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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Nr_RaVeN on November 09, 2011, 04:37:04 PM
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I'm curious.
How many of you have moved over to using track IR?
If So do you like it..
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I use it all the time. I love it.
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It helps at least as much as pedals do. Practically couldn't fly without it.
Wiley.
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Don't leave home without it.
Once both pedals & track ir broke at the same time. I quickly was able to get used to the twisty again, while being not as precise as the pedals I could still fight without any troubles.
But fighting without TIR was absolutely impossible, even after a week of trying hard. :joystick:
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I had to use a twisty one night as I didn't have access to my normal rig.
I kept kicking the floor when I'd turn.
Wiley.
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I'm curious.
How many of you have moved over to using track IR?
If So do you like it..
Took a little getting used to, but now I cant fly without it. :aok
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I'm Wiley's wingman.
Just sayin.
BTW if you see an enemy BF110 tooling around look for the P47 cirling above it waiting for you to attack.
Just sayin.
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yes Rave... and I love it
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I use it sometimes
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Have it, love it and am even more useless without it.
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i still am learning it. mostly offline, in the practice missions.
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Got it, love it, cant fly without it (some would say cant fly with it :D)
Had it break once, had to take a break from playing until I'd replaced it.
Wurz
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I've only had mine a few months and I'm still working on getting it set like I like it. For all view except the 6 view it is far superior. I still have trouble getting to my 6 view quick, but other than that it's great.
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I have it, and I couldn't fly with out it.
I also now have all these extra buttons that my views use to be programmed to. :aok
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I have it and love it.
LawnDart
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I have it, never really coddled up to it.. I use multiple hats and it works just fine for me.
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I've used it for many, many years and love it. I don't think it confers any advantage but it's more immersive. As Widewing mentions, some never get hooked on it either because they just can't get the hang of it, it's too much work, or it causes nausea. This is the same as can happen in real flying, some people just can't adapt to it.
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want it, afraid I will become dependent.
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It is possible to build your own with free software off the web and about $10-$15 worth of gear from radioshack.
Then you can see if you like it before forking out any dough(it takes about an hour) on either TrackIR or better parts for your homebuild.
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I've only had mine a few months and I'm still working on getting it set like I like it. For all view except the 6 view it is far superior. I still have trouble getting to my 6 view quick, but other than that it's great.
I have the "yaw" set pretty aggressive towards the extremes so that It snaps to the '6' view pretty easy with minimal head movement and without sacrificing control.
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If mine were to break, I would bother flying till I replaced it.
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I use it for all planes, except f4u and f6f
fortunately I dont fly them often :aok
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I use it for all planes, except f4u ,f6f and p47, i change tirprofile to use programmed views.
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I have it, never really coddled up to it.. I use multiple hats and it works just fine for me.
+1 I have the pro track clip that goes on my headphones. Seems I fidgit in my chair too much and constantly have to re-center it.
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Have use it constantly...............
Switch in and out of fixed view in gunner modes............
Useless for Blooooooo planes 6 views even when combining TIR with a standard POV hat.
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For all you guys who don't like the F4U's six views, turn off TIR with F9, move your head as far up in the canopy as you can (can't go to the limit in the -1 as you lose your gunsight), save the position with F10, turn TIR back on. It gets much much better six view. The F6F and F4F are just a wall though, nothing to be done there.
Wiley.
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Have it, love it, will not (and cannot) fly without it.
I tried the hat switch views, would rather ditch flight sims altogether if I couldn't keep my track-ir.
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Have to admit I also have it & love it :aok :aok :aok :aok I have a post up of the profiles for guys to test out.
With this many guys using it, I am sure there would be more to add to this thread:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,312975.0.html
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For those guys having problems with the F4U and F6F, try this trick. Lean forward and hit the center button then go ahead and sit back in your normal position. You'll see that your in-game head is towards the back of the cockpit. Basically, what you've done is set a center position ahead of where you actually sit therefore your ingame head is behind the centered position. Turn your head to check six and what you'll see is that your ingame head will be toward the front of the cockpit and farther away from the headrest so you can see better. I do admit though,that there's not much you can do with that large metal shield over the top of the pilot's head in the later F4U models, it's just obnoxious. You can, of course, fly the birdcage F4U-1 where there is no overhead shield.
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For those guys having problems with the F4U and F6F, try this trick. Lean forward and hit the center button then go ahead and sit back in your normal position. You'll see that your in-game head is towards the back of the cockpit. Basically, what you've done is set a center position ahead of where you actually sit therefore your ingame head is behind the centered position. Turn your head to check six and what you'll see is that your ingame head will be toward the front of the cockpit and farther away from the headrest so you can see better. I do admit though,that there's not much you can do with that large metal shield over the top of the pilot's head in the later F4U models, it's just obnoxious. You can, of course, fly the birdcage F4U-1 where there is no overhead shield.
Leaning to the left or right gets me by the top shield fine.
Wiley.
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Well its good to see so many like it and most all the same answer.. "wouldnt fly W/O it", Same here It took me a some time to step away from my hat switch comfort zone but I'm so happy I did..
More free extra buttons now.. :D Started with Tir 1 -4 Just got Tir5 its coming from previous Tirs the five is a noticeable improvement.. Its not as tempermental of previous versions and has better fidelity.. :aok
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Well its good to see so many like it and most all the same answer.. "wouldnt fly W/O it", Same here It took me a some time to step away from my hat switch comfort zone but I'm so happy I did..
More free extra buttons now.. :D Started with Tir 1 -4 Just got Tir5 its coming from previous Tirs the five is a noticeable improvement.. Its not as tempermental of previous versions and has better fidelity.. :aok
Yes, for all who are using TIR 4 hardware, the TIR v5 software is a noticable improvement. Way more stable, way easier to work with. Just a huge improvement overall.
Wiley.
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I luv my TrackIR. it rocks. Its awesome. It rules. It makes following targets and enemy fighters a breeze.
Did I mention it rocks? :x
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I have to laugh.. a friend of mine stopped by and it was the first time he saw my computer. Due to his language I wont post what he said but he was impressed. So I hooked him up with a test flight offline and one of coogans offline missions. I for got I had my track-ir set-up and when he looked to the right of course it looked to the right and he was stoked. After flying and crashing alot he wants a computer to handle AH and he said he wants teh triple screen set-up, so I guess I will be busy building a rig for him and he already has some specs.
