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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: grumpy37 on August 17, 2010, 02:23:44 AM
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I guess ive finally just given up and realized that the reasons I have enjoyed playing the game are a thing of the past for the most part. What happened to flying for fun? Or for the challenge not just for the kill or to see your name in lights. Before you all go flame crazy I know a lot of you will say you have fun and thats fine, im glad you still do. Ive been reading a lot of the threads with posts from guys that have been playing as long as I have and we all, seems to be a small minority anymore, agree the game play itself just isnt what it use to be. The game has changed, the overall attitude of players has changed. I do remember back 10 years ago when i first started playing and players cared more about the fight itself and outflying their enemy not just spraying their cannons in a HOE and crossing their fingers. Ive played MW mostly for the last few years and up until 8 months ago or so it was a lot of fun. Granted i had taken about a year off from playing and was just excited to play again. Im now realizing that the style of play has been the same since i got back into it its just taken this long to really get on my nerves. I was playing tonight for example in MW. 5 bish, 3 nits. Our carrier was right off shore the nit base when i logged on and a somewhat decent fight was going on. I flew in, had a few good fights. After a few sorties a nit that had been shot down a few times, who also happens to have a low score, decides to get into the SB and fire at the carrier. I asked him why is he trying to kill the carrier we are having a fun fight. No answer so we moved the carrier out of range. He the upped bombers from 2 sectors away and left his 2 other countrymates in a 5v2 while he flew over and sank the carrier. I know its his 15 bucks and he can do what he wants and thats fine i guess but it killed our fun. Most guys logged off after that cause the bases are to far apart to really have fun fighting and the carrier right off shore was the perfect platform for both sides to have easy access and fairly short flight to fight.
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You need to play in some scenarios. (From my perspective having started playing multiplayer WWII air-combat sims in 1988, all you 10-year guys are newbs ;) ).
Come join us Saturday. If you show up at or before 3 pm Eastern Time in Special Events II Arena, you will get a plane to fly.
Get a taste for a whole other side to things.
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99.999% of the people here..including me..would jump..or tell someone to jump..into the SB and sink the carrier...immediately. if that's not understood here...yeah..the game must have changed.
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Grumpy, I hear what you are saying and I understand - and while things are of necessity different than they were a decade ago, a part of what you are feeling is simply "fatigue". Take a break, a long break if need be. Come back when the circle turns again, even if it's another year or two.
Did you by any chance participate in BaldEagl's dueling? That's a lot of fun and emphasizes the fight.
Lastly, and not to criticize, but how much were you guys working at making sure everyone enjoyed, and got a sense of "belonging" in the fight that you describe? With only 8 players on 10 years ago, the 5 or 6 old timers would have been extra careful that the newer player didn't feel overwhelmed.
He or she may well have "competed" the only way they could do so effectively, which was by taking out the carrier.
Just thoughts, take them for what they cost you.
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I was playing tonight for example in MW. 5 bish, 3 nits. Our carrier was right off shore the nit base when i logged on and a somewhat decent fight was going on. He the upped bombers from 2 sectors away and left his 2 other countrymates in a 5v2 while he flew over and sank the carrier.
You outnumbered the enemy almost 2 to 1 and let a guy come two sectors unopposed to sink your carrier?
Hope you got plenty of easy kills before you came here to complain about it.
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You outnumbered the enemy almost 2 to 1 and let a guy come two sectors unopposed to sink your carrier?
Hope you got plenty of easy kills before you came here to complain about it.
:rofl :aok
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If you've been around as long as I have, and paid attention, you will see that people go through distinct "phases" in their AH career. Those may change somewhat for the individual, and the timing may be different. But looking at someone from the outside its fairly easy to see.
As you mature, learn ACM, grow in skill, how you play the game changes.
The faster you learn and adapt the faster those changes happen.
I've seen truly gifted top sticks go from newb to burned out vet in under 2 years.
Squad involvement, active involvement in AvA, or FSO, or Scenarios can add luster back to what has otherwise faded and lost its attraction.
If you have truly lost the "itch" then its time for a break. When you come back, I'd suggest trying all the new things you can think of. Or setting yourself goals, like how many kills you can get in 1 tour in a Spit 1, etc.
Some people seem to get locked into one part of AH and never really get good at some of the other parts.
Be it furballs, or base attack, or GVing, or whatever. So take a break, stay away until the "itch" comes back.
And when you do come back, make sure you've tried it all.
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99.999% of the people here..including me..would jump..or tell someone to jump..into the SB and sink the carrier...immediately. if that's not understood here...yeah..the game must have changed.
I think that's his main point.
- oldman
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99.999% of the people here..including me..would jump..or tell someone to jump..into the SB and sink the carrier...immediately. if that's not understood here...yeah..the game must have changed.
case and point. That's the typical attitude of alot of the player base now.
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Grumpy, I hear what you are saying and I understand - and while things are of necessity different than they were a decade ago, a part of what you are feeling is simply "fatigue". Take a break, a long break if need be. Come back when the circle turns again, even if it's another year or two.
Did you by any chance participate in BaldEagl's dueling? That's a lot of fun and emphasizes the fight.
Lastly, and not to criticize, but how much were you guys working at making sure everyone enjoyed, and got a sense of "belonging" in the fight that you describe? With only 8 players on 10 years ago, the 5 or 6 old timers would have been extra careful that the newer player didn't feel overwhelmed.
He or she may well have "competed" the only way they could do so effectively, which was by taking out the carrier.
Just thoughts, take them for what they cost you.
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We were trying to keep it 1v1 from our side. We didnt gang up 2v1 or 3v1. It was just the one player that felt the need to sink the carrier and end the fun
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I think that's his main point.
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case and point. That's the typical attitude of alot of the player base now.
Exactly, you both understood the post. :aok
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You need to play in some scenarios. (From my perspective having started playing multiplayer WWII air-combat sims in 1988, all you 10-year guys are newbs ;) ).
Come join us Saturday. If you show up at or before 3 pm Eastern Time in Special Events II Arena, you will get a plane to fly.
Get a taste for a whole other side to things.
I will try that if my time permits. Its hard for me to schedual time to play, its usually at night after kids are asleep and need to unwind but i appreciate the offer!
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Some people log on and see a carrier off their base and immediately try to sink it - many times without taking a minute to see if the town's been hit, or if there has been any shore bombardment at all. Then there are those who die a lot when they try to join in the fun of a purely air to air battle, so decide to kill everyone else's fun.
