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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: fudgums on June 20, 2011, 01:12:33 PM
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Died in a car accident last night, he was in movie love muffin, also on MTv(love muffin, viva la bam).
RIP Ryan :pray
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This was all done for footage of friends' and families' reactions to hearing the news of Dunn's death, for the next "love muffin" feature. Dunn was quoted as saying, "I'm not sorry for making everyone think I was dead, I actually thought it was pretty funny.
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This was all done for footage of friends' and families' reactions to hearing the news of Dunn's death, for the next "love muffin" feature. Dunn was quoted as saying, "I'm not sorry for making everyone think I was dead, I actually thought it was pretty funny.
are you joking? Parents came out and said this is real, even april margera came out and said it.
Bad joke if your right.
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Well with no real pic's of the crash, I don't think it's real, Was not even on the new's were i live.
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Have no idea who he is.
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Have no idea who he is.
google love muffin the movie, then you will know.
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This was all done for footage of friends' and families' reactions to hearing the news of Dunn's death, for the next "love muffin" feature. Dunn was quoted as saying, "I'm not sorry for making everyone think I was dead, I actually thought it was pretty funny.
If this is true, what a potato peeler.
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This was all done for footage of friends' and families' reactions to hearing the news of Dunn's death, for the next "love muffin" feature. Dunn was quoted as saying, "I'm not sorry for making everyone think I was dead, I actually thought it was pretty funny.
do you mind posting your source?
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http://www.tmz.com/2011/06/20/jacka$s-ryan-dunn-dies-dead-car-crash-accident-pennsylvania/
:edit LOL it wont allow the link because it says "jackas$" in it. just replace the $ with an S and there is a pic of the car
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do you mind posting your source?
No can do, It's other forum.
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His new movie is about someone who dies, and then comes back to play tricks on people.
if its fake, the guy is an ultra melon. If its real, its pretty ironic.
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Yeah he really did pass. There was a rumor a while back that he died but wasn't true.
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Its real. Heres a picture of whats left......
(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/253976_132009186878256_131935160218992_244184_6004486_n.jpg)
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RIP, always thought he was the funniest out of all of 'em.
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I don't think its fake, the Margera radio show tonight is running memorial tonight. There's pictures of him drinking about 3 hours earlier. After all the stunts he did, drunk driving did him in. everytime I think of the toy car in the condom skit, I lmao.
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I saw the headline on Yahoo news about a "star" from the jackas$ movies had died. If that was the pinacle of his career achievements I won't miss him. I especially don't have any sympathy if he took himself out driving drunk or high. It's a shame he had to take someone else with him while gaining his darwin award.
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I saw the headline on Yahoo news about a "star" from the jackas$ movies had died. If that was the pinacle of his career achievements I won't miss him. I especially don't have any sympathy if he took himself out driving drunk or high. It's a shame he had to take someone else with him while gaining his darwin award.
That's just how I feel about the whole mess. :aok
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No sympathy here, happy he only murdered someone that decided to be with him in the car, rather than some innocent bystander/driver. :( probably going to be mourned like a hero by the MTV crowd.
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No sympathy here, happy he only murdered someone that decided to be with him in the car, rather than some innocent bystander/driver. :( probably going to be mourned like a hero by the MTV crowd.
140 mph+ driving a Porsche GT3 drunk... Jack-ass is a fair sobriquet.
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http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/06/steve-o-too-distraught-talk-about-ryan-dunn-s-death
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Where I am from you don't speak poorly of the dead.
He was someones friend and son.
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Where I am from you don't speak poorly of the dead.
He was someones friend and son.
+1, took the words out of my mouth.
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Where I am from you don't speak poorly of the dead.
He was someones friend and son.
+2 Everyone has their own faults...
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+2 Everyone has their own faults...
+1.
some just have more faults then others...
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His body was burned to the point of them having to identify him by some tatoos.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/20/article-2005872-0CA7150B00000578-321_634x517.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/20/article-2005872-0CA6FFA200000578-132_634x518.jpg)
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I have no idea who this guy was, or anything about him but..
Where I am from you don't speak poorly of the dead.
I've always found this notion to be completely ridiculous, if someone was a jerk, their dying doesn't change that fact. Does this saintly notion apply to Hitler, Stalin and Mao? They are all dead. Hitler, Stalin and Mao where evil monsters... see I just did it. (speak poorly of the dead that is.) This idea implies that it's alright to say anything you want about them when they're alive, but as soon as they die, every fallacy and sin they had must be forgotten.
If someone asks, I'll speak my mind, I don't care whether the person I speak of is dead or alive. From what I've just learned about this Dunn guy -that he starred in a show call jacka--, and drove drunk- I don't think very highly of his character, his being dead does nothing to change his character, his character and integrity are defined by what he did while living. He doesn't get a clean slate just because he is dead. Why should he, maybe his friends and family can learn from his mistakes and flaws now, and perhaps his death will save them from doing something equally stupid.
Of course all his relatives and friends will sugar-coat things at his memorial/funeral, they have to, it helps them to cope, focusing on the good, and overlooking the bad for a little while, and that's fine as long as it's only for a little while, we all do it when someone close dies. But it doesn't mean the rest of us have to put blinders on just because they are dead.
We all have fallacies, foibles and problems in our life and our character, whitewashing all that away when we die is a disservice to us and those close to us. I want to be remembered for all that I am, and all that I did, not just the good parts. I also want to be forgiven for all those things, but forgiveness does not equal forgetting. I want my failings an mistakes to be remembered too, so that perhaps others may learn from them.
*BTW the novel Speaker for the Dead by Orson Scott Card is a great philosophical read that deals with very subject.*
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Where I am from you don't speak poorly of the dead.