So basically it was the track-ir that sold him on wanting a rig being built for him.
See Hardware and Software for specs of what he is having me build for him.
LawnDart
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Still using my old TrackIR 3 Pro with the 6DOF "Vector" add-on. Wouldn't fly without it. :aok
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I have it and like it, but not addicted like many seem to be. I actually can go months without using it just because I get tired of the track clip on my headset.
I think the biggest hurdle is finding/making a good profile that you like.
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I have it and like it, but not addicted like many seem to be. I actually can go months without using it just because I get tired of the track clip on my headset.
I think the biggest hurdle is finding/making a good profile that you like.
I got the Track clip, tossed it. The vector clip is were its at for my personal preferance..
Im with you on the profile, Thats the key.. :aok
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Never had pedals or TrackIR. Flying with a twisty stick and never had problems keep eyes on my target.
Got all the functions I need mapped on the joystick but views. So right hand on the stick, left on the num pad. :aok
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Its terrible , It will lag your computer and make you have siezures. Hat switches are much more efficient...dont buy it. :bolt:
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just checkout one of my films
recorded directly during the battle, that means what i saw with trackir is exactly what you see at this film:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjeCnIbWWlU
at 6.20 you see me pulling max g. forces, close before completly blacking out but still tracking the con
I would never go online without trackir again!
Salute
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I love mine however it doesnt work well for me in the p-47 or the la7 in these two planes I have issues seeing out the cockpit I hafta slouch down in my seat and then center the TrakIR or else Im lookin at the center of the dashboard
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I'm use a Track IR 5, and it's the greatest thing ever. :aok
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I love mine however it doesnt work well for me in the p-47 or the la7 in these two planes I have issues seeing out the cockpit I hafta slouch down in my seat and then center the TrakIR or else Im lookin at the center of the dashboard
Just pause TIR, use your PageUp/PageDown/Arrow keys to move your head to where you want, then press F10 to save the head position. Then un-pause TIR and your centered "home" position will be where you saved it with F10. It works for every plane and can be different for every plane. :aok
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:salute ImADot for helping and not calling me an Idiot or telling me to see an earlier thread about the subject
I assumed the saved headposition was not effective with trakIR, his simple and polite reply helped me a BUNCH :cheers:
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just checkout one of my films
recorded directly during the battle, that means what i saw with trackir is exactly what you see at this film:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjeCnIbWWlU
at 6.20 you see me pulling max g. forces, close before completly blacking out but still tracking the con
I would never go online without trackir again!
Salute
Allright, after reading this thread and watching this clip I'm gunna go buy Track IR and force myself to learn something new. Which one should I buy, and get ready for me to ask the same questions all over again on how to set it up.
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I don't use trackir or pedals, although i would like to if i had the money spare.
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Allright, after reading this thread and watching this clip I'm gunna go buy Track IR and force myself to learn something new. Which one should I buy, and get ready for me to ask the same questions all over again on how to set it up.
I like the track Ir 5 (the latest and greatest)
I like the vector clip(the one that clips to a hat or visor) better than the Track clip (that sits on your head set) i have had both, but its Personal preference.
Go here http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/products/trackir5/
Vextor clip..
http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/02-products/product-Vector-PRO.html
Hope that helps..
You will find once you get used to track Ir., you will more able to compete and be enjoying yourself more in the Short Icon or no icon events that we are starting to see more of In special events Like FSO etc.. Track Ir will expand your horizons in regard to flight simming opportunity's it will also unchain you from the hat switch limitations and give you more free buttons to boot.. At least it did for me. You will see..
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I have a new Track IR but I don't like it, it makes me sick to my stomach after a short time, it is as if you were looking around with your head in a fish bowl. It reminds me of the digital pictures I've seen of cockpits, where a fixed camera system takes hundreds of photographs of a fixed area, puts them all together so you can view them as one continuous image. It isn't natural and I think it looks terrible. I'd rather see VR headsets become more mainstream but before that happens the cost needs to come lower and the available resolutions need to increase. Having a stop gap device like the Track IR where your head turn to in game movement isn't 1:1 isn't intuitive.
Until then, I have the same hat switch set up as I had on my old analog CH Prothrottle and it has served me fine.
edit: I will not take part in any event (again) that has no icons. The resolution of the MkI eyeball is much greater than any computer could reproduce.
edit2: If some kind of compromise is found (perhaps a red dot under enemy aircraft instead of a huge icon), I'd reconsider taking part.
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I have a new Track IR but I don't like it, it makes me sick to my stomach after a short time, it is as if you were looking around with your head in a fish bowl. It reminds me of the digital pictures I've seen of cockpits, where a fixed camera system takes hundreds of photographs of a fixed area, puts them all together so you can view them as one continuous image. It isn't natural and I think it looks terrible. I'd rather see VR headsets become more mainstream but before that happens the cost needs to come lower and the available resolutions need to increase. Having a stop gap device like the Track IR where your head turn to in game movement isn't 1:1 isn't intuitive.
Until then, I have the same hat switch set up as I had on my old analog CH Prothrottle and it has served me fine.
edit: I will not take part in any event (again) that has no icons. The resolution of the MkI eyeball is much greater than any computer could reproduce.
edit2: If some kind of compromise is found (perhaps a red dot under enemy aircraft instead of a huge icon), I'd reconsider taking part.
I don't understand what you're describing about the fisheye view and all that. Track IR does absolutely nothing to cause that. Looking to your right yields the same type of view as pressing the right hat switch would. It does take a little getting used to as far as your head movement being amplified but that's necessary, otherwise you'd really have to look behind you and you wouldn't be able to see the screen!
But with that being said TrackIR isn't for everyone. If you don't like it then you don't like it!
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Allright, after reading this thread and watching this clip I'm gunna go buy Track IR and force myself to learn something new. Which one should I buy, and get ready for me to ask the same questions all over again on how to set it up.
It's up to you. I have TIR4 (using TIR5 software) and have nothing bad to say about it. I've heard TIR5 works better and is more smooth and all that but it's hard for me to imagine an improvement over my TIR4. If you want the best then by all means go for the TIR5. If you want to save a little money then go for TIR4. They have a pretty good deal on it with the clip.
