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Title: I hate the La7
Post by: Torquila on December 18, 2012, 06:44:31 AM
Nothing else is as annoyingly dangerous to me as the La7! I hate it!
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Midway on December 18, 2012, 06:55:19 AM
Nothing else is as annoyingly dangerous to me as the La7! I hate it!

Fly the mighty Spitfire.  :joystick:

I (and you can too) pwn LA7s daily, unless they run away and then are no threat anyway. :)

Problem solved. :aok
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: SmokinLoon on December 18, 2012, 07:42:42 AM
Depends on type of fighting.  I can deal easier with La7's in a dogfight than I can Spit16's.  The Spit16 simply have more tricks in their bag when it comes to 1v1  knife fighting.  The La7's biggest trick is to run from a superior knife fighter, or chase down a slower aircraft.  The second thing is the triple 20mm cannons.  Third, it can accelerate and climb like a banshee.  Turn and roll are average, really. 
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: RipRap on December 18, 2012, 08:02:02 AM
Nothing else is as annoyingly dangerous to me as the La7! I hate it!

If one gets on your 6, let it get about D700 & kick full left rudder and split S to your left & extend out, works for me most of the time. If you see one coming dead at you on your 12 o'clock, dive hard and keep going straight under it gain some E and either keep going or pull up and go for a snapshot from below.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Nath[BDP] on December 18, 2012, 08:04:18 AM
quick someone call the waaambulance
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: thndregg on December 18, 2012, 08:21:34 AM
One of the best fights I got into was an La7 against my Yak9u, low, slow, turn & burn over the water.. quite the white-knuckle tangle & weave. I managed to squeak out a victory after we collided and he crashed.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Slade on December 18, 2012, 08:43:56 AM
To me this is the apex of the game.  Taking on rides that are far more capable than mine and finding a way to win.

It is just a conspiracy of mind!  :old:

Yes uber rides have more options.  Great feedback in this thread though on dealing with them.  If you have to engage and don't have E or alt try to force the uber ride pilot to make a mistake.  If nothing else to give you time and extension.

Heck if nothing else when he is on your 6 cut the throttle, slam the rudder over, turn hard (basically speed breaking) and let him fly past.  Take a shot if you get one.  Don't expect to get a 2nd chance on that technique though.  

Still on your 6? Dump the flaps and fly in between the trees.  These things I do but I avoid stick stirring (just my thing = too gamey for me).  If you are still alive TAKE IT TO HIM! Uber ride dudes don't expect this sometimes.  This is a mistake on their part.  

If he is using his superior climb and acceleration at this point to position for a last killing pass...use it against him.  You may have just enough E to turn your nose on his (or part of his fuselage).   Dont bump your nose until the last split second.  He may think you do not posses the E. What a surprise it is when he discovers you do!  :rock

EDIT:
Greebo is a master at this BTW.  Like no other.  When you think you have him (or so out match his position) he finds a way to even the odds and even kill you.  He is amazing at this.  I have learned so much by being killed by Greebo.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: waystin2 on December 18, 2012, 09:05:48 AM
PERK IT!  :P
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Lusche on December 18, 2012, 09:17:38 AM
PERK IT!  :P


Is it 2005 again?  :uhoh
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: SmokinLoon on December 18, 2012, 10:01:32 AM

Is it 2005 again?  :uhoh

Nah.  The La7 has too many things going against it to perk.  Very limited range and an ord package not worth mentioning, it truly is a short range low level interceptor.  On the same token though... the Spit 14 is perked.  Hmm.

I say give the P51D a perk price though.  Even if it is only 1 or 2.  For all that can do I'm surprised it is not.  It isn't like it is tough to earn perk points in fighter/attack mode.   
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: blazer65 on December 18, 2012, 10:19:40 AM
They can't turn well at all, just dont run away from them and theres no problem.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on December 18, 2012, 10:33:04 AM
Nah.  The La7 has too many things going against it to perk.  Very limited range and an ord package not worth mentioning, it truly is a short range low level interceptor.  On the same token though... the Spit 14 is perked.  Hmm.

I say give the P51D a perk price though.  Even if it is only 1 or 2.  For all that can do I'm surprised it is not.  It isn't like it is tough to earn perk points in fighter/attack mode.   

The LA7 can run surprisingly far and fast using low throttle and rpm. Just need to be careful while fighting not to run it dry.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: deadstikmac on December 18, 2012, 10:46:59 AM
I love the LA7 for ONE thing only. Speed.

