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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: oakranger on November 02, 2010, 03:03:39 PM
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I think it is time that there should be a club for people who loves flying the P-47. I can name four including me. So if you are a Jug devotee, let me know.
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Juggalo Nation, whattup.
I just like to shoot em though.
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Me and at least Hajo will be in.
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Dancing Jugs , just point the Fat Lady's nose down and dance
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Good idea Oakranger, I was thinking the same thing~ I don't normally fly LW, but in MW and AvA you will have my company. Iwould be coo, to practice in the DA with some fellow jugheads :aok.
Any good ideas for a name?
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Yall have a penchant for Archie's sidekick?
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Yall have a penchant for Archie's sidekick?
LOL, no.
No name yet, Something that we need to come up with.
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LOL, no.
No name yet, Something that we need to come up with.
please avoid any Juggalo reference, otherwise I'll need to go hunting more often
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How about Secret Association Of P-47 Pilots. :devil
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How about Secret Association Of P-47 Pilots. :devil
hahahahaha do they have it copyrighted ©
could be called Mothers Jugs
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Joint
Union of
Goofy
Guys
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I think it is time that there should be a club for people who loves flying the P-47. I can name four including me. So if you are a Jug devotee, let me know.
My dad along with a few other sticks made the J.U.G.S. a while back.. (Jug Unification and Guidance Society) Just a bunch of us getting together here and there to provide mission objectives, fighter sweeps, CV sinking, base leveling, and tactics for the rest of the country. I'll keep an eye on this post and see where it goes, so count me in and ask if any help needed.
Long live the JUGS! :rock
:salute SWkiljoy
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You guys are making me wanna come back.....
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I can entice you with pics of scantily clad women if you like :D
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Have to say, 47 is a sweet ride! Escorted thundregg and his boys with em one night and did really well. Also, me and Strokes did a marathon sortie once. Re-armed like 3-4 times. Ended up with a total of 11 kills (he had 9, I had 2. Guess you can see who played bait!)
Good luck guys! :aok
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Consortium of the Rarely Airbourne P-47 Pilot, or CRAPP for short. :aok
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Basically, someone is trying to form a group for flying target drones? That's all the P-47 is good for.
ack-ack
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Basically, someone is trying to form a group for flying target drones? That's all the P-47 is good for.
ack-ack
It's a very good for killing CA's. The puffy ack ignores the 20 ENY of the D-40.
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This has the potential to cause some health issues within this aging community...seeing all those jugs on the screen...I don't know...could be bad :D :D
(.Y.)Double D's(.Y.) FTW
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pff cant climb, cant accelerate, weighs too much. average bomb truck at best :bolt:
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Consortium of the Rarely Airbourne P-47 Pilot, or CRAPP for short. :aok
LOL!!
Basically, someone is trying to form a group for flying target drones? That's all the P-47 is good for.
ack-ack
But jugs are so fun to play with! :O
I can entice you with pics of scantily clad women if you like :D
YES!! :D
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I love juggs, I'm in. :salute
killb8
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I like T.he I.ncreasingly T.op-heavy T.hunderbolt S.ociety. But that's just me.
I love my 47. She's full, and warm, and soft in all the right areas, while firm and resilient in others. Oh to feel her smooth outer skin and... sorry got carried away there. Count me in if you have enough to get this idea rolling.
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I like flying the jug now and again.
So, what is everyones favorite model of P47?
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Ok, so far i have Seadog36, SWkiljoy, kcfarris, and SEseph. There are a few in the arenas that fly Jugs a lot, but sure if they come on here. And if you know anybody that might be interest fill them in.
How is this: Society for Jug Flayers Anonymous (S.J.F.A.)
Consortium of the Rarely Airbourne P-47 Pilot, or CRAPP for short. :aok
lol
Basically, someone is trying to form a group for flying target drones? That's all the P-47 is good for.
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LOL, you are a hoot, Ack-Ack. When you want to say something, you just come out and say it. :aok
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oh count me in the D11 is my favorite
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I feel as if I have seen this thread before.
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I feel as if I have seen this thread before.
Not by me but from another group about 2 years ago.
oh count me in the D11 is my favorite
OK, 68Zoom is in.
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Just have to ignore the 38 geeks. They think they are the only ones that can boom and zoom. The fact is, when they lift up low and slow they are the victims of bnz 47s all the time.Most of them just go for the tired old 38 rope every time. Makes me laugh, when I see it. I'm a D-11 fan but I've peen pushing for a D-23 uber razorback w the paddle props, higher horsepower and under wing hard points.
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n83/Urbanflotsom1/burmarazorback-1.jpg)
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n83/Urbanflotsom1/razrbk1-1.jpg)
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Just have to ignore the 38 geeks. They think they are the only ones that can boom and zoom. The fact is, when they lift up low and slow they are the victims of bnz 47s all the time.Most of them just go for the tired old 38 rope every time. Makes me laugh, when I see it. I'm a D-11 fan but I've peen pushing for a D-23 uber razorback w the paddle props, higher horsepower and under wing hard points.
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n83/Urbanflotsom1/burmarazorback-1.jpg)
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n83/Urbanflotsom1/razrbk1-1.jpg)
I never tire to clime after a P-38, good way to get caught in a trap. P-47D-23 would be nice but highly unlikely that we will see it.
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Here are a few more Barrel Nosed Beauties...(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n83/Urbanflotsom1/repub-p47d22.jpg)
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n83/Urbanflotsom1/p47formation-1.jpg)
[/img]http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n83/Urbanflotsom1/jug.jpg[/img]
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n83/Urbanflotsom1/jug.jpg)
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n83/Urbanflotsom1/4294195373_b3748f4c58_b-2.jpg)
This one survived an 88mm hit, 47's are under modeled for the weight penalty in the game too
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Just
Us
Goofy
Guys
Singin'
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Anybody else that might be interest in joining, let me know.
