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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: VonMessa on February 24, 2011, 09:40:26 AM
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The following is a facebook post from the mother of one of my son's friends.
<QUOTE> debating on whether to call n complain or not~ <name> often rushes in the morning, and just makes the bus.... but he says that he was along side the bus this morning approaching the door, and the bus drove away :( i am really ticked, he could have been hurt. isn't the driver supposed to be aware of all sides of his bus? and <name> carries a flashlight! <QUOTE>
Understand that after speaking to the mother, I found out that the child was in no immediate danger.
Is this indicative of a sadly growing trend in our society where we blame everyone we possibly can for our own failures? Kind of like not paying the gas bill and getting pissed when the supplier shuts off the service in the middle of a hot shower? or... not paying the ISP bill and getting pissed at THEM when they pull your plug in the middle of a sortie?
Whose fault is this?
Is there any right to be pissed?
Would this incident have even occurred if the kid was at the bus stop on time everyday?
Please discuss...
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mom needs to just shut up and get her kid some discipline...her kids actions are a result of her actions or lack thereof
but that's just me...i'm a (lmao...prettythang???) mean jackwagon
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It's AH's fault I'm single...clearly
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mom needs to just shut up and get her kid some discipline...her kids actions are a result of her actions or lack thereof
but that's just me...i'm a hard prettythang
Or a military thing...
I would rather be 15-20 minutes early and wait, rather than be even 30 seconds tardy.
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mom needs to just shut up and get her kid some discipline...her kids actions are a result of her actions or lack thereof
but that's just me...i'm a hard prettythang
*snickers* Gyrene the prettythang :lol
On subject parent and kid are at fault. Arrive at your destination 10 minutes early and you'll never be late. Make the kid go to bed on time and get up in time to get where he's going.
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mom needs to just shut up and get her kid some discipline...her kids actions are a result of her actions or lack thereof
but that's just me...i'm a hard prettythang
Or a military thing...
I would rather be 15-20 minutes early and wait, rather than be even 30 seconds tardy.
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We had an incident up here where a kid was alongside a school bus and as it pulled away the kid slipped off the small snow birm next to the front tire and got his leg ran over. It was broke in 2 places.
It happens
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Or a military thing...
I would rather be 15-20 minutes early and wait, rather than be even 30 seconds tardy.
you feel strongly about this dontcha? :D :bolt:
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*snickers* Gyrene the prettythang :lol
On subject parent and kid are at fault. Arrive at your destination 10 minutes early and you'll never be late. Make the kid go to bed on time and get up in time to get where he's going.
That's what I've been thinking. I know that my moral compass does not always point North, but I needed confirmation that I'm not thinking incorrectly about punctuality preventing this whole situation from happening. I just couldn't believe that someone felt justified at being pissed at the bus driver.
The whole conversation is actually very sad/funny and I will post it in it's entirety. What is scary is that most folks are agreeing with her. :noid
If I would have missed the bus in my day, I would have:
A) had my bellybutton beat
B) been forced to walk to school
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I'm totally with you on the punctuality thing. I don't feel right if I get to work a minute later than I planned to. I used to get EXTREMELY irritated at my ex when we had planned to go somewhere at a certain time and she'd screw around till and past the last minute.
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How old is the kid?
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How old is the kid?
5th grade
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Just plain laziness on the parent, it's up to the parent to teach the kids responsibilities which includes being on time, if he would of been there on time with the rest of the kids he wouldn't of been left behind, kind of a funny topic for me last month my son dragged his feet to the bus and missed it, he comes walking back into the house all pissed off saying how it just left him, i looked at him and said BS i watched out the window and you just drug your feet, he looks at me and goes can i have a ride to school, the look in my eyes told him he better just walk, and he did almost a mile to school, he hasn't missed the bus again
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Just plain laziness on the parent, it's up to the parent to teach the kids responsibilities which includes being on time, if he would of been there on time with the rest of the kids he wouldn't of been left behind, kind of a funny topic for me last month my son dragged his feet to the bus and missed it, he comes walking back into the house all pissed off saying how it just left him, i looked at him and said BS i watched out the window and you just drug your feet, he looks at me and goes can i have a ride to school, the look in my eyes told him he better just walk, and he did almost a mile to school, he hasn't missed the bus again
WHAT? :O
You made him WALK? :O
He didn't DIE? :O
It even taught him a lesson?
:noid
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If I would have missed the bus in my day, I would have:
A) had my bellybutton beat
B) been forced to walk to school
same here...but, we're talking about having parents that took responsibility for their children's behavior...doesn't happen today
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We had an incident up here where a kid was alongside a school bus and as it pulled away the kid slipped off the small snow birm next to the front tire and got his leg ran over. It was broke in 2 places.
It happens
You're alive!!!! Camadore Kamori!!! :D
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same here...but, we're talking about having parents that took responsibility for their children's behavior...doesn't happen today
I really weep for the future of my children.
They are either going to be shunned by their peers because they take responsibility for their own actions
or
They will make out exceptionally well in the real world from learning some self-discipline
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WHAT? :O
You made him WALK? :O
He didn't DIE? :O
It even taught him a lesson?
:noid
lol my son calls me old school hardass but in a good way, hard being a single dad in this world lol
edit... when i told him to walk to school he had 25 min to make the bell, if your late the Xbox will be gone for a week, he wasn't late
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lol my son calls me old school hardass but in a good way, hard being a single dad in this world lol
edit... when i told him to walk to school he had 25 min to make the bell, if your late the Xbox will be gone for a week, he wasn't late
You may be on to something...
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OK, so somewhere around 10. Does he have any behavioral issues e.g. ADD or ADHD? And if the tardiness to the bus stop is a recurring issue why can't a parent walk him there and wait with him?
I'm not picking a side here, I have 3 kids, a 6yo girl, a 5yo boy and a 16 month boy. My daughter is impossible in the morning (most of the time really, although she has not been diagnosed yet she probably has ADD.) My older son, however, will be dressed and waiting for breakfast in 10 minutes once I drag him out of bed. I'm seeing a little of both sides here and I think the parents should be more involved in his morning routine, also the bus driver needs to not let himself become complacent with a continually tardy child. Complacency kills. Really that goes for all involved, driver, parents and child.
