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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: uptown on August 31, 2013, 02:39:11 AM
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Myself I personally think I did the right thing by making my opponent fight my fight and not his. If that's lame then I'm guilty.
Film of the engagement ------>http://www.mediafire.com/?949z0jd83dm57gq
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That just makes you the smarter one. Fighting is about winning. If you can exploit an advantage over your enemy then well done :cheers:
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it would have been much more interesting if he would have disengaged from you and engaged the 16 behind him...which in turn would have made you turn and engage him.....which would have been a much better flight/fight.
lame yes just because it was boring......
he cant expect a jug to turn with his spit 1...even at 20k.....so he is more guilty on it being "lame" then you.....because he could have done much more then following you around hopelessly target fixated.
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I didn't see anything wrong on your side. You knew your enemy's plane's strengths and weaknesses and flew your plane accordingly. His mistake (as Ink pointed out) was being target fixated and simply not paying attention.
While turning and fighting him would've been more interesting. You flew correctly and shouldn't lose any sleep over the fact that you won :aok
Tinkles
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P.S. You sound old :rofl :salute :cheers:
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I didn't see anything wrong on your side. You knew your enemy's plane's strengths and weaknesses and flew your plane accordingly. His mistake (as Ink pointed out) was being target fixated and simply not paying attention.
While turning and fighting him would've been more interesting. You flew correctly and shouldn't lose any sleep over the fact that you won :aok
Tinkles
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P.S. You sound old :rofl :salute :cheers:
Guess what...in the blink of an eye you will be old too....just in case your young arse doesn't know that. :D :salute :cheers:
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Guess what...in the blink of an eye you will be old too....just in case your young arse doesn't know that. :D :salute :cheers:
QFT!
Like the saying goes "What you are, I once was. What I am now, you will become".
:cheers: Oz
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WTF!? I just had a birthday yesterday and today a kid tells me I sound old :rofl This aging thing is worse then I thought :cry
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WTF!? I just had a birthday yesterday and today a kid tells me I sound old :rofl This aging thing is worse then I thought :cry
What do you expect to hear from a youngster named tinkles? :D
I turn 55 in a couple of weeks my sons tell me rocks don't live that long. ;)
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The only lame one is the Spit driver. Ahhhhh, another dead Spit.
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That just makes you the smarter one. Fighting is about winning. If you can exploit an advantage over your enemy then well done :cheers:
In a GAME winning is the end game, but not the journey, the fight is the journey. Fighting is all about.... well fighting. So from that aspect, it was a lame fight..... and one of the most boring ones I've seen. Like INK said, The spit was as much at fault as Uptown. Turning on the Spit16 and making a 2 vs 1 would have spiced up the fight.
Of course if your here to have a high Kill to death and you enjoy "E" fighting, and climbing to 20K+ (even seeing that in a film scares me!) then more power to ya. For me, I prefer to have half a dozen fights in the same amount of time Uptown did for this one. Win or lose, thats all I'm looking for.
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The only lame one is the Spit driver. Ahhhhh, another dead Spit.
One of the finest sights in AH is watching spit fire balls fall to earth.
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pffft.
haven't watched the film but it probably was lame, I mean running from a spit 1 whatever next! man up and grow some!! :D
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For me, I prefer to have half a dozen fights in the same amount of time Uptown did for this one. Win or lose, thats all I'm looking for.
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What do you expect to hear from a youngster named tinkles? :D
I turn 55 in a couple of weeks my sons tell me rocks don't live that long. ;)
Well, that makes you mighty. Some would say.
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Super lame.
You should have done the Krupnski/Latrobe/Cobra hybrid tailslide and killed him much faster. :)
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Well, that makes you mighty. Some would say.
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Yep Mighty Old! :aok
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Congrats! you learned how to find pictures on Google !!! Bets were it was going to take a few more months!
Lighten up Frances. I didn't say there was anything wrong with the way Uptown flew in the film, I just pointed out it isn't for me. You would do better to practice YOUR flying than spending time here on the boards posting pictures.
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Super lame.
You should have done the Krupnski/Latrobe/Cobra hybrid tailslide and killed him much faster. :)
:lol :lol :aok
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Dude don't sweat it. Next time that happens just tell em, hey if I wanted to fight I wouldve brought a fighter.
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Cool to see B E flying a Spit I in the LWMA. Not sure why he chased P-47s to/at that alt but kudos to his dedication and persistence (and I suspect he wasn't really as fixated during the whole ordeal).
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Congrats! you learned how to find pictures on Google !!! Bets were it was going to take a few more months!
Lighten up Frances. I didn't say there was anything wrong with the way Uptown flew in the film, I just pointed out it isn't for me. You would do better to practice YOUR flying than spending time here on the boards posting pictures.
Who needs to lighten up again? You're skin is getting mighty thin Fugi. ;)
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Myself I personally think I did the right thing by making my opponent fight my fight and not his.
You have to fight to fight a fight. At one point in the film you had a 2K alt advantge on me at alt yet never tried to reverse, instead hoping the Spit XVI would take care of me for you. I saw him but if you watch the film you'll see he was losing ground on me and was never in a position to threaten me.