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Just
Us
Goofy
Guys
Singin'
Lets find a name that doesn't have such a ridiculous definition, for example:
2.sap - a person who lacks good judgment
fool, muggins, saphead, tomfoolass
- a pompous fool buffoon, clown - a rude or vulgar fool :devil
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Lets find a name that doesn't have such a ridiculous definition, for example:
2.sap - a person who lacks good judgment
fool, muggins, saphead, tomfoolass
- a pompous fool buffoon, clown - a rude or vulgar fool :devil
aw, leave shuffler alone. He is just having some fun. :aok
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Anybody else that might be interest in joining, let me know.
I think WWhiskey from my squad would be. He is an M fanatic. I'll let him know.
There was an airfield of Kearby's 348th called Thunder Valley~ maybe Thunder Valley Fliers
Shuff and the rest off the sapp gang can handle a little good teasing, they know how to dish it out too :salute
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I think WWhiskey from my squad would be. He is an M fanatic. I'll let him know.
There was an airfield of Kearby's 348th called Thunder Valley~ maybe Thunder Valley Fliers
Shuff and the rest off the sapp gang can handle a little good teasing, they know how to dish it out too :salute
Yes, WWhisky would be great to have. It dose not matter what P-47 they fly, if they love flying it, they are in.
SAPP group are fun to fight. Always enjoy their tactics and trying to find away to counter attack it. Maybe every once in a while us and SAPP get together and hunt down enemy cons. :aok
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The 65th fighting noodles was a jug squadron. Just saying.
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Just have to ignore the 38 geeks. They think they are the only ones that can boom and zoom. The fact is, when they lift up low and slow they are the victims of bnz 47s all the time.Most of them just go for the tired old 38 rope every time.
there are three things that are snacks for the P-38 - Japanese planes, Spitfires and P-47s. Face it, the P-47 is nothing more than a brick with the maneuverability to match. P-47s flyers are players that aren't skilled enough to fly the vastly superior P-38 and there isn't one P-47 pilot in Aces High that can be considered any competition for even the most inexperienced P-38 pilot.
In fact, the P-47 drivers only have two maneuvers...Dive and run.
ack-ack
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Lets find a name that doesn't have such a ridiculous definition, for example:
2.sap - a person who lacks good judgment
fool, muggins, saphead, tomfoolass
- a pompous fool buffoon, clown - a rude or vulgar fool :devil
Close.... very close :P
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The 65th fighting bowling balls was a jug squadron. Just saying.
If you are insinuating that i am trying to start a squadron of P-47, no i am not. Just a club kind of like SAPP.
there are three things that are snacks for the P-38 - Japanese planes, Spitfires and P-47s. Face it, the P-47 is nothing more than a brick with the maneuverability to match. P-47s flyers are players that aren't skilled enough to fly the vastly superior P-38 and there isn't one P-47 pilot in Aces High that can be considered any competition for even the most inexperienced P-38 pilot.
In fact, the P-47 drivers only have two maneuvers...Dive and run.
ack-ack
For the most part, i agree with you. However, i strongly disagree of what you say about the skill level of a person flying a P-47.
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J4L mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Jugz 4 Life yo!!
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How about Secret Association Of P-47 Pilots. :devil
bah... Secret Association of P-51 Pilots. :t
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there are three things that are snacks for the P-38 - Japanese planes, Spitfires and P-47s. Face it, the P-47 is nothing more than a brick with the maneuverability to match. P-47s flyers are players that aren't skilled enough to fly the vastly superior P-38 and there isn't one P-47 pilot in Aces High that can be considered any competition for even the most inexperienced P-38 pilot.
In fact, the P-47 drivers only have two maneuvers...Dive and run.
ack-ack
Perhaps you have never heard of lepape, or seen his video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3HPaXGUDrM
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Perhaps you have never heard of lepape, or seen his video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3HPaXGUDrM
I've heard of him and fought against him and I stand by my original statement.
ack-ack
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I must just be killing only very bad P-38 pilots in my noob jug...
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n83/Urbanflotsom1/AKAK.jpg)
I seem to recall most P-38 jocks in MW employing the de-ack the field and vulch tactic. Then scurrying home to land their cheap scalps if someone came in above them or once the numbers were not in their favor.
AKAK, This is a thread for people who want to fly a very important cool bird together, maybe you should be patting other 38 guys on the back in different threads instead of strutting around with a misguided superiority complex. Both aircraft did very well in the PTO and the 47 outdid the 38 in the ETO and MTO by a long shot. A Jug can be a very formidable machine, I've got a lot to learn but it makes me happy trying.
Come fly with us sometime.
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I must just be killing only very bad P-38 pilots in my noob jug...
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n83/Urbanflotsom1/AKAK.jpg)
I seem to recall most P-38 jocks in MW employing the de-ack the field and vulch tactic. Then scurrying home to land their cheap scalps if someone came in above them or once the numbers were not in their favor.
AKAK, This is a thread for people who want to fly a very important cool bird together, maybe you should be patting other 38 guys on the back in different threads instead of strutting around with a misguided superiority complex. Both aircraft did very well in the PTO and the 47 outdid the 38 in the ETO and MTO by a long shot. A Jug can be a very formidable machine, I've got a lot to learn but it makes me happy trying.
Come fly with us sometime.
Now now, he is just one P-38 junkie that is make these negative waves about the P-47.
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Yet.... It's absurd. Or at least one part is......... The Jug is highly maneuverable, it'll turn with the best of them. :old:
... I stand by my original statement.
ack-ack
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Akak, miss ya bro. U remember that 1 fight with you and me where we both ended up missing most of our pieces? The one where my wings were gone, your tail gone, my engine shot out and I dead sticked to the CV?