If you use a headset then the proclip IMO is a better option. Since the proclip produces its own light (instead of reflecting light emitted from the receiver) you can increase its threshold which reduces any background light interference. I also think it improves precision quite a bit. However if you do not use a headset then the included baseball cap clip should work fine for you - just make sure there are no light sources behind you it might pick up.
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I have a new Track IR but I don't like it, it makes me sick to my stomach after a short time, it is as if you were looking around with your head in a fish bowl. It reminds me of the digital pictures I've seen of cockpits, where a fixed camera system takes hundreds of photographs of a fixed area, puts them all together so you can view them as one continuous image. It isn't natural and I think it looks terrible. I'd rather see VR headsets become more mainstream but before that happens the cost needs to come lower and the available resolutions need to increase. Having a stop gap device like the Track IR where your head turn to in game movement isn't 1:1 isn't intuitive.
Until then, I have the same hat switch set up as I had on my old analog CH Prothrottle and it has served me fine.
edit: I will not take part in any event (again) that has no icons. The resolution of the MkI eyeball is much greater than any computer could reproduce.
edit2: If some kind of compromise is found (perhaps a red dot under enemy aircraft instead of a huge icon), I'd reconsider taking part.
The first time I used TrackIR I got dizzy and fell over. This happened every day for about a week until I got used to it. It is a weird sensation barely turning your head and the camera moving 180 degrees, but now that I am used to it, I cant fly without it.
If I were you, I would give it another go, you never know maybe it will be easier the second time around. :aok
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I have a new Track IR but I don't like it, it makes me sick to my stomach after a short time, it is as if you were looking around with your head in a fish bowl. It reminds me of the digital pictures I've seen of cockpits, where a fixed camera system takes hundreds of photographs of a fixed area, puts them all together so you can view them as one continuous image. It isn't natural and I think it looks terrible. I'd rather see VR headsets become more mainstream but before that happens the cost needs to come lower and the available resolutions need to increase. Having a stop gap device like the Track IR where your head turn to in game movement isn't 1:1 isn't intuitive.
Until then, I have the same hat switch set up as I had on my old analog CH Prothrottle and it has served me fine.
That dosnt sound anything like track ir..Tir should look the same as "mouse look"..
Rember this, if you get the spins..
Keep one foot on the floor.. :cheers:
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I have a new Track IR but I don't like it, it makes me sick to my stomach after a short time
Del I experience that in vehicles and when I'm making movies. I think it has something to do with where my eye is focusing when I'm using it. As others have said keep trying till you get used to it.
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just checkout one of my films
recorded directly during the battle, that means what i saw with trackir is exactly what you see at this film:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjeCnIbWWlU
at 6.20 you see me pulling max g. forces, close before completly blacking out but still tracking the con
I would never go online without trackir again!
Salute
Meh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITQ9HFiRY_0
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I have a new Track IR but I don't like it, it makes me sick to my stomach after a short time, it is as if you were looking around with your head in a fish bowl. It reminds me of the digital pictures I've seen of cockpits, where a fixed camera system takes hundreds of photographs of a fixed area, puts them all together so you can view them as one continuous image. It isn't natural and I think it looks terrible. I'd rather see VR headsets become more mainstream but before that happens the cost needs to come lower and the available resolutions need to increase. Having a stop gap device like the Track IR where your head turn to in game movement isn't 1:1 isn't intuitive.
Until then, I have the same hat switch set up as I had on my old analog CH Prothrottle and it has served me fine.
edit: I will not take part in any event (again) that has no icons. The resolution of the MkI eyeball is much greater than any computer could reproduce.
edit2: If some kind of compromise is found (perhaps a red dot under enemy aircraft instead of a huge icon), I'd reconsider taking part.
Del,
Your motion sick from it.
Happens to me in FPS's all the time. The orig Tribes would do it to me all the time. The testing Sim's at Boeing used to get me all goofy until my mind got the feel of it.
Our mind is telling us that we should be feeling something in relation to what our eyes are telling us is taking place.
Most times this goes away like getting your sea legs. Not always thou as some people never get sea legs.
LB
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Is it me or does Track Ir seem FAR smoother since this new patch.
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Track IR is almost a requirement for dogfighting, hat switches simply limit your views to much to keep up. I seen Track IR v5 for around $110 on sale with free shipping, I certainly am going to get it in a week or so.
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Is it me or does Track Ir seem FAR smoother since this new patch.
I haven't noticed a difference, but I'm just wondering- depending how TiR is set up, it can have a profile for individual programs. Is it possible you had one defined for AH, and since the new install, it isn't using the one you had defined for AH, and instead is using your default profile or somesuch?
I only use one profile, and it's set as my default, and I noticed no difference. Just wondering if the above is the case with yours? In any case, glad it's working better with you.
Another possibility is, depending how hard your system was working with the previous version, depending on what graphical stuff you've got turned on/off with the new version might impact your system's ability to work with TiR for the better if your system isn't working as hard. They said there was some stuff in the new version that might improve performances in some cases.
Wiley.
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Yes. I used it. But to calibrate it properly i had to do a course in general relativity.
:salute
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took me no time at all to get the hang of TrackIR 5 and now hat switches just feel wrong...
it's just so much easier to keep track of multiple cons, and way more intuitive and natural feeling when dogfighting. plus i find it improves my aim in some indefinable way :headscratch:
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working on getting enough money for it right now :lol
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took me no time at all to get the hang of TrackIR 5 and now hat switches just feel wrong...
it's just so much easier to keep track of multiple cons, and way more intuitive and natural feeling when dogfighting. plus i find it improves my aim in some indefinable way :headscratch:
The two things I like about it are, in a 'blackout tunnel' you have the ability to still keep eyes on the bandit, and the other is the way your head tilts I find it makes it easier to get a mental picture of what's going on around me. I've got the roll axis set to be 1:1, so if I tilt my head in a turn to keep the horizon level on the monitor, it tilts the correct amount to level the horizon. There's just something I can't define that makes it easier to keep track of what I'm doing with that for some reason. I don't question it too much, I just use it. :)
Calibrating it is a real pain, as lulu said, but it's by far the most important thing to determining whether you will like it or hate it. Your TrackIR profile is probably the most individual setting you can make in the game, even more so than your joystick button setup.
