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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: JimmyC on November 01, 2010, 12:54:44 PM
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Meeee
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Meee toooo
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I honestly didn't even see it on the poll, all I saw was Beaufighter and Ki-43. :)
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Pe-2 :noid
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KI43! :D
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me
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(http://www.great-victory1945.ru/pe_2_attacking.jpg)
Nuf said.
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I voted for the Ki-45, the P-38 needs another twin engine plane to shoot down. The Mosquitos, Bf 110's aren't a challenge at all for a Lightning, not that I expect the "Nick" to be one but at leasts it's a different plane to make catch on fire.
ack-ack
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I cannot imagine why this game needs the B-29.
But if it's coming we will need a latewar fighter with 40K cieling and 400mph+ speed and a big cannon to knock it out of the sky... hmmmmm
like the p-63! :D
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I voted for the Ki-45, the P-38 needs another twin engine plane to shoot down. The Mosquitos, Bf 110's aren't a challenge at all for a Lightning, not that I expect the "Nick" to be one but at leasts it's a different plane to make catch on fire.
ack-ack
Now I need to look up what a ki-45 is. What is the russian me-110 looking thing posted above?
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I voted for the Ki-45, the P-38 needs another twin engine plane to shoot down. The Mosquitos, Bf 110's aren't a challenge at all for a Lightning, not that I expect the "Nick" to be one but at leasts it's a different plane to make catch on fire.
ack-ack
(http://airwar.hihome.com/gwp/ki-45/gwp-ki-45-00-title.jpg)
Agree.
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Now I need to look up what a ki-45 is. What is the russian me-110 looking thing posted above?
It's the pe-2.
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B-29 :x
:bolt:
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I voted for the Ki-45, the P-38 needs another twin engine plane to shoot down. The Mosquitos, Bf 110's aren't a challenge at all for a Lightning, not that I expect the "Nick" to be one but at leasts it's a different plane to make catch on fire.
ack-ack
either one would do for me I like both :rock
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Gave it to the Beau!
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Beau
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I voted for her....
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-343-0694-21%2C_Belgien-Frankreich%2C_Flugzeug_Heinkel_He_111.jpg)
I know, I know... slow... not a big bomb load... not great defensive armament
But still... cool as all heck, and it's got a bubble nose like the Betty (and a certain american bomber...). Long live the bubble nose!
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I went with the Pe-2. To me, all the B29 represents in the MA is another cheeseball way for someone to carpet-bomb one itty-bitty Tiger tank.
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YEAH I got thndrEGG om my side!!!!
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(http://airwar.hihome.com/gwp/ki-45/gwp-ki-45-00-title.jpg)
Agree.
same vote for me
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me
<S> Oz
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Ki-45 would be nice to have, I would love for the B-29 to be added, because maybe not right now, but I know one day that I will once and for all get my Ki-44 :D
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Beau.
I was indoctrinated.
:eek:
wrongway
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(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy134/Kassill1/04310_A-26_Invader.jpg)
:aok
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Points to patch at bottom of post.
Beaufighter baby!
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Went with Ki45
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rather than waste my vote on something I know the American majority won't go for I went with the B29 because it will be AWESOME!
I think everyone will be excited by such a HUGE plane. Finally a worthy perked bomber and the thrill of flying and killing them would be up there with a 262.
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PE-2
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Ok Gents, contenders are now:
A-26
B-29
He-111
Me-410
VOTE INVADER!!!!! :x
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Me410
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Ok Gents, contenders are now:
A-26
B-29
He-111
Me-410
Beau went down in round 1? wow... :eek:
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Great, bomb**** mafia has strike again. Good bye ki43
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Beau went down in round 1? wow... :eek:
apart from the 30 guys on the forum that voted for it the other 2970 in game went B29 :bolt:
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apart from the 30 guys on the forum that voted for it the other 2970 in game went B29 :bolt:
Correction, 2969. I went Invader!!!!!!!!!!!!
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correction
2968 :neener:
Out of the four I'd happily vote for 3 of them. Bummer on the Beau though..
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Hmmm Me-410 or B-29....tough call. On the plus side it could be the end of the B-29 threads in the wish forum.
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if the B29 doesn't win I'll give everyone a free Bomber vulch on the runway.
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if the B29 doesn't win I'll give everyone a free Bomber vulch on the runway.
Can I vulch you in my...
............................. ....
...........A-26
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voted for 410, but i know that 29 will be thw winner. Two bombers for the next patch. Great news for 99% of AH population that want fighters.
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voted for 410, but i know that 29 will be thw winner. Two bombers for the next patch. Great news for 99% of AH population that want fighters.
:headscratch:
If 99% want a fighter... why don't they vote for one? 99% should be sufficient to win that...
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Was hopin' for the Ki-43 since it represents a huge gap in anything we do that's AvA, FSO, or snapshot. Can't even do a semi-realistic CBI without the Ki-43...
Well, maybe the A-26 will give us bomb t.arders something to cheer about.
J
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Awesome, well not really. Guess I'll throw away a vote on the He-111.
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"Who didn't vote for B29?"
...those who shave?
:devil
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Great, bomber mafia has strike again. Good bye ki43
bomber mafia? Most of the planes in AH are attack/fighter types. The dedicated heavy bombers types in game are a mere handful. That, and the fact that a B29 would simply be a blast to have in game (no pun intended) are probably what has made it into the next round.
The Ki43 will be great in EW/MW whenever it gets in game, but for the LW masses the Ki43 will be just a annoying gnat buzzing about the place.
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:headscratch:
If 99% want a fighter... why don't they vote for one? 99% should be sufficient to win that...
Seems kind of obvious doesnt it. 99% being forced to accept the fate voted on by the other 99%
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I would love the B-29 just for special events or MoM. Next pick, beautfighter
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Was hopin' for the Ki-43 since it represents a huge gap in anything we do that's AvA, FSO, or snapshot. Can't even do a semi-realistic CBI without the Ki-43...
Well, maybe the A-26 will give us bomb****ers (damn filter) something to cheer about.
J
Huh??? I didn't quote myself - that's considered implicating.
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Just look at it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAULJmbNoj0
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with the four chooses we have, i say do them all.
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Ya know, the more I think about it - the A-26 was available in a glass-nose and gun package version, so it would certainly provide lots of options in the hangar.
J
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no need for the b29 ppl will ask for the nuke like crazy, all we need is the b17 bomb package to 12000lbers like it had at the end of the war
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I just can't see the B-29 not winning... Which is great. :aok
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IMO
B-29 in AH = dumb
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I voted for the Pe-2. I thought the list was great, and could have voted for everything except the B-29.
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IMO
B-29 in AH = dumb
+1
Actually voted for the He-111 myself. Think we need some earlier Luft bombers which had an impact in the war. :salute
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Beau went down in round 1? wow... :eek:
Its not American.
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With the current rounds choices I bet the A26 will be the winner.
The average LWMA personality wants it's toys to be powerful and fast. They want the illusion the toy itself will enhance their survivabilty and score while not costing them involved transit time. Thats why toys like the I16 and Betty have to be dropped on us out of the blue by Pyro or we will never willingly vote for something that appeares slow and weak given other choices.
In a vote of only the Betty or A26, the A26 would win. In the current offering the 410 or B29 might win on novelty becasue they just fit into the powerful and fast mentality. The B29 adds transit time. There is no question of this with the A26. Fast and powerful.
I wish HTC would have two types of votes. The obvious fast and powerful. But, a second vote at another time for a single plane in the more historical scenario catagory to fill in some of the ranks. We may be reaching the era of players honestly not knowing the differences between the Battle of Britian and the Battle for Burma. Instead they just have the need for speed and vote with their other head.
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but the HE 111 is missed to play Battle of Britain
my vote HE111
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I remember in Air Warrior we used to dogfight in the A-26 just for the novelty, kind of like what some people do in the A-20 now.
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B twentywhat?
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no need for the b29 ppl will ask for the nuke like crazy, all we need is the b17 bomb package to 12000lbers like it had at the end of the war
Yea, not sure why they would ask for the nuke when it was used only twice. Neverless, i picked the B-29 and see where the vote will go.
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anyone who asks for a nuke deserves to be voice/chat/forums muted for 30 days. That should learn them to avoid the stoopid.
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What happened to my Yak-3? :cry
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Generally I vote for planes that I intend to fly in the MA. I would love to have the He-111 for BOB and I would be the first in line to fly it. However, outside of BoB I'm rarely going to fly the He-111 because it's just no survivable in the MA.
I vote for aircraft I plan to fly in the MA, and right now the only 2 planes on the list that I will fly are the B29 and/or A26.
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The B-29 shouldn't have even been in the list. Compared to all the needed aircraft, it's not even a hard decision (imo).