I can relate to Grumpy's frustration and lack of enthusiasm, as I had hit the wall a while ago. But, I found some new guys, flew against them, flew with them, and recruited them into my squad. Seeing the game through their new eyes rekindled the enthusiasm and excitement I felt when I was a new guy.
This game is what you make of it. If it gets boring or frustrating, you must ask yourself why. Then you must ask yourself what can you do to change your state of mind. It could be as easy as changing arenas or picking a new plane to get good in. It could be to just fly around looking for a fight while talking to others in the arena, helping new guys with questions, practicing something you wanted to get better at, or just taking a leave of absence for a while.
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Maybe I need to join a squad again. Ive tried the new arena, different planes. That was fun and different for a short time but in reality it was still the same "game".
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You outnumbered the enemy almost 2 to 1 and let a guy come two sectors unopposed to sink your carrier?
Hope you got plenty of easy kills before you came here to complain about it.
Blooz summed it up nicely...
From my perspective your comment shows just how much the game has changed and how your attitude contributes to it.
Basically your capping an enemy field with your carrier ack and have a 2-1+ advantage so all is good? Reads as we had a good thing going and were to buzy semi vulching the uppers to protect our carrier. Some guy in a set of buffs saw what was going on and upped to take out the CV capping the field. I didn't want to give up my chance for some easy kills and the other guys wouldn't do there job of clearing my 6 and/or protecting the carrier so the guy sunk the CV and now I may actually have to earn my kills so I'm pissed the other guys let this buff driver piss in my cheerios...
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99.999% of the people here..including me..would jump..or tell someone to jump..into the SB and sink the carrier...immediately. if that's not understood here...yeah..the game must have changed.
If they weren't going for the town, bombarding the base, vulching or trying to pork, I personally wouldn't. But then again, I've got that furball looking for a good fight mentality.
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The game is what you make of it. In other words: If you aren't having fun, and cannot manage to make any fun, then you probably need to move on to other things. If you get lonely and miss the game you will return, with a slightly evolved view of things, or not.
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Blooz summed it up nicely...
From my perspective your comment shows just how much the game has changed and how your attitude contributes to it.
Basically your capping an enemy field with your carrier ack and have a 2-1+ advantage so all is good? Reads as we had a good thing going and were to buzy semi vulching the uppers to protect our carrier. Some guy in a set of buffs saw what was going on and upped to take out the CV capping the field. I didn't want to give up my chance for some easy kills and the other guys wouldn't do there job of clearing my 6 and/or protecting the carrier so the guy sunk the CV and now I may actually have to earn my kills so I'm pissed the other guys let this buff driver piss in my cheerios...
No mobile cap device and no more ack to run to as I see it.... Remind me to not eat Cheerios at his house from now on.. :D
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It was just the one player that felt the need to sink the carrier and end the fun
He ended your fun because he probably wasn't having any fun.
He upped bombers and had some fun of his own.
Might be time to change your thinking that "your fun" isn't the only fun to be had.
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I understand 100% what ya saying grumpy. You can have the only fight on the map being a cv and a base and someone is gonna sink the cv. Now if the cv brids are taking the field I see no problem with the cv sinking...part of the game. Try to come in the WW1 arena grumpy. Ain't nothing but killing and dieing gong on in there.
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well said blooz. It seems like it should be obvious doesn't it. Still, we should carry our brothers over their difficulties.
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So Grumpy likes the furball and that's his idea of fun. Then someone who was getting owned in the dogfights sinks Grumpy's funboat, which was probably fun to the boat sinker. Now Grumpy isn't having any fun.
No offense Grumpy, but that sounds like a personal problem brought on by a lack of proper perspective. Inflexibility, failure to look beyond the horizon, inability to see beyond ones private walls, assigning responsibility of ones happiness to others...that's where all the "this isn't fun anymore" attitudes and subsequent whines originate.
Sometimes I wonder how many "old timers" around here are still wearing their polyester leisure suits, cowboy boots and mullets as stuck in the past as some appear to be.
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So Grumpy likes the furball and that's his idea of fun. Then someone who was getting owned in the dogfights sinks Grumpy's funboat, which was probably fun to the boat sinker. Now Grumpy isn't having any fun.
No offense Grumpy, but that sounds like a personal problem brought on by a lack of proper perspective. Inflexibility, failure to look beyond the horizon, inability to see beyond ones private walls, assigning responsibility of ones happiness to others...that's where all the "this isn't fun anymore" attitudes and subsequent whines originate.
Sometimes I wonder how many "old timers" around here are still wearing their polyester leisure suits, cowboy boots and mullets as stuck in the past as some appear to be.
:aok :salute
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He ended your fun because he probably wasn't having any fun.
He upped bombers and had some fun of his own.
Might be time to change your thinking that "your fun" isn't the only fun to be had.
And the fun does not stop there!
You can up fighters to kill the bombers trying to kill the CV...Fun!
You can up fighters to kill the fighters trying to kill the bombers trying to kill the CV...Fun!
You can attack the base that upped fighters trying to kill the fighters trying to kill the bombers trying to kill the CV...Fun!
And round she goes...
You are only limited by what you are willing to put into it. :aok
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I guess ive finally just given up and realized that the reasons I have enjoyed playing the game are a thing of the past for the most part. What happened to flying for fun? Or for the challenge not just for the kill or to see your name in lights. Before you all go flame crazy I know a lot of you will say you have fun and thats fine, im glad you still do. Ive been reading a lot of the threads with posts from guys that have been playing as long as I have and we all, seems to be a small minority anymore, agree the game play itself just isnt what it use to be. The game has changed, the overall attitude of players has changed. I do remember back 10 years ago when i first started playing and players cared more about the fight itself and outflying their enemy not just spraying their cannons in a HOE and crossing their fingers. Ive played MW mostly for the last few years and up until 8 months ago or so it was a lot of fun. Granted i had taken about a year off from playing and was just excited to play again. Im now realizing that the style of play has been the same since i got back into it its just taken this long to really get on my nerves. I was playing tonight for example in MW. 5 bish, 3 nits. Our carrier was right off shore the nit base when i logged on and a somewhat decent fight was going on. I flew in, had a few good fights. After a few sorties a nit that had been shot down a few times, who also happens to have a low score, decides to get into the SB and fire at the carrier. I asked him why is he trying to kill the carrier we are having a fun fight. No answer so we moved the carrier out of range. He the upped bombers from 2 sectors away and left his 2 other countrymates in a 5v2 while he flew over and sank the carrier. I know its his 15 bucks and he can do what he wants and thats fine i guess but it killed our fun. Most guys logged off after that cause the bases are to far apart to really have fun fighting and the carrier right off shore was the perfect platform for both sides to have easy access and fairly short flight to fight.
ya should've turned the carrier.
that being said, it's kinda harder to find a good fight in mw than it was a year ago....but when ya do, it is welllll worth it.