Wiley.
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working on getting enough money for it right now :lol
Keep an eye out where you buy it, I generally look at amazon for deals (I just bought a Thrustmaster Warthog for $400, but had a $50 discount from the website and free shipping, ended up paying $350 for it, also it was shipped the same day.
I seen a deal for Track IR V5 for $110 plus free shipping (Down from $150) but wasn't able to get it in time :(
ALSO make sure its not one of those crappy websites that order it from somewhere else and takes 2 weeks to ship, almost got fooled the first time I bought my Thrustmaster.
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Pretty much what everyone has said.
I have Track IR 7 with the old style hat clip (TIR 5, iirc), and love it. Would never and could never fly with hat switches.
If Track IR or some similar head tracking set-up were not available, I would not fly. Period.
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I have a Thrustmaster Warthog on the way to me now, I think I'm going to bite the bullet try using the Track IR again, rather than re-teach my fingers the view buttons that I had on my CH prothrottle.
Is there a big difference between the TrackIR 4 and the TrackIR5? I have a 4, but I'd be willing to buy a 5 if the difference (even slight) made the viewing better.
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If you can swing it get the 5 Delirium :aok
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I have a Thrustmaster Warthog on the way to me now, I think I'm going to bite the bullet try using the Track IR again, rather than re-teach my fingers the view buttons that I had on my CH prothrottle.
Is there a big difference between the TrackIR 4 and the TrackIR5? I have a 4, but I'd be willing to buy a 5 if the difference (even slight) made the viewing better.
I only know one guy who used a 4 and went to a 5. He said it was a bit smoother. My dollar to performance threshold wasn't reached based on what he had to say about it, but YMMV.
The one thing I'll mention from firsthand experience, if you are using the TIR4 with v4 software, I highly recommend you upgrade to the v5 software. It's available for free download from their website. It's much, much easier to work with and it has been more stable for me. You have to redo your profile, but it's much easier to do, and it seemed to me to work better. Maybe it was just because I was able to get my profile how I wanted it better, I'm not sure.
Wiley.
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I just ordered a 5, should be here about the same time the Warthog is. Between taking huge breaks from AH, a new stick, and the TrackIR- I will be flying like a 2 weeker (more than normal) again.
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If I can help tweak your Tir in any way please don't hesitate to ask here or PM me Ill be more than happy to help you get things set up..
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I have a 4 with the clip. I love it. I use the 5 software but didn't use it for the longest time because it would randomly crash on me. The final version of the 5 software finally works stable for me so I'm happy.
Reaper, TrackIr 7? I think you're mistaken...
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Reaper, TrackIr 7? I think you're mistaken...
You're right, it's 5 and 4, not 7 and 5. I have the same setup as you, I have the 5 software and the clip that came with the 4 when I bought it. :salute
<---- memory going faster as I get older. The alcohol has nothing to do with it. :uhoh
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I have a TIR4 that I bought a year ago but only used it for a week. I was having problems trying to look behind me.
I found that if I reset all the custom views for a plane using the "home" then "F10" keys for each view, then the trackIR panning was nice and smooth, but it was really hard to look around the headrest to see behind me. I would turn my head to see the 6 view, then when I tried to lean to see around the headrest the thing would stop tracking and get stuck.
If I set custom views so that the back-left and back-right views already looked around the headrest then I found that trackIR seemed to "snap" to those views instead of smoothly panning with head movement, which I found really annoying.
I could never get the right setup so I gave up after a while, and went back to the old left hand on the numeric keypad for views.
Do you guys clear all the custom saved views for each plane when using trackIR?
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I just ordered a 5, should be here about the same time the Warthog is. Between taking huge breaks from AH, a new stick, and the TrackIR- I will be flying like a 2 weeker (more than normal) again.
Whats new Del? I am getting a new system, warthog and track ir 5...... first thing on the list: find the nearest horde, dive through it and auger like a boss.
/frankly I won't be getting any kills anytime soon anyway i've been out of the game over a month.
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I have a TIR4 that I bought a year ago but only used it for a week. I was having problems trying to look behind me.
I found that if I reset all the custom views for a plane using the "home" then "F10" keys for each view, then the trackIR panning was nice and smooth, but it was really hard to look around the headrest to see behind me. I would turn my head to see the 6 view, then when I tried to lean to see around the headrest the thing would stop tracking and get stuck.
If I set custom views so that the back-left and back-right views already looked around the headrest then I found that trackIR seemed to "snap" to those views instead of smoothly panning with head movement, which I found really annoying.
I could never get the right setup so I gave up after a while, and went back to the old left hand on the numeric keypad for views.
Do you guys clear all the custom saved views for each plane when using trackIR?
That is usually due to light interference behind you.. or your reflectors (or clip) are tracking outside of the camera area.
I have my TIR mounted vertically on the left side of my monitor and I wear my track clip on the left side of my headset. The light behind me is just outside of the camera's view so it works out perfectly.
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I used to play Aces High.
I used to have working TrackIR.
I no longer have working TrackIR.
I no longer play Aces High.
Just to give you an idea.
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I have a TIR4 that I bought a year ago but only used it for a week. I was having problems trying to look behind me.
I found that if I reset all the custom views for a plane using the "home" then "F10" keys for each view, then the trackIR panning was nice and smooth, but it was really hard to look around the headrest to see behind me. I would turn my head to see the 6 view, then when I tried to lean to see around the headrest the thing would stop tracking and get stuck.
If I set custom views so that the back-left and back-right views already looked around the headrest then I found that trackIR seemed to "snap" to those views instead of smoothly panning with head movement, which I found really annoying.
I could never get the right setup so I gave up after a while, and went back to the old left hand on the numeric keypad for views.
Do you guys clear all the custom saved views for each plane when using trackIR?
Custom views have absolutely nothing to do with TIR and smoothness UNLESS you're using your hat switch. I recommend that you disable your hat switch views to force yourself to rely only on TIR.
