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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: skorpx1 on April 18, 2014, 09:23:46 AM
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For the new Charger and Challengers have been revealed.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/04/17/dodge-charger-challenger/7815555/
Personally I like the look of the Challenger, but the Charger is just god awful. What idiot was put in charge of designing that abomination?
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Never have liked the reincarnation of the Charger. The 1969/70 models were some of the sexiest cars made, in my opinion. I wish they had drawn from those years.
Now it appears they are trying to make it look like an Audi. Sheesh.
I wish they would shrink the Challenger and lose some of the fat it gained in its reincarnation. Loved that one too.
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Never have liked the reincarnation of the Charger. The 1969/70 models were some of the sexiest cars made, in my opinion. I wish they had drawn from those years.
Now it appears they are trying to make it look like an Audi. Sheesh.
I wish they would shrink the Challenger and lose some of the fat it gained in its reincarnation. Loved that one too.
I agree that the size should be reduced but then you're trading off something kind of important - safety. The bigger car makes for a bigger crumple zone in the event of a crash but if you take that out, then you won't have the same level of protection.
As far as the Charger looking like an Audi, i'd have to say the headlights look like they were rounded off Ford Fusion headlights, the tail lights were ripped directly off an Audi and the rest of the car is just a more rounded out version of the previous Charger.
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The blackout treatment, up front, mimics the shape of the Audi grill work.
As far as size goes in relation to safety. They are really two very different things. The engineering is what determines the safety. The size only helps, if it is engineered correctly, but it can also work against you. The amount of energy stored in a 2 ton vehicle moving at 70MPH is far higher than a 1 ton vehicle.
Hence, it takes more car to absorb the energy from the added weight.
Here is a simple test. Take 500 sheets of .001 thick aluminum and space them 1/2 inch apart, suspended in a rack. Hoist the rack 125' feet in the air. Place a rabbit on the top sheet. Drop it on a carbon steel spike which is 24' tall and 1/8 of an inch in diameter.
Repeat the test using a single sheet of aluminum which is 1/4 inch thick. This is half the weight of the 500 sheet rack.
Feel free to run the numbers. I already know the results.
Point being one is better engineered than the other to absorb and distribute the energy before the spike kills the rabbit. Which one do you think it is? Why?
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The blackout treatment, up front, mimics the shape of the Audi grill work.
As far as size goes in relation to safety. They are really two very different things. The engineering is what determines the safety. The size only helps, if it is engineered correctly, but it can also work against you. The amount of energy stored in a 2 ton vehicle moving at 70MPH is far higher than a 1 ton vehicle.
Hence, it takes more car to absorb the energy from the added weight.
Here is a simple test. Take 500 sheets of .001 thick aluminum and space them 1/2 inch apart, suspended in a rack. Hoist the rack 125' feet in the air. Place a rabbit on the top sheet. Drop it on a carbon steel spike which is 24' tall and 1/8 of an inch in diameter.
Repeat the test using a single sheet of aluminum which is 1/4 inch thick. This is half the weight of the 500 sheet rack.
Feel free to run the numbers. I already know the results.
Point being one is better engineered than the other to absorb and distribute the energy before the spike kills the rabbit. Which one do you think it is? Why?
I'm impressed you got the rabbits to sit still long enough to get kebabbed.
Seriously though, isn't this the crux of Chobham armour :old:
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I'm impressed you got the rabbits to sit still long enough to get kebabbed.
Seriously though, isn't this the crux of Chobham armour :old:
Really? I thought it was more impressive we hit the spike from 125 feet, in a free fall. :)
By the way, it was a class project in our college structural/mechanical engineering classes. If I state the point of the test, it will give away the results.
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Really? I thought it was more impressive we hit the spike from 125 feet, in a free fall. :)
:rofl
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The blackout treatment, up front, mimics the shape of the Audi grill work.
As far as size goes in relation to safety. They are really two very different things. The engineering is what determines the safety. The size only helps, if it is engineered correctly, but it can also work against you. The amount of energy stored in a 2 ton vehicle moving at 70MPH is far higher than a 1 ton vehicle.
Hence, it takes more car to absorb the energy from the added weight.
Here is a simple test. Take 500 sheets of .001 thick aluminum and space them 1/2 inch apart, suspended in a rack. Hoist the rack 125' feet in the air. Place a rabbit on the top sheet. Drop it on a carbon steel spike which is 24' tall and 1/8 of an inch in diameter.
Repeat the test using a single sheet of aluminum which is 1/4 inch thick. This is half the weight of the 500 sheet rack.
Feel free to run the numbers. I already know the results.
Point being one is better engineered than the other to absorb and distribute the energy before the spike kills the rabbit. Which one do you think it is? Why?
I saw math and then my brain fried.
No math for me. Ever. :bhead
Who wants waffles? I literally just made like 40 of them for myself. I don't think I can eat them all.
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I saw math and then my brain fried.
No math for me. Ever. :bhead
Who wants waffles? I literally just made like 40 of them for myself. I don't think I can eat them all.
See? This is why you need math, so you know 20 is plenty. :)
This is also why those break away pieces are so important in that they are destroyed while removing some more of the energy of the impact upon the core of the vehicle and in particular the passenger compartment area.
And these new ones truly puffed up versions/bastardizations of the truly beautiful lines of the originals. Perhaps these new ones can turn left AND right though.....
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Never have liked the reincarnation of the Charger. The 1969/70 models were some of the sexiest cars made, in my opinion. I wish they had drawn from those years.
Now it appears they are trying to make it look like an Audi. Sheesh.
I wish they would shrink the Challenger and lose some of the fat it gained in its reincarnation. Loved that one too.
I am of a different opinion of the late model chargers. I think they are a great looking car with nice options and great power. Almost bought an SRT Charger in 2010 but good sense prevailed; $45K is too much for a Dodge. Hence I am a mustang owner and I OWN Chargers when it comes to a head to head challenge.
OK, so what's wrong with an Audi? They are beautiful cars and super engineered. I know, I know - ridiculously priced. And forget about annual maintenance bill associated with ownership. But still, the A5 and A7 are absolutely beautiful. I like them all (except the TT and A3).
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Oh, do not get me wrong. I think Audi's. from most angles, are some of the best looking cars on the road today. I have not been a fan of the grill on the newer models though.
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Skuzzy, isn't this thread hijacking? The original thread was about the Charger/Challenger, and you've made it about rabbits, aluminum and Audis.......
and not ONE mention of sheep! Sheeeeesh!
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The title is "Car Guys, Assemble".
The structural integrity of an automobile is just as important as the drive train and was also brought up by the thread starter. :D
Might want to read rule #5. :)
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Skuzzy, isn't this thread hijacking? The original thread was about the Charger/Challenger, and you've made it about rabbits, aluminum and Audis.......
and not ONE mention of sheep! Sheeeeesh!
I don't see how we got off topic here. :headscratch:
But seeing that we're on Audi's why not mention the other German beauty - Mercedes Benz. I'd love to have an SLS AMG but the darn things cost well over 200 grand, and for the same price I could get an older SLR 722 with a bigger engine, better performance and better looks.
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I don't see how we got off topic here. :headscratch:
But seeing that we're on Audi's why not mention the other German beauty - Mercedes Benz. I'd love to have an SLS AMG but the darn things cost well over 200 grand, and for the same price I could get an older SLR 722 with a bigger engine, better performance and better looks.
Why not really dream big: Porsche Carrera GT. I have been passed by one of these twice in my current tour in Germany.
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/bigsargewells/CarreraGT.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/bigsargewells/media/CarreraGT.jpg.html)
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Why not really dream big: Porsche Carrera GT. I have been passed by one of these twice in my current tour in Germany.
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/bigsargewells/CarreraGT.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/bigsargewells/media/CarreraGT.jpg.html)
Porsche is overrated. Not to mention 90% of them look like squished VW Bugs.
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My $31K Mustang eats most AMG's for breakfast - not so with several Porsche models. But to each his own. <S>
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My $31K Mustang eats most AMG's for breakfast - not so with several Porsche models. But to each his own. <S>
Which AMG's? The twin turbo'd 4 bangers with only 260-something horsepower or the 600 horsepower AMG's with a V8?
There's a slight difference in what kind of AMG's you're racing here.
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Porsche is overrated. Not to mention 90% of them look like squished VW Bugs.
Well, each to their own, I love American muscle cars, nevertheless that Porsche is stunning and you'd have to be blind not to appreciate it :old:
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Which AMG's? The twin turbo'd 4 bangers with only 260-something horsepower or the 600 horsepower AMG's with a V8?
There's a slight difference in what kind of AMG's you're racing here.
I have beaten E63s, CL63, C63s, and S63s. Granted my car has 596 brake HP.
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I am not enamored with Porsche's styling, of late. However, that is rather subjective.
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I have beaten E63s, CL63, C63s, and S63s. Granted my car has 596 brake HP.
Provided that those are all sedans and not even made for performance like a Mustang, it doesn't surprise me. More of the cost goes to luxury than performance with those. Try taking on an SLS or a SLK which were made for performance.
Well, each to their own, I love American muscle cars, nevertheless that Porsche is stunning and you'd have to be blind not to appreciate it :old:
I'm unimpressed with the looks of a squashed bug.
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Provided that those are all sedans and not even made for performance like a Mustang, it doesn't surprise me. More of the cost goes to luxury than performance with those. Try taking on an SLS or a SLK which were made for performance.
I have been beaten by SL63s, SLK55s and I don't think I stand a chance against an SLS - beast that car is.
I have also been beat by two souped up (boosted) RS4s. Oh BTW, Porsches (squashed VWs) are frickin fast. IMO, best engineered sports cars on the road.
For less than $43K invested, I am happy.
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I always thought this was the best looking Porsche ever made. Just from a pure visceral perspective, this is one bad arse automobile.
(http://www.rigsofrods.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=462537&d=1392752778)
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I always thought this was the best looking Porsche ever made. Just from a pure visceral perspective, this is one bad arse automobile.