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A typical Saturday morning when I was 8 years old:
Max: Mommy there's nothing to do.
Mommy: Max go outside and play.
Max: Mommy there's no one to play with.
Mommy: Then go FIND some one to play with.
Max: Mommy when is lunch gonna be ready?
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99.999% of the people here..including me..would jump..or tell someone to jump..into the SB and sink the carrier...immediately. if that's not understood here...yeah..the game must have changed.
that would be acceptable, IF they were trying to capture the base....if they were shelling the field or town. if there was just a fight in the middle.....no reason to eliminate the carrier.
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that would be acceptable, IF they were trying to capture the base....if they were shelling the field or town. if there was just a fight in the middle.....no reason to eliminate the carrier.
Nope.No reason other than to pad the score.But the little score ho's in here dont see it that way. I pretty much only fly the FSO's now so all that MA issues are not in the wash. Its gotten to the point in MA that there are more face shots than the entire pron industry.
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Its gotten to the point in MA that there are more face shots than the entire pron industry.
I have a feeling that will be appearing in someone's sig line in 3...2...1.... :uhoh
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Nope.No reason other than to pad the score.But the little score ho's in here dont see it that way. I pretty much only fly the FSO's now so all that MA issues are not in the wash. Its gotten to the point in MA that there are more face shots than the entire pron industry.
"Doc, when did you get back into town?" :devil
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Hiya karaya :aok Havnt been flying much other than FSO's and a little seat time on Fridays to get used to the ballistics of the new ride.how ya been buddy? :salute
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Hiya karaya :aok Havnt been flying much other than FSO's and a little seat time on Fridays to get used to the ballistics of the new ride.how ya been buddy? :salute
Great, the pot's being stirred while you're out gallivanting. So far there is no burnt chili on the bottom of the pot. :airplane:
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Great, the pot's being stirred while you're out gallivanting. So far there is no burnt chili on the bottom of the pot. :airplane:
Oh thank cod. I always ended up with that burned little chicken finger sized strip of bottom chili. God to know it wont happen this time.
On a side note,I planted a small herb garden this year and the Jalapinos are going ape dooky. Cut some up for a cheeze dip and couldnt get that damned oil off my fingers for anything. A cook should remember to wear the plastic gloves lol.
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It is really quite simple. You want to improve the quality of game play you are going to have to accept the fact that the maps need to be small maps and the total number of people in any arena really should not exceed more than 40 per side (given the three side set up of AH) or 120 peeps tops. You get 250-350 people on a giant map and most of the fighting will be in two or three spots and will be way too many players for any sort of quality. the fighting gets desperate and frantic and people get rude and frustrated. This results in crap game play.
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You get 250-350 people on a giant map and most of the fighting will be in two or three spots and will be way too many players for any sort of quality. the fighting gets desperate and frantic and people get rude and frustrated. This results in crap game play.
Hmmmm, sounds like HTC's reason for the LW arena split and dynamic caps. :aok
...and the reason I generally stay out of LW altogether.
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It is really quite simple. You want to improve the quality of game play you are going to have to accept the fact that the maps need to be small maps and the total number of people in any arena really should not exceed more than 40 per side (given the three side set up of AH) or 120 peeps tops. You get 250-350 people on a giant map and most of the fighting will be in two or three spots and will be way too many players for any sort of quality. the fighting gets desperate and frantic and people get rude and frustrated. This results in crap game play.
Isn't 'crap game play' kind of subjective? 'Desperate and frantic' can be a lot of fun.
Now I will grant the point, 1v1 is fun. A few on a few, say 5v5 or so is fun. However, I am also quite fond of being in those big, disorganized furballs. It's more random than the small engagements, which adds to the fun trying not to get into a position to get gangbanged and if so, fighting your way out. I like the fact that you can only plan so far into the engagement as compared to a 1v1 or a small group engagement.
It's nothing to do with score mongering, it's just the kind of fight I like. YMMV, just saying it seems quite a few people seem to like horde on horde action. What I hate is when I up toward a giant swarm of enemy dots, and by the time I get there, it's all green icons. That's probably the single most frustrating thing in the game for me.
Wiley.
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In a nut shell,the more people there are in an arena the less you know about who your fighting for the most part. When ya know who your up against,it makes it a whole nuther subject.You tend to show more fairness to those you know,as you know how they are going to fight you.
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I don't worry about fair in any form. Maybe that's why I don't worry about what others snobbishly view as dweeb behavior. I know at any point in time there is going to be some truly stupid argument on 200 culminating in "let's go DA", and that dweeb behavior is to be expected between 6 p.m. til 9 p.m. when the kids are kicked off the computers.
Anyone who really wants fair is flying AvA or making up funny rules for 1v1 in the DA.
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Hmmmm, sounds like HTC's reason for the LW arena split and dynamic caps. :aok
...and the reason I generally stay out of LW altogether.
know why i stay outta lw?
i ventured in there a couple of weeks ago. saw a big battle going on, so i launched out of a9, climbed to 10k, figuring i'd be slightly high, or co-alt. i spotted multiple cons that i guessed were about 17k. climbed to that alt, they were still way over me. 22k, i finally got co-alt to them. only one was willing to fight....a p47. we merged, the fight lasted for a minute or so, and i finally got a good shot at his wing root.....fight over.
by this time we were back down to 10k. i level for speed, look around, and see a corsair a few k above me, and closing. i ditch my tanks, and turn into him. he climbs back up, and did nothing else. never came closer than 2.5k.
i headed up to v10 where the fight was raging, and found some low cons......and although outnumbered, had a niki warp somethign fierce......then got ho'd. i tried to dodge, but didn't make it, and he took my tail off.
good enough reasons to avoid lw.
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That's the distinction that causes so much strife on the forums and in game. There are those who expect/desire fairness and soforth, and those who don't, wanting more chaos and more of an 'if I can, I will' approach. I think that's a pretty clear delineation. It'd be nice if Orange could be for one type and Blue the other. Sadly, that's just not possible to enforce.
I know myself, when someone grumbles on 200 about someone breaking up a 1v1 the question that always rises in my mind is why are they playing an open multiplayer game if they desire 2 player gameplay?