I asked Uptown to post the film. After the salute and lame fight comment came the inevitable "who killed who" response. I told him the only reason he killed me was because I gave him my six out of boredom and the film would substantiate that which it does. I was going to just bail but changed my mind at the last minute. I probably should have just not responded but I was drunk, tired, bored and frustrated. I'm usually not one to comment on 200.
I like to push the envelope in both my own (not that hard) and my planes performance and was doing exactly that. I was climbing at only 120 mph for much of that. I let him drag me to alt hoping when we reached prime operating alt for his aircraft that he'd actually fight but didn't until I turned out which isn't really fighting at all IMO.
It's all good. Everyone's able to play and fight the way they want even if it's vastly different.
I did learn a little more about the Spit I which I've been flying exclusively for the past three weeks in preperation for BoB and a little high alt work was good preperation. If you see a Spit I over the next few weeks it's probably me. Fear the BB's.
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I did learn a little more about the Spit I which I've been flying exclusively for the past three weeks in preperation for BoB and a little high alt work was good preperation. If you see a Spit I over the next few weeks it's probably me. Fear the BB's.
Good on yas. :salute :cheers:
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Who needs to lighten up again? You're skin is getting mighty thin Fugi. ;)
My post was on topic, yours was to take a shot at me for what you thought was a shot at your squadmate. I've flown with Uptown for years and know how he flies and don't have a problem with it....unless I'm on the receiving end :noid
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My post was on topic, yours was to take a shot at me for what you thought was a shot at your squadmate. I've flown with Uptown for years and know how he flies and don't have a problem with it....unless I'm on the receiving end :noid
Eh no I didnt think you were taking a shot at my squadmate at all. I was just teasing you about the I'm just here for the fight remark. We know already! I didn't realize you'd take it so bad.
To be on topic I thought Uptown did a bang up job, I would have been scared the other spit would get the kill and reversed much earlier hoping for a snapshot and banking on the Jug's ability to soak up 303s until Baldy put one in my melon. :D
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Eh no I didnt think you were taking a shot at my squadmate at all. I was just teasing you about the I'm just here for the fight remark. We know already! I didn't realize you'd take it so bad.
To be on topic I thought Uptown did a bang up job, I would have been scared the other spit would get the kill and reversed much earlier hoping for a snapshot and banking on the Jug's ability to soak up 303s until Baldy put one in my melon. :D
October's gettin' close. You got darts? :)
Furball (http://arlogu3.wix.com/vf-17-jolly-rogers/2013_ah_cm_furball#!__2013_ah_cm_furball)
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October's gettin' close. You got darts? :)
http://arlogu3.wix.com/vf-17-jolly-rogers/2013_ah_cm_furball#!__2013_ah_cm_furball
I left them in blighty when I transfered back in 1983. :(
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I left them in blighty when I transfered back in 1983. :(
We'll share then.
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BE comes out swingin!
glad to see one of our Spitfire pilots has such zest for battle!!
When put into context against contemporary planes let them ave it!!!
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I'll try and pick some up before the boondoggle. I just found out yesterday Frau Shifty has to work that Saturday, there goes my designated driver. :(
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I'll try and pick some up before the boondoggle. I just found out yesterday Frau Shifty has to work that Saturday, there goes my designated driver. :(
:(
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Kill em however you like and let HTC sort them out. Whines are just icing on the cake. :aok
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So basically what I should have done according to some of you is try and turn with a plane that turns like a bat and is 10 thousand pounds lighter just to make it a more entertaining fight? I'm sorry but homie don't play dat. I could of very well just dove away and ran to my ack seeing as my field was right under me the whole time. At least I tried to stay in the fight and did what I thought was right at the time to win. But do I get credit for doing that? Funk no. But instead I get insulted by some of you because you would have done it all so much better. You would have made the fight exciting! Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead because I'm a fighter ace!!!
You know, I haven't been flying the 47 exclusively until recently and too am in a learning stage with it as far as what I can and can't do in it. But what I do know about it is it's big and heavy and meant for the high alt fight. Not for slow on the deck scrapping with spitfires. I don't claim to be the best nor do I taught folks on 200 when I win or lose. I saluted BE and what do I get? I'm lame was his response. I think the poor sportsmanship he shown was lame. But that's okay. You all can overlook that.... because what's really important is the fight to show just who is da man is right?
Some of you guys are so wrapped up in your tough guy macho man attitudes that unless everyone does what you would do or fly like you say is correct they are lame or somehow suck. Well I'm sorry some of you were bored, but when you guys start paying my 15 bucks a month to play this game then I'll start making big exciting feature length films to keep you all on the edge of your seats gripping your manhood.
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[snipped] manhood
C'mon, Up, there's no need, from what I can see, to spend this much time or effort defending something you don't hafta. We all know (even the culprits) that online machismo is kinda like being proud of bullying someone's kid sister at church. Having said that, why even bother posting clips? This is not a slam. Just saying that the clip posting and the chest-thumping critiques afterwards are a matching set of pumps.
I like the lot of yas in that clip, btw. :D
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I saluted BE and what do I get? I'm lame was his response. I think the poor sportsmanship he shown was lame.
To be fair my comment was typed and posted as you were posting your salute. At the same time did you really expect someone to salute back after you only grew a pair when they turned away? The salute itself was in bad taste. Had there been no salute I'd have typed my comment and that would have been the end of it.
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(Grumpy, this isn't bout you.)