(http://www.rigsofrods.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=462537&d=1392752778)
Beautiful! Maybe when I retire
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I always thought this was the best looking Porsche ever made. Just from a pure visceral perspective, this is one bad arse automobile.
(http://www.rigsofrods.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=462537&d=1392752778)
Chuck!
Fell in love with it after GGWB.
(http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss35/stampf/untitledcn_zps0d83ca9d.png)
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The day I win the lottery I will have this car! :aok
(http://teamspeed.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=64008&stc=1&d=1297133983)
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Beautiful! Maybe when I retire
I know! The new Porsches are as fast, if not faster, but they lack that look that screams, "Don't even think about messing with me!" They are just too,...too civilized looking.
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The day I win the lottery I will have this car! :aok
(http://teamspeed.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=64008&stc=1&d=1297133983)
Sweet.
Here is a video I took at the Porsche Museum in Stuttgart. Listen to this beast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IrTnC6HPCY
Sorry about the shoddy video but you get the point.
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Skuzzy, great Porsche picture, that is the car that defines Porsche for me.
Ours is cute, sporty, stylish, but I haven't buffed it up yet to scream Porsche yet :) That is such a distinctive look.
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Were I to buy a 2015 Charger I'd only buy it for my daughter and a V6 version to boot, unless there was a 4 cylinder engine available.
As a muscle car its a total fail. Its is truly an ugly automobile and not worthy of the Hemi engine.
The 2015 Mustang looks far better yet I think it could have looked a better anyways. Its still a Mustang. The new Camaro is a handsome car. But that Charger is butt ugly. I think the 2014 looks far better, most of all its front end. This '15 is to small and the front end looks like crap.
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For the new Charger and Challengers have been revealed.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/04/17/dodge-charger-challenger/7815555/
Personally I like the look of the Challenger, but the Charger is just god awful. What idiot was put in charge of designing that abomination?
The fact that those cars wear the Challenger and Charger name make me vomit in my mouth
(I cut this from my squad forum)
I was tellin ya about my toy, here she is. Shes got a Summit Crated 426 Hemi. (I have the original Wedge she came with) Id post how much money it took to get it to this, but my wife might find out LOL Lets just say i restored her from the frame up, and the motor alone was about $11K :O
Had some kid come up to me at a stop light and rev his engine in his wantabe nissan drift car. I dropped the clutch and lit the rear tires, I bet his car still smells like rubber :rofl
(http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac82/mbailey166066/cid_00828322003032010-37F5.jpg)
My buddie Jims charger below ( did ya guess he was the one in the orange shirt ? :lol. He has 2 of them, this one was used in the Movie The Dukes of Hazzard ( the one with Johnny Knoxville and Jessica Simpson. ( not actually used in the movie but it was used for movie promotions ) This one is a 440 w/a 6pk. She puts about 492hp to the rear wheels. Pic was taken at my friends farm. I went with him to one of the promotions in NYC. Needless to say we did not trust it outside at the hotel. We took turns that night sleeping in it to make sure no one F'ed with it.
He actually has all the cars from the TV show Jessies white PU, Daisys Challenger,and Daisys Jeep,and Boss Hoggs convertible Cadilliac. He also has a Ford Torino like in Starsky and Hutch ( google it if you dont know what im talking about, little before your time i think. lol
(http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac82/mbailey166066/DSC_0935.jpg)
(http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac82/mbailey166066/DSC_0934.jpg)
Hopefully Stampf will check in and show us some pics of his gorgous Charger.....
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I was waiting for you MB!
Iron...Iron!
:aok
EDIT:
And because I am a weak mortal...
(http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss35/stampf/covetcharger.jpg)
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I was waiting for you MB!
Iron...Iron!
:aok
:rofl :aok
I saw Charger and didnt want anyone to think those cars in the first post were really Chargers.......they are closer to a Toyota Prius than a Charger... :D
This is a Charger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f1r9LfAhr0&feature=more_related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD4izK-sjS4
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<giggle>
Be nice.
;)
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Hopefully Stampf will check in and show us some pics of his gorgous Charger.....
Missed that.
History now...but was a nice one. Almost as good as you could get in '71.
(http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss35/stampf/0503112333b.jpg)
(http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss35/stampf/DSC01320.jpg)
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<giggle>
Be nice.
;)
Im trying :)
In all seriousness....I know Hajo has a really nice newer Challenger that I think is drop dead Gorgous....
Missed that.
History now...but was a nice one. Almost as good as you could get in '71.
(http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss35/stampf/0503112333b.jpg)
We really need a drooling emoticon.....Last time we chatted you were working on a Firebird....still have it?
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Im trying :)
In all seriousness....I know Hajo has a really nice newer Charger that I think is drop dead Gorgous....
We really need a drooling emoticon.....Last time we chatted you were working on a Firebird....still have it?
Hajo has the Challenger. A rather Hot one.
:lol
I do. It's a phat bird! Got it out last week for the season. Let me take some current pics bro. I actually think it is much hotter than than my 71 Charger.
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oops Sorry Hajo..... I meant Challenger....Fixed :D :rolleyes:
Nice cant wait to see it!! Mine is sitting in the pole barn till this damn weather here in PA breaks....odd to say the least This week I coulda gotten frostbite and heatstroke on different days in the same week :lol.....fingers crossed spring is on the way
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oops Sorry Hajo..... I meant Challenger....Fixed :D :rolleyes:
Nice cant wait to see it!! Mine is sitting in the pole barn till this damn weather here in PA breaks....odd to say the least This week I coulda gotten frostbite and heatstroke on different days in the same week :lol.....fingers crossed spring is on the way
Fired up the Bird on Tuesday. It snowed Wed. :rolleyes:
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(http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac82/mbailey166066/cid_00828322003032010-37F5.jpg)
Now, that's what I am talking about! That is a Charger.
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(http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac82/mbailey166066/cid_00828322003032010-37F5.jpg)
Now, that's what I am talking about! That is a Charger.
That isn't a Charger.
This is a charger.
(http://www.bubblews.com/assets/images/news/1514633019_1369929668.jpg)
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to be totally honest in 1969 every car manufacture had bad arse muscle cars, Ford , Dodge , Plymouth , Chrysler , Chevolet, Buick even AMC....
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'68 and '69 the two best years for classic American muscle. For sure.
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I could have sworn that Daisy drove a 73 Road Runner (Yellow & Black) and not a Challenger.
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Another good car from the 70's.
'72 Ford Gran Torino Fastback.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_b9mUJVmv1fM/TQar0WbnfvI/AAAAAAAAAAU/0nQvZU3AkmU/s1600/ford+terino+1972jpg.jpg)
Oh, the movie was good too. :D
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Skorpx, now that's a great car, my first car I built was a 72 Ranchero with the 429CJ, what a monster :) Favorite year for those cars.
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(http://www.reolds.org/CarPhotos/72-442Showen.jpg)
Need I say more? :D
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I could have sworn that Daisy drove a 73 Road Runner (Yellow & Black) and not a Challenger.
I think you're correct, 1973 Satellite with the Roadrunner package I had the same year with the 440 six pack pistol grip four speed, that was a scary fast car lol
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Skorpx, now that's a great car, my first car I built was a 72 Ranchero with the 429CJ, what a monster :) Favorite year for those cars.
Rancheros are great looking cars as well. Id like to own one of those in the future for sure.
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my grandparents had a 57 Ranchero and I wanted that thing really bad but they sold it before I was 10 , i did buy a 47 ford pu from a mortuary/ Cemetery at 13 yrs old. I spent the next three years on cherrying it out into a little hot rod, that little flathead v8 sure put out some horse power.
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I hate how all cars now must have the rear end chopped off so that the brake lights are way up high, even the corvette had it's butt chopped. Oh and another thing the two inch flatted area around the wheel wells. :furious
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o boy floob don't get me going.. there are cars out there that you completely wonder what the heck were the manufactureres thinking.. it just disgusts me to no end apparently.. :bhead
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This thread gives me wood (http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/1970-Plymouth-Cuda-ro-fa-sy-1152x86.jpg) (http://s279.photobucket.com/user/TheAmish/media/1970-Plymouth-Cuda-ro-fa-sy-1152x86.jpg.html)
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This thread gives me wood (http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/1970-Plymouth-Cuda-ro-fa-sy-1152x86.jpg) (http://s279.photobucket.com/user/TheAmish/media/1970-Plymouth-Cuda-ro-fa-sy-1152x86.jpg.html)
I have a good friend that has that one in Plum :aok
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o boy floob don't get me going.. there are cars out there that you completely wonder what the heck were the manufactureres thinking.. it just disgusts me to no end apparently.. :bhead
This is what really gets me.
(http://photo.netcarshow.com/Pontiac-Aztek_Rally_2004_photo_01.jpg)
Like.
What the hell, Pontiac? Did they start with one car, then dump another one on top of it? Was the body supposed to look like a 10 year old with parkinsons designed it? Is it supposed to be this friggin ugly, and was it supposed to be one of the worst selling cars ever made? How did this not get noticed by the marketing team at GM and scrapped instantly? Was everyone smoking meth when this was produced? I think so.
:bhead
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Chargers and Pintos? Pffft!
(http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp213/1997ramsst/03FREEDOMJEEP/DSC04026.jpg)
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The best thing about the new charger is that it doesn't look like a chevy Malibu. Wait. That's the worst thing about the chevy SS.
I've seriously considered as a car project buying a chevy SS and then transplanting all the body panels from my G8 to the SS. The G8 looks hot I think, and after 5 years I still get compliments and people are shocked to see a Pontiac badge instead of some euro badge. "Is that the new BMW 5? I didn't know they came in red." was my favorite question, for 2 straight years. The SS is mechanically AWESOME, but it looks like a freaking Malibu. They should have at the very least tried to make it look a bit more like an impala instead of the malibu, if they were just going to copy the styling from another lesser product they were already selling. The G8 looks fast just sitting there. The SS looks totally ready to go out for groceries. At 180 mph, agreed. But its still on a grocery run.