If your TIR seems to "snap" to particular views it probably isn't due to extra light sources. If that were true you'd have problems no matter where you look. The problem you're having is that you probably have way too much deadband set in your profile. This deadband tends to draw your view to the major axis, this is doublely true looking forward and aft since this is where the pitch and yaw axis intersect. To minimize the deadbands make your curves flatter in the center and with the center point well above zero (on the rotation speed axis). My pitch and yaw curves have a very, very shallow V that are actually almost flat with the center position set to 9 for yaw and 11 for pitch. X, Y, and Z curves are also almost flat with the center point set at five. Also, my speed is set to 1 and smooth set to 30.This is all personal preference but I personally hate the deadbands so I've eliminted it in all of the axis of my profile except roll.
The reason your views are getting stuck when you check six is probably because you're exceeding the limits of the TIR tracker (i.e., you're outside the camera's field of view (FOV)). It helps if you setup your system with greater physical distance between the camera and your head (the farther away you are the wider the FOV). Either sit farther back or move your TIR camera farther away. Hard to say what will work best for you since I don't know what your setup is. Lean forward a bit when you center TIR. That way, when you relax back to your normal sitting position your in game head is toward the back of the cockpit. When you turn to check six your head pivots around so that it's now toward the front of the cockpit which makes it much, much easier to see around the headrest. This minimizes the movement you need to do when checking six and minimizes the chances you'll go outside of the camera's FOV.
I seriously doubt the problems you describe are caused by light sources behind you but to check select your camera view. This will let you check for light sources that can interfer with tracking and also let you move your head in the same way as you would in the game and see if you're going outside of the camera's FOV.
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won't fly without it
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won't fly without it
While TilDeath builds my new rocketship (an Elton John/TilDeath collaboration) - I made sure to get my new stick and Track IR a day ahead of schedule.
/Would not fly without it, although over a month without using it I will be spending more time in the Training arena not trying to throw up.
//Seriously I dont recommend drinking a few beers then using Track IR
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clarify the meaning of "few" :D
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:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsUnNADVC90
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0qvQQjdFjM
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Personally I do have an issue with a window. When I have too much light the unit drops out. I have a black out curtain that put up on sunny days.
I've been collecting profiles. I have 7 of them from different players here in the game. I like them to test and see what you can do with the settings. I mix and match a bit to get something I like. If any one else would like to try them they are here. http://speedy.sh/za7GZ/7-trackIR-profiles.zip
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Thanks, Fugitive! I'll be using one or more of those profiles next week. :aok
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Fugi, did you finally get mine?
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I don't even use my hat switch (so I too have all those buttons freed up). I still use my num pad (fingers) and arrow keys (thumb) which to me are very intuitive, fluid and work great. I've been doing it that way for 16 years and don't even give views a second thought; my fingers just automatically do what they need to.
Would I see more stuff with trackIR? If not I don't know why I'd change.
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Love it, Use it, Lost without it....
However using TIR3 that has been through MANY moves the front screen has some minor scratches on it now. Can be a pain in the bellybutton at times but this is SOLELY due to the scratch on the bottom of the unit.
As was mentioned by someone previously ambient light CAN and IS an issue depending on the environment you are working with.
I ended up placing a blackout curtain tacked up to the window that faces the camera for daytime use.....worked out great for me!
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I don't even use my hat switch (so I too have all those buttons freed up). I still use my num pad (fingers) and arrow keys (thumb) which to me are very intuitive, fluid and work great. I've been doing it that way for 16 years and don't even give views a second thought; my fingers just automatically do what they need to.
Would I see more stuff with trackIR? If not I don't know why I'd change.
Number pads and Hat switches do not compare to track IR, period.... I used to use the number pad for views, it doesn't come close.
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//Seriously I dont recommend drinking a few beers then using Track IR
Nonsense. I use TIR and I do some of my best flying after the 3rd or 4th whiskey drink. :)
But then again, as a toon pilot, I'm probably more like this guy.....
(http://movieevangelist.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/randy-quaid.jpg)
:D
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I don't even use my hat switch (so I too have all those buttons freed up). I still use my num pad (fingers) and arrow keys (thumb) which to me are very intuitive, fluid and work great. I've been doing it that way for 16 years and don't even give views a second thought; my fingers just automatically do what they need to.
Would I see more stuff with trackIR? If not I don't know why I'd change.
Think of the way you look around when your drive your car......
Thats what its like flying with track ir.. You simply look around.
Once you learn how fast and how far to turn your head, its as natural as can be..
You can scan for contacts much more and as a result you will see more..
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Fugi, did you finally get mine?
Yes I did, and I think it is one of those in the pack. Thanks
Bald, I've only had mine for about 6 or 8 months. In all the years I've been playing these games I've used the hat switch for my views. The trackIR is better. With the switched views it seems slow compared to trackIR. Also as pointed out, even when in a black out dot the size of a quarter it is easy to keep a target In view.
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Seriously I dont recommend drinking a few beers then using Track IR
I can drink all night long and still be just fine with Track IR.
One Sunday morning I was bored and tried to fly with a little bit of a headache from the night before. Now don't ever try to use it while hung over.. THAT will mess you up!
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I use mine maybe 1/2 the time. I thinks its very useful in WWs and jeeps/GVs, manned guns....ect But to always have it on when flying is disorientating.
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Fugitive, if you'd like, I can put them on the Trainers FTP. I don't know of anyone is willing to download a 3rd party program just to download another file.
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I spent what free time I had today trying to set up my older TrackIR 4. I'm using the new TrackIR5 software, and I'm definitely not getting the full movement for some reason. I moved the IR device and the monitor as far back as I could, but that didn't correct it.
Am I missing something?
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I got trackir5 (tried both the passive metal clip and the IR side clip) last year, I couldn't ever set it up to work reasonably for my drunken self.. I move around way too much, apparently. Either way too sensitive, or not sensitive enough. Honestly I don't know how you guys can tolerate moving your head but keep your eyes on the screen..
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I spent what free time I had today trying to set up my older TrackIR 4. I'm using the new TrackIR5 software, and I'm definitely not getting the full movement for some reason. I moved the IR device and the monitor as far back as I could, but that didn't correct it.
Am I missing something?
You may already know this but to be safe check out what I posted here..
A few questions..
Whats going on with your Camera info in the TrackIR5 software? What are your geen dots doing? It sounds like your to far away. 2'.5- 3' feet max is all you need, no need to be more.
