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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: bagrat on October 27, 2010, 08:13:10 PM
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first of all :cry :cry :cry I try not to whine often but c'mon now.
I was tryin to perk farm today in a p-40b, not the most intimidating plane as it is only armed with 4x.303 and 2x.50 cals. To my surprise La-7's, P-51's, Spit16 were still running from me without another greeny for an entire sector! screw em Ill continue on to the enemy base to see if anybody actually plays this game to dogfight, 6 red cons pop up on screen and guess who finally got the balls to fight now that the odds are 7v1. This scenario was repeated numerous times today.
Dam man if your gonna run fine! Dont come back an BnZ me while im already fighting with 3 or 4 planes!
Also I get into a 2v1 a couple of times and once i shoot one down the other guy runs....quality AH
A result of worrying about worthless score? maybe, but dam how are people gonna run from a 1v1 against a p-40b. I wonder if getting rid of worthless score would cause people to worry a little less about dieing.
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Some people are stupid, they think that running to the base ack helps. It really just wastes time. They want to protect their unperked plane and 0 kills, let them be stupid.
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A result of worrying about worthless score? maybe, but dam how are people gonna run from a 1v1 against a p-40b. I wonder if getting rid of worthless score would cause people to worry a little less about dieing.
Getting rid of score won't stop timid flying habits, a eunich will always be a eunich and nothing will make his little boys grow back.
ack-ack
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Dont think score is the only source of the problem.
Ive been noticing that same type of play day in and out and probably worse as of late. I would imagine flying timid would actually hurt more than help( would it kill your KPH?)
I dont particulary "like" being in the tower after a 5 min climb and not firing a shot, but I expect to die every sortie. Landing kills is just a bonus.
Different strokes for different folks I guess. Ive seen guys in the stratosphere that never come down to fight, or even tease to want to fight. Theyll soon get bored
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if you want my advice bagrat, do what i do: with disadvantage, defend and reset position, never chase unless in gun range
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first of all :cry :cry :cry I try not to whine often but c'mon now.
I was tryin to perk farm today in a p-40b, not the most intimidating plane as it is only armed with 4x.303 and 2x.50 cals. To my surprise La-7's, P-51's, Spit16 were still running from me without another greeny for an entire sector! screw em Ill continue on to the enemy base to see if anybody actually plays this game to dogfight, 6 red cons pop up on screen and guess who finally got the balls to fight now that the odds are 7v1. This scenario was repeated numerous times today.
Dam man if your gonna run fine! Dont come back an BnZ me while im already fighting with 3 or 4 planes!
Also I get into a 2v1 a couple of times and once i shoot one down the other guy runs....quality AH
A result of worrying about worthless score? maybe, but dam how are people gonna run from a 1v1 against a p-40b. I wonder if getting rid of worthless score would cause people to worry a little less about dieing.
Was fun when they were fightin though!! had a blast!! <S> Bagrat
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Was fun when they were fightin though!! had a blast!! <S> Bagrat
back at ya man <S>, with this guy as a wing man those 2V5's were way more survivable. We actually dominated the horde for a little while. I look forward to flying with ya! :salute
if you want my advice bagrat, do what i do: with disadvantage, defend and reset position, never chase unless in gun range
:aok advice taken, problem is im heading to the enemy base to find a fight and the twit is running home. Even if I change angle about 30 degrees, just me heading within his general direction causes em to flee... It just seems to get some people to fight you need to create the illusion for them that you dont even know they are there so they can go for a BnZ attempt and once they know that u know they are there, c ya its time to go find a easier target.
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Well I'm not the bravest pilot out there to be sure, but I don't engage a con that has alt on me no matter what it is....*unless* I'm in a decent climbing ride like the K4 or the La7. The La could have taken you fairly easily if he were any kind of decent stick.
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I will die so many time in one night, because I could careless about my stats and score.
As long as i'm shooting at something im OK with it, also many players don't realize that fighting timid like that does not help them, it lets their enemy to set up a advantage on them.