Take away its speed advantage and you make LAs cry.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Saxman on December 18, 2012, 10:49:04 AM
The La-7 as a whole in no way needs to be perked. I'd argue for perking the third 20mm option, though, as this was a very rare configuration IRL but is pretty much the MA standard.

That said, La-7s are best at low-altitude energy fighting. Force her to turn and she has a lot of weaknesses to exploit. You have to really keep the pressure up, though. Give her an opening to grab some running room and she'll slip away from you fast. Also, while the 20mm hit hard the ballistics kinda blow, (its' been a while, but IIRC the only guns in her class that are worse in that regard are the Japanese 20mm) so keep maneuvering and you'll give most La drivers fits just trying to score a hit.

I LOVE running into La-7s above 15k. She does NOT like altitude, and most of the American iron will eat La-7s for lunch once you get up there. Drag the fight higher and force her to engage close-quarters, and more often than not you'll have a dead La-7.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Debrody on December 18, 2012, 10:51:11 AM
Las can turn better than 109Gs, through the whole speed range, also have a good turn radius thanks to their large flaps.
Fun fights for sure if the lala pilot knows how to fly.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: waystin2 on December 18, 2012, 10:52:06 AM
The Perk cry was a joke fellas.  It comes down to knowing how to treat an LA-7 when in your ride of choice.  Your strengths against it's weaknesses and you'll have a winning outcome.  :aok
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Wiley on December 18, 2012, 10:53:24 AM
The Perk cry was a joke fellas.  It comes down to knowing how to treat an LA-7 when in your ride of choice.  Your strengths against it's weaknesses and you'll have a winning outcome.  :aok

...Just kind of being a smartass, but in a P-47D-11, what are these strengths I can exploit again?  :devil

Wiley.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Triton28 on December 18, 2012, 11:14:17 AM
I hate every plane that shoots me down.  :old:

Pilots too!   :neener:
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Karnak on December 18, 2012, 11:14:26 AM
...Just kind of being a smartass, but in a P-47D-11, what are these strengths I can exploit again?  :devil

Wiley.
Performance at altitude.  :p
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: waystin2 on December 18, 2012, 11:19:37 AM
...Just kind of being a smartass, but in a P-47D-11, what are these strengths I can exploit again?  :devil

Wiley.

The strengths that come to mind are:

-More firepower than LA-7 with the 8 gun package
-Takes more damage than an LA-7 will accept
-Maneuvers better than an LA-7 at higher altitudes
-Faster than LA-7 at very high altitudes


Can the D-11 outdive the LA-7?

Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Debrody on December 18, 2012, 11:24:17 AM
...Just kind of being a smartass, but in a P-47D-11, what are these strengths I can exploit again?  :devil

Wiley.
-range
-firepower
-ballistics
-dive
-high altitude performance
-400mph flaps
Otherwise the light Jug isnt that bad of a turnfighter at all.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on December 18, 2012, 11:40:09 AM
The strengths that come to mind are:

-More firepower than LA-7 with the 8 gun package
-Takes more damage than an LA-7 will accept
-Maneuvers better than an LA-7 at higher altitudes
-Faster than LA-7 at very high altitudes


Can the D-11 outdive the LA-7?



Too bad that 90% of the fights happen right on the deck in AH :)
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: --)SF---- on December 18, 2012, 12:27:19 PM
They can't turn well at all, just dont run away from them and theres no problem.

Really....   :lol
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: waystin2 on December 18, 2012, 12:38:29 PM
Too bad that 90% of the fights happen right on the deck in AH :)

Too true.  Got to fly the D-25 in the last scenario and she is a different animal at 30K.   :aok
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Wiley on December 18, 2012, 12:47:44 PM
-range
-firepower
-ballistics
-dive
-high altitude performance
-400mph flaps
Otherwise the light Jug isnt that bad of a turnfighter at all.

It's most often my main ride, I've got a bit of touch turnfighting it.

Realistically though, turnfighting an LA7 for me has to end quickly or he's going to gain more E and schwack me.  IMO that matchup co-E pretty much necessitates beating the pilot, not the plane.