He was someones friend and son.
Would you still feel the same if he would have lost control of his car way way over the speed limit while drunk AND plow right into your wife and kid's car driving back from soccer practice? Murderers are someone's friend and son indeed, they have no regards for the lives they take, why do you have regards for his? Because he's a goofy guy who made you laugh on tv?
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I have no idea who this guy was, or anything about him but..
I've always found this notion to be completely ridiculous, if someone was a jerk, their dying doesn't change that fact. Does this saintly notion apply to Hitler, Stalin and Mao? They are all dead. Hitler, Stalin and Mao where evil monsters... see I just did it. (speak poorly of the dead that is.) This idea implies that it's alright to say anything you want about them when as long as there alive, but as soon as they die, every fallacy and sin they had must be forgotten.
If someone asks, I'll speak my mind, I don't care whether the person I speak of is dead or alive. From what I've just learned about this Dunn guy -that he starred in a show call jacka--, and drove drunk- I don't think very highly of his character, his being dead does nothing to change his character, his character and integrity are defined by what he did while living. He doesn't get a clean slate just because he is dead. Why should he, maybe his friends and family can learn from his mistakes and flaws now, and perhaps his death will save them from doing something equally stupid.
Of course all his relatives and friends will sugar-coat things at his memorial/funeral, they have to, it helps them to cope, focusing on the good, and overlooking the bad for a little while, and that's fine as long as it's only for a little while, we all do it when someone close dies. But it doesn't mean the rest of us have to put blinders on just because they are dead.
We all have fallacies, foibles and problems in our life and our character, whitewashing all that away when we die is a disservice to us and those close to us. I want to be remembered for all that I am, and all that I did, not just the good parts. I also want to be forgiven for all those things, but forgiveness does not equal forgetting. I want my failings an mistakes to be remembered too, so that perhaps others may learn from them.
*BTW the novel Speaker for the Dead by Orson Scott Card is a great philosophical read that deals with very subject.*
Well thats great no one said anything about how great the guy was. There is no point in saying it was not smart to drink and drive and speed its obvious. The dude paid the ultimate price for a bad choice. Its a matter of respect.
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Would you still feel the same if he would have lost control of his car way way over the speed limit while drunk AND plow right into your wife and kid's car driving back from soccer practice? Murderers are someone's friend and son indeed, they have no regards for the lives they take, why do you have regards for his? Because he's a goofy guy who made you laugh on tv?
Yeah and nothing is gained by trashing someone who is dead. If anything it makes the person doing the trashing look bad.
Now a question for you. What if you came here and said one of your kids died of an overdose and someone responded well good riddancedruggies are the scum of the earth.
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Karma is a MOFO...
What comes around goes around.
Coogan
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Kilo, spot on!
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Looking at that picture there are two cars invovled in the accident.
How do we know he was drunk? They said his body was burned so badly it was identified by tattoos.
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the drunk part i could believe... He always seemed drunk on Jackprettythang or Viva la Bam.
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Looking at that picture there are two cars invovled in the accident.
How do we know he was drunk? They said his body was burned so badly it was identified by tattoos.
They dont know for sure they only know he was speeding by the brake marks and the fact he plowed through 40 feet of trees.
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Thought they also said they weren't sure who was driving, couldve been my source, but thought the accident was so bad that they couldve identify who was driving
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Yeah and nothing is gained by trashing someone who is dead.
That's where you're wrong. I'm not talking about "trashing someone" I'm just talking about being truthful about who they really were. Why do we learn about all the bad things Hitler, or Stalin did in school, if nothing is to be gained by it? Why not just say, "Oh, they're dead now, nothing can be gained by talking about it."
I know that's an extreme example, but it holds true on a smaller scale too. I don't know if this guy had kids, but I'd hope if he does that people are brave enough to tell those kids about their fathers failings, so that they could learn from it. Not tell them that he was a horrible person just to be mean, but tell those kids the truth, and don't sugar-coat it; that he did make some terrible choices, and did some horrible things, and paid the consequences.
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Tell you what, if my daughter goes drinking AND speeding AND kills someone, you can call her what you want ... Il be shaking my head and say 'yep'. If she ever becomes a junkie, I ll be asking myself where did I screwed up, call her scum of the earth and I'll shake my head and say 'yep'.
Common have we become so lame as a generation that no one takes/gives blame?
I still call a cat a cat. I'd never wished for that guy to die, but I'm sure happy that he killed only one person when he did ... Murder by negligeance I suppose.
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That's where you're wrong. I'm not talking about "trashing someone" I'm just talking about being truthful about who they really were. Why do we learn about all the bad things Hitler, or Stalin did in school, if nothing is to be gained by it? Why not just say, "Oh, they're dead now, nothing can be gained by talking about it."
I know that's an extreme example, but it holds true on a smaller scale too. I don't know if this guy had kids, but I'd hope if he does that people are brave enough to tell those kids about their fathers failings, so that they could learn from it. Not tell them that he was a horrible person just to be mean, but tell those kids the truth, and don't sugar-coat it; that he did make some terrible choices, and did some horrible things, and paid the consequences.
We learn about hitler and stalin in an objective way (or should be objective) where we take emotion out of it as much as possible. Like I said the mistake or bad choice is obvious and really requires no further comment.
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We learn about hitler and stalin in an objective way (or should be objective) where we take emotion out of it as much as possible. Like I said the mistake or bad choice is obvious and really requires no further comment.
but they fail to show us his military genious. its saddening, you do one thing wrong and the whole world over looks your good...
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Tell you what, if my daughter goes drinking AND speeding AND kills someone, you can call her what you want ... Il be shaking my head and say 'yep'. If she ever becomes a junkie, I ll be asking myself where did I screwed up, call her scum of the earth and I'll shake my head and say 'yep'.
