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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: MiloMorai on September 08, 2013, 06:53:49 PM
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Anyone watching this on TV?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v2SLU_rlEA&feature=c4-overview&list=UU0gzXt1Ms4WVQ7tyGgjTmqA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v2SLU_rlEA&feature=c4-overview&list=UU0gzXt1Ms4WVQ7tyGgjTmqA)
AC72 Principal Dimension
Hull Length 22 m (72.2 ft)
Maximum Beam 14 m (45.9 ft)
Mast Height 40 m (131.2 ft)
Maximum Draft 4.40 m (14.4 ft)
Displacement 5900 kg (13007.2 pd)
Wing Area 260 sq m (2798.6 sq ft)
Jib Area 80 sq m (861.1 sq ft)
Gennaker Area 320 sq m (3444.5 sq ft)
Crew 11 people
Top speed ~45mph
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I quit following the cup when they went multi-hull.
shamus
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I've never even heard of that before but that was awesome! Those boats were literally flying!
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I've never even heard of that before but that was awesome! Those boats were literally flying!
What happens when they do a nose stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFjxEfg_mEw&list=TLGdKJiALBGPs9DIt6aig5qVWIyAbN0SJ5
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Those guys are freakin good at that stuff... during training on the Waitamata Harbour they were zipping in and around all the yachts and fizz boats ther was not much room to move...infact the skippers of all the yachts were complaining to the harbour master due to not being able to get into positon for the race start due to so many vessels in and on the course.... it was unreal watching them...it was Auckland anniversary day regatta so there was boats everywhere, they estimated between 9 & 10000... and next to no wind....(we were having to use the motor at some stages just to maneuver enough not to hit other boats)..... at one point Dean Barker had his (these boats are freaks they turn the slightest wind into energy) .. ....bow pointed straight at us...came to within a distance that I could have leaned out and touched it and turned it around and in behind and past us...And he just looks and smiles while we are all thinking uhoh...this wont be good....(well I was..the skipper was just saying watch this)
Once the wind picked up a bit and we got out of the bustle....just watching those guys work was amazing..
It is a pity the Americas cup is such a political thing...ruins it for me personally....they just try and find dirt on people...it is worse than this BBS can be. :D
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I quit following the cup when they went multi-hull.
shamus
Too bad, it's faster then it has ever been and the racing is closer than it has ever been. I would like to see them make each race longer, more legs to complete because the boats are so fast it's over inless than half the time than it was with single hull designs. I've always thought that it should be the best crews with the fastest boats they could make. This is unlimited racing. There are still plenty of classes of sailboat racing where mono hulls compete against each other.
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its a great watch...its turning in to a race now..
c`mon the kiwis
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be fun to watch if they where in sail boats, not space craft.......yawn :frown:
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I quit following the cup when they went multi-hull.
shamus
+1 This isn't yacht racing, it's catamaran racing. They killed the sport in 1983 when they allowed Australia to redefine what was a 12 meter yacht. That was the slippery slope that led to this.
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+1 This isn't yacht racing, it's catamaran racing. They killed the sport in 1983 when they allowed Australia to redefine what was a 12 meter yacht. That was the slippery slope that led to this.
Indy should go back to front engine cars and a riding mechanic.
GP/F1 racing was killed when it went to rear engines and wings.
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Indy should go back to front engine cars and a riding mechanic.
GP/F1 racing was killed when it went to rear engines and wings.
When Indy starts running on 2 wheels that argument will be valid.
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Wow, that's a lot of sail :aok
Look at the listed square feet.
:cheers: Oz
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+1 This isn't yacht racing, it's catamaran racing. They killed the sport in 1983 when they allowed Australia to redefine what was a 12 meter yacht. That was the slippery slope that led to this.
So true, I raced one design mono hulls up to the national level back in the 70's. I also spent enough time in Hobie's and Tornado's to know the difference between multi/mono hulls. You are right the 12 meter days were the heyday of the sport, crews mattered then.
Might as well enter F-16's in the Reno race and say "hey its for unlimited aircraft right?".
shamus
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The main point of racing in any sport promotes the development of faster vehicles. At some point constraints must be put in place if the vehicle developed is too fast for the venue. An example of that would be restrictor plates in nascar racing, or in MotoGP racing, the downsizing of engines as the motorcycles exceed the safety parameters of the tracks. Unlimited aircraft racing has it's constraints also, one of them being it must be a piston driven aircraft. The governing body of America's Cup racing made a decision to not exclude multi hulled craft from its design constraints. Just like at one point they decided that 12 meters would be the maximum hull length. As I stated before, there are plenty of mono hull classes that you can still compete in if that is your definition of the purist sport of sailing.