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Then again, every time I've courageously engaged you in combat you've shot me down, Stokes. :salute
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I've wasted entire tanks of fuel chasing enemy cons all over hell just tryin to get a 1v1 or 2v1. The most frustrating thing is when they have a faster ride and turn on you as soon as you give up, then when you turn to fight they zoom past you the other direction, rinse repeat.
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In the DA today.
4 engagements, 4 runners.
IN THE FREAKIN DA!
3/4 tank of gas burned and not a shot fired. I was stupified. (as usual)
<S> Melvin
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if you want my advice bagrat, do what i do: with disadvantage, defend and reset position, never chase unless in gun range
this is where i am at right now Bat :rolleyes:
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first of all :cry :cry :cry I try not to whine often but c'mon now.
I was tryin to perk farm today in a p-40b, not the most intimidating plane as it is only armed with 4x.303 and 2x.50 cals. To my surprise La-7's, P-51's, Spit16 were still running from me without another greeny for an entire sector! screw em Ill continue on to the enemy base to see if anybody actually plays this game to dogfight, 6 red cons pop up on screen and guess who finally got the balls to fight now that the odds are 7v1. This scenario was repeated numerous times today.
Dam man if your gonna run fine! Dont come back an BnZ me while im already fighting with 3 or 4 planes!
Also I get into a 2v1 a couple of times and once i shoot one down the other guy runs....quality AH
A result of worrying about worthless score? maybe, but dam how are people gonna run from a 1v1 against a p-40b. I wonder if getting rid of worthless score would cause people to worry a little less about dieing.
wanna guess where that doesn't happen?
click the link in my sig. :aok
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wanna guess where that doesn't happen?
click the link in my sig. :aok
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:rofl :aok
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The only runners in the WW1 arena are the F2b's (and not always) but that's just their preferred fighting style, they always come back. So if anyone ever needs a fight fix, even if you see just one other player in there, you can be fairly sure of a warm welcome and a good old fashioned knock down drag out turn fight. You may not like the rides at first, after the WW2 a/c they may seem a little like toys, but they represent a brutal and visceral era of aerial combat which has it's own appeal. Imagine climbing into a real one and the whole toy thing soon goes away.
No flaps (apart from the torn fabric).
No retractable undercart (unless you catch it on the trees).
No parachutes (unless you do a parachute stall).
No WEP (unless you fart alot)
And with the open cockpits, everyone can hear you scream.
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dude if you up a p40 to perk farm dont complain if nobody wants to fight you. I wont attack a p40 1v1 either, unless i was in a p40 or a zero. you want to fight your way, other people fight theirs. look at how the ponies and fw's do their high speed circles then run.
semp
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In the DA today.
4 engagements, 4 runners.
IN THE FREAKIN DA!
3/4 tank of gas burned and not a shot fired. I was stupified. (as usual)
<S> Melvin
I wasn't running I was repositioning for a shot at the lake, when it HO'ed me.
Stupid Lake.
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dude if you up a p40 to perk farm dont complain if nobody wants to fight you. I wont attack a p40 1v1 either, unless i was in a p40 or a zero. you want to fight your way, other people fight theirs. look at how the ponies and fw's do their high speed circles then run.
semp
why not? Its not like it has incredible turning ability. It's pretty good but u don't need a zero to hang with it. Ill attack anything I could get within 800 yards of.
Also not attacking it is one thing but would you come back to attack it only if u had a handful of wing men with you?
wanna guess where that doesn't happen?
click the link in my sig. :aok
Yes always good fights in the AvA, if there were always people there, I would live in it.
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Oh... my...
wtg upping a p-40b. no reason for anything to run from one since they don't have to turn fight it (and it's not the best with it's under-powered engine) and simply e-fight it, or for the lesser pie-lets out there, BnZ it until someone runs out of gas/ammo, poof dead p-40b. :joystick:
as for the general idea of timid players... meh... those who can, do - those who can't, well... hordesuck and anklehump. :aok
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Ive had to change my choice of planes because if these runtards and fly plane that can 320 or faster on the deck! If I want to fly a fun airplane I have to go to DA or a mid or early war arena.