Too true.  Got to fly the D-25 in the last scenario and she is a different animal at 30K.   :aok

Yep.  Get high, and the jugs are a real menace.  There's fights up high in the MA, the guys down in the weeds TnBing just never see them. ;)

Wiley.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Vinkman on December 18, 2012, 12:47:53 PM
I hate it too! It's the damned smog! and all that traffic. Not to mention the fact that everyone's a nutter who would vote for Kim Kardashian as mayor..




Oh La7



...Nevermind.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Tilt on December 18, 2012, 01:16:07 PM
Nothing else is as annoyingly dangerous to me as the La7! I hate it!

A very capable  fighter able to make up for (some of) the inadequacies of many a pilit........................ ......... including this one

However it is not the paper, stone and scissors many profess it to be....................
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: ink on December 18, 2012, 02:44:43 PM
Really....   :lol

 :rofl

that's what I was thinking...

LA7 is a great turner.....obviously it is no Zero...but it turns great non the less.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Reaper90 on December 18, 2012, 03:22:13 PM
:rofl

that's what I was thinking...

LA7 is a great turner.....obviously it is no Zero...but it turns great non the less.

^this^

Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Motherland on December 18, 2012, 03:30:45 PM
Honestly the La7 hasn't been that great of a turner since it was updated. It still turns well, but it's not doing lufberrys with Spitfires anymore. I think a lot of its uber reputation is left over from 'back then'. Now it's just a nicely maneuvering aircraft with three cannons that's fast. I'd put it with the 109K as opposed to the Spitfire Mk 16 anymore.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Jed on December 18, 2012, 07:24:00 PM
la7 = most pathetic plane to be caught flying in the game   In my opinion, of which I hope I can be entitled to.
 Many times have I shot someone down, only to have them up in an La-7 to catch me, so they can engage me and have their friends pick me off in a 7 v1 .   I have no respect for anyone who fly's them in this manner. A rocket with cannons..       
      Now If I can catch one ALONE..   in my Jug. They are fun to get into a rolling scissors with and can be handled. :banana:
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: ink on December 18, 2012, 07:47:24 PM
la7 = most pathetic plane to be caught flying in the game   In my opinion, of which I hope I can be entitled to.
 Many times have I shot someone down, only to have them up in an La-7 to catch me, so they can engage me and have their friends pick me off in a 7 v1 .   I have no respect for anyone who fly's them in this manner. A rocket with cannons..       
      Now If I can catch one ALONE..   in my Jug. They are fun to get into a rolling scissors with and can be handled. :banana:

How it is flown........ has nothing to do with the plane........the LA7 is great but if you fly like a tard it does not matter what you are in....could be a P40.....

I never care what someone is flying.....it is How they fly that leaves the impression....
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: RedBull1 on December 18, 2012, 07:53:05 PM
I'm sorry good sir, did you just say the La7 is the most pathetic plane? Have you never once ran into a P51, 190D, or dare I say it....A BREW in the MA???

I honestly find La7's very easy to kill assuming I catch them.

It's spits, zekes, brews, etc. I have trouble with *shrugs*
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: BigR on December 18, 2012, 07:56:07 PM
LOL its another one of these threads...just like the mustang thread. The LA7 is lethal as hell in the right hands and is no push over at all in a stall fight. You can use it for "good" or "evil" (whatever the current, arbitrary in-game definition of good and evil is) Stop crying about what planes people fly. Its the most tired argument in the game.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: RedBull1 on December 18, 2012, 08:08:23 PM
LOL its another one of these threads...just like the mustang thread. The LA7 is lethal as hell in the right hands and is no push over at all in a stall fight. You can use it for "good" or "evil" (whatever the current, arbitrary in-game definition of good and evil is) Stop crying about what planes people fly. Its the most tired argument in the game.
In my last statement, you're about the only pony pilot excluded from that  :old:

Hell you're only of the only people to fight in a pony! And are quite lethal as well  :uhoh

 :cheers:

 :salute
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: --)SF---- on December 18, 2012, 08:31:52 PM
la7 = most pathetic plane to be caught flying in the game   In my opinion, of which I hope I can be entitled to.
 Many times have I shot someone down, only to have them up in an La-7 to catch me, so they can engage me and have their friends pick me off in a 7 v1 .   I have no respect for anyone who fly's them in this manner. A rocket with cannons..       
      Now If I can catch one ALONE..   in my Jug. They are fun to get into a rolling scissors with and can be handled. :banana:

I admit I do fly the La7, more than most. 