The multi hulled designs have not exceeded safety concerns, nor is there a concern that the speeds have exceeded the safety concerns of the venues they are held in. The developments that the America's Cup bring forth trickle down to many aspects of the sport of sailing and are judged by those that make the rules to be included in allowable specifications or not. You guys meak it sound like the multi-hulls have ruined the sport and that is where we differ. They have changed the sport, yes, but there are many like me who want to see what man can do with sails, wind and water and just how far and how fast we can go with it. There is no doubt that the America's Cup is an event that brings enough excitement that the general public will turn out in droves to watch it and support it. Many of those spectators will be inspired to purchase their own craft and join in on the fun that can be had sailing all over the world.
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US is only mad because the Aussies or Kiwi's always seem to win it :rofl :rofl
:cheers: Oz
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US is only mad because the Aussies or Kiwi's always seem to win it :rofl :rofl
:cheers: Oz
:rofl
So how many times AUS and NZ won, and how many times US?
Oh yeah!
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NZ up 6 to 1 over USA. Three more wins for NZ and the Cup goes back to NZ.
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:rofl
So how many times AUS and NZ won, and how many times US?
Oh yeah!
Proportionally to how many times we've competed we're doing pretty well ;)
But then again the US is not that experienced in competing in 'world cups' where anyone but themselves turn up :devil
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Proportionally to how many times we've competed we're doing pretty well ;)
Not really. NYYC has 25 wins and 1 loss, RPYC has record of 1 win and 3 losses and RNZYS 2-2, soon to be 3 wins, 2 losses. That's 4th in winning percentage, behind the NYYC (25-1), SDYC (3-1) and SNDG (2-1)
But then again the US is not that experienced in competing in 'world cups' where anyone but themselves turn up :devil
It's called America's Cup :neener:
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Not really. NYYC has 25 wins and 1 loss, RPYC has record of 1 win and 3 losses and RNZYS 2-2, soon to be 3 wins, 2 losses. That's 4th in winning percentage, behind the NYYC (25-1), SDYC (3-1) and SNDG (2-1)
It's called America's Cup :neener:
Urgh, I guess I gave too much credit to Kiwis. Must be one of the biggest chokes in history of sports.
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Not choked. The US team just finally figured out how to race their boat.
Last I remember a 12 meter boat didn't ever have to be a single hull. It just had to go by the formula. They would have DQ'ed a boat that outclassed the rest but it just had to be 12 meter or under. Hell they raced a tri-hull not to long ago. Would be interesting to see if they could foil a single hull.
I don't think they could go fast enough to lift it out of the water.
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So US won. Surprise, surprise :rock
:cheers: Oz
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Not choked. The US team just finally figured out how to race their boat.
Last I remember a 12 meter boat didn't ever have to be a single hull. It just had to go by the formula. They would have DQ'ed a boat that outclassed the rest but it just had to be 12 meter or under. Hell they raced a tri-hull not to long ago. Would be interesting to see if they could foil a single hull.
I don't think they could go fast enough to lift it out of the water.
If I recall the AC boats in '87 had a winged keel, but they weren't intended to lift the boat out of the water but to instead enable the boat to carry more sail for a given wind condition.
Real surprised that the Americans were able to pull this one out as in the first few matches they seemed outclassed by the Kiwi's.
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If I recall the AC boats in '87 had a winged keel, but they weren't intended to lift the boat out of the water but to instead enable the boat to carry more sail for a given wind condition.
It was allowing that winged keel that led us down the slippery slope to the "flying cats" we have today. It is not 12 Meter yacht racing, it is my $100,000,000M computer design vs your $100,000,000M computer design. Ever wonder why there's only 4 boats now?
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NZ up 6 to 1 over USA. Three more wins for NZ and the Cup goes back to NZ.
But it stays here. Poor Kiwis.
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Urgh, I guess I gave too much credit to Kiwis. Must be one of the biggest chokes in history of sports.
Nah, last race illustrated the american boat was just to fast... the automated foil system definitely gave it the edge - it's debatable whether an electrical automated trimming system is in the spirit of yachting but it had already been declared legal. Ironically there are a lot of kiwi's behind the design and build of the USA boat (word is they flew a 30 person boat design team over from NZ when oracle was losing).
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Its ironic that 4 of the crew members on the US boat including the captain are Australian.
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Ever wonder why there's only 4 boats now?
There are more. Don't forget Louis Vuitton cup. And they also have smaller class for America's cup world series.
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Nah, last race illustrated the american boat was just to fast... the automated foil system definitely gave it the edge - it's debatable whether an electrical automated trimming system is in the spirit of yachting but it had already been declared legal. Ironically there are a lot of kiwi's behind the design and build of the USA boat (word is they flew a 30 person boat design team over from NZ when oracle was losing).
You and Milo should have an "Excusemakers Cuddling Slumber Party". The Kiwi's choked.
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You and Milo should have an "Excusemakers Cuddling Slumber Party". The Kiwi's choked.
Where did I make an excuse post?
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If it makes anyone happier, I raced a one-design monohull, this past weekend, for 12 miles in Norfolk, VA...
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Boat/Race/DSC01760_zps901eb97f.jpg) (http://s239.photobucket.com/user/tymekeepyr/media/Boat/Race/DSC01760_zps901eb97f.jpg.html)
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....and capsized it......