(Figured I better put in that disclaimer.)
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Super lame.
You should have done the Krupnski/Latrobe/Cobra hybrid tailslide and killed him much faster. :)
Aren't you really thinking of Lepape2? :D
Kill em however you like and let HTC sort them out. Whines are just icing on the cake. :aok
:aok
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pffft.
haven't watched the film but it probably was lame, I mean running from a spit 1 whatever next! man up and grow some!! :D
yup, bruv engaged my spit in his jug not too long ago, although he had alt and such, he mixed it up and it turned out to be a great fight!!!! :aok
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ha I remember that fight, I was like this spit is going die, got into the fight and still wasn't sure whether the spit pilot actually knew what he was doing then your name popped up I was chuckling to myself, SR in a spit and he sucked! :D
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To be fair my comment was typed and posted as you were posting your salute. At the same time did you really expect someone to salute back after you only grew a pair when they turned away? The salute itself was in bad taste. Had there been no salute I'd have typed my comment and that would have been the end of it.
To me I thought you may have not been able to climb anymore and was stalling. That's why I jumped in when I did. Knowing the Spit1 has a carburetor my thinking was your engine shut off. And for the record I do not salute folks to rub their noses in it after they are shot down. That's not my style. I saluted you because of your determination and the fact you were in a early war plane. I'm sorry you took it the wrong way.
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Kids .....
:D
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pffft.
haven't watched the film but it probably was lame, I mean running from a spit 1 whatever next! man up and grow some!! :D
you're such a sweetheart. I killed a dozen spitfires just last night. I manned up and grew a pair when you were still pooping green superstar.
edit: :lol sweetheart? yeah that's what I typed :rolleyes: How do ya get sweetheart out of feminine deodorizer :headscratch:
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All this over killing a Spit I? :lol
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You ask for peoples opinions and then you get ticked off when they give them. What did you expect?
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your right. im tired and going to bed :salute
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I thought it was fair.
my .02
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Lame. Wait...what are we talking about?
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In a GAME winning is the end game, but not the journey, the fight is the journey. Fighting is all about.... well fighting. So from that aspect, it was a lame fight..... and one of the most boring ones I've seen. Like INK said, The spit was as much at fault as Uptown. Turning on the Spit16 and making a 2 vs 1 would have spiced up the fight.
Of course if your here to have a high Kill to death and you enjoy "E" fighting, and climbing to 20K+ (even seeing that in a film scares me!) then more power to ya. For me, I prefer to have half a dozen fights in the same amount of time Uptown did for this one. Win or lose, thats all I'm looking for.
Valid point Fugi :salute
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I m sorry, but refusing to engage a spit one with advantage is lame. It cant kill you with a snapshot if you mess up and it cannot catch you if you disengage. You guys can call it smart flying, your $15, not playing his game, what ever you want. In the end it comes to fear of losing and before you say no, ask yourself if you would have engaged if you thought you could win.
kind of makes the game boring because if people wont engage a spit 1 imagine what they would do vs another fighter.
As for the learning excuse, you learn by trying not by avoiding so, good luck with that one.
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I m sorry, but refusing to engage a spit one with advantage is lame. It cant kill you with a snapshot if you mess up and it cannot catch you if you disengage. You guys can call it smart flying, your $15, not playing his game, what ever you want. In the end it comes to fear of losing and before you say no, ask yourself if you would have engaged if you thought you could win.
kind of makes the game boring because if people wont engage a spit 1 imagine what they would do vs another fighter.
As for the learning excuse, you learn by trying not by avoiding so, good luck with that one.
See? The other pump. :D
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The Ratio tailslide would have been suitable. :rolleyes:
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The Ratio tailslide would have been suitable. :rolleyes:
changed your name eh?
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The Ratio tailslide would have been suitable. :rolleyes:
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If every fight like this in AH warranted posting and discussion, the world will run out of bandwidth in no time at all.
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changed your name eh?
You are only two tours late.
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You are my minion.
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You are my minion.
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SR in a spit and he sucked! :D
ha!!! ...but noone could hear you in the tower!!
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I m sorry, but refusing to engage a spit one with advantage is lame. It cant kill you with a snapshot if you mess up and it cannot catch you if you disengage. You guys can call it smart flying, your $15, not playing his game, what ever you want. In the end it comes to fear of losing and before you say no, ask yourself if you would have engaged if you thought you could win.
kind of makes the game boring because if people wont engage a spit 1 imagine what they would do vs another fighter.
As for the learning excuse, you learn by trying not by avoiding so, good luck with that one.
What you guys are forgetting is that most of us don't have countless hours and thousands of sorties in the DA. Hell I never even owned a computer until 3 years after you registered on the BBS.
What I learn I learn by trial and error in the MA and watching what others do. Of course I don't want to lose a dogfight.....who does? You're the same way or you wouldn't have spent the time you have learning and polishing your ACM over the years. So who here is really the one's that doesn't want to lose a dogfight?
From where I sit I see a clique of guys that specialize in dueling and then come to the boards and ridicule others about how crappy they fly. If you guys are really the authority on how to win fights, you'd all be flying Early war planes instead of these KI84s, K4s, 262s and LA7s I see you all in. When was the last time any of you flew a I16 or a P40 in the main arena?