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The blackout treatment, up front, mimics the shape of the Audi grill work.
As far as size goes in relation to safety. They are really two very different things. The engineering is what determines the safety. The size only helps, if it is engineered correctly, but it can also work against you. The amount of energy stored in a 2 ton vehicle moving at 70MPH is far higher than a 1 ton vehicle.
Hence, it takes more car to absorb the energy from the added weight.
Here is a simple test. Take 500 sheets of .001 thick aluminum and space them 1/2 inch apart, suspended in a rack. Hoist the rack 125' feet in the air. Place a rabbit on the top sheet. Drop it on a carbon steel spike which is 24' tall and 1/8 of an inch in diameter.
Repeat the test using a single sheet of aluminum which is 1/4 inch thick. This is half the weight of the 500 sheet rack.
Feel free to run the numbers. I already know the results.
Point being one is better engineered than the other to absorb and distribute the energy before the spike kills the rabbit. Which one do you think it is? Why?
The 1/4 inch thick plate will be safer for the rabbit. I think... :uhoh
I believe this is an experiment of momentum and not gravity. Gravity being used only to demonstrate momentum.
The first sheet of .001 aluminum hitting the spike would slow the rabbit down very slightly. But that would not matter because you still have the additional mass of the 499 sheets (and the rabbit) providing force to the next sheet and so on so forth until rather horrible things happen to the rabbit. In my mind this is no different of running through 500 separated ribbons at the end of a finish line vs trying to run through one ribbon 500 times stronger. I wish I could explain exactly why, but I cant. Is this a Newtonian physics experiment?
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Darn thread got me looking at the Ranchero again.
Just pulled the Porsche out of my garage after replacing the AOE and cleaning out the intake and throttle body. Now, garage looks empty. Needs a toy to play with. Mustangs running great, porsche running great, commuter camry and escape are fine.
Time for another? Need to decide on the traditional build on a 69 Mustang or go back to the unusual.
(http://www.richs-autobody.com/images/museum/41.jpg)
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I agree that the size should be reduced but then you're trading off something kind of important - safety. The bigger car makes for a bigger crumple zone in the event of a crash but if you take that out, then you won't have the same level of protection.
As far as the Charger looking like an Audi, i'd have to say the headlights look like they were rounded off Ford Fusion headlights, the tail lights were ripped directly off an Audi and the rest of the car is just a more rounded out version of the previous Charger.
headlights look like an audi. tail lights look like they took them right off of the current dart.
the charger uses mostly mercedes suspension. it's too big. it's ugly, and is a disgrace to the heritage of one of the most beautiful cars ever built.
the challenger uses a shortened version of the same chassis. the challenger though, is friggin gorgeous.
both of them i believe use mercedes transmissions and rear diffs too.
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to be totally honest in 1969 every car manufacture had bad arse muscle cars, Ford , Dodge , Plymouth , Chrysler , Chevolet, Buick even AMC....
amc had 2 of the best, most under rated hotrods of the era.
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Darn thread got me looking at the Ranchero again.
Just pulled the Porsche out of my garage after replacing the AOE and cleaning out the intake and throttle body. Now, garage looks empty. Needs a toy to play with. Mustangs running great, porsche running great, commuter camry and escape are fine.
Time for another? Need to decide on the traditional build on a 69 Mustang or go back to the unusual.
(http://www.richs-autobody.com/images/museum/41.jpg)
grab a 69 plain-jane mustang, and then hit the scrap yards, to find a wrecked 2011 to present mustang gt. swap the coyote engine, and 6 speed into the 69, for the best of both worlds. :aok
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Given the Coyote engine is 2 inches wider than the 429 and 1 inch taller, it could be quite a challenge to shoe horn it into the 69 engine bay. Pretty sure the shock towers are going to have to be heavily modified.
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headlights look like an audi. tail lights look like they took them right off of the current dart.
the charger uses mostly mercedes suspension. it's too big. it's ugly, and is a disgrace to the heritage of one of the most beautiful cars ever built.
the challenger uses a shortened version of the same chassis. the challenger though, is friggin gorgeous.
both of them i believe use mercedes transmissions and rear diffs too.
Mercedes transmissions = Absolute crap.
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Given the Coyote engine is 2 inches wider than the 429 and 1 inch taller, it could be quite a challenge to shoe horn it into the 69 engine bay. Pretty sure the shock towers are going to have to be heavily modified.
They would. I attempted to install a 429 in a 67 Fairlane once but only had 1" of clearance between shock towers and heads. And that's before the exhaust manifolds were on. It can be done but the hassle isn't worth the time, effort and cost IMO. I lucked out and found a 390 I went that route. Motor mounts, stiffer springs and 9" rearend....and disc brake upgrade was pretty much all I had to.
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Given the Coyote engine is 2 inches wider than the 429 and 1 inch taller, it could be quite a challenge to shoe horn it into the 69 engine bay. Pretty sure the shock towers are going to have to be heavily modified.
while it is larger, if i'm not mistaken, there are kits out there, to replace the entire front suspension with this swap....including adding the electric assist power steering.
can you imagine the beauty of that gorgeous bodystyle, with all of the performance of the modern car?
check this video out. the shock towers are notched....but that engine looks dam fine in there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csScrn44P04
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Mercedes transmissions = Absolute crap.
i believe that their suspensions are the same as the 300. i've been doing a LOT of front end work on a couple of those over the last year or so. seems that the swaybar frame mounts are crap. as are the end links. they rattle. they go bad prematurely. the shifter is another problem. there's a plastic piece in the shifter assembly that tends to break off, preventing taking the car out of park. it's part of the brake/shifter interlock system.
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They would. I attempted to install a 429 in a 67 Fairlane once but only had 1" of clearance between shock towers and heads. And that's before the exhaust manifolds were on. It can be done but the hassle isn't worth the time, effort and cost IMO. I lucked out and found a 390 I went that route. Motor mounts, stiffer springs and 9" rearend....and disc brake upgrade was pretty much all I had to.
the hassle would be more than worth the time. if nothing else, figure that these things run mid 12's in a 3700 pound car. put that into a 3,000 pound car, and you're looking at 11's in an everyday car. and 30mpg. :devil
also....on the 9" rear? fergetaboutit. go 8.8. it'll handle about 80% of everything a 9" will, and weighs a lot less. parts are more plentiful too.
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grab a 69 plain-jane mustang, and then hit the scrap yards, to find a wrecked 2011 to present mustang gt. swap the coyote engine, and 6 speed into the 69, for the best of both worlds.
That would be fun, but since I've got a newer stang, I would be more inclined to just build up the plain jane one. I just love the look and feel of a late 60s big block. The new stuff is good, but I want one car in my garage that isn't a computerized system, just raw heavy metal old school power.
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That would be fun, but since I've got a newer stang, I would be more inclined to just build up the plain jane one. I just love the look and feel of a late 60s big block. The new stuff is good, but I want one car in my garage that isn't a computerized system, just raw heavy metal old school power.
whelp. we're ford guys. so, in proper ford tradition, you must do that in the absolute hardest way possible. :devil
same car, find a 427 SOHC(if you still can), with a good 4 speed toploader. you'll need the 2.32(i think that was the right one) 1st gear version, as the 2.78 first gear will be too much for that engine.
with that, IF you can make it hook up, you will have the undisputed king of the hill. :devil
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the hassle would be more than worth the time. if nothing else, figure that these things run mid 12's in a 3700 pound car. put that into a 3,000 pound car, and you're looking at 11's in an everyday car. and 30mpg. :devil
also....on the 9" rear? fergetaboutit. go 8.8. it'll handle about 80% of everything a 9" will, and weighs a lot less. parts are more plentiful too.
Not sure about that, as far as parts go. They are about the same. The 8.8" can be used, but needs axle tube stiffeners as well as a different rear cover to include bolts to prevent the rear bearing caps from walking around. Also need to get rid of the c-clip retainers at the same time. Replace the clutch type locker with a Detroit Trutrac. Replace the stock axles with a set of 31 spline units.
Once all that is done, it would hold up as well as the nine inch.
We had had several guys in the Cobra club switch to the Coyote and it has been ripping the 8.8 rear ends apart. Shearing axles, burning out the clutch packs and it will not launch straight without the axle tube stiffeners and bolt cap lock downs.
I am going 8.8 in my Cobra, but it is being sent off to Moser for a complete rebuild first.
Dropping a Coyote into a Cobra is not for the faint of heart. It takes a lot of work to get that engine into the bay so the hood will close.
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Not sure about that, as far as parts go. They are about the same. The 8.8" can be used, but needs axle tube stiffeners as well as a different rear cover to include bolts to prevent the rear bearing caps from walking around. Also need to get rid of the c-clip retainers at the same time. Replace the clutch type locker with a Detroit Trutrac. Replace the stock axles with a set of 31 spline units.
Once all that is done, it would hold up as well as the nine inch.
We had had several guys in the Cobra club switch to the Coyote and it has been ripping the 8.8 rear ends apart. Shearing axles, burning out the clutch packs and it will not launch straight without the axle tube stiffeners and bolt cap lock downs.
I am going 8.8 in my Cobra, but it is being sent off to Moser for a complete rebuild first.
Dropping a Coyote into a Cobra is not for the faint of heart. It takes a lot of work to get that engine into the bay so the hood will close.
THAT sounds like it'll be hard as hell. but i think it'll also be more than worth it.
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Not sure about that, as far as parts go. They are about the same. The 8.8" can be used, but needs axle tube stiffeners as well as a different rear cover to include bolts to prevent the rear bearing caps from walking around. Also need to get rid of the c-clip retainers at the same time. Replace the clutch type locker with a Detroit Trutrac. Replace the stock axles with a set of 31 spline units.