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I've heard of him and fought against him and I stand by my original statement.
ack-ack
Really? Because I saw no "running" in that video. And even so, he would only be using his advantage. Dont know why people have a problem with other people using the best of their machines. If 51's and 47's are more for speed than turning, then why should they do anything else? That's all Im saying. I just think it is ignorant to say and I quote
P-47s flyers are players that aren't skilled enough to fly the vastly superior P-38 and there isn't one P-47 pilot in Aces High that can be considered any competition for even the most inexperienced P-38 pilot.
There are a ton of good P47 sticks that own my 38 and my hat is off to them. Keep on flying you big beautiful jugs!
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to be honest i fly both planes, i kill just as much in a 38 as i do a 47, actually more kills in the 38's, so when you said " P-47s flyers are players that aren't skilled enough to fly the vastly superior P-38 and there isn't one P-47 pilot in Aces High that can be considered any competition for even the most inexperienced P-38 pilot." quote by AKAK ... that's absurd
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I remember back in the AH1 days Fester could fly a P-47 very well.
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I feel as if I have seen this thread before.
I do believe that's true. Someone else tried to get the Jug guys organized a while back. I guess the Jug guys just aren't sappy enough :)
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to be honest i fly both planes, i kill just as much in a 38 as i do a 47, actually more kills in the 38's, so when you said " P-47s flyers are players that aren't skilled enough to fly the vastly superior P-38 and there isn't one P-47 pilot in Aces High that can be considered any competition for even the most inexperienced P-38 pilot." quote by AKAK ... that's absurd
:aok utterly absurd. Ignore it. What type of 47 do you like to fly? Do you ever fly MW?
Oakranger, are the guys from the 56th FG active? How about Stoney74 and his 348th? My squad flies with the Checkertails from time to time and I see Kuhn in a jug quite a bit.
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Oakranger, are the guys from the 56th FG active? How about Stoney74 and his 348th? My squad flies with the Checkertails from time to time and I see Kuhn in a jug quite a bit.
Seadog, i have not seen anybody in the 56th FG well over a year. I think they are nor longer active.
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Im in, D-11 is my favorite ride.
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I used to be in the"JUGGS" I still get in them as often as my wife will let me!! :x
I'm in! :banana:
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I must just be killing only very bad P-38 pilots in my noob jug...
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n83/Urbanflotsom1/AKAK.jpg)
I seem to recall most P-38 jocks in MW employing the de-ack the field and vulch tactic. Then scurrying home to land their cheap scalps if someone came in above them or once the numbers were not in their favor.
AKAK, This is a thread for people who want to fly a very important cool bird together, maybe you should be patting other 38 guys on the back in different threads instead of strutting around with a misguided superiority complex. Both aircraft did very well in the PTO and the 47 outdid the 38 in the ETO and MTO by a long shot. A Jug can be a very formidable machine, I've got a lot to learn but it makes me happy trying.
Come fly with us sometime.
cough cough photoshop
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q96/Shuff_photos/smiley-2.gif)
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there are three things that are snacks for the P-38 - Japanese planes, Spitfires and P-47s. Face it, the P-47 is nothing more than a brick with the maneuverability to match. P-47s flyers are players that aren't skilled enough to fly the vastly superior P-38 and there isn't one P-47 pilot in Aces High that can be considered any competition for even the most inexperienced P-38 pilot.
In fact, the P-47 drivers only have two maneuvers...Dive and run.
ack-ack
:rofl :rofl :rofl
:noid
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YEAH!
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n83/Urbanflotsom1/scrt190flam-1.jpg)
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n83/Urbanflotsom1/snojug.jpg)
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n83/Urbanflotsom1/jusdn-1.jpg)
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cough cough photoshop
I actually clipped it right out of the player stats with paint~ It's there for anyone to look up, but that IS funny. I would not be that modest if I was going to inflate the numbers with photoshop :rofl To be fair to you, I think I remember that fight. You were low slow and very very damaged, turning with someone that stalled out or was bingo. I just finished you off.
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q96/Shuff_photos/smiley-2.gif)
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to be honest i fly both planes, i kill just as much in a 38 as i do a 47, actually more kills in the 38's, so when you said " P-47s flyers are players that aren't skilled enough to fly the vastly superior P-38 and there isn't one P-47 pilot in Aces High that can be considered any competition for even the most inexperienced P-38 pilot." quote by AKAK ... that's absurd
Are you stepping up to the plate?
ack-ack
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My god you people take Ak Ak way too seriously...he is simply employing his brand of troll/comedy. It's all said in fun.
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Are you stepping up to the plate?
ack-ack
what plate am i stepping up to the BS plate? like i said your statement is absurd, according to you anyone that flys a 47 isnt skilled enough to fly a P38, wow guess i better not fly the 38 then sense its to hard to fly :rolleyes: troll on
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what plate am i stepping up to the BS plate? like i said your statement is absurd, according to you anyone that flys a 47 isnt skilled enough to fly a P38, wow guess i better not fly the 38 then sense its to hard to fly :rolleyes: troll on
My god you people take Ak Ak way too seriously...he is simply employing his brand of troll/comedy. It's all said in fun.
:cheers:
I like the D11. Only been flying it a few months tho.
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In this game P38 and P47 two planes with entirely different attributes.
During WWII the Jug early war was used as an escort. Later also.
In the PAC the 47N was the long range escort.
Contrary to popular belief very few fights took place at 100 feet swirling and twirling.
In Europe most were high alt escort runs. The Jug performs better at high alt then the P38.
Choice of combat would go to the P47 at 23K or higher. The P38 just doesn't have enough HP.
The P47 was just flat out faster then the 38 at mid20K or above. So in real combat, where
the smart pilot would use what his aircraft does best against any other aircraft, this case the 38.
The 38 would only be a threat short term if higher....the P47 would just walk away. Or extend
and take pot shots at the 38 at will. P38 could not do anything about it.