Wiley.
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That's the distinction that causes so much strife on the forums and in game. There are those who expect/desire fairness and soforth, and those who don't, wanting more chaos and more of an 'if I can, I will' approach. I think that's a pretty clear delineation. It'd be nice if Orange could be for one type and Blue the other. Sadly, that's just not possible to enforce.
I know myself, when someone grumbles on 200 about someone breaking up a 1v1 the question that always rises in my mind is why are they playing an open multiplayer game if they desire 2 player gameplay?
Wiley.
just so i'm not misinterpreted.......i wasn't upset that that corsair was up above me. i wanted to fight him,,,,,,,otherwise i'd have dove for the deck. it actually pissed me off that he was afraid of a 1-1 with a lower and slower p-38.
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just so i'm not misinterpreted.......i wasn't upset that that corsair was up above me. i wanted to fight him,,,,,,,otherwise i'd have dove for the deck. it actually pissed me off that he was afraid of a 1-1 with a lower and slower p-38.
Perhaps he was debating the outcome of a good old head on shot
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Perhaps he was debating the outcome of a good old head on shot
by pointing his nose away from me? when i had just finished a fight, and was somewhat slow?
nah.....he was setting up to pick, and seeing that he lost that opportunity, chose to protect however many kills he had.
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while we are at it: another reason I avoid LW like the plague is because of the heavy armament on all the late war rides. There really isn't much you can do past the first error. In MW and especially EW and WW1 you can recover from an error and still prevail. you can also recover from an error having the upper hand and then lose it again...and still reverse and prevail, sometimes. In LW you make your first error and are bracketed with 15-25 rounds of high velocity 20mm hispanos and the sortie is over. This is the sort of thing that generates so many of the desperation shots at the very onset of the fight. People enter the fight already desperate and take the most drastic measures immediately, like the face shot. This is the sort of pure desperation bred by the uber rides and high lethality of LW. Throw in the massive overpopulation of these LW arenas and there is your fun killing poison.
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But Yeager, Grumpy was complaining that there was no one to fight in the MW and the one fight they had was squashed by a bomtard.
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I don't worry about fair in any form. Maybe that's why I don't worry about what others snobbishly view as dweeb behavior. I know at any point in time there is going to be some truly stupid argument on 200 culminating in "let's go DA", and that dweeb behavior is to be expected between 6 p.m. til 9 p.m. when the kids are kicked off the computers.
Anyone who really wants fair is flying AvA or making up funny rules for 1v1 in the DA.
You're calling other people snobs?? :lol
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CAP1- Sorry if I came across like that I didn't mean it that way. I would've been perturbed too. I was just commenting on the people who are in the middle of a furball or near an enemy field getting uptight when another bandit comes along and attacks them, or they expect everyone to just leave 'their' con alone in the middle of the furball. That part of my post wasn't directed at your comment.
Wiley.
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You're calling other people snobs?? :lol
Yeah, what's your point?
I take it you don't like my use of common sense and pointing out the lack of common sense...best advice I can offer is, get smarter.
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case and point. That's the typical attitude of alot of the player base now.
thus my 99.999%
the game evolved into what the obvious majority like. everything changes guys. I understand the OP's point..and his frustration. That's why I called for a "skilled aces" Arena...for reasons of loss of older vets due to attrition.
there's always gonna be a purist attitude about things you've enjoyed for a long time. I don't watch TV anymore..commercial tv anyway..for many of the reasons the OP brings up. it happens.
A "skilled Aces" arena..that was invite only..with inclusion predicated on a mix of longevity/talent...could prevent the loss of many people I see here leaving. I don't enjoy seeing old timers leave..but I understand trends.
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Yeah, what's your point?
I take it you don't like my use of common sense and pointing out the lack of common sense...best advice I can offer is, get smarter.
No thanks, take your own advice. I'm simply pointing out the irony of you calling others snobs.
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The game is what you make of it. In other words: If you aren't having fun, and cannot manage to make any fun, then you probably need to move on to other things. If you get lonely and miss the game you will return, with a slightly evolved view of things, or not.
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THIS
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No thanks, take your own advice.
I have a picnic basket for you. :neener:
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I have a picnic basket for you. :neener:
Is it a "Longaburger" basket? mrs zetanine collects those...
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Is it a "Longaburger" basket? mrs zetanine collects those...
It looks like a "Burger King" basket :D
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No thanks, take your own advice.
I have. Perhaps it's a lifestyle beyond your capacity...
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I have. Perhaps it's a lifestyle beyond your capacity...
Thanks for proving my point :lol
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Thanks for proving my point :lol
You never made a point, and I specifically asked.
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You never made a point, and I specifically asked.
Point: A snob accussing others of being snobs. That wasn't so difficult was it?
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I feel like I'm riding the bus, in 7th grade.
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I feel like I'm riding the bus, in 7th grade.
There's a seat next to me :aok
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CAP1- Sorry if I came across like that I didn't mean it that way. I would've been perturbed too. I was just commenting on the people who are in the middle of a furball or near an enemy field getting uptight when another bandit comes along and attacks them, or they expect everyone to just leave 'their' con alone in the middle of the furball. That part of my post wasn't directed at your comment.
Wiley.
dude.....you've got nothing to apologize for.
as for furballing......i don't get pissed if someone "steals" my kill. in fact, my gunnery sucks so badly, that i expect it. i simply distract the red guys, and the green guys come in and pop em. :rofl :rofl
but i do see your point.
generally, when i try to do a 1-1, i either follow the con to a place away from others, or try to get him to follow me....
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If a number of players want to enjoy furballing from close bases and their carrier is sunk why not go to the DA and continue the fight there as long as you're just flying for fun?
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If a number of players want to enjoy furballing from close bases and their carrier is sunk why not go to the DA and continue the fight there as long as you're just flying for fun?
That is easy... F3 view is available, perk rides are the norm, and they actually allow squads to fly- err gang bang in there.
If those three things were changed, it would be furball utopia.
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My only complaint is with the players. It seems lately that most everyone I've ran into will run away if they don't have at least one friendly to help them. I'll find a guy out by himself and engage and he'll run straight for help.
They other half of the guys don't even attempt to merge....just come in guns blazing. If and when I decide to put my flight stick in the closet, it'll be because of the players. I logged on this morning, upped a 38 and was engaged by a 51, spixteen, 190, and another 38. I had 2 in front and 2 behind me. Every single time I turned to get the cons off my six I was having to avoid the ho shoots from the other two.