American bombers in-game: 6
Total number of Japanese a/c in-game: 8
Total number of Russian a/c in-game: 5 (2 LAs & 2 Yaks, big variety there)
Horrible idea imo to let the community decide. Most of the people who would vote for the B-29 have never had to fly a totally ridiculous substitution aircraft in an historical event due to lack of JP/Russian planes. Anyone who voted for the B-29 should be forced to fly Spit1s in the next BoB while massed JU-88s tear them apart. PTO events don't need some super bomber that can level an entire field in one shot. Oh, and the airfields would need remodeled again.
B-29 = FAIL!
I promise to HO & then collide with every one that I ever come across!
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vote for aircraft I plan to fly in the MA, and right now the only 2 planes on the list that I will fly are the B29 and/or A26.
I plan to fly anything they add... when the caps stuff is fixed :noid
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definitely need more variety other than American planes. With that being said, I voted for A-26 :D
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anyone who asks for a nuke deserves to be voice/chat/forums muted for 30 days. That should learn them to avoid the stoopid.
N00K please!!! :rofl :rofl
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The B-29 shouldn't have even been in the list. Compared to all the needed aircraft, it's not even a hard decision (imo).
American bombers in-game: 6
Total number of Japanese a/c in-game: 8
Total number of Russian a/c in-game: 5 (2 LAs & 2 Yaks, big variety there)
Horrible idea imo to let the community decide. Most of the people who would vote for the B-29 have never had to fly a totally ridiculous substitution aircraft in an historical event due to lack of JP/Russian planes. Anyone who voted for the B-29 should be forced to fly Spit1s in the next BoB while massed JU-88s tear them apart. PTO events don't need some super bomber that can level an entire field in one shot. Oh, and the airfields would need remodeled again.
B-29 = FAIL!
I promise to HO & then collide with every one that I ever come across!
RANGER,dont hold out on us..Tell us how you really feel... :angel:
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A26
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Me410
:aok
voted a26 in first round, will vote 410 today.
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The B-29 shouldn't have even been in the list. Compared to all the needed aircraft, it's not even a hard decision (imo).
American bombers in-game: 6
Total number of Japanese a/c in-game: 8
Total number of Russian a/c in-game: 5 (2 LAs & 2 Yaks, big variety there)
Horrible idea imo to let the community decide. Most of the people who would vote for the B-29 have never had to fly a totally ridiculous substitution aircraft in an historical event due to lack of JP/Russian planes. Anyone who voted for the B-29 should be forced to fly Spit1s in the next BoB while massed JU-88s tear them apart. PTO events don't need some super bomber that can level an entire field in one shot. Oh, and the airfields would need remodeled again.
B-29 = FAIL!
I promise to HO & then collide with every one that I ever come across!
If you do that, i can see text 200 and the BBS with the whining. lol
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screw the 29 imho.
give us LW fighters
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Ki-45 with which to shoot down teh bad meenie bomberz with. :lol
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A-26 would be useful.
B-29 would be cool.
He-111 would be dead in MAs, but cool in non-MAs.
Me-410 would have big guns.
That's the way I'd see it, at least.
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I voted for the
(http://airwar.hihome.com/gwp/me410/me410-title-2.jpg)
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Pe-2
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Pe-2
Is not in the polls sadly...
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The B-29 shouldn't have even been in the list. Compared to all the needed aircraft, it's not even a hard decision (imo).
American bombers in-game: 6
Total number of Japanese a/c in-game: 8
Total number of Russian a/c in-game: 5 (2 LAs & 2 Yaks, big variety there)
Horrible idea imo to let the community decide. Most of the people who would vote for the B-29 have never had to fly a totally ridiculous substitution aircraft in an historical event due to lack of JP/Russian planes. Anyone who voted for the B-29 should be forced to fly Spit1s in the next BoB while massed JU-88s tear them apart. PTO events don't need some super bomber that can level an entire field in one shot. Oh, and the airfields would need remodeled again.
B-29 = FAIL!
I promise to HO & then collide with every one that I ever come across!
I would love to fly spit1 in the next BoB, the problem is they always give me something else :D
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I voted for the
(http://airwar.hihome.com/gwp/me410/me410-title-2.jpg)
Beautiful picture.
I voted for the He 111, although the Superfortress will win without question so there's no point in even voting, really (not that that means you should vote :joystick: ).
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410
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Sad to see the Beau didn't make the cut. It covered the most history, theaters and options for MA use. Somewhat tells me that most of the vote is based on name recognition.
That being said.
B-29 is the last thing this game needs.
A-26 does nothing for the special events guys. While I enjoy fighting Cobia38, he does just fine in an A20 :)
Me410 is much the same but won't be the performer folks think it will be. In that regard it will provide a challenge for a few but doesn't help the SEA guys nearly enough
So He111 is my choice if only for the way it can be used for special events. I do believe after the initial novelty wears off, it will rarely be used in the MA.
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honestly anything new is a win, really wanted the Ki-45 but I'll settle for the B-29. I'll be voting He-111 and A-26 last round but we know what's coming.
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I'm still disappointed that the P-61 a/b didn't even make it into the initial poll. :cry :cry Then the Beau was knocked out. :cry So I guess I'll vote for the Superfort, not for bombing power, or speed, or even the nook (just kidding) It goes deeper than that, its all about the engineering that went into the design and production of the B-29 with its 141ft long wings, pressurized cabins and the remote turrets.
Now my question is, if the 29 wins and the cabin is punctured, will the pixel pilot be forced to descend to lower altitude due to cabin depressurization? What will happen to the stewardess and the drink carts? Will people still get their peanuts?
Oh yea...I still want the P-61
(http://www.maam.org/p61art/twi_app.jpg)
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Don't give up.. We must rebel against the b-29 and w!n te warz!
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(http://www.great-victory1945.ru/pe_2_attacking.jpg)
Nuf said.
+4
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I remember in Air Warrior we used to dogfight in the A-26 just for the novelty, kind of like what some people do in the A-20 now.
the A-26 (like all bombers) in AW was also incredibly over modeled and inaccurate, that is why we had B-17s that were the best turn/stall fighters in the game.
ack-ack
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Now my question is, if the 29 wins and the cabin is punctured, will the pixel pilot be forced to descend to lower altitude due to cabin depressurization?
Would be an entirely new feature. We already have at least one plane with a pressurized cockpit.
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Uhoh. Here comes the stuka29s
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If the B29 gets in, Im going to need a big bottle of asprin the heal me from the mind boggles of squeeker text:
ANYONE IN A B29 NEED A GUNNER~!@~!#$$%
XXX CAN I BE YOUR GUNNER??
MAYDAY MAYDAY WERE GOIN DOWN HELP HELP
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Sadly the Pe-2 witch we need a lot more than the B29 or A26 is already out, even the P-61 (I can't believe that yet) so im with the 410 until got kicked out by the non needed EU bombers...
:noid
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If the B29 gets in, Im going to need a big bottle of asprin the heal me from the mind boggles of squeeker text:
ANYONE IN A B29 NEED A GUNNER~!@~!#$$%
XXX CAN I BE YOUR GUNNER??
MAYDAY MAYDAY WERE GOIN DOWN HELP HELP
Lmao. Yes that last quote reminded me of my noob days 5 years ago.
xxx1: mayday mayday I'm going down.
Xxx2: who is mayday?
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Sadly the Pe-2 witch we need a lot more than the B29 or A26 is already out, even the P-61 (I can't believe that yet) so im with the 410 until got kicked out by the non needed EU bombers...
:noid
Pe-2 would have been soooo juicy. I guess I have to continue to fly it on Il-2 sturmovik 1946.
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Lost out on the Beau so went with the HE111.
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Xxx2: who is mayday?
(http://jamesbond.ugo.com/images/girls/grace-jones.jpg) :D
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Actually after sitting here and thinking about this; it really doesn't matter what HTC adds next. Some people will be happy, others won't, others do not care. I really fall under the "Hey we are getting new toys, and cannot wait for them to be out" group.
I'm sure that everything that's in the top four may eventally make it to AH, until then I'll keep having fun, flying planes I've only seen in magazines or museums and enjoying my time with my AH friends.
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I look at it a bit differently Copr. I'd like to think that plane additions are one to have the biggest impact on all parts of the game, not just the MA. The vote seems to be what is best to 'me', not what is best for the 'everyone' and the game as a whole.
That being said, it's HTC's` call.
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was there an in game poll?
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was there an in game poll?
Yup! Vote INVADER!!!!
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MA has enough super planes.
What we need is some real hole fillers like the Ki43.
I think it will really suck if it's another American plane, especially the B-29.
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I asked 200 channel what they wanted, most people said Ki-43 so I put Ki-43. Don't play enough to want a plane. I just want to learn how to tank. :lol
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I look at it a bit differently Copr. I'd like to think that plane additions are one to have the biggest impact on all parts of the game, not just the MA. The vote seems to be what is best to 'me', not what is best for the 'everyone' and the game as a whole.