As Heinz Barr said when asked about the 38, we had no fear of them we were more concerned with the
51s and 47s which had greater speed. We were especially envious of the P47s ruggedness. They were much
more difficult to bring down.
Robert Johnson would testify to that...so would Pipz Priller.
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It seems that my earlier statement was ignored. Let me restate it.
My god you people take Ak Ak way too seriously...he is simply employing his brand of troll/comedy. It's all said in fun.
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Brown Baron AKAK and I have known one another for years....this isn't new. :D
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J.U.G.S. was formed by JeepinAZ and had 19 actual members as well as a bunch of followers. We flew every other Sunday for a few hours in the late afternoon. The website I created for the group is still active http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/AH_JUGS/ (http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/AH_JUGS/) and members can access all the files and pictures and movies. Jeepin left AH after about a year of this and BLAMMO and I took the reins.
Another year or so elapsed b4 real life grabbed BLAMMO from us. Overall a good run and we all learned a lot.
<S> to all those that flew with us: WWhiskey, Redlegs, Stodd, Caz1, Bosco, DCannons, LilMak, LilDragon(SWkiljoy), Serenity, and the rest I can't remember. Good time and lots of memories.
Oh yeah, I'm in.
SWchef
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In this game P38 and P47 two planes with entirely different attributes.
During WWII the Jug early war was used as an escort. Later also.
In the PAC the 47N was the long range escort.
Contrary to popular belief very few fights took place at 100 feet swirling and twirling.
In Europe most were high alt escort runs. The Jug performs better at high alt then the P38.
Choice of combat would go to the P47 at 23K or higher. The P38 just doesn't have enough HP.
The P47 was just flat out faster then the 38 at mid20K or above. So in real combat, where
the smart pilot would use what his aircraft does best against any other aircraft, this case the 38.
The 38 would only be a threat short term if higher....the P47 would just walk away. Or extend
and take pot shots at the 38 at will. P38 could not do anything about it.
As Heinz Barr said when asked about the 38, we had no fear of them we were more concerned with the
51s and 47s which had greater speed. We were especially envious of the P47s ruggedness. They were much
more difficult to bring down.
Robert Johnson would testify to that...so would Pipz Priller.
:aok +1 Johnson also testifies that the D-23 with the paddle prop would easily outclimb 109s and even left a Spit 9 hanging.
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J.U.G.S. was formed by JeepinAZ and had 19 actual members as well as a bunch of followers. We flew every other Sunday for a few hours in the late afternoon. The website I created for the group is still active http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/AH_JUGS/ (http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/AH_JUGS/) and members can access all the files and pictures and movies. Jeepin left AH after about a year of this and BLAMMO and I took the reins.
Another year or so elapsed b4 real life grabbed BLAMMO from us. Overall a good run and we all learned a lot.
<S> to all those that flew with us: WWhiskey, Redlegs, Stodd, Caz1, Bosco, DCannons, LilMak, LilDragon(SWkiljoy), Serenity, and the rest I can't remember. Good time and lots of memories.
Oh yeah, I'm in.
SWchef
Well it seems like we have the makings of a pretty good group now~ I joined JUGS (which I think is a pretty fitting name) Who is heading it up now Hajo? Can I propose a new JUGS meeting in the DA for a meet and greet on Thurs Nov. 11th before we venture out in the MA to whoop azz? Roll call...
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:aok +1 Johnson also testifies that the D-23 with the paddle prop would easily outclimb 109s and even left a Spit 9 hanging.
Don't take Johnson's quote out of context, though. He said the Jug out-zoomed the Spit 9, but the P-47 was over taken by the Spitfire in a sustained climb.
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For you Jug fans...pretty interesting conclusions from this comparison report on the P-47 against the FW 190 (type not specified), Spitfire Mk IX, Mustang X (experimental model to test the Merlin engine), P-38F and Typhoon Ib. The P-47s used for this comparison were the P-47C (series not specificed) and the P-47D (series not specified).
Just a brief rundown on the conclusions. For full details, click on the link at the end of the post to read the report.
Just a little backround on this report. This is an addendum to "A.F.D.U (Air Fighting Development Unit) Report # 66" on the tactical trials of the P-47C, night flying trails and tactical trials against the FW 190. This addendum are the results of that trial. Again, I am just going to list the conclusions for this post. Many will find it rather interesting.
Again, let me state that the P-47 used for this report was the P-47C and the P-47D (though the D might be a typo since all other trials were using the C). While no specific version of the FW 190 is given, the report does list the weights used for the test. The Spitfire is a "Mk IX", the P-38 is a "F", Typhoon is a "Ib" and the Mustang was the experimental prototype to test the Merlin 65 in the Mustang.
Nightflying trials:
The P-47 shows too much exhaust glow to be suitable as a night fighter
P-47D vs. FW 190
General:
The FW 190 was flown by an experienced pilot of A.F.D.U, and the Thunderbolt by pilots of the U.S.A.A.F. The FW 190 was loaded as a fighter to 8,300 lbs., and the Thunderbolt to 13,140 lbs.
Conclusion:
The Thunderbolt can only evade the FW 190 successfully by diving; it is out-classed in the climb and general manoeuvrability, with the possible exception of combats at ground level.
P-47 vs. Spitfire Mk IX
Performance:
The initial acceleration from level flight of the Spitfire IX is better than that of the P-47. The maximum speeds at 20,000ft and 28,000ft. are approximately the same, but above 28,000ft the Spitfire Mk IX is slightly faster. The rate of climb of the Spitfire Mk IX is much higher than the P-47 at all heights up to 30,000ft., being the maximum at which the P-47 is flown. In zoom climb the performance of the P-47 is similiar to that of the Spitfire Mk IX over limited intervals. The P-47 is able to out-dive the Spitfire quite easily.