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...a eunich will always be a eunich and nothing will make his little boys grow back.
ack-ack
This is bad news for Flotsom.
:banana:
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dude if you up a p40 to perk farm dont complain if nobody wants to fight you. I wont attack a p40 1v1 either, unless i was in a p40 or a zero. you want to fight your way, other people fight theirs. look at how the ponies and fw's do their high speed circles then run.
semp
...and this is the problem with the arenas today. Why should it matter what the other guy is flying, other than using that information to decide HOW your going to fight him.
Why decide your NOT going to fight him? What have you got to loose, 5 minutes to fly back after you've lost? Your looking to waste that 5 minutes anyway trying to run away.
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.... Why should it matter what the other guy is flying, other than using that information to decide HOW your going to fight him.
Agree 100%, this is what determines someone that is good or someone that is good at gaming for score.
Unless you never attempt to find out what each plane can do vs another. having no advantage against a plane with advantage etc., you will stay in the rut of depending on others to set up a kill for you and forever be worthless alone.
I can probably guess what side the OP is talking about, there is a particular side that seems to exhibit this timidness I like to call the "all or none" crowd, which does this more than the other two sides as a whole, but that would be an entire different thread for discussion.
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7 v 1 and I'll bet they tried to HO you too Rat. Unfortunately, except when you run into one of the rare 'good guys', this has become the norm.
...and this is the problem with the arenas today. Why should it matter what the other guy is flying, other than using that information to decide HOW your going to fight him.
Why decide your NOT going to fight him? What have you got to loose, 5 minutes to fly back after you've lost? Your looking to waste that 5 minutes anyway trying to run away.
EXACTLY!
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why not? Its not like it has incredible turning ability. It's pretty good but u don't need a zero to hang with it. Ill attack anything I could get within 800 yards of.
Also not attacking it is one thing but would you come back to attack it only if u had a handful of wing men with you?
Yes always good fights in the AvA, if there were always people there, I would live in it.
we're working on that......there's generally a few in there around 8 or 9 eastern till about 11'ish eastern. normally, if i log in when there's no one there, i spend about 10 to 20 minutes blowing up crap, and some people come in.....then we has fights. :aok
::EDIT::
i added a link in my sig to the ava's webiste. check it out. there's a schedule page there, showing what the crew there is planning/setting up. you'd be pretty amazed atg how hard those guys are working. you should also see some of the new maps ranger is working on for us in there. if you join the website, they'll email with special events, and updates of the goings on. :aok
::EDIT 2::
check the screenshots in this thread.....they're a new terrain that ranger is working on......
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,298614.0.html
scroll down for close ups of the fields.........
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...and this is the problem with the arenas today. Why should it matter what the other guy is flying, other than using that information to decide HOW your going to fight him.
Why decide your NOT going to fight him? What have you got to loose, 5 minutes to fly back after you've lost? Your looking to waste that 5 minutes anyway trying to run away.
because they're afraid to lose a fight to a lesser airplane.
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Ive had to change my choice of planes because if these runtards and fly plane that can 320 or faster on the deck! If I want to fly a fun airplane I have to go to DA or a mid or early war arena.
It's sad but true. I've had to up Ponies and La-Las just to chased down all the runners. I can't believe how few folks will engage these days.
"people will fight their way..."
OK, it's a free country, but can anyone help me understand why flying round for 10 minutes toward an enemy base, then running from anything you see for another 10 minutes, meeting some friendlies and turning to re-engage only to compete with three friendlies all trying to get a ping on the same bandit, and flying back to base to land 1 assist...is a "way" that anyone would want to play the game? :rolleyes:
Challenge you're one of the people that play this "way". Can you explain why simply staying alive for long periods of time is a goal, even if it means not engaging anyone, ond/or flying around in a corner of the map where there are no cons? If that's the case, the Tower is the safest place to stay alive and has the added benefit of not waisting other people's time. I recommend hanging out in the tower and seeing if you can set a record for staying alive the longest.