Common have we become so lame as a generation that no one takes/gives blame?
I still call a cat a cat. I'd never wished for that guy to die, but I'm sure happy that he killed only one person when he did ... Murder by negligeance I suppose.
I had a feeling you would respond like that but if that ever happend, god forbid, I doubt you would be so cavalier. It has nothing to do with blame, Blame has been dealt death is blame enough IMO.
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Looking at that picture there are two cars invovled in the accident.
How do we know he was drunk? They said his body was burned so badly it was identified by tattoos.
It's an assumption, but a pretty safe one. He posted a picture of himself and two other guys drinking in a bar earlier in the night, and then crashed right after bar time.
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I had a feeling you would respond like that but if that ever happend, god forbid, I doubt you would be so cavalier. It has nothing to do with blame, Blame has been dealt death is blame enough IMO.
I wished you could ask my wife, or my daughter :cheers: I ve done it before to family members and friends.
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but they fail to show us his military genious. its saddening, you do one thing wrong and the whole world over looks your good...
You are right, like Osama was a genius with his 9 11 strike. I always catch hell for saying that.
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You are right, like Osama was a genius with his 9 11 strike. I always catch hell for saying that.
havent heard that, or thought about it. explain?
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Some people commenting on here are CLEARLY over-compensating for a lack of humanity...don't judge him only on his love muffin career, he also did a lot of charity work and was a very respectable person.
RIP Ryan, you will be missed! :salute
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Looking at the skid marks, it seems that there were actually 3 vehicles involved. The Porche was in a skid with the nose pointing slightly left (understeer) trying to correct. The other two were behind, one in front of the other. After the Porche went into the woods it looks as if the other two cars that had been following slammed on the brakes and maintained control. I'm guessing some form of street race.
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havent heard that, or thought about it. explain?
He immobilized a whole country, killed 3000 persons, inspired a decade of fear and changed the lifestyle of 311,600,000 American Citizens, induced trillions of economical strain due to war effort
... With only a dozen of guys and the cost of a dozen of plane tickets. ... If that ain't genius. :(
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(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/20/article-2005872-0CA7150B00000578-321_634x517.jpg)
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Look at the other braking marks next to the scene - I bet he was racing someone. If the car in front made an emergency stop, Dunn might have floored the brake, lost control and hit the ditch.
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We've worked Hitler,Stalin, and Bin Ladin in to a fatal car crash thread.
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Just sad. :pray
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This happened a half hour from where I live. Weren't Ryan Dunn and Steve-O just on minute to win it? lol
Sad to hear he died. :pray
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R.I.P Ryan Dunn, my favorite jack arse character :pray
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If you didn't like him, at least have the respect to say 'I didn't like him, but may he rest in piece'
instead of coming here and saying 'that guy was a D-bag, F him'.
Those of you who have argued here, go drive yourself (and your family) off a cliff.
As for the man and passenger who have both lost their lives, rest in piece, you will be missed.
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Wow..
I don't think I've ever seen so many people stick up for a drunk driver before.
Let me ask this; If he wasn't some B-list celebrity who made you chuckle with some vulgar humor on cable TV, would you all still be sticking up for and eulogizing him?
Let's be honest here, drunk drivers (especially ones who speed too) are usually universally despised, why does this guy get a pass? Because he's dead? Because he's famous (sorta)? Because you like his show?
What he did was stupid, dangerous, and put dozens of other lives at risk. I'd rather he was suffering some nice mental torment and anguish wherever his soul is now, then "resting in peace." I don't think he deserves to rest in peace just yet, not till he's had a least a taste of suffering. But that's not up to me.
Sure I feel bad for his family and friends who are mourning. But that doesn't lessen the wrongfulness of what he did.
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Looking at the skid marks, it seems that there were actually 3 vehicles involved. The Porche was in a skid with the nose pointing slightly left (understeer) trying to correct. The other two were behind, one in front of the other. After the Porche went into the woods it looks as if the other two cars that had been following slammed on the brakes and maintained control. I'm guessing some form of street race.
The 2 other set of skid marks you see are from a semi locking his brakes up.
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RIP ryan dunn, always good to watch jackash n bam margera show. to all who chest thump saying this n that. karma gets you.
I have lost a brother to drunk driving. why bring chest thumping to this thread!? and to bring in those losers who was wannabe leaders.
condolences to the family and friends in this hard time.
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Most everyone has never met Ryan Dunn, am I sticking up for drunk driver...no. But a RIP is too much? Some people actually liked his work and what he did for a living, but I guess its too much to say RIP. Comparing Ryan Dunn to Hitler and Stalin is pretty sick and horrible analogy. The guy died, he died drunk driving, but he still died. I'm sure all of you have done something stupid and reckless in your life to put others at risk, but who knows, all of you are perfect little angles as well. :rolleyes:
Sorry for bringing the news here to your perfect safe haven, for supposedly announcing the death of a modern day hitler/stalin. :lol
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He may have been a love muffin but there is no reason to celebrate his death. We all make mistakes in life and most of us have dead friends who went out with a big mistake.
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I don't think that anyone is celebrating his death, and that would be uncalled for.
But you guys are freaking me out! :bolt:
I don't care if he was Mother Theresa ... He killed someone ... Granted he didn't plan on it ... but flying off the road at 140+ with alcohol in your blood is NOT an accident.