Once all that is done, it would hold up as well as the nine inch.
We had had several guys in the Cobra club switch to the Coyote and it has been ripping the 8.8 rear ends apart. Shearing axles, burning out the clutch packs and it will not launch straight without the axle tube stiffeners and bolt cap lock downs.
I am going 8.8 in my Cobra, but it is being sent off to Moser for a complete rebuild first.
Dropping a Coyote into a Cobra is not for the faint of heart. It takes a lot of work to get that engine into the bay so the hood will close.
I probably missed a post, but what power plant are you going with in your Cobra?
I would think a coyote would be perfect for a Cobra kit from a performance perspective. Some of the originals 427s with monster torque. Is it a fitment issue?
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amc had 2 of the best, most under rated hotrods of the era.
heck yeah 69 Hurst Rambler scrambler and a 69 javelin AMX both sweet cars and worth a lot of money today.
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o boy floob don't get me going.. there are cars out there that you completely wonder what the heck were the manufactureres thinking.. it just disgusts me to no end apparently.. :bhead
Well the big chopped off butts and flattened fenders are due to legislation I'm sure.
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Darn thread got me looking at the Ranchero again.
Just pulled the Porsche out of my garage after replacing the AOE and cleaning out the intake and throttle body. Now, garage looks empty. Needs a toy to play with. Mustangs running great, porsche running great, commuter camry and escape are fine.
Time for another? Need to decide on the traditional build on a 69 Mustang or go back to the unusual.
(http://www.richs-autobody.com/images/museum/41.jpg)
Looks like a 72. Been looking at a Mustang, F100 or Ranchero myself to fix up for Ian to drive when he gets his license in a few years.
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Being an Aussie car nut, I guess I have a few choices that just don't pop-up for you yanks.
Ford Falcon Cobra (XC)
(http://www.centralmusclecars.co.nz/uploads/82841/images/292749/Vern_Muller_sw.jpg)(http://www.performancegarage.com.au/sites/default/files/120210_AM_JU-5800_0177.jpg)
Holden A9X Torana
(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1250/5168161591_3e561e030f_o.jpg)(http://www.lastinterceptor.com/ItemsOfInterest/TOR01.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC9NAhlsxUU
VH Valiant Charger R/T E49
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Chrysler_Valiant_VH_Charger_E49_%283%29.jpg)
The Falcon was a special edition made to flog-off the remaining 400 bodies of the old XC body that Ford Australia had left over when the XD model started. But now is a big collectors item.
The Torana was an Icon at Bathurst, winning the biggest race in Australia many times. The LX A9X was the final & ultimate version.
The Valiant fitted with the 4.3L Chrysler Hemi-6 Engine was quicker then the Valiant fitted with the LA engine 340cu V8.
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Mashburn, yep it's a 72. I've owned 2 of them over the years.
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I heard the other day that Ford was still making Falcons in the land down under. It sucks they don't have them on the market here in the states. I wonder why that is? :headscratch:
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I heard the other day that Ford was still making Falcons in the land down under. It sucks they don't have them on the market here in the states. I wonder why that is? :headscratch:
There's some more recent Falcons running around in Australia but i'm not sure if they're going to continue to be in production.
2013 Falcon XR6
(http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/Satellite?blobcol=urlpicture&blobheader=image%2Fjpeg&blobheadername1=Cache-Control&blobheadername2=Content-Disposition&blobheadername3=Content-Length&blobheadervalue1=max-age%3D1000&blobheadervalue2=inline%3B+filename%3D1248926024922.jpeg&blobheadervalue3=29809&blobkey=id&blobtable=DFYImage&blobwhere=1248926024922&ssbinary=true)
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Back on topic, I own a 2012 Charger and it's an awesome car.
It's roomy like a 7 series BMW, rides ultra smooth, handles solid even in hard cornering. The V6 gets me 29 MPG at 70MPH and the 295HP gets me enough juice to climb hills, pass someone without effort. The interrior design is not plasticky and I really love the guage design. There's also numerous reminder of the 70 Charger with the hood shape, door crease, rear window recess, back of truck lid shape ... and the tail lights are the same shape as my 72 Monaco.
As far as that new one, it's a disapointment. I trully dislike the front of the Dart, and I guess 'brand continuity' carried it over to the new Dodge :cry First new 'Charger' was ok, the second one was a hit (as the sales showed), I'm not convinced about this 3rd reincarnation.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/1441331_10202656628118172_380183116_n.jpg)
I think I'll wait for the 2015 Mustang to hit the showroom, then I'll hit the delearship for a cheap 'new' 2014 GT. That 2015 Stang as a cool 'fastback', b ut the front is too slick, it doesn't have the 'muscle car' look. It got a IRS but who quite cares as the shape of a car is what u really see day to day and what sales.
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I probably missed a post, but what power plant are you going with in your Cobra?
I would think a coyote would be perfect for a Cobra kit from a performance perspective. Some of the originals 427s with monster torque. Is it a fitment issue?
Yes, it is a fitment issue. The Coyote is a wider and taller engine than the original 427 was. I am considering a 427FE instead of the small block. I like the choices in aftermarket parts for the Windsor engines, but the lure to have an original FE under the bonnet is really strong. A number of guys go with the 385 series (429/460). It is slightly smaller than the 427FE was.
If I go Windsor, it will be based on the big bore Windsor block.
Engine sizes:
4.6 DOHC Modular: 28L" x 30W" x 29.875H"
Coyote 5.0: 26L" x 28W" x 27H"
4.6 SOHC Modular: 25L" x 25.625W" x 26H"
427 FE: 32L" x 27W" x 28H"
429/460 385 Series: 32L" x 26W" x 26H"
289/302 Windsor: 27.5L" x 18.75W" x 20.75H"
351 Windsor: 27.5L" x 21W" x 23.75H"
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Being an Aussie car nut, I guess I have a few choices that just don't pop-up for you yanks.
Ford Falcon Cobra (XC)
(http://www.centralmusclecars.co.nz/uploads/82841/images/292749/Vern_Muller_sw.jpg)(http://www.performancegarage.com.au/sites/default/files/120210_AM_JU-5800_0177.jpg)
Holden A9X Torana
(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1250/5168161591_3e561e030f_o.jpg)(http://www.lastinterceptor.com/ItemsOfInterest/TOR01.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC9NAhlsxUU
VH Valiant Charger R/T E49
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Chrysler_Valiant_VH_Charger_E49_%283%29.jpg)
The Falcon was a special edition made to flog-off the remaining 400 bodies of the old XC body that Ford Australia had left over when the XD model started. But now is a big collectors item.
The Torana was an Icon at Bathurst, winning the biggest race in Australia many times. The LX A9X was the final & ultimate version.
The Valiant fitted with the 4.3L Chrysler Hemi-6 Engine was quicker then the Valiant fitted with the LA engine 340cu V8.
Ive always loved those Australian cars....great pics Fish :aok
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Back on topic, I own a 2012 Charger and it's an awesome car.
It's roomy like a 7 series BMW, rides ultra smooth, handles solid even in hard cornering. The V6 gets me 29 MPG at 70MPH and the 295HP gets me enough juice to climb hills, pass someone without effort. The interrior design is not plasticky and I really love the guage design. There's also numerous reminder of the 70 Charger with the hood shape, door crease, rear window recess, back of truck lid shape ... and the tail lights are the same shape as my 72 Monaco.
As far as that new one, it's a disapointment. I trully dislike the front of the Dart, and I guess 'brand continuity' carried it over to the new Dodge :cry First new 'Charger' was ok, the second one was a hit (as the sales showed), I'm not convinced about this 3rd reincarnation.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/1441331_10202656628118172_380183116_n.jpg)
I think I'll wait for the 2015 Mustang to hit the showroom, then I'll hit the delearship for a cheap 'new' 2014 GT. That 2015 Stang as a cool 'fastback', b ut the front is too slick, it doesn't have the 'muscle car' look. It got a IRS but who quite cares as the shape of a car is what u really see day to day and what sales.
you might not find a left over 2014 for much cheaper than an 015. when i went looking for my 012, i started off looking for a left over 011. they found me one, but someone snached it up before i got approved for credit. i ended up getting my 012 for about $1k more than the 011, and with more stuff on it.
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you might not find a left over 2014 for much cheaper than an 015. when i went looking for my 012, i started off looking for a left over 011. they found me one, but someone snached it up before i got approved for credit. i ended up getting my 012 for about $1k more than the 011, and with more stuff on it.
Another issue with the 11s had were number 8 cylinder popping when folks would add a mild power adding tune to the car. I have read several instances where 11 owners had their engine go kaput and Ford wouldn't honor warranty since the car had an aftermarket tune. Ford seems to have figured it out for the last three years though.. I haven't read too many instances of engine failure.
When I bought my 2010, I was berated by several for not waiting a few months to get a coyote powered Mustang. I didn't let my decision nor the picking bother me after reading about all those failures. My little 4.6 has 57K on it putting 596 measured HP at the fly wheel. Tough little motor.
Just ordered Steeda LCAs (upper and lower), Koni shocks/struts, Hurst shifter, 410 gears and a new diff. I wore out the factory diff so the car doesn't "really" have posi-traction right now :lol :aok
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/bigsargewells/013-1.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/bigsargewells/media/013-1.jpg.html)
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Drop a Detroit TruTrac in the rear end ammo. That will solve the posi problems for good. No clutches to wear out.
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Drop a Detroit TruTrac in the rear end ammo. That will solve the posi problems for good. No clutches to wear out.
I was considering this http://www.americanmuscle.com/auburn-ected-31spline-88-lsd.html (http://www.americanmuscle.com/auburn-ected-31spline-88-lsd.html) but just couldn't pull the trigger on a $800 diff. I ended up going with a Ford Racing Traction LOK diff. Lot's of good reports from owners so I am optimistic the part will do me right
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4.11s? Bye bye hunting German Iron down the autoban? You have only 5 gears don't you?