The problem with this "way of playing" is that it is antithetical to the object of the game, and hence is very inconsiderate to those that waste time on you. You are not in a vaccuum. If you fly your plane out into the arena, people will invest time trying to engage you, because that's the object of the game. If your pupose was to lure them up to you, so you can run, than they do have a legitimate complaint about your "game play style".
When you play tennis, do you ask to serve first, then bounce the ball for 40 minutes "preparing to serve" until your opponent walks off, at which point you serve with his back to you and yell "10-luv" when he doesn't return it? Would you then pride yourself on never having lost a point in a tennis match? Don't you think the person you were playing, who paid for court time, and gave up time with their friends and family or Job to have a tennis match with you, would have it right in thinking you're a jack---?
People should play as if what their opponent's time and fun matters because it's a game. Sportsmanship is paramount. :salute
Vinkman
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In mind little mind the problem with a refusal to engage w/out securing every possible advantage of speed, numbers, alt, etc. is that It's ultimately going to be self defeating and preventing the player from moving on and developing a more rounded skill set. We all learn by doing, experience and repetition. I could read all the books I could get my hands on about ACM and air combat theory but until I go into the game and try it out I won't really learn and understand it.
If the goal is ultimately improve so that when faced with something less than the ideal situation the player will be able to handle it and emerge victorious than the only recourse is to put yourself in that situation and learn it. The problem is that for most of us, learning is oftentimes uncomfortable because we're facing a new scenario and haven't yet equipped ourselves with the tools to handle it. What that means in the game is violent cartoon death which can lead to real world frustration and anger. The trick becomes how to mix in enough success with the failures during the learning process to keep on going.
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I do feel your pain Bagrat, I have chased many to the ends of the Aces High earth myself. If they are below me I'll attack them. If they are above me, I'll press them until they come and fight or run. If they run, I don't chase. I just store the info in my SA mental picture and assume that they could become a threat again soon, and then move on to another red guy.
With that said, I must say I am beginning to embrace Grizzology*. A general feeling of it's their money. If they want to spend the night sight-seeing and not fighting, so be it. It's their way of having fun, and unfortunately it is not yours or mine.
:salute
Way
*Grizzology is a word that I have invented, but feel free to use it. It's not trademarked...Yet.:lol
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first of all :cry :cry :cry I try not to whine often but c'mon now.
I was tryin to perk farm today in a p-40b, not the most intimidating plane as it is only armed with 4x.303 and 2x.50 cals. To my surprise La-7's, P-51's, Spit16 were still running from me without another greeny for an entire sector! screw em Ill continue on to the enemy base to see if anybody actually plays this game to dogfight, 6 red cons pop up on screen and guess who finally got the balls to fight now that the odds are 7v1. This scenario was repeated numerous times today.
Dam man if your gonna run fine! Dont come back an BnZ me while im already fighting with 3 or 4 planes!
Also I get into a 2v1 a couple of times and once i shoot one down the other guy runs....quality AH
A result of worrying about worthless score? maybe, but dam how are people gonna run from a 1v1 against a p-40b. I wonder if getting rid of worthless score would cause people to worry a little less about dieing.
LMFAO!!!
This coming from the same gal that upped a 262 with a 47 in tow to come kill my 262. So I decide to extend her out a little bit and make this a 1 v 1. I'm sure you all know the answer...with me offering my 6, I reverse on the 262 and see the 47 is still with us in the distance. This is not going to be a "good" 1 v 1. We reverse 1 more time and she HO's the you know what out me. Something about the "quality" in AH? :aok
:salute 11
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LMFAO!!!