That being said, it's HTC's` call.
You make an excellent point Guppy. I know this may not be feasible in terms of plane development, but it seems that the best way the voting could have been done to apease the comunnity is divide the voting into EW, MW, and LW choices. Or maybe I'm greddy and would like three planes. :devil Ok...back to iracing.
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You make an excellent point Guppy. I know this may not be feasible in terms of plane development, but it seems that the best way the voting could have been done to apease the comunnity is divide the voting into EW, MW, and LW choices. Or maybe I'm greddy and would like three planes. :devil Ok...back to iracing.
Might want to add another category AvA and SEA.
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As much as I like the A-26, the more I think about it the more I wish the Beau had gotten through :(
edit: rephrased
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Avatar says it all. :mad:
Who's with me? :pray
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He-111 all the way. Need more German. Always need more German.
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Might want to add another category AvA and SEA.
^^^^
And Yossarian as much as I'd love an A26 for personal reasons I think the Beau or the 111 is a better choice for the group as a whole. I just don't see the B29 as being useful at this stage of the games development. But I don't run the show and I only get one vote.
I won't see the B29 in my chosen arena (coughAVAcough)* unless I'm assigned it in a FSO or a scheduled event. All of that babbling said whatever gets in is and addition.
*if we ever saw it in the AVA will the dot be twice the normal size? :devil
He-111 all the way. Need more German. Always need more German.
oh hush you sauerkraut snarfing b-hole ;)
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MA has enough super planes.
What we need is some real hole fillers like the Ki43.
I think it will really suck if it's another American plane, especially the B-29.
We got the Brewster, P-39, B-25 and now the "Betty" all 4 are imo "gap" planes.
I don't really consider the 47-m a "new" plane, as it was merely a variation of an existing airplane.
Enough "gap" planes for a bit please.
The 29 will be an awesome addition to the game, unfortunately they will perk the hell out of it.
I think the 29 deserves a perk as much as the 51d does.
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Voted for the Beau, pity it didn't make it past first round :(
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We got the Brewster, P-39, B-25 and now the "Betty" all 4 are imo "gap" planes.
I don't really consider the 47-m a "new" plane, as it was merely a variation of an existing airplane.
Enough "gap" planes for a bit please.
The 29 will be an awesome addition to the game, unfortunately they will perk the hell out of it.
I think the 29 deserves a perk as much as the 51d does.
Then the P-51 sticks will run out of perks.
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Then the P-51 sticks will run out of perks.
:lol :aok
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The 29 will be an awesome addition to the game, unfortunately they will perk the hell out of it.
what will make it so awesome?
what will it do differently than all the other buffs we already have? carry 6 more bombs than a lanc and go faster and higher?
i'm guessing it will be almost as hard to intercept as the mossie 16, but it will be able to defend itself.. (which means it should be perked AT LEAST 4x as much as the mossie 16)
which means nobody will bother intercepting it.
which means nobody will ever see one, except as a small dot(s) overhead.
:headscratch:
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I think they should make people choose what they want........fuel, armament, an bombs.
A b29 could not be filled to the max with fuel, then take off with a maximum bomb load.
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We got the Brewster, P-39, B-25 and now the "Betty" all 4 are imo "gap" planes.
I don't really consider the 47-m a "new" plane, as it was merely a variation of an existing airplane.
Enough "gap" planes for a bit please.
Quit confusing people with facts. Hand wringing over possible outcomes is serious business. :D
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Pyro has spoken!
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what will it do differently than all the other buffs we already have? carry 6 more bombs than a lanc and go faster and higher?
Yes. :D
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<--Me410 first round (figure He111 would get enough support to move on w/o my vote), and He 111 today's round.
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<--Me410 first round (figure He111 would get enough support to move on w/o my vote), and He 111 today's round.
And A-26 after that, yes?
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NO B-29. I personally think it's ridiculous for any arena here for all reasons previously stated. My personal Fav ME-410. If not then B-26. :airplane:
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B-29 has a distinctly phallic look.
Just throwing that out there.
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And A-26 after that, yes?
Should the the German Iron get kicked out of the running (and I'm sure it will...), I will vote B-29 simply because it will get such a high perk price that I will likely never have to deal with 2 in the same tour.
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For second round, I voted:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x126/ScotRanger/MesserschmittMe410.jpg)
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For second round, I voted:
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x126/ScotRanger/MesserschmittMe410.jpg)
Vote 410 for more hot chicks.
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We need the 29 about as much as we'd need yet another spit variant.
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I think the 410 looks like an aardvark with wings.
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I think we need to kill the 111 and put the Pe-2 into the final round of the poll where it belongs
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I think we need to kill the 111 and put the Pe-2 into the final round of the poll where it belongs
+1.
Far too many people voted for that thing anyway.
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I think we need to kill the 111 and put the Pe-2 into the final round of the poll where it belongs
Yea. That would be better. :devil
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Why does anyone think there will be a third round of voting?
Make your vote count now.
wrongway
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Why does anyone think there will be a third round of voting?
Make your vote count now.
wrongway
Simple reading comprehension.
qouted from Pyro
8 planes will be used in the initial poll, we'll take the top 4 of those results and re-poll and then take the top 2 results of that for the final run-off. Use this thread to nominate planes for the poll.
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Why does anyone think there will be a third round of voting?
Make your vote count now.
wrongway
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1875/final4j.jpg) (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/final4j.jpg/)
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me!
oh wait...no i voted for the b-29
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I think the 29 deserves a perk as much as the 51d does.
Well, looking at a three ship B-29 formation, we have 120 500lbs bombs and 36000 .50 rounds moving ~350mph at 25000ft. Nothing, absolutely nothing comes even close. Considering the high accuracy of the AH bombsight and the range of the B-29, it can be used much like the AC-130 is used today. It can remain on station in the region of couple fields, drop a hangar here, town center there and so on...what ever is needed. When working in good coordination with capture forces down below, it can be quite an a**et.
If someone tries to climb to intercept, it will be able to do a get away towards friendly territory before the interceptor is at co-alt. Considering how small the spped difference will be up there, I don't think very many will attempt to follow. Then it can come back using a new route and do another bomb run. :)
If the buff pilot has a good SA/map reading skills, it will be very hard to come even close to intercepting it. Me163 is the only thing that will be able to shoot it down with relative ease, and I don't think many who up the B-29 will venture to areas where there's a risk of that to happen. Me262 of course can be a threat but its climb rate is starting suffer at high alts and I think there aren't very many that are able to succesfully challenge a good bomber gunner in a B-29 at those alts. Setting up a relatively safe pass takes time and all that time the B-29 is moving towards friendly territory at ~350mph.
So overall, I see it rather perk worthy.
what will make it so awesome?
what will it do differently than all the other buffs we already have? carry 6 more bombs than a lanc and go faster and higher?
i'm guessing it will be almost as hard to intercept as the mossie 16, but it will be able to defend itself.. (which means it should be perked AT LEAST 4x as much as the mossie 16)
which means nobody will bother intercepting it.
which means nobody will ever see one, except as a small dot(s) overhead.
:headscratch:
Yep. This is pretty much what I expect. :) The occasional HE-rain can be a bit annoying too...
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Since my PC died last week & now I see how the vote is being done I have voted for :headscratch: Well no one since I can't play :frown:
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I plan to fly anything they add... when the caps stuff is fixed :noid
:lol That's priceless Lusche...love how you snuck that last part in there! :aok
A-26
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We need the 29 about as much as we'd need yet another spit variant.
Agreed, in the cartoon world we might as well have someone go up in lancs at 30k, B29 is not that special.
I voted Me-410
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:headscratch:
If 99% want a fighter... why don't they vote for one? 99% should be sufficient to win that...
I think he needs a chart......
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I think he needs a chart......
Maybe I need a chart, but what puzzles me is what you really need…
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There is no operational combat plane ever fielded that I would want denied from this game. Those who want to limit what AH is because they fear a particular capability is a sort of quarter slot gamers mentality that escapes me.
the 410 would be an awesome ride. The Beau would be awesome. So too would the A26. but NOTHING would be quite as awesome as the B29 :x
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I know the A-26 is a cool plane (I mean, it's awesome) but does Aces High need another allied bomer (out of the 11 we already have)?
I mean, really? Another allied bomer? :furious
And the dark side of me thinks it should be punishment that you all get the B-29 for even suggesting the A-26... :devil
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The B-29 is going to be a Lazer guided death star from hell. You could bomb the bajeezes out of everything with impunity.