Keith Ledger dies from overdose ... sad
Ryan's passenger dies from crash ... sad
Ryan killing someone ... not sad (could even have killed more)
James Dean killing himself speeding in his 550 ... not sad (could have killed more)
Marilyn Monroe dies from pills ... sad
Does that really makes sense to only me? :eek:
I don't drink and drive, not even after 1 glass of wine. So is my wife. Did I ever drive with alcohol in my blood? Never. Talking to people here in the US, I feel like the only one that never did drugs, not even smoke marijuana once. Did I ever drove 100+ on a public road, yes haven't done it for the last 15 years, not planing on doing it.
Might be a surprise to most, but some of us actually walk the talk and walk the line. There's no such thing as I'm not a theft, I only took an orange. Doesn't mean none of us were always angels, but we decided to take responsibility for our actions at some point.
again just to make sure ...he killed someone... :frown:
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This happened a half hour from where I live. Weren't Ryan Dunn and Steve-O just on minute to win it? lol
Sad to hear he died. :pray
Same.The 2 other set of skid marks you see are from a semi locking his brakes up.
You beat me to it...
I don't think that anyone is celebrating his death, and that would be uncalled for.
But you guys are freaking me out! :bolt:
I don't care if he was Mother Theresa ... He killed someone ... Granted he didn't plan on it ... but flying off the road at 140+ with alcohol in your blood is NOT an accident.
Keith Ledger dies from overdose ... sad
Ryan's passenger dies from crash ... sad
Ryan killing someone ... not sad (could even have killed more)
James Dean killing himself speeding in his 550 ... not sad (could have killed more)
Marilyn Monroe dies from pills ... sad
Does that really makes sense to only me? :eek:
I don't drink and drive, not even after 1 glass of wine. So is my wife. Did I ever drive with alcohol in my blood? Never. Talking to people here in the US, I feel like the only one that never did drugs, not even smoke marijuana once. Did I ever drove 100+ on a public road, yes haven't done it for the last 15 years, not planing on doing it.
Might be a surprise to most, but some of us actually walk the talk and walk the line. There's no such thing as I'm not a theft, I only took an orange. Doesn't mean none of us were always angels, but we decided to take responsibility for our actions at some point.
again just to make sure ...he killed someone... :frown:
There is no mention of alcohol in the police report (yet). If you have ever had the experience, 140mph is fast enough to make the dashed lines on the highway into a solid line. It is also fast enough that it is plenty dangerous without having been drinking as the reaction time needed to avoid or correct for mistakes is 5x that of 55 mph.
Even if it turns out that he WAS intoxicated, his passenger made a conscious decision to get in the vehicle with him.
This does not mean that I condone driving while intoxicated, it is stupid, dangerous, reckless (among other adjectives I cannot use on this forum).
If he would have killed someone else (not in the vehicle with him), then one could cry foul. We're talking about grown men, here. If one decided to get into the vehicle, secure in the knowledge that the one about to drive was piss drunk, at that very moment he gave up all rights and expectations of safety.
If one is stupid enough to:
1) Not try to stop an intoxicated person from driving
2) Actually get into the vehicle with a driver that is intoxicated
one gives up the right to blame the driver for any injuries/death that could occur.
You can't fix stupid...
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Wow..
I don't think I've ever seen so many people stick up for a drunk driver before.
Let me ask this; If he wasn't some B-list celebrity who made you chuckle with some vulgar humor on cable TV, would you all still be sticking up for and eulogizing him?
Let's be honest here, drunk drivers (especially ones who speed too) are usually universally despised, why does this guy get a pass? Because he's dead? Because he's famous (sorta)? Because you like his show?
What he did was stupid, dangerous, and put dozens of other lives at risk. I'd rather he was suffering some nice mental torment and anguish wherever his soul is now, then "resting in peace." I don't think he deserves to rest in peace just yet, not till he's had a least a taste of suffering. But that's not up to me.
Sure I feel bad for his family and friends who are mourning. But that doesn't lessen the wrongfulness of what he did.
He's dead; he died a horrible death filled with anguish and torment. First he slammed through trees, then burned alive in a twisted heap of metal. Are you so inclined as to believe that in doing so he did not suffer enough, that he ought to be put through even greater pain? What vile, horrible thing could you do to him that would be more painful? Furthermore, where does it all end? At a certain point, it's time to let go. He can't feel pain now, and he can't hurt anyone else.
The quote "Speak not poorly of the dead" is often misinterpreted. It does not mean to ignore a dead person's faults, nor to exalt them. It means to let go of any grudges that you've held against them, and to be at peace with their memory because upon their death, they have paid the ultimate price for their actions. Your greed for their pain and hatred of their life is now pointless- they are dead, and cannot feel your wrath.
-Penguin
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All this talk of alcohol and still no proof of his BAC? How about wait til the autopsy before you go and judge someone. The picture of him with one drink in his hand doesn't mean he was drunk.
He's dead; he died a horrible death filled with anguish and torment. First he slammed through trees, then burned alive in a twisted heap of metal. Are you so inclined as to believe that in doing so he did not suffer enough, that he ought to be put through even greater pain? What vile, horrible thing could you do to him that would be more painful? Furthermore, where does it all end? At a certain point, it's time to let go. He can't feel pain now, and he can't hurt anyone else.
The quote "Speak not poorly of the dead" is often misinterpreted. It does not mean to ignore a dead person's faults, nor to exalt them. It means to let go of any grudges that you've held against them, and to be at peace with their memory because upon their death, they have paid the ultimate price for their actions. Your greed for their pain and hatred of their life is now pointless- they are dead, and cannot feel your wrath.
-Penguin
I actually have to agree with you on this. :cheers:
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The bottom line is, some people believe in clemency and some people don't.
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The bottom line is, some people believe in clemency and some people don't.
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Berating someone that is dead, regardless of who they may be, is only posturing for those around you.
They are dead, I'm pretty sure that they can't hear you.
