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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Bruv119 on November 04, 2010, 02:47:59 PM
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i'm surprised the a26 didn't make the cut ! :O
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There is hope then. Despite not being a Luftwhiner, the 410 has to be it.
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they added both the finalists last time seeing as B29 has to win I guess both of them will happen.
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410 is going much stronger than 3.5 years ago, when it was eliminated in round 2 and the A-26 made it to round 4.
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I have a feeling 29 is going to win. :cry
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...I just can't seem to shake the feeling that after the 'OMG NEW PLANE' phase, they're both going to wind up being hangar queens. No matter which wins, we all lose.
Wiley.
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hmmm no A26.. yall know where my votes going then
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I'm very sad that the A26 didn't make it, but now my vote is going to the 410
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It's no surprise that the A-26 didn't make the last two, everyone who would have voted for it (the americans), voted for the B-29 instead.
B-29 will landslide this vote.
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What? What are we going to do without another American light bomber?
Fingers crossed for the Me 410... but I'm rather certain that the B29 will win.
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(http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/681/vote410.jpg)
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I'm very sad that the A26 didn't make it, but now my vote is going to the 410
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at least the A-26 lobby will go 410
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I get the impression that the B-29 could have an impact on gameplay (length of runways, time taken to get to altitude, obscene bomb-load, the need to plan out flights in advance), which IMO might be quite interesting, and good for the game in general. OTOH, the Me-410 appears to be just another plane...
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(http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/681/vote410.jpg)
What Tec said :aok
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i'm surprised the a26 didn't make the cut ! :O
Yeh, a bit of surprise! I guess it has something to do of not being as famillar as the most of the US aircraft. But still, a surprise considering how much votes it got in the last vote.
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OOOooo this race just got good. I really excepted it to be B29 vs A26, both of which I want to win. But now with the great and wonderful B29 vs the piece of crap Me410 this made the race interesting.
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It's no suprise that the A-26 didn't make the last two, everyone who would have voted for it, voted for the B-29 instead.
Agreed, this probably has a lot to do with it.
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Do they ever show the voting numbers after all is completed?...would be interesting to see just how close or off the particular planes were within the process.
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410 all the way baby
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It's no suprise that the A-26 didn't make the last two, everyone who would have voted for it, voted for the B-29 instead.
B-29 will landslide this vote.
Or it could be that those that wanted the A-26 thought it would be some great dogfighter like it was in AW and once they realized it wasn't, went for the next uber ride on the list.
ack-ack
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Dangit! Sorry, A-26... maybe next time. :cry
(http://imgur.com/G6bds.jpg)
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(http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/681/vote410.jpg)
fix that sentence!
it should be
'all your bases are belong to us :P'
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Would be excited about either plane making it, but I voted for the 410.
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X3!!
(http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/681/vote410.jpg)
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Or it could be that those that wanted the A-26 thought it would be some great dogfighter like it was in AW and once they realized it wasn't, went for the next uber ride on the list.
I don't think most of them have realized that yet. My sense is that virtually the entire A-26 mafia wants to use it as a fighter.
- oldman
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they added both the finalists last time seeing as B29 has to win I guess both of them will happen.
Think that was because the vote was .000001% of a margin between the B25 and P39.
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In the end Me410 would most probably see more use overall in the LWMA. As it has been discussed, B-29 takes ages to climb to safe altitudes. It must be heavily perked regardless, which makes it rather compulsary to climb to high altitudes in order to fly the perks home and that takes more time than most are willing to spend just climbing. At low altitudes it will be significantly slower and due to it's status and hefty perk cost, it will be like flypaper to fighters.
Once it's up there at 25-30k, it will be very hard to intercept/shoot down but very few will have the patience to take it up there regurlarly. On top of the low use, it will take a lot more time to model art-wise than a Me410, which will also be used more. So in this light, Me410 will offer more bang for the buck.
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Think that was because the vote was .000001% of a margin between the B25 and P39.
and both have remained in the hanger ever since...
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Bet the B29 is HiTech's answer to "Waaaaaa the strat and towns are tooooooooooo biggggggggggggggg waaaaaaaaaaaaaa!".....
If it doesen't make it this round then, we know whining is what replaced adapting and overcoming in the under 50 generations in the United States.
20,000 pounds of general purpose high explosive should be able to close down a few things in a single pass. Be sad if no one saw this olive branch for what it is from HiTech.
BFG9000 - Doom = B29(20k lb bombs) - AH2
Whining for the Tall Boy(12,000 lb) and Grand Slam(22,000 lb) in the Lancaster might have been simpler to deal with the strat and town. Wonder what the HTC staff calls the perennial bellyaching in house from the forum over I want this, gimmie gimmie that.....
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and both have remained in the hanger ever since.
I like the b25 though!! :)
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There is hope then. Despite not being a Luftwhiner, the 410 has to be it.
+1
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and both have remained in the hanger ever since.
609 B-25s of all types were shot down this tour alone (Tour 30) and it's only 4 days into it. So at least 609 left the hanger, they just didn't come back. Kind of debunks the "Hanger Queen" myth.
ack-ack
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(http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/681/vote410.jpg)
LOL, Tec! That is great!
I am a bit surprise that the Me410 made it this far. I am afraid that i underestimate most people in the game knowing what the 410 is.
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LOL, Tec! That is great!
I am a bit surprise that the Me410 made it this far. I am afraid that i underestimate most people in the game knowing what the 410 is.
I bet most the brain dead think since it has a higher number than the 262 it must be better.
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Bet the B29 is HiTech's answer to "Waaaaaa the strat and towns are tooooooooooo biggggggggggggggg waaaaaaaaaaaaaa!".....
If it doesen't make it this round then, we know whining is what replaced adapting and overcoming in the under 50 generations in the United States.
20,000 pounds of general purpose high explosive should be able to close down a few things in a single pass. Be sad if no one saw this olive branch for what it is from HiTech.
BFG9000 - Doom = B29(20k lb bombs) - AH2
Whining for the Tall Boy(12,000 lb) and Grand Slam(22,000 lb) in the Lancaster might have been simpler to deal with the strat and town. Wonder what the HTC staff calls the perennial bellyaching in house from the forum over I want this, gimmie gimmie that.....
The current strat system isn't working as intended, even HiTech said so. The B-29 was the most advanced weapons system ever made during WW2 and willl increase Aces High's coolness factor by a huge amount. It will see a lot of use in the most popular arena and will give bomber pilots a real bird to spend all their hard earned bomber perks on.
If HTC wanted to do something sloppy, they could have just given us the option to overload the B-17.