Just go ahead and pm next time you see me in the MA, I'll happily let you catch me alone.   :lol
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: BigR on December 18, 2012, 08:37:08 PM
In my last statement, you're about the only pony pilot excluded from that  :old:

Hell you're only of the only people to fight in a pony! And are quite lethal as well  :uhoh

 :cheers:

 :salute

Lol..thanks...I try. You're not so bad yourself.  :salute I used to let other peoples plane choice get to me. Not so much anymore. I don't care what people fly. I think its important to experience other planes if you want to be more well rounded, but if someone wants to stay in a Spit16 or Mustang for their entire time in the game, that's OK with me. Its just a video game. If they took mustangs away tomorrow, I would find a new plane and do just as well as I do now.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: LilMak on December 18, 2012, 09:03:41 PM
LA-7 is much like the spit or 51. So few pilots know how to use it that it becomes easy meat for above average sticks. Since they updated it, It's pretty rare for me to encounter a lone LA pilot that doesn't fall to my Jug.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Changeup on December 18, 2012, 09:25:19 PM
(http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac300/Changeup1/photo-27.jpg)
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Jed on December 18, 2012, 09:38:35 PM
SF...  you are an exception my friend.   I know you can fly it, and catching you alone would be a difficult challenge <S>   
   on another note,  you can't use a p40 to chase a jug down after you have just been shot down on the deck.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: RedBull1 on December 18, 2012, 09:49:28 PM
(http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac300/Changeup1/photo-27.jpg)
What the hell Change  :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Changeup on December 18, 2012, 10:10:36 PM
Quote from: RedBull1 link=topic=342954.msg4527280#msg4527280  :Ddate=1355888968
What the hell Change  :rofl :rofl :rofl

I thought it was an excellent point in the thread to interject some important information
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: JunkyII on December 18, 2012, 10:35:55 PM
LA7 is Beast mode, same as KI84, Spitfires, 109s....just in different way.


152 Beast mode > All :rock :rock :rock
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Randy1 on December 19, 2012, 06:20:26 AM
In light reading, the Russians seem to stress making close, cannon shots.  I read that on the P39Q which they were glad to get, they removed the added wing, mounted extra 50s saying the canon was plenty of firepower.  The La7 can get close, quick which seems to follow their fighter philosophy.

I use the La7 when a field attack comes because it is so quick to get in the air and be at furbal fighting speed.  So much different than the P47M I use most of the time.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Sg11 on December 19, 2012, 08:37:33 AM
Nothing else is as annoyingly dangerous to me as the La7! I hate it!
Not in a stall fight  :)
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: JunkyII on December 19, 2012, 09:57:48 AM
Not in a stall fight  :)
LA can fight a stall fight pretty well....
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: --)SF---- on December 19, 2012, 11:03:39 AM
Not in a stall fight  :)

Heresy.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: BigR on December 19, 2012, 12:02:58 PM
Im not sure where this "LA7 is not good in a stall fight" is coming from. Its damn good in a stall fight. You have to know how to control it because it can fall out from underneath you if you don't know what you're doing. If you can control that, it is an absolute beast.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Ripley on December 19, 2012, 02:11:07 PM
Im always particularly careful of LA's when I'm in an engagement zone. Get one on your six and they can be particularly difficult to shake off, and the cannons dont help the situation.

Not the most difficult opponent, but not easy either.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Changeup on December 19, 2012, 04:15:45 PM
Im always particularly careful of LA's when I'm in an engagement zone. Get one on your six and they can be particularly difficult to shake off, and the cannons dont help the situation.

Not the most difficult opponent, but not easy either.

Best hope you're in a turny bird...just flat turn them to death.  If you're in a marginal-turning bird and they guy behind you knows what he's doing, you may have mounted a pooch.  German planes can out-roll the LA at slow speeds but they flat turn about the same.  I die alot so I'm probably wrong, lol.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: bozon on December 20, 2012, 10:09:08 AM
I find that the average level of La7 pilots is even lower than P-51 pilots, and the population of the latter is supposed to be pulled down by two weekers.

If the La7 is perked, people may find out what a monster the La5 can be. Not that many will fly it because it does not win any "most X" performance awards.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: tunnelrat on December 20, 2012, 10:17:49 AM
I find that the average level of La7 pilots is even lower than P-51 pilots, and the population of the latter is supposed to be pulled down by two weekers.

If the La7 is perked, people may find out what a monster the La5 can be. Not that many will fly it because it does not win any "most X" performance awards.