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remember, you can judge someone all you want, but only one person has the right too judge someone. And we will all come too the moment when we are judged.
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Reading this thread made me go back and count the number of friends I've had that have been killed drinking & driving. 6 so far....a couple of which also took another life with them. Although I don't approve of what they did and think their actions were stupid beyond belief, doesn't take away from the fact that they were all good people.
We've all made dumb mistakes. I reckon Mr. Dunn would want that night to play out different too. No one here is perfect...let us not forget that. I just hope the guys didn't suffer. Dieing in a car crash is a f---ed up way to die. The whole mess is just a damned shame no matter how you look at it.
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I have no idea who this guy was, or anything about him but..
I've always found this notion to be completely ridiculous, if someone was a jerk, their dying doesn't change that fact. Does this saintly notion apply to Hitler, Stalin and Mao? They are all dead. Hitler, Stalin and Mao where evil monsters... see I just did it. (speak poorly of the dead that is.) This idea implies that it's alright to say anything you want about them when they're alive, but as soon as they die, every fallacy and sin they had must be forgotten.
If someone asks, I'll speak my mind, I don't care whether the person I speak of is dead or alive. From what I've just learned about this Dunn guy -that he starred in a show call jacka--, and drove drunk- I don't think very highly of his character, his being dead does nothing to change his character, his character and integrity are defined by what he did while living. He doesn't get a clean slate just because he is dead. Why should he, maybe his friends and family can learn from his mistakes and flaws now, and perhaps his death will save them from doing something equally stupid.
Of course all his relatives and friends will sugar-coat things at his memorial/funeral, they have to, it helps them to cope, focusing on the good, and overlooking the bad for a little while, and that's fine as long as it's only for a little while, we all do it when someone close dies. But it doesn't mean the rest of us have to put blinders on just because they are dead.
We all have fallacies, foibles and problems in our life and our character, whitewashing all that away when we die is a disservice to us and those close to us. I want to be remembered for all that I am, and all that I did, not just the good parts. I also want to be forgiven for all those things, but forgiveness does not equal forgetting. I want my failings an mistakes to be remembered too, so that perhaps others may learn from them.
*BTW the novel Speaker for the Dead by Orson Scott Card is a great philosophical read that deals with very subject.*
The simple fact that you had the make the jump from the death of a famous individual who produced entertainment and died by stupidity to the death of Hitler and Stalin should pretty much highlight how radical and ludicrous an argument you are making. So does this mean everyone who dies due to either their own or another's act of idiocy and shortsightedness is as condemned a SOB as Hitler in your eyes? Are you letting your personal opinion about one individual's arsenine antics to produce entertainment (which he was quite successful at) seriously outweigh the fundamental morals and virtues that countless individuals wasted their effort tried bringing to you?
They're all idiots, funny entertaining idiots, and they produced entertainment as such. I am not surprised that one of them died as such, only that it took over a decade before it happened (but heck, let's not point that out, I'm sure most us mortals here have done more stupid things they're ashamed of in the past decade (that didn't kill themselves or anyone else) than things they can or are willing to show and tell us or even their own son).
May he forever rest in peace and the lord have mercy on him. He brought entertainment to millions that were smarter but not as bold. My sincerest condolences for his family and friends.
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Wow..
I don't think I've ever seen so many people stick up for a drunk driver before.
Let me ask this; If he wasn't some B-list celebrity who made you chuckle with some vulgar humor on cable TV, would you all still be sticking up for and eulogizing him?
Let's be honest here, drunk drivers (especially ones who speed too) are usually universally despised, why does this guy get a pass? Because he's dead? Because he's famous (sorta)? Because you like his show?
What he did was stupid, dangerous, and put dozens of other lives at risk. I'd rather he was suffering some nice mental torment and anguish wherever his soul is now, then "resting in peace." I don't think he deserves to rest in peace just yet, not till he's had a least a taste of suffering. But that's not up to me.
Sure I feel bad for his family and friends who are mourning. But that doesn't lessen the wrongfulness of what he did.
Oh, OK, so now it's only about a drunk driver because you say so. You're right, and a model of moral character for the entire country to follow.
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All this talk of alcohol and still no proof of his BAC? How about wait til the autopsy before you go and judge someone. The picture of him with one drink in his hand doesn't mean he was drunk.
Even if it is determined that the guy wasn't "legally" drunk, you can bet it all that Madd and others like them will add this guys death to their doctored list of "alcohol" related deaths.
Even if the driver didn't have a drop of alcohol in his system,but the passenger did?? Its an alcohol related death to be added to the statisics of dui accidents.
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Here is the tox report. There is no doubt anymore about if he was drunk. He was more than double the legal limit as well as going almost 3 times the speed limit on the road.
Nope don't feel sorry for him one darn bit. My sympathy is for his passenger. I just hope that dunn earned a true Darwin award, we don't need any more cloudiness in the gene pool.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110622/ap_on_en_tv/us_ryan_dunn
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The passenger is just as much at fault for getting into a car with an overly drunk driver. just as bad judgment there.
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Darwinism in action. The herd is culled. Praise TFSM
"And we will all come too the moment when we are judged."
Cool! My judge better be Jenna Jamison or her look-a-like
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Driving under the influence is dumb, but doing it doesn't discredit one's entire life. There are a lot of good people who make that mistake.
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his BAC was .196.....or more than twice the legal limit.
http://news-briefs.ew.com/2011/06/22/ryan-dunn-drunk-driving-death/
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Drinking and high speed :(
They say he posted pics of himself and 2 friends drinking in a bar not 2 hours before the wreck on his facebook or twitter page. CNN says the pics were since removed.