I want no part of it. :furious
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(http://i892.photobucket.com/albums/ac129/tsss_2010/me410a.jpg)
Me 410
I can Agree thundregg,iam afraid that I see the b29 funflight low carpet bombing Gvs ore towns
-B29 have 2 compression sections if 1 is Damaged and loose pressure plane can fly 30min. over 13k after 30minutes this section should be blackout if plane is still over 13k
-b29 max alt 33k
-b29 Perk so that should have to fly in organized raids with escort
-b29 up from Large fields ore Large field around HQ ( you see darbar growing at enemy HQ,up you're Ki`s) :D
-b29 should have a minimum Bomb activate alt so that you cant fly Noe bombraids ( 5k ore more)
sorry for my English i was 1st time after 6 yrs at Nightshift and I feel that I am on drug :angel:
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The B-29 is going to be a Lazer guided death star from hell. You could bomb the bajeezes out of everything with impunity.
I want no part of it. :furious
You must be a Frenchman because that attitude is pure surrender :neener:
I love killing buffs and will REJOICE in the challenge of killing B29s. One just need to use some brains. I know its hard, but with practice anything is possible.
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You must be a Frenchman because that attitude is pure surrender :neener:
I love killing buffs and will REJOICE in the challenge of killing B29s. One just need to use some brains. I know its hard, but with practice anything is possible.
I don't have the patients to climb up to 30k & chase them for a half hour. Enjoy your buff hunting sir.
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One just need to use some brains. I know its hard, but with practice anything is possible.
You might try using yours before you attack someone who didn't attack you first. :neener:
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Death to the B-29 in AH!! :furious
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Death to the B-29 in AH!! :furious
Ranger, if we get the B-29, are you going to do a sound pack for it?
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I don't have the patients to climb up to 30k & chase them for a half hour. Enjoy your buff hunting sir.
Well there you go. Not a problem. Typically for me if a guy wants to spend the time to grab 30k in ANYTHING I wont bother with him. let him have the map I say. I will be bz finding my fun within a decent frame of time.
For me just the fact that HTC would consider the B29 is a reaffirmation of the core principle behind the game -WW2 Air Combat. I'm just happy it has been considered.
<S> Woody
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I wish the A-26 had won our last vote-off! :banana:
(http://imgur.com/LQ5JE.jpg)
(http://imgur.com/bh9Ln.jpg)
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I didn't vote for the b29, don't want it
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I have voted for nothing else. B29 Superfortress :banana:
Hope it wins the poll.
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I guess all the guys whining about the number of US birds are strict AvA players?
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On the bright side, I think it's pretty safe to say that any level bomber that is perked will be used as a level bomber.
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-B29 have 2 compression sections if 1 is Damaged and loose pressure plane can fly 30min. over 13k after 30minutes this section should be blackout if plane is still over 13k
Well, B-29 has regular oxygen supply for all crew members in addition to the pressurization and there were also portable oxygen units so that crew could move around with full supply of oxygen for 6-12 minutes at a time. The aircraft wasn't flown pressurized in combat zone for the very reason that damage might cause a rapid depressurization.
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On the bright side, I think it's pretty safe to say that any level bomber that is perked will be used as a level bomber.
You don't run into too many 234 bombers then as everytime I see 'em they are trying to get kills by enticing people to try to get behind them by getting low and slow and in front of you :neener: :salute
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Poll was only up for 2 days.............. 1% of the people voted so it really doesn't matter much.
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I guess all the guys whining about the number of US birds are strict AvA players?
not whining. ive turned into an american bird guy. but id take a 111 or a 410 over the 29. id also rather have the M18 and KIs and a6m3 over american planes
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I'm all excited about the new P-38 :rock
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I hear we are getting two of them........ The H model and the P38-Shuffle model. That one like the iPod that shuffles songs, but this one shuffles blender drinks..........
I'm all excited about the new P-38 :rock
IS IT TRUE, IS IT TRUE? :cheers:
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B29 should make for a nice big fat juicy target! without escorts, not a problem!
i think we should get more WW1 planes first, personally!
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i didn't....Me-410
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I hear we are getting two of them........ The H model and the P38-Shuffle model. That one like the iPod that shuffles songs, but this one shuffles blender drinks..........
IS IT TRUE, IS IT TRUE? :cheers:
:rofl
of course :aok
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The one thing about the B29 that nobody mentions is the gunnery.
We would not be getting a CFS. The B29 in the pacific had a 500 to 1 (roughly) K/D ratio because of the science behind the CFS...............
Our B29's will be nothing like that and to be perfectly honest, aside from the speed and the payload, won't be anything special at all.
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How about if we just carry troops instead of bombs :D
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A-26!
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :aok :aok :aok :rock :rock :rock :rock
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I'm all excited about the new P-38 :rock
We can not have the P-38K, only one was produced.
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Not really sure what I'll vote for this week..... :devil
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I'm all excited about the new P-38 :rock
H :x H
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Simple reading comprehension.
qouted from Pyro
8 planes will be used in the initial poll, we'll take the top 4 of those results and re-poll and then take the top 2 results of that for the final run-off. Use this thread to nominate planes for the poll.
Mea culpa.
Noticed that when I logged in last night.
Doh!!
wrongway
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We can not have the P-38K, only one was produced.
What is the minimal number. We have the TA-152........ only about 10 of those saw service in WWII.
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We can not have the P-38K, only one was produced.
This post is point < (pointless) :P
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What is the minimal number. We have the TA-152........ only about 10 of those saw service in WWII.
Ok, you can have the "K" but you Guppy35 and CAPl have to land it correctly. The arean is getting full of P-38 parts.
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Ok, you can have the "K" but you Guppy35 and CAPl have to land it correctly. The arean is getting full of P-38 parts.
Your asking alot there. Define correctly.
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I think the list of planes left is another sure sign that fighting/combat is no longer the main theme of the game. If it were, people would have picked a fighter, instead we have bombers. Like most other "elections" the majority once again prove that they havn't got a clue.
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Ranger, if we get the B-29, are you going to do a sound pack for it?
I can hear those big briggs and straton engines firing up on the runway now, the sound of a coffin door opening when I set to bomb, a creaky screen door for flaps, It will be epic :D
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I think the list of planes left is another sure sign that fighting/combat is no longer the main theme of the game. If it were, people would have picked a fighter, instead we have bombers. Like most other "elections" the majority once again prove that they havn't got a clue.
Let me say that the planes left are definitely not the ones I would have chosen. However, you are throwing some hard to prove ideas out there. How do you know that the majority is clueless? Further, how do the remaining choices indicate a disinterest in combat? I can imagine both contenders in combat situations. Can't you? :headscratch:
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I didn't. And I won't. Thank you very much.
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Your asking alot there. Define correctly.
LOL, i do not think i can.
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I think the list of planes left is another sure sign that fighting/combat is no longer the main theme of the game. If it were, people would have picked a fighter, instead we have bombers. Like most other "elections" the majority once again prove that they havn't got a clue.
You might have had a point...if there had been any fighter in that list with a profile and name recognition as high as the B-29 or invader. In other words, a P-47 or a Mustang or a Spitfire.
Not something relatively obscure like a Ki-43 or a YaK-3
Now that I hear some of you screaming... yes, I'm serious. How often do you think has the average young American subscriber has heard about the glorious B-29, and how often about the Ki-43?
(Another thing... since when is fighting defined as flying fighters only?)
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I think the list of planes left is another sure sign that fighting/combat is no longer the main theme of the game. If it were, people would have picked a fighter, instead we have bombers. Like most other "elections" the majority once again prove that they havn't got a clue.
What about people like me who like to fly buffs most of the time and don't do the whole dogfighting thing? I voted for aircraft that I intend to fly and none of those aircraft are fighters. Just because I don't vote or fly fighters doesn't mean I don't have a clue.
Believe it or not I fly bombers to enjoy the fights I get into with attacking fighters. I could care less about bombing things nowadays as I've been doing it for 10 years. An example: Last month I found myself facing Grizz and Kappa doubling teaming my B17's in Me262's. The battle went on for a good 5 minutes and in the end I lost but I gave both of them black eyes and smoked their engines. That fight is what I live for in Aces High, that is my dogfight.
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What is the minimal number. We have the TA-152........ only about 10 of those saw service in WWII.
False. 17 of the h-1
40 of the h-0
and 2 C-1s
edit: h-0 is very similar to the h-1 only a couple modifications.
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I bet the B-29 if far from uber. I would have liked something more.... Exotic. And the only exotic planes of strange attributes is the Ta-152.
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I think the list of planes left is another sure sign that fighting/combat is no longer the main theme of the game. If it were, people would have picked a fighter, instead we have bombers. Like most other "elections" the majority once again prove that they havn't got a clue.
The 410 is a fighter though.
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If I had been able to vote, I would have torn between the Oscar, 410 and the B-29.
I'm pretty sure I would have ended up with the 29, just because I would have loved to fight against it.