And the last question is the kid lying to save face with the parents? Blame the driver, obviously the parents were not there to witness this first hand.
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The sad thing is that people feel that they have to display their lives on the internet.
by the way..I'm 6'2 185 blue eyes and brown hair
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The sad thing is that people feel that they have to display their lives on the internet.
by the way..I'm 6'2 185 blue eyes and brown hair
I'm 6'3" 250 :D
Oh, that's exactly what you were talking about.... :bolt:
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same here...but, we're talking about having parents that took responsibility for their children's behavior...doesn't happen today
LOL WOW!!
You don't think that is what exactly your older piers said when you were in school???
Today is exactly the same as yesterday, you are just in a different position today than you were yesterday.
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LOL WOW!!
You don't think that is what exactly your older piers said when you were in school???
Today is exactly the same as yesterday, you are just in a different position today than you were yesterday.
actually, i grew up in a time when the entire neighborhood took responsibility for each others kids...the type of parental behavior you see today was uncommon...not considered normal...those who let their children behave the way people do now were shunned by the rest of the community, not accepted.
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The bus driver has no idea why the kid might have been a few seconds late. Even if he/she does, it is not her job to discipline my kid. I will deal with my kid if she late consistently or has problems getting ready in the morning. However, if I feel the driver put them in any danger, he/she has a good chance of ending up in the hospital. It is my job to parent my kids. Not yours, not the drivers. He/she has no idea if the kid was sick, if I lost power and the alarms did not work, if the parent works nights, etc. He does not need to know. Not her job. Drive the bus and keep the kids safe.
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Just more of the "Teacher gave me an F." or the "I got an A." way of thinking.
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OK, so somewhere around 10. Does he have any behavioral issues e.g. ADD or ADHD? And if the tardiness to the bus stop is a recurring issue why can't a parent walk him there and wait with him?
I'm not picking a side here, I have 3 kids, a 6yo girl, a 5yo boy and a 16 month boy. My daughter is impossible in the morning (most of the time really, although she has not been diagnosed yet she probably has ADD.) My older son, however, will be dressed and waiting for breakfast in 10 minutes once I drag him out of bed. I'm seeing a little of both sides here and I think the parents should be more involved in his morning routine, also the bus driver needs to not let himself become complacent with a continually tardy child. Complacency kills. Really that goes for all involved, driver, parents and child.
And the last question is the kid lying to save face with the parents? Blame the driver, obviously the parents were not there to witness this first hand.
Keys, wallet, phone in same place every day <check>
Tomorrow's clothes ready the night before <check>
Fifteen minutes added to preparation time, just for good measure <check>
For someone with rampant ADD, like myself, the elimination of ambiguity is a powerful deterrent against the morning "where is my crap, I have to be somewhere on time" chaos.
Using ADD is never an excuse for failure, just a reason to be more mindful of distractions than others would have to be and make adjustments
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same here...but, we're talking about having parents that took responsibility for their children's behavior...doesn't happen today
not to mention if you beat your kids bellybutton these days...you might end up in jail...when we were kids...I'm 48...we were considered our parents "property"...those days are gone...not sayin' it's right...matter of fact...I think the way things are today reflects too many "consolation trophies" out there... :uhoh
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The bus driver has no idea why the kid might have been a few seconds late. Even if he/she does, it is not her job to discipline my kid. I will deal with my kid if she late consistently or has problems getting ready in the morning. However, if I feel the driver put them in any danger, he/she has a good chance of ending up in the hospital. It is my job to parent my kids. Not yours, not the drivers. He/she has no idea if the kid was sick, if I lost power and the alarms did not work, if the parent works nights, etc. He does not need to know. Not her job. Drive the bus and keep the kids safe.
It is the bus driver's job to pick students up, on time, at the bus stop. It is a service contracted by the school to transport many many children to school in a timely fashion
It is neither a limousine, nor a taxi.
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I guess I and most of the guys in this thread see things a little differently than the average parent. My job was to instill a sense of discipline, a work ethic, and a moral compass, into my son. I think I've accomplished that.
And yes when I was growing up I'd much have rathered my mom or dad catching me doing something stupid than to have a neighbor report it to them. The butt whippings were not as severe in the former case.
Fortunately I didn't have to do much corporal punishment on my son.
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I guess I and most of the guys in this thread see things a little differently than the average parent. My job was to instill a sense of discipline, a work ethic, and a moral compass, into my son. I think I've accomplished that.
And yes when I was growing up I'd much have rathered my mom or dad catching me doing something stupid than to have a neighbor report it to them. The butt whippings were not as severe in the former case.
Fortunately I didn't have to do much corporal punishment on my son.
You probably still remember a day when you got it at school and, when you got home, got it twice as bad for having to be punished at school.
and WOW ! You are still alive!
Imagine that...
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Shocking isn't it?
Remember trading taking licks in lieu of staying after school or running the track through athletics?
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Shocking isn't it?
Remember trading taking licks in lieu of staying after school or running the track through athletics?
There would be witch-hunts, tribunals, and mega media coverage if that happened today.
Oh wait... it has...
http://www.totalprosports.com/2011/02/22/holy-family-university-coach-hits-kicks-player-during-practice-video/ (http://www.totalprosports.com/2011/02/22/holy-family-university-coach-hits-kicks-player-during-practice-video/)
WAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! :cry
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At 5th grade it's the parents fault. Actually, it's the parents fault for everything the kid does till the magical 18th birthday comes along.
I got a ticket for being truant from High School last year and had to take time off work twice to plead my side and win. Oh yeah, I'm 40+ and was at work at the time of the incident, but a child of mine was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I figured someone would bring up ADD or ADHD. Really? You know, every parent these days just KNOWS that their child has one or the other. I mean, why else would MY child possibly behave like that?
Maybe another time-out is in order. OK Timmy, I hope you know that this hurts me more than it hurts you, but I'm going to have to put you into a time-out for 4 minutes (because that's the recommended time in some politically correct "parenting" magazine)
Gimme a break. :bhead
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Yet another result of the 'parents' today forcing the government and the school districts into being surrogate parents because they don't want to do the job. If I had gotten caught skipping school my happy little butt would have been at the station and they would have called my dad. Then :O
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If I had gotten caught skipping school my happy little butt would have been at the station and they would have called my dad. Then :O
That's about exactly what happened. I got the call while at work. :furious The ocifer then took all my info, I didn't understand why, until I got the court date in the mail. THEN all hell broke loose.