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I am afraid that i underestimate most people in the game knowing what the 410 is.
Well, what goes on on the boards isn't always a direct correlation to what goes on with the larger in game public. I'm betting the 29 wins the vote by a landslide.
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I bet most the brain dead think since it has a higher number than the 262 it must be better.
:rofl
I never thought of that, but you're probably right.
Oh well, it works for me :D
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Well the grounds crew is busy finishing up my new rides paint job
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s35/68zoom/b29-reserved-800-crop-border.jpg)
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excellent. B29 it is then :)
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609 B-25s of all types were shot down this tour alone (Tour 30) and it's only 4 days into it. So at least 609 left the hanger, they just didn't come back. Kind of debunks the "Hanger Queen" myth.
ack-ack
Don't debunk my sarcastic coments with stats!!!
On a serious note, I didn't know the B-25 was being used so much.
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Well, what goes on on the boards isn't always a direct correlation to what goes on with the larger in game public. I'm betting the 29 wins the vote by a landslide.
I thinking of the same thing.
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X3!!
(http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/681/vote410.jpg)
This!
When is the winner being announced, again?
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Don't debunk my sarcastic coments with stats!!!
On a serious note, I didn't know the B-25 was being used so much.
Yeah I've been busy. :D
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Don't debunk my sarcastic coments with stats!!!
On a serious note, I didn't know the B-25 was being used so much.
B-25 is used alot attacking v bases, and defending against CV's. P-39 I would agree hanger queen. Never knew the voting was that close to begin with. We just got another mossie variant so in no way, was I voting for the beau this go around. I've voted me410 all the way and heck maybe they'll throw in the ju-52 and complete the german planeset for awhile. :pray
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since no 26 then i,m going for 29
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410 please :pray :aok
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Wow. I am surprised. I guess I won't be voting for the B-29 after all.
Me410 it is.
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Wow. I am surprised. I guess I won't be voting for the B-29 after all.
Me410 it is.
Woohoo, we got Karnak on board!
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Woohoo, we got Karnak on board!
I've voted for the Me410 every round thus far.
I was fully expecting to be voting for the B-29A over the A-26 this round though.
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it's been 410 all the way for me every vote the game has offered since I can remember. But if the 29 wins I would still love it.
Win-Win.
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B-25 is used alot attacking v bases, and defending against CV's. P-39 I would agree hanger queen. Never knew the voting was that close to begin with. We just got another mossie variant so in no way, was I voting for the beau this go around. I've voted me410 all the way and heck maybe they'll throw in the ju-52 and complete the german planeset for awhile. :pray
You should try taking a 39 out. They can be great fun. I disagree that it's a hanger queen anymore then the 25 is.
The Beau and the Mosssie are not the same bird btw. With that logic there is no point in the 410 cause we have the 110. For shame! :)
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No A26 :furious, guess I'm voting 410 then :aok
:salute
BigRat
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410 :aok
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I went with B29. Ya its another US bomber, buts its the B29! Id love to see a scenario on the Japan map with these!
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Hot girls fly the Me410.
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murphy's law: If anything can go wrong, it will.
andrew's Law: When saying that things can not possibly get any worse - they will
we will get the b29.
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You should try taking a 39 out. They can be great fun. I disagree that it's a hanger queen anymore then the 25 is.
Depends on the definition of hangarqueen. Sure, A p-39 can be great fun for some individuals (like for me it were planes like the Hurricane I or I-16), "hangar queen" usually denotes planes that are -in total- rarely used in an arena.
The B-25H is by no means a HQ on LW. The 25C and the P-39Q are getting quite close to it, the 39D is quite nonexistant in LW (Which itself is for someplayers even more of a reason to fly it. Killing Spit's & N1k's in a HQ can be very satisfying, particularly when getting the "No way a XXX can catch/outturn a YYY" whines :lol)'s
Data: Plane Usage 2009 (see sig line)
B-25H 1.31% Usage Rank 27
B-25C 0.34% Usage Rank 58
P-39Q 0.32% Usage Rank 59
P-39D 0.17% Usage Rank 68
P-39 is quite some interesting case. It got 50% of the votes, but actually about no one is flying them. And I'm convinced those voting for it were not all just players thinking of the SEA needs. It was simply some kind of name recognition, they found it a cool plane without knowing much more about it (and about nothing about the other planes on the list). Then they tried it, it sucked (for them!) and that was it.
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410s will be used for two things: targets and HOs
Go with the B29 people. Its NOW or never :old:
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Depends on the definition of hangarqueen. Sure, A p-39 can be great fun for some individuals (like for me it were planes like the Hurricane I or I-16), "hangar queen" usually denotes planes that are -in total- rarely used in an arena.
The B-25H is by no means a HQ on LW. The 25C and the P-39Q are getting quite close to it, the 39D is quite nonexistant in LW (Which itself is for someplayers even more of a reason to fly it. Killing Spit's & N1k's in a HQ can be very satisfying, particularly when getting the "No way a XXX can catch/outturn a YYY" whines :lol)'s
Data: Plane Usage 2009 (see sig line)
B-25H 1.31% Usage Rank 27
B-25C 0.34% Usage Rank 58
P-39Q 0.32% Usage Rank 59
P-39D 0.17% Usage Rank 68
P-39 is quite some interesting case. It got 50% of the votes, but actually about no one is flying them. And I'm convinced those voting for it were not all just players thinking of the SEA needs. It was simply some kind of name recognition, they found it a cool plane without knowing much more about it (and about nothing about the other planes on the list). Then they tried it, it sucked (for them!) and that was it.
I can't understand why people voted for the P39, however, I can tell you when the B25 was up for vote I was hoping to get the B25J. The B25J would be a decent buff in the MA would be survivable with it's defensive armament. Instead we got the B25C which is a good bomber but not good for the MA environment.
Don't get me wrong though, I fly the B25C a lot even though I almost never make it back to base.
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and both have remained in the hanger ever since..
Only in the late war arenas.
- oldman
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She may be a hangar queen, but she's our hangar queen.
(http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/hh473/cactuskooler/fingerfour.jpg)
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The Beau and the Mosssie are not the same bird btw. With that logic there is no point in the 410 cause we have the 110. For shame! :)
My logic was and is that we just received a (British Bird). So now it's someone else's turn to get a plane.
:rofl That's cute never seen that many p39's before. Think I was involved in a I16 mission months ago.