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I think the list of planes left is another sure sign that fighting/combat is no longer the main theme of the game. If it were, people would have picked a fighter, instead we have bombers. Like most other "elections" the majority once again prove that they havn't got a clue.
So most of those that play AH are just ignorant fools, while you and a select few are "enlightened" about what we need in the game?
Maybe HTC should have just consulted you personally, so the hangars could be filled with planes that only see the light of day a few times a year in the SEA.
Out of those eight in the poll, the B-29 and A-26 would (IMO) see the most useage and the B-29 is the only one besides the Beau that I would fly regularly. I voted for the B-29. Twice. We have many fighters to choose from in game, yet most fighter sorties are in 51Ds, Spits and F4Us. How often would we see a He111 or Ki-43 in the mains?
HTC put the B-29 in the poll. Are they clueless for offering it up to a vote? The majority of "clueless" pilots - the ones you hold in such low regard - would rather have something they will actually fly.
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I cannot imagine why this game needs the B-29.
But if it's coming we will need a latewar fighter with 40K cieling and 400mph+ speed and a big cannon to knock it out of the sky... hmmmmm
like the p-63! :D
TA-152 My friend....it only gets good at 30K+, guess we will be seeing more of it in action :aok
ohh...and for the count, I didn't vote B-29.. :rock
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The 410 is a fighter though.
And a not very good one at that as well.
ack-ack
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How often would we see a He111 or Ki-43 in the mains?
You'd see the Ki-43 just as much as you'd see the A6M5 in the LW arenas.
ack-ack
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You'd see the Ki-43 just as much as you'd see the A6M5 in the LW arenas.
ack-ack
Coming from a guy that loves flying the zeke, probably even more. :aok
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You'd see the Ki-43 just as much as you'd see the A6M5 in the LW arenas.
ack-ack
after an inital craze, much less than the A6M5 because
- the majority of A6M sorties is flown from CVs, Zeros are quite rare in pure land based battles. The Ki-43 however is no CV plane
- the A6M5 has 20mm cannons, which clearly making it the more attractive choice for the average player.
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(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff274/lowerbrook/bo20selecta-001.jpg)
:cry :cry :cry
oh well
410 :cheers:
B29 :furious
Beau Jest :banana: :banana: :banana:
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Zeros with 20mms or Ki43 with peashooters.....hmm.
On a side note:One of my most memorable sorties ever was in WBs. In a single sortie I downed six F4Fs in a Ki43 and landed with 97 rounds left over (loadout was 200). All cockpit snipes under 50 yards. Wish we had film back then :)
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I voted for the A26 for the main selfish reason that I will use it :aok, I'd love to see the 410 as well, and will vote for the 410 if the A26 is out the running. I do agree that the 111 is desperately needed in BOB battles. I'll never use the B29 personally, so not planning on voting that way.
:salute
BigRat
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Let me say that the planes left are definitely not the ones I would have chosen. However, you are throwing some hard to prove ideas out there. How do you know that the majority is clueless? Further, how do the remaining choices indicate a disinterest in combat? I can imagine both contenders in combat situations. Can't you? :headscratch:
Wow!!! Lets everyone take this personally!
First off anything over 51% is the majority, so that leave lots of room for people that still have a clue. No I really don't see much chance of combat with the choices left. You know as well as I that it's going to come down to the A26 or the B29. With either all we are going to see more dive bombing in buffs. Granted the A26 should excell at that, but fight??? Nope auger/bail rinse and repeat.
You might have had a point...if there had been any fighter in that list with a profile and name recognition as high as the B-29 or invader. In other words, a P-47 or a Mustang or a Spitfire.
Not something relatively obscure like a Ki-43 or a YaK-3
Now that I hear some of you screaming... yes, I'm serious. How often do you think has the average young American subscriber has heard about the glorious B-29, and how often about the Ki-43?
(Another thing... since when is fighting defined as flying fighters only?)
5-7 years ago you wouldn't have seen anything but fighters on that list. Back then that was what the game was about. We had a couple of buffs and mission did very well with them. Now all you see is people grabbing the biggest bomb load they can to dive bomb single GVs :rolleyes:
What about people like me who like to fly buffs most of the time and don't do the whole dogfighting thing? I voted for aircraft that I intend to fly and none of those aircraft are fighters. Just because I don't vote or fly fighters doesn't mean I don't have a clue.
Believe it or not I fly bombers to enjoy the fights I get into with attacking fighters. I could care less about bombing things nowadays as I've been doing it for 10 years. An example: Last month I found myself facing Grizz and Kappa doubling teaming my B17's in Me262's. The battle went on for a good 5 minutes and in the end I lost but I gave both of them black eyes and smoked their engines. That fight is what I live for in Aces High, that is my dogfight.
I'm guessing you'd be one of those in the 49% that does have a clue. I too like to fly buffs now and then. When there are no good fights going on I'll fill the time with a buff run or two. I'm not saying everyone "but a select few" are idiots, but we are inundated with kids playing a "game" and by game they have to play to an "endgame", in this case win the war, and they will do that any way they can. Now we are going to give them a bomber that carries MORE bombs and flys FASTER. This game had ALWAYS been about combat, and everything else was to be used as vehicles to that end. They might as well give each contry one tactical nuke to blow up those last 7 or 8 bases so they can "win da waz!"
So most of those that play AH are just ignorant fools, while you and a select few are "enlightened" about what we need in the game?
Maybe HTC should have just consulted you personally, so the hangars could be filled with planes that only see the light of day a few times a year in the SEA.
Out of those eight in the poll, the B-29 and A-26 would (IMO) see the most useage and the B-29 is the only one besides the Beau that I would fly regularly. I voted for the B-29. Twice. We have many fighters to choose from in game, yet most fighter sorties are in 51Ds, Spits and F4Us. How often would we see a He111 or Ki-43 in the mains?
HTC put the B-29 in the poll. Are they clueless for offering it up to a vote? The majority of "clueless" pilots - the ones you hold in such low regard - would rather have something they will actually fly.
To be honest with ya, I think Skuzzy put the B29 in the list so that it gets added. With out all the B29 threads on the boards and ensuing arguments that come from them He'll be able to cut back the time he spends monitoring the boards and have time for more important things like solitaire :neener:
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"Granted the A26 should excell at that, but fight??? Nope auger/bail rinse and repeat."
Its role should be just like the A20, in midwar. It's my mudmover that I can fight with. Granted most don't fight with it properly (only had one student ask for it), but those of us that do, really enjoy the A20. No reason to think that the A26 won't have the same role and surviveability in late war, as the A20 does in midwar.
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BigRat
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"Granted the A26 should excell at that, but fight??? Nope auger/bail rinse and repeat."
Its role should be just like the A20, in midwar. It's my mudmover that I can fight with. Granted most don't fight with it properly (only had one student ask for it), but those of us that do, really enjoy the A20. No reason to think that the A26 won't have the same role and surviveability in late war, as the A20 does in midwar.
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BigRat
Exactly! :aok
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"Granted the A26 should excell at that, but fight??? Nope auger/bail rinse and repeat."
Its role should be just like the A20, in midwar. It's my mudmover that I can fight with. Granted most don't fight with it properly (only had one student ask for it), but those of us that do, really enjoy the A20. No reason to think that the A26 won't have the same role and surviveability in late war, as the A20 does in midwar.
:salute
BigRat
I agree 100% it should, but will it? I don't think so. Thats what I'm trying to say here. People like you and Cobia and a bunch of others "get it". I too think it's a blast turn fighting in an A20. I love surprising the heck out of someone who thought they had an easy kill. They may still get it....especially with me at the controls, but they have to "fight" for it if they want it.
Today people don't look at the planes like we did years ago. In AW there were some guys that were just flat out deadly in an A26. They would come in and drop their load and then cap at 5-7k over the field. You won't find that today. If the A26 makes it in you'll see it used little more than the B25s are now. B29s will be the new Lancstuka...SuperStuka?
Until game play gets better all these new "toys" are going to be just that. That new toy your kid just HAS TO HAVE this Christmas, and it will be forgotten by New years. Thats why I wish the Beau, or the Oscar, even another Yak would have made it in instead. Atleast the hard core guys that fly the FSO and Senarios would use them and appreciate them.
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Today people don't look at the planes like we did years ago. In AW there were some guys that were just flat out deadly in an A26. They would come in and drop their load and then cap at 5-7k over the field. You won't find that today.