Manoeuvrability:
In rate of roll there is little difference to choose between the two aircraft, but in turning circles the Spitfire is superior to the heavier P-47. It was found that after four turns, the Spitfire IX could get on the tail of the P-47 and remain there.
P-47 vs. Typhoon IB
General:
As the Typhoon is a low altitude fighter, comparative trials were only carried out at heights up to 20,000ft. Above this height the P-47 has a considerably better performance than the Typhoon.
Performance:
Initial acceleration from level flight was found to be approximately equal for the two aircraft. The Typhoon was found to be faster at all heights up to 15,000ft. Above this height it was found to be only slightly faster than the P-47 up to 22,000ft. The Typhoon as a greater rate of climb up to 10,000ft, but between 10,000ft and 20,000ft., the P-47 has the advantage. In full throttle dives both aircraft are equal.
Manoeuvrability:
The P-47 was considered far superior in rate of roll to the Typhoon and at 20,000ft., proved itself slightly better in turning circles.
P-47 vs. Mustang X
Performance:
At heights below 27,000ft., the Mustang X is considerably faster than the P-47. At 27,000ft., the Mustang X is about 10mph faster and can accelerate away and maintain its lead fairly easily. Trials were not carried out above 27,000ft. The rate of climb of the Mustang is better than that of the P-47 at all heights up to 27,000ft. The Mustang has better initial acceleration in a dive and can maintain this lead in full throttle dives.
Manoeuvrability:
The rate of roll of the P-47 is considerably better than that of the Mustang. In rate of turn the two aircraft are practically identical.
P-47 vs. P-38F
Performance:
The initial acceleration of the two aircraft was found to be identical. At 20,000ft., the P-38F is 10-15mph faster than the P-47; at 24,000ft., the performance is approximately equal and above 25,000ft., the P-47 was superior about 10mph. The P-38F has a far better rate of climb than the P-47 and a much steeper angle of climb. In comparative dives there was nothing to choose between the two aircraft.
Manoeuvrability:
In turning circles the P-38F was slightly better, and was certainly able to turn so slowly in a climbing turn, especially to the right that the P-47 was unable to follow. When 'bounced' by the P-47 the P-38F was able to turn very sharply and accelerate much more quickly than the P-47.
Here is the opinion formed by the RAF pilot that flew the P-47 during these trials.
A) "It is essentially a high altitude fighter, ideally suited for dive and zoom tactics."
B) "The aircraft is virtually a flying destroyer, having 4 - .5 machine guns in each wing."
C) "The P-47 is far superior to the Kittyhawk for interception of enemy bombers over 22,000ft."
D) "This aircraft is comparable with the P-38 (Lockheed Lightning) and is much easier to manoevre. However, I would prefer the P-38 to the P-47"
Link to Report#66 (http://www.mediafire.com/?d83eh6xs3dgkn51)
Pretty interesting and you Jug fans will note that even the guy that flew the P-47 during these trials preferred the P-38 over the Thunderbolt. :devil
ack-ack
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i like them both anyway, each have roles that suit them, i love the 38 for helping bomb GV's it's much more nimble for that role, once the eggs and rockets are gone its a great fighter off the deck, great climb rate for sure, It's to easy to get low and slow in a 47 doing the same role making you a real big target, so it's not the best for that role, now high alt bomber intercepts the 47 does a real good job for that,important part is keeping the 47 fast
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I was really impressed with the D11 on the deck with seafires and F4U's! Really freaks people out when I am staying with them! :devil
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the vastly superior P-38 and there isn't one P-47 pilot in Aces High that can be considered any competition for even the most inexperienced P-38 pilot.
In fact, the P-47 drivers only have two maneuvers...Dive and run.
ack-ack
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A) "It is essentially a high altitude fighter, ideally suited for dive and zoom tactics."
B) "The aircraft is virtually a flying destroyer, having 4 - .5 machine guns in each wing."
C) "The P-47 is far superior to the Kittyhawk for interception of enemy bombers over 22,000ft."
D) "This aircraft is comparable with the P-38 (Lockheed Lightning) and is much easier to manoevre. However, I would prefer the P-38 to the P-47"[/quote]
Well once again you find evidence to discredit your ridiculous "vastly superior" claim. A)B)C) and D) all sound like high praise to me. One RAF pilot comparing a C or very early D jug, would prefer a comparable aircraft that was much more difficult to manuver...hmmmm Why?
~he must be part of the Dead.Society.of P-38.Pilots
Regardless of this bloke's strange preferences, Jugs destroyed more German aircraft than any other US type, even though 38s were in use before them in the war.
Heinz Bar, a German ace with 221 victories said "we have NO FEAR of them... (P-38s)" No fear of Ack-Ack's vastly superior plane...221 actual victories pffft. What could his opinion mean.
You are very good entertainment Ack-Ack! Please moderate some more!
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chomp :noid
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the vastly superior P-38 and there isn't one P-47 pilot in Aces High that can be considered any competition for even the most inexperienced P-38 pilot.
In fact, the P-47 drivers only have two maneuvers...Dive and run.
ack-ack
A) "It is essentially a high altitude fighter, ideally suited for dive and zoom tactics."
B) "The aircraft is virtually a flying destroyer, having 4 - .5 machine guns in each wing."
C) "The P-47 is far superior to the Kittyhawk for interception of enemy bombers over 22,000ft."
D) "This aircraft is comparable with the P-38 (Lockheed Lightning) and is much easier to manoevre. However, I would prefer the P-38 to the P-47"
Well once again you find evidence to discredit your ridiculous "vastly superior" claim. A)B)C) and D) all sound like high praise to me. One RAF pilot comparing a C or very early D jug, would prefer a comparable aircraft that was much more difficult to manuver...hmmmm Why?