This coming from the same gal that upped a 262 with a 47 in tow to come kill my 262. So I decide to extend her out a little bit and make this a 1 v 1. I'm sure you all know the answer...with me offering my 6, I reverse on the 262 and see the 47 is still with us in the distance. This is not going to be a "good" 1 v 1. We reverse 1 more time and she HO's the you know what out me. Something about the "quality" in AH? :aok
:salute 11
:noid I remember what you are talking about mam, I didn't know the 47 guy and he stuck with us regardless of what I would tell em. As for the Ho shot....um deflection :salute
With that said, I must say I am beginning to embrace Grizzology*. A general feeling of it's their money. If they want to spend the night sight-seeing and not fighting, so be it. It's their way of having fun, and unfortunately it is not yours or mine.
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Way
*Grizzology is a word that I have invented, but feel free to use it. It's not trademarked...Yet.:lol
Yes I must master the jet as he! Then regardless of whether or not the enemy wants to engage, they must! <---Is this grizzlyoism :D
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If you're lucky enough to get a 1v1 then plane type or altitude shouldn't be a consideration. I find it a refreshing change to be shot down by a single plane instead of three or four.
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If the guy just keeps running and turning back when you disengage just bail, and from the tower check the map for the largest enemy darbar. Sometimes you have to switch sides and find one.
If you don't care about score, then take em all on and see how long you can last. I personally think that's the best way to learn and or find your favorite ride.
It's not worth getting frustrated over a game on your free time. :aok
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Getting rid of score won't stop timid flying habits, a eunich will always be a eunich and nothing will make his little boys grow back.
ack-ack
Yet another worthless statement from Ack-Ack. He cant help himself... I am sure his sidekick Oakranger wont be far behind with his words of wisdom....
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I need taller boots.
:salute 11
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I do feel your pain Bagrat, I have chased many to the ends of the Aces High earth myself. If they are below me I'll attack them. If they are above me, I'll press them until they come and fight or run. If they run, I don't chase. I just store the info in my SA mental picture and assume that they could become a threat again soon, and then move on to another red guy.
With that said, I must say I am beginning to embrace Grizzology*. A general feeling of it's their money. If they want to spend the night sight-seeing and not fighting, so be it. It's their way of having fun, and unfortunately it is not yours or mine.
:salute
Way
*Grizzology is a word that I have invented, but feel free to use it. It's not trademarked...Yet.:lol
Waystin we can both agree on that statement Sir!!! :salute
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Yet another worthless statement from Ack-Ack. He cant help himself... I am sure his sidekick Oakranger wont be far behind with his words of wisdom....
dude.....sometimes i don't like what akak has to say either.
the fact is however, that the dude says what he sees, and what he thinks, when he thinks it. he calls a spade a spade. the truth hurts sometimes.
he called me timid months ago. it pissed me off. the fact was though that(sadly) he was 100% correct. i was afraid to lose my cartoon airplane. thankfully i'm not flying like that anymore.
if you don't like what he has to say, then don't read his posts.
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In mind little mind the problem with a refusal to engage w/out securing every possible advantage of speed, numbers, alt, etc. is that It's ultimately going to be self defeating and preventing the player from moving on and developing a more rounded skill set. We all learn by doing, experience and repetition. I could read all the books I could get my hands on about ACM and air combat theory but until I go into the game and try it out I won't really learn and understand it.
If the goal is ultimately improve so that when faced with something less than the ideal situation the player will be able to handle it and emerge victorious than the only recourse is to put yourself in that situation and learn it. The problem is that for most of us, learning is oftentimes uncomfortable because we're facing a new scenario and haven't yet equipped ourselves with the tools to handle it. What that means in the game is violent cartoon death which can lead to real world frustration and anger. The trick becomes how to mix in enough success with the failures during the learning process to keep on going.