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Well thats great no one said anything about how great the guy was. There is no point in saying it was not smart to drink and drive and speed its obvious. The dude paid the ultimate price for a bad choice. Its a matter of respect.
Evidently no one saw any greatness in him. Evidently there is a point to saying don't drink and drive.... this guy for instance. This guy drove drunk so he had no respect for anyone on the road. Those who give respect get respect.
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Driving under the influence is dumb, but doing it doesn't discredit one's entire life. There are a lot of good people who make that mistake.
Not only does it bring discredit to his life, but it ended his life and another persons life as well. Sorry but just because he died does not make him or his act less stupid. That was all on him. No one held a gun to his head to make him drink, no one made him drive and no one made him drive almost 3 times the 55 MPH speed limit on a public road while drunk either. That was far more than one "mistake".
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Not only does it bring discredit to his life, but it ended his life and another persons life as well. Sorry but just because he died does not make him or his act less stupid. That was all on him. No one held a gun to his head to make him drink, no one made him drive and no one made him drive almost 3 times the 55 MPH speed limit on a public road while drunk either. That was far more than one "mistake".
It was dumb, no one argues that. I never said his act was less stupid because he died doing it. Does it bring discredit to his life, sure, but I said his "entire" life. Anything good he's ever done now means nothing because of this one thing?
This was one dumb mistake, it just had unimaginable consequences.
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Cool! My judge better be Jenna Jamison or her look-a-like
Why? You'd be judged, "comes up short." :noid
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BAC of .196, ive heard anywhere from 1-2 beers puts an average 180 pound man at the .08 limit. the .196 BAC means he only had, at most, weight and hieght aside, just over 4 beers. anyone who has seen the "Jackas$" show or Viva La Bam knows he was always drinking. im not bad mouthing him, rough childhood due to alcoholism, but do we need to say the man was p[iss drunk after ~4 beers? we all know many (if not all but one or two) that have posted in this thread have been severely more intoxicated then Ryan was at the time of his misfortune. have we driven while this drunk? probably not. have we gone 140 on a public road? highly doubtful, but ive driven at 110..scary stuff. uncle has had me to 125, even scarier. couldnt imagine 140... let alone after 4 beers.
am I sticking up for Ryan? no. just making the obvious known :aok
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His actions were stupid and he proved why they were.... the hard way.
driving after a few beers is one thing, driving after a few beers at 140 is another.
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His actions were stupid and he proved why they were.... the hard way.
driving after a few beers is one thing, driving after a few beers at 140 is another.
driving at 140 is another thing in itself... no perosnal expierence, but 125 is fast enough.
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those of us that understand the right and wrong of Ryan Dunn's actions... I am surprised that they are on here trying to argue the point to the inconceivable... let it go.. your getting your selves worked up over people that don't even come close to your intellectual, educational, and/or social level... let it go let it go... :bhead
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Masonz,
You might want to do some research before you start quoting stats regarding a subject like BAC, or blood alcohol content. Here is a sight you can look at to see how many drinks a 140 lb person, well under dunns weight, took to get to over a .016 BAC. You will note this is not wiki.
http://www.mdt.mt.gov/publications/docs/brochures/safety/mdt_bac_and_you.pdf
Also consider that the body burns off the equivalent of one drink per hour due to metabolic processes such as breathing, liver function and sweating. That means adding more alcohol to maintain or raise the level. Your estimate of 4 drinks is woefully short.
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Even sober, that stretch of Rt.322 does not have enough straight road to be driving at 140mph. There are a few, but not many, roads around here where it is straight enough to go that fast, safely (relatively speaking, of course).
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This was one dumb mistake, it just had predictable consequences.
fixed.
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Look, I don't think the guy was a 'Role Model' but he was a person and people screw up. I've screwed up and so has everyone else on this forum. We can all learn from his mistake and not drive 130mph after a few drinks.
I wish the finger pointing society would just make like a tree and diddly off.
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I wish the finger pointing society would just make like a tree and uplift off.
Ditto. This argument is pointless. I suppose only the dull will carry on (now understands the meaning of pointless)
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Even sober, that stretch of Rt.322 does not have enough straight road to be driving at 140mph. There are a few, but not many, roads around here where it is straight enough to go that fast, safely (relatively speaking, of course).
The 30 bypass between Downingtown and Coatesville but it's full of state troopers with itchy radar gun trigger fingers. 202 where it splits off from 30 and heads down to meet 100 to form the West Chester bypass in addition to the Thunder and Lightning tracks down at Millville are just about it. Even then I wouldn't especially at night. I've almost hit enough deer to know that there isn't much I can do about it at a buck twenty. Ugh.
I was driving north on 202 passing rt 3 East of West Chester when the police/ambulances were responding to this accident. I may have been going a little fast in the wee hours of the morning but I had a fart can rabbit pass me doing 65 in the 45 zone so I just kept sight and kept going. Next thing I knew just passing 3 I've got blue lights all up my rear and was supremely annoyed that I'd be getting pulled over. They all dumped off at 322 and now I know why.
Sucks for the passenger and the families. I don't have any sympathy for drunk drivers having lost several friends to them in my life. I can only hope they just kill themselves when it comes time to take lives needlessly.
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His skid marks only show 3 tires.
Since rich and famous young people are known for putting large diameter and poorly engineered wheels on thier cars, I wonder if he didn't have a wheel depart his car before the accident.
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His skid marks only show 3 tires.
Since rich and famous young people are known for putting large diameter and poorly engineered wheels on thier cars, I wonder if he didn't have a wheel depart his car before the accident.
a 911 GT3... anyone in their right mind is not putting a cheap all season tire on a car like that, i wouldnt put it past Dunn, but i dont think he was that stupid...