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You know though a lot of the younger guys on this board and in this game seem to be very polite, intelligent, and well disciplined young men. And then, of course, a lot of the guys here seem to share a lot of the same core values so perhaps there is more hope than we see.
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we're all (young and old) just a tiny microcosm of the social fabric...remember all the rejects in school (male and female) that sat at the back of the class and were always in trouble? they reproduced...then propaganda news shows tried to tell the rest of us that the standards we grew up with were wrong
welcome to the 21st century... :aok
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You know though a lot of the younger guys on this board and in this game seem to be very polite, intelligent, and well disciplined young men. And then, of course, a lot of the guys here seem to share a lot of the same core values so perhaps there is more hope than we see.
I hope that you are right, my friend.
My fear is that, one day, this country will be full of weak folks all of them trying to appease and not offend each other.
Like Rome:
the coffers are empty
The place i full of non-citizens who could care less who is running the show
an the enemy is a the gates
I'm afraid hat one day, it won't even take much of a fight...
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*snickers* Gyrene the prettythang :lol
On subject parent and kid are at fault. Arrive at your destination 10 minutes early and you'll never be late. Make the kid go to bed on time and get up in time to get where he's going.
For those of us significantly over the equator (North East United States) this becomes a severe problem in the winter. You see, the human body will wake up on its own if exposed to light- however, having our first class at 7:20 AM is a poor way to achieve this aim. As such, children and adolescents are frequently groggy in the morning- as if they had been forced awake in the middle of the night (which they are being- just look outside).
Not only is this painful, but needless and dangerous. If one is not awake, errors in judgement are much more likely for people of all ages. If left to their own devices, teens will fall asleep at approximately 22:00, and to force them to sleep earlier results in irregular sleep cycles. In fact, I am currently my own guinea pig in my quest to find the answer to why I am groggy in the morning.
My results have been strange, and sometimes horrifiying. Things went swimmingly until after I crossed the 22:00 margin. After attempting to fall asleep at 21:44, I dreamt of forgetting homework and messing with my alarm clock while having two dead iguanas tied around my neck (and later having to exrtract their major blood vessels). I would also awaken at all hours of the night, either thirsty or needing to relieve myself.
People shouldn't have to live like this!
:salute
-Penguin
PS I was not intoxicated at any time during these trials, and I have no discernable problems with bladder control, diabetes, or insomnia
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For those of us significantly over the equator (North East United States) this becomes a severe problem in the winter. You see, the human body will wake up on its own if exposed to light- however, having our first class at 7:20 AM is a poor way to achieve this aim. As such, children and adolescents are frequently groggy in the morning- as if they had been forced awake in the middle of the night (which they are being- just look outside).
Not only is this painful, but needless and dangerous. If one is not awake, errors in judgement are much more likely for people of all ages. If left to their own devices, teens will fall asleep at approximately 22:00, and to force them to sleep earlier results in irregular sleep cycles. In fact, I am currently my own guinea pig in my quest to find the answer to why I am groggy in the morning.
My results have been strange, and sometimes horrifiying. Things went swimmingly until after I crossed the 22:00 margin. After attempting to fall asleep at 21:44, I dreamt of forgetting homework and messing with my alarm clock while having two dead iguanas tied around my neck (and later having to exrtract their major blood vessels). I would also awaken at all hours of the night, either thirsty or needing to relieve myself.
People shouldn't have to live like this!
:salute
-Penguin
PS I was not intoxicated at any time during these trials, and I have no discernable problems with bladder control, diabetes, or insomnia
Horse apples.
Your body will wake up any time u tell it to, if you have some self discipline.
Try some PT in the morning.
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:cry I just want to be able to sleep in :cry
Fixed.
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Fixed.
Can you fix my keyboard? (I keep missing keystrokes)
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Can you fix my keyboard? (I keep missing keystrokes)
Try it now, I fexid it! :cheers:
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Horse apples.
Your body will wake up any time u tell it to, if you have some self discipline.
Try some PT in the morning.
agreed, i wake up 5am every morning alarm or not, really a pisser on the weekends when i would like to sleep in, but when i do sleep in it's only till 7am, my son's getting into the same routine and he very seldom needs an alarm for school, he has a set bedtime of 10pm, at first he used to argue about it but now realizes its for his own good, i will let him sleep in on the weekends till about 9am , time wasted is time lost :aok
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Can you fix my keyboard? (I keep missing keystrokes)
probably from the mixture of coffee and other drinks residue embedded in it ;)
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Actually, it was the batteries...
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If you have to ask Faceplant, er Facebook, what to do. You're too
ephing stupid to be a parent.
If you have to hit your kid to guide them through life then you really
are too ephing stupid to have spawn.
If you sound like Grandpa Curmudegon and piss & moan about today's
youth and their parentage then you're just plain ephing stupid. (maybe
the problem is the type of people you surround yourself with in the city,
town or sh7thole neighborhood you line in now).
Who's to blame? whatever happened to 'No child Left Behind?" lol
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Sleep is a fickle mistress...I've always been tired my whole life...
If you sleep too little your tired, if you sleep too much your tired.
I had a nasty afternoon nap problem for a long time...best thing to do is never nap...and not sleep more than 7 hours in a night.
6 hours is ok 7 is perfect and 8 or more is worse than less than 6 :)
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Looks like the train is about to jump the track... I'll be jumping off now :bolt:
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Looks like the train is about to jump the track... I'll be jumping off now :bolt:
Make room for me, I'll bring beer.
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It is the bus driver's job to pick students up, on time, at the bus stop. It is a service contracted by the school to transport many many children to school in a timely fashion
It is neither a limousine, nor a taxi.
I agree, but you need to also add safely to that.
My point is that if the kid was at the side of the bus, he was on time. Second, if the driver had a problem with the kid, he could send a note home to me and let me deal with it. You DO NOT put a kid in harms way because you think he was late. Let me know and I will deal with it. Not you, not the bus driver. If you want to take it a bit further, I could claim that it is a limo service. My taxes are paying for his job. If he has a problem with it he can go work somewhere else.