Yes, sadly that is the case, although I will be the first to admit that I fly more cautiously than most, and I do experience a huge level of frustration (this morning) and I will yell a lot at the screen (also this morning). Still, I think there's a fine line between outright cowardice and picking your situation. Personally I'd rather not go charging into a mess of red for no real in-game advantage, and I see no reason for going in outnumbered when you've got a mess of buddies 6k behind you. Maybe it's because I'm thinking strategically, but getting shot down over and over again isn't really my idea of fun, even if it is unavoidable.
The truth is this game is a lot like golf. You have days where your timing is off, or your positioning, or someone gets a lucky ping, or there's just too many Muppets and Few's out. Then there are days when you land 2-3 kills every sortie (or at least get 2 for every time they kill you). It's just part of the game.
I gotta remember that....
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This game is a lot like golf in that regard. Some nights the plane feels light, you hit your shots and all is well, other nights it feels like Mir paid your crew chief $20 to paint a big bulls-eye on your plane when you weren't looking.
While I do firmly believe the best and quickest way to learn something is by sitting down and doing it, it's equally important to manage the failures that come with the learning process and balance them out with enough success to keep frustration at bay. It's a lot easier to deal with "losing" if you feel that it's constructive in some fashion, it's a long slow road and it's full of pot holes and pit falls. I've been flying AH for 10 years now and I'm still learning things, it's both the source of never ending frustration but also a lot of fun. I think if I won every fight I got into I would be bored by now, but I don't think I have to worry about that any time soon. :)
And if worse comes to worst try to remember it's just a silly little game. Which is harder to do than it sounds I fail in this regard often myself. :)
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This is bad news for Flotsom.
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OH SUNBAT THAT MEANS YOU LIED TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!! :furious :furious
you promised it would grow back after you bit it!!!!!!!! :old:
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
puke it up now, i want it back!!!!!!
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Yet another worthless statement from Ack-Ack. He cant help himself... I am sure his sidekick Oakranger wont be far behind with his words of wisdom....
So, you are saying that if score was removed that you wouldn't be such a timid player?
ack-ack
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I feel your pain. Few people want to actually fight anymore unless they have help. As I mentioned in another thread. Whats typically been happening is even if they have a starting advantage, They make their pass then run to their feild and hide within range of their base ack. Or as soon as they either loose their advantage or it gets to the point where its fair. They run to their field. And try to draw you in so they can get the free proxie kill. Orr they run to wherever a crowd of their friends are
THIS is the downside to the newer improved base ack. And why I think proxies should no longer be awarded.
Everyone just seems to want to hide in it.
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When I first met Waystin he always turned up on the deck surrounded by red lice in the bushs. He would always ask me to help him. He always got me killed.
Now the game has gotten so bad Waystin flys out ahead of the squad so he can dive down into hoards of red lice maybe to get a single kill before they all scatter from the pissed off crazy Waystin. Come to think of it he does this at all atltitudes these days because he's afraid the hoard of red tardlings will runaway.
Thanks to the muppets the only players who might fight a K4 is another K4. Recently when I dive into a furball I've had cons augering trying to get away from the K4. If the timid hoards aren't bad enough the muppets had to go and Pavlov them with K4's.
Hoardlings even run away from the I16 these days.
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If you're lucky enough to get a 1v1 then plane type or altitude shouldn't be a consideration. I find it a refreshing change to be shot down by a single plane instead of three or four.
And you're one of those "good guys" Shiv...a good smart stick. Always enjoyable running into you 1v1. Win or lose, my hand's sweaty because I've just had an aeronautical chess match. :salute
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OH SUNBAT THAT MEANS YOU LIED TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!! :furious :furious
you promised it would grow back after you bit it!!!!!!!! :old:
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
puke it up now, i want it back!!!!!!
:rofl
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It occurs to me that this current style of play you are talking about is disadvantageous to the "lone wolf" style of play, i.e. going out in 1's and 2's in the MA and looking for a good duel.
The "hordeing" habit you describe however, is probably a result of the strategic players wanting to take bases. It's the most efficient way of accomplishing the task. It's not unstoppable but for the lone wolf it's just a bad situation (unless you want to BnZ a few kills while they're busy).