The Laffin is a fun plane to fly, and those 2 20mms shred planes like paper.

Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Vadjan-Sama on December 20, 2012, 04:07:16 PM
Yea, perk the La7, no way it can turn or stall fight just run and run a plane for sissys....

>_>
<_<
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: BaDkaRmA158Th on December 20, 2012, 05:54:09 PM
The la5 is just fine, i say they should put a perk on la7's..just to get all the gutless pilots out of them.

Honestly, how many times do i have to kick a guys arse only to have him re-up in a la7 and CHASE me down over 4 clicks away, common now. Now im low on ammo, or out with engine running at minimal just to get back to base,and i get hit with a x3 20mm 430+ mph at 20 feet off the ground flkying up my six low, because hes a mad baby boy who wants victory for nothing.



Ah well, its good to know  i still rock and sock la7's is my p39.

It just gets so fustrating some time, to know im the better man, but that punk can re-up a god plane and hunt me down. boo it.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: JUGgler on December 20, 2012, 06:36:21 PM
M-JUG > LA7

N-JUG > LA7   with more elegance


JUGgler
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: --)SF---- on December 20, 2012, 07:52:19 PM
M-JUG > LA7

N-JUG > LA7   with more elegance


JUGgler

Pffft.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Changeup on December 20, 2012, 08:56:02 PM
Pffft.

DA time...all merges guns cold

1st fight - Deck Merge

2nd fight - 10K merge

3rd fight - 28K merge

Post films please...
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on December 21, 2012, 04:59:15 AM
DA time...all merges guns cold

1st fight - Deck Merge

2nd fight - 10K merge

3rd fight - 28K merge

Post films please...

Yeah I'd really like to see a film where a pilot fights himself simultaneously with 2 different planetypes!
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: JUGgler on December 21, 2012, 01:37:24 PM
Pffft.


It's in the name!    :aok




JUGgler
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Karnak on December 21, 2012, 01:47:08 PM

It's in the name!    :aok




JUGgler

Yeah, but really, really liking a plane doesn't change its actual capabilities.  I like the Mossie quite a lot, but I know the La-7 is a much better air-to-air combatant.  P-47s are a fairly even match for the Mossie if the fight is at low altitudes.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Changeup on December 21, 2012, 05:38:56 PM
Yeah I'd really like to see a film where a pilot fights himself simultaneously with 2 different planetypes!

I think you should read the posts again...SF was pffft the JUG > LA7....so it was about these to fellas.  I know, its ok.  Sometimes its easy to get confused  :aok
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: RauleDuke on December 27, 2012, 02:44:52 PM
If I'm flying against an LA 7, I would like to be in an LA-5fn.  You give up a little in top end speed and firepower, but you get a lot in maneuvering.  However, I stopped flying the La-5fn because I have a hell of a time hitting anything with those guns and there ain't a lot of ammo.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Motherland on December 27, 2012, 02:49:36 PM
The La7 is lighter and more maneuverable than the La5FN. It's one of the few planes that is an across the board improvement on its predecessor. More horsepower, more aerodynamic, lighter, and better armament (although if you take the 3 20mm package the plane is 5lbs heavier)
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Tilt on December 27, 2012, 04:54:19 PM
LA7 & La5FN have the same HP. Their gross weights are virtually identical............

The La7 has less drag and a slightly more efficient prop (than the La5FN {44}). Hence the La5FN can scrub E ( if desired) more efficiently than the La7 but not accelerate with an La7
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: icepac on December 28, 2012, 05:59:22 PM
I have been enjoying seeing a lot of well flown p40s in the main.

Only flown it once in a duel vs a true p40 master.

He won but I made him sweat it out for a few minutes.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Tank-Ace on December 28, 2012, 07:18:07 PM
Personally, if I had to fight an La-7, I'd want to be in a 109K. Probably not the best plane for dealing with a lala purely based on the stats, but it was my plane, and it was what I knew best, therefore it gives me the best chance at coming out intact.