What would be your reaction if I tried to discipline or parent your kid? Would you rather have me do that or tell you and have you deal with it, if you thought I was right? I think the driver acted like one of the kids taking the bus.
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it's because we have crapped on ourselves as a society.
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I agree, but you need to also add safely to that.
My point is that if the kid was at the side of the bus, he was on time. Second, if the driver had a problem with the kid, he could send a note home to me and let me deal with it. You DO NOT put a kid in harms way because you think he was late. Let me know and I will deal with it. Not you, not the bus driver. If you want to take it a bit further, I could claim that it is a limo service. My taxes are paying for his job. If he has a problem with it he can go work somewhere else.
What would be your reaction if I tried to discipline or parent your kid? Would you rather have me do that or tell you and have you deal with it, if you thought I was right? I think the driver acted like one of the kids taking the bus.
Running to catch up with the bus is NOT on-time. In most cases, if there is no child at the bus stop, the driver will only slow down. Chances are he was trying to run to the bus because he was dragging his ass, again.
Honestly, I am old school and you are not going to like my answer.
I would tell you the same thing that I told my kids' future step-dad. Please refrain from NOT disciplining my children if they are out of line (within reason, of course). I would prefer that they be disciplined by another parent than allowed to run rampant, be incorrigible, disrespectful, learn to have some undeserved sense of entitlement, or feel like that they can get away with any-damn-thing that they please.
My reaction if you disciplined them?
I'd thank you for caring, shake your hand and punish them again. Not only for doing whatever it was they did in the first place, but also for doing in in such a public fashion that someone else had to take care of it.
Integrity, as I constantly remind them, is how one conduct's one's self, regardless if one thinks others are looking or not...
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Running to catch up with the bus is NOT on-time. In most cases, if there is no child at the bus stop, the driver will only slow down. Chances are he was trying to run to the bus because he was dragging his ass, again.
Honestly, I am old school and you are not going to like my answer.
I would tell you the same thing that I told my kids' future step-dad. Please refrain from NOT disciplining my children if they are out of line (within reason, of course). I would prefer that they be disciplined by another parent than allowed to run rampant, be incorrigible, disrespectful, learn to have some undeserved sense of entitlement, or feel like that they can get away with any-damn-thing that they please.
My reaction if you disciplined them?
I'd thank you for caring, shake your hand and punish them again. Not only for doing whatever it was they did in the first place, but also for doing in in such a public fashion that someone else had to take care of it.
Integrity, as I constantly remind them, is how one conduct's one's self, regardless if one thinks others are looking or not...
:rofl yep, I don't like it. What you guys are missing here is that no one said the kid should not be disciplined. But, it should be done by the parents the way THEY see fit. What you or I think is irrelevant. So, yeah, you can tell me if you have a problem with my kids and I will try to fix it. You can drive off if my kid is late. Drive off when my kid is next to your bus and make me think she was in danger and the list of your worries will be how many seconds late she was.
Not everything is punishable by death or mutilation you know :lol
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agreed, i wake up 5am every morning alarm or not, really a pisser on the weekends when i would like to sleep in, but when i do sleep in it's only till 7am, my son's getting into the same routine and he very seldom needs an alarm for school, he has a set bedtime of 10pm, at first he used to argue about it but now realizes its for his own good, i will let him sleep in on the weekends till about 9am , time wasted is time lost :aok
Tell that to the sleep deprived masses at my school- some of us are barely staying awake. My friend is so starved of sleep he can't even talk in the morning. This isn't an intelligent way to live.
Also, to all you "oldschoolers", every "oldschooler" I've talked to thus far told me that their highschool started at 8:00, not 7:20. Furthermore, sleep patterns vary throughout your life- as a newborn, you were comatose for 20 out of 24 hours each day. As a toddler, you slept around 12-14 hours, as a kid, it drops off sharply to 8, then climbs up to 9 during puberty (so that we can GROW and be BIG and STRONG) then falls down to 8 as an adult. The elderly sleep even less (6 to 7 hours), and it only goes downhill from there.
The winter exacerbates the problem, since nighttime lasts from 16:00 to 7:00 in some cases. When do you know when to wake up? After hour number 13, or hour number 14?
I am a seasoned traveller, and this is more difficult than shifting a vast number of hours. In this case, a one hour shift must be made, and then maintatined very carefully. You would think that we would have this down by now, but puberty makes it impossible. Read my example of the total inability to fight the circadian rythms, and the punishment for trying: dreaming of having iguanas tied around your neck while attempting to find out why your bedroom smells like ham, and then waking up at all hours of the night. Kids willl still sleep at the same hour, and they'll be more awake during school.
-Penguin
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I think the mother is being a bit overboard and overprotective, god help those that have to deal with her if her son decides to enter into something as scandelous and devious as the Boy Scouts in a year or two.
Obviously she's never made or let her kid walk to/from school or she wouldn't even bat an eyelash at as petty a "vehicular incident" as a bus pulling away from a dead stop and her kid standing a mere foot or two next to it on the side. It's a good way to develop early life-saving SA.
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Here's a kooky plan for you Penguin. If you want to sleep 9 hours or more, how about you go to bed earlier. It's a wacky idea but it really works.
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Here's a kooky plan for you Penguin. If you want to sleep 9 hours or more, how about you go to bed earlier. It's a wacky idea but it really works.
Bingo, man wins the Prize, no one to blame but the Parents
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Tell that to the sleep deprived masses at my school- some of us are barely staying awake. My friend is so starved of sleep he can't even talk in the morning. This isn't an intelligent way to live.
Also, to all you "oldschoolers", every "oldschooler" I've talked to thus far told me that their highschool started at 8:00, not 7:20. Furthermore, sleep patterns vary throughout your life- as a newborn, you were comatose for 20 out of 24 hours each day. As a toddler, you slept around 12-14 hours, as a kid, it drops off sharply to 8, then climbs up to 9 during puberty (so that we can GROW and be BIG and STRONG) then falls down to 8 as an adult. The elderly sleep even less (6 to 7 hours), and it only goes downhill from there.