~he must be part of the Dead.Society.of P-38.Pilots
Regardless of this bloke's strange preferences, Jugs destroyed more German aircraft than any other US type, even though 38s were in use before them in the war.
Heinz Bar, a German ace with 221 victories said "we have NO FEAR of them... (P-38s)" No fear of Ack-Ack's vastly superior plane...221 actual victories pffft. What could his opinion mean.
You are very good entertainment Ack-Ack! Please moderate some more!
Would you like to join me and we can do our own combat trials? You can use any of the Jugs and I'll use any of the P-38s and we'll see who comes out on top. I'm willing to bet, the only time you'll survive is do what I previously mentioned were the only two real maneuvers the P-47 excelled at...diving and running. :devil
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I was really impressed with the D11 on the deck with seafires and F4U's! Really freaks people out when I am staying with them! :devil
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Would you like to join me and we can do our own combat trials? You can use any of the Jugs and I'll use any of the P-38s and we'll see who comes out on top. I'm willing to bet, the only time you'll survive is do what I previously mentioned were the only two real maneuvers the P-47 excelled at...diving and running. :devil
ack-ack
It would be my pleasure to kill you again in a P-47 Ack-Ack, and I am sure the feeling is mutual. I am out to sea this week but will be in MW after next Wed, looking for you for a duel in whatever arena you like :salute.
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It would be my pleasure to kill you again in a P-47 Ack-Ack, and I am sure the feeling is mutual. I am out to sea this week but will be in MW after next Wed, looking for you for a duel in whatever arena you like :salute.
I don't fly in the MW anymore, lack of decent fights and watching the Satan guys milk run hord undefended bases while avoiding a fight makes for a boring time. We can schedule our "combat trials" when you get back in for the DA if you like, 1v1 affairs without worry of anyone "crashing the party" so to speak.
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47's are kinda' like a one eyed fatman with his pantalums down and holding a tin cup :neener:
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looks like we have some p38 haters in here....i wonder how that happened :P. i bet it was someone from the 82nd or 80th. i love the p47 and the p38. :cheers: id like to see that schedule(get it on film). <S> :bolt:
RedTail
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Kills come far less easily in jug than any other mid/late war ride. (Most folks who fly the 'M' use it like a ho'ing Lgay with 50's, so I discount it from the comparison)...there's only a few things they do better than other planes--rolling at high speed (for instance, while 'diving away') and the quick snap-roll it can get with its huge rudder and high speed flaps. I could win heap many more fights in some other plane....but the wins wouldn't mean much
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I don't fly in the MW anymore, lack of decent fights and watching the Satan guys milk run hord undefended bases while avoiding a fight makes for a boring time. We can schedule our "combat trials" when you get back in for the DA if you like, 1v1 affairs without worry of anyone "crashing the party" so to speak.
ack-ack
It is now the Blacksheep milking hoard, or the whatever TJ is milking when no one is on show. You won't find more than 2-3 Playmates at a time in there these days. Which means lots of milkers coming to my bases to be dispatched. They don't have the organization to roll bases like we used too. Usually the map just gets reset by Skuzzy for some reason or another.
DA is good for me, I won't have to wait so long for you to re-up.
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Kills come far less easily in jug than any other mid/late war ride. (Most folks who fly the 'M' use it like a ho'ing Lgay with 50's, so I discount it from the comparison)...there's only a few things they do better than other planes--rolling at high speed (for instance, while 'diving away') and the quick snap-roll it can get with its huge rudder and high speed flaps. I could win heap many more fights in some other plane....but the wins wouldn't mean much
whats an Lgay??
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P51s are better...
Derka derka the Lgay is the La-7
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P51s are better...
Derka derka the Lgay is the La-7
gotchya
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whats an Lgay??
hmmm...obviously new guy.......
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gotchya
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hmmm...obviously new guy.......
redtail isnt that new... he just didnt know
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I like the 38 and the jug,, but I prefer the jug and the style of fight it provides! in my opinion ackack is right,, him against me or some other jug pilot, in a dogfight,, he wins most of the time, but that is if you fight a low or co alt, dogfight with it,,, it is not setup for that,, it is a slice and dice airplane,,, if it has alt, on the 38 and a good pilot, it wins more than it loses!
the fact that the pilot that did the testing likes the 38 really ,, to me is not relevant,, his style of fighting may have been more fitting to the 38! that is all, many 47 drivers loved it, and did not want to fly anything else,,
many 38 pilots wanted to only drive it!
Richard Bong was a 38 driver,, and a darn good one, Robert Johnson drove the jug, and he was darn good at it,, there is no way to put the two up against each other and find out how that would have ended up, but if you really wanted to know which plane was better,,, that would be the real test!
if i find a 38 above me, I like to get the fight as fast as I can, diving for speed and hopeful for an auger due to compression,,, If that does not happen i like to get behind the 38 going back up,,, it will zoom a lot farther up than most think, and as big of a target as the 38 is,,, it isn't hard to tear some big parts off of it!
the one thing I don't like about the jug,, in the game,, is the fact that it should take much more damage than it does,, the story of the German pilot firing all of his ammo into a jug that would not die, and having to turn back home while the jug just flew away, will not be happening in AH anytime soon!
like they said,, it is a flying destroyer,, it should take more damage than it does!
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looks like we have some p38 haters in here....i wonder how that happened :P. i bet it was someone from the 82nd or 80th. i love the p47 and the p38. :cheers: id like to see that schedule(get it on film). <S> :bolt:
RedTail
That's funny RedTail, going to have to fight P-38's instead of 109s,190s,and zeeks. The point of this thread was to get Jugheads together~ then all these 38 guys just had to chime in about what crappy rides they were. Oh well~ we are looking for happy jug pilots if you are interested in meets. :salute
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I like the 38 and the jug,, but I prefer the jug and the style of fight it provides! in my opinion ackack is right,, him against me or some other jug pilot, in a dogfight,, he wins most of the time, but that is if you fight a low or co alt, dogfight with it,,, it is not setup for that,, it is a slice and dice airplane,,, if it has alt, on the 38 and a good pilot, it wins more than it loses!
the fact that the pilot that did the testing likes the 38 really ,, to me is not relevant,, his style of fighting may have been more fitting to the 38! that is all, many 47 drivers loved it, and did not want to fly anything else,,
many 38 pilots wanted to only drive it!