The La7 is lighter and more maneuverable than the La5FN. It's one of the few planes that is an across the board improvement on its predecessor. More horsepower, more aerodynamic, lighter, and better armament (although if you take the 3 20mm package the plane is 5lbs heavier)

IIRC, the La-5FN is more stable as modeled in AH, not so?
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on December 29, 2012, 05:29:17 AM
I think you should read the posts again...SF was pffft the JUG > LA7....so it was about these to fellas.  I know, its ok.  Sometimes its easy to get confused  :aok

DA is not going to solve any discussion about planetypes because pilot skill is affecting the outcome.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: LCADolby on December 29, 2012, 06:14:52 AM
I have always enjoyed fighting SF and Shanes LA7s. Dangerous and alot of fun :old: :joystick:
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Changeup on December 29, 2012, 09:37:30 AM
DA is not going to solve any discussion about planetypes because pilot skill is affecting the outcome.

True but still more fun than flying for 15 mins to get to a fight, which, when you arrive you'll find one of these three things:

1.  4 to 5 cons higher than you no matter what your alt is
2.  An opposing horde just arriving because that's how bad/good your timing is
3.  A great fight started with a a/c identical to yours and super brewster jumps in to kill you just before you pull the trigger

Sometimes all THREE happen...but mostly just two

FUN and LEARNING are solved in the DA young one.  Getting beat by a lessor plane/better pilot grants humility, improves your ACM, improves your SA, gets you out of your comfort zone, promotes confidence by getting closer to beating him/her, teaches you the 1 v 1 fight tempo, and forces one to ask questions of their opponent they wouldn't have thought of IF you want to get a little better at this game.  Just because one isn't comfortable doing it, doesn't mean there isn't a tremendous value for those that do.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: JUGgler on December 29, 2012, 02:42:57 PM
True but still more fun than flying for 15 mins to get to a fight, which, when you arrive you'll find one of these three things:

1.  4 to 5 cons higher than you no matter what your alt is
2.  An opposing horde just arriving because that's how bad/good your timing is
3.  A great fight started with a a/c identical to yours and super brewster jumps in to kill you just before you pull the trigger

Sometimes all THREE happen...but mostly just two

FUN and LEARNING are solved in the DA young one.  Getting beat by a lessor plane/better pilot grants humility, improves your ACM, improves your SA, gets you out of your comfort zone, promotes confidence by getting closer to beating him/her, teaches you the 1 v 1 fight tempo, and forces one to ask questions of their opponent they wouldn't have thought of IF you want to get a little better at this game.  Just because one isn't comfortable doing it, doesn't mean there isn't a tremendous value for those that do.


Very true Obi Wan!  :D


BTW


BF110 > LA-7

 :O



JUGgler
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: --)SF---- on December 29, 2012, 03:29:29 PM

Very true Obi Wan!  :D


BTW


BF110 > LA-7

 :O



JUGgler



Pffftt..
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Soulyss on December 29, 2012, 05:05:44 PM
Hate the LA7?  Shoot 'em down.   :)

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Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: ren on December 30, 2012, 02:07:01 AM
Love that airplane.  :airplane:
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Gixer on December 30, 2012, 02:58:37 AM
Only thing I hate about the La is that it was updated to AH2 and the Yak wasn't and still isn't after 10 years.



<S>...-Gixer
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: alskahawk on December 31, 2012, 03:23:36 AM
 The LA's are overmodeled. The stats seem to be taken from Russian sources, which as most know are traditionally overblown. If you read a lot of the memoirs of the German pilots some of the preconcepts of the Russians and their aircraft don't hold up. The La's weren't nearly as fast as they are in the game and the Russian pilots weren't sitting targets. The IL2 however get's a lot of respect from the German pilots. Helmut Lipfert repeatedly mentions how tough the IL's were to shoot down until they got the 30mm cannon.

 Here are some books of interest;
 The War Diary of Helmut Lipfert. By Helmut Lipfert. 203 kill Ace from the Eastern front.
 I flew for the Fuhrer. By Heinz Knoke. 52 kill Ace mostly on the Western front.
 The Blond Knight of Germany. By Raymond F. Toliver and Trevor J. Constable. The biography of Erich Hartman. 352 Kill Ace. Eastern front.
 
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: kappa on December 31, 2012, 04:04:41 AM
La7 is the 2nd most lethal prop plane in the MA.. Only the u4 outranks it IMO..
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Lusche on December 31, 2012, 04:22:35 AM
La7 is the 2nd most lethal prop plane in the MA.. Only the u4 outranks it IMO..