It could be the hight relationship between your clip and the camera>
This trick helped me. See the camera showing in the image and the 3 green dots?
Look at the screen as you would sit to fly. Then hit your track Ir center button.. Then look around and be sure that the 3 green dots stay green and don’t turn red.
When you have it set up correctly and the dots are always green when you look around, you will be all set.
Its that simple.
I find a faster profile is better. You can wip your head around much like a bird of prey also you don’t have to move it very much at all to have your in game head move allot
(http://www.ravenskins.com/tir.jpg)
Below is how I have my Tir set up. If your camera is not catching your reflectors its not always distance it can be height too.
You will have to find the right spot... You will know your there when all the green dots stay green and do not turn red... Red is bad No read allowed!
Also if your having trouble shift the entire curve up see the curve outlined in red? Right there. Pm or ask here, Ill do what I can to help.
:salute RaVe
(http://www.ravenskins.com/tir2.jpg)
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I spent what free time I had today trying to set up my older TrackIR 4. I'm using the new TrackIR5 software, and I'm definitely not getting the full movement for some reason. I moved the IR device and the monitor as far back as I could, but that didn't correct it.
Am I missing something?
Just a note, they don't recommend getting ot too far from you. It definitely has a range it's best in
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I use both a combination of trakir and hat switch. as I pause trakir when i dont need it. it helps on those moments when there's no cons around and I was to just sit back and if i need to look behind me i just use the hat switch.
also you cant use trakir while flying bombers as it doesnt work that way, or while gunning or in gv's. so no you cannot get rid of the hat switch completely.
semp
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"Calibrating it is a real pain, as lulu said, but it's by far the most important thing to determining whether you will like it or hate it. Your TrackIR profile is probably the most individual setting you can make in the game, even more so than your joystick button setup.
Wiley."
Gospel :old:
I had to do some calculations (few) and a lot's of proofs
to avoid that the 'damned thing' went too fast during panning.
After all i was also a bit luky to get the result after 30 proofs about ontly!
I used this criteria:
1. AH VIEWS in relation with monitor are this (it's a black art!!!):
tl htl tc hrt rt
lc hlc c hrc rc
bl hbl bc hrb br
c = center of the monitor, tc = top center, hr = hal right center and so on.
2. Fix your TIR curve so that when you look at one of theese points on the monitor
then in AH you can see the VIEW YOU LIKE - not the view that you have in reality
otherwise tir becames unusefull AND POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS FOR HEALT'S NECK
For example: if you look at hrc then you got right view -- not forward right view.
And if you look at rc on your monitor then you got back right view.
3. Now probably panning is too fast. This is the part of pain.
You must do manually some changes in your curve and proof them.
I find that this wowrk for me (yaw axes):
a. from c (center) to HALF HALF hrc (half right center) ---- slow
b. from HALF HALF hrc to HALF hrc ------- a bit more fast.
c. form HAF hrc to hrc ----- quite fast so that i can get right view
d. from hrc to rc repeat c. and b. point
I know this can sound too much clear but i must go out of my home now.
:salute
P.S.
Hope that if someone else develop a better thing then this, He will post it and does not take it
as 'secret' :noid !!!!????
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I have a modified profile which will center on gun site :)
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"Calibrating it is a real pain, as lulu said, but it's by far the most important thing to determining whether you will like it or hate it. Your TrackIR profile is probably the most individual setting you can make in the game, even more so than your joystick button setup.
Wiley."
Gospel :old:
I had to do some calculations (few) and a lot's of proofs
to avoid that the 'damned thing' went too fast during panning.
After all i was also a bit luky to get the result after 30 proofs about ontly!
I used this criteria:
1. AH VIEWS in relation with monitor are this (it's a black art!!!):
tl htl tc hrt rt
lc hlc c hrc rc
bl hbl bc hrb br
c = center of the monitor, tc = top center, hr = hal right center and so on.
2. Fix your TIR curve so that when you look at one of theese points on the monitor
then in AH you can see the VIEW YOU LIKE - not the view that you have in reality
otherwise tir becames unusefull AND POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS FOR HEALT'S NECK
For example: if you look at hrc then you got right view -- not forward right view.
And if you look at rc on your monitor then you got back right view.
3. Now probably panning is too fast. This is the part of pain.
You must do manually some changes in your curve and proof them.
I find that this wowrk for me (yaw axes):
a. from c (center) to HALF HALF hrc (half right center) ---- slow
b. from HALF HALF hrc to HALF hrc ------- a bit more fast.
c. form HAF hrc to hrc ----- quite fast so that i can get right view
d. from hrc to rc repeat c. and b. point
I know this can sound too much clear but i must go out of my home now.
:salute
P.S.
Hope that if someone else develop a better thing then this, He will post it and does not take it
as 'secret' :noid !!!!????
:huh
Using TrackIR does NOT take this much effort. Creating a profile is pretty easy. Took me 10-15 minutes at most to tweak mine and I've sent it to many other players who have been happy with it.
As for "calibrating," i have no idea what you all mean by this. There is no calibration, per se. All you have to do is open the software, adjust the camera so that your lights/reflectors are in the center and not a mile away and then press the "center" key so it can sync it's view with yours.
I say this as a warning to people considering getting a TrackIR. It is NOT as hard as all this, really, and it is worth every penny. I cannot and will not fly without it anymore, it's THAT good.
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Don't have mirrors nearby, it will mess it up :old:
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Don't have mirrors nearby, it will mess it up :old:
So will a cigarette. :D
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Cup of tea does :old:
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o-OH,
Calibration or rescaling that's the question?
I said that i'm not rescaling only, i do a calibration too (or adjustment - better perhaps? The pizza seems the same!).
Because to made TIR work well (accurately) i did something like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calibration
Where the first device was my head itself - obviously i did not write down on a paper its
velocity and acceleration.
With calibration TIR would work more accurately.
I cannot rescaling before to know how (with which velocity and acceleration) my head rotates to reach the important points on the monitor that i discussed - and the distances between that points depend on monitor
so that a profile good for a 17" monitor would not work well on a 23" monitor.
:salute
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o-OH,
Calibration or rescaling that's the question?
I said that i'm not rescaling only, i do a calibration too (or adjustment - better perhaps? The pizza seems the same!).