The winter exacerbates the problem, since nighttime lasts from 16:00 to 7:00 in some cases. When do you know when to wake up? After hour number 13, or hour number 14?
I am a seasoned traveller, and this is more difficult than shifting a vast number of hours. In this case, a one hour shift must be made, and then maintatined very carefully. You would think that we would have this down by now, but puberty makes it impossible. Read my example of the total inability to fight the circadian rythms, and the punishment for trying: dreaming of having iguanas tied around your neck while attempting to find out why your bedroom smells like ham, and then waking up at all hours of the night. Kids willl still sleep at the same hour, and they'll be more awake during school.
-Penguin
It's about discipline. It has nothing to do with the amount of sleep you did or didn't get. If you can't drag your butt out of bed in the morning to catch the school bus or go to work then your just making excuses. Try taking responsibility for your own actions. There's a reason why you and your peers are all so tired. It's because you don't go to sleep early enough.
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The following is a facebook post from the mother of one of my son's friends.
<QUOTE> debating on whether to call n complain or not~ <name> often rushes in the morning, and just makes the bus.... but he says that he was along side the bus this morning approaching the door, and the bus drove away :( i am really ticked, he could have been hurt. isn't the driver supposed to be aware of all sides of his bus? and <name> carries a flashlight! <QUOTE>
Understand that after speaking to the mother, I found out that the child was in no immediate danger.
Is this indicative of a sadly growing trend in our society where we blame everyone we possibly can for our own failures? Kind of like not paying the gas bill and getting pissed when the supplier shuts off the service in the middle of a hot shower? or... not paying the ISP bill and getting pissed at THEM when they pull your plug in the middle of a sortie?
Whose fault is this?
Is there any right to be pissed?
Would this incident have even occurred if the kid was at the bus stop on time everyday?
Please discuss...
yea it is. no one is at fault for their own problems anymore. it's always someone elses faultr........
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look at me for example.
I am friendly, polite and respond to authority.
Why?
cause when I was a kid I got the shiit kicked out of me if I wasn't.
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look at me for example.
I am friendly, polite and respond to authority.
Why?
cause when I was a kid I got the shiit kicked out of me if I wasn't.
i had the benefit of my grandparent playing mom and dad.
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It's about discipline. It has nothing to do with the amount of sleep you did or didn't get. If you can't drag your butt out of bed in the morning to catch the school bus or go to work then your just making excuses. Try taking responsibility for your own actions. There's a reason why you and your peers are all so tired. It's because you don't go to sleep early enough.
Baloney- try going without sleep for a while, your body will shut down
Baloney- Right, right, I bet you slept like a baby during puberty.
Why on earth should every single student in the school suffer? It makes no sense, if not one student muster the 'discipline', then the demands placed are unreasonable. A better example- imagine getting up at 4:00 AM for work, one would barely be conscious. We teens face the same problem, and there is no good reason to have the system this way. Our sleep patterns can and will change once we finish puberty, but not a moment sooner.
I'd like to be able to conform to the demands of the system, but its requirements are superhuman. I can't dream of dissecting iguanas tied around my neck while waking up in the middle of the night!
-Penguin
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Baloney- try going without sleep for a while, your body will shut down
Baloney- Right, right, I bet you slept like a baby during puberty.
Why on earth should every single student in the school suffer? It makes no sense, if not one student muster the 'discipline', then the demands placed are unreasonable. A better example- imagine getting up at 4:00 AM for work, one would barely be conscious. We teens face the same problem, and there is no good reason to have the system this way. Our sleep patterns can and will change once we finish puberty, but not a moment sooner.
I'd like to be able to conform to the demands of the system, but its requirements are superhuman. I can't dream of dissecting iguanas tied around my neck while waking up in the middle of the night!
-Penguin
Us adults have the fortunate advantage of having experience on this issue. When it's time to get up, it's time to get up. If being that tired is causing that many problems as you say, go to bed earlier. Nothing superhuman about getting on with a few hours sleep. What it appears to me is that your tired of hearing the "Back in my day" stories. But maybe us "Back in my day" guys actually have something there, stop and listen.
And if I had to be up for work at 4am, I'd be in bed no later then 8-9 the night before. Responsibilty is not what you demand schedules to be, it's how you deal with schedules to make sure your prepared.
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Baloney- try going without sleep for a while, your body will shut down
Baloney- Right, right, I bet you slept like a baby during puberty.
Why on earth should every single student in the school suffer? It makes no sense, if not one student muster the 'discipline', then the demands placed are unreasonable. A better example- imagine getting up at 4:00 AM for work, one would barely be conscious. We teens face the same problem, and there is no good reason to have the system this way. Our sleep patterns can and will change once we finish puberty, but not a moment sooner.
I'd like to be able to conform to the demands of the system, but its requirements are superhuman. I can't dream of dissecting iguanas tied around my neck while waking up in the middle of the night!
-Penguin
I don't have to imagine getting up at 4:00 am for work I've done it. Then drive two hours to get to the job site work ten hours then the two hour drive home. Try that for thirty days straight then you might understand what tired is all about.
Just an fyi when I was in high school I had to be out of the house no later than 6:00 am to catch the bus. My sister got up every morning at 4:30 so she could do her girlie girl foo foo stuff, so don't tell me how difficult it is to get up on time because your in puberty.
Keep making excuses. You'll go far in life. :aok
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You'll go far in life. :aok
Almost as far as some of the posters :rofl Never seen so match perfection in my life. You guys are awesome. No one has ever been late in their life and the ones that did were punished by death :lol
You are missing the point. It is the kids fault for being late. It is the parents fault for allowing it. However, it is the parents responsibility to take care of it. Not some fat guy driving a bus. He can drive away all he wants as long as he does not create a danger to the children. So the real question here is was the kid in any potential danger or is the mother over reacting. The rest is really irrelevant.
BTW, I am 41 so I guess I was brought up the "right" way also :lol Hitting a kid only shows your inability to deal with the situation. Keep tooting your horns but anyone that has to hit an 6,8 or 10 year old to get his point across is a loser and a coward in my eyes. You have lost the war.
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Back in my day, I wouldn't sleep at all during puberty. I'd sneak out, take a car and go find some trim to sneak into.
