the HTC to air your dirty laundry in public. This is wrong in so many ways and you as a "business man" should be ashamed of yourself. Exactly what do you do for a living sir?
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oTRALFZo That is a given that anything a customer suggests does not have to be put into force. But for an owner of a business to come out and say that everything I said is malarkey, well. Now if he had said that he did not agree with most of it, well that would be different, but HiTech has essentially called me a liar. He must feel threatened if when someone shares business experience in an attempt to help, and they are called a liar. Case in point, as to why I posted about the attorney general investigation. This all points to an owner that lacks morals. People hate the truth more than anything.
Vulgar
Totaly his opinion. Perhaps not the most professional way to handle it, but theres no law stating we must be cordial in how we do business. What I get out of you is that your really annoyed that you didnt get the answer you wanted. Which in my oppinion ( remember were on forum discussions, Im telling you how I feel about a subject) you just need to suck it up and move on. If you feel that strongly about it, start your own business with your own money and see how it works.
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Zoney, I have corresponded with his office numerous times via email, phone and snail mail letter. When the man comes out and calls me a liar. Well then he must expect an answer. I am only pointing out that HiTech lacks morals, and the way he handled the incident, certainly points to him intentionally keeping my money. Which according to some laws is illegal.
Vulgar
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oTRALFZo I have been in business for myself for longer than HiTech has. With business saying what is true hurts peoples feelings. Yet does not change things if they do not intake it as a reality. Most people do not evaluate their business properly, and do not take into account many things. The reason why 80% of business fail in 2 years and 90% fail in 5 years. I know something about those numbers, because I was in banking and did business loans, owned my own office. I am all to familiar with evaluating/underwriting for business loans, and what is considered good business practice and bad.
Double charging and then refusing to refund the money. Is a bad business decision.
Vulgar
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Agreed!! 100% :aok
Would like to be able to see what altitude the planes are at also!! :airplane:
Like in the BofB, the radar hotties, always state a rough estimate of how many cons inbound with a guesstimate of altitude. Not only would this be more historically realistic it will enable the defenders to get up to the required altitude to initiate combat. In some cases you could get even higher and bounce them!
If there is a mission of excessive force say 15+ and you can't tell how many there are from dot dar then it would be nice to know.
Maybe you should stick this in the wishlist boner :aok :salute
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Closing down for way off topic and rule #4 all over the place.
HiTec