With that logic there is no point in the 410 cause we have the 110. For shame! :)
Good, looks like I get another fighter then. :) I never said the beau, and the mossie were the same plane btw for shame! ;)
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I can't understand why people voted for the P39
39D is a great ride in EW and the 39Q is as well in MW. I wouldnt bother with the 39 in LW though. The 410 is a LW bird? It will be a great HO platform but I suspect it will be meat on the table for anyone who has any skill in the game.
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39D is a great ride in EW and the 39Q is as well in MW.
I could understand all those players planning to use it in EW, LW, thinking of SEA possibilities. (I personally thought it's a fine addition to the planeset)
But the fact is, the majority of player that voted for the 39 are LWMA players (remember, more than 90% of the action is happening there. EW in particular is dead.). And then they basically ignored it ;)
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I'll go with the Me-410.
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She may be a hangar queen, but she's our hangar queen.
(http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/hh473/cactuskooler/fingerfour.jpg)
What an ugly skin. :)
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If the news are correct, the poll will decide between the B-29 and the Me-410...
I am satisfied with this. The player base will vote on a given favorite. HTC will accept it, implement it and, in due time, will introduce the He-111 just like introduced the Betty and the Mosquito XVI...
I think that it is a quite nice situation. Players vote emotionally, HTC decides rationally...
It's a win-win situation, nothing could be better.
Cheers,
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A-26, may you RIP. :cry
GO 410 GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Don't listen to those saying "Add the 29" and such.
410 ALL THE WAY!!!!
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its gona be nice to finaly take the B-29 off the list, 10+ years of wishes this is a historical moment in AH
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B-29
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I voted b29 cause kazaa made it seem like my patriotic duty.
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410
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its gona be nice to finaly take the B-29 off the list, 10+ years of wishes this is a historical moment in AH
Yea like when Rome fell......................... :D
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My only problem with the B-29 is the day after it is introduced the people whining for the B-29 will be whining for Nukes. :uhoh
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NOOOKZZZZ
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410
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A-26, may you RIP. :cry
GO 410 GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A26 lol I was goin for the he111 but as you see it went down in flames like your a26 so....
GO 410 GO!!!!!!!
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What an ugly skin. :)
And we put it to good use too!
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410
410
410
please and thank you
RTR
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Yea like when Rome fell......................... :D
Rome never fell, it only changed address ;)
Also, the B-29 and 410 both fail due to their incompatibility with 75mm cannon.
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AWWWWW HELLL!!!!!!
HERE IS THE SOLUTION DAMN IT!!!!!!
439!!!!!
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AWWWWW HELLL!!!!!!
HERE IS THE SOLUTION DAMN IT!!!!!!
439!!!!!
Dutch export version of the Brewster?
(http://www.aerofiles.com/brew-b439.jpg)
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If you want the nuke.. go play il-2 with silverplate mod.
AH will NEVER get the Atom Bomb.
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atomic bombs are for noobs!
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A-26, may you RIP. :cry
GO 410 GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
^^^^^^
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Had to go with the 410 in this one. I won't have to climb as far to shoot them. :D
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How about both?
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How about both?
I'm sure we'd have all that were in the initial list if they could be added with snap of the fingers. ;)
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The B-29 played the LARGEST part of WWII in america, THE END of the war. What kind of WWII is this if it doesn't have a B-29 in it?
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The B-29 didn't end WWII; people ended WWII.
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Lots of bombs, BIIIIIIG Aeroplane, awesome toys ON said aeroplane and insane defensive armament.
Give the 163 jocks a challenge and me a sweet as ride.
GO B-29!!
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Voted 410 this round.
I think we need a Florida recount on the Beau from the first round.
HT musta been hanging chad on that count. :D
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Voted 410 this round.
I think we need a Florida recount on the Beau from the first round.
HT musta been hanging chad on that count. :D
I like that theory. Put the Beau back in the running :)
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I would bet and I really hope that each and every plane in the first poll will eventually make it into the game and hopefully in the next year. Bomber pilots have already learned to worry about the 110s they see and the 410 would be even more worrisome but since some of the same people that want the 410 also whine about base grabs should be aware that they are asking for a plane that will be used for NOE attacks and base grabs in general. The 410 will not be a great fighter I dont believe.
I voted for the B29 because I support thndreggs missions and I look forward to killing enemy B29s in great numbers! :aok
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The B-29 didn't end WWII; people ended WWII.
the spitfire won world ww2 sport, before the b29 was even invented. never forget that
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I voted for the B29 because it can fly co-alt with me :aok
fixed
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Thats funny Chewie. I bet on average you go much higher than I do. I also bet it doesnt help. :aok
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the spitfire won world ww2 sport, before the b29 was even invented. never forget that
hyperbole?
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:lol
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B-29
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Thats funny Chewie. I bet on average you go much higher than I do. I also bet it doesnt help. :aok
:rofl
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I'd love to see the B-29 wish threads disappear, but my vote will still go to the 410. Neither were my first choice. I suppose people don't care for filling in plane-set gaps :(
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Is it too late to jump on the B-29 bandwagon? I think its time has come! :rock :airplane:
(http://imgur.com/Yu6UO.jpg)
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Me-410A2 U4 package!!! 50mm Kwk39 as the BK-5!!! yessssssssss
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Gotta go B-29!
Should make fr some awesome BUF raids on HQ
and the mega-cities.
SUPERFORTRESS! :banana:
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The 410 will not be a great fighter I dont believe.
The Me 410 wasn't a great fighter to begin with, so it's not going to be very surprising except to a very few that the Me 410 isn't going to be a great fighter in game.
ack-ack
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The Me 410 wasn't a great fighter to begin with, so it's not going to be very surprising except to a very few that the Me 410 isn't going to be a great fighter in game.
ack-ack
thats why i want the 50mm pack on it. itd give the 410 something to do and kill bombers like it was meant to
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Bring 'em both in! Would love to intercept B-29's in the 410 with that big ole' 50mm!!! :rock :O :x
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the spitfire won world ww2 sport, before the b29 was even invented. never forget that
Spitfire wouldnt have flown with out People...Tiger. Never forget that.
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I've been saying it for three freakin years........................ ...........
The B29 was built a long time ago and they have chosen not to allow us to see it. And in typical, sly, HTC fashion, I believe we will not even have an update at it's introduction. We'll get the B29 "unlocked" one night and then the 410 whines start up........ 48 hours later we will download the new patch with the me410.
It's like that, and that's the way it is.
This man speaks the truth!
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Me410 was a buff killer and it excelled at its job. They were just too little too late, and it got out classed by the escorts. It's faster and has a higher ceiling than a 110, but it cannot turn as well.