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I see those big wheels fail at Drift events and have seen plenty of cars denied tech inspection at drag strips and runway events.
I'm just wondering why there are only 3 marks on a car model I am very familiar with being able to maintain contact patch of all 4 wheels in most any situation.
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I see those big wheels fail at Drift events and have seen plenty of cars denied tech inspection at drag strips and runway events.
I'm just wondering why there are only 3 marks on a car model I am very familiar with being able to maintain contact patch of all 4 wheels in most any situation.
one brake failure? might be why he ended up going in the trees instead of around either side?
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one brake failure? might be why he ended up going in the trees instead of around either side?
what i was thinking...
but, when you spend all that money on a car, you would hope all 4 brakes work...
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what i was thinking...
but, when you spend all that money on a car, you would hope all 4 brakes work...
he probably drove it pretty hard overall but had so-so maintenance habits?
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he probably drove it pretty hard overall but had so-so maintenance habits?
maybe. high performance cars are high-maintenence monsters... failure to check fluids and the sorts could lead to a blown brake line...
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I see those big wheels fail at Drift events and have seen plenty of cars denied tech inspection at drag strips and runway events.
I'm just wondering why there are only 3 marks on a car model I am very familiar with being able to maintain contact patch of all 4 wheels in most any situation.
Look at the yellow dots to the right of the skid marks (where the pink-ish gravel is)
Is it possible that the ass-end kicked out on him and then come back in line with the rest of the vehicle while the rear right tire never had a chance to leave rubber (since it slid in gravel)?
It almost looks like he was going for the exit and missed it...
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one brake failure? might be why he ended up going in the trees instead of around either side?
Looked like the failure was passenger side, but then wouldn't that of caused more drag to the side overcompensating?
Edit: The wheel failure might hold some ground, as it very mell may of not made a skid mark and may of caused a signifigant amount of drag, overcompensating and taking them off into the trees.
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Look at the yellow dots to the right of the skid marks (where the pink-ish gravel is)
Is it possible that the ass-end kicked out on him and then come back in line with the rest of the vehicle while the rear right tire never had a chance to leave rubber (since it slid in gravel)?
It almost looks like he was going for the exit and missed it...
That what I was thinking, that or the two skid marks in the left lane were maybe there before him and his accident were? Two possibilities, besides being too drunk contirbuting to the mess, but I'm curious what the road looked like imediatley before the area photographed in the pictures, you know, the stretch he was doing 140 on a mere couple seconds before the scene of the crash.
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A failed brake would still net you skidmarks when a car is sliding sideways.
I wonder if he went off avoiding the car that made the other set of skid marks?
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one brake failure?
unlikely on a new porsche. looks to me like he was trying to come off the exit, just going waaaay too fast. realised late and braked while turning right so the weight was on the front left corner. the inner rear (right) wheel would be unweighted so wouldnt leave a mark. you can see the rh track looks lighter than the left, even more so after it gets a kicker off that ramp.
the strange thing is no sign of ABS, pretty sure sport mode on porkers reactivates ABS if both front wheels lock up :headscratch:
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See Rules #4, #6
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:aok
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See Rules #4, #6
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See Rules #4, #6
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See Rules #4, #6
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Anit Alcohol & anti sex.... 1580 called it wants its puritans back...
:lol :aok
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See Rules #4, #6
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See Rule #14
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true events, i lost a friend <he was alaskan native-eskimo> he got bumped by a intoxicated caucasian<purposely bumped., did he go jail for a long time? no 8 months ONLY!!!!!!!!. 2nd event- alaskan native eskimo women crashes car while intoxicated n caucasian dude dies who willingly followed, she got 8 yrs!!!.
i lost a brother to dwi, lost another to suicide while intoxicated. alcohol has to stop! outlaw it legalize marijuana, do ppl get all inebrated from smokin it? well a little but not to the point where they cant knowing know what the hell they are doing.
once again condolences to the ppl and relatives who knew ryan dunn and the passenger.
greens aka greeny
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Sorry about your brothers Greens. That's rough man.
And on a side note, I too would much rather see booze outlawed and weed legal instead. But smoking and driving don't mix either. The best bet, at least for me is, if your going to alter your brain, do it in the relative safety of your home. :salute
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true events, i lost a friend <he was alaskan native-eskimo> he got bumped by a intoxicated caucasian<purposely bumped., did he go jail for a long time? no 8 months ONLY!!!!!!!!. 2nd event- alaskan native eskimo women crashes car while intoxicated n caucasian dude dies who willingly followed, she got 8 yrs!!!.
i lost a brother to dwi, lost another to suicide while intoxicated. alcohol has to stop! outlaw it legalize marijuana, do ppl get all inebrated from smokin it? well a little but not to the point where they cant knowing know what the hell they are doing.
once again condolences to the ppl and relatives who knew ryan dunn and the passenger.
greens aka greeny
Yeah free drugs are the answer to everything! :aok
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true events, i lost a friend <he was alaskan native-eskimo> he got bumped by a intoxicated caucasian<purposely bumped., did he go jail for a long time? no 8 months ONLY!!!!!!!!. 2nd event- alaskan native eskimo women crashes car while intoxicated n caucasian dude dies who willingly followed, she got 8 yrs!!!.
i lost a brother to dwi, lost another to suicide while intoxicated. alcohol has to stop! outlaw it legalize marijuana, do ppl get all inebrated from smokin it? well a little but not to the point where they cant knowing know what the hell they are doing.
once again condolences to the ppl and relatives who knew ryan dunn and the passenger.
greens aka greeny
Tried banning booze, lots of people killed due to mob violence and it didn't really stop people from using it. Banning doesn't work, fierce punishment will. Take a life while intoxicated and you should see the inside of a gray cell for decades. Do it in a death penalty state... you get the picture.