In the reality of MA combat, the Tempest is way ahead of them in terms of lethality by the combination of insane speed and rapid firing Hispanos.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: kappa on December 31, 2012, 04:33:57 AM

In the reality of MA combat, the Tempest is way ahead of them in terms of lethality by the combination of insane speed and rapid firing Hispanos.

tempest only hope is to get away.. if it can..
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Lusche on December 31, 2012, 04:44:42 AM
tempest only hope is to get away.. if it can..


We are not talking about a duel. The term was "lethality". The Tempset can fly at much higher speeds at the common fight altitudes and has much greater firepower, making it incredibly lethal. Going just a few k up, it's faster in MIL than the La- in wep even.
The Tempest is far more able to zip through any battle and blow it's victims out of the sky with a quick burst than both the La-7 and the F4U-4. No doubt, both of them would be better if it komes to a duel-like knife fight... but in the MA you can avoid that pretty much.
If we were looking for the best dogfighter, I would never had mentioned the Tempest, but in terms of true lethality in the MA environment, the Tempy is outclassing it's opposition by a huge margin.

There is a reason it's perked at 50 vs the F4U-4's 20 or the La-7's 0, and also why a Tempest creates more panic on local then any other plane but the 262.


(By the way, the all-year K/D of the Tempest vs La-7 is 4.35...)
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Changeup on December 31, 2012, 10:23:28 AM

We are not talking about a duel. The term was "lethality". The Tempset can fly at much higher speeds at the common fight altitudes and has much greater firepower, making it incredibly lethal. Going just a few k up, it's faster in MIL than the La- in wep even.
The Tempest is far more able to zip through any battle and blow it's victims out of the sky with a quick burst than both the La-7 and the F4U-4. No doubt, both of them would be better if it komes to a duel-like knife fight... but in the MA you can avoid that pretty much.
If we were looking for the best dogfighter, I would never had mentioned the Tempest, but in terms of true lethality in the MA environment, the Tempy is outclassing it's opposition by a huge margin.

There is a reason it's perked at 50 vs the F4U-4's 20 or the La-7's 0, and also why a Tempest creates more panic on local then any other plane but the 262.


(By the way, the all-year K/D of the Tempest vs La-7 is 4.35...)

Let me help Kappa out if I may.  Lethality in the hands of a pilot....not lethality in the hands of the general AH public ie....hordling, altfairy, basevulching, picking, you get the idea.  It's also the easiest multi cannon bird to fly fast with which makes it an excellent noob-selection.  

Kappa was speaking about a/c performance flight characteristically speaking as in:  put 4 Hispanos on the -4 and the Tempest loses its shiny rape-monger luster :D
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: kappa on December 31, 2012, 08:04:09 PM
Let me help Kappa out if I may.  Lethality in the hands of a pilot....not lethality in the hands of the general AH public ie....hordling, altfairy, basevulching, picking, you get the idea.  It's also the easiest multi cannon bird to fly fast with which makes it an excellent noob-selection.  

Kappa was speaking about a/c performance flight characteristically speaking as in:  put 4 Hispanos on the -4 and the Tempest loses its shiny rape-monger luster :D

thx.. was too tired to respond this morning.. Lusche and myself have different flying styles (not a bad thing) and both making points from the opposite corners of the same box 8)
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: kappa on December 31, 2012, 08:08:42 PM


(By the way, the all-year K/D of the Tempest vs La-7 is 4.35...)

thats great and all.. but lets talk proper lethality.. compare k/t and total kills.. 8) 
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Lusche on December 31, 2012, 08:09:41 PM
thx.. was too tired to respond this morning.. Lusche and myself have different flying styles (not a bad thing) and both making points from the opposite corners of the same box 8)

When I make general statements about a plane, I try to keep them entirely apart from my own playing style. I try to be objective instead of subjective and not making my points from a specific corner. :)
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Lusche on December 31, 2012, 08:11:55 PM
thats great and all.. but lets talk proper lethality.. compare k/t and total kills.. 8)  

Total kills is not necessarily reflecting a individual plane's lethaility. If so, you could think the Me 163 ain't very lethal at all ;)
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: kappa on December 31, 2012, 08:16:30 PM
When I make general statements about a plane, I try to keep them entirely apart from my own playing style. I try to be objective instead of subjective and not making my points from a specific corner. :)

ah... you mean like using your own flying style to compare the tempest to w/e plane? In fact you just did that.. How YOU fly the tempest.. Myself would not fly it in a manner dependent on its gun package and speed as you put it..