Buff's v. 410's without escorts = high buff losses
Buff's and escorts v. 410's = high 410 losses
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thats why i want the 50mm pack on it. itd give the 410 something to do and kill bombers like it was meant to
You're probably going to have just as much success killing bombers with the 50mm cannon as the Me 410 pilots had in real life.
ack-ack
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Me410 was a buff killer and it excelled at its job.
It was used in the "bomber destroyer" role, not a dedicated buff killer nor did it excel in that role. The only time the Me 410 enjoyed any success against the day light bomber raids is if it attacked unescorted groups. If attacking escorted bomber formations, the Me 410's successes were always offset by their losses. The Me 410 was also removed from the bomber interceptor role when in mid-1944 they were removed from "Defense of the Reich" duties and production was phased out soon afterwards. By the end of the war, Me 410 was pretty much used only as a night fighter.
The Me 410 also had to be escorted by fighters when attacking escorted bomber formations, just like it's predecessor the Bf 110.
ack-ack
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If you want the nuke.. go play il-2 with silverplate mod.
AH will NEVER get the Atom Bomb.
AH also said we'd never get the b-29. I am going to get buses full of park benches to register and vote (early and often) for the 410. I hope that the B29 get nixed. Too much ord and too hard to intercept at alt.
The B29 was a war changer IRL, and it would have an overly profound impact on AH. The only good thing I can hope for is that it is perked SO HIGH that people will not use these ridiculous machines like they do the Lanca-stuckas. Then again, everyone has been storing bomber perks for so long, they can afford to waste them for the first 5 or 6 tours. :rolleyes:
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I'm all for the B-29 if they find a way to model in random engine fires.
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I voted for the B29 for giggles, but I think the 410 has more potenial in the MA.
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Voted 410.
(http://www.aviation-arthouse.com/watermark3.php?i=34)
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By the end of the war, Me 410 was pretty much used only as a night fighter.
I'm not sure it was even used in that role at war's end. The only night-fighting 410s I've heard of were the intruders of KG 51, who were also sometimes used in a Wilde Sau role in mid-'44.
From about August '44 (I think), KG 51 transitioned to 190s, then to 262s.
I think the 410s stayed in recce and Air-Sea Rescue units for the duration, but apart from one (apparent) incident which I've not been able to clarify, I don't think they shot at much past autumn 1944.
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AH also said we'd never get the b-29.
They never did.
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Lusche, Do you ever sleep?
:)
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Lusche, Do you ever sleep?
:)
It's only about 10:30 PM here... ;)
But yes, currently I have a very erratic sleeping schedule
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QFT
They never did.
In fact........ And it may have been an acid flashback but I'd swear there was a mention of B29 in the same sentence as "perked planes" on the homepage. However without any conclusive proof, I am chalking it up to flashback.
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I'm not sure it was even used in that role at war's end. The only night-fighting 410s I've heard of were the intruders of KG 51, who were also sometimes used in a Wilde Sau role in mid-'44.
From about August '44 (I think), KG 51 transitioned to 190s, then to 262s.
I think the 410s stayed in recce and Air-Sea Rescue units for the duration, but apart from one (apparent) incident which I've not been able to clarify, I don't think they shot at much past autumn 1944.
Yes Scherf I think you pretty much nailed it,and there were very few even in the recce and rescue. All engine production had been transfered to single eng.airframes and spare were difficult if not impossible at this point.
:salute
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QFT
In fact........ And it may have been an acid flashback but I'd swear there was a mention of B29 in the same sentence as "perked planes" on the homepage. However without any conclusive proof, I am chalking it up to flashback.
(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1517/perks29.jpg)
And before someone is asking: This entry is older than dirt. See the phrase "would be things like Me 262..." ;)
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You're probably going to have just as much success killing bombers with the 50mm cannon as the Me 410 pilots had in real life.
ack-ack
With the gun jam problems and the increased weight, it was even more of a dog in that form :)
Better stick to the lighter armament with single engine birds about :aok
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(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1517/perks29.jpg)
And before someone is asking: This entry is older than dirt. See the phrase "would be things like Me 262..." ;)
tigerIIs also
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Thats it..now I know that Lusche is HT's shade.
:noid
Knows way too much.
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@A-26 fans: :cry
You don't hear those of us who voted for the He-111 complaining.
I really hope the Me-410 takes the cake. *bribes HiTech*
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RUBBER DUCKY
Fixed. :aok
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Thats it..now I know that Lusche is HT's shade.
I have heard that that before. :noid
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@A-26 fans: :cry
You don't hear those of us who voted for the He-111 complaining.
I really hope the Me-410 takes the cake. *bribes HiTech*
I was voting for the A26 and now am voting for the 410
GO BABY GO!!!
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Fixed. :aok
Ok. Funny you should bring this up. Back in Highschool we needed an original song to be eligible for the High School Battle of the Bands (1983). So the guitarist and myself sat down and figured something out quickly (since we werent acustomed to writing our own originals).
The song was called "Rubber Ducky" and these are the lyrics:
Rubber ducky in the sand
Rubber ducky in my hand
Now you say you wanna fly
Now I say its time to die!
Plastic fetus on my dish
Take a bite, Make a wish
Now you say you wanna fly
Now I say its time to die
(Guitar solo)
Rubber ducky, be my friend
Rubber ducky, nows the end
Now you say you wanna fly
Now I say its time to die!
Well...there it is :neener:
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:lol
I have heard that that before. :noid
:salute You're The Man!!! :salute
PROST
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410?
(http://www.hatchergun.com/Ammunition/Shotgun/Rem410EXP6.JPG)
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410 :aok
(http://www.moegglingen.de/servlet/PB/show/1263065_l1/b29.jpg)
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420-10 :rock
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410 :aok
(http://www.moegglingen.de/servlet/PB/show/1263065_l1/b29.jpg)
:aok :aok :aok
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410 :aok
(http://www.moegglingen.de/servlet/PB/show/1263065_l1/b29.jpg)
What's the story behind this picture?
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I'd assume that someone in the community of Moegglingen is protesting against a road/highway being pushed through the town. "B 29" sounds like the name of a German road route, not an autobahn, more of a "local artery".
Words above read "Freedom for Moegglingen", hence the Statue of Liberty.
Edit - According to Google Earth, the B29 passes directly through Moegglingen, using the old main street as part of the highway, no bypass.
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I'd assume that someone in the community of Moegglingen is protesting against a road/highway being pushed through the town. "B 29" sounds like the name of a German road route, not an autobahn, more of a "local artery".