Richard Bong was a 38 driver,, and a darn good one, Robert Johnson drove the jug, and he was darn good at it,, there is no way to put the two up against each other and find out how that would have ended up, but if you really wanted to know which plane was better,,, that would be the real test!
if i find a 38 above me, I like to get the fight as fast as I can, diving for speed and hopeful for an auger due to compression,,, If that does not happen i like to get behind the 38 going back up,,, it will zoom a lot farther up than most think, and as big of a target as the 38 is,,, it isn't hard to tear some big parts off of it!
the one thing I don't like about the jug,, in the game,, is the fact that it should take much more damage than it does,, the story of the German pilot firing all of his ammo into a jug that would not die, and having to turn back home while the jug just flew away, will not be happening in AH anytime soon!
like they said,, it is a flying destroyer,, it should take more damage than it does!
Spot on WWhiskey :aok
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thanks 321BAR for i am not new, just didnt know, thanks and salute RedTail
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thanks 321BAR for i am not new, just didnt know, thanks and salute RedTail
anytime bud
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redtail isnt that new... he just didnt know
We have to start some sort of AH immersion course, so people will know important stuff like this!
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AND THANK GOODNESS YOU WERE!!!!!!!! :neener:
:cheers:
I like the D11. Only been flying it a few months tho.
:salute
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OK, ENOUGHT WITH THE TROLLING. EVERYBODY MADE THEIR POINT ABOUT THE P-47 AND P-38 (Not sure how the P-38 even got started on here) NOW WALK AWAY AND LEAVE IT BE!
If i counted correctly, we have 9 people. I will wait another 24 hours before i contact those who are interest.
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I'm in a Jug every time I log on. Just give me a shout or PM when you see me and I'll be happy to wing with another juggernut(s). Just be prepared to be low and dirty if you're winging with me. I'll start in slash mode and quickly regress into thinking I'm flying a spit. You'd be shocked at how well the Jug does in turn fights when you push it hard. I've surprised more than a few MA pilots who thought my jug was easy bait.
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I'm in a Jug every time I log on. Just give me a shout or PM when you see me and I'll be happy to wing with another juggernut(s). Just be prepared to be low and dirty if you're winging with me. I'll start in slash mode and quickly regress into thinking I'm flying a spit. You'd be shocked at how well the Jug does in turn fights when you push it hard. I've surprised more than a few MA pilots who thought my jug was easy bait.
Yes, lilMak! I was waiting for you to show up on this thread. And i see you fly that Jug, vary impressive. Thx.
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OK, we have the following that want to join: oaktree, Seadog36, SWkiljoy, kcfarris, SEseph, 68ZooM, beau32, WWhiskey, LeDragon, and LilMak.
kvuo75, was not sure if you want in?
Ack-Ack, you seemed 50/50 on what to do.
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OK, we have the following that want to join: oaktree, Seadog36, SWkiljoy, kcfarris, SEseph, 68ZooM, beau32, WWhiskey, LeDragon, and LilMak.
kvuo75, was not sure if you want in?
Ack-Ack, you seemed 50/50 on what to do.
50/50 on what to do for what? No offense, but if the guy that evaluated the P-47 for the RAF admitted that he'd rather fly the P-38, why would I join what amounts to AH's version of the Audio/Video/Chess/Glee Club all rolled into one?
ack-ack
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Jugs rock
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OK, we have the following that want to join: oaktree, Seadog36, SWkiljoy, kcfarris, SEseph, 68ZooM, beau32, WWhiskey, LeDragon, and LilMak.
kvuo75, was not sure if you want in?
Ack-Ack, you seemed 50/50 on what to do.
i'll fly with other jugs if they're knights, but cant really switch countries due to squad issues.
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50/50 on what to do for what? No offense, but if the guy that evaluated the P-47 for the RAF admitted that he'd rather fly the P-38, why would I join what amounts to AH's version of the Audio/Video/Chess/Glee Club all rolled into one?
ack-ack
LOL, it was a joke, Ack-Ack. I know you would not be caught dead in the P-47. :D
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Go away then ack-ack, you are like a hungry puppy hanging around. Go play with your sappy friends, I'll kill your 38 again later. Go on now...shooo...don't worry, you are very cute with your "lightning in a bottle" but you are getting to be a nuisance...git
Oakranger, what do you think about organizing though the JUGS group, it seems like several of us are on it already and a few more original members seem to be piping up. It is a little more anonymous than the forum, which is an obvious invitation for thread jacking.
AH_JUGS@yahoogroups.com
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Go away then ack-ack, you are like a hungry puppy hanging around. Go play with your sappy friends, I'll kill your 38 again later. Go on now...shooo...don't worry, you are very cute with your "lightning in a bottle" but you are getting to be a nuisance...git
Oakranger, what do you think about organizing though the JUGS group, it seems like several of us are on it already and a few more original members seem to be piping up. It is a little more anonymous than the forum, which is an obvious invitation for thread jacking.
AH_JUGS@yahoogroups.com
Is that suppose to be a website?
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Jugs rock
4DECK, Dose that mean you interest?
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Is that suppose to be a website?