Come to think of it I can't count how many times I've seen the Muppets do the same exact thing to guys in their K4s yet they aren't labeled "lame". Guys like TonyJoey you all hold up as a shining example of awesome skills when in reality all he does is pick the outside of furballs in a 51 and holding a 43 to 1 K/D :lol Then when he comes to the BBS you all can't tell him..... and the rest of us enough just how great he is :lol C'mon man!
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gotta love the Muppet hate......
you asked for opinions...you got what you asked for......and that upset you :headscratch:
and any muppet who was fighting that spit would have turned on him and killed him....or died trying.... :uhoh
....besides I thought my response was very much none "ridicule".
obviously the truth is hard to handle for most.
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What you guys are forgetting is that most of us don't have countless hours and thousands of sorties in the DA. Hell I never even owned a computer until 3 years after you registered on the BBS.
What I learn I learn by trial and error in the MA and watching what others do. Of course I don't want to lose a dogfight.....who does? You're the same way or you wouldn't have spent the time you have learning and polishing your ACM over the years. So who here is really the one's that doesn't want to lose a dogfight?
From where I sit I see a clique of guys that specialize in dueling and then come to the boards and ridicule others about how crappy they fly. If you guys are really the authority on how to win fights, you'd all be flying Early war planes instead of these KI84s, K4s, 262s and LA7s I see you all in. When was the last time any of you flew a I16 or a P40 in the main arena?
Come to think of it I can't count how many times I've seen the Muppets do the same exact thing to guys in their K4s yet they aren't labeled "lame". Guys like TonyJoey you all hold up as a shining example of awesome skills when in reality all he does is pick the outside of furballs in a 51 and holding a 43 to 1 K/D :lol Then when he comes to the BBS you all can't tell him..... and the rest of us enough just how great he is :lol C'mon man!
The thing about TJ is that he does it so with minimal trash talk. Most pickers will troll their lives away just because they didn't die. Also, TJ is well enough to hold his own in a fight. It is the same way with Bruv. Bruv will pick all day, because he can. If you were to get him alone I guarantee you would have a hard time fighting him because he uses your plane disadvantages against you. TJ fights the same way. Some call it "lame" some may not. I don't care in all honesty. TJ has killed me in that stupid blue nose P51 a few times, I just re-up and chase him home. I have only fought Bruv in KOTH, never in the MA. I run into The Few before I run into Bruv.
It is how you do the picking that makes it lame I guess. Like some pickers are just that bad, all they do is pick and they do it because they can't fight. Not to call anyone out or anything but a lot of squads do it as a group, but that is what wingmates are for. To clear your six. For example:
The Few
Anti Hording Squad
4th FG Debden
Jokers Jokers
56th FG
Yeah, even your squad does it. I named these squads because I have been killed by them first hand due to picking, not because I have anything against you'll. Great squadrons they are, ( well maybe not JJ's but that is a different conversation :P ).
Being lame is pretty much someone who doesn't fly how you want them to fly. So everyone in Aces High is lame to me because I want everyone to fly straight and level so I can haz the eazy killz.
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gotta love the Muppet hate......
you asked for opinions...you got what you asked for......and that upset you :headscratch:
and any muppet who was fighting that spit would have turned on him and killed him....or died trying.... :uhoh
....besides I thought my response was very much none "ridicule".
obviously the truth is hard to handle for most.
I don't hate on the Muppets and I agree you would have turned and killed him sooner probably.If I were in a KI84 sure I'd of turned more. If I were in a K4 sure I would have taken him up faster. But I wasn't. But that also goes back to what I said about the countless DA hours you guys put in. I've heard your opinions and now I'm responding to them as I think what I did what perfectly okay and in no way lame. Must I be lame because I didn't handle the fight as you would? You yourself have said in the past no two dogfights are alike.
Ink you told me one time in the DA when I was ina 47 to grab a KI84 because it was something better suited for a dogfight....you remember that? I do. So what all of the sudden makes this situation different? You guys act as if I should be ashamed of not giving BE a easy kill. Because that's what it would have been. I had 100% fuel and was at 150 ias when the leveled out spit1 was in sight. I really wish I could see how any of you would of handled that situation. Because apparently you guys have all the answers to every dogfight that comes your way. No matter the matchup or alt you've got it handled.
P.S. I'm not upset but rather quite surprised and disappointed that some of you think that using my planes advantage in that particular way is somehow wrong. Should I have dove away giving him alt advantage too ?
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I don't hate on the Muppets and I agree you would have turned and killed him sooner probably.If I were in a KI84 sure I'd of turned more. If I were in a K4 sure I would have taken him up faster. But I wasn't. But that also goes back to what I said about the countless DA hours you guys put in. I've heard your opinions and now I'm responding to them as I think what I did what perfectly okay and in no way lame. Must I be lame because I didn't handle the fight as you would? You yourself have said in the past no two dogfights are alike.
Ink you told me one time in the DA when I was ina 47 to grab a KI84 because it was something better suited for a dogfight....you remember that? I do. So what all of the sudden makes this situation different? You guys act as if I should be ashamed of not giving BE a easy kill. Because that's what it would have been. I had 100% fuel and was at 150 ias when the leveled out spit1 was in sight. I really wish I could see how any of you would of handled that situation. Because apparently you guys have all the answers to every dogfight that comes your way. No matter the matchup or alt you've got it handled.
if you re-read my first response you will see I did not say you did anything wrong.....I even said he cant expect you to turn with his spit1.... :confused: (BTW there are other ways to win the fight then just turning)
it was boring...that is the truth......