As far as your prey flying through the ack, well, to quote a certain Joss Whedon villain "If your enemy goes to ground, then leave him no ground to go to". De-ack the field. 3 or 4 planes can do it in less than a minute. Or dive in when he's hiding over the field, make it look like you're going for him, then when he turns knock off a soft gun. Repeat until the ack is reduced or until he gives up a shot.
True, maybe we average pilots are flying in numbers these days, but it's a natural instinct to seek safety from the wolves if you're still a sheep. It's no fun getting shot down over and over again.
As far as the K4 is concerned...well that's a topic for another thread.
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first of all :cry :cry :cry I try not to whine often but c'mon now.
I was tryin to perk farm today in a p-40b, not the most intimidating plane as it is only armed with 4x.303 and 2x.50 cals. To my surprise La-7's, P-51's, Spit16 were still running from me without another greeny for an entire sector! screw em Ill continue on to the enemy base to see if anybody actually plays this game to dogfight, 6 red cons pop up on screen and guess who finally got the balls to fight now that the odds are 7v1. This scenario was repeated numerous times today.
Dam man if your gonna run fine! Dont come back an BnZ me while im already fighting with 3 or 4 planes!
Also I get into a 2v1 a couple of times and once i shoot one down the other guy runs....quality AH
A result of worrying about worthless score? maybe, but dam how are people gonna run from a 1v1 against a p-40b. I wonder if getting rid of worthless score would cause people to worry a little less about dieing.
Nah, the arena splits have solved that. It is all 1vs 1 fighting in the MAs now :rofl Kidding aside though, it is not score. If you look at their score it would be so low that one more death would not make a difference. It is the human mentality and the squad training. They don;t care about the achievement of winning a fight. They only care about the kill when you cannot see them or defend yourself. Kind of like the modern day tough guys that drive by, shoot you, and run. They are tough while they can surprise you and they have the option to run, but non of them will walk up to you and try to through a punch without 5 or 6 of their friends holding you down :rofl
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If you look at their score it would be so low that one more death would not make a difference.
Yup.
For the most part, survival is overrated when it comes to score & rank in AH. Better your K/H and K/S up!
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Yup.
For the most part, survival is overrated when it comes to score & rank in AH. Better your K/H and K/S up!
I know quite a few guys that fly to survive. To a certain degree, I am one. For most that I know and myself, it's not about score and rank but rather getting kills and getting away with it.
I've been thinking on how people characterize others as 'timid' and 'dweebish' and soforth. It seems to me that it's a spectrum, with the logical extension of one end being a guy that just flies at the enemy and tries to shoot them in the face until he dies, with absolutely no thought to survival or defense. The logical extension of the other end is a guy that flies in the stratosphere and never engages.
Most people fall somewhere between those two extremes, and I think it colors everybody's perception of the others. Only people who fly similarly to you are flying 'right' or 'honorably' or 'should expect to survive'.
For example to me, guys that get picked out of their 1v1s or dive into the middle of a swarm of red, get slow and get killed, IMO, stayed in the fight too long if they expect to survive. They should've seen the second coming and either stopped playing with their food or egressed in the first case, and never gone into the middle of a red swarm and got slow in the second.
At the other end, guys that run when they are co-E or have advantage are weenies. Only attacking when you outnumber the enemy is at best boring, at worst lame. Vulching is situational to me. If there's an attempt to take the town, I'll vulch all day. If it's just for free kills, it's boring to me most of the time. Except when I'm in a bad mood. <g>
I'm sure I'm timid to some people because I generally get out of the situation if I'm alone and 2 or more of the right plane or people are headed my way. My $15, yadda.
In terms of chances of survival though, there's really little difference to me between getting slow and turning under a mass of red and HOing everything in sight, as both are going to get you killed pretty quickly 90% of the time.
Wiley.