Catch a cat nap during study hall or English class, and then sleep in on Sunday.
If I was caught (it happened), I was punished severely. However, little Melvin would eventually take command and I'd be back on the prowl.
These days, the un-spoken agreement between my family and our friends with kids is that the nearest adult has the authority to lay the smack down if need be. I was a very lucky young idiot. No need for my kids to press it.
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100% spot on dedalos.
"if your late the Xbox will be gone for a week, he wasn't late"
WHAT? You didn't beat the crap out of him?
Seriously. It can be as simple as that. but hit a kid and you're
nothing but a bully with an iq of 10 (at best)
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I don't have to imagine getting up at 4:00 am for work I've done it. Then drive two hours to get to the job site work ten hours then the two hour drive home. Try that for thirty days straight then you might understand what tired is all about.
Just an fyi when I was in high school I had to be out of the house no later than 6:00 am to catch the bus. My sister got up every morning at 4:30 so she could do her girlie girl foo foo stuff, so don't tell me how difficult it is to get up on time because your in puberty.
Keep making excuses. You'll go far in life. :aok
Exactly my point, is there any reason for it to be this way? You guys are missing the point, and in fact proving mine. There is no reason for us to get up at 6:00, 5:00, or even 4:00 in the morning to go to school. I don't know about your town, but in mine, meets run as a late as 19:00, and that leaves us barely any time to do the trivial stuff like eat and sleep.
To simplify matters, answer this question-
Is there any good reason to exacerbate the sleep problems of kids going through puberty, and if so, what is it?
-Penguin
(NOTE: No "back in my day I went to school butt naked in the snow uphill both ways stories", and do not pretend to have been a saint, if you still do, go see the Pope)
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I've never said I was a saint, I've been late and tired before. But it was my fault, not someone elses. If having a meet that late is too hard then your taking on too much you can't handle. Know your limits, and you'll be better for it! Like I said, I've made those mistakes which is why I know the answer on how to deal with it.
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Just blame me Messy.
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I've never said I was a saint, I've been late and tired before. But it was my fault, not someone elses. If having a meet that late is too hard then your taking on too much you can't handle. Know your limits, and you'll be better for it! Like I said, I've made those mistakes which is why I know the answer on how to deal with it.
:rofl This is getting funnier. So now we are going to blame kids for trying too hard or being involved in too many things? Yeah, lets punish them for that too. You are right. What he should do is sit on his arse and smoke some weed all day long. He will never be late again :aok
Here is an example for the clueless. Our math teacher in college used to give us minimum 50 problems for homework. That on top of the computer science classes and all the useless electives that we must take so the school can get paid. You bet I was tired and late a lot. I am just glad I did not have to get run over by a bus so I would start behaving since I was committing the crime of trying instead of sleeping :rofl
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:rofl This is getting funnier. So now we are going to blame kids for trying too hard or being involved in too many things? Yeah, lets punish them for that too. You are right. What he should do is sit on his arse and smoke some weed all day long. He will never be late again :aok
Here is an example for the clueless. Our math teacher in college used to give us minimum 50 problems for homework. That on top of the computer science classes and all the useless electives that we must take so the school can get paid. You bet I was tired and late a lot. I am just glad I did not have to get run over by a bus so I would start behaving since I was committing the crime of trying instead of sleeping :rofl
Wow, I better be more careful when posting I guess. I don't know what I told penguin that's getting you so upset but that's no reason to come after me. What did I say that was so wrong? Was it maybe taking responsibilty or something? Where did I say he might as well smoke weed or something? What I was responding to had nothing to do with the OP, so maybe I shouldn't have added to going off on a tangent but really, come on, is your reactions necessary? So what your saying is that it is the schools fault for him being tired.
If he is having trouble juggling extra activities, then yes he needs to slow down and focus on what he's there for. Does it suck? Yes it does. But you are putting words and ideas out there that have nothing to do with what I said. Calm down a little bit and re-read what I said and maybe you'll see it in the way I intended.
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Baloney- try going without sleep for a while, your body will shut down
Baloney- Right, right, I bet you slept like a baby during puberty.
Why on earth should every single student in the school suffer? It makes no sense, if not one student muster the 'discipline', then the demands placed are unreasonable. A better example- imagine getting up at 4:00 AM for work, one would barely be conscious. We teens face the same problem, and there is no good reason to have the system this way. Our sleep patterns can and will change once we finish puberty, but not a moment sooner.
I'd like to be able to conform to the demands of the system, but its requirements are superhuman. I can't dream of dissecting iguanas tied around my neck while waking up in the middle of the night!
-Penguin
i run transportation at mcguire(for cap) during the airshows there.
the first year i did it, i got there at 9pm thursday night. from then till i came home at 10pm sunday night i had 8 hours of sleep total. i was still up at 430am getting things going. one of those days i was up earlier, getting a cessna ready, as we had to launch an SAR.
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It's ok.
Nevermind.
Screw self-discipline.
We shall from this point forward ignore all the trappings of civilization and humanity and shall henceforth proceed to let our instinctual, animal side govern our daily lives.
The kid was never in danger. The bus did not stop because he was not there. The kids was pissed that he got left behind and, as kids are wont to do, exaggerated to facts.
The bus driver was not disciplining anyone. He was only doing his job, which was driving his daily route, on-time.
Feel free to sleep, eat, fornicate and relieve yourselves where and whenever the mood strikes you.
Self-discipline is overrated and archaic.
Please forgive me for ever suggesting such a thing.
That is all.
Carry on.
:salute
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if we went back to the op..the kid missed the bus.
in my case, i was 2 miles from the school. i'd have been made to walk. lemme rephrase that....since i was late a LOT, i WAS made to walk.
if i had a kid, he'd be going to the same school i did....thus, would suffer the same fate as i did should he miss the bus. i'd also limit his electronics for a bit(i never had anything more than a tv and a record player when i was a kid)
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It's ok.
Nevermind.
Screw self-discipline.
We shall from this point forward ignore all the trappings of civilization and humanity and shall henceforth proceed to let our instinctual, animal side govern our daily lives.
The kid was never in danger. The bus did not stop because he was not there. The kids was pissed that he got left behind and, as kids are wont to do, exaggerated to facts.