I die all the time.... just about every sortie....so...no I don't care about dieing in any way or losing a fight....yes I would have tried to kill him for sure....and if I loose...what the hell does it matter...I get a brand new plane every time.... :aok
the more you try to win...the more you will win.....you did not try to win the fight...you tried to stay alive...
then again some think staying "alive" is "winning" :rolleyes:
I think actually fighting is winning whether I "win" the fight or not....
again though you know these boards......you get what you ask...you asked for opinions on whether its lame or not...you got that. :D
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What you guys are forgetting is that most of us don't have countless hours and thousands of sorties in the DA. Hell I never even owned a computer until 3 years after you registered on the BBS.
What I learn I learn by trial and error in the MA and watching what others do. Of course I don't want to lose a dogfight.....who does? You're the same way or you wouldn't have spent the time you have learning and polishing your ACM over the years. So who here is really the one's that doesn't want to lose a dogfight?
From where I sit I see a clique of guys that specialize in dueling and then come to the boards and ridicule others about how crappy they fly. If you guys are really the authority on how to win fights, you'd all be flying Early war planes instead of these KI84s, K4s, 262s and LA7s I see you all in. When was the last time any of you flew a I16 or a P40 in the main arena?
Come to think of it I can't count how many times I've seen the Muppets do the same exact thing to guys in their K4s yet they aren't labeled "lame". Guys like TonyJoey you all hold up as a shining example of awesome skills when in reality all he does is pick the outside of furballs in a 51 and holding a 43 to 1 K/D :lol Then when he comes to the BBS you all can't tell him..... and the rest of us enough just how great he is :lol C'mon man!
you miss understood me. I never said anything about not wanting to lose a fight. I said afraid of loosing a fight. Big difference. Check my score, I lose more than I win.
As for the LA7, it is the only way I can catch people in the MA.
P40, I used to fly it regularly but the one ping flap damage got old. Not sure if it has been fixed.
My point remains the same. You can only learn by trying, not avoiding. You can spend countless hours climbing and avoiding or you can spend them fighting. Thats is your choice but dont blame me for the choice you made.
Finally, you asked and I responded. Nothing to be upset about. It is only an opinion on one fight.
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Although I may not always agree with some of your opinions coughstayingaliveisn'twinningcough I do respect them my friend. Same goes for Dedalos and that fancy British dude. :D :salute
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Although I may not always agree with some of your opinions coughstayingaliveisn'twinningcough I do respect them my friend. Same goes for Dedalos and that fancy British dude. :D :salute
:rofl :rofl :rofl :aok :salute
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the one time I think "surviving" is "winning" is FSO :aok or any one life event.
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For years I flew in the MA, DA, FSO, Scenarios blah blah. Playing the game how you spend your $15 is all that matters as for now I really have none - most of the achievements I've completed some point or another, there is nothing left to prove in Aces other then have some fun until I quit again due to life.
/I really don't even have any goals left to fill in aces I literally accomplished everything I wanted, fact is I just want to fly a few more FSOs and zip around the MA until either life craps on me again or I end up walking away for good, but frankly I'm glad I came back because I paid way to much damn money for these Thrustmasters, if someone wants some goals to accomplish I can give a few - but frankly thats what the damn achievements are for LOL
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Although I may not always agree with some of your opinions coughstayingaliveisn'twinningcough I do respect them my friend. Same goes for Dedalos and that fancy British dude. :D :salute
Dont listen to Ink. He flies Ki84s. They suck :old:
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Seems no matter how much you want to find a fight, you will not be able to find it from some.
That's not a statement about your film. Shortly after you two were arguing on 200 about it and the reset, I was trying to get an La7 to fight me. I was in a TBM, was already pinged by ack a couple of times and here this La7 runs away from me. He came in, let out a short cannon burst which he landed a couple. Now I'm there with fuel leaking and he tries to BnZ a couple of times and doesn't get the proper angle, after that he runs away. Mind you his base was close, I was the only con in his sector for the last 10mins prior and this was when all of 20 Knights and 20 Rooks were on vs. the 35 Bish and most were gv'ing giving the lack of darbar, i.e. there was no other fight to be found anywhere around us. Yet he flew away. His dar was up and knew where I was when he took off (I took out the dar shortly before he visually located me.)
Point is he was after me and refused to fight a TBM in an La7. He put a couple of cannon in me and flew away because he couldn't get a BnZ angle. Furthermore, he's a top 200 ranked ftr with ~150kills/150sorties and 70 assists. Someone like that shouldn't be running away from a twin50 armed plane..but hey I couldn't make it any more uneven for me and nor can I make him come back and fight me...ppl are always going to play how they want to.
I know who it was because I was out of fuel, I made it inside my dar ring but had to bail and he got the kill, waiting for it on the runway/rearming I suppose.
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Seems no matter how much you want to find a fight, you will not be able to find it from some.