The main reason why players were successful in fighting with the A-26 in AW had nothing to do with how good the A-26 was but more due to the bad flight model that allowed all bombers in AW to fly like Zekes. That is why you had planes like the A-26 and B-17 that could out turn and out stall fight any fighter in the game.
ack-ack
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The main reason why players were successful in fighting with the A-26 in AW had nothing to do with how good the A-26 was but more due to the bad flight model that allowed all bombers in AW to fly like Zekes. That is why you had planes like the A-26 and B-17 that could out turn and out stall fight any fighter in the game.
ack-ack
Agreed Ack-Ack, it's like comparing apples to oranges, but you must admit that there are are those that can and more importantly WILL push their ride for all it's worth. You can't tell me BigRat and Cobia wouldn't fight the A26 with a bit more success than the A20 now just due to it having more guns. I'm sure other will catch on to it as well, but the vast majority won't bother, and that is whats slowly killing the game. It's much easier, and much quicker to dump your load, and bail as soon as the bombs explode, because after all we MUST Winz da waz!!!
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Wow!!! Lets everyone take this personally!
First off anything over 51% is the majority, so that leave lots of room for people that still have a clue. No I really don't see much chance of combat with the choices left. You know as well as I that it's going to come down to the A26 or the B29. With either all we are going to see more dive bombing in buffs. Granted the A26 should excell at that, but fight??? Nope auger/bail rinse and repeat.
5-7 years ago you wouldn't have seen anything but fighters on that list. Back then that was what the game was about. We had a couple of buffs and mission did very well with them. Now all you see is people grabbing the biggest bomb load they can to dive bomb single GVs :rolleyes:
You seem to be suffering from severe bout of nostalgica ...
5 years ago nothing was different in that regard. When I joined the game, tanks were carpet bombed the very same way they are today. Folks were bomb n bailing. Back then the race for reset was even worse because of the different rules to win the war.
And we wouldn't have seen any thing but fighters on the list? You mean that Pyro, who compiled the list in the first place went from a fight loving fighter guy to a stout supporter of bombers? ;)
And what about the constant requests for the B-29... did thay start only recently? Or could it be that they are even as old as this game? ;) (Impossible - "back then it was all about fighters" :lol)
"We had a couple of buffs and mission did very well with them." well, we have more than a couple of fighters and missions do very well with them too ...
Oh and again_: Why is only fighter vs fighter being defined as "combat". When I go up and hunt buffs... that is not combat?
Edit: And a last thing, on the tank hunting buffs. You might check the numbers on that. Only a very small fraction of tanks killed by planes is being carpet bombed by buffs. (in 2009, 2.9% by Lancs)
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The A-26 has wing loading of over 50lbs/sq.ft. It will not make anything like as good a "fighter" as the A-20G.
This is a plane that an Fw190D-9 can out turn in every sense of the word.
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I am formally introducing:
P.A.S.S.
Players Against Superfortress Silliness
:neener:
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I am formally introducing:
P.A.S.S.
Players Against Superfortress Silliness
:neener:
Diggin' the new avatar, Ranger! :aok
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Well this has been a fun read! :aok
* I for one see bombers being used in a much different role than dive bombing GVs. The little squad I'm in usually riles up quite a bit of combat around us every time we fly those cowardly bombers.
* None of these planes are going to drastically change the game. Inevitably the B-29 will be perked and eventually these perked planes will find their place. Like someone else said, HTC put the aircraft in the poll so obviously he isn't too worried about the effect on the game.
* The current bombers we have can take down all the hangers at a field, but not in one pass. Why is the B-29 going to be so much more drastically devastating? Maybe he has the ord to take out the hangers at multiple fields, but the hangers at the first field will already be popping before he's done with the second.
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Well this has been a fun read! :aok
* I for one see bombers being used in a much different role than dive bombing GVs. The little squad I'm in usually riles up quite a bit of combat around us every time we fly those cowardly bombers.
* None of these planes are going to drastically change the game. Inevitably the B-29 will be perked and eventually these perked planes will find their place. Like someone else said, HTC put the aircraft in the poll so obviously he isn't too worried about the effect on the game.
* The current bombers we have can take down all the hangers at a field, but not in one pass. Why is the B-29 going to be so much more drastically devastating? Maybe he has the ord to take out the hangers at multiple fields, but the hangers at the first field will already be popping before he's done with the second.
But but but but Jayhawk my bombing brother, don't you understand? The B29 would horribly unbalance the arena! I mean most planes wouldn't be able to catch it way up there in space where ALL buff pilots fly and fighter pilots NEVER venture. It would be used to close the bases on an entire front because buff pilots only live to hinder the humble and honorable fighter pilot. It's fast and has lots of pointy sticks coming out of the rear which means the humble fighter pilot cannot get cheap kills of it. It's big and would require a lot of time to make, and that time could be used to add in a P51H or a new P38, how about another Spitfire or 109. You know something we really need!
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But but but but Jayhawk my bombing brother, don't you understand? The B29 would horribly unbalance the arena! I mean most planes wouldn't be able to catch it way up there in space where ALL buff pilots fly and fighter pilots NEVER venture. It would be used to close the bases on an entire front because buff pilots only live to hinder the humble and honorable fighter pilot. It's fast and has lots of pointy sticks coming out of the rear which means the humble fighter pilot cannot get cheap kills of it. It's big and would require a lot of time to make, and that time could be used to add in a P51H or a new P38, how about another Spitfire or 109. You know something we really need!
:rofl
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I am formally introducing:
P.A.S.S.
Players Against Superfortress Silliness
:neener:
I'm in on this :aok
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And a not very good one at that as well.
ack-ack
Good enough for the B-38. :noid :D
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I'm in on this :aok
Advice: Run AWAY from the circle jerk. Not towards it :eek:
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I love how you guys deal in absolutes. Yes there will be many that will use the bombers as intrented. These are the ones that will generate the "combat" we seek, however the majority of players will abuse them and use them to cut corners to win the war as quick as possible. Why do you think we have the new spread out towns? It's not because the art team needed something to do, it to slow the base destruction down creating a bigger window for combat. Todays player doesn't want to fight for the win, they just want the win.
Sorry Lusche, maybe I have my timings wrong. Perhaps it was 7-9 years ago, but the game was surly more about fighting. We didn't have any LCA type squad groups, but ever establish squad had their nemesis. There was always that one squad that had their squad night on the same night just to foil your plans. Today squads avoid each other.
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I just don't see what you're seeing Fugitive. I think the "abuse" is done very rarely and by a minority of players. Maybe it just comes down to how you think the game should be played. Do you think I'm avoiding combat because I take a Mossie XVI up to 30k and bomb a field? Well I'm definitely avoiding fighters, but that's just smart. Combat isn't just fighter aircraft going one vs. one, the MA is much more than that.
Serious question here: Do you think the 91st Bomb Group is 'fighting' when we take 6 sets of 17s to a field and level it?
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Advice: Run AWAY from the circle jerk. Not towards it :eek:
Thanks for the advice yeager :lol :bolt:
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Since my PC died last week & now I see how the vote is being done I have voted for :headscratch: Well no one since I can't play :frown:
Well back in the swing now. HE-111 got my vote. :aok
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Advice: Run AWAY from the circle jerk. Not towards it :eek:
Leave my ankle alone. As usual, your opinion is none of my concern. bu' bye.
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who you get to buddy up with you is not my concern. I'm just trying to do my bit for returning to sanity, or fear :cheers:
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I love how you guys deal in absolutes. Yes there will be many that will use the bombers as intrented. These are the ones that will generate the "combat" we seek, however the majority of players will abuse them and use them to cut corners to win the war as quick as possible. Why do you think we have the new spread out towns? It's not because the art team needed something to do, it to slow the base destruction down creating a bigger window for combat. Todays player doesn't want to fight for the win, they just want the win.
Sorry Lusche, maybe I have my timings wrong. Perhaps it was 7-9 years ago, but the game was surly more about fighting. We didn't have any LCA type squad groups, but ever establish squad had their nemesis. There was always that one squad that had their squad night on the same night just to foil your plans. Today squads avoid each other.
your bomber paranoia is very entertaining.
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Fugitive,
were you here before the AW migration. Things were vastly different then, but of course we had little to nothing else to fight with back then. Just A2A fighter stuff.
For me this game hasn't changed much (regarding gameplay) since about 2003.
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Jayhawk, I don't think I've run into your group, but from what I've read on the boards my guess would be that you guys run at mid to high alt, level bomb and work to rtb as many as your planes as possible. If this is true, then you are using the planes as intended, you are creating the opertunity for combat due to the time you must take to set you approach routes for your runs as well as your exit routes to rtb.
I must be flying at the wrong times I guess. I fly Saturday afternoon into the evening most weekends. I am sure that in that time I will see one GV battle attacked by a dive bombing hvy buff. I will see at least 3 people bail from perfectly good bombers. I will see a half dozen bombers not bother to grab any alt and hold to luck to get their bombs off before they are killed.
Maybe the week day players are a better class, but I know I'll see the above pretty much every weekend without fail. I know it sounds like I like to whine about this stuff, but it what I see, and when I put those pieces together and compare them with "the old days" I see a very definite decline in the game play, and so the whine.