Because to made TIR work well (accurately) i did something like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calibration
Where the first device was my head itself - obviously i did not write down on a paper its
velocity and acceleration.
With calibration TIR would work more accurately.
I cannot rescaling before to know how (with which velocity and acceleration) my head rotates to reach the important points on the monitor that i discussed - and the distances between that points depend on monitor
so that a profile good for a 17" monitor would not work well on a 23" monitor.
:salute
You have made this way too hard.
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But it works fine very fine as in videos on youtube (il2 videos expecially).
:salute
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Fugitive, if you'd like, I can put them on the Trainers FTP. I don't know of anyone is willing to download a 3rd party program just to download another file.
Thats fine Del. Windows has the "zip" program installed already so you really don't NEED a 3rd party program to open it.
I spent what free time I had today trying to set up my older TrackIR 4. I'm using the new TrackIR5 software, and I'm definitely not getting the full movement for some reason. I moved the IR device and the monitor as far back as I could, but that didn't correct it.
Am I missing something?
I use the "pro clip" on the left side of my headset. So I mounted my "camera" to the left side of my monitor. If you use the reflectors/hat clip then center on your monitor would be best.
My monitor sits about 32-36 inches away. Like Mr Raven said, you want to make sure you see the dots clearly. Also, it's better if you keep your head movements small. The most you should do is like if you locked your eye balls to stay put in your head so that when you looked at each corner of the monitor that would be the max movement you want. Some have even less than that. So at my distance from the monitor I'm not turning my head more than 10 degrees in any direction.
Light is a big factor with the trackIR. If you have too much the camera won't "see" the reflectors/leds. If I fly during the day I hang a black out curtain over the windows behind me to keep the camera connection good. Mirrors reflect extra light and will cause a "blind spot" where the camera will lose the connection.
After you get a stable connection between the camera and the reflector/proclip and don't lose it by making large head movements then you can start messing with the setting.
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People do indeed seem to have some strange ideas for TIR but then it's a very individual preference, i.e., what works best for you. Over about five or six years this is what my profile has developed into:
Yaw:
(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/TrackIR5%202012-01-23%2022-09-35-04.bmp)
Pitch:
(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/TrackIR5%202012-01-23%2022-10-03-59.bmp)
Roll:
(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/TrackIR5%202012-01-28%2010-05-41-84.bmp)
X, Y, Z (all the same)
(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/TrackIR5%202012-01-23%2022-10-17-87.bmp)
As you can see, all of my curves are very simple, smooth and lack any deadband although they all slow down just a bit near the center of the axis to provide a bit more stability and precision when looking forward. The Roll curve slows down more than the other curves simply because roll is the least important of the axis and tends to complicate things in certain circumstances. My motion controls are set at Speed: 1 and Smooth: 30.
These curves are quick yet smooth and predictable without alot of the jumping around that you can get with profiles that have a lot move of a deep "V" look to them like NrRaven's. You can also use the Curve up and down arrows to move the entire curve up for quicker rotation or down to slow it down without messing with the curve itself.
I am not a fan of deadbands at all because they're unnatural and give me the feeling of fighting the TIR rather than just smoothly looking around. The best description of the deadband effect is that it feels like there are rubber bands pulling your views toward the individual axis.
Last, take a look at the part of the curve you actually use by calling up the Profile view and follow the red line. With most monitors, your usable true head angle for Yaw only goes about 30 to 40 degrees because more than that and your head is pointed off screen so any part of the curve beyond about 30 degrees is useless. For Pitch and Roll it's even less at about 10 or 15 degrees of actual usable head motion. So when you do your curves, that's the part that matters so concentrate on getting the portion of the curve you actually use right. Yes, I know some of my curves go all the way to the edge of the graph, but they're virtually flat so it doesn't matter and I've been too lazy to change them for appearances sake.
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People do indeed seem to have some strange ideas for TIR but then it's a very individual preference, i.e., what works best for you. Over about five or six years this is what my profile has developed into:
Yaw:
(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/TrackIR5%202012-01-23%2022-09-35-04.bmp)
Pitch:
(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/TrackIR5%202012-01-23%2022-10-03-59.bmp)
Roll:
(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/TrackIR5%202012-01-28%2010-05-41-84.bmp)
X, Y, Z (all the same)
(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/mace/TrackIR5%202012-01-23%2022-10-17-87.bmp)
As you can see, all of my curves are very simple, smooth and lack any deadband although they all slow down just a bit near the center of the axis to provide a bit more stability and precision when looking forward. The Roll curve slows down more than the other curves simply because roll is the least important of the axis and tends to complicate things in certain circumstances. My motion controls are set at Speed: 1 and Smooth: 30.
These curves are quick yet smooth and predictable without alot of the jumping around that you can get with profiles that have a lot move of a deep "V" look to them like NrRaven's. For instance, saYou can also use the Curve up and down arrows to move the entire curve up for quicker rotation or down to slow it down without messing with the curve itself.
I am not a fan of deadbands at all because they're unnatural and give me the feeling of fighting the TIR rather than just smoothly looking around. The best description of the deadband effect is that it feels like there are rubber bands pulling your views toward the individual axis.
Last, take a look at the part of the curve you actually use by calling up the Profile view and follow the red line. With most monitors, your usable true head angle for Yaw only goes about 30 to 40 degrees because more than that and your head is pointed off screen so any part of the curve beyond about 30 degrees is useless. For Pitch and Roll it's even less at about 10 or 15 degrees of actual usable head motion. So when you do your curves, that's the part that matters so concentrate on getting the portion of the curve you actually use right. Yes, I know some of my curves go all the way to the edge of the graph, but they're virtually flat so it doesn't matter and I've been too lazy to change them for appearances sake.
I go the other way. I have a very narrow dead band in the center. I find that it helps keep the pipper where it needs to be without having to use much head movement at all. I've never noticed that I'm "fighting" the Tir this way. In fact, I find it's quite the opposite.
To each his own though.
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When I attempted to use the TrackIR he last time, it would look around the headset for me. Now, I need to be a contortionist to check my 6 o'clock. What is different this time?
Thanks in advance for the help!