That's not a statement about your film. Shortly after you two were arguing on 200 about it and the reset, I was trying to get an La7 to fight me. I was in a TBM, was already pinged by ack a couple of times and here this La7 runs away from me. He came in, let out a short cannon burst which he landed a couple. Now I'm there with fuel leaking and he tries to BnZ a couple of times and doesn't get the proper angle, after that he runs away. Mind you his base was close, I was the only con in his sector for the last 10mins prior and this was when all of 20 Knights and 20 Rooks were on vs. the 35 Bish and most were gv'ing giving the lack of darbar, i.e. there was no other fight to be found anywhere around us. Yet he flew away. His dar was up and knew where I was when he took off (I took out the dar shortly before he visually located me.)
Point is he was after me and refused to fight a TBM in an La7. He put a couple of cannon in me and flew away because he couldn't get a BnZ angle. Furthermore, he's a top 200 ranked ftr with ~150kills/150sorties and 70 assists. Someone like that shouldn't be running away from a twin50 armed plane..but hey I couldn't make it any more uneven for me and nor can I make him come back and fight me...ppl are always going to play how they want to.
I know who it was because I was out of fuel, I made it inside my dar ring but had to bail and he got the kill, waiting for it on the runway/rearming I suppose.
Wow... That is.. sad. Really sad. :(
Fear da TBMZ! :lol
Tinkles
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What you guys are forgetting is that most of us don't have countless hours and thousands of sorties in the DA. Hell I never even owned a computer until 3 years after you registered on the BBS.
What I learn I learn by trial and error in the MA and watching what others do. Of course I don't want to lose a dogfight.....who does? You're the same way or you wouldn't have spent the time you have learning and polishing your ACM over the years. So who here is really the one's that doesn't want to lose a dogfight?
From where I sit I see a clique of guys that specialize in dueling and then come to the boards and ridicule others about how crappy they fly. If you guys are really the authority on how to win fights, you'd all be flying Early war planes instead of these KI84s, K4s, 262s and LA7s I see you all in. When was the last time any of you flew a I16 or a P40 in the main arena?
Come to think of it I can't count how many times I've seen the Muppets do the same exact thing to guys in their K4s yet they aren't labeled "lame". Guys like TonyJoey you all hold up as a shining example of awesome skills when in reality all he does is pick the outside of furballs in a 51 and holding a 43 to 1 K/D :lol Then when he comes to the BBS you all can't tell him..... and the rest of us enough just how great he is :lol C'mon man!
Now, to be fair, you asked what people thought. Dedalos' observation that a P-47 should be able to defeat a Spit I, even in a close-in fight, shouldn't be rejected simply because he has more experience than we do.
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Dont listen to Ink. He flies Ki84s. They suck :old:
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So basically what I should have done according to some of you is try and turn with a plane that turns like a bat and is 10 thousand pounds lighter just to make it a more entertaining fight? I'm sorry but homie don't play dat. I could of very well just dove away and ran to my ack seeing as my field was right under me the whole time. At least I tried to stay in the fight and did what I thought was right at the time to win. But do I get credit for doing that? Funk no. But instead I get insulted by some of you because you would have done it all so much better. You would have made the fight exciting! Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead because I'm a fighter ace!!!
You know, I haven't been flying the 47 exclusively until recently and too am in a learning stage with it as far as what I can and can't do in it. But what I do know about it is it's big and heavy and meant for the high alt fight. Not for slow on the deck scrapping with spitfires. I don't claim to be the best nor do I taught folks on 200 when I win or lose. I saluted BE and what do I get? I'm lame was his response. I think the poor sportsmanship he shown was lame. But that's okay. You all can overlook that.... because what's really important is the fight to show just who is da man is right?
Some of you guys are so wrapped up in your tough guy macho man attitudes that unless everyone does what you would do or fly like you say is correct they are lame or somehow suck. Well I'm sorry some of you were bored, but when you guys start paying my 15 bucks a month to play this game then I'll start making big exciting feature length films to keep you all on the edge of your seats gripping your manhood.
don't get me wrong, i personally think what you did is fine
but you asked people to post their opinions, and now you're getting upset because some of the posted opinions are against you :headscratch:
did you just want an excuse to have a rant? u drunk again bro?
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First, i havent seen the film as i dont have AH on my puter now.
But i wouldnt dogfight against a Spitfire I in my Dora - just saying. Would let him be and would look for an other, more suitable target though.
Other thing, i wouldnt up a Spitfire of any kind for the Gods sake.
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First, i havent seen the film as i dont have AH on my puter now.
But i wouldnt dogfight against a Spitfire I in my Dora - just saying. Would let him be and would look for an other, more suitable target though.
Other thing, i wouldnt up a Spitfire of any kind for the Gods sake.
lol, Dora and dogfight in the same post :O
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lol, Dora and dogfight in the same post :O
Let me get some money, resub, and you might see the art of the suicide :lol
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I did not see the film. Can't be bothered.
However, I can comment this: when two very different planes meet, like a spit I and a P47, if there is no fight it is just as often the fault of the slow turny plane. Yes, the slow plane and not the fast one. If you want the P47 to fight you, give him room to turn back. I know that if a zeke, brew, KI43 etc. are following me (let say in P47 or mossie) 800 yards out, all they will get to see is me mooning them out of the rear window and I wouldn't mind dragging them across the entire map just to spite. Boring to you? good! break away, give me 2.0k separation and I will turn back to fight you even from a moderate disadvantage. Then again, be sure that all you will get is about two moves in which either I kill the slow plan, die, or try to dive and pull away again.