Actually, check if your gear ratios are the same, I think it's for an 05-09:
I took the opportunity to do some calculations in Excel to give some real numbers. These are based on a P245/45ZR17 tire with 809 revs/mile and the TR-3650 gear ratios of 1:1 (4th) and 0.67:1 (5th). YMMV.
4th gear engine RPM (3.27/3.73/4.10) @ MPH
50 - 2204/2514/2764
60 - 2645/3017/3317
70 - 3086/3520/3869
80 - 3527/4023/4422
90 - 3968/4526/4975
100 - 4409/5029/5528
110 - 4849/5532/6080*
120 - 5290/6035*/6634*
5th gear engine RPM (3.27/3.73/4.10) @ MPH
50 - 1477/1684/1851
60 - 1772/2021/2222
70 - 2067/2358/2592
80 - 2363/2695/2963
90 - 2658/3032/3333
100 - 2954/3369/3703
110 - 3249/3706/4074
120 - 3544/4043/4444
* - at or past redline
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I think going from a 3.31:1 to 4.11:1 is not a good idea for Autobahn bashing. A good compromise would be a 3.5x:1, if you could also attach a 6 speed to it. That should effectively get you off the line better, through the mid range faster and still not compromise the top end.
I am dropping a 3.73 in my Cobra backed with the tall 6 speed Tremec. The Cobra top speed is not limited by horsepower, just the design itself. It likes to lift the rear end at over 180MPH.
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I am dropping a 3.73 in my Cobra backed with the tall 6 speed Tremec. The Cobra top speed is not limited by horsepower, just the design itself. It likes to lift the rear end at over 180MPH.
I take it a 911 whale tail is frowned upon...
One of the most spectacular crash videos I've ever seen was of a guy who insisted on building a '95ish Camaro (pointy nose version) out for 200+ mph. If I recall the story correctly, he had the power but the rear end "stock" would lift at around 160-170, and with his aero mods including air dam and huge spoiler he'd still lose traction at around 190. Out of desperation he put a few hundred pounds of sand in the trunkwell and gave it one last shot. Right around 200 the car leapt about 20 ft in the air and flipped. Spectacular video, can't find it on youtube since it was a pretty old vid and has been bumped by all the crazy one-mile Camaro wrecks in the last few years. That's one good thing the updated 1998 Camaro and firebird styling did, was give the car another 20-30 mph before it started to lift. Good thing 'cause the car with a stock LS1 would redline 5th gear in the 160s where the 1997 and earlier F-body would get really unstable.
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This was my first "legal" car. By legal I mean I bought a car at 15yo, a 1963 Buick Wild cat, but it wasnt really legal cause I didnt have a DL. So this was my first car, my High School car.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/1966Mustang_zps17e7501f.jpg)
Dont have an original picture but same car. '66 'stang with a .289 8cyl and a custom vinyl Pony interior. I found it on a lot in '74 with 32,000 miles on it. It was, as we used to say, "Tits". After I ran it into a tree drag racing, splitting it in half, I bought a '66 Chev Caprice with a .396 big block, a big Holley, pipes, duals, from a local garage gearhead. It was painted in that gorgeous Chev candy apple red. It was, as we used to say, a "sleeper". Best of all I could fit the whole gang in it.
So many fast cars thru those years its hard to remember them all. Most of them big blocks. ALL of them from the '60s and '70s until I bought my first new car. An '85 Mustang GT. I love cars and trucks. Always have, always will.
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Thanks Frenchy and Skuzzy.
Yep, I am sacrificing ludicrous high speed A-bahn fun for quicker acceleration. My car has 3:73 gears now and the speed limiting factor with my car are the tires I installed. They are the best street tire I have tried - Mickey Thompson Street Comps. I have 285/35-19s on the rear but they are Y rated and only good to 169 MPH. I can hit that easily with the 3:73s - I have had the car faster than that with the last set of tires. But these tires stick better than anything I have tried providing its above 60 degrees and the sun is shining (happens all the time in Germany, right?). They handle great in the twisties too. The truth is, I am not as keen as I was when I first souped up the car and was hitting 300 KPH. I will still be able to squirt up to 170 but surely won't be able to maintain that speed for any length of time. I normally drive the car on the A-Bahn anywhere from 100-120 MPH (traffic allowing) but I will certainly need to slow it down a bit on road trips. I'll have to let the Audi, MB, and BMW family wagons pass me but that is OK. I'll save the fuel and wear for the hot ones. It will be a bit emasculating to let the German brand family trucksters - to include VWs - pass me routinely :rofl
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I think going from a 3.31:1 to 4.11:1 is not a good idea for Autobahn bashing. A good compromise would be a 3.5x:1, if you could also attach a 6 speed to it. That should effectively get you off the line better, through the mid range faster and still not compromise the top end.
I am dropping a 3.73 in my Cobra backed with the tall 6 speed Tremec. The Cobra top speed is not limited by horsepower, just the design itself. It likes to lift the rear end at over 180MPH.
Are you going with the Tremec Magnum XL? I have read nothing but good about that tranny. Uhmm, it is a bit expensive too! I understand it's based on a TR6060.. the same tranny in the Shelbys.
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I take it a 911 whale tail is frowned upon...
I want to preserve the integrity of the aesthetic of the car. To that end, I will be doing some aerodynamic testing along Interstate 20 in West Texas. It has a speed limit of 85MPH, which should be plenty to gather some data to see what I can do with the underside and flow over the top of the windshield.
Are you going with the Tremec Magnum XL? I have read nothing but good about that tranny. Uhmm, it is a bit expensive too! I understand it's based on a TR6060.. the same tranny in the Shelbys.
Yes, I am installing the Magnum. Big transmission, but it has all the ills of the previous series corrected.
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This was my first "legal" car. By legal I mean I bought a car at 15yo, a 1963 Buick Wild cat, but it wasnt really legal cause I didnt have a DL. So this was my first car, my High School car.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/1966Mustang_zps17e7501f.jpg)
Dont have an original picture but same car. '66 'stang with a .289 8cyl and a custom vinyl Pony interior. I found it on a lot in '74 with 32,000 miles on it. It was, as we used to say, "Tits". After I ran it into a tree drag racing, splitting it in half, I bought a '66 Chev Caprice with a .396 big block, a big Holley, pipes, duals, from a local garage gearhead. It was painted in that gorgeous Chev candy apple red. It was, as we used to say, a "sleeper". Best of all I could fit the whole gang in it.
So many fast cars thru those years its hard to remember them all. Most of them big blocks. ALL of them from the '60s and '70s until I bought my first new car. An '85 Mustang GT. I love cars and trucks. Always have, always will.
Nice ride Rich. I don't have to tell you what that '66 Stang is worth now.
I really want a '67 fastback to restore. I like a '68 too. The '69s were nice but they started to get a bit bloated
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I had a 68 Mustang GT. Loved that car. I installed the sway bars from the GT350, which really improved the handling and stability. Had a chance to buy a 66 GT for my first car, but Dad nixed it.
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I finally sprung for a tune and CAI for my G8, put in a LS7 MAF with quicker temp response while I was tinkering with the intake. Much nicer throttle response and better drivability from the tune. I'm looking hard at headers/xpipe which would bump me from about 300 to 360ish rwhp for a total expenditure of under $3000, but there is a non-zero chance I might have to relocate to California and I don't want to have to keep the stock exhaust around forever on the off chance I might have to actually get the thing smogged someday.
Too much potential to just let it go, though... The G8 has a known lifter weakness, and the current rage seems to be to drop a brand new crate chevy SS LS3 under the hood if the lifters fail and take out the motor outside of the powertrain warranty, instead of rebuilding it back to stock. Some dealers will offer to drop that in for $10k total and give it a 2 year 35,000 mile warranty, compared to $5k-ish to rebuild a motor that trashes itself when the lifters fail on the freeway. Not bad considering that when brand new, the G8 could be had for under $30k out the door...
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OEM roller lifters are a weak link for all makes. That is usually the first thing that fails.
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I finally sprung for a tune and CAI for my G8, put in a LS7 MAF with quicker temp response while I was tinkering with the intake. Much nicer throttle response and better drivability from the tune. I'm looking hard at headers/xpipe which would bump me from about 300 to 360ish rwhp for a total expenditure of under $3000, but there is a non-zero chance I might have to relocate to California and I don't want to have to keep the stock exhaust around forever on the off chance I might have to actually get the thing smogged someday.
Too much potential to just let it go, though... The G8 has a known lifter weakness, and the current rage seems to be to drop a brand new crate chevy SS LS3 under the hood if the lifters fail and take out the motor outside of the powertrain warranty, instead of rebuilding it back to stock. Some dealers will offer to drop that in for $10k total and give it a 2 year 35,000 mile warranty, compared to $5k-ish to rebuild a motor that trashes itself when the lifters fail on the freeway. Not bad considering that when brand new, the G8 could be had for under $30k out the door...
I mentioned this in another thread. I know of two G8 owners that installed a centrifugal SC on their G8s and their cars made insane power. This isn't a cheap modification but the bang for buck factor is definitely there. Boost is where it's at if you want to make big power.
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I want to preserve the integrity of the aesthetic of the car. To that end, I will be doing some aerodynamic testing along Interstate 20 in West Texas. It has a speed limit of 85MPH, which should be plenty to gather some data to see what I can do with the underside and flow over the top of the windshield.
You might get some benefit from shaping the airflow coming up from under the rear. Direct that up by keeping the airflow attached as it climbs the underside of the rear (hidden vortex generators under the rear bumper?) and you might be able to kill some of the lift that way. Hard to measure, but you're going to have it wired up anyhow so a front and rear suspension ride height measurement gadget shouldn't be too hard to put together. Even a little camera and an indexed card attached to the springs would work, if you could find a smooth enough road to not have to filter out too much noise to get an average ride height. "easier" to do it in software but then you'd have to come up with a sensor and then filter the logged data. But as long as the car is going to be wired up with your new vehicle controller anyhow, why not put in ride height sensors for testing your aero mods?