The bus driver was not disciplining anyone. He was only doing his job, which was driving his daily route, on-time.
Feel free to sleep, eat, fornicate and relieve yourselves where and whenever the mood strikes you.
Self-discipline is overrated and archaic.
Please forgive me for ever suggesting such a thing.
That is all.
Carry on.
:salute
You seem to have a lack of knowledge of the grey area between Spartan living and anarchy. Not getting up at 6:20 does not result in an overthrow of western civilization. Honestly, sir, you seem to be the uncivilized one with your fits of hysteria.
-Penguin
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Wow, I better be more careful when posting I guess. I don't know what I told penguin that's getting you so upset but that's no reason to come after me. What did I say that was so wrong? Was it maybe taking responsibilty or something? Where did I say he might as well smoke weed or something? What I was responding to had nothing to do with the OP, so maybe I shouldn't have added to going off on a tangent but really, come on, is your reactions necessary? So what your saying is that it is the schools fault for him being tired.
If he is having trouble juggling extra activities, then yes he needs to slow down and focus on what he's there for. Does it suck? Yes it does. But you are putting words and ideas out there that have nothing to do with what I said. Calm down a little bit and re-read what I said and maybe you'll see it in the way I intended.
Heh, and I offered a way for the kid not to be tired in the morning since it seems to be such an important matter to all of us here. Weed is better than a fat guy running you over with his bus :lol
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if we went back to the op..the kid missed the bus.
in my case, i was 2 miles from the school. i'd have been made to walk. lemme rephrase that....since i was late a LOT, i WAS made to walk.
if i had a kid, he'd be going to the same school i did....thus, would suffer the same fate as i did should he miss the bus. i'd also limit his electronics for a bit(i never had anything more than a tv and a record player when i was a kid)
Yep. You as a parent would have decided what the consequences should be. :aok
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It's ok.
Nevermind.
Screw self-discipline.
We shall from this point forward ignore all the trappings of civilization and humanity and shall henceforth proceed to let our instinctual, animal side govern our daily lives.
The kid was never in danger. The bus did not stop because he was not there. The kids was pissed that he got left behind and, as kids are wont to do, exaggerated to facts.
The bus driver was not disciplining anyone. He was only doing his job, which was driving his daily route, on-time.
Feel free to sleep, eat, fornicate and relieve yourselves where and whenever the mood strikes you.
Self-discipline is overrated and archaic.
Please forgive me for ever suggesting such a thing.
That is all.
Carry on.
:salute
I forgot. You were there and saw what happened. Thank you for clearing this up for us.
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Yep. You as a parent would have decided what the consequences should be. :aok
exactly. this day and age i'm pretty sure though, that some other parent would decide to stick their nose in my business.........
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exactly. this day and age i'm pretty sure though, that some other parent would decide to stick their nose in my business.........
I am marking the date and time. We agree :rofl
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:rofl This is getting funnier. So now we are going to blame kids for trying too hard or being involved in too many things? Yeah, lets punish them for that too. You are right. What he should do is sit on his arse and smoke some weed all day long. He will never be late again :aok
Here is an example for the clueless. Our math teacher in college used to give us minimum 50 problems for homework. That on top of the computer science classes and all the useless electives that we must take so the school can get paid. You bet I was tired and late a lot. I am just glad I did not have to get run over by a bus so I would start behaving since I was committing the crime of trying instead of sleeping :rofl
:rofl this is getting funnier. No one suggested that "What he should do is sit on his arse and smoke some weed all day long." Only that if he is so tired that it results in him hallucinating then he should probably modify his schedule so he can get more sleep.
I never said that I've never been late. When I was late though it was usually nobody's fault, but my own.
I know about being tired I've worked long hard hours, gone to school etc. At times I worked a full time job as well as carried a full load in college. You do what you have to do depending on how bad you want it.
Again it's about discipline.
Exactly my point, is there any reason for it to be this way? You guys are missing the point, and in fact proving mine. There is no reason for us to get up at 6:00, 5:00, or even 4:00 in the morning to go to school. I don't know about your town, but in mine, meets run as a late as 19:00, and that leaves us barely any time to do the trivial stuff like eat and sleep.
To simplify matters, answer this question-
Is there any good reason to exacerbate the sleep problems of kids going through puberty, and if so, what is it?
-Penguin
(NOTE: No "back in my day I went to school butt naked in the snow uphill both ways stories", and do not pretend to have been a saint, if you still do, go see the Pope)
See he's just fishing for an excuse, any excuse so that he doesn't have to try so hard.
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You seem to have a lack of knowledge of the grey area between Spartan living and anarchy. Not getting up at 6:20 does not result in an overthrow of western civilization. Honestly, sir, you seem to be the uncivilized one with your fits of hysteria.
-Penguin
I apologize if my wry humor does not translate well into written text.
Hysteria would hardly be the way to describe it.
Disgust in the apathetic path that most of the world seems to be travelling would be more like it. The situation I provided is a prime example.
Lets blame everyone else for our failures. Perish the thought of taking responsibility for our own actions or, dare I say it, learnfrom our mistakes.
Baloney- try going without sleep for a while, your body will shut down
I have. Uncle Sam called it Ranger school. I don't recall my body ever shutting down, but I was extremely tired and awfully hungry for a while. I think everyone in the class got a stick in the eye at some point while sleep marching, but none of us died
Baloney- Right, right, I bet you slept like a baby during puberty.
Nobody does, in my experience. Changing the time frame in which you attend school isn't going to change this fact
Why on earth should every single student in the school suffer? It makes no sense, if not one student muster the 'discipline', then the demands placed are unreasonable. A better example- imagine getting up at 4:00 AM for work, one would barely be conscious. We teens face the same problem, and there is no good reason to have the system this way. Our sleep patterns can and will change once we finish puberty, but not a moment sooner.
I wake at 4-4:30 every morning and I wholly conscious and functioning. I cannot imagine that I am the only one in the world. Your sleep pattern can and will change but it has no bearing on puberty. Puberty may affect the amount of hours that you need to sleep to feel refreshed but the pattern of when you retire for the evening and rise in the morning can be changed and established at anytime, as soon as you make a conscious effort and discipline yourself to change them.