Exactly (http://maps.google.de/maps?client=opera&rls=de&q=m%C3%B6gglingen&oe=utf-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=M%C3%B6gglingen&gl=de&ei=qrfVTL6eBNDoObCJhbgJ&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CBcQ8gEwAA) :aok
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410 :aok
but im mad that once again the Pe-2 didnt make it :furious
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Bah, didn't see Lusche's post while I was editing.
Anyway, if we get the A model of the 410, it should be available mid-war, which would make it a pretty speedy bird for the time. Not sure about available weapons loadouts for the A vs the B though.
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Anyway, if we get the A model of the 410, it should be available mid-war, which would make it a pretty speedy bird for the time. Not sure about available weapons loadouts for the A vs the B though.
The basic version would be the Schnellbomber A-1 with 2xMG 17 and 2x MG 151/20 and 2x250kg bombs. The second most used variant was the Zerstörer version A-1/U2 with two additional MG 151/20. Third option was A-1/U4 with the 50mm BK-5 (about 60 built/converted)
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The basic version would be the Schnellbomber A-1 with 2xMG 17 and 2x MG 151/20 and 2x250kg bombs. The second most used variant was the Zerstörer version A-1/U2 with two additional MG 151/20. Third option was A-1/U4 with the 50mm BK-5 (about 60 built/converted)
with only about 1200 made all the varients should just be added :) I would like the B-2/U4.
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where is this voting?
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online.
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link? im really lost with this voting? we voting on what we want? havent really been on for a couple of weeks...
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410 :aok
but im mad that once again the Pe-2 didnt make it :furious
+1
But I agree with the group as a whole. There are a lot of holes in the Axis planesets that should be filled. As I understand it and correct me if I'm wrong the flight characteristics of those planes is difficult that are missing (Axis) are difficult or impossible to obtain.
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link? im really lost with this voting? we voting on what we want? havent really been on for a couple of weeks...
no link. it's online. You have to log into the arena to vote.
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ahhh (when i saw online, i thought u meant like on the net...) havent been in the game either for a while... thanks
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this is the o club right. i havnt been here in a while. whatevever. the brits and commowealth won world war 2. cowardly americans held off untill they had too and decided whos side they were own. my ancestors piss all over you . thats all
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:huh
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this is the o club right. i havnt been here in a while. whatevever. the brits and commowealth won world war 2. cowardly americans held off untill they had too and decided whos side they were own. my ancestors piss all over you . thats all
lol shut mate
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this is the o club right. i havnt been here in a while. whatevever. the brits and commowealth won world war 2. cowardly americans held off untill they had too and decided whos side they were own. my ancestors piss all over you . thats all
Preach on Brother!
Beached as bro...
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the b52 as good for carpet bombing nva in csmbobodia. it sucked the oxygen right out out therir tunnels. i was a fan of it back then. but i have gone wrong since then. i think i have sucked up too much 245t. i just want an easy life for my forbearers
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this is the o club right. i havnt been here in a while. whatevever. the brits and commowealth won world war 2. cowardly americans held off untill they had too and decided whos side they were own. my ancestors piss all over you . thats all
I wonder what about the O club makes it ok for bad troll attempts :D
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Its a road
What's the story behind this picture?
its a Like High way Road that goes through a little Town Moeglingen the names Road is the B29 (Bundesstrasse 29) and the people want the road out of the Little town cause over 1400 40 tons trucks pass there every day.
Protesters put this at the street cause Berlin promise since 1990 to get the road out.
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this is the o club right. i havnt been here in a while. whatevever. the brits and commowealth won world war 2. cowardly americans held off untill they had too and decided whos side they were own. my ancestors piss all over you . thats all
:rofl Allies won the War, silly man. :rolleyes:
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He may not realize the English would be speaking German if not for the United States of America!
:rofl Allies won the War, silly man. :rolleyes:
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this is the o club right. i havnt been here in a while. whatevever. the brits and commowealth won world war 2. cowardly americans held off untill they had too and decided whos side they were own. my ancestors piss all over you . thats all
The Russians defeated Hitlers Germany. The rest of us just helped. The Americans, and to a slightly lessor extent the british commonwealth, defeated the Japanese militarily. But it is all good. Every single person who sacrificed waging war against The axis deserves the deepest of eternal thanks from everyone in western civilization.
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So where is this pole anyways? I haven't been able to find it...
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You don't play the game? Soon as you login to Online Gameplay you see it.
So where is this pole anyways? I haven't been able to find it...
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The Russians defeated Hitlers Germany. The rest of us just helped. The Americans, and to a slightly lessor extent the british commonwealth, defeated the Japanese militarily. But it is all good. Every single person who sacrificed waging war against The axis deserves the deepest of eternal thanks from everyone in western civilization.
Yeager, the Russians were allowed to take credit for beating Germany. it took all of the allies to defeat Germany, no one or even 2 of the nations could have done it without the others.
America supplied the Russians and the Brits, the Brits provided a base of operations from which the invasion of Europe and the bombing of German infrastructure could be launched, the Russians maintained pressure on the eastern front drawing the cream of the German warm machine away from the west where the invasion was to come. any one of these three elements missing from the mix would have guaranteed either a German victory over all of Europe or a negotiated peace leaving germany as the power house in that part of the world.
As far as Excel and his statements, they are so ridiculous they are not worthy of a response.
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Funny thing about it is this.................. If anything, if we let the Russians fight the Germans single handedly, there may never have been a Cold War.
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Yeager, the Russians were allowed to take credit for beating Germany.
The Soviet Union took one hell of a beating fighting the Germans.
65% of the allied military deaths were from the Soviet Union and they were fighting only one enemy.
China accounted for 23% and both the United States and the United Kingdom made up 2% of allied military deaths repectively.
Germany made up 65% of the axis military deaths and Japan 24%
These stats tell the story. Russia, after having survived the winter of 1942, was going to destroy Germany with or without our help. Had the Russians capitulated the US and the commonwealth would have been in a world of shet. It was this fear that motivated Oppenheimer to develope the bomb.
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The Soviet Union took one hell of a beating fighting the Germans.
65% of the allied military deaths were from the Soviet Union and they were fighting only one enemy.
China accounted for 23% and both the United States and the United Kingdom made up 2% of allied military deaths repectively.
Germany made up 65% of the axis military deaths and Japan 24%
These stats tell the story. Russia, after having survived the winter of 1942, was going to destroy Germany with or without our help. Had the Russians capitulated the US and the commonwealth would have been in a world of shet. It was this fear that motivated Oppenheimer to develope the bomb.
even without russia being in the war, Germany had overextended itself. it had already been turned back by Britain, supplies were being shipped to Britain and production was on the rise. Yes, Germany could have concentrated on assaulting britain and the lower countries and supporting italy in africa if not for barbarossa, but in the end, Germany had already started to push itself too far and would have lost. the problem is is that without russia in the war, Japan would not have had its turning point at Midway and would have held the pacific due to the concentration of war efforts in europe first
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The Soviet Union took one hell of a beating fighting the Germans.