Maybe I'm seeing things wrong, but why was the radar changed? Maybe because too many people were avoiding fights? I'm just saying.
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Well back in the swing now. HE-111 got my vote. :aok
:aok me too. Have to log back in this week to vote though.
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Jayhawk, I don't think I've run into your group, but from what I've read on the boards my guess would be that you guys run at mid to high alt, level bomb and work to rtb as many as your planes as possible. If this is true, then you are using the planes as intended, you are creating the opertunity for combat due to the time you must take to set you approach routes for your runs as well as your exit routes to rtb.
I must be flying at the wrong times I guess. I fly Saturday afternoon into the evening most weekends. I am sure that in that time I will see one GV battle attacked by a dive bombing hvy buff. I will see at least 3 people bail from perfectly good bombers. I will see a half dozen bombers not bother to grab any alt and hold to luck to get their bombs off before they are killed.
Maybe the week day players are a better class, but I know I'll see the above pretty much every weekend without fail. I know it sounds like I like to whine about this stuff, but it what I see, and when I put those pieces together and compare them with "the old days" I see a very definite decline in the game play, and so the whine.
Maybe I'm seeing things wrong, but why was the radar changed? Maybe because too many people were avoiding fights? I'm just saying.
I generally stay away from the GV fights so maybe dive-bombing bombers are more prevalent there.
I invite you to come fly a mission with us sometime, pick up a B-17 or fly escort for us and just see how we do it. Saturday evenings are our squad nights, 9:00PM Eastern or 8:00 Central, Bish vox 191.
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I must be flying at the wrong times I guess. I fly Saturday afternoon into the evening most weekends. I am sure that in that time I will see one GV battle attacked by a dive bombing hvy buff. I will see at least 3 people bail from perfectly good bombers. I will see a half dozen bombers not bother to grab any alt and hold to luck to get their bombs off before they are killed.
I'm wondering if this might be a GV fight-centric phenomenon. I fly weekday evenings mostly, and when I can Saturday/Sunday. I don't generally seek out GV fights to fly over, but sometimes I wind up there. I'm usually more in the middle of the current furball/half-hearted base capture attempt. I see a fair number of low or low-ish bombers, but usually they're 10k and up. I rarely see a bomb and bail, and very occasionally see a Lancstuka.
Might it partly be that you're counting the hits and ignoring the misses? Do you really see 3 guys bail out absolutely every time you fly? Not calling you a liar, just wondering maybe if there's a bit of a confirmation bias going on, you're looking for it, therefore you notice it, y'know?
Wiley.
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Good enough for the B-38. :noid :D
Try again, better luck next time though.
ack-ack
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Try again, better luck next time though.
ack-ack
Bull's Eye.
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I generally stay away from the GV fights so maybe dive-bombing bombers are more prevalent there.
I invite you to come fly a mission with us sometime, pick up a B-17 or fly escort for us and just see how we do it. Saturday evenings are our squad nights, 9:00PM Eastern or 8:00 Central, Bish vox 191.
ewwww flying Bish, I don't know.... :neener:
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Since it's obvious that no consensus will be reached regarding heavy bombers, how about we all just get along and vote for the A-26 instead? :D
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Since it's obvious that no consensus will be reached regarding heavy bombers, how about we all just get along and vote for the A-26 instead? :D
That sounds great! :aok
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Voted for b-29<<<<cause you didnt put the panther on the list
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meeeee...voted for A-26
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"Who didn't vote for B29?"
...those who shave?
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HEY, I voted Beau..............
but then cause it was gone I voted B-29 :devil
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But but but but Jayhawk my bombing brother, don't you understand? The B29 would horribly unbalance the arena! I mean most planes wouldn't be able to catch it way up there in space where ALL buff pilots fly and fighter pilots NEVER venture. It would be used to close the bases on an entire front because buff pilots only live to hinder the humble and honorable fighter pilot. It's fast and has lots of pointy sticks coming out of the rear which means the humble fighter pilot cannot get cheap kills of it. It's big and would require a lot of time to make, and that time could be used to add in a P51H or a new P38, how about another Spitfire or 109. You know something we really need!
So what will a B29 add to the game that it doesn't already have? How will it enhance game play?
As one who wanted the Beaufighter, I can say that with it's different configurations it could be used any number of ways in the MA from just fighter mode, to torpedoes, to rockets to bombs. Scenario and FSO use would cover 1940-45 ETO, MTO, CBI and PTO which means a lot of different possibilities. The 29 fills one basic scenario use. Long range to Japan.
The He111 guys can at least point to B of B, Eastern Front, MTO use for that bird too. 410 covers at least a couple different roles. The Ki-43 fills a huge whole from 40-45 in the Japanese plane set and would be a perfect compliment to the Betty and would see much scenario use. The Russian birds cover more ground too.
The two birds that offer the least overall use outside of the MA, naturally seem to be the ones that folks want, the 29 and the A26.
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So what will a B29 add to the game that it doesn't already have? How will it enhance game play?
As one who wanted the Beaufighter, I can say that with it's different configurations it could be used any number of ways in the MA from just fighter mode, to torpedoes, to rockets to bombs. Scenario and FSO use would cover 1940-45 ETO, MTO, CBI and PTO which means a lot of different possibilities. The 29 fills one basic scenario use. Long range to Japan.
The He111 guys can at least point to B of B, Eastern Front, MTO use for that bird too. 410 covers at least a couple different roles. The Ki-43 fills a huge whole from 40-45 in the Japanese plane set and would be a perfect compliment to the Betty and would see much scenario use. The Russian birds cover more ground too.
The two birds that offer the least overall use outside of the MA, naturally seem to be the ones that folks want, the 29 and the A26.
Well, when a majority of people play solely in the MA... it kind of makes sense.
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Well, when a majority of people play solely in the MA... it kind of makes sense.
You didn't answer the question :)
And just to clarify, I'm not against bombers. I'd much rather the time went into adding an earlier version of the 17, either E or F, preferably F, possibly another Brit bomber or one of the LW mediums like the 111, or even Do-17.
Wouldn't you rather see a flight of 91st BG B17F and G, circa 1944 escorted by 51Bs and Ds, 47D11 and 25, and P38Js?
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The Russian birds cover more ground too.
A "slight" understatement. ;)
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So what will a B29 add to the game that it doesn't already have?
A 9th U.S. bomber.
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So what will a B29 add to the game that it doesn't already have?
Another iconic bird of WW2 that has been wished by many players for years.
How will it enhance game play?
Hm. I think it may enhance gameplay for those who like to fly bombers, and also for those that like the challenge to intercept such a difficult target.
Every plane that is added to AH hangar is enhancing gameplay by giving more options. Some more, some less.
And just to clarify, I'm not against bombers. I'd much rather the time went into adding an earlier version of the 17, either E or F, preferably F, possibly another Brit bomber or one of the LW mediums like the 111, or even Do-17.
I for one don't think gameplay is enhanced that much by adding another German early war bomber, before giving German Iron squads & players something more usable for the place 90% of the action does happen ;)
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That's tap dancing Lusche :)
OK so it's an He177 or even a Condor. It would still make more sense overall then the 29 in my opinion.
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That's tap dancing Lusche :)
OK so it's an He177 or even a Condor. It would still make more sense overall then the 29 in my opinion.
Replace Condor with a 217 or 188... we're talking about bombers :D
Yes, that would maybe make more sense for you and me, or for everyone trying to see it from (very?) high ground, for the "greater good" of the game.
But that's not what we should expect from a poll, or why a poll is being taken in the first place. It's simply a question "what would YOU like to have". It's like sitting on Santa Clause' lap. It happens just once every few years, and it's ok to be egoistic.
Balanced decisions about (of? on? my English grammar fails me) plane additions are Pyros/HiTechs domain. :)
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As always, very well said Lusche.
It's a difference between what the game needs (subjective term ultimately determined by HiTech) and what the players want. HTC has long stood by the belief that he shouldn't take player's wants into consideration for the game's needs. Every once in a while though, we get a chance to choose a want, and I'm taking advantage of it.
Even if the B-29 doesn't get selected, I'm thrilled it's being considered, it breaks a long chain of HTC silence on the subject.
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Didn't vote for it and voted for the Me-410...hopefully it comes into life in the next couple of years. Wish the Japanese rides would have made it farther along.
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I don't think Hitech will be able to satisfy everyones wants nor do I expect them too. However, I do agree that the aircraft flown should reflect what arena(early, mid or late) they were actually flown in. One thing to consider too no matter aircraft we get, ENY will determine how often it is flown. Jayhawk, I agree with you that in the end Hitech should determine what is needed for the betterment of the game and not merely giving in .