The turny plane has no right to complain unless he accepts fighting from a disadvantage. That is written in the small captions when you sign on the plane in the hangar. Why does he expect the P47 to fight from an absolute disadvantage? If the P47 is flying 3k above you and refuses to engage - then complain.
disclaimer:
I may choose not to engage even with separation and/or advantage under the following circumstances: low on fuel, out of ammo/only 303 guns, squadmate needs help, I must go AFK, or I can't be bothered.
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I did not see the film. Can't be bothered.
However, I can comment this: when two very different planes meet, like a spit I and a P47, if there is no fight it is just as often the fault of the slow turny plane. Yes, the slow plane and not the fast one. If you want the P47 to fight you, give him room to turn back. I know that if a zeke, brew, KI43 etc. are following me (let say in P47 or mossie) 800 yards out, all they will get to see is me mooning them out of the rear window and I wouldn't mind dragging them across the entire map just to spite. Boring to you? good! break away, give me 2.0k separation and I will turn back to fight you even from a moderate disadvantage. Then again, be sure that all you will get is about two moves in which either I kill the slow plan, die, or try to dive and pull away again.
The turny plane has no right to complain unless he accepts fighting from a disadvantage. That is written in the small captions when you sign on the plane in the hangar. Why does he expect the P47 to fight from an absolute disadvantage? If the P47 is flying 3k above you and refuses to engage - then complain.
disclaimer:
I may choose not to engage even with separation and/or advantage under the following circumstances: low on fuel, out of ammo/only 303 guns, squadmate needs help, I must go AFK, or I can't be bothered.
you are correct. You did not watch the film :old:
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If the P47 is flying 3k above you and refuses to engage - then complain.
This characterizes my most recent encounter with Uptown. He had an alt advantage but refused to come down so that he may fly to the Jug's strengths up higher, so as he said "Why don't you come on up?" I extended out, climbed, and shot him up pretty good. I haven't watched the OP film, but my impression is that it seems that you are a little too wary to engage in a fight not perfectly suited for the Jug. If you have an alt advantage in a 1v1, you should press that advantage and be aggressive. Being timid and refusing to press the advantage when you have it can definitely be detrimental to your survival, if that is what you seek to do. However, on the other hand, I totally understand extending and not turning into a better turning plane's gunsight if he is locked onto you at 800-1.5k.
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You are only two tours late.
You are my minion.
I took looking at your avatar and a bit of beer to make the connection :rofl :rofl
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Uptown is not the bestest pilot out there, but he gave me a decent fight almost every time, let it be 109vs38 or 190vs38/51, as far as my senile mind can remember.
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This characterizes my most recent encounter with Uptown. He had an alt advantage but refused to come down so that he may fly to the Jug's strengths up higher, so as he said "Why don't you come on up?" I extended out, climbed, and shot him up pretty good. I haven't watched the OP film, but my impression is that it seems that you are a little too wary to engage in a fight not perfectly suited for the Jug. If you have an alt advantage in a 1v1, you should press that advantage and be aggressive. Being timid and refusing to press the advantage when you have it can definitely be detrimental to your survival, if that is what you seek to do. However, on the other hand, I totally understand extending and not turning into a better turning plane's gunsight if he is locked onto you at 800-1.5k.
I remember that day. I knew it was you down there low and if I know anything I know you don't do anything unless you have an ace up your sleeve TJ. The first thing I thought when I seen you down low heading the direction to your field is you were trying to drag me down low so that the higher cons lifting from your base could bounce me. My idea was to stay high and get a few rather than blow all my alt to maybe get one. And sure enough I was right... 2 or 3 co alt cons kept me defensive until you extended and got co alt with me to take one of my flaps. ;) I wouldn't consider myself a timid flyer by any means, cautious or wary...yes. But one thing I am not is noob stupid. :)
Two bulls sitting on top of a hill looking down at a herd of cows. The young excited bull says, I'm going to charge down there and screw the hell out of that cow. The old bull says, "be patience and just watch for a while and you can have your way with all of them in due time."
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Uptown is not the bestest pilot out there, but he gave me a decent fight almost every time, let it be 109vs38 or 190vs38/51, as far as my senile mind can remember.
Thank you DeBrody. :salute
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Myself I personally think I did the right thing by making my opponent fight my fight and not his. If that's lame then I'm guilty.
Film of the engagement ------>http://www.mediafire.com/?949z0jd83dm57gq
I feel asleep at 3:00 in. I'll wait until it comes out on DVD. :)
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Trying to provide a different perspective, here's my take on this film: (OH NO, BUSTER-ESQUE WALL OF TEXT!)
This is NOT a lame fight. For those of you with ADD, you can stop reading here. For those who are learning, or like to analyse fights or are interested in plane performance, the rest might be interesting.
This is a climbing, high altitude fight. To many, it may be a protracted, boring fight, but it is a very good example of how differing aircraft performance plays a role in fights, especially at alt. If you actually watch the film (and it's laughable how many comments came from those who DIDN'T watch the full film), if you watch it from the perspective of looking for the gaps in speed and climb, it is actually kind of interesting. In fact, if you were told in advance that the fight would be a climbing fight ranging from 19K up to 26K (and took WEP out of the equation), you could actually look at the plane performance charts and see where the turning point of the energy fight will likely come.