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Nah, the arena splits have solved that. It is all 1vs 1 fighting in the MAs now :rofl Kidding aside though, it is not score. If you look at their score it would be so low that one more death would not make a difference. It is the human mentality and the squad training. They don;t care about the achievement of winning a fight. They only care about the kill when you cannot see them or defend yourself. Kind of like the modern day tough guys that drive by, shoot you, and run. They are tough while they can surprise you and they have the option to run, but non of them will walk up to you and try to through a punch without 5 or 6 of their friends holding you down :rofl
That's a good analogy on the MA's, i fly lonewolf with my squad of one :D sometimes ill wingup (or fly around) people defending a base, but mostly what i find when flying alone is getting jumped by 3 to 4 or more planes, while I'm climbing out hvy, higher alt usually, but what really gets me is they ALL dive in guns a blazing, eyes a bulging outta there heads, 2 of the 4 shooting from 1 k out like it's some kinda fair fight :rofl granted I'm not a elite stick but i can hold my own, but not against the wolfpack, it seems like the mentality is just for the "Kill" . Either your fighting the horde or you become one of the horde
tell you how i fly, the other day i was defending a base with this other guy, enemy plane comes in and we both dive on him, i stayed right off the other guys wing and never fired a shot (could of easily just squeezed the trigger and killed him) me and him was on Vox and i told him to take the kill I'll watch your back and he did, he thanked me for the help and off i flew again,i guess i like to fly around the 'ol school players which are getting harder to find :headscratch:
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And you're one of those "good guys" Shiv...a good smart stick. Always enjoyable running into you 1v1. Win or lose, my hand's sweaty because I've just had an aeronautical chess match. :salute
Back at ya Hawk. Always a great fight <<S>>
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THIS is the downside to the newer improved base ack. And why I think proxies should no longer be awarded.
Everyone just seems to want to hide in it.
I would +1 that idea. Do away with proxies and the next time a guy refuses to engage i'll just bail, if i was not so worried about giving some jagbag the satisfaction of a kill without ever engaging.
Not to mention those field ak's, a couple of times It seems all ak is down but there is still that 1 and getting 1 shot killed by the gun emplacement controlled by the computer from 2k away...well that's a whole other thread itself
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That's a good analogy on the MA's, i fly lonewolf with my squad of one :D sometimes ill wingup (or fly around) people defending a base, but mostly what i find when flying alone is getting jumped by 3 to 4 or more planes, while I'm climbing out hvy, higher alt usually, but what really gets me is they ALL dive in guns a blazing, eyes a bulging outta there heads, 2 of the 4 shooting from 1 k out like it's some kinda fair fight :rofl granted I'm not a elite stick but i can hold my own, but not against the wolfpack, it seems like the mentality is just for the "Kill" . Either your fighting the horde or you become one of the horde
tell you how i fly, the other day i was defending a base with this other guy, enemy plane comes in and we both dive on him, i stayed right off the other guys wing and never fired a shot (could of easily just squeezed the trigger and killed him) me and him was on Vox and i told him to take the kill I'll watch your back and he did, he thanked me for the help and off i flew again,i guess i like to fly around the 'ol school players which are getting harder to find :headscratch:
I admire your sense of teamwork and will attempt to adopt it more often. (I do help out other pilots in that fashion, especially if they are turnfighting and I have E).
I hate to point this out, but "lone wolf' tactics don't do much to take bases, which is, IMHO, the only good reason to horde, and the main reason why it's employed in the MA. Either everyone gets fixated on one base, or Busher or someone will organize a mission and off we go. Given the amount of time you have to deack, drop the town and get troops in, it's very difficult (but not impossible) to take an airfield without a considerable number of planes.
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Oh i agree lonewolf tatics don't work for taking bases, but when you get a handful of us together we seem to do good job :salute
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Yet another worthless statement from Ack-Ack. He cant help himself... I am sure his sidekick Oakranger wont be far behind with his words of wisdom....
Did AKAK make you a eunich?