I guess it's the protect your squaddie mentality...i don't know. Flying alone these days is brutal.
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Blooz summed it up nicely...
From my perspective your comment shows just how much the game has changed and how your attitude contributes to it.
Basically your capping an enemy field with your carrier ack and have a 2-1+ advantage so all is good? Reads as we had a good thing going and were to buzy semi vulching the uppers to protect our carrier. Some guy in a set of buffs saw what was going on and upped to take out the CV capping the field. I didn't want to give up my chance for some easy kills and the other guys wouldn't do there job of clearing my 6 and/or protecting the carrier so the guy sunk the CV and now I may actually have to earn my kills so I'm pissed the other guys let this buff driver piss in my cheerios...
actually no you either didnt understand what i wrote or i didnt explain it correctly. we had the carrier far enough off shore so we could all fight out of carrier and field ack. We didnt even deack the town just having fun furballing without having to fly 2 sectors between deaths.
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So Grumpy likes the furball and that's his idea of fun. Then someone who was getting owned in the dogfights sinks Grumpy's funboat, which was probably fun to the boat sinker. Now Grumpy isn't having any fun.
No offense Grumpy, but that sounds like a personal problem brought on by a lack of proper perspective. Inflexibility, failure to look beyond the horizon, inability to see beyond ones private walls, assigning responsibility of ones happiness to others...that's where all the "this isn't fun anymore" attitudes and subsequent whines originate.
Sometimes I wonder how many "old timers" around here are still wearing their polyester leisure suits, cowboy boots and mullets as stuck in the past as some appear to be.
wasnt really meant to be a whine, complaint or anything more then me just venting my frustration from the night. Im more then old enough to know the entire dynamic of the game and how it works. I know not every shares everyones sense of fun. Thats the hard part of posting on here and why i never really did over the years, to many people read to far into it or just like to poke fun.
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ya should've turned the carrier.
that being said, it's kinda harder to find a good fight in mw than it was a year ago....but when ya do, it is welllll worth it.
And thats why i was bummed that our good fight was ended by some guy either tired of getting killed or just being a dooosh.... :salute
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Nope.No reason other than to pad the score.But the little score ho's in here dont see it that way. I pretty much only fly the FSO's now so all that MA issues are not in the wash. Its gotten to the point in MA that there are more face shots than the entire pron industry.
maybe i should check into the FSO, dont really know much about it.
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My only complaint is with the players. It seems lately that most everyone I've ran into will run away if they don't have at least one friendly to help them. I'll find a guy out by himself and engage and he'll run straight for help.
They other half of the guys don't even attempt to merge....just come in guns blazing. If and when I decide to put my flight stick in the closet, it'll be because of the players. I logged on this morning, upped a 38 and was engaged by a 51, spixteen, 190, and another 38. I had 2 in front and 2 behind me. Every single time I turned to get the cons off my six I was having to avoid the ho shoots from the other two.
I guess it's the protect your squaddie mentality...i don't know. Flying alone these days is brutal.
:aok We have had our share of fun fights, and I agree with you 100000% about it being the players and not the game. I have a feeling most of the guys on the forum assume when the statement "the game has changed and not for the better" that the actual game itself is whats being slammed. From what ive read thats not the case at all, the game itself has changed for the better, its the players IMHO that have changed over the years.
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Anyone who really wants fair is... making up funny rules for 1v1 in the DA.
So you're saying a controlled merge in the DA to create a fair fight that starts on equal footing are "funny rules"? Join the next dueling ladder. Or are you one who always needs an advantage?
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So you're saying a controlled merge in the DA to create a fair fight that starts on equal footing are "funny rules"? Join the next dueling ladder. Or are you one who always needs an advantage?
You must be one of us "snobs" ;)
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I don't worry about fair in any form. Anyone who really wants fair is flying AvA or making up funny rules for 1v1 in the DA.
Man I wish I was good at this game. :cry
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My only complaint is with the players. It seems lately that most everyone I've ran into will run away if they don't have at least one friendly to help them. I'll find a guy out by himself and engage and he'll run straight for help.
They other half of the guys don't even attempt to merge....just come in guns blazing. If and when I decide to put my flight stick in the closet, it'll be because of the players. I logged on this morning, upped a 38 and was engaged by a 51, spixteen, 190, and another 38. I had 2 in front and 2 behind me. Every single time I turned to get the cons off my six I was having to avoid the ho shoots from the other two.
I guess it's the protect your squaddie mentality...i don't know. Flying alone these days is brutal.
Spot on Uptown. Typical scenerio I see every day here: Merge with con and 99.9999% chance if it is co-alt, he just goes nose down and runs for help. They gather 2 or 3 guys and suddenly find thier bravery. Flying alone most of these days, I have come to accept this and tried to counter it best I could as well as most merges with anyone will almost always result in the other guy spraying at 1k to your face.
Whats been erking me is that 2 or 3 of these engagments will sometimes result in me saying "F it, Im HOing everything that moves". Only contributing to the problem. Biggest change Ive seen through the years is that there are alot more people taking this game alot more seriously. More each day are concerned about score/rank, amount of real estate they own on the map or plan old tryin to pizz off the other guy.
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Yesterday am something that used to happen frequently occur ed. Myself and another knit fought two bish one v one for around a half hour. Other players in the area politely flew past giving us our space. After being hod and ganged for months... I agree there are too many win at all costs guys... it was awesome to have some good technical fights. I prefer to fly in the early am because many of the European pilots are on and many of them still display some style. With supersquads and entire countries collaborating sometimes you have little choice. Saturday am was a great example. The bulk of the bish were rolling bases. If you wanted a fight you had to fly into the cloud of red. Anywhere else the was nothing going on.
I agree grumpy. I go back to AW and even since coming into AH I think the attitude has changed.
Big <S> to Tongs and Harp for the fun fights.
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Is it a "Longaburger" basket? mrs zetanine collects those...
Mine too, I have a $80 tissue box holder basket in my bathroom :furious
I got to fly in an FSO a couple of weeks ago (after not participating in FSO for 6+mos), breathed new life into the game for me.
Try FSO or senarios sir :aok
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Spot on Uptown. Typical scenerio I see every day here: Merge with con and 99.9999% chance if it is co-alt, he just goes nose down and runs for help. They gather 2 or 3 guys and suddenly find thier bravery. Flying alone most of these days, I have come to accept this and tried to counter it best I could as well as most merges with anyone will almost always result in the other guy spraying at 1k to your face.