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OEM roller lifters are a weak link for all makes. That is usually the first thing that fails.
The 5 options are usually:
1. DOD delete plus cam before it fails, which runs non-mechanics $1000 or more
2. If the lifter tick is consistent enough, you can sometimes get the dealer to replace the lifters under warranty before they fail.
3. Wait till it fails under warranty, and try to convince the dealer to replace it under warranty.
4. Wait till it fails outside warranty, and rebuild the whole dang motor.
5. Wait till it fails outside warranty, and spring for the chevy SS LS3 which is darn near a drop-in replacement, then spend a few extra pennies to bump it to 500+ rwhp.
I'm leaning towards option 5 since I think I'm out of warranty and occasionally I hear what sounds like those ball bearing pendulum toys you see on executive desks in the movies. Like tapping 1 inch steel ball bearings against each other, tap tap tap pause tap pause pause tap tap tap pause tap pause pause...
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I mentioned this in another thread. I know of two G8 owners that installed a centrifugal SC on their G8s and their cars made insane power. This isn't a cheap modification but the bang for buck factor is definitely there. Boost is where it's at if you want to make big power.
Since I'm starting with the L76 there would be a lot of rebuild work done prior to that. DOD and cam swap before even thinking of boost, for starters. If I ever decide to go that big I'll probably sell the stock motor and start over with an LS3.
Or just sell the kids and buy a new corvette...
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You might get some benefit from shaping the airflow coming up from under the rear. Direct that up by keeping the airflow attached as it climbs the underside of the rear (hidden vortex generators under the rear bumper?) and you might be able to kill some of the lift that way. Hard to measure, but you're going to have it wired up anyhow so a front and rear suspension ride height measurement gadget shouldn't be too hard to put together. Even a little camera and an indexed card attached to the springs would work, if you could find a smooth enough road to not have to filter out too much noise to get an average ride height. "easier" to do it in software but then you'd have to come up with a sensor and then filter the logged data. But as long as the car is going to be wired up with your new vehicle controller anyhow, why not put in ride height sensors for testing your aero mods?
I have six manometers to measure the pressure in various locations and will also tape the car for video to map the airflow over and around the body. I'll make calculated drag coefficients from the runs in both directions. Best I can do without a real wind tunnel. Should be good enough.
One thought I had, was to open up a channel between the seats, from under the car, which exhausts on the rear deck. I need to find a high pressure area under the car to open to the low pressure on the deck.
Yes, a rear diffuser might also be in order, if I can make it stealthy enough.
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I have six manometers to measure the pressure in various locations and will also tape the car for video to map the airflow over and around the body. I'll make calculated drag coefficients from the runs in both directions. Best I can do without a real wind tunnel. Should be good enough.
One thought I had, was to open up a channel between the seats, from under the car, which exhausts on the rear deck. I need to find a high pressure area under the car to open to the low pressure on the deck.
Yes, a rear diffuser might also be in order, if I can make it stealthy enough.
I'm not 100% sure what most diffusers are intended to do, but if you want underbody airflow to direct upwards you need it to stick to the surface longer That's one reason why those little trick vertical strips (can't remember what they're called) at the trailing edge of a spoiler wing work so darn well, because they ensure the airflow doesn't curve back down, sort of the opposite of what vortex generators would do. A strip of tiny vortex generators (either angled edge-mounted plates extending out of the surface airflow boundary layer or low profile wedges that energize just the boundary layer) might do the trick better than a traditional diffuser. You could measure the exit airflow direction with some bits of yarn taped to the back of the car, if you don't go all the way and measure actual downforce with either a pressure sensor or something to gauge ride height (spring compression as speed increases).
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I'm not 100% sure what most diffusers are intended to do, but if you want underbody airflow to direct upwards you need it to stick to the surface longer. A strip of tiny vortex generators might do the trick better than a traditional diffuser. You could measure the exit airflow direction with some bits of yarn taped to the back of the car, if you don't go all the way and measure actual downforce with either a pressure sensor or something to gauge ride height (spring compression as speed increases).
The diffusers help shape a laminar flow from under the car and pull the air up as it leaves the rear. It does hold the air a bit longer than the standard rear end does. Yes, vortex generators might have to be involved as well. A lot of that design will depend on the actual flow. Yes, lots of yarn/paper strips are involved.
Once I get the manometers placed, I'll have a better idea where the various pressure points are and then can formulate a plan of attack.
I know I am going to have to create a foil for the top of the windshield to release the pressure as it curls over the windshield. I have an idea for that basic design already. Just need to test the shapes.
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Don't take this the wrong way, but a Miata and a cobra share the same basic roadster shape... There was a shop trying for years to put together a 200 mph Miata and they were pretty much foiled by aerodynamics. You just can't make a car shaped like a roadster go that fast without serious aero problems.
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Don't take this the wrong way, but a Miata and a cobra share the same basic roadster shape... There was a shop trying for years to put together a 200 mph Miata and they were pretty much foiled by aerodynamics. You just can't make a car shaped like a roadster go that fast without serious aero problems.
I agree. There is a limit to what can be done, but the Cobra has a lot of room for improvement. It has always been an aerodynamic brick.
Most of what I want to accomplish to to help make the cockpit a bit more civil. I do not see myself needing to go faster than 180MPH, but if I do want to go that fast, I want to know the car is going to stick to the road.
You are absolutely right there is only so much you can do, without an extreme violation of the basic design.
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I may be mistaken but I think for a diffuser to really work well, the airflow under the car has to be managed and kept smooth the whole way from front to rear. You don't have any laminar flow to work with under a car that doesn't have managed airflow front to back. Since you're building from a kit you may be able to do that but you'll need to add removable underbody panels from the front air dam to the diffuser, and figure out how to eject radiator/engine bay airflow out the sides or top.
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I am placing a full length body pan under the car and a stealthy air dam around the front and along the sides (behind the side pipes).
Yes, I have to start from the front and manage the air flow all the way to the rear to have any chance of making a dent in the brick, that is the Cobra.
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It sounds like you have some good ideas on making the cockpit livable. I recall one of the euro roadsters would pop up a screened panel behind the cockpit above a certain speed, and apparently it almost completely eliminated buffeting up to high freeway speeds. I've seen various convertibles with what looks like screen door mesh between the front seat headrests...
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I am placing a full length body pan under the car and a stealthy air dam around the front and along the sides (behind the side pipes).
Yes, I have to start from the front and manage the air flow all the way to the rear to have any chance of making a dent in the brick, that is the Cobra.
I think your advantage is that you're not going to have to be paranoid about trading downforce for overall drag. Race car designers can't just go nutso keeping the car planted because it'll drop their top speed. If you lose a few top end mph in your cobra as a result of making it stick to the ground, you've probably still met your design objective.
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It sounds like you have some good ideas on making the cockpit livable. I recall one of the euro roadsters would pop up a screened panel behind the cockpit above a certain speed, and apparently it almost completely eliminated buffeting up to high freeway speeds. I've seen various convertibles with what looks like screen door mesh between the front seat headrests...
That is popular to do and does work. Many of the Cobra owners place a fixed piece of acrylic, attached to the roll bar, for that function.
I am going to try and get the ari flow as smooth as I can, as it moves around the windshield. If I can manage that, it will go a long way in reducing the buffeting and if I can find the points to move air from a high pressure area to the low one on the rear deck, I might just be able to create a near laminar flow over the top of the car.
Heck, it's a goal. Might not be attainable, but it cannot get worse than it is. :)
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Another issue with the 11s had were number 8 cylinder popping when folks would add a mild power adding tune to the car. I have read several instances where 11 owners had their engine go kaput and Ford wouldn't honor warranty since the car had an aftermarket tune. Ford seems to have figured it out for the last three years though.. I haven't read too many instances of engine failure.
When I bought my 2010, I was berated by several for not waiting a few months to get a coyote powered Mustang. I didn't let my decision nor the picking bother me after reading about all those failures. My little 4.6 has 57K on it putting 596 measured HP at the fly wheel. Tough little motor.
Just ordered Steeda LCAs (upper and lower), Koni shocks/struts, Hurst shifter, 410 gears and a new diff. I wore out the factory diff so the car doesn't "really" have posi-traction right now :lol :aok
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my understanding was that it was the computer strategy that the tuners didn't understand. thus, when one would tune a coyote using something that worked on a 4.6 liter...since the coyotes computer strategy was different, it tended to run the rear cylinders lean, and too hot. #8 was the most susceptible. i thought that went for the 012-present too, but i could be wrong.......
and no....there's not a dam thing wrong with a 4.6 liter, 'cept the fact that ford tanked it from the factory. they easily could've made that engine do what the coyotes do now. stock that is. they take up a lot of room, but i like the ford cammers. a LOT.
i almost missed the 4.10 gear......don't do it. you'll regret it the first time on the highway. you can drop a 3.73 in there, which'll wake her up a LOT off the line, but you'll still have decent top end for those euro-cars.
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Autobahn flier?
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Nice ride Rich. I don't have to tell you what that '66 Stang is worth now.
I really want a '67 fastback to restore. I like a '68 too. The '69s were nice but they started to get a bit bloated
I know. It makes me want to cry. Girls absolutely loved that car. I'll never forget that blue and white vinyl interior with the ponies on it. And it was a quick little son of a gun, being light with a great little engine it it. I had a '67 Fairlane too with the same .289, same paint, I drove it back cross country after I finished my USAF time. Damn nice little car.
I think the '66s and '68s were the best looking early stangs. A buddy had a "Bullit" fastback, exact same color, and another buddy had a regular '68. http://themustangsource.com/timeline/67-68/68/bullitt/
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I think going from a 3.31:1 to 4.11:1 is not a good idea for Autobahn bashing. A good compromise would be a 3.5x:1, if you could also attach a 6 speed to it. That should effectively get you off the line better, through the mid range faster and still not compromise the top end.