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Hmmm 4 and 6??
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Hmmm 4 and 6??
Yeah thats what I'm saying :headscratch: :headscratch: :headscratch: unless calling someones comment "puritanical" is pornographic??
Demi Moore was hot in the "scarlet letter" though...hmmm
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Although I was a fan of that show/movie, I don't feel sorry for Ryan himself. He decided to drive while drunk and not only did he die, someone else died because of his decision to do to. However, for their friends and family, I do feel sorry for.
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true events, i lost a friend <he was alaskan native-eskimo> he got bumped by a intoxicated caucasian<purposely bumped., did he go jail for a long time? no 8 months ONLY!!!!!!!!. 2nd event- alaskan native eskimo women crashes car while intoxicated n caucasian dude dies who willingly followed, she got 8 yrs!!!.
i lost a brother to dwi, lost another to suicide while intoxicated. alcohol has to stop! outlaw it legalize marijuana, do ppl get all inebrated from smokin it? well a little but not to the point where they cant knowing know what the hell they are doing.
once again condolences to the ppl and relatives who knew ryan dunn and the passenger.
greens aka greeny
sorry to hear Greens. :salute
+1
on topic...
Although I was a fan of that show/movie, I don't feel sorry for Ryan himself. He decided to drive while drunk and not only did he die, someone else died because of his decision to do to. However, for their friends and family, I do feel sorry for.
his passenger knew he was drunk im sure, so its just as much his fault for goin with Ryan as it is Ryans fault for driving.
any word on the pasengers name? was at my girlfriends and they said it...thought i heard Dunn as the last name, if so, brother or step brother possibly?
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any word on the pasengers name? was at my girlfriends and they said it...thought i heard Dunn as the last name, if so, brother or step brother possibly?
It was a less well known member of the Jack#ss crew, I think he was only in #2
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It was a less well known member of the Jack#ss crew, I think he was only in #2
ahh. thank you much.
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Yeah thats what I'm saying :headscratch: :headscratch: :headscratch: unless calling someones comment "puritanical" is pornographic??
Demi Moore was hot in the "scarlet letter" though...hmmm
People have no sense of humor anymore. I got a rule 12 a while ago because of a pun on the Chinese leaders name. It's sad the he took someone with him but at least it was a person that decided to ride with him and not a innocent bystander.
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Alcohol.
From:http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/169656/20110626/ryan-dunn-dead-death-crash-bam-margera-johnny-knoxville.htm (http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/169656/20110626/ryan-dunn-dead-death-crash-bam-margera-johnny-knoxville.htm) (annoying pop-ups)
June 26, 2011 3:55 PM EDT
Earlier reports that Ryan Dunn had consumed eight drinks before getting behind the wheel and killing himself and his passenger were inaccurate, a Philadelphia-based Fox News affiliate reported this weekend.
Barnaby's of America in West Chester, PA, where a companion of Dunn's opened a tab at 10:30 on Sunday evening, had previously stated that bartenders served the love muffin star two beers and six shots over the course of his four-hour stay there. But meticulous scrutiny of bar tabs, videos, and photos along with witness interviews has led investigators to believe that Dunn was given three more drinks by fans sitting at a back table a distance away from the bar.
It is believed that Dunn accepted two shots (after initially resisting) and a beer from fans.
Although this brought his blood-alcohol level to a dangerously high level, the bar will not be charged as it is unlikely that the amount caused the experienced drinker to be visibly intoxicated.
Dunn, 34, had a blood alcohol level of .196 and was driving 130 MPH at the time of his deadly crash on Monday.
Both his blood alcohol and speed levels were well more than twice the legal limit. A person with a blood alcohol level of over .08 is considered legally drunk, and the speed limit on the stretch of Pennslyvania's Route 322 where the crash took place is 55 MPH.
The crash also killed Dunn's passenger and friend, Zachary Hartwell.
According to the West Goshen Township police report, Dunn's Porsche 911 GT3 was "fully engulfed in flames" when officers responding to a report of an auto accident near Route 322 and Pottstown Pike found it "off the road" and "in the woods".
"No other substances were found in his blood other than the alcohol," West Goshen Police Chief Michael Carroll told Chester County's Daily Local News.
"I've never seen a car destroyed in an automobile accident the way this car was even before it caught on fire," Carroll previously told RadarOnline. "The automobile actually came apart. It was unbelievable and I've been on a lot of fatal accident scenes. This is by far the worse I've ever seen."
Dunn was driving a 2007 Porsche 911 GT3, a luxury sportscar that can go from 0 to 60 MPH in just four seconds, and has a top speed of 192 MPH.
Dunn was known for living dangerously. The love muffin movies involve pranks and stunts that could be dangerous: In one case, a golf cart driven recklessly by Dunn caused his passenger Johnny Knoxville to be knocked unconscious.
Dunn was also a member of the Camp Kill Yourself Crew, known as the CKY crew, led by his best friend and fellow daredevil Bam Margera.
0.196 BAC.
Must be interesting owning a bar and knowing when to cut people off and exactly what their liability is. Personal responsibility versus "it was the bar's fault for leting me drink".
wrongway
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Bam Margera in the studio today, sometime around 9 AM.
http://www.wmmr.com/listen-live/ (http://www.wmmr.com/listen-live/)
Curious to see what he has to say...
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If you have a Porshe 911, you're probably gonna want to open it up. If your gonna be iresponsible, be responsible about it. Go to a track, don't drink, pick a long stretch of open highway with nobody on it get your jollies and move on. If a friend is in your car be sure they're cool with it.
But the way this guy did it is surely a love muffin way of going about it...
Still sad however.