Whats been erking me is that 2 or 3 of these engagments will sometimes result in me saying "F it, Im HOing everything that moves". Only contributing to the problem. Biggest change Ive seen through the years is that there are alot more people taking this game alot more seriously. More each day are concerned about score/rank, amount of real estate they own on the map or plan old tryin to pizz off the other guy.
that's when i either log for the night, or take up a buff, and see how many people i can piss off.
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So you're saying a controlled merge in the DA to create a fair fight that starts on equal footing are "funny rules"? Join the next dueling ladder. Or are you one who always needs an advantage?
What's equal about a Spixteen against a C205? Yes, saying "fly what you want but you have to do blah, blah, blah..." is funny rules. Which is what generally happens in impromptu 1v1 duels in the DA. Your dueling ladder example is a different setup, not the same.
Man I wish I was good at this game. :cry
That's funny, I haven't even reached the level of good yet, but that's ok because my self esteem doesn't suffer for it, nor does any aspect of my life.
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cant even do it in the DA lol Had a good 1v1 going with another A6M. lasted a good 3 minutes. Could have had a kill shot but was having fun just flying around in circles, no hoes. Then I got picked. It will never end lol
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if you want to fly around in circles, zeke on zeke, just having fun doing that, then you really need to find a private place for you and your fellow zeke geek to play privately.
Isnt this obvious?
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if you want to fly around in circles, zeke on zeke, just having fun doing that, then you really need to find a private place for you and your fellow zeke geek to play privately.
Isnt this obvious?
Very helpful and insightful post. :headscratch:
The DA away from the lake is about as private as it gets until HTC gives us player rooms, isn't it.
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Between the Main Arena (everything goes, don't whine about ANYTHING for crying out loud), Scenarios (strategic simulation), Dueling Arena (small fights), KOTH, FSO, Snapshots, Air Racing, WWI, EW/MW, etc etc etc, seems like there's more than enough room for folks who want to fly a particular way to find a place to do it. Sure, maybe a no-strat / bombs do zero damage furball arena might be fun, but half the whines are about how people furball anyway, so what good would that actually do?
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I have a feeling the new H2H setup that they mentioned a while back, with the ability for player defined arenas or whatever it's going to be might allow the people who desire 2 player gameplay to be able to get it. Password protected, number capped arenas, only allowing the other guy in... I could see that becoming popular for those who want their dueling to be unimpeded by pickers.
I wonder what that will do to the Main Arena numbers though...
Wiley.
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What's equal about a Spixteen against a C205? Yes, saying "fly what you want but you have to do blah, blah, blah..." is funny rules. Which is what generally happens in impromptu 1v1 duels in the DA. Your dueling ladder example is a different setup, not the same.
Sounds like you've been at the wrong impromptu 1v1 duel sessions.
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Between the Main Arena (everything goes, don't whine about ANYTHING for crying out loud), Scenarios (strategic simulation), Dueling Arena (small fights), KOTH, FSO, Snapshots, Air Racing, WWI, EW/MW, etc etc etc, seems like there's more than enough room for folks who want to fly a particular way to find a place to do it. Sure, maybe a no-strat / bombs do zero damage furball arena might be fun, but half the whines are about how people furball anyway, so what good would that actually do?
??? Plenty of room ???
Yea, if it's one of the 3 Fridays a month or one of the Saturdays every 3 months. People need to stop equating " Special" events as equal to the every hour of every day main arena.
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Once you play long enough you will block out all the stuff you once thought was important and hope only to find a good fight 1 on 1. It may take 5 gangbangs to get there, but you just shrug it off and try again. Eventually you have a fight that keeps your excitement level up.
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if you want to fly around in circles, zeke on zeke, just having fun doing that, then you really need to find a private place for you and your fellow zeke geek to play privately.
Isnt this obvious?
LOL i was just pointing out that yet again some pick tard looking for any easy kill, in an arena that has no score, had to but in and ruin a good fight. I laughed more than anything. Wasnt really meant as a complaint.
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Mine too, I have a $80 tissue box holder basket in my bathroom :furious
my brother..I feel your pain.
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LOL i was just pointing out that yet again some pick tard looking for any easy kill, in an arena that has no score, had to but in and ruin a good fight. I laughed more than anything. Wasnt really meant as a complaint.
that's when you and the guy you were dueling hunt his bellybutton down, and see just how miserable you can make his night. :devil
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grumpy the best thing to do is leave that silly arena and join up with a squad that you would like being a part of.
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grumpy the best thing to do is leave that silly arena and join up with a squad that you would like being a part of.
Silly question I know but...how is joining a squad going to eliminate or otherwise prevent the behavior that is obviously the point of frustration?
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how often have you been in MW? i spent a lot of time there in the past and i know grumpy very well and i know exactly what he's talking about and i could take a very good guess who's he's talking about.
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how often have you been in MW? i spent a lot of time there in the past and i know grumpy very well and i know exactly what he's talking about and i could take a very good guess who's he's talking about.
Doesn't answer the question...
To answer yours I've been in there enough to know who you're referencing and being with squadmates doesn't solve the issue.
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ok very simple ahhhh new friends in game different things to do. i seen he was asking about the FSO. so it's to me that he's ready to move on.i knew i should've stayed out of here. should a PMed him.
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grumpy the best thing to do is leave that silly arena and join up with a squad that you would like being a part of.
you're still here? when ya gettin back into the game?
c'mon.....ya know ya can't resist.......resistance is futile.
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Silly question I know but...how is joining a squad going to eliminate or otherwise prevent the behavior that is obviously the point of frustration?
because sometimes some of us may fly cover for the 1-1?
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because sometimes some of us may fly cover for the 1-1?
You know just as well as I do that turns into something other than a 1v1. As Lazydog eluded to, sometimes it's a squad or butty group who spoil "the fun". Then it becomes a furball, then someone kills the fh or sinks the ship and "the fun" is over once again. It happens a lot in the LW arenas, not so often in the MW, but it happens. The thing is if that is the only thing that trips your trigger in AH, you are always going to be disappointed at some point or another. It is a self imposed limitation that when coupled with large numbers of people from various nations and cultures leads to all of the gripes, moans, whines, disagreements, etc... for exactly the reasons people have posted in this discussion and others like it. The only solution is not economically feasible for the company that created, hosts and maintains this game.