65% of the allied military deaths were from the Soviet Union and they were fighting only one enemy.
That's entirely because of the Soviet policies. They sent unarmed people into the meat grinder and then shot them if they tried to fall back. Human life was a worthless thing in Soviet Russia and they exercised this on every front of the war, throwing thousands upon thousands of inferior tanks, planes, ships, into combat, throwing millions of ground forces away to literally buy a little time.
Their losses were entirely of their own doing and a symptom of the horrors that Stalin wrought upon his own people.
Really bad example to compare with other allied losses.
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the problem is is that without russia in the war, Japan would not have had its turning point at Midway and would have held the pacific due to the concentration of war efforts in europe first
What?
That's entirely because of the Soviet policies. They sent unarmed people into the meat grinder and then shot them if they tried to fall back. Human life was a worthless thing in Soviet Russia and they exercised this on every front of the war, throwing thousands upon thousands of inferior tanks, planes, ships, into combat, throwing millions of ground forces away to literally buy a little time.
Their losses were entirely of their own doing and a symptom of the horrors that Stalin wrought upon his own people.
Really bad example to compare with other allied losses.
It's one thing to say that the Soviets' losses were perhaps a bit disproportionate due to the Soviet (well, really goes through all of eastern Slavic history) war plan and general attitude toward the military, but to say that its completely irrelevant in gauging their contribution to the war effort is going a bit far.
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even without russia being in the war, Germany had overextended itself. it had already been turned back by Britain, supplies were being shipped to Britain and production was on the rise. Yes, Germany could have concentrated on assaulting britain and the lower countries and supporting italy in africa if not for barbarossa, but in the end, Germany had already started to push itself too far and would have lost. the problem is is that without russia in the war, Japan would not have had its turning point at Midway and would have held the pacific due to the concentration of war efforts in europe first
i slightly disagree,
brits stood no chance against germany's full attention. the brits in no place turned back germany's assualt. if you are impling in africa, it was the american rienforcments and the fact that hitler dedicated so much to barbarosa that africa corps could not and were not properly supported. supplies to britain (and russia) were given on the lend lease program, so without american support britain (and russia) would have failed to turn the tide.
The Soviet Union took one hell of a beating fighting the Germans.
65% of the allied military deaths were from the Soviet Union and they were fighting only one enemy.
China accounted for 23% and both the United States and the United Kingdom made up 2% of allied military deaths repectively.
Germany made up 65% of the axis military deaths and Japan 24%
These stats tell the story. Russia, after having survived the winter of 1942, was going to destroy Germany with or without our help. Had the Russians capitulated the US and the commonwealth would have been in a world of shet. It was this fear that motivated Oppenheimer to develope the bomb.
yes the recorded the most casualties, but 2 factors play into this number. 1 they could not fight germany without direct resupply and support from america and britain, and the payment for these supplies was the keeping of the bulk of the german war machine tied up in the west. 2 some (actually alot) of the russian dead were not by german hands. the russians were directly responsible for many of their own casualties. they put many of their own to death and they tended to count many civilian deaths in and amongst their military deaths.
i do not take away from the effort put in by the russians in the defeat of germany, but what i am saying is that it took the concerted efforts of all to accomplish it.
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Don't forget Flotsom, it took the Russian war machine quite a bit of time to ramp up. Once it got rolling, Germany lacked the ability to significantly affect it. Once Germany attacked Russia, it was only a matter of time before the tides turned heavily in Russia's favor.
Without the United States in my opinion, Europe would of been speaking Russian, not German.
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i slightly disagree,
brits stood no chance against germany's full attention. the brits in no place turned back germany's assualt. if you are impling in africa, it was the american rienforcments and the fact that hitler dedicated so much to barbarosa that africa corps could not and were not properly supported. supplies to britain (and russia) were given on the lend lease program, so without american support britain (and russia) would have failed to turn the tide.
I was talking about the luftwaffe and the BoB. without air superiority, britain would have fallen and britain turned back germany in 1939 there. El Alamein happened around the same time as torch yes but britain broke the axis line at el alamein 4 days before torch began. they are already being pushed back before america stepped in
edit: also, hitler didnt care for africa, he left it for italy. the only reason german forces were deployed there was due to the fact that italy needed the help. hitler didnt want to deploy there.
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The Battle of Britain started in 1940, so I doubt the UK turned back Germany in 1939.
Disregarding Lend-Lease, do you honestly believe that Operation Torch wasn't planned before
El Alamein? Heck it took longer than that for the ships to get to North Africa.
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I have not figured this out yet, but when did all of this voting B-29/Me-410 come along?
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I have not figured this out yet, but when did all of this voting B-29/Me-410 come along?
As soon as you log into the game
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I wonder what about the O club makes it ok for bad troll attempts :D
Don't know, very rarely go to the O Club, but this is a clear winner as a troll.
- oldman (Australia...that's the land down under, isn't it...?)
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It just took a drunk Kiwi, I doubt he remembers posting.
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A-26 would been nice but B-29 will suffice
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Do we know the results of the vote yet??? Come on 410 :pray
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would the me-410 be in midwar?
"Deliveries began in January 1943" from Wikipedia.
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FWIW, Me410 FTW
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Nixay on the 410! Too much common bird there.
The B29 now....theres a splendid once in a lifetime shot at greatness :banana:
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I was talking about the luftwaffe and the BoB. without air superiority, Britain would have fallen and Britain turned back germany in 1939 there. El Alamein happened around the same time as torch yes but Britain broke the axis line at el alamein 4 days before torch began. they are already being pushed back before america stepped in
edit: also, hitler didnt care for africa, he left it for italy. the only reason german forces were deployed there was due to the fact that italy needed the help. hitler didnt want to deploy there.
Montgomery received alot of assistance from America, and the battle took place in the October November time frame of 1942 not 1939. furthermore the BoB was merely a side show for hitler that he soon lost interest in as he was never truly of the mind to defeat Britain, most of his attention was dedicated to preparing for and then initiating operation Barbarossa. Britain never held "air superiority" per se, actually at one point the RAF had been driven to the very brink of destruction. they did not regain any forward momentum against the Luftwaffe until the Luftwaffe was ordered to stop attacking airfields and fighters and to instead dedicate their efforts into the bombing of the cities instead. the BoB was not won by Britain, it was discarded and thus lost by Germany. there is a difference.
the bulk of all supplies equipment and men were being prepared for the commencement of operation barbarosa, the germany effort to put into defeating was half hearted at best and when Britain didn't collapse completely under the air war hitler just gave up on it and moved on to his real goal, the destruction of Russia.