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When I attempted to use the TrackIR he last time, it would look around the headset for me. Now, I need to be a contortionist to check my 6 o'clock. What is different this time?
Thanks in advance for the help!
There are a couple of possibilities Del but one big one is to make sure that you have both AH's "Track IR Object Relative Move" and TIR's "Trueview" turned off. You can actually have them also both on but last time I experimented with these setting, it appeared that having both on caused TIR to use a different pivot point. If you have these settings mismatched (i.e., one off, the other on) then it'll screw up your rear views. It's hard to explain but easy to make sure they both match. Also, of course make sure you lean a bit forward when centering the system. This'll move your head toward the rear of the cockpit when facing forward and toward the front of the cockpit when looking aft. This gets your face farther away from the headrest making it much easier to look around.6
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When I attempted to use the TrackIR he last time, it would look around the headset for me. Now, I need to be a contortionist to check my 6 o'clock. What is different this time?
Thanks in advance for the help!
Delirium,
You and I seem to be in a similar situation.
I am dedicating this next week as my wife is STILL away on business.....to fix this dmn thing.
I took 6 months or so off and even though I wiped the "camera" off from dust acquired during the move, I am having some significant issues.
My worst problem is with looking DOWN.....when I do so the camera "swaps" rapidly from side to side. Never used to do this and now it does.
SOOOOOOO......
I am going to spend a day or so tweaking curves, adjusting settings, swapping between "hat clips"........
From what I can gather......and I fly in a totally dark room now.......the "DOWN" look seems to get a TINY bit of Red.....this was fixed with moving the monitor/camera back again to the 3' away as I had prior to changing households.
TIR can be touchy....curves are PERSONAL PREFERENCE.......but something is not quite right any longer.
1. Could it be the recent patches/updates?.....UNSURE
2. Could it be a bad TIR after the move?......Perhaps......
3. Could it be a bad USB interface?......Perhaps however, I have tested on PC and powered USB port......
4. Could it be just not flying for several months?........it might be.....
I will post up my discoveries over the next few days.........
BTW....still using TIR 3 with 6DOF and hat clips........Figured this issue out last year and am bound and determined to fix it again!
Will let you know what I come up with.....
Cheers,
:salute
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Make sure the camera sees all three dots throughout your head movement. Also make sure there is isn't any alternate light sources the camera sees throughout your head movement. One thing I would like to point out is that the dots don't have to be in the center of the target when your head is center. It is more important that the camera sees the dots throughout your head movement. I had to play with the angle and tilt of my camera to get it to a point where it didn't lose one or more of the dots through my entire head movement which isn't really a lot as I like a fairly aggressive profile.
I like to set my default head position in the plane by disabling tir moving my head back as far as I can, raising my head so that the dot gunsight is just at the top of the sight glass, using the arrow keys and page up key, F10 to save. Now when I enable tir and center it that is where my view is at. When I look back I just lean a little left or right and look back down that side of the fuse. I fly corsairs a lot and I do not have any problems with six views.
I have trackir object relative move checked in AH. I do not have trueview checked in tir. I disabled the roll axis as it was messing my aim up. I'm not sure why but I do a lot better without it. My camera is about two and a half, three feet from the track clip.
I do not have the views mapped to my controller relying entirely on tir. I don't even have the ability to enable/disable tir on my controller using the keyboard since I do it so rarely. I do have center view mapped.
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I don't use trackir or pedals, although i would like to if i had the money spare.
I use neither as well...thanks to ol' MugZ, he gave me some drills to keep sharp with the hat switch.
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I have one of the original units that I have used out of the box with the default profile provided with the unit. I have never altered that profile except to copy it and name it AcesHighProfile. The only issue that I have ever had was caused by extremely bright sun light and blackout shades resolved that problem. The unit worked the first time and every time as advertised. I have no issues with any of the views and once you get used to using it I think you would find it hard to go back to the hat switch.
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When I attempted to use the TrackIR he last time, it would look around the headset for me. Now, I need to be a contortionist to check my 6 o'clock. What is different this time?
Thanks in advance for the help!
Try disabling trackIR, then going in with the normal num-keypad views and use the arrows, pageup, pagedown and the home key to save the views so that you are looking around the headrest.
Now re-enable trackIR, and you will find that when the angle of the view gets close to one of the ones you saved, the head position will "snap" to the saved location.
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Do any of you track ir users fly the hellcat? Im having all kinds of hell with my views in this particular plane. All my other planes are fine, but I cant see squat in the hellcat.
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Well, I learned a lot of things about the TrackIR this time out.
1. Head position is important, but having a perfect view of your tail equates to sitting on the nose when looking forward.
2. The TrackIR5 is MUCH better than the 4; less interference and much better control over the device. In fact, I'm probably going to give the TrackIR4 away, I will never use it.
3. Pausing the TrackIR isn't really helpful for shooting, imho keeping the deadband in the center a little larger is a much better proposition.
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I do have a few more stupid questions;
1. Is there any negatives to disabling the roll axis on the TrackIR? I don't see any purpose for it, other than it being another axis to worry about.
2. I haven't had any luck using the Aces High in game controls of the TrackIR (precision, pause, etc), except for the centering feature. Am I doing something wrong?
3. Should the curve of the Pro-clip follow the curve of the head or headset, or remain completely upright in a 90 degree angle?
4. With previous versions, I could use the TrackIR as mouse emulator, is this still possible? I want to try playing Skyrim with it. :D
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Now I just need some online time, but with 2 sick kids and a needy wife, it is almost impossible. Anyone care to duel me?
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Do any of you track ir users fly the hellcat? Im having all kinds of hell with my views in this particular plane. All my other planes are fine, but I cant see squat in the hellcat.
I had some trouble with the P38, but if you make your X axis more aggressive, you can shift from one side or the other slightly to look around the headrest. In addition, turn off the TrackIR, lean forward as far as you can comfortably forward view and hit F10 to save the position. This will move your head farther forward to make looking behind you much easier.
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turning off roll will give you back your hat view positions, I'll check tonight, but i'm able to get the same views i did using the hat when using trackir, will post screenies tomorrow.
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Del I turned the roll axis off within a few days of getting my tir. Haven't turned it back on since, and that was five or six years ago.
I don't lean forward when centering my view. See my previous post in this thread about setting head position.