:bolt:
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....and capsized it......
:bolt:
At the end, as I was passing between the mark and the committee boat.
I still finished, dammit!!! :furious
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Mutineer's are cool. I used to race a Pintail in mixed regatta's with them and CL-16's.
shamus
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Mutineer's are cool. I used to race a Pintail in mixed regatta's with them and CL-16's.
shamus
Pintails are pretty cool. Just about the same size as a Mutt, only a foot shorter and narrower.
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Weeeeee
(http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo82/bzavasnik/Clint-Boyer-Upside-Down-Daytona-500_display_image_zps5675f153.jpg)
:rofl
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I've read that only one American was in the crew when the US boat finished.
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You and Milo should have an "Excusemakers Cuddling Slumber Party". The Kiwi's choked.
uh huh:
Larry] Ellison paid 10 expert composite boatbuilders to fly from NZ 10 days ago.
He gave them each $250,000 to get on the plane and a guarantee of another $250,000 if they win. They effectively rebuilt the boat. They also installed a device that up until then was just being trialled.
Nothing to lose. It is an analogue dial that is connected to sensors that indicates the best foil positions for the current conditions. Speed, pressure force, aspect etc. all the guys on the boat need to do is to match the position of a matching dial pointer by using the hydraulic pressure pumps (handles) and match the two pointers up. Very fast adjustment for every condition.
Team NZ need to trial and adjust and see how the boat responds then go again. All trial and error.
Oracle have streamlined with stunning results with the rebuild.
It was declared legal, so USA won fair, I don't think our team choked at all. Our pockets weren't deep enough is all.
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uh huh:
It was declared legal, so USA won fair, I don't think our team choked at all. Our pockets weren't deep enough is all.
The excuses are still flowing.
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Doesn't matter how you look at it...it is a kiwi who has won the cup... five times in a row now.... only once for the kiwis... but hey....still a feat in itself....He is now even better, stats wise, than good ole Dennis the Menace.. :P
seriously though..that was one of the most amazing comebacks...even if I question a few moves made by Team NZ...there were some blatantly stupid maneuvers (and some more subtle ones) that a top class skipper (these guys are top top of their game) really doesn't make in my mind.... but not with standing.... that was an amazing effort by the US team....
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US is only mad because the Aussies or Kiwi's always seem to win it :rofl :rofl
:cheers: Oz
And they're STILL doing it! :neener:
Congratulations to Jimmy Spithill, showing the Yanks how it's done. :rock
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Ben Ainslie is awesome!
I went sailing on GTA last night, got chased by sharks! :bolt:
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How fast do those bloody things go?
Its been many years since I sailed. These new boats look like they are flying on hydra planes.
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How fast do those bloody things go?
Its been many years since I sailed. These new boats look like they are flying on hydra planes.
Fast!
20 kts. plus. Sometimes over 30 kts. :O
I haven't seen much more than 10 kts. in my boat (as measured by GPS, anyhow) and that was in 15 kt. winds with ~ 500 pounds of rail meat, hiking WAY out.
You are correct, they are on hydra planes.
There was a Foiling Moth at the race I was in on Saturday. I always wanted to try sailing one of those.
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/foilingmoth_zps56c98161.jpg) (http://s239.photobucket.com/user/tymekeepyr/media/foilingmoth_zps56c98161.jpg.html)
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Weeeeee
(http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo82/bzavasnik/Clint-Boyer-Upside-Down-Daytona-500_display_image_zps5675f153.jpg)
:rofl
Kinda like that but much wetter. :D
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Fast!
20 kts. plus. Sometimes over 30 kts. :O
I haven't seen much more than 10 kts. in my boat (as measured by GPS, anyhow) and that was in 15 kt. winds with ~ 500 pounds of rail meat, hiking WAY out.
You are correct, they are on hydra planes.
There was a Foiling Moth at the race I was in on Saturday. I always wanted to try sailing one of those.
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/foilingmoth_zps56c98161.jpg) (http://s239.photobucket.com/user/tymekeepyr/media/foilingmoth_zps56c98161.jpg.html)
I finally saw a race beginning to end the last race from the start and at a couple points the running speedo had oracle ove 40 kts. This was my first year of seeing them on foils and omfg amazing. I hate the politics. But phenomenal racing. And apparently the announcer is a distant relative and past sailor himself. Explains a lot about my past.
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How fast do those bloody things go?
Its been many years since I sailed. These new boats look like they are flying on hydra planes.
They were hitting 40 knots, some of the chase boats must've had a hard time keeping pace. The one great thing from this Cup round was we got to see some insane skills... I'm still trying to understand the physics of how a boat can get up to 40 knot speed in a 18 knot wind :D
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They were hitting 40 knots, some of the chase boats must've had a hard time keeping pace. The one great thing from this Cup round was we got to see some insane skills... I'm still trying to understand the physics of how a boat can get up to 40 knot speed in a 18 knot wind :D
Flux capacitors...