"In fact, Montgomery was waiting for the arrival of something that soldiers in the desert were only allowed to refer to as ‘swallows’. In fact, they were Sherman tanks - 300 of them to assist the Allies. Their 75 mm gun shot a 6lb shell that could penetrate a Panzer at 2000 metres. The 300 ‘Monty’ had were invaluable."
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Flotsom, that's a crock. Britain's serviceability and pilot availability outstripped the Luftwaffe's by a significant margin and they did win air superiority from late August on. Hitler was prepared to invade the UK. Once the Luftwaffe's Western Front serviceability fell below replacement levels it was obvious that landing barges were not going to be able to get near the shore let alone land troops. Logistics and training programmes begun in 1938 won the Battle of Britain. There is a myth that the UK was running out of aircraft and pilots. They weren't. Their front line bases were becoming increasingly difficult to maintain, but the switch to bombing London, probably in response to falling levels of available aircraft and crew allowed responsiveness levels to be maintained and forced the Luftwaffe to change to night ops.
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Flotsom, that's a crock. Britain's serviceability and pilot availability outstripped the Luftwaffe's by a significant margin and they did win air superiority from late August on. Hitler was prepared to invade the UK. Once the Luftwaffe's Western Front serviceability fell below replacement levels it was obvious that landing barges were not going to be able to get near the shore let alone land troops. Logistics and training programmes begun in 1938 won the Battle of Britain. There is a myth that the UK was running out of aircraft and pilots. They weren't. Their front line bases were becoming increasingly difficult to maintain, but the switch to bombing London, probably in response to falling levels of available aircraft and crew allowed responsiveness levels to be maintained and forced the Luftwaffe to change to night ops.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,286662.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,286662.0.html)
:noid
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Flotsom, that's a crock. Britain's serviceability and pilot availability outstripped the Luftwaffe's by a significant margin and they did win air superiority from late August on. Hitler was prepared to invade the UK. Once the Luftwaffe's Western Front serviceability fell below replacement levels it was obvious that landing barges were not going to be able to get near the shore let alone land troops. Logistics and training programmes begun in 1938 won the Battle of Britain. There is a myth that the UK was running out of aircraft and pilots. They weren't. Their front line bases were becoming increasingly difficult to maintain, but the switch to bombing London, probably in response to falling levels of available aircraft and crew allowed responsiveness levels to be maintained and forced the Luftwaffe to change to night ops.
operation Sea Wolf, the invassion of Britain was a farce from the begining. it was a bluff to try to make britain step out of the conflict. everything that germany did in the BoB constituted a halfhearted effort that was not properly equipt nor supported by the german war machine. it was more a practice arena for german pilots.
if you intend to defeat an enemy you dont employ a tiny fraction of your forces to do it. hitler allowed the minimum amount of supplies to be dedicated to the BoB, and in short time the RAF could not mount anything that you could remotely call a valid deffence against the Luftwaffe, until that is the Luftwaffe was ordered to stop attacking the RAF and dedicate their efforts against the cities. these are facts on record.
the barges you speak of were a visual bluff, many of them had no engines, were unservicable, could not support the weight of invassion equipment or were completely unsea worthy. these were a bluff for the RAF to see and photograph, it was a scare tactic nothing more.
germany was pushing britain off the map in every area that they came together until support from america started to pour in. war with britain was a war that hitler never wanted and failed to take seriously until it was to late.
as i have no intention of spending hours digging up sites and articles for you to read to support my statements i instead leave it up to you to find "unbiased" atricles and/or sites to disprove them.
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You don't play the game? Soon as you login to Online Gameplay you see it.
No i don't play anymore... But I'd probably come back if we had the B-29. Always thought it would be a fun plane to fly
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No i don't play anymore... But I'd probably come back if we had the B-29. Always thought it would be a fun plane to fly
+1
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operation Sea Wolf, the invassion of Britain was a farce from the begining. it was a bluff to try to make britain step out of the conflict. everything that germany did in the BoB constituted a halfhearted effort that was not properly equipt nor supported by the german war machine BS. it was more a practice arena for german pilots. Some warm up BS
if you intend to defeat an enemy you dont employ a tiny fraction of your forces to do it. hitler allowed the minimum amount of supplies to be dedicated to the BoB, and in short time the RAF could not mount anything that you could remotely call a valid deffence against the Luftwaffe (so the bomber groups got unmolested right), until that is the Luftwaffe was ordered to stop attacking the RAF and dedicate their efforts against the cities. these are facts on record. BS
someone has been reading Schlowy's big book of WW2 again, I wish he wouldn't keep lending it out.
Talking out of your arse flotsom (no offence old chap)
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operation Sea Wolf, the invassion of Britain was a farce from the begining. it was a bluff to try to make britain step out of the conflict. everything that germany did in the BoB constituted a halfhearted effort that was not properly equipt nor supported by the german war machine. it was more a practice arena for german pilots.
if you intend to defeat an enemy you dont employ a tiny fraction of your forces to do it. hitler allowed the minimum amount of supplies to be dedicated to the BoB, and in short time the RAF could not mount anything that you could remotely call a valid deffence against the Luftwaffe, until that is the Luftwaffe was ordered to stop attacking the RAF and dedicate their efforts against the cities. these are facts on record.
I suggest you read about the Battle of Britain before you start expounding on reasons why it failed for the Germans. You are incorrect on all of your points.
ack-ack
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operation Sea Wolf, the invassion of Britain was a farce from the begining. it was a bluff to try to make britain step out of the conflict. everything that germany did in the BoB constituted a halfhearted effort that was not properly equipt nor supported by the german war machine. it was more a practice arena for german pilots.
if you intend to defeat an enemy you dont employ a tiny fraction of your forces to do it. hitler allowed the minimum amount of supplies to be dedicated to the BoB, and in short time the RAF could not mount anything that you could remotely call a valid deffence against the Luftwaffe, until that is the Luftwaffe was ordered to stop attacking the RAF and dedicate their efforts against the cities. these are facts on record.
the barges you speak of were a visual bluff, many of them had no engines, were unservicable, could not support the weight of invassion equipment or were completely unsea worthy. these were a bluff for the RAF to see and photograph, it was a scare tactic nothing more.
germany was pushing britain off the map in every area that they came together until support from america started to pour in. war with britain was a war that hitler never wanted and failed to take seriously until it was to late.
as i have no intention of spending hours digging up sites and articles for you to read to support my statements i instead leave it up to you to find "unbiased" atricles and/or sites to disprove them.