I'd like to be able to conform to the demands of the system, but its requirements are superhuman. I can't dream of dissecting iguanas tied around my neck while waking up in the middle of the night!
Rather than ever entertaining the notion that something as amazing as the human body could adapt to a newcircadian rhythm, you play the "its puberty and I can't change it" card. Your iguana dreams are no more a product of your so-called sleep deprivation than are your wet dreams.
-Penguin
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I am marking the date and time. We agree :rofl
$%%##$%$% :bhead :cry :mad:
THIS CANNOT BE!!!!!!!!
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I forgot. You were there and saw what happened. Thank you for clearing this up for us.
Nope.
I just spoke to the mother this morning and he (the kid) admitted that he (again, as kids are wont to do), stretched the facts so that it didn't look like he was dragging his bellybutton again and missed the bus. He was ,as was the mother (not surprising where he got the notion from), trying to deflect his failure to be punctual onto someone else, rather than own up to his own mistakes.
All cleared up. No need to thank me, just throw money.
:salute
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$%%##$%$% :bhead :cry :mad:
THIS CANNOT BE!!!!!!!!
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So, whose fault is it that we agreed? I blame our parents :furious
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Baloney- try going without sleep for a while, your body will shut down
Having a family member that survived Ranger Indoctrination and Ranger School, he'd tell you the amount of time before you "shut down" from lack of sleep is somewhere between 60 to 72 hours awake.... according to hius experiences, once you made it past about 24 hours awake, staying awake and alert was somewhat easy.... you just start to go "crazy" at about 72 hours, hallucinate, etc.
Get up at 4am for work? Pfffft. Alarm goes off here at 4:00 am every weekday morning. Cry me a river. :lol
Bottom line is we're talking about an issue here that is 100% a matter of discipline and personal responsibility, nothing more, nothing less.
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So, whose fault is it that we agreed? I blame our parents :furious
i hafta blame my grand parents.
never knew my dad....and mom never re-married. she had two jobs for most of her life to support my brother and i. that's something else it seems is changing....single parents expect the state(us) to help them raise their kids.
mom worked 2 jobs, and our grand parents raised us.
it was funny. in high school, at a parent/teacher meeting. it happened to be moms night off...so she came. till then, it had only been my grandmom that came......they called home to see where mom was, because they thought my mom was my older sister. :rofl and yes....she was very young looking.
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Nope.
I just spoke to the mother this morning and he (the kid) admitted that he (again, as kids are wont to do), stretched the facts so that it didn't look like he was dragging his bellybutton again and missed the bus. He was ,as was the mother (not surprising where he got the notion from), trying to deflect his failure to be punctual onto someone else, rather than own up to his own mistakes.
All cleared up. No need to thank me, just throw money.
:salute
*grabs two hands full of pennies and takes aim :devil
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*grabs two hands full of pennies and takes aim :devil
use a sling shot........ :devil
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Behavioral issues have nothing to do with this kid not making the bus. IF someone was to snatch a knot in his arse as my grand father says then there would not be any issues.
As for me...electronics for the kids only on the weekends and then only a couple of hours each day. They have to work out the timing and they have to do it nicely. If they fuss then its mine all weekend and for the next three weekends. It has only happened once that they fought over the device.
Also grades don't get paid for they are expected and as I remind them each week; they are a reflection upon the family. Not just their immediate family but all members of it and as such they are to hold themselves to a standard of "Don't embarrass the family"; anything less is their responsibility and they need to be accountable for what happens. I was taught this from about 7 years old and I started with my 7 year old son last year on his birthday. My 14 year old knows what is expected and knew it about 30 days after turning 7.
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Two things that are missing from this thread that were "bread n butter" back when I was in high school:
A) Do kids not sleep on the bus anymore? I understand you might get messed with, but that's how you establish yourself in the food chain, nobody will mess with ya while ya sleep on the bus if ya wake up a few times swinging and asking questions later.
B) First-period gym/PE was coveted gold! You could sleep in later, not have to really worry about getting dressed for school, get out of the house later (or sleep more). Then after PE you hit the showers and take your usual morning shower (our teachers/coaches/athletic-directors even gave 1st period an extra 5-10 in the showers for those getting ready for their day), bust out a clean pair of jeans and a T-shirt you stashed in your pack the night before, and I was ready to sleep through, err attend 2nd-period and the rest of my classes. Usually got an extra hour of sleep in my mornings, a good workout, and smelling like flowers before the start of my 2nd class.
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Two things that are missing from this thread that were "bread n butter" back when I was in high school:
A) Do kids not sleep on the bus anymore? I understand you might get messed with, but that's how you establish yourself in the food chain, nobody will mess with ya while ya sleep on the bus if ya wake up a few times swinging and asking questions later.
B) First-period gym/PE was coveted gold! You could sleep in later, not have to really worry about getting dressed for school, get out of the house later (or sleep more). Then after PE you hit the showers and take your usual morning shower (our teachers/coaches/athletic-directors even gave 1st period an extra 5-10 in the showers for those getting ready for their day), bust out a clean pair of jeans and a T-shirt you stashed in your pack the night before, and I was ready to sleep through, err attend 2nd-period and the rest of my classes. Usually got an extra hour of sleep in my mornings, a good workout, and smelling like flowers before the start of my 2nd class.
The bus arrives at 6:30, and the ride is only five minutes long. Fighting results in instant suspension, three or more fights result in either reform school or expulsion.
No, PE is only required for one semester, and not arriving promptly at or before 7:20 will be dealt with harshly. The showers are fetid and foul- and there only 4 for a population of over 1,100 students.
As for being rational, I know, just as you all do, that not taking a full load each and every semester will result in colleges overlooking your application. Not getting A's in your Honors and AP courses? Instabanned. No sport with that report card? Permabanned. Thus I am stuck with 4 Honors courses this year (bloody English homework cost me the fifth), and 4 Honors and 1 AP course next year (there's only one for sophmores).
I wish I didn't need sleep, but the school has failed to evolve beyond the decade in which it was born. Classes finish at 14:20, and that extra hour in the afternoon is trivial in value, compared to an hour more sleep in the morning.
-Penguin