Whoops, try this: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/AH_JUGS/
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ill try and meet up with you guys just give me a time and place and ill see if i can make it, im a p38 guy but flew the jug before it .great plane if your good at it, def not for a new guy ill say gotta use flaps if you wanna dogfight
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:salute
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Whoops, try this: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/AH_JUGS/
That is great. Got signed up and PM all you wants to join to do the same. Thx Seadog! :salute
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That is great. Got signed up and PM all you wants to join to do the same. Thx Seadog! :salute
already a member but thanks for the PM ! working on a logo!
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Im signed up as well. Cant wait to see what those logos look like Whiskey.
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(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg229/WWhiskey/gabby.jpg)
something I found that will work for now,, or you can vote for it if you like!
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(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg229/WWhiskey/gabby.jpg)
This doesn't suck :)
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Yes, WWhisky would be great to have. It dose not matter what P-47 they fly, if they love flying it, they are in.
SAPP group are fun to fight. Always enjoy their tactics and trying to find away to counter attack it. Maybe every once in a while us and SAPP get together and hunt down enemy cons. :aok
my crewchief painted bullseyes on my 38 o doom
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I must just be killing only very bad P-38 pilots in my noob jug...
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n83/Urbanflotsom1/AKAK.jpg)
I seem to recall most P-38 jocks in MW employing the de-ack the field and vulch tactic. Then scurrying home to land their cheap scalps if someone came in above them or once the numbers were not in their favor.
AKAK, This is a thread for people who want to fly a very important cool bird together, maybe you should be patting other 38 guys on the back in different threads instead of strutting around with a misguided superiority complex. Both aircraft did very well in the PTO and the 47 outdid the 38 in the ETO and MTO by a long shot. A Jug can be a very formidable machine, I've got a lot to learn but it makes me happy trying.
Come fly with us sometime.
and i seem to remember a certain jug pile-it that dove on a certain low pee38j, made one turn, blew his alt and e advantages, and proceeded to dive away towards one of his bases and some friendlies......and when called on it, i think he said something like his stick was acting up........which sounded pretty hillarious, considering his loop, and one turn were perfect, and he was able to jink as he accelerated away.........
oh yea.......you say the jug outdid the 38..but which one produced the top american aces again? :devil
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My god you people take Ak Ak way too seriously...he is simply employing his brand of troll/comedy. It's all said in fun.
shush you/!!! :noid :uhoh
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In this game P38 and P47 two planes with entirely different attributes.
During WWII the Jug early war was used as an escort. Later also.
In the PAC the 47N was the long range escort.
Contrary to popular belief very few fights took place at 100 feet swirling and twirling.
In Europe most were high alt escort runs. The Jug performs better at high alt then the P38.
Choice of combat would go to the P47 at 23K or higher. The P38 just doesn't have enough HP.
The P47 was just flat out faster then the 38 at mid20K or above. So in real combat, where
the smart pilot would use what his aircraft does best against any other aircraft, this case the 38.
The 38 would only be a threat short term if higher....the P47 would just walk away. Or extend
and take pot shots at the 38 at will. P38 could not do anything about it.
As Heinz Barr said when asked about the 38, we had no fear of them we were more concerned with the
51s and 47s which had greater speed. We were especially envious of the P47s ruggedness. They were much
more difficult to bring down.
Robert Johnson would testify to that...so would Pipz Priller.
they were envious of the 47's ruggednes, because they could get themin their sights. :devil
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ill try and meet up with you guys just give me a time and place and ill see if i can make it, im a p38 guy but flew the jug before it .great plane if your good at it, def not for a new guy ill say gotta use flaps if you wanna dogfight
Last thing we need is RedTail in here...better yet keep him so we can bait him whilst we pick off the other guys goin after him :D
Hope to see some action soon, :salute SWkiljoy
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Monster PM sent and posted on the Yahell site. See ya in the skies this weekend. :airplane:
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Last thing we need is RedTail in here...better yet keep him so we can bait him whilst we pick off the other guys goin after him :D
Hope to see some action soon, :salute SWkiljoy
haha your so funny, check 6 :lol
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haha your so funny, check 6 :lol
Could't let the opportunity pass by :rofl
:salute Sir. :D ohh and by the way, check your 6 from time to time, never know when i may stop by.. :neener:
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Could't let the opportunity pass by :rofl
:salute Sir. :D ohh and by the way, check your 6 from time to time, never know when i may stop by.. :neener:
Did i miss a good fight?
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LOL, it was a joke, Ack-Ack. I know you would not be caught dead in the P-47. :D
Considering how the jug flies like a brick, his chances of being caught dead in one are greater than being caught alive in one!
#S#
Banshee7
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Considering how the jug flies like a brick, his chances of being caught dead in one are greater than being caught alive in one!
#S#
Banshee7
don't you mean a brick with wings? :D :bolt:
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don't you mean a brick with wings? :D :bolt:
It has wings? I just thought God felt bad for it and let it fly
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It has wings? I just thought God felt bad for it and let it fly
WELL.....
it could be doing the helicopter thing........being so ugly the earth repels it? :noid :bolt:
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don't you mean a brick with wings? :D :bolt:
It is a flying brick with wings that require the greatest skill to take into battle with out fear. :t
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It is a flying brick with wings that require the greatest skill to take into battle with out fear. :t
i don't go into battle with any fear regardless of my choice of aircraft. i know i'm only 1 click from a brand spankin new shiny one. :devil
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not a good fight oakranger just that i had like 3 friendlies around me and there is 2 f4u (kiljoy and someone else) and i couldnt get a single check 6 from any of them. So thats what its all about no 'good' fight ,just a lil fun. Salute kiljoy and next time ill have squadies lol, cya in the skies
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not a good fight oakranger just that i had like 3 friendlies around me and there is 2 f4u (kiljoy and someone else) and i couldnt get a single check 6 from any of them. So thats what its all about no 'good' fight ,just a lil fun. Salute kiljoy and next time ill have squadies lol, cya in the skies
Best ya keep them around Red.. :joystick: :headscratch: :furious Lol, Salute sir.