I am dropping a 3.73 in my Cobra backed with the tall 6 speed Tremec. The Cobra top speed is not limited by horsepower, just the design itself. It likes to lift the rear end at over 180MPH.
3.92 rear end in mine matched with a tremec 6060 6 speed. My SRT got 25.6 mpg traveling to Virginia last fall and my SRT only had 1500 miles on it beginning the trip.
The newer Chargers and Challengers are making more HP per cu. in then did the old ones made in the 60s and early 70s. They are also quicker in the quarter mile with air, cruise etc.
that come with them not to mention heavier. The newer ones also handle much better then the old ones did. And they actually stop now! I know. I owned and drove them starting in 1965.
Dodge engineering is top notch. Every time I take mine to a show or cruise....first question "have a HEMI in it?" HEMI says it all. Not many sit around the campfire with a group
of old car guys and talk about the legendary coyote do they. They all are nice. I've owned them all from Z28 Camaros to TransAMs. Roadrunner etc. Raced 426 HEMIs also back
in the day. They were great when you had the throttle to the wall. But loaded up and stalled oft times when stopped. 440 clearly imho best road power plant for a MOPAR then.
Track.....HEMI all day. If you've noticed that still is true today.
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They were great when you had the throttle to the wall. But loaded up and stalled oft times when stopped. 440 clearly imho best road power plant for a MOPAR then.
Track.....HEMI all day. Why you think that many FORD and Chevy guys went MOPAR then. They wanted to win. Super Stock and FX was where the fun was then.
Gospel.
If you ordered a Hemi...your warranty ended at the firewall.
440 was the street choice for the big 4 Mopars.
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No doubt the newer engines, from any company, are going to be more fuel efficient. Fuel injection made a lot of that possible.
That said, I do know some 550HP+ Cobra owners who get over 25MPG in their cars. They are fuel injected with electronic ignition systems. Lots of good stuff available, for those old engines, to make them far more efficient than they were in the 60's.
I loved my Road Runner. Sweetest sounding car I have ever owned. Those engines were just right. Heck, my Road Runner got over 20MPG with the six pack setup and would still win at the track.
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I loved my Road Runner.
If I had a dollar for everytime I have said that over the years, Roy...
...I'd be building a Cobra too. ;)
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No doubt the newer engines, from any company, are going to be more fuel efficient. Fuel injection made a lot of that possible.
That said, I do know some 550HP+ Cobra owners who get over 25MPG in their cars. They are fuel injected with electronic ignition systems. Lots of good stuff available, for those old engines, to make them far more efficient than they were in the 60's.
I loved my Road Runner. Sweetest sounding car I have ever owned. Those engines were just right. Heck, my Road Runner got over 20MPG with the six pack setup and would still win at the track.
Skuzzy saw a show on velocity a few nights ago watching a guy adjust 8 Strombergs flawlessly without using any equipment but the back of his fingers and the sound of the engine.
Needless to say my jaw hit the floor. Seemed almost impossible to me.
And....................... my favorite Cobra of all time the Daytona. Only 6 built. Great looking and was very fast. Just ask Enzo :aok
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Skuzzy saw a show on velocity a few nights ago watching a guy adjust 8 Strombergs flawlessly without using any equipment but the back of his fingers and the sound of the engine.
Needless to say my jaw hit the floor. Seemed almost impossible to me.
Holy potatoes! No way! Those things were hard to get right with all the equipment! LOL!
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Holy potatoes! No way! Those things were hard to get right with all the equipment! LOL!
It's true! They did a 32 Ford all steel. Did not get his real name but they called him the Professor.
Watching that his nickname is appropriate.
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That would be very impressive to watch.
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Autobahn flier?
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ok. you win. :aok
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To pry the HEMI SRT Challenger from my hands would take a special car.
That one car is the Cobra Daytona. Last one I saw go at auction (only 6 made) went for 7.25 million.
I believe 3 or 4 of them are in the US. The other two in Europe I believe.
Carroll Shelby came a long way from an AC with a 260 cu. in. Ford in it to the later Shelby's.
In my estimation if not the greatest, one of the top 5 developers of all time.
Again....I just love saying this...just ask Enzo.
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The Daytona is my favorite too over the Cobras, probably because Cobras are everywhere at carshows.
6 if you do not include this one :
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I'm fortunate enough to live 3 miles away from this one:
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I get to drool on it monthly, and once to sit in it :pray.
This replica from SAAC38 was an attention getter :O even if not my style:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT14YtQXEe0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT14YtQXEe0)
Got to chat around with a borred Peter Brock there too. Why did you pick a Daytona? Because it's the most beautifull car in the world. :lol
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Frenchy I am envious! Most beautiful of all the Shelby's imho and very fast.
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Well ... come visit in Salt Lake City foo :D
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The Daytona is my favorite too over the Cobras, probably because Cobras are everywhere at carshows.
6 if you do not include this one :
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I'm fortunate enough to live 3 miles away from this one:
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I get to drool on it monthly, and once to sit in it :pray.
This replica from SAAC38 was an attention getter :O even if not my style:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT14YtQXEe0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT14YtQXEe0)
Got to chat around with a borred Peter Brock there too. Why did you pick a Daytona? Because it's the most beautifull car in the world. :lol
Factory 5 Daytona Coupe replicas are stunning. The modern 5.0 Ford Coyote motor is an option. 440 hp in a car this light is impressive, with good reliability and fuel economy. Of course, a hot 289 is the historic set-up.
https://www.factoryfive.com/kits/type-65-coupe/ (https://www.factoryfive.com/kits/type-65-coupe/)
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I heard good and bad from F5, the 'benchmark' is http://www.superformance.com/ (http://www.superformance.com/). But that's not the same price.
I almost bought the F5 kit for the daytona, but decided stand by for RCR 330 P4 : http://www.race-car-replicas.com/ (http://www.race-car-replicas.com/)
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I loved my Road Runner. Sweetest sounding car I have ever owned. Those engines were just right. Heck, my Road Runner got over 20MPG with the six pack setup and would still win at the track.
My father in law had to sell his 69 Roadrunner piece by piece when my wife was born......needed to pay the hospital bills for her birth :(
To the day he died i told him he got the raw end of the deal :lol
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years ago, there was an old guy running around in a 68? or 69 coronet. if i recall, it was 440 powered. now me being the ford nut that i am.......i tried many many times to buy that thing from that old coot. he never would sell it.
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We all know it...those of us who owned them or were around them.
There was never and has never been since...anything produced by man or nature on this good earth that sounds like...
...a classic big block mopar. Even the standard 383 had it.
A sound...how do you explain it...
well at idle it was saying, "I am going to eat your face off".
There's a reason those cars have the following and command the coin they still do today. Those of us who experienced them...know that feeling that few other makes and models have delivered since.
:rock
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Had this buddy in HS many moons ago. He was the luckiest kid IMO. My dad bought me a little Mazda SE5 pickup truck when I turned 16 and I know I was fortunate. But this guy gets a 1971 Dodge Demon with a 340. The car was immaculate and his dad added a bunch of go mods like headers, aftermarket cams, MSD ignition, etc.. The point is, that little small block sounded mean. I agree, a big block is a whole nuther chapter though.
His car looked just like this but was orange with black stripes
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We all know it...those of us who owned them or were around them.
There was never and has never been since...anything produced by man or nature on this good earth that sounds like...
...a classic big block mopar. Even the standard 383 had it.
A sound...how do you explain it...
well at idle it was saying, "I am going to eat your face off".
There's a reason those cars have the following and command the coin they still do today. Those of us who experienced them...know that feeling that few other makes and models have delivered since.
:rock
Amen
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Anyone who has never heard this sound we speak of...often called the symphony of destruction...please...enligh ten yourself and watch this very quick vid of my blue Charger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI6k9cCD35Q
WARNING: Exposing your senses to these sounds could be damaging to ones well being. financial stability and/or marital status.
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That is gorgeous Stampf :old:
Sounded like my XJR when I had the mufflers off :old:
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Those old Mopar big blocks had the sweetest exhaust note of any engine ever made.
As cool as my Cobra is going to be, it will never sound as good as an old Mopar big block.
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Remember when you knew a MOPAR was nearby just by hearing the starter engage?
Sounds great Stampf.
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Remember when you knew a MOPAR was nearby just by hearing the starter engage?
Sounds great Stampf.
That laughing noise, which preceded a thunderous cacophony of deep thumps, which would reach into your soul and make you shiver with excitement!
Oh yeah. I remember it well.
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I can't buy that sound...for my Firebird. And ty all.
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That laughing noise, which preceded a thunderous cacophony of deep thumps, which would reach into your soul and make you shiver with excitement!
Oh yeah. I remember it well.
Popularly known as "All Hell breaking Loose"
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I can't buy that sound...for my Firebird. And ty all.
Sure you can! Make a tape loop of the 383,throw a killer sound system in the bird and leave the motor off! :devil
I agree that sound of the lumpy idle that barely wants to stay running is something you have to hear for yourself!
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PS: Once was a 340 challenger TA throw a rod,made a cool dent in the hood.... :devil
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That laughing noise, which preceded a thunderous cacophony of deep thumps, which would reach into your soul and make you shiver with excitement!
Oh yeah. I remember it well.
I remember it too. In fact I heard it just the other day. :D
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Back when my Dad had his auto parts store, there was an A&W drive in attached to the end of his building. He used to sponsor all kinds of give aways there. If you were a "hot rodder" it was the place to be. The entire block would be blocked off for regular traffic, on Friday nights.
At the end of the evening, all the Mopar guys would start their cars. The Ford/Chevy/AMC guys would just sit there and wait for them to leave before starting their cars to leave. The most prolific comment would be, "Damn, I wish I could get that sound into my car!"