and if you want a competition to prove my point.. I'll bet I can land more kills in a la7 faster than you can in a tempest.. that would be a measure of lethality.. IMO.. as I state above..
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: kappa on December 31, 2012, 08:18:07 PM
Total kills is not necessarily reflecting a individual plane's lethaility. If so, you could think the Me 163 ain't very lethal at all ;)

well than k/t
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Squire on January 01, 2013, 01:16:10 AM
Quote
The LA's are overmodeled

Oh well, that settles that. Past you not liking the Russians and having lots of books on the Luftwaffe is there maybe anything else we could look at past you listing some aces names to infer that the LA series is somehow not modelled right? please... :rolleyes:

As far as the LA-7 goes there are plenty of fighters that can beat it 1 vs 1.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: hotard on January 01, 2013, 01:26:27 AM
Fly the mighty Spitfire.  :joystick:

I (and you can too) pwn LA7s daily, unless they run away and then are no threat anyway. :)

Problem solved. :aok
LMAO you  and your spit
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Sg11 on January 01, 2013, 01:37:23 AM
LA can fight a stall fight pretty well....
Against a TBM?
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: --)SF---- on January 01, 2013, 11:32:44 AM


As far as the LA-7 goes there are plenty of fighters that can beat it 1 vs 1.


Pffft......
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: hotard on January 01, 2013, 02:20:57 PM
 :aok

Pffft......
:aok :aok :aok :aok :aok
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: VuduVee on January 02, 2013, 05:41:15 PM
imo, the LA-7 takes too much grief and is givin way too much credit. everyone knows its pretty good for base defense. in my opinion only, pure defender players (usually in a wirbel, who think the game is a job) use it and help to give it a bad rep. they cant help themselves but to ho everything in sight. for me, i love to use it to deack or shoot ords, radar. maybe no one wants to prep a field or town, so i go it alone. the la7 gets me there fast, has the firepower to knock out guns, and has the speed to get me home fast with ammo to spare. if a defender pops up, it will give my attack run a dogfighters chance to win. people say its overmodeled, but from my perspective, its finnicky, it takes a good amount of throttle control and angles of attack discipline to win a dogfight. you really need to fly the LA exactly as meant to be flown bc as soon as you goof youre in big trouble most likely, unless you can burn away.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Changeup on January 02, 2013, 05:51:35 PM
imo, the LA-7 takes too much grief and is givin way too much credit. everyone knows its pretty good for base defense. in my opinion only, pure defender players (usually in a wirbel, who think the game is a job) use it and help to give it a bad rep. they cant help themselves but to ho everything in sight. for me, i love to use it to deack or shoot ords, radar. maybe no one wants to prep a field or town, so i go it alone. the la7 gets me there fast, has the firepower to knock out guns, and has the speed to get me home fast with ammo to spare. if a defender pops up, it will give my attack run a dogfighters chance to win. people say its overmodeled, but from my perspective, its finnicky, it takes a good amount of throttle control and angles of attack discipline to win a dogfight. you really need to fly the LA exactly as meant to be flown bc as soon as you goof youre in big trouble most likely, unless you can burn away.

I select LA7's in the same manner I select 16's.  Easy payback! :neener:  And I aint kiddin
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: VuduVee on January 02, 2013, 06:23:46 PM
I select LA7's in the same manner I select 16's.  Easy payback! :neener:  And I aint kiddin
yeah they work well for that too....doh!!
sidenote: Lantana, TX is named after carlos lantana, the famous accordian drummertarist. and is the star of edward james olmos european vacation. im pretty sure of this.
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Changeup on January 02, 2013, 06:32:37 PM
yeah they work well for that too....doh!!
sidenote: Lantana, TX is named after carlos lantana, the famous accordian drummertarist. and is the star of edward james olmos european vacation. im pretty sure of this.

IT IS!!!  We live in MiamiVice neighborhood and my son plays the keytar!! 
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: VuduVee on January 02, 2013, 07:00:03 PM
IT IS!!!  We live in MiamiVice neighborhood and my son plays the keytar!! 
:rock a keytar?? man those things cost a lot! like a whole weeks pay, all 12 dollars of it. you dam rich people!! :bhead
Title: Re: I hate the La7
Post by: Changeup on January 02, 2013, 07:14:37 PM
:rock a keytar?? man those things cost a lot! like a whole weeks pay, all 12 dollars of it. you dam rich people!! :bhead

You can thank Carlos Lantana for that.  He's an Especial freeend.