:huh
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lol do you mean operation Sea Lion?
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actually i have been reading books written by everyone else but Schlowy.....his "Sheep in Review" magazine has some nice pictures of "wild life" but other than that he tends to be tedious and long winded :devil
you have to read some of everyone and find the non-self promoting truth that lays somewhere in the middle.
when the Luftwaffe propaganda machine says the destroyed say 20 British fighters on any given day but on the following day the British roll call and mechanical reports show only 7 planes damaged and 4 pilots MIA where do you think the truth is?
both sides propaganda machines are equally guilty of brutalizing the truth, unfortunately because the allies solely wrote the history after the war most of what we have is not based on truth but instead based upon the image they as victors wanted to present to the future historians.
the Russians were by far the worst of the offenders in this, but like i said read the front line reports instead of the propaganda and you will find a different truth that hides behind the story book versions. start with the battle of Kursk, that is a glaring example of the facts not living up to the trackable history. start at this site and then more on from there. http://www.uni.edu/~licari/citadel.htm (http://www.uni.edu/~licari/citadel.htm) i use this as an example only because it is so big and so obvious a difference in so many areas that its easy to see the truth from the post battle propaganda.
the field reports tell a truth all to themselves.
the same can be done for each day of the BoB, it is way to much work and i am far to lazy for me to want to do for you, look at the reports that they use for resupply and repair of men machines and equipment. if you are willing to take the time then you can research the battle of Britain almost completely and account for every plane that was used where it was stationed where it was damaged/lost who the pilot was etc etc. remember, planes don't come back without their pilots, so if they say 5 planes were lost but 9 pilots never returned to roll call and 8 planes were in need of repair or removed from action completely then where is the truth?
i have given up on any history based upon the "historical record", show me resupply repair and roll call reports, then you have my undivided attention.
yes i meant "sea lion", my bad you are correct.
ack i suggest you prove your point because i have actually read a considerable amount on it. the fact remains it was never taken as a serious option for hitler. he never wanted war with Britain, he never wanted to invade them. his bluff was called and he turned his attention back to stock piling supplies for the invasion of Russia which took place the following summer.
this site is a good starting point for the British side of the BoB http://www.raf.mod.uk/Bob1940/bobhome.html (http://www.raf.mod.uk/Bob1940/bobhome.html) i cant currently find the similar sites i have read for the German side of the story, just look im sure you'll find them.
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Knock off the thead hijack please.
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Knock off the thead hijack please.
lol I actually hit the back button to make sure the forum didn't send me to the wrong thread as it does sometimes. :D
410 FTW
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I picked the B-29!
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is there really any other choice :)
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(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/509/messerschmittme410gerha.jpg)
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Meat on the table :rofl
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(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/509/messerschmittme410gerha.jpg)
I have thought long and hard on this. Develop the pro and cons of each AC, history, impacts they had and what will fill the gap. Me-410 will have its day on AH.
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The choice is easy really. What it the current US:German:Russian bomber ratio?
When it's broken down like that clearly it's time for a Russian bomber rather than a German or another US one
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The choice is easy really. What it the current US:German:Russian bomber ratio?
When it's broken down like that clearly it's time for a Russian bomber rather than a German or another US one
The choice is between a German heavy fighter and an American heavy bomber, though.
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the time has come to announce the results.
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the time has come to announce the results.
It has?
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It has?
No, but I can't wait to see!!! GO 410 :O
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:rofl
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If they had a b29 I would come back.
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As long as I get my Betty, as I said.
I winz all teh warz!
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You're an integral part of this community..... You really should.
If they had a b29 I would come back.
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i voted 410 :rock
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:O
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ME410 FTW!!!!!!!! :rock :rock :rock
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sad thing is the P61 would have been a far more interesting ride than the 410. I say this obviously in the minority, but it is true nonetheless.
B29
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Too much American Iron.
Me410!
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Too much American Iron.
Me410!
Not enough Boeing Iron
B-29
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If the B-29 wins, I quit! :furious
Dang... wait... already done that :uhoh
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we can do this all day Yeager :D
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we can do this all day Yeager :D
ME410!!!!!
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can we compromise for a BME24910?
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I wonder why HTC is sitting on the votes?
We went through the first three rounds in nearly as many days and this last round has been out there for what? a week?
Perhaps it is a close vote and HTC is seeing a trend they want to prevail so makes sense to keep the poll open.
I'm guessing the 410 might be close to the B29 in votes. Would be a shame to see the B29 lose to such a snoozer of a plane :eek:
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I'll show you Snoozer :neener:
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anyone who votes b-29 will get nekkid shawk pics delivered to ur work signed and claiming his undying love for you
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People are gonna die because of the poles.
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I wonder why HTC is sitting on the votes?
Maybe because it's not the 10th? When I did the last round of voting, the message said we had until the 10th.
ack-ack
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I Decree that 410 is the Number.
And the Number Shall be 410!
Not 29, Neither Shall it be another 38
But it Will be 410.
Unless its a Beau.
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Maybe because it's not the 10th? When I did the last round of voting, the message said we had until the 10th.
ack-ack
Obviously I missed that. Thanks though. Tomorrow is teh day. I will enjoy either one but the B29 is far more exciting ride to me.
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I don't see why fly a 410, just up a 110.
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That is like comparing a spitfire to a brewster.
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That is like comparing a spitfire to a brewster.
I still vote the 29 in its a much better candidate and fits the strat raid roll perfectly.
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I still vote the 29 in its a much better candidate and fits the strat raid roll perfectly.
There's a strat role in AH anymore?
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I don't see why fly a 410, just up a 110.
Why fly a 29, just up a Lanc
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There's a strat role in AH anymore?
Not really. Too far away, too heavily defended considering it has almost no strategic effect or impact on a players score.
Instead, high alt bombers take out random town center after town center.
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Not really. Too far away, too heavily defended considering it has almost no strategic effect or impact on a players score.
Instead, high alt bombers take out random town center after town center.
That doesnt pay very well.
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Why not do both?
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I really hope the 410 wins. Even though I mostly fly American birds, I'd love to see planes added for the Axis.
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The 410 can carry 2000 lbs internally and 400lbs externally, doing so at very high speeds, and still have 2x20mm forward guns to defend itself if it's chased down.
I think the bomber crowd will be pleased by the jabo in their midst, should the 410 beat the B-29 in the vote.