It was a sad day when A&W closed it down and sold it to 7-11. The last Friday night (circa May 1969) hundreds of cars flooded the area from all over South Texas. Dad has an album with every car and driver there that night. The grand prize, for that night? A brand new 426 Hemi engine with 4 speed attached.
Damn, I miss those days.
When Dad retired, he sold the store. It ended up in a developers hands. There is an empty lot, where once stood a testament to the love of the American automobile.
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And, an absence of great root beer in the neighborhood. :bhead
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And, an absence of great root beer in the neighborhood. :bhead
No kidding. It was the best. Back then the mugs were iced as well. Man that was goooood root beer!
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No kidding. It was the best. Back then the mugs were iced as well. Man that was goooood root beer!
It sure was,I still have a window tray that..... well she didnt come and take it away... honest!
Skuzzy,as a kid my Dad had a resturant,motel and garage,we had a single bay but it had a hoist! Guess who was everybodies best friend when oil change times came around..... :devil One advantage I had was I knew where and when all the races were going to be.
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It sure was,I still have a window tray that..... well she didnt come and take it away... honest!
Skuzzy,as a kid my Dad had a resturant,motel and garage,we had a single bay but it had a hoist! Guess who was everybodies best friend when oil change times came around..... :devil One advantage I had was I knew where and when all the races were going to be.
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Gotta love that. Dad's parts store was THE hot rod hangout back in the day. Any racer who came to town always stopped by that store. Dad supplied every hot rod part available in those days and he staffed the store with really talented people.
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Gotta love that. Dad's parts store was THE hot rod hangout back in the day. Any racer who came to town always stopped by that store. Dad supplied every hot rod part available in those days and he staffed the store with really talented people.
Skuzzy, I don't have a story that relates to that but I appreciate you sharing it. <S>
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No kidding. It was the best. Back then the mugs were iced as well. Man that was goooood root beer!
None better than that old frosty mug.
We were double dating in my friends 56 buick. We drove through krystal(Back then was a park an eat in your car place) with the old Buick lopping like it had a high lift cam. Windows down. My friends GF, yelled out, "Push in the damn choke."
We all laughed till we nearly cried.
My friend slid down in the seat and eased out the back. He married that girl. The he bought one of the first Road Runners.
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The A&W in our location closed down at the end of 2011. It was the longest running cruise in the area on Friday nights. We had the super nats
here at the canfield fairgrounds. The A&W was our hangout and anyone else who attended the super nats. The A&W was demolished and a car parts
national chain took its place. Many pieces of memorabilia were sold at auction at that A&W. To us older car guys a part of History was destroyed.
We still see the owner of the A&W. He's a great guy. All he wanted to do was retire. That A&W will be a part of us old Coots for ever.
Probably hard for some to understand why we feel that way. I guess it would be hard to explain. There was a lot of rubber laid on the road
in front of that A&W. I dunno....A&Ws seemed to be hangouts for us car guys. They drew great crowds and great cars.
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I both miss and don't miss the big V8s of my childhood but I still hoard a merlin II 9.4 liter big block that lurks in a friend's basement waiting for the day and am contemplating getting a 6 liter LS engine/auto transmission deal since a friend is getting them for around 1500 bucks with engine management harness intact.
Hopefully I can score one for my last remaining american iron vehicle.
Yes, those are 255s front and back since the 295s won't fit on the wagons because of the skirted rear wheel arches.
Since work is slowing down on record attempts and customer vehicles, I am now also full time as a toyota technician.
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speaking of manometer data......
We used 8 channels of manometer data (sampled at various parts of the body and engine intakes) and 4 channels of ride height (AIM evo4 with smartycam) and a few channels of speed, G loading, and gps speed vs wheel speed on the GT in addition to the datalogging capabilities of the Big stuff 3 engine management system.
The ride height data was especially important in setting up the car's suspension and aero for speeds up to 300mph and the information allowed us to be the only ford GT running standing mile races that lacks the front splitter and the drag it brings.
There is a device called the IO8 and a newer one with more channels which you can plug into a laptop to give you sweet data from anything from throttle position sensor to thermocouple sensing.
(http://www.dlpdesign.com/usb/images/io8a.jpg)
I use it with nistune on my Infiniti M30/nissan lepoard that runs a 1981 280zx turbo inline six instead of the stock v6 and it gives a few extra channels of data acquisition in addition to the tons of data available from the ecu.
It shows up in a separate box divided into six segments since two are automatically for wideband information.
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The A&W in our location closed down at the end of 2011. It was the longest running cruise in the area on Friday nights. We had the super nats
here at the canfield fairgrounds. The A&W was our hangout and anyone else who attended the super nats. The A&W was demolished and a car parts
national chain took its place. Many pieces of memorabilia were sold at auction at that A&W. To us older car guys a part of History was destroyed.
We still see the owner of the A&W. He's a great guy. All he wanted to do was retire. That A&W will be a part of us old Coots for ever.
Probably hard for some to understand why we feel that way. I guess it would be hard to explain. There was a lot of rubber laid on the road
in front of that A&W. I dunno....A&Ws seemed to be hangouts for us car guys. They drew great crowds and great cars.
You are right. Most people do not understand it.
I hate seeing this part of Americana die.
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You are right. Most people do not understand it.
I hate seeing this part of Americana die.
A&W is still doing ok up here in Canukville,every Sunday from May till Sept. they still have drive and shines at the local A&W here! :aok The wife and I go often for a small rootbeer and a quick look at the cars.
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A&W is still doing ok up here in Canukville,every Sunday from May till Sept. they still have drive and shines at the local A&W here! :aok The wife and I go often for a small rootbeer and a quick look at the cars.
:salute
Their Root Beer Floats were killer! The closest A&W to us in the Youngstown area is in Ravenna. Bout an hour away.
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I both miss and don't miss the big V8s of my childhood but I still hoard a merlin II 9.4 liter big block that lurks in a friend's basement waiting for the day and am contemplating getting a 6 liter LS engine/auto transmission deal since a friend is getting them for around 1500 bucks with engine management harness intact.
Hopefully I can score one for my last remaining american iron vehicle.
Yes, those are 255s front and back since the 295s won't fit on the wagons because of the skirted rear wheel arches.
Since work is slowing down on record attempts and customer vehicles, I am now also full time as a toyota technician.
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3706/11294219324_5823946324_b.jpg)
speaking of manometer data......
We used 8 channels of manometer data (sampled at various parts of the body and engine intakes) and 4 channels of ride height (AIM evo4 with smartycam) and a few channels of speed, G loading, and gps speed vs wheel speed on the GT in addition to the datalogging capabilities of the Big stuff 3 engine management system.
The ride height data was especially important in setting up the car's suspension and aero for speeds up to 300mph and the information allowed us to be the only ford GT running standing mile races that lacks the front splitter and the drag it brings.
There is a device called the IO8 and a newer one with more channels which you can plug into a laptop to give you sweet data from anything from throttle position sensor to thermocouple sensing.
(http://www.dlpdesign.com/usb/images/io8a.jpg)
I use it with nistune on my Infiniti M30/nissan lepoard that runs a 1981 280zx turbo inline six instead of the stock v6 and it gives a few extra channels of data acquisition in addition to the tons of data available from the ecu.
It shows up in a separate box divided into six segments since two are automatically for wideband information.
(http://www.chaz.yellowfoot.org/images/Screenshot0.91122a.jpg)
i've always liked that body style, along with the 4door sedan of the same era. there's a guy buying a car from one of my customers that's driving one. i might see if i can get it for a couple hundred off of him. that could be a fun project car
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nice MOPARs.....
I was lucky enough to sit in and start a 440 super commando Mint numbers matching...70 Superbird.....
wanna talk about a say what moment........ :O the guy who owned the Superbird...sold it...to get a 71 Hemi cuda.....clone.....was a 318 car....why.....why....why.... ..I mean ya the 71 Cuda is a sick car and my personal favorite....but a clone for a numbers matching Superbird..... :headscratch:
what a sound that 440 had....I also have a buddy that owned a 440 74 cuda that I did drive...was sick....owning my Challenger was extremely fun.... wish I had known what they would be worth down the road.......
the 340 in my challenger had the same sound,as the big blocks... just not quite as "throaty".
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I both miss and don't miss the big V8s of my childhood but I still hoard a merlin II 9.4 liter big block that lurks in a friend's basement waiting for the day and am contemplating getting a 6 liter LS engine/auto transmission deal since a friend is getting them for around 1500 bucks with engine management harness intact.
Hopefully I can score one for my last remaining american iron vehicle.
Yes, those are 255s front and back since the 295s won't fit on the wagons because of the skirted rear wheel arches.
Since work is slowing down on record attempts and customer vehicles, I am now also full time as a toyota technician.
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3706/11294219324_5823946324_b.jpg)
speaking of manometer data......
We used 8 channels of manometer data (sampled at various parts of the body and engine intakes) and 4 channels of ride height (AIM evo4 with smartycam) and a few channels of speed, G loading, and gps speed vs wheel speed on the GT in addition to the datalogging capabilities of the Big stuff 3 engine management system.
The ride height data was especially important in setting up the car's suspension and aero for speeds up to 300mph and the information allowed us to be the only ford GT running standing mile races that lacks the front splitter and the drag it brings.
There is a device called the IO8 and a newer one with more channels which you can plug into a laptop to give you sweet data from anything from throttle position sensor to thermocouple sensing.
(http://www.dlpdesign.com/usb/images/io8a.jpg)
I use it with nistune on my Infiniti M30/nissan lepoard that runs a 1981 280zx turbo inline six instead of the stock v6 and it gives a few extra channels of data acquisition in addition to the tons of data available from the ecu.
It shows up in a separate box divided into six segments since two are automatically for wideband information.
(http://www.chaz.yellowfoot.org/images/Screenshot0.91122a.jpg)
Saw that and instantly thought of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcRbviyMPcU
(Some NSFW language is possible in the vid.)