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hiya cap came back last friday .i stay in LW
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hiya cap came back last friday .i stay in LW
prolly better. mw was getting almost like fighting the soars in ew...........
i go in lw sometimes, although i ain't been in the cartoon air for nearly 2 weeks now....might log in tonight though
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You know just as well as I do that turns into something other than a 1v1. As Lazydog eluded to, sometimes it's a squad or butty group who spoil "the fun". Then it becomes a furball, then someone kills the fh or sinks the ship and "the fun" is over once again. It happens a lot in the LW arenas, not so often in the MW, but it happens. The thing is if that is the only thing that trips your trigger in AH, you are always going to be disappointed at some point or another. It is a self imposed limitation that when coupled with large numbers of people from various nations and cultures leads to all of the gripes, moans, whines, disagreements, etc... for exactly the reasons people have posted in this discussion and others like it. The only solution is not economically feasible for the company that created, hosts and maintains this game.
whelp....here's the deal. i vanished from the arenas for about 6 months. didn't do any forum posts, 'cause i'm not an attention potato.......just felt i needed a break, because virtually everything was pissing me off.
now that i've come back, it's much easier to deal with the schmucks, and make my own fun.
i do understand about some squads doing that though. in the 80th though, if i ask one of them to stay out, they stay out. if i ask em for help, they help. they're great guys, and really good to fly with. some have flown cover for me, some have simply flown as wingman, and given me tips as i fought, and sometimes when i ask for help, they wait till the red guy has me in my cartoon death throws, and then they swoop in for the kill. :rofl
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whelp....here's the deal. i vanished from the arenas for about 6 months. didn't do any forum posts, 'cause i'm not an attention potato.......just felt i needed a break, because virtually everything was pissing me off.
now that i've come back, it's much easier to deal with the schmucks, and make my own fun.
:salute Best way to handle it sir. :salute
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:salute Best way to handle it sir. :salute
:rofl :rofl :rofl
i just realized that the thingie built into this system doesn't like potato? i typed potato, and potato came out. i didn't think potato was really that bad......but i guess it is. :rofl
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prolly better. mw was getting almost like fighting the soars in ew...........
lol and i've been saying that for how long? :)
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lol and i've been saying that for how long? :)
yea yea yea.......i know. would you believe me if i told you it got a LOT worse?
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lol yes i would
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lol yes i would
i was just in there........head into a sector with enemy dar bar.........i'm high.....about 15,000 or so. here comes a 109 barreling in from about 17,000 to 18,000, doing over 400mph, guns blazing. one thing i've learned with the 38, is to use vertical, so i made my evasive in a climb. 2nd pass like that, and now we're co-alt when he comes back up. he tries to suck me into following him down, which i don't do, especially since he's trying to work the fight back towards a climbing 190. i turned south, gave him my 6, and time to climb back up, as i dragged away from the 190(towards friends, since there was now a ki61 climbing to us too). rolled 120, merged with him again, and established high ground again, and after the next re-merge, he headed out.
now i'm climbing away, checking fuel, blablabla.......here comes that 190 in....from a couple thousand aboe me again, but not as fast as the 109. same thing.......after a couple merges, he leaves the fight.
you know, and used to fly with the 109 driver....the 190 driver, i was VERY surprised to see who it was, as he's always been good fights.......guess they were in mw trying to harvest some perkies or something.
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That's nothing Cap, did you see the 5 Bish that were milkrunning? Tried to get an F6F to fight and he ran until a second F6F managed to join, then the first turd turns around and tries to face shoot me twice...second time I almost got the ram on him but missed. I was in a 109F4.
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how often have you been in MW? i spent a lot of time there in the past and i know grumpy very well and i know exactly what he's talking about and i could take a very good guess who's he's talking about.
:salute We have had a lot of fun fights against and with each other and I know that you know exactly where im coming from.
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The game has changed, the overall attitude of players has changed. I do remember back 10 years ago when i first started playing and players cared more about the fight itself and outflying their enemy not just spraying their cannons in a HOE and crossing their fingers.
Hop in a tank. You can't dweeb it up in a tank like you can in a fighter. Only thing you can do that really has a coresponding action in fighters is camp. I'm a big advocate of GV's, as I feel its a cleaner fight than it is in the air. You get repect from your opponent as long as you are in a tank that has a prayer of beating you.
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:salute Best way to handle it sir. :salute
yea, it just pisses me off that i'm old enough to think that way.
all the crap my grandparents told me would happen, is happening.......'cept for gaining weight......i've wieghed in the 160's since i was 26....i'm 48 now. :D
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how often have you been in MW? i spent a lot of time there in the past and i know grumpy very well and i know exactly what he's talking about and i could take a very good guess who's he's talking about.
sores 2? :noid
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:uhoh
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That's nothing Cap, did you see the 5 Bish that were milkrunning? Tried to get an F6F to fight and he ran until a second F6F managed to join, then the first turd turns around and tries to face shoot me twice...second time I almost got the ram on him but missed. I was in a 109F4.
yea, i've seen that happen too. when it does, i call on channel and get people heading my way, and i try to drag em to my buddies, all the while letting them think they're about to gangrape this p-38. :devil
if they don't see em till it's too late, then we have a nice lil furball, even if it is only for a few minutes.
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:uhoh
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:neener:
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sores 2? :noid
lol no down to the person
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Ive dropped in the last few nights and MW was basically dead. Too bad the big nit squad wasn't rolling bases because that is always a guarantee of a good fight, for me at least. I love fighting those guys.
Always too much whining going on. whine about this, whine about that. People might not think they are whining but that's always what it boils down to. "Some dweeb" ruined my fun. wha!
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Ive dropped in the last few nights and MW was basically dead. Too bad the big nit squad wasn't rolling bases because that is always a guarantee of a good fight, for me at least. I love fighting those guys.