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I think perk price is going to have a much bigger impact. For a lot of people, perks are as much a psychological roadblock as an actual fiscal one. I have more than enough perks to loose a couple sets of 234s, but I still fly them very cautiously and plan my flights out religiously. I rarely fly the 262 even though I could loose a half dozen of them, and when I do, I'm much less aggressive than with an unperked plane. I foresee the B-29 falling into a similar role.
(Assuming it is won and perked, we don't actually know yet)
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I hope the 410 beats out the B-29...I say this because we all know the B-29 WILL be perked, and i just don't see myself upping B-29's if its gona cost an arm and a leg for a formation. I'd rather see a new plane everyone can have fun with and now the only option is the 410... :confused:
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Anyone who voted for the B-29 should be forced to fly Spit1s in the next BoB while massed JU-88s tear them apart.
Don't worry, we'll use the B-29 as the stand in for the He 111 in the next BoB scenario. :) Just kidding, of course.
My order of preference would be something like:
He 111
Pe-2
Yak-1
D4Y
B6N
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I didn't vote for anything at all, because HT should finish completing all existing aircraft to AH2 levels before spending time on adding new planes or GVs to the set.
<S>...-Gixer
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I voted for the Me410 at each step.
That said, you'll get no sorrow from me over the B-29's victory.
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I voted Ki-45 and then after that I voted He 111 and then 410, too bad Japanese craft didn't make it past round one.
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<---- Very disappointed the B29 won. I was hoping for the A26, or the 410. Out of the list, the B29 would have ranked dead last (in my book) somewhere behind a single troop bicycle. :(
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Maybe they'll put it in a new arena called End Of WAR Arena. :rofl
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they would have to give us the nooooook first..... then yes i would have to agree.......
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Gave it to the Beau!
Exactly!
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Sadly, B-29 won :cry
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Very sorry the B-29 won. I pretty much hoped I would never see it in the game. Now the new whine on the wish list will be the Atom bomb. Now that we are getting the B-29 that will be a whole new can of worms. The HE-111 or the ME-410 would have seen more over all use by a lot more players. Both planes saw more service in WWII than the be B-29 by far. The HE-111 most likely saw more service by 1942 than the B-29 did in its total service life. Oh well, it is what it is.
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I am so HAPPY the B29 has made it into the game...FINALLY. Been waiting twelve years to be able to take her up.
B29 represents the pinnacle of WW2 bombers. AH has taken a HUGE step forward :rock
Now for the P61 :cheers:
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I didn't vote for anything. But if I would have it would have been for the A36 :D
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Now for the P61 :cheers:
But the P-61 doesn't represent the pinnacle of WWII nightfighters. That is the Mosquito NF.30.
Also, the future of bombers was the path the Mosquito bombers and Ar234 showed. The B-29 was the last gasp of the gun turret bombers.
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i hope we get the non-turreted B-29's w/ extra incendiary's that wouldnt damage GV's.
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Me
Why should I vote for that plane...it isn't like we need ANOTHER 4 engine strategic NOE plane in the game.
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The B-29 will just turn into another 4 engined Stuka at GV spawns. However if the wings snap off in a Stuka like dive as they should I may like it better. I hope it is perked high enough that most player will not use it like that.
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Even for the careless, such actions will not go for long..... Once we all start losing the thousands of bomber perks we have, there will never be SuperStukas. :D
The B-29 will just turn into another 4 engined Stuka at GV spawns. However if the wings snap off in a Stuka like dive as they should I may like it better. I hope it is perked high enough that most player will not use it like that.
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The B-29 will just turn into another 4 engined Stuka at GV spawns. However if the wings snap off in a Stuka like dive as they should I may like it better. I hope it is perked high enough that most player will not use it like that.
How many Mosquito Mk XVIs get used as Stukas? It is far cheaper, and likely for more effective and survivable in that role, yet I doubt it is used like that very often. It is only 30 perk points and I would expect the B-29 to be anywhere from 3.3 to 10 times as expensive.
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Never in 1000 years would I use my Mossie for such things...... EGADS Man, bite your tongue......... :lol
How many Mosquito Mk XVIs get used as Stukas? It is far cheaper, and likely for more effective and survivable in that role, yet I doubt it is used like that very often. It is only 30 perk points and I would expect the B-29 to be anywhere from 3.3 to 10 times as expensive.
But while we're on the subject, Karnak makes a pretty darn good point. :aok
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How many Mosquito Mk XVIs get used as Stukas? It is far cheaper, and likely for more effective and survivable in that role, yet I doubt it is used like that very often. It is only 30 perk points and I would expect the B-29 to be anywhere from 3.3 to 10 times as expensive.
Thats the only thing I have left to hope for with the B29, perks. People don't care how effective a plane is, or how survivable it is. Most players (NOT ALL PLAYERS) are out for the biggest bang for the buck. Big bomb load and quick time to target is what they "need". Cost in lives, planes and at first even perk points will be unimportant. I'm hoping it's perked high enough that most people blow through them in the first weekend of release....one I hope to be away vacationing some place :D
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As I see again reference to heavy bombers bombing tanks in AH, just a few numbers to put things into perspective:
(http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/1006/killoftank.jpg)
Last tour, less than 10% of all M4A3(76) (the AH mainstay tank) that had been killed by planes were bombed by the Big Four. Out of ~740 M4 that died every day, only about 10 were carpet bombed.
:old: :D
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Some of you guys are hilarious!!!
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How many Mosquito Mk XVIs get used as Stukas? It is far cheaper, and likely for more effective and survivable in that role, yet I doubt it is used like that very often. It is only 30 perk points and I would expect the B-29 to be anywhere from 3.3 to 10 times as expensive.
would rather pay 200 perks for a shiny 29 then 30 for a wooden mossy with no guns :neener:
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if i would have been around for the poll. my vote would have went to the HE-111 or Pe-2
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I'm wondering if we will get the B-29H, which was the one with some structural enhancements and dive brakes for divebombing. I'm looking forward to those 12 forward firing 50-cal MG's, 10 forward firing 20 mm cannon, 8 forward firing 40 mm, and the capabilty to carry 60 HVAR rockets under the wings. I'm just wondering if they'll model the Sperry Target Master divebomb sight, which allows pickling off single 1000 lb-ers, predicting accurately where they will hit on the ground no matter what the aerial maneuver being done at the time. Should be awesome.
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As I see again reference to heavy bombers bombing tanks in AH, just a few numbers to put things into perspective:
(http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/1006/killoftank.jpg)
Last tour, less than 10% of all M4A3(76) (the AH mainstay tank) that had been killed by planes were bombed by the Big Four. Out of ~740 M4 that died every day, only about 10 were carpet bombed.
:old: :D
quit bringing actual data into this :D
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would rather pay 200 perks for a shiny 29 then 30 for a wooden mossy with no guns :neener:
Which is entirely beside the point of my post. Maybe you ought to consider remedial English courses instead of earning perk points...
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You can lead a horse to water......
Which is entirely beside the point of my post. Maybe you ought to consider remedial English courses instead of earning perk points...
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I'm wondering if we will get the B-29H, which was the one with some structural enhancements and dive brakes for divebombing. I'm looking forward to those 12 forward firing 50-cal MG's, 10 forward firing 20 mm cannon, 8 forward firing 40 mm, and the capabilty to carry 60 HVAR rockets under the wings. I'm just wondering if they'll model the Sperry Target Master divebomb sight, which allows pickling off single 1000 lb-ers, predicting accurately where they will hit on the ground no matter what the aerial maneuver being done at the time. Should be awesome.
You forgot to add the 150 production H models that had the 105mm pack howitzer in the nose.
ack-ack
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Here is a better question........... I wasn't here in 2000......... WTF is this?
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After Action Report:
Tokyo Daily Life
Round 1: 07:30 10/JUNE/45
Number of players
USAAF=21 IJN=14
Modifications of Rules
USAAF CO can change plane type balance.
IJN take off time changes to T+8min.
Result
USAAF rating is Good.
Primaly target Musashi factory(HQ) destroyed completely.
IJN rating is Poor.
USAAF got Good rating.
Round 2: 14:30 10/JUNE/45
Number of players
USAAF=19 IJN=14
Modifications of Rules
USAAF CO can change plane type balance.
IJN take off time changes to T+5min (Default Rule).
USAAF Primaly target changes to Ammo Complex.
Result
USAAF rating is Fair.
Primaly target Ammo Complex destroyed 52%.(13 of B29s flied this round. 100% needed for Good. 50% needed for Fair.)
IJN rating is Fair.
USAAF got Fair rating.
Story
USAAF HQ reported this raid as usual. 50% loss of B29 at 2nd wave iwas recomended. But they never change anytactics or strategy.
Japanese News Paper 'News Rising Sun' report this battle Overhelming Victory of IJN intercepters. But they never report destruction of factories.
This was special for pilots who flied there. But this was usual for both countries.
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Me, either time, beaufighter and me410