First off, for those that say Uptown didn't try to engage the Spit -- you should try watching the film again. The Spit starts 960 yards on Uptown's six o'clock WITH a 400 foot altitude advantage. Uptown doesn't clearly start with the upper hand here. He has no angle, and a minor speed advantage of 135 MPH, which he (wisely) uses to extend and climb. The Spit is actually out-climbing him when he goes straight vertical and drops flaps to TURN INTO THE SPIT. Oh, look, he actually DID TURN INTO THE SPIT. TWICE, in fact, both times from less than 1.5K away.
However, after both merges the Spit is actually winning position AND narrowing the energy gap. After the SECOND merge the Spit is 500 feet ABOVE his P-47 and Uptown's speed difference has dropped to +33mph. (In other words, the Spit is winning angles while narrowing the energy gap each turn). When Uptown begins his long climbing extension, the Spit is 760 yards away ON HIS SIX and Uptown only has a measly 10mph speed advantage (at about 1:15 into the fight). A plane with 50cals, may have pinged him here and maybe have gotten a lucky damaging shot. He clearly doesn't have a distinct ADVANTAGE, anywhere at the beginning of this fight.
So, what do you do when you are nearly CO-E with a Spit 760 yards on your six? Continue turning with them? Sure you do, because you are all about the fight.
Or maybe you would use your airplane's speed advantage to extend and gain a bit of energy? Uptown does this, deciding to climb. At 19K without WEP, he has NO climb rate advantage on the Spit1. Even with WEP it will take a couple minutes of climbing to gain 1500-2000 feet on the Spit. This is essentially the BORING part of the fight, but if you STAY TUNED, this is also where it get's INTERESTING.
Let's ignore the Spit16 trying to climb up to the Spit 1, as it never was a factor (just as BE said, so he ignored it too). If anything, it made the climbing part longer as Uptown is also turning. So, lets skip the boring and irrelevant part and fast forward to where the Spit1 and P47N reach about 25K - if you're still with me, start the film at 4:15. Notice at that stage how much more quickly the gap increases, even though Uptown is TURNING back into the Spit (again). Now go look at the Speed and Climb Rate charts for these two planes -- notice how much the Speed and Climb Rate gaps increase between 20K to 25K. Once he has lured the Spit1 up to 25K, Uptown is rapidly able to gain that E advantage which he quickly uses to turn into the Spit and kill it.
Isn't that exactly what you're doing when you bait that "stupid Pony" into trying to turn or zoom climb with you by "giving him your six" when you're in a Ki-84 or 109K-4? Yeah, it pretty much is. It just doesn't take 3 minutes to do it. So, then it would be OK for the Pony pilot to call you lame for "making" him climb with you, because you didn't fight him how he wanted, right?
In my opinion it is not "lame" to avoid your enemy's strengths and instead get him to play into your strengths. Everyone tries to do that -- just in different ways.
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if you're still with me, start the film at 4:15. Notice at that stage how much more quickly the gap increases, even though Uptown is TURNING back into the Spit (again). Now go look at the Speed and Climb Rate charts for these two planes -- notice how much the Speed and Climb Rate gaps increase between 20K to 25K. Once he has lured the Spit1 up to 25K, Uptown is rapidly able to gain that E advantage which he quickly uses to turn into the Spit and kill it.
The only part you missed was that I turned away from him before he turned to me and as I pushed the nose down to disengage I killed the engine. That would definitely make the speed and climb rates change a lot.
It would have been completely different if he had turned into me while I was still trying to follow him.
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The only part you missed was that I turned away from him before he turned to me and as I pushed the nose down to disengage I killed the engine. That would definitely make the speed and climb rates change a lot.
It would have been completely different if he had turned into me while I was still trying to follow him.
Actually, I watched the film pretty closely from all 3 perspectives (yours, his and the Spit16's) and I don't think I missed what you are referring to.
From 4:15 to about 5:00 you continue to follow him up, and it is here that he builds the greatest separation, which was kind of my point about the pronounced gap in performance at that altitude.
If you watch from his perspective from 4:50 to 5:00 and pause at the 5:00 mark (when you've nosed down) he already has rolled about 75-80 degrees back into you with his lift vector almost pointed back to you (about 80-degrees of turn back into you). It appears like he decided he had enough separation to turn at around 4:50, and has committed to to turning back in well BEFORE your engine conks out.
I think you recognized about then that the position was getting bad and you started to get out. It was fortuitous timing for him that your engine conked then, because he had set up the attack already. I could also see where from your perspective it did seem like he attacked after you turned, since the kill shot was about 15 seconds later. But in watching the film it looks to me like he started the turn and committed to the attack well before you nosed down and rolled right.
My view on it, anyway.
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The only part you missed was that I turned away from him before he turned to me and as I pushed the nose down to disengage I killed the engine. That would definitely make the speed and climb rates change a lot.
It would have been completely different if he had turned into me while I was still trying to follow him.
You fought, you lost, you died, you whined now get over it.
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Aztec is the Wolfpack's Public Relations Officer (PAO) :rock
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Kingpen,
Thank you for stating the facts. It is kind of refreshing! :O
Ammo
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