Always too much whining going on. whine about this, whine about that. People might not think they are whining but that's always what it boils down to. "Some dweeb" ruined my fun. wha!
i know who you're referencing, and some of the guys in there are good fights. most of them tend to ho, run to the gang or ack, or just run away if they're alone. it's ashame, 'cause that squad used to be pretty cool.....till the bottom feeders started joining. :noid
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I guess ive finally just given up and realized that the reasons I have enjoyed playing the game are a thing of the past for the most part. What happened to flying for fun? Or for the challenge not just for the kill or to see your name in lights. Before you all go flame crazy I know a lot of you will say you have fun and thats fine, im glad you still do. Ive been reading a lot of the threads with posts from guys that have been playing as long as I have and we all, seems to be a small minority anymore, agree the game play itself just isnt what it use to be. The game has changed, the overall attitude of players has changed. I do remember back 10 years ago when i first started playing and players cared more about the fight itself and outflying their enemy not just spraying their cannons in a HOE and crossing their fingers. Ive played MW mostly for the last few years and up until 8 months ago or so it was a lot of fun. Granted i had taken about a year off from playing and was just excited to play again. Im now realizing that the style of play has been the same since i got back into it its just taken this long to really get on my nerves. I was playing tonight for example in MW. 5 bish, 3 nits. Our carrier was right off shore the nit base when i logged on and a somewhat decent fight was going on. I flew in, had a few good fights. After a few sorties a nit that had been shot down a few times, who also happens to have a low score, decides to get into the SB and fire at the carrier. I asked him why is he trying to kill the carrier we are having a fun fight. No answer so we moved the carrier out of range. He the upped bombers from 2 sectors away and left his 2 other countrymates in a 5v2 while he flew over and sank the carrier. I know its his 15 bucks and he can do what he wants and thats fine i guess but it killed our fun. Most guys logged off after that cause the bases are to far apart to really have fun fighting and the carrier right off shore was the perfect platform for both sides to have easy access and fairly short flight to fight.
I've only been here since feb. 09 and I can already tell some changes in the wrong direction. Flying for the fight is short come anymore and you have to search to long to even find a decent fight. I'm with you bud If it wasnt for SDL/Squadmates/Koths it wouldn't be any fun to me anymore.
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i know who you're referencing, and some of the guys in there are good fights. most of them tend to ho, run to the gang or ack, or just run away if they're alone. it's ashame, 'cause that squad used to be pretty cool.....till the bottom feeders started joining. :noid
Ho'ing, running to squaddies or ack, or just running, is simply a part of the mechanics of human behavior when in a win or lose fight and I have zero problem with that. No whining!
The thing about the bottom feeders is a valid observation until you actually play the game with them instead of against them. To a T they are all fun to play the game with. I used to hate that LW squad in MW because I always ended up butting heads with them in chat. Once you switch sides and play "with" them they are just like everyone else, good people.
In all my years playing MMOs I have encountered only one person that was truly a terrible individual, someone I suspect is either dead today, incarcerated, or institutionalized. I know he is no longer in THIS game.
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Ho'ing, running to squaddies or ack, or just running, is simply a part of the mechanics of human behavior when in a win or lose fight and I have zero problem with that. No whining!
The thing about the bottom feeders is a valid observation until you actually play the game with them instead of against them. To a T they are all fun to play the game with. I used to hate that LW squad in MW because I always ended up butting heads with them in chat. Once you switch sides and play "with" them they are just like everyone else, good people.
In all my years playing MMOs I have encountered only one person that was truly a terrible individual, someone I suspect is either dead today, incarcerated, or institutionalized. I know he is no longer in THIS game.
i did used to fly with them. :devil
lazy knows, and spent a LOT of time trying to tell me.......i didn't pay any mind........then it finally hit home one day......i left the squad on good terms, 'cause i like the older members a lot, and hold them in pretty high respect. my primary reason for leaving was to fly with like minded doods in the ole 38 o doom......secondary was the bottom feeders coming into the squad.
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Ahh! got it ;)
I could never play in a plane specific, or allied/axis specific squad. Simply too many great and interesting rides to get drilled into just one. The 38G is by far the best overall plane in MW. It is a LOT of fun to play in.
PM me the bottom feeders, maybe Im missing something.
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mw at 1 time was the best place to find good fights.now it turned into what time of the day it is and what shift is running the map .the rooks and the bish always wanna play catch-up when the knits are low numbers.the arena was coming back when the playmates went to LW yes the numbers we're low but the fights we're coming back to the way they we're. and i'm really sorry for starting the whole hurri thing in mw .but i had my reasons :cheers:
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mw at 1 time was the best place to find good fights.now it turned into what time of the day it is and what shift is running the map .the rooks and the bish always wanna play catch-up when the knits are low numbers.the arena was coming back when the playmates went to LW yes the numbers we're low but the fights we're coming back to the way they we're. and i'm really sorry for starting the whole hurri thing in mw .but i had my reasons :cheers:
yea!! 'cause you're a hotard alt monkey cherrypickin spy!!!!!!
:noid :noid :noid :noid :neener:
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oops....forgot side switching. :neener: :rofl :neener:
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lol
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Ahh! got it ;)
I could never play in a plane specific, or allied/axis specific squad. Simply too many great and interesting rides to get drilled into just one. The 38G is by far the best overall plane in MW. It is a LOT of fun to play in.
PM me the bottom feeders, maybe Im missing something.
i'll hit ya with that later tonight, when i have time to stop screwing off, and being a general ass. :D :aok
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oops....forgot side switching. :neener: :rofl :neener:
Some things never change, CAP giving lazy all sorts of grief.
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Some things never change, CAP giving lazy all sorts of grief.
i'm innocent i tells ya!!!! INNOCENT!!!!
that was me evil twin half brother half sister half werewolf. :noid
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i know who you're referencing, and some of the guys in there are good fights. most of them tend to ho, run to the gang or ack, or just run away if they're alone. it's ashame, 'cause that squad used to be pretty cool.....till the bottom feeders started joining. :noid
:aok It is sad because i flew with them from time to time in the past if bish had no one on, now I will log off before even thinking about switching nit. In fact i switch to rook for the sole purpose to try and stop the horde. But if certain players are on I dont even bother because I know all they do is pick, hoe and run....
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mw at 1 time was the best place to find good fights.now it turned into what time of the day it is and what shift is running the map .the rooks and the bish always wanna play catch-up when the knits are low numbers.the arena was coming back when the playmates went to LW yes the numbers we're low but the fights we're coming back to the way they we're. and i'm really sorry for starting the whole hurri thing in mw .but i had my reasons :cheers:
I miss you and your black hurri of death lol, some of my favorite fights in MW :salute and your right, MW was making a huge turn for the better as far as fight quality was concerned while they were gone, to bad they came back. Minus a few, i do have respect for Incrypt and few other long time members.
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I miss you and your black hurri of death lol, some of my favorite fights in MW :salute and your right, MW was making a huge turn for the better as far as fight quality was concerned while they were gone, to bad they came back. Minus a few, i do have respect for Incrypt and few other long time members.
i think maybe i'll put something up in our squad forum, seeing if i can lure some squaddies into mw.......enough of us, split between sides should make for some fun fights, and maybe seeing more numbers